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Charlie Kirk

Social Media Didn't Kill Charlie Kirk

Plus: Trump says he "may let [TikTok] die," the SoHo Forum debates paying for sex, the administration calls birth control "abortifacients," and more...

Elizabeth Nolan Brown | 9.15.2025 12:15 PM

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In the wake of Charlie Kirk's assassination, a new cottage industry of rage has arisen. And while anger and horror at this act of violence are understandable, they're also taking Americans to some dark places, where retribution must be had against anyone who said negative things about Kirk after his death and politicians posture about punishing people who (crassly, but nonviolently) celebrated Kirk's death. A lot of this seems to hinge on the idea that hateful "rhetoric" is responsible for Kirk's killing; one particularly prevalent strain of this specifically indicts online speech and social media.

It's social media that led to Kirk's assassination, the refrain goes, and it's social media that's driving all sorts of political violence.

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But social media platforms don't kill people. People kill people.

That seems banal to point out, I know. Reductive, perhaps. But so much discourse right now attributes an almost supernatural influence to social media and to online speech and communities. And that's reductive, too—in addition to being pretty unmoored from reality.

"I believe that social media has played a direct role in every single assassination and assassination attempt that we have seen over the last five, six years," said Utah Gov. Spencer Cox on Meet the Press yesterday. Social media companies "have figured out how to hack our brains" and "get us to hate each other," Cox said.

It's not just politicians spewing a mind-control theory of political violence. "I think the main problem here isn't this killer's ideology," posted the pundit Noah Blum on Friday. "It's that the internet radicalizes people to do increasingly greater violence on a scarily regular basis and nobody really knows what to do about it."

We hear some version of this in the aftermath of many tragic or senseless events. It's not enough for people to blame disturbed or immoral individuals who do bad things. It's not even enough to blame the dubious influence of "right-wing extremism" or "left-wing extremism" or "political polarization." People blame tech companies, sometimes even suggesting they're directly responsible because they failed to stop hateful speech—or misinformation, or divisive rhetoric—on social media.

But the idea that people—especially young men—would not be radicalized if it weren't for social media belies most of human history.

I've been listening recently to a podcast called A Twist of History. One episode details Adolf Hitler's attempt to overthrow the Weimar Republic in 1923. Another episode features a riot during a Shakespearean performance in New York City in 1849, fomented by Ned Buntline, a nativist newspaper pundit with ambitions of fame and notoriety. Both instances featured fringe political elements, violence, and deaths.

History is littered with examples like these: men driven to violence by people in close physical proximity, sometimes with the help of inflammatory political rhetoric printed in pamphlets and newspapers.

The type of violence that people engage in does seem somewhat era-dependent. Sometimes it was more likely to be large group violence, acting as part of political movements or criminal gangs. Sometimes it was more likely to be small group violence, committed by racist clubs, radical activist groups, and so on. (And, surely, many manically violent men throughout history have been killed in wars or bar fights before they had a chance to do other damage.)

Ours is an era of lone-wolf violence, though it is not the first one.

Because of our hyper-connected world, and because of the sensationalistic nature of public shootings, it can feel like things are worse than ever. In another time, we wouldn't have have heard of every racist lynching, every street gang fight, and so on.

But even from what we can glean, looking back, it seems clear that we're not living in some exceptionally violent time.

Is the internet capable of radicalizing people?

On some level, the answer is yes, of course. But this is simply because the internet, and social media, are such huge parts of our lives. They are where people spend time, spread ideas, and consume ideologies. They are locusts of just about everything good, and everything bad, about our offline world.

"The internet is culture now, the way television once was for our parents, our grandparents, maybe even us," Katherine Dee wrote on her Substack this week. "Every aspect of our lives flows through it. There's no such thing as 'very Online' or 'not Online.' It's all of us, all the time, always."

People will point to algorithms and profit motives, epistemic closure and endless scroll—all sorts of things that supposedly make social media or the internet generally a unique breeder of polarization and radicalism and misinformation. But we have an ever-growing body of research suggesting that, for the average person, being on social media isn't making things worse (and, in some ways, could be making it better).

We live in ideologically charged and politically polarized times. A lot of our media and our political debates and our discussions with each other reflect this. But the fact that so much of this comes seeping out on social media may simply be a symptom.

Online speech is the most visible manifestation of any rot in our system or culture. But it does not mean that Facebook, or TikTok, or X, or any of the countless niche forums out there are the cause of the rot.

Yes, the shooter was steeped in internet meme culture, as evidenced by messages printed on his bullets: "an internet-specific brand of trollish nihilism adopted by many recent shooters," as my colleague C.J. Ciaramella put it. But I think it's foolish—a combination of determined presentism, tech panic, and lack of imagination—to suggest that Kirk's shooter pulled the trigger only because of ideas or attitudes that he encountered online.

