ICE's Mass Arrests Ensnare U.S. Citizens and Show No Signs of Stopping
The case of Leo Garcia Venegas, a U.S. citizen arrested twice by immigration enforcement, demonstrates the problem with the government's current strategy.
The Trump administration's emphasis on immigration enforcement is sparking protests across the country. It has also caused disagreement among Republicans and, as covered by Reason's Autumn Billings, within the executive branch between those who want to target criminals and officials who are more interested in driving up the numbers of deportations. Unfortunately, the hardline faction's apparent victory could result in more botched arrests, such as that of U.S. citizen Leo Garcia Venegas, who was detained twice and has now filed a federal lawsuit over his mistreatment.
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Detained for Working in the Country of His Birth
"Leo is an American citizen who works in the construction industry in southern Alabama," according to a motion for a preliminary injunction against construction workplace raids filed in the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Alabama by Venegas with the support of the Institute for Justice (I.J.). "In early 2025, federal immigration officers started raiding private construction sites across the region. In May, Leo was working on a fenced-in private site posted with a No Trespassing sign when officers stormed in unannounced, detained him and all other Latino workers, dismissed his REAL ID as fake, and kept him handcuffed for nearly an hour. Just three weeks later, officers walked right into a home in which Leo was working, ordered him out, told him his REAL ID could be fake, and marched him out of the development before they finally acknowledged that Leo is a citizen." (Reason's C.J. Ciaramella reported on Venegas' case earlier this month.)
Venegas was born in Florida and now lives in Alabama, where he has worked in construction since graduating from high school in 2019. According to the filing, on May 21, Venegas was working on a construction site when five federal agents jumped over the fence. The officers "ran past the four non-Latino workers and went straight for Leo's crew, all of whom were Latino."
When two officers forced Venegas's undocumented brother to the ground, Venegas "took out his phone, started recording, and inched closer. Leo got about 25 feet from his brother before a masked officer stepped into Leo's way. When Leo widened his path to keep his camera trained on his brother, the officer declared, 'You're making this more complicated than you want to.' Then, without asking Leo any questions, the officer grabbed Leo by the arm and started forcing him to the ground."
Backed by the non-Latino workers, who protested the feds' actions (one yelling, "He's not even doing nothing wrong—what the fuck?"), Venegas asserted his citizenship and offered his REAL ID-compliant driver's license as proof.
The feds describe the situation a little differently. They insist that "during a targeted worksite operation, Garcia Venegas attempted to obstruct and prevent the lawful arrest of an illegal alien. He physically got in between agents and the subject they were attempting to arrest and refused to comply with numerous verbal commands."
Take the Feds' Story With a Grain of Salt
But this is the sort of claim that law-enforcement officers frequently make when recorded—or they do worse. A 2021 Miami Beach law establishing 20-foot buffer zone members of the public were required to stay beyond when observing or recording arrests was suspended after a single month of enforcement. "Five officers were charged with battery after arresting two individuals under this ordinance," according to the ACLU of Florida. "In one case, an individual started recording police after he saw officers kicking a separate handcuffed person at a hotel. The officers then began to punch the man who was filming and arrested him for interfering."
So, any claim that Venegas "attempted to obstruct and prevent" a lawful arrest should be taken with a grain of salt. As the U.S. Justice Department has conceded, "the First Amendment protects the rights of private citizens to record police officers during the public discharge of their duties." Pointing a phone in the direction of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) officers cuffing your brother is neither obstruction nor an arrestable offense.
Officers initially insisted Venegas's supposedly "secure," REAL ID-compliant license was fake but finally released him after confirming his Social Security number.
On June 12, while working alone at a house under construction, Venegas was again detained by officers who refused to accept the authenticity of his REAL ID. He was released after they eventually confirmed his lawful status.
Mass Arrests Bring a Host of Abuses
Venegas isn't the only U.S. citizen to run afoul of the increased emphasis on immigration enforcement. Just days ago, according to 16-year-old Arnoldo Bazan, ICE officers in an unmarked car and without uniform insignia beat and choked him in Houston. He was finally released but his father was deported.
