9 Years Ago, Marco Rubio Explained Why Trump's Birthright Citizenship Order Is Unconstitutional
The 2016 brief defended the understanding of the 14th Amendment that the president wants to overturn.

As a presidential candidate in 2016, Marco Rubio defended the conventional understanding of birthright citizenship, which contradicts the view embraced by the administration he currently serves as secretary of state. The contrast is especially striking because Rubio is one of the defendants in federal lawsuits challenging President Donald Trump's attempt to restrict birthright citizenship by executive decree.
When New York Times reporter Adam Liptak noted those points this week, State Department spokesman Tommy Pigott said it was "absurd" that the paper was "wasting time digging around for decade-old made-up stories." Yet Rubio's history on this issue is relevant to the birthright citizenship debate because it illustrates the clash between Trump's idiosyncratic reading of the 14th Amendment and a longstanding, bipartisan consensus about its meaning.
The 14th Amendment says "all persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" are "citizens of the United States." An executive order that Trump issued on his first day in office nevertheless purported to exclude U.S.-born children from citizenship when neither parent is a citizen or legal permanent resident.
That order is consistent with the 14th Amendment, Trump argues, because the children it covers are not subject to U.S. jurisdiction. The government's lawyers say jurisdiction requires both "primary allegiance" and "permanent domicile"—criteria that undocumented immigrants, legal visitors, and authorized temporary residents cannot meet.
Trump's position is untenable for reasons that Rubio's attorney, election law specialist Jason Torchinsky, explained in a 2016 motion to dismiss a lawsuit by fringe presidential candidate David Librace. The lawsuit argued that Rubio, then a Florida senator, was not qualified to run for president because his Cuban immigrant parents were not U.S. citizens when he was born.
That argument was fundamentally mistaken, Torchinsky said, because Rubio was indisputably born in the United States, which was enough to make him a "natural born citizen"—the requirement that Librace claimed Rubio did not meet. "Under the common law of England at the time of the American founding, under U.S. Supreme Court precedent, and under U.S. historical practice," Torchinsky noted, "anyone born in the United States, regardless of ancestry and immigration status of the parents, is a 'natural born citizen' under the Constitution."
English common law recognized just two exceptions to the general rule of citizenship by birth: children of diplomats and foreign military invaders, groups that were not subject to English jurisdiction. When the 14th Amendment was ratified in 1868, Torchinsky wrote, "there was no question that persons born in the United States to foreign parents (who were not diplomats or hostile, occupying enemies) were citizens of the United States by virtue of their birth."
That understanding was apparent in early judicial decisions and in subsequent legislative debates. The Supreme Court confirmed it in 1898, when the justices held that a man who had been born to Chinese parents in San Francisco thereby qualified as a U.S. citizen.
The Court recognized one additional exception to birthright citizenship in the American context: Like the offspring of diplomats and foreign enemies, it said, "children of members of the Indian tribes owing direct allegiance to their several tribes," which had quasi-sovereign status, were not subject to U.S. jurisdiction within the meaning of the 14th Amendment. But apart from those three exceptions, the Court ruled, anyone born in the United States automatically becomes a U.S. citizen.
The Supreme Court has repeatedly reiterated that principle, holding that even children of unauthorized residents are citizens by birth—a position echoed by officials in the executive and legislative branches. This background explains why Rubio's lawyer warned that "entertaining Mr. Librace's argument would jeopardize centuries of precedent."
That is precisely what Trump aims to do, but so far his plan has not fared well in the courts. The Supreme Court is expected to take up the issue during its next term.
Where will Rubio stand then? According to Pigott, the secretary of state is "100 percent aligned with President Trump's agenda."
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And then yesterday, he explained how the retards in the media blindly and ignorantly criticizing anything and everything he's trying to do, even when it's a good thing, is fucking stupid. Watch:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8-DJbXyZmc
The fact that you have to resort to cheap insults and profanity when talking to and about people who disagree with you demonstrates your intellectual dishonesty.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIkvQHk_sWM
I suppose that Trump will have no other option but to deport Rubio?
Probably the best possible summary of this article.
Him, and those like him that are able to slip through the cracks of deportation, could be called the Rubio Slippers. There’s no Cw like home.