For one thing, we can't actually say what spawned the shooter's idea that assassinating someone was a good idea, or his belief that Kirk was an appropriate symbolic target for his agenda. Maybe people around him offline encouraged it. Maybe voices in his head told him to. At this point, we don't know.

But if he encountered bad ideas online, it's because the internet is now where we encounter ideas. If he cloaked his violence in the language of internet memes, it's because that's where culture is these days.

In another era, he may have encountered bad ideas at a town hall and dressed up his horrific act in different slogans. But a man with a capacity for such premeditated and dramatic violence is a man with a capacity for such things in any era. And conversely, countless billions of people encounter the same online ecosystem without committing assassinations.

Reaching for modern technology as the explanation reeks of an ideological agenda of its own.

None of this is to say that particular vectors of online radicalization shouldn't be identified. People can and should study such routes, and consider ways to combat them, just as their predecessors tried to stop people from being sucked into the Ku Klux Klan, the mob, and so on. But looking for particular pathways here (if such a thing can be done) is different from condemning social media and the internet universally. We might as well have blamed the buildings where extremists gathered, or the paper and ink that allowed them to communicate.

"Social media is simply the way we talk and communicate in this day and age, for better or worse," Colorado Gov. Jared Polis said yesterday on ABC's This Week. "What I would focus on is condemning the act of violence. It's not the free speech that led to this. It's not the fact that people can talk and communicate online. It's the actions of an unhinged, evil individual."

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  1. Ron   4 hours ago

    it was the left that killed Kirk. How, they, Politicians and lefties on TV and influencers have consistently called Kirk racist and hateful and divisive and dangerous. Yet they clearly never heard him speak. of course of late the left calls anyone who even votes differently racist and NAZI etc so I'm surprised the left hasn't started shooting everyone they think may be different.

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    1. Ron   4 hours ago

      and i will add that it is the left that is divisive by claiming everything they disagree with as divisive many people like Kirk would never get the attention they do without the lefts rhetoric and its clearly the lefts lawfare that got Trump reelected. talk about reaping what you sow

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      1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   3 hours ago

        It is the pushing of violence on the left with many of their communities targeting the vulnerable.

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        1. tracerv   2 hours ago

          It's also the glee and joy they derive from the assassination. Makes me ill.

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          1. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   1 hour ago

            There are two kinds of democrats. The ones who openly celebrated Charlie Kirk’s assassination by a democrat, and the ones who celebrated privately.

            The left is pure evil. Case closed.

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      2. MasterThief   2 hours ago

        He was a good guy known for talking with people about politics and religion. I'm tired of anybody who opposes the left being described as "divisive." Everyone is divisive to those they disagree with. The knee-jerk labeling of every right-leaning person as divisive just unmasks the writer/speaker as a leftist.

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        1. HorseConch   2 hours ago

          Divisive is one of their favorite buzz words. I have a friend that said the media was being divisive when the Allah Akbar screamer firebombed a bunch of boomer Jewish people in Boulder. When I stated the guy firebombing the Jews was the one doing the dividing he got quiet.

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    2. Leo Kovalensky II   2 hours ago

      Guns don't kill people... people kill people. Similarly, speech doesn't kill people.

      Hold the nutcase accountable. Don't implicate anybody who may have ever disagreed with Kirk as being responsible. That's no different than the left implicating law abiding gun owners every time some nutcase decides to shoot up a school.

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      1. Ersatz   2 hours ago

        These "nutcases" don't exist in a bubble. I'll remind you that half of young Dems believe assassinating Trump and Elon is acceptable.

        [memory quoting stat - ymmv]

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        1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   54 minutes ago

          55% of all self-identifying “liberals” believe killing the president is a justifiable means of pursuing their political goals.

          https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/3376030/the-democrats-embrace-a-culture-of-violence/

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      2. JesseAz (RIP CK)   57 minutes ago

        Discission centers on people openly celebrating Kirks death, you go with...

        Don't implicate anybody who may have ever disagreed with Kirk as being responsible.

        Wut?

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        1. Leo Kovalensky II   26 minutes ago

          Original post Politicians and lefties on TV and influencers have consistently called Kirk racist and hateful and divisive and dangerous.

          None of those terms are directly responsible for his death. If someone is quoted as calling for it directly that's quite a different thing. Celebrating his death, while disgusting and vile, is not directly responsible for his death.

          We need to be careful that we aren't throwing 1A away for some blessings of security just as the left would throw 2A away for the same.

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          1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   22 minutes ago

            Except all those people intentionally attacked Kirk for words he didnt say.

            And you seem to demand nobody criticize them over that fact.

            When your first impulse is to say I dont think X should be murdered BUUUUUUTTTT... you deserve to be lumped in.