Two weeks ago, ProPublica reported it had found more than 170 cases of "agents holding citizens against their will, whether during immigration raids or protests." In some cases, U.S. citizens were initially accused of assaulting or impeding officers, but charges were rarely brought, suggesting there was little substance to the accusations. "Our count found a handful of citizens have pleaded guilty, mostly to misdemeanors."
In one case, "agents grabbed and handcuffed a woman on her way to work who was caught up in a chaotic raid on street vendors." She was released without charges after two days.
ICE agents even managed to accidentally detain a U.S. marshal in Tucson.
According to Fox News, the dispute within the administration over the direction of immigration enforcement is between "Border Czar Tom Homan and ICE Director Todd Lyons, who have advocated focusing on criminal aliens and those with final deportation orders" and "DHS Secretary Kristi Noem, senior adviser Corey Lewandowski and Border Patrol Commander Greg Bovino, who have pushed for a broader and more aggressive approach, targeting anyone in the U.S. illegally to boost deportation numbers."
The problem with emphasizing mass arrests without warrants of supposedly foreign-looking people over targeted actions is that the government doesn't just drive up the numbers; it scoops up many people who have every right to be where they are and do what they're doing without being molested by agents of the state.
"That's all unconstitutional. And we've asked the court to bring that practice to an end," comments I.J. Attorney Jared McClain.
If Venegas wins his case, he won't be the only one to benefit from imposing a little restraint on the federal government.
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There really isn't much disagreement on the right. If anything there is the acknowledgement that time is necessary for industries to adjust and fill the positions with American labor.
These actions were necessitated by the sort of open borders policies Reason advocates for. You don't get to break the system then cry foul when someone tries cleaning it up.
The sob stories chosen here are full of holes and rely on one-sided claims and emotionally manipulative language to sell the reader on a violation. This destroys their credibility and if anything hardens people into supporting actual violations in order to eliminate the problems they have created.
Humans are an invasive species EVERYWHERE except Africa!!! ALL of the illegal sub-humans-haters should go BACK to Africa, where they came from! BE AN EXAMPLE TO US ALL AND SELF-DEPORT!
If anything there is the acknowledgement that time is necessary for industries to adjust and fill the positions with American labor from bears, raccoons, moose, deer, elk, butterflies, and most of all, from endangered Greater Southern Yellow-Bellied Slime Toads!
Europeans went back to Africa and people called it colonialism and apartheid.
So that makes violating the rights of American citizens ok?
This isn’t “cleaning up the system.” This is a bunch of thugs harassing American citizens and denying their rights, and you people cheering it on because you love the show. What a tough guy right?
It’s really as simple as having the guy responsible for doing immigration enforcement not be, unlike as TRUMP HIMSELF SAID. a virulent racist.
By all means arrest illegal immigrant criminals. The article, in case you didn’t read it, is about citizens. And if ICE can genuinely not tell the difference then no amount of issues illegal immigrants bring is worth denying Americans their rights.
And if you don’t believe that, then with all due respect, ICE should be arresting you. You are un-American and a traitor.
Everything yall accuse the left of y’all do much worse. Trump people complain about the 1st amendment then throw a pissy fit because of something Jimmy Kimmel said. Trump people complain about virtue signaling while doing everything purely to maximize clicks on twitter while causing tremendous damage. It’s all performative. It’s all stupid.
It’s really as simple as having the guy responsible for doing immigration enforcement not be, unlike as TRUMP HIMSELF SAID. a virulent racist.
Anytime any whiny gasbag says "racist" you've lost all credibility. Nothing you say is serious or worth considering. Your kind are children and need to be sat at the small table.
You're right. There's no such thing as racism. Why, the entire concept of racism was a made-up invention of the "woke left". I know this because MLK Jr. said so.
Shut up Nazi.
Fuck off fascist.
Not what he said you pinko blob. What he is saying is that racism is a catch all accusation made nonsensically from treasonous democrat filth, like you. So much ho so that it’s just background noise and become meaningless.
The irony being that nearly all real racism come from your kind.
The Lefts 'racism cries' are nothing but Leftard Self-Projection.
Throughout all of history....
MLK Jr. was against (let me say this loudly) DEMOCRATS Jim Crow Laws of 1880.