JS;dr
Wong was a citizen because his parents were permanent legal residents! That destroys your whole argument. I'm not surprised you left it out.
Well, Sullum is a liar and a shitweasel, so this is unsurprising.
I would assume it's the same for Rubio's parents. I completely disagree with Rubio's defense there even if I understand that is unfortunately the way citizenship has been granted in spite of all rational evidence that it is a bad interpretation.
In what other situation do you actively violate the laws and end up granted rights not afforded to your peers?
Reason and especially Sullum can't be honest.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/media/bank-executives-blow-whistle-how-obama-biden-admins-pressured-them-debank-conservatives
Please explain how Trump is ushering in an age of fascism by ordering the government and industry to stop colluding? Collusion ordered by the Obama administration and continued during the Biden one.
That's the good fascism.
The Biden presidency will be known as the years of fascism.
Luckily, we escaped another four years of such and even worse when Trump defeated the Marxist duo of Harris/Walz.
>As a presidential candidate in 2016, Marco Rubio defended the conventional understanding of birthright citizenship,
Sullum, there are a lot of views and beliefs I hold because I have never felt the need to examine their factual underpinnings. When I need to examine those underpinnings and the actual facts contradict my previous understanding of what the facts are - I change my belief or views.
Its entirely possible Rubio had, like every single one of us, just assumed birthright citizenship was the proper interpretation of the law.
Trump says its not. Trump's had lawyers pick it over. Trump's people have looked at those analyses - and they changed their minds.
Also, he's an administration functionary - the old man has given his marching orders so there's going to have to be some real important reason or evidence before a top administration official breaks rank.
So Rubio saying something different now is not unexpected and means nothing, really - let's remember that Obama himself contradicted himself from one month to the next as it suited his plan. You can keep your doctor and then no the fuck you can't unless you're super-rich. You were fine with that.
Now, is the analysis good enough for the USSC? I don't know. We'll see. But with this administration's record I'd be hesitant to bet against them.
Sullum continues to demand we ignore the actual decades long discussion on the actual enactment of birthright citizenship and it's question regarding coverage. Under Obama even liberal scholars questioned if birthright to illegals were covered.
As you point out, sullum is merely arguing everyone ignore the actual fact basis of the argument.
My belief is Sullum knows the argument is valid and exists but is desperate to deny it does as he realizes his desire is opposite reality.
It's also possible to see it as fine so long as it's not being abused. 9 years ago was very different on that front from today after the Biden admin did everything it could to wreck America. It's also possible he was just looking at it as a Cuban with a Cuban constituency in Florida and not on a nationwide basis.
Birthright citizenship as interpreted by the Dems would be/is a pathological hole in the Constitution.
It's also worth saying that many Republicans haven't liked Rubio because of stances like that. I hated the pick, but have been pleasantly surprised by him.
>and a longstanding, bipartisan consensus about its meaning.
Lots of longstanding bipartisan consensuses - until its not beneficial to one side to pretend anymore.
The right has been complaining about anchor babies for decades. It hasn't been a concensus. It has just been how the system functioned and for some reason a case hasn't made it to the SC yet to challenge it. Trump's EO does that.
JS;dr
Reason;dr.
Rubio had a spine recently installed. Quite an impressive upgrade.
I think the surgeons made a mistake and did an ear augmentation instead...as evident by those Dumbo ears and his absolute beta to Trump's alpha.
Add reconning to the long list of things that Trumpians and leftists have in common.
RINO Rubio and leftists have a lot in common.
That's why they are called Republican In Name Only (RINO)s.
Trump is the least RINO of the last century.
Precisely why he upsets Leftards so much.
Trump is an 80s Democrat. He is the very definition of a RINO.
In the land of "Identify-as" being everything one needs to know.
Youre the definition of Maddow watching leftist retard ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Sarc will be one of the few viewers of the new Rachel Maddow show on PMS NOW.
Another word you dont understand. Also another sign of your ignorance. Coverage of thr amendment goes back to the fucking debates on the amendment retard.
It is you and other open borders retards denying reality and history of the facts.
Rubio is an anchor baby? Our secretary of state is an illegal alien?
A quick Google search says his parents came to the US legally and had visas when he was born. They were naturalized years later. I'm open to debating whether legal permanent residency is enough to automatically confer citizenship to a child. Unfortunately for Sullum and his framing, this isn't the argument he is engaging with.