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    3. I, Woodchipper   1 hour ago

      It is divisive to not worship trannyism and be anti-communist.

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  2. Stupid Government Tricks   4 hours ago

    You're hearing the wrong refrain, ENB.

    It's social media that led to Kirk's assassination, the refrain goes, and it's social media that's driving all sorts of political violence.

    The real joy comes from canceling the culture cancelers, the ones who have been so proud of everyone they've canceled. Karma's a bitch, revenge in kind is sweet, and that's why they're doing it.

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    1. Michael Ejercito   3 hours ago

      They promoted the OK symbol hoax.

      they cheered the canceling of Emmanuel Cafferty.

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  3. Spiritus Mundi   4 hours ago

    "We don't what did it, but it for sure wasn't social media". Get the fuck out of here with that garabage ENB. While all the facts are still coming in, it is absurd to rule out people becoming radicalized online. Just disregard 1000's of years of history showing how people can be influenced into making bad and evil choices via propaganda.

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    1. Stupid Government Tricks   4 hours ago

      Social media no more did it than Robinson's rifle. People kill people. Not guns. Not social media. Billions of people use social media without killing anyone, just as hundreds of millions, possibly billions, of people use guns without killing anyone.

      Don't fall into the gun grabbers' trap.

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      1. Spiritus Mundi   3 hours ago

        He just came up with the idea all on his own? Nothing or noone influenced him? Is that what you are going with?

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        1. Stupid Government Tricks   3 hours ago

          Are you taking the gun grabbers' approach?

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          1. Spiritus Mundi   2 hours ago

            Not sure what you mean by that. But it is important to know what was behind his motivation. Are you saying it doesn't matter if he was goaded into shooting Kirk? The puppet is always to blame and not the puppet master?

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            1. Stupid Government Tricks   26 minutes ago

              Gun grabbers love to say "guns kill", and the answer is "guns don't kill people, people kill people". You are doing the exact same thing, blaming the killing on social media, on lefties in general, the DNC, colleges -- everything but Robinson.

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              1. Trollificus   24 minutes ago

                No, everything AND Robinson.

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    2. Trollificus   24 minutes ago

      Waitwaitwait...wasn't it just now ago that we've heard how social media "radicalized" young white men into "alt-right extremism" and "white supremacy"?? Lke, 10 solid fucking years worth of that crap?
      Like, magazine cover graphs showing "See? It all fits together!" Ask Gen. Cyrus Milley 'bout that shit.

      But now the saw cuts the other way and we need rigorous standards of logic. Right. Fuck the lefties and fuck the tools who do their dirty work.

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  4. Chumby   4 hours ago

    Nope. It was a member of the rainbow cult that might have shared his plans on social media with some rainbow cult Discord group.

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  5. Mother's Lament   4 hours ago

    "Social Media Didn't Kill Charlie Kirk"

    No. The mainstream and traditional media did.

    The CNNs and NYTs and WaPos who gaslight seniors and the mentally ill into believing that they are sitting on the cusp of a dictatorship, and that what were regarded in 2010 as liberals and the center left, are right-wing extremists wanting to genocide everyone else.

    The blood stains the hands of the Rachel Maddows and Matt Welchs. Not social media.

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    1. Stupid Government Tricks   4 hours ago

      No, Robinson's hands. Not his gun, not social media, not mainstream and traditional media.

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      1. Ersatz   2 hours ago

        yes - lets deconstruct this situation even more... just his hands... lets punish his hands... maybe a slap on the back of them with a ruler

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        1. Stupid Government Tricks   24 minutes ago

          Duh. "The blood stains the hands of ..." and you think punishing his hands alone is cute. Gosh. Funny you didn't pull the same stunt with Mother's Lament.

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    2. Chumby   4 hours ago

      On Friday, drive about 400 miles around the state. Every flag I saw that could be at half mast was. Imagine jeff waddling up to the front door of each demanding they explain why the flag was at half mast attempting to gaslight about Kirk and ask why they didn’t do that fir the Trump shooter who was killed in the act of his assassination attempt.

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      1. shrike   3 hours ago

        Every confederate flag?

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        1. Chumby   3 hours ago

          https://psychcentral.com/disorders/treating-pedophilia#aversion-therapy

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          1. Wizzle Bizzle   19 minutes ago

            Amazing

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        2. NealAppeal   3 hours ago

          Who knew...pedos can actually get a good zinger in there every once in a while.

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        3. Bertram Guilfoyle   3 hours ago

          Bring back well adjusted biden guy.

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          1. shrike   3 hours ago

            That guy is a pussy.

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            1. InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)   3 hours ago

              So are you.

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    3. Minadin   47 minutes ago

      So, not Social Media, but Socialist Media.

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  6. creech   4 hours ago

    John Wilkes Booth shot Lincoln because he didn't like his beard.
    It had nothing to do with centuries of mind polluting nonsense about Negroes being animals who needed to be enslaved and worked like beasts of burden.