Don't believe it. See the US party map in 1880.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1880_United_States_presidential_election
Jesus Christ you’re such a snowflake. Again being the worst imitation of what you accuse others of.
Trump, regarding Steven Miller: “if it was up to Mr. Miller there would be 100 million people in this country, and they would all look like Steven Miller”
The article above discusses how citizens were arrested because they looked Mexican. What exactly would you call that? Using race as a proxy for whether you are illegal, which is relatively simple to look up? That’s not discriminating on the basis of race? That’s not racism?
If most of the illegals were Swiss, ICE would be looking more closely at tall, pale blonde people. But they’re not.
Please tell me that you understand that.
I think they should be arrested people because they are illegal, not because of their race. And if they do use race as a proxy they are careful to not do this shit where citizens get arrested, predominantly Mexican American, and if they do, yes, that is racist.
People who did nothing wrong are unfairly judged because of their race. That is wrong.
Most of the illegals are from central and South America. What do you think they look like?
You’re the kind of idiot that kept screaming “racial profiling!” until TSA started strip searching 90 year old grandmothers in wheelchairs at airports.
Ok, to be clear, you are ok with arresting innocent people and detaining them in some cases for weeks just because they happen to look like other people who are criminals?
You are ok with that???
Yeah, that’s racism man. I don’t know what else to tell you. Your targeting people for no other reason than they’re race.
It doesn’t ****ing matter if a majority of illegal immigrants are Central American. It. Does. Not. Matter. There is a responbility to arrest those who are here illegally and not violate the rights of American citizens just they happen to look a certain way.
If they were targeting people because they are tall and white, to the point where those people get arrested disproportionately despite having done nothing wrong, that is racist yes. And a violation of their rights.
Nope. Again, you’re the kind of idiot that has caused many jurisdictions not to list racial characteristics in crime reports.
So that makes violating the rights of American citizens ok?
They didn't violate the rights of an American citizen. Reason is copypasta-ing their previous lie.
Police are allowed to detain you under reasonable suspicion (or less) of a crime and ask for ID. What Constitutes reasonable suspicion (or 'articulable concern' or 'founded reason' varies from state to state, but nowhere are police unable to stop people and ask. The idea otherwise, if not oxymoronically retarded, is pretty opposed to the last 5,000 yrs. of human interaction and property ownership and pretty anti-human.
This has always been the "Am I being detained?" point. If the answer is "No." you don't have to oblige them. If the answer is "Yes." They have to articulate a reason or suspicion why.
The solution had been to enforce these laws at the border, where inequality before the law meets being literally outside the law, but Reason and illegal immigration advocates/legal immigration opponents like them are trying to force a two-tiered system of justice such that citizens are subject to the laws and immigrants are not.
It would be pretty irresponsible of me to tell someone that it was OK to make a right turn on red when it was against the law even if I disagreed with the law but, as indicated, Reason doesn't give a shit who they hurt or help, as long as they trumpet the party message.
In the future, President AOC will instruct law enforcement to "detain" everyone wearing a MAGA hat, under an 'articulable concern' of something or other. But mad.casual will not complain, because hey, police are allowed to do that. Frankly, it would be WRONG for the police NOT to do that, because the alternative is to create a two-tiered system of justice where the MAGA-hat-wearing scofflaws get off scot-free with whatever crime that they were going to commit. Right?
Are there millions of people who wear MAGA hats that are illegals? If not, then fuck off you morbidly obese sea lioning pederast.
You also failed to address the validity of stopping motorists if they have bears coming out of their trunks. Care to ‘weigh in’ on that Fatfuck?
Well there are videos of people in MAGA hats storming the capitol which seems bad so it’s only natural to assume everyone wearing those hats should be arrested because they might be insurrectionist.
Do y’all not hear yourself or …?
Oh they hear themselves. And they regard themselves as superior human beings compared to those dirty filthy illegals. They are white God-fearing patriotic Americans so to them it is a completely cost-free position for them to advocate for the police to stop every brown person and check their papers. THEY won't ever get stopped, so why would they NOT advocate for it? Right?
Stop samefagging, you morbidly obese blob of pedophile.