It's a living constitution and Trump is breathing fresh life into it by making it mean exactly the opposite of what it meant last year.
Poor shrike. Even when given contemporary evidence of the meaning, he doubles down on his own ignorance.
Ever think of actually investigating your blindly accepted claims shrike? Or is that too much work and gets in the way of your dark web child porn?
It's becoming harder and harder to distinguish Trumpism from a leftist movement. Similarities include redefining words, reinterpreting the Constitution, massive tax increases, treating criticism of Dear Leader as a mental illness, inability to tell right or wrong without knowing attributes of the people involved, mocking Western decadence, blaming all problems on a scapegoat, accusing anyone who opposes the how of opposing the what, only supporting the Constitution when convenient, willful ignorance of economics, authority worship, retconning, disavowing friends and family who won't join the movement, and on and on it goes.
I'd say it is not just indistinguishable from leftism. It is leftism by definition.
It's a socially conservative, government-control-of-the-economy, anti-immigration, nationalist party led by a strong power-consolidating leader that favors enforcement of rule of law by soldiers on the streets.
Too bad history has no precedent for such a thing or we could make a guess at how this turns out.
I'm thinking that that left/right paradigm is actually a circle. So far-left and far-right converge into authoritarianism, rather than being opposite ends of a line.
Look at you abd Mike cope together. Both constantly called out, Mike as recently yesterday in his support of anarchotyranny.
If either of you ever bothered to actually read history, libertarian essays and books, etc you'd look less ridiculous.
Thanks for noticing.
Now check out Ron Paul's latest liberty report
https://rumble.com/v6xsoqq-unilateral-tariffs-endless-wars-and-the-march-toward-authoritarianism.html?mref=jcwo5&mc=2sdbb
He noticed something, or are you being sarcastic? I don't bother reading his comments because they're always about me as a person, not about what I say.
He called me out for being in "support of anarchotyranny." This is a huge status improvement for me here.
Anarchotyranny is a complete oxymoron.
Anarchy comes from the prefix "an" and the word "archon". "An" means "no" and "archon" means "ruler". So "anarchy" means "no ruler". Anyone with a basic knowledge of Greek roots can figure that one out.
The Greek root for tyranny is "tyrannos" which meant a ruler who seized power without a legal or traditional right. Though now it means cruel and oppressive rule.
So anarchotyranny is like saying blinding darkness.
The guy is a complete and total moron.
I can hear the meat slapping from you guys' circle jerk from over here.
Anarcho Tyranny is a legitimate phrase as well. No wonder people focus on your strawman bs.
It's as dumb as the Occupy Wall Street idiots demanding Marxism and anarchy at the same time. And that sound is my hate club fapping to their insults. You should join them. You'd totally fit in. Pun intended. Especially being a sailor. Everyone knows what you Navy guys do in the dark.
I can hear the meat slapping from you guys' circle jerk from over here
Any observations of continual daily MAGA circle jerks, Sherlock?
hahahaha
Never been in any military service. Just grew up racing sailboats.
It hilarious when you get proven wrong so you double down.
"Oh well, even its legitimate and people and news orgs around the world use the term, I think its dumb." Crazy
I find it humorous that the MAGAs will continually accuse anyone in agreement about criticism of Trump of having a circle-jerk, yet when people who incorporate my name into their fucking handle gang up like catty teenage girls, they don't say a peep.
I called out your circle jerk because you just reply to people who agree with you. Its clear you don't actually mute anyone. You just prefer your echo chamber of "you're rights" from your clique.
And I think calling you out in usernames and random comments that you aren't a part of is pretty damn childish. But the one thing I can get on board with is how often you use strawmen and repeating phrases. Its tired
I called out your circle jerk because you just reply to people who agree with you.
I mute people who respond to all of my comments with "you" statements. They want to make me the subject of the conversation. And I'm not going to play. As the saying goes, "Don't wrestle in the mud with pigs. You get dirty and the pig enjoys it."
Its clear you don't actually mute anyone.
So you believe anything if people repeat them enough. Not a surprise.
And I think calling you out in usernames and random comments that you aren't a part of is pretty damn childish.
Yet you'll never ever call them out on it. Nope. But you will attack me for it. Hmmmmm.