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    1. Ersatz   2 hours ago

      ^BOOO-UURNS approved. Excellent!^

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  7. Rick James   3 hours ago

    This is a bit like saying the Megaphone didn't cause the riot.

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  8. Rick James   3 hours ago

    • Kaytlin Bailey, founder and executive director of the sex worker rights group Old Pros, will be debating Melanie Thompson of the Coalition Against Trafficking in Women about whether paying for sex should be a crime. The debate, part of the Soho Forum, is happening live tonight in Manhattan and will also be livestreamed on Reason's YouTube channel.

    I'm with Bailey on this one... making 'paying for sex a crime' would be like making women illegal... AMIRITE FELLAS?

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    1. BYODB   3 hours ago

      Wrong spot >.<

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    2. EISTAU Gree-Vance   2 hours ago

      “…..the sex worker rights group Old Pros….”

      Ewww.

      Anyway, the first rule of sex worker rights group is, you do not talk about…..

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    3. Gaear Grimsrud   2 hours ago

      Well marriage lets you pay on the installment plan.

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      1. Groovus Maximus   2 hours ago

        Often with diminishing returns... 🙂

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        1. Rick James   2 hours ago

          Depreciation is a thing. Oh, and look who decided to show up.

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          1. Groovus Maximus   1 hour ago

            Hiya, Paul, Paul., Diane Reynolds (Paul) Rick!

            Yeah, had some time, & been lurking for a bit. Figured this tragedy might be an interesting time to wade back in... That, & feeling oddly sentimental. I see a few faces way back in the day....

            The editorial staff leaves much to be be desired, much more so than before.... Jesus....

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            1. Zeb   1 hour ago

              Good to see you. But it's kind of a mess here, as you can probably see pretty quickly.

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              1. Groovus Maximus   59 minutes ago

                ZEBULON!

                Umm, mess is not the word I'd use. if anything, more sparse, due to the ReasonPlus rules & such.

                I was utterly *SHOCKED* my handle & PW still worked. I haven't logged in here in what seems like eons (over a decade). And! grandfathered in... stunned, actually.

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  9. Rick James   3 hours ago

    "The administration will no longer supply abortifacient birth control under the guise of foreign aid."

    *looks around*

    Um, good... we're libertarians, right?

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    1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   3 hours ago

      Reason wants to nationalize abortificeints.

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      1. BYODB   3 hours ago

        We need more workers in the U.S. supplied from foreign countries.

        Also, we need to make sure foreigners aren't having children overseas.

        Wait...what?

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        1. BYODB   3 hours ago

          Or, a more amusing version of the same construction:

          If all it takes to free women from the patriarchy is not having children anymore, either women or the entire human race is going to get fucked.

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          1. HorseConch   2 hours ago

            It's mindblowing that they've twisted and distorted abortion into being healthcare. While I don't agree with banning it completely, the side wanting it completely banned stand on far firmer moral footing than the group that want it to be completely legal and unquestioned for a woman to walk into a clinic the day before birth and abort a completely viable live fetus because it's her body her choice.

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            1. BYODB   19 minutes ago

              I'm not in favor of a total ban either, and my reasoning is that a conflict of natural rights between the mothers bodily autonomy and the right of the fetus to live exists, and the proper method of resolving conflicts of natural rights is...legislation.

              I don't agree with it morally, but my moral judgements generally aren't a legitimate basis for legislation. I suppose all law, in some form, reflects morality but I also recognize that in most cases morality is not a constant between individuals.

              My personal take is the mother made their judgement when they decided to have sex. There are outliers to how children are made, obviously, but to pretend the majority of abortions in the United States are the result of rape is beyond tenuous and into the realm of pure fabrication.

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        2. Trollificus   14 minutes ago

          Maybe I'm missing the point but didn't we (actually the British settlers) already try that whole "importing workers from foreign countries" thing a few hundred years ago and come to the conclusion that it was a really bad thing??

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  10. Rick James   3 hours ago

    In a First, Korean Women Target U.S. Military in Suit Over Prostitution
    Dozens of women who worked in the sex trade in South Korea are seeking an apology and compensation for the rights abuses they suffered while catering to American G.I.s.

    Huh, paywall. Too bad, I get a whiff of swirling sex-work-is-work contradictions in that article.

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    1. BYODB   3 hours ago

      Pretty sure those whores were already paid at the time. The American dollar at the time was obviously worth a hell of a lot more than local currency.

      Also sort of cuts off ENB at the knees, one assumes. Turns out whores can still get upset decades later that they worked as whores.

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      1. Rossami   3 hours ago

        In fairness, some of them are alleging that they were forced into the trade or were minors at the time. Thus, they either did not or could not consent. That would be a problem that, even decades later, should be redressed.