Nope. It was a few hundred out of over a hundred thousand people. There are tens of millions of illegals that are of one overall ethnicity.
Are there millions of people who wear MAGA hats that are illegals?
I can't see what's behind the gray box but it's the same, dishonest shifting of the goalposts and then pretending the other team is the one that cheated.
Virtually everybody who supported the Jan. 6th rioters agreed that charges of trespassing, vandalism, and destruction of property would've/could've been appropriate. Removing people from the scene was/would have been completely acceptable. The issue was that people were detained for weeks, months, and longer, had their effects searched, and some even killed, without probable cause.
The fact that people don't get this idea for citizens within the borders only destroys their credibility when it comes to non-citizens outside our borders.
Virtually everybody who supported the Jan. 6th rioters agreed that charges of trespassing, vandalism, and destruction of property would've/could've been appropriate.
lol that's not even true anymore. You have PLENTY of people on you team who think that Jan. 6 was a false-flag operation by Antifa, or that they were "just tourists", or that Biden planted 274 FBI officers in the crowd to rile up the protesters (wtf).
Relevant:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2024/01/04/fbi-conspiracy-jan-6-attack-misinformation/
So no, the issue isn't just that some Jan. 6 prisoners may have been treated poorly. The much larger, and much more disturbing, issue is that lots of people don't think they should have been arrested AT ALL.
Detainment is not an arrest. This is what idiots keep trying to claim to get the emotional response you just gave.
Basically toyre saying no laws can ever be enforced because detainment has happened since 1776 as part of common law.
Basically youre arguing from emotional ignorance.
FTA:
Authoritarians like JesseBot try to gaslight us into thinking that this is just a "detainment". Yeah, sure, a two-day "detainment".
Authoritarians like Pedophile Jeff supported locking people in their homes, banning them from attending church services, and forcing experimental drugs on them.
Patriots like Jesse support using existing immigration laws to remove illegals.
Ah yes respond to every discussion with a straw man. You can’t actually believe this shit can you?
Jeffy, stop sockpuppeting. And you said all those things dozens of times over.
So I take it you’re fine being taken off the street and sent to a prison camp in Louisiana for a week until they figure out you’re actually a citizen or otherwise here legally? Because there are at least a dozen documented cases of that happening.
According to you that isn’t an arrest so it’s ok right?
I know it may sound exceedingly authoritarian to you, but you're allowed to believe whatever you want to believe in your own head.
Here in reality, (Ctrl+f 'Louisiana': 0 results) nobody, citizen or otherwise, was whimsically detained for a week in a Louisiana prison camp, twice, and it's a dishonest and malicious lie to conflate the two.
You may not like the words others use in reality, but just because you think things are different in your head doesn't mean they actually are or should be in reality.
Yeah ok there Demjeff.
OH, OH! A brand new TDS-addled slimy pile of lying shit concern-troll.
Fuck off and die, shitstain.
Dude, all due respect, you need mental help.
He doesn’t. Second isn’t a Marxist Democrat who believes there are 57 genders and that bringing tens of millions of illegals here and putting them on welfare is a good idea.
You do.
The sob stories chosen here are full of holes and rely on one-sided claims and emotionally manipulative language to sell the reader on a violation.
This is hilarious coming from your team, which constantly presents one-sided, emotionally manipulative accounts of immigrants behaving badly in order to justify the mass arrests that we are currently seeing. Exactly how many times has the name Laken Riley been mentioned around here? Exactly how many Haitian immigrants in Springfield were shown to have eaten cats?
You just don't like it when other people use your team's agitprop tactics against you. The past 10 years has shown that demagoguery works, that appeals to emotion and outrage are far more effective than appeals to facts and reason.
This is the tit-for-tat, prisoner's dilemma strategy in action. Don't like it? Then stop doing it.
The threat of illegalkind justifies these mass arrests
Nope. You’re just a massive Marxist hypocrite who wants open borders at all costs. We’re the good guys trying to fix your mess. So you lie and propagandize.
Case closed.
Now do an article for each US citizen and legal immigrant raped or murdered by an illegal alien raperugee.
Oh but Tuccille did ... "being molested by agents of the state".
Tuccille just changed the subjects before doing it.
What-ever excuse they have to make-up so the break-ins can continue.
The time to bitch about this was between 4.5 and 0.75 years ago. Instead Reason ignorantly supported unchecked immigration into a country loaded with socialist policies, encumbering its citizens.
Your license to complain is revoked.
^+1.
Reason had ample opportunity to complain when Biden was breaking the pipes causing the flood, and none of the writers here seemed at all concerned.
Now that someone's trying to drain the swamp (as it were), it's a trifle late.
Well look who all the sudden wants a competent federal government.
Given the tens of thousands of illegals already arrested the number of those picked up in error is very small. TV docudramas often portray those mistakenly arrested for murder, so to protect citizens from wrongful arrest should we stop trying to arrest murderers?
ICE is composed of humans and subject to human error. The issue only becomes serious if they refuse to admit mistakes made.
The issue only becomes serious if they refuse to admit mistakes made.
They're not admitting mistakes. When has ICE apologized for detaining the wrong person?
If they feel bad about it later, it’s ok!
They release them.
FTA:
This appears to be a lie. When are they going to apologize for this?
Honestly people on a libertarian website responding to repeated rights violations as “oh law enforcement officers are allowed to make mistakes.” Cmon man …
How would you feel if it was do? Do you believe in the constitution at all? The rights we have as people to be free?
And the response is always “Biden did X” who gives a shit? Biden isn’t the president anymore. People ought to defend things on their own merits.
Biden made a huge mess. Now we’re cleaning it up. Which is also messy.
Do you believe in the constitution at all?
The rights we have as people to invade another nation?
Yeah; sorry dude. That isn't a people's right in the US Constitution or any other.
The case of Leo Garcia Venegas, a U.S. citizen arrested twice by immigration enforcement, demonstrates the problem with the government's current strategy.
You guys do realize that repeating your previous lies just makes you look more dishonest and not like the number of wrongful "arrests" has doubled, right?
Hopefully this man can get his situation straightened out and back to earning a living.
However, Reason has ignored the fact that 91 ILLEGAL ALIENS with bogus CDLs have been removed from our highways by ICE during an operation in Oklahoma which also netted forty more illegals.
Americans can breath a little easier knowing those with the bogus CDLs have been removed and jailed. The trucks have been confiscated and hopefully those responsible for issuing those CDLs will be held to account.
The last thing we need are 80,000Lb. semis speeding down the highways, driven by someone who can't read or speak English and causing another fatal accident.
Fuck off and die, Nazi shitbag.
Since when is enforcing traffic laws make a person a NAZI?
Ask JohnZ how all Jews are "snakes" before making a public ass of yourself.
Because he’s always ranting about ‘evil Jews’.
"...The case of Leo Garcia Venegas, a U.S. citizen arrested twice by immigration enforcement, demonstrates the problem with the government's current strategy..."
It also demonstrates the problem with breaking the pipes and causing the flood, but to TDS-addled steaming piles of lying shit like Tuccille, that's irrelevant.
TooSilly, thanks for the post on why birthright citizenship is a mistake. This dude's whole family is illegal, he works with illegals and is shocked he's getting detained with illegals? Fuck off with the feigned outrage.
How much was his mom paid by the US Govt to raise him? This shit has to stop, not be encouraged.
TooSilly, thanks for the post on why birthright citizenship is a mistake.
You're right, this guy is not a "real American" because.... well, I can't say it's because of his race, that will get your fee-fees upset. Why is it exactly that you don't consider Venegas to be a "real American"?
Racism is a democrat thing, and part of why you aren’t a real a American, or human.
according to a motion for a preliminary injunction
*drink*
Seriously, you need to stop calling this website "Reason." Its true name is "According to Allegations."
they finally acknowledged that Leo is a citizen
So it all worked out in the end. Good to hear.
Sorry, was there a story here?
The officers "ran past the four non-Latino workers and went straight for Leo's crew, all of whom were Latino."
Well, sorry, but when you hear a dog attacking a child, you aim for the pitbull, not the yorkie.
If anything, Leo should be pissed at the illegals who have besmirched his ethnicity and created very valid prejudices and stereotypes by their rampant criminal behavior.