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        1. BYODB   2 hours ago

          It would have been almost impossible even at the time to corroborate their claims given that whole war thing that was going on, let alone decades after the fact.

          How many of those Johns were ventilated by the whores cousin immediately afterwards, for that matter.

          If they were 'forced' into the trade, it certainly wasn't by the American military it was probably their own parents.

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          1. Rossami   2 hours ago

            Your first paragraph is a proper justification for statutes of limitation. Unfortunately, we've decided as a society that sex crimes are so egregious that even those practical realities must be sacrificed. But if they can make their case with believable evidence even after all this time, what's the argument that it should not be allowed?

            The US military's liability, if there is any, should be limited to actual knowledge of illegal activity. If officers in positions of responsibility actually did know of under age or coerced participation, then how are they any less liable than any other accomplice to a crime?

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        2. Rick James   2 hours ago

          Forced into the trade by whom? Was prostitution legal in Korea at the time? If so, then making prostitution legal clearly doesn't eliminate the exploitation angle that prostitution tends to ignite. The US Military has a long history of being very "progressive" on prostitution-- even sanctioning houses that it found were safe, disease free etc, including sending its own medical personnel to certify and sanction them. You know, like an FDA that helps us know what's in our legal drugs...

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          1. Groovus Maximus   1 hour ago

            Thank you for clarifying what category of, "sex work," (God Damn, what a fucking nebulous, Orwelliian term!) is being addressed here.

            If only ENB were Wile E. Coyote & had an ACME account....

            Somehow, I didin't think Korean women at that time were OnlyFans web cam girls...LOL

            Militaries, in general, have had a long history of promulgating prostitution to keep troops somewhat content & compliant, true that.

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  11. Super Scary   3 hours ago

    "a new cottage industry of rage has arisen."

    Getting people fired for what they say/said on social media isn't new.

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    1. Trollificus   6 minutes ago

      Well, the LEFT being targeted by it is new.

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  12. JesseAz (RIP CK)   3 hours ago

    It is the culture of the left that is being pushed back on. Those screaming punch a nazi and kill your enemies. The state isnt going after these people. All that is being done is their public statements are being highlighted. Companies are choosing to let these people go.

    This culture is of course all over social media. And it needs to be brought to attention.

    Over the weekend a pair of furries tried to blow up a fox news van, luckily their attempts at this failed as much as their attempts at normalcy.

    https://pjmedia.com/vodkapundit/2025/09/15/terrorist-attack-on-fox-news-van-fizzles-out-n4943716

    Libertarianism is not about ignoring society, ignoring bad acts, never responding. It is about not using the lever of state to do so. There is zero problem woth public shame and call outs. This is the same problem reason has on many issues, where they demand celebration of things like transing kids or drugs while decrying shaming the bad acts from those things.

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    1. NealAppeal   3 hours ago

      Yep...had a local candidate for school board outed and stand by their statement that Kirk needed to die. I don't support candidates particularly but I will definitely be agitating against her.

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    2. HorseConch   2 hours ago

      They act like they're victims of their own stupid speech. People are fired everyday for crossing the line or saying stupid, hateful, and/or inappropriate things at their jobs. If some kid working a drive thru tells random lady to go fuck herself he'll be hunting a job and there will be no outcry or gofundme to get him back on his feet.

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      1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 hours ago

        They get fired over pronouns.

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  13. shrike   3 hours ago

    So the Christo-fascist abortive-freaks are finally going after the birth control pill. True enough, it is an abortifacient.

    Mother Lament must be ecstatic. He may even remove the hair shirt he has been wearing since his indoctrination.

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    1. Chumby   3 hours ago

      https://psychcentral.com/disorders/treating-pedophilia#aversion-therapy

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      1. shrike   3 hours ago

        I’m here all afternoon, Chumface.

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        1. InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)   3 hours ago

          What happened to your original SPB account?

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          1. Rick James   2 hours ago

            Back to basics.

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          2. shrike   2 hours ago

            Sarah Palin’s Buttplug? Quality poster.

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            1. Bertram Guilfoyle   2 hours ago

              You forgot to answer what happened to it.

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            2. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   2 hours ago

              You still holding that Tesla short position?

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              1. shrike   2 hours ago

                No. I lost money on that.

                We are in an AI bubble though. Donnie will see another deep recession and sell off

                Just like 2008 and 2020.

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    2. Groovus Maximus   3 hours ago

      You know, shrike, you being a MAPedo and de facto member (in every sense of the word) of The Rainbow Trantifa, I figured you'd change your tune on that "ChristFAGS!, AbortoFREAKS!" album you've had on autoloop even to this day....

      You need a steady supply of pre-pubescent kiddies to diddle, no? And axlotl tanks haven't been perfected yet.... seems counter productive, no?