As for Leo himself - yea, that sucks. But we've already discussed the solution to it:
Very sincere apology™ and a $10 gift card to Applebees.
If anything, Leo should be pissed at the illegals who have besmirched his ethnicity and created very valid prejudices and stereotypes by their rampant criminal behavior.
I see. So, when I call conservatives like you "racists and fascists", you shouldn't be upset at me. No no. You should be upset at the ACTUAL racists and fascists who are conservatives, who besmirch your political ideology and create very valid prejudices and stereotypes for your awful behavior.
Am I doing that right?
ICE is making us safer.
Well, I would be if there were actual racists and fascists among the conservative party.
There aren't. I don't know who you're thinking of - the alt-right, perhaps - but it's not conservatives.
That being said, I'm always curious as to a far-leftist's - like yourself - definition of "racism and fascism." Both those terms have a definition, but theirs/yours often seems to be little more than "anyone who disagrees with me, especially when it comes to partisanship."
Let me give you a hypothetical. Five bank robbers wearing identical masks and jumpsuits enter a bank and take control of it and the 30 innocent staff/patrons in it. The very first thing they do is put the same exact masks and jumpsuit on every single captive. The robbers don't take any physical money - they commit the robbery purely electronically. Accomplished, they then instruct all the captives to exit the building.
Should the police round up every single one of them and start trying to sort out which ones are the criminals and which aren't; or should they just let everyone - including the bank robbers - go because they might (and in this case, are guaranteed to) temporarily detain an innocent captive?
Well, I would be if there were actual racists and fascists among the conservative party.
There aren't. I don't know who you're thinking of - the alt-right, perhaps - but it's not conservatives.
Sounds like a "No True Scotsman" fallacy to me. There are plenty of racists and fascists on the conservative side (e.g. Nick Fuentes) even if you don't want to acknowledge them as "true conservatives".
If you want to claim that they are not representative of the conservative movement as a whole, then I'm willing to listen to your argument.
But that is even besides the point - you are claiming above that the presence of some Latinos who are undocumented justifies stereotyping and prejudging all Latinos as criminals. Which is the same argument as me stereotyping and prejudging all conservatives as racists and fascists because there happen to be some that actually are.
So what we see, is that you feel free to stereotype, prejudge and condemn others but are unwilling to see that same tactic applied to you and your team. Which is my entire point. Thanks for making it so eloquently.
Nick Fuentes loves Stalin. He is not a conservative. He aligns far more with you democrats.
YOU are an actual racist and fascist. As you are a Democrat. If you aren’t, them condemn the Democrat party, it’s racist history, and acknowledge extreme Democrat antisemitism.
Do it now.
“ If anything, Leo should be pissed at the illegals who have besmirched his ethnicity and created very valid prejudices and stereotypes by their rampant criminal”
And that’s racist. I don’t know what to tell you. It doesn’t matter what other Mexicans did. That doesn’t give you permission to discriminate or judge some random person, or punish them when they did nothing wrong.
All you guys go so apoplectic at the word “racism” wokeness or whatever you just think it gives you license to actually discriminate: it doesn’t.
Seriously, you need to stop calling this website "Reason." Its true name is "According to Allegations."
Assessment: superficially credible.
A victory in court for Venegas in NO WAY represents any restraint on the government. The guilty officials will in no way be punished and it will not prevent government officials from violating the constitutional rights of American citizens in the future. The Constitution does not guarantee our rights in any sense of the word. Even monetary compensation cannot undo the damages to the victims of tyranny, and it comes out of the tax pockets of the public, not the pockets of the guilty officials.
There is no practical way of preventing mistaken arrests. One can quibble about what police should do after the fact to ensure they have the right guy, or what compensation is owed if they had in fact made a mistaken arrest, but I fail to see how to reduce the probability of a mistaken arrest lower than it already is.
Honest mistakes are, of course, impossible to prevent. Due diligence, proper investigation, seeking an arrest or search warrant based upon legitimate probable cause, and double-checking the address would all go a long way towards preventing mistakes. This example was in NO WAY an example of a mistake by police. They did not follow ANY of the procedures required by the Constitution and local laws in order to prevent this violation of a citizen's rights. So don't try to pretend that these were "mistakes." It just makes you look idiotic.