      What did happen to your orginal account? It's my understanding you got banned for linking to Kiddie Pr0n....

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  14. Rossami   3 hours ago

    This article attempts to prove too much. Yes, people have been "radicalized" through one means or another since the dawn of history. But it's also true that the internet was promised to us as a 'great leveler' that would facilitate communication and understanding - and initially seemed to do so until social media companies found that there was more money to be made feeding our preexisting biases and beliefs and in the process making the 'information bubble' problem even worse than it was before.

    Did social media "kill" Charlie Kirk? No.
    Did they contribute to it to some marginal degree? Maybe.
    Could they have done something (again, at the margins) to reduce it's likelihood? Again, maybe.
    Should they have done that something? I'm not even going with a 'maybe' to that question because we don't yet understand that tradeoffs to freedom that would be necessary for the 'something' pundits (and the author here) are implying should be implemented.

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    1. Stupid Government Tricks   2 hours ago

      Blaming social media, influencers, the DNC, and all the other lefties is the gun grabbers' approach. Robinson killed Kirk. Not his gun, not social media, the influencers, the DNC, or anyone else.

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      1. Idaho-Bob   2 hours ago

        Apples to oranges.

        What convinced Robinson that Kirk needed to die? Why didn't he just kill some rando on the street? He just came up with this idea all on his own? Or was he a weakling who was influenced by 24/7 by "All conservatives are Nazis, fascists, transphobic, homophobic, and killers of Mother Gaia"?

        He pulled the trigger, but why did he pick CK?

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        1. ravenshrike   2 hours ago

          One of the at least 6 other people who knew about the attack beforehand. I say at least six, because 6 people posted varying things about something going down at the college on the day in question beforehand.

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          1. sarcasmic   2 hours ago

            People talk all kinds of shit. They probably heard that ten times before and were surprised when something actually happened.

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            1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   51 minutes ago

              Always excusing the left.

              Show us, instead of assuming, prior times people predicted Kirks murder at an event.

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        2. Stupid Government Tricks   23 minutes ago

          You're copying the gun grabbers' rhetoric. Are you proud of that? Who do I blame for you reading out of their playbook?

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    2. Rick James   2 hours ago

      Reason has been trying to have it both ways lo these many years. The internet has been a transformative technology that has improved the efficiency in commerce, communication, trade, brought lives together in ways that were previously impossible due to the high cost of long-distance communication!

      Could there any negative effects?

      NO! NONE!

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  15. JohnZ   3 hours ago

    The murder of Charlie Kirk was the result of leftist university professors and the leftist MSM. The indoctrination and brainwashing of young people in America's colleges and universities have led to this. The MSM contributed to it with their slanted, distorted and many times outright false rubbish that has brought the nation to this point.
    From the distorted reports of George Floyd's death which inflamed the ghettos and caused two years of almost nonstop rioting to the scare mongering of the covid hoax to the attacks on anyone who was to the right of Karl Marx, the leftist media never failed to lie, distort and enflame.
    Joe McCarthy was right about the universities. They are filled with radical leftists and Marxists.
    So what's to be done about the universities? Keep your children away from them.

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    1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   3 hours ago

      It isnt just universities anymore.

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    2. shrike   2 hours ago

      You dumbass. The shooter went to a small town college for one lousy semester. He was raised by conservative parents in a conservative state.

      You lie like idiot Jesse does.

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      1. EISTAU Gree-Vance   2 hours ago

        Yes, I’m sure his conservative parents regularly referenced “Bella ciao” and perpetual grievance talking points about fascists.

        Idiot.

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        1. shrike   2 hours ago

          But conservatives claim that if your crumbcruncher is raised by two parents in a godly home you are assured of a fine upstanding offspring.

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          1. EISTAU Gree-Vance   53 minutes ago

            Sure they do. No exceptions.

            Lol. Lightweight.

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  16. shrike   3 hours ago

    Kirk seemed like a decent enough guy. He had garden variety superficial conservative beliefs. He hated the First Amendment/Establishment clause so he is an intellectual lightweight.

    But goddamnit I am sick of the constant eulogies. He didn’t even serve his country.

    But that obviously doesn’t matter to the Trump Cult.

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    1. Chumby   3 hours ago

      https://psychcentral.com/disorders/treating-pedophilia#aversion-therapy

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    2. Groovus Maximus   2 hours ago

      He *DID* serve his country, Shriek....(yeah, 'member that one? Takes a different context now, eh, MAPedo?)

      No higher form of service than authentic, civil discourse; debate for the sake ot both challenging your opponent's views whilst testing the validity of one's own. Debating in goood faith with the assumption of good faith in others...

      And about that original account of yours linking to Kiddie Pr0n.... what gives?

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      1. shrike   2 hours ago

        Have you been in prison the last decade?

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        1. Groovus Maximus   2 hours ago

          No, unless you count being happily & faithfully married, raising children, prison. Heh!

          Better yet, the *last* thing you need is children around you...

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          1. shrike   2 hours ago

            Didn’t you claim to be a doctor?

            I’ve posted here since the Dumbya years. Conservatives come and go but they always lie about me. And I don’t give a fuck.

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            1. Chumby   2 hours ago

              https://psychcentral.com/disorders/treating-pedophilia#aversion-therapy

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            2. Groovus Maximus   2 hours ago

              Yep, physician as charged; technically retired, but still keep my licensure (SLD).

              Good memory. Apprently, those prions & spirochetes haven't completely eaten your brain. Yet.

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              1. shrike   2 hours ago

                You must think RFK Jr is a moron when it comes to medicine then.

                Unless you’re a Trumpian quack.

                Which I would be surprised if you were.

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                1. Groovus Maximus   1 hour ago

                  Nope, not a huge fan of Trump's pick for the HHS. As far as Trump goes, I'm largely ambivalent. However, I'll take him over just about *ANY* Euro-Wonk. (We've lived under two different Euro PM's, before recently returning to the USA a couple of years ago).

                  However, I get where RFK's coming from on a variety of health issues, & it's my opinion children (neonates in particular) are over-vaccinated with a barrage of vax schedules delivered both too often & early. Debates on "herd immunity", virus origin, GoF, & other aspects of mRNA "vaccination" would have prevented a great deal of harm that affected populations worldwide. Our children are minimally vaccinated & healthy as horses.

                  That, & quality of food in the US, not to mention the SAD (Standard American Diet) does merit debate amoungst certain populations. I welcome the debates on those aspects of health stats & trends in the USA, & appreciate him opening the door on those debates. Which didn't happen during the intial CoVid outbreak. At all.

                  I'm also *QUITE* sure his opinion of kiddie diddlers is through the floor. You know the abstinence rate amoungst your kind is horrifyingly low, yes?

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    3. EISTAU Gree-Vance   2 hours ago

      Lol. It doesn’t get any more “lightweight” than “well, his parents are conservative, therefore hurr durr…”

      Idiot.

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    4. JohnZ   2 hours ago

      By not serving his country, what do you mean by that?
      One does not have to serve in the military to serve the nation. In fact our founding fathers only service requirement was Jury Duty, not military.
      Large standing armies are anathema to liberty and look what it has brought us.
      Personally I would never encourage my children to get anywhere near a military recruiter. I would not want any of my children wounded or killed in some lousy war for Israel.

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  17. Eeyore   3 hours ago

    If Alex Jones can be sued for 1.5 billion dollars for what he said - seems like CNN and MSN can be sued for 3 billion.

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    1. BYODB   3 hours ago

      One of the more outrageous miscarriages of justice in our time.

      Alex Jones is a piece of shit, but last I checked even pieces of shit have 1st amendment rights.

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      1. Eeyore   2 hours ago

        In cases like this the listener is to blame. If you don't like what someone is saying, stop listening to them.

        That said, everyone who regularly watches CNN should be put on the terrorist watch list for ties to a known radical organization.

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        1. JohnZ   2 hours ago

          Note that CNN's rating is at the bottom with MSNBC not far above it. That parent NBC is going to give MSNBC the heave ho because of failing ratings.
          Steven Colbert will be unemployed soon as others such as Jimmy Kimmel and John Liebowitz-Stewart could soon follow.
          The MSM by and large is rotten to the core and there's no way to fix it.

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      2. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 hours ago

        Sullum doesn't think so.

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    2. JohnZ   2 hours ago

      Alex Jones was right.

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      1. sarcasmic   1 hour ago

        Desperate trolls are desperate.

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  18. BYODB   3 hours ago

    Social media is where critical thought goes to die under the weight of the mobs irrational emotive thinking.

    It shouldn't be illegal, but anyone with half a brain should avoid it since being present on those platforms will surely reduce your IQ and/or enrage you at the vapid hot takes from the majority of their users.

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    1. JohnZ   1 hour ago

      Exactly. Why subject yourself to an angry mob.
      I refuse social media.

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  19. Zeb   2 hours ago

    OF course the shooter is ultimately responsible for his own actions. The vast majority of people don't go murder anyone under the influence of social media. But it certainly contributes to how people like that get the ideas that they do. I'm becoming more and more convinced that social media is the worst invention ever.

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    1. shrike   2 hours ago

      Social media created the cesspool that anti-vaxxers swim in.

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      1. Chumby   2 hours ago

        https://psychcentral.com/disorders/treating-pedophilia#aversion-therapy

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    2. sarcasmic   2 hours ago

      Social media is a double edged sword. On the one hand people who would otherwise be unable to find each other can unite for productive purposes. On the other you get political echo chambers. And there is a lot in between. Question is which outweighs the other.