Local laws don't govern ICE operations unless Congress says so.
The constitution does. The 4th amendment, you have a freedom to be secure in your person, home, and papers, which includes freedom from unreasonable arrest without a warrant.
There is no “but lots of Mexicans are illegal so Mexican American citizens can be arrested at will” exception
The 4th amendment, you have a freedom to be secure in your person, home, and papers, which includes freedom from unreasonable arrest without a warrant.
This is a backwards and dishonest interpretation of the 4th.
It largely generally applies to search warrants. If the warrant says, "Arrest [the person who murdered Aladdin's Carpet by name]." your murderer doesn't get to hide out in their or anyone else's house and say "The warrant doesn't say where you can arrest me!"
To wit, even by it's own verbiage, the 4A is not absolute, not even remotely, the FF weren't that retarded. "Upon probable cause" is the conditional lynchpin. Upon probable cause warrants may issue, and specific people and places can be searched and seized.
None of this is particularly new or complicated. It's been understood by children under English Common Law (and even further back under other law) back before The Colonies were settled.
Why you clowns continue to pretend your stupidity is doing or would do anyone in the last half millennium with an IQ above room temperature, except the vast majority of violent and other criminals, any good is the most dubious issue in the whole discussion.
Edit: And I notably use the term 'dubious' rather than 'mysterious' because it's not mysterious. You don't want to fix the system. You want to topple the system. Even if it causes riots and race wars and kills millions, you don't care. It's about assuaging your guilt or validating your perceived virtue.
So you're saying these were emergency mass arrests on suspicion of "being an illegal alien in public?" Do you realize how stupid that makes you sound? Or are you pretending to be willfully idiotic? Was there a violent riot in progress that threatened the public's safety? Trump's behavior is inexcusable and your mindless and gleeful support of his criminality is worse.
It is called "individual suspicion", which means you arrest someone based on what they did, not because of what race they are, language they speak, or who's parking lot you find them in. If a cop has no evidence they are here illegally they can't arrest them.
So if ICE has evidence that there are dozens of illegals from Venezuela illegally working at a particular location, they should arrest blonde, pale caucasians with American accents too?
You really are stuck on stupid Tony.
And?
They didnt violate any laws or procedures dumdum.
Another childish emotional response based on ignorance to the law.
Arresting someone without an evidence they have committed a crime is illegal.
You only need reasonable suspicion. You need hard evidence for a conviction. Tony, this is all beyond you. So kindly fuck the fuck off.
Just go back to your bath house. The only utility you have is acting as a cum receptacle for other debauched faggots.
Reasonable suspicion needs evidence you dumb-ass fascist shit.
Next SCOTUS will penalize suspicion of being Jewish in public. Based on "yup, he looks Jewish to me!" Summary sentence: deportation to Everglades Concentration Camp - the final solution.
As designed. The goal is to make the US accustomed to citizens being arrested by ICE.
No, as democrats designed, America was flooded with tens of millions of illegals. We’re just cleaning up your mess. What we should also be doing is rounding up Marxist democrats, like you.
Spoken like a true fascist.
Twas a time when the right freaked out about government issued IDs and one world government and mark of the beast and so on. Now they insist we all need to be properly documented everywhere we go. Can we all just admit this?
Like freaking out about 10 trans sports players, shouldn't they freak out about 170 mistaken detentions?
If we are going to go down this road we need two things. 1) Everyone needs to be subject to routine checks, including high end escorts from Slovenia, and 2) Employers need to have their payrolls scrutinized and held accountable, even if those employers are wealthy donors.
‘‘Twas a time when Marxist democrats hadn’t flooded America with tens of millions of illegals. Now we have to clean up after all the democrat treason.
When did you start to suspect that the political parties were consistent based on firm underlying principles?
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The fact that you're only reporting on a fraction of a fraction of the total illegal immigrant arrests proves what ICE is doing is effective and not problematic. If what you imply is true we would see more arrests of brown skinned citizens than we do. The fact that the vast, vast majority of arrests by ICE are of illegal immigrants and only a fraction of a fraction are citizens it proves their tactics are effective and proper. If you cannot comprehend that you're incompetent.