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      1. Zeb   1 hour ago

        Well, I didn't like it even before the whole world lost it's mind, so you probably can tell where I come down on the cost/benefit. I'm not calling for any regulation of it, but if I had a magic wand to make it disappear, I would.

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        1. Groovus Maximus   54 minutes ago

          Social Media is to social cohesion as accelerant is to combustion.

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        2. sarcasmic   34 minutes ago

          I’d have one less range toy without it, but I get your point.

          However I think the entire world has always lost its mind. Social media brings like minds together across great distances and insulates them from opposing views. But only if they want to. It’s still a choice. No one is strong armed into joining twatter or facederp. So people have to be predisposed to idiocy. And the 60s happened without social media.

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        3. sarcasmic   24 minutes ago

          In the 80s people would mail cassette tapes to each other, and it was considered high tech.
          In the 90s we got chat rooms.
          Who knows what kind of communication the next few decades will bring.
          That’s all social media is, isn’t it? The latest form of communication? And as the population increases, so does the percent that are dumbasses.

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      2. EISTAU Gree-Vance   57 minutes ago

        Wow, man, that’s like, deep.

        Tell us more. Lol.

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        1. sarcasmic   30 minutes ago

          There once was a girl from Brighton, who’s boyfriend said “My that’s a tight one”.
          She said “You poor soul, you’ve got the wrong hole. But there’s plenty of room in the right one.”

          -your mom

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  20. ravenshrike   2 hours ago

    Correct, social media didn't cause this. The lefty terrorist organization Antifa, and more specifically a trans focused cell in Utah, did. See, the problem with creating a decentralized terrorist organization is that at the end of the day there is no control over the individual cell's actions. Combine this with an element as unstable as the average trans person, as evidenced by the population's suicide rate, as well as the propaganda within a large portion of the community about how de-transitioning and gender dysphoria therapy 'kills' the transgender individual, and you get the incident in Utah.

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    1. sarcasmic   2 hours ago

      The biggest problem with decentralized trans terrorist organizations is that they only exist in the minds of people who spend way too much time on right wing social media.

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  21. JohnZ   1 hour ago

    There isn't any one single cause but a slurry of left wing ideology mixed with social radicalism including trans and victim ideology, social justice politics and the vehement hatred against anyone who dares disagree with their orthodoxy.
    What took place over the past five years rivals that of any Marxist dictatorship. The Constitution was literally tossed out for the supposed purpose of public safety or in other words, "for your own good". What actually took place was an experiment to see how far the statists would go before blowback. Just how far would they go in their quest for total control.

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  22. BioBehavioral_View   19 minutes ago

    Charlie Kirk: Poster-Boy

    Social Media notwithstanding, in death, the late-Charlie Kirk is becoming a poster-boy for religious faith, economic capitalism, and American patriotism. As a poster boy, his assassination is reminiscent of a Nazi-era movie made in 1933 abut the actual assassination of a member of the Hitler Youth by the Communists.*

    *Hitler Youth Quex. Chicago IL: Distributed by International Historic Films, inc. (2007).

    In 1937, Chancellor Adolf Hitler held a secret meeting of the highest echelon in the Nazis’ hierarchy. During that meeting, the so-called Führer outlined his vision for the future of geopolitics. The United States would control the Western Hemisphere but not for long; demographic heterogeneity would destroy America as a global power. How prescient was he? Substitute Russia for Germany and China for Imperial Japan then add a declining, fragmenting United States. Because Hitler stated the truth does not make the truth false.

    “An autopsy of history would show that all great nations commit suicide.” -Historian Arnold Toynbee (1889-1975)

    Most recently, it was Great Britain to complete its national suicide with the beginning of the beginning in 1914. Today it is America.

    “Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt.” -Samuel Adams (1722-1803); essay in The Public Advertiser, Circa 1749

    There are several factors contributing to the American suicide. Primary is loss of universal morality as a coördinating fabric. Charlie Kirk promoted the concept of loss of that coördinating fabric.

    Lawyerism is another. A third factor is entry by immigrants legal and illegal who are not Christian Euro-Caucasians. A fourth factor but not the last is American devolvement from a patriarchal democratic republic into a matriarchal republican democracy.

    https://www.nationonfire.com/matriarchy/ .

    Generally, four cornerstones support a society; namely, government, law, education, and medical delivery. Presently, in these United States all four are crumbling. Is there any hope for the future?
    Whatever we do, we shall fail without employing the three guidelines of the Scientific Method as described in the novel, Retribution Fever; namely, specificity, objectivity, and accountability. The novel presents a detailed roadmap for their employment.

    “Ask, and it shall be given you;, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.” -Matthew 7:7

    Wallow in ignorance. Drown in arrogance.

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