But the one thing I can get on board with is how often you use strawmen and repeating phrases.
So you don't know what a strawman is. A strawman is an argument. Like when Jesse or any of the other trolls argue against something I never said. That's a strawman.
As far as repeating phrases goes, when they stop excusing Trump by pointing at Democrats, I will stop pointing it out.
Its tired
Yes, they are tiresome. Yet you attack me for it. What a joke you are.
Good luck finding anything close to me being a part of the MAGA shit that keeps you guys up at night.
That's cool. I'm not accusing you of being a Trumper. I'm just protesting the insult when there is so much more on the other side not being called out.
Ron Paul calls it as he sees it.
Ron Paul, the greatest president America never had.
And when Ron Paul creates a bill REPEALING all the [D] F'Ups....
The biggest opposition will come from the [D]'s.
That's why there is no Executive Over-reach Repealing going on.
It's getting harder and harder not to laugh at your coping. Lol.
Shhh... Trumpers are not allowed to talk about "the before" times.
Rubio was criticized for it then. It's one of the reasons MAGA types loudly criticized Trump for picking Rubio. Some people actually have principles rather than being driven by tribe and cults of personality.
Sayyyy, isn't little Marco's family connected to the Cuban mob in Miami?
In 1924 Congress passed the Indian Citizenship Act, saying American Indians would be considered to be citizens under the 14th Amendment and could vote. No one has challenged the right of Congress to clarify parts of the 14th Amendment. If Congress is found to not have the authority, then Indians can not vote and all elections after 1925are invalid.
If we accept Congress can clarify parts of the 14th Amendment then they can clarify birthright citizenship, just as they did for Indians.
Article 2 of the Constitution does not give the POTUS the power to change the meaning of the 14th Amendment.
But Article 5 of 14A clearly gives Congress the power to extend the definition of birthright citizenship to exclude children of non-citizen, temporary workers who are not even arguably domiciled or under the jurisdiction or protection of the United States.
It would be both wise and gracious if the Congress would provide an exception for children whose parents have met requirements regarding the number of years of residency in the USA, past payment of US taxes, and sponsorship and references by US citizens who have known or are related to an applicant.
If they can be arrested for committing crimes then they're under the jurisdiction of the United States.
If you can be arrested for committing crimes against them then they're under the protection of the United States.
So tell me, can they be arrested for committing crimes, and can you be arrested for committing crimes against them?
That's territorial jurisdiction the 14th is about personal jurisdiction. Personal jurisdiction is the authority the US government has over you no matter where you are in the world. US citizens having to pay US taxes even though they don't work in the US is an example of personal jurisdiction.
Aimed congress never did that, they don’t count, and the SCOTUS must correctly affirm that with a level ruling.
No more anchor babies.
Umm,
That could potentially solve some immigration issues. You don't seem to be paying attention to the rules of the game the two parties are playing
I guess that we will see if birthright citizenship is constitutional or not. The initial intent was for slaves, but not for native americans. There are also other limitations in play that the author seems to neglect.
Using common sense and the actual amendment, birthright citizenship should be restricted. The argument is to what extent it should be restricted, not that it is unrestricted or should not be restricted.
If both parents are in the country illegally, then the common rule across the majority of countries in the world would be that the child would not be a citizen. The child would inherit the status of the parent.
Likewise, if one of the parents are in the country legally, the child would inherit the status of the parent and would be in the country legally. I would go one step further and grant birthright citizenship upon the child even if the parent is legally in the country, but was not a citizen.
You could carry the scenario to the extreme to illustrate the folly of the author's position. Malicious countries could invade the country through illegal immigration with the intent to give birth to children and then because the child was granted citizenship, anchor the surrounding adults and extended family.
Apportionment of congressional seats have been tied to inhabitants, not citizens. In fact the census removed the question citizenship to ensure that there was not an accurate count. I'm assuming that this was deliberate, but knowing the government gross incompetence could also be a factor.
The society of the United States is a melding of cultures, but recent immigration and refugee settlement seem to be more like foreign enclaves which is counterproductive for assimilation or melding into out amalgamated society. Immigrants and refugees are less understood and more threatening if they remain isolated in their group. This create an us/them scenario and resentment build on both sides.
I'm 100% on board with legal immigration and 100% against illegal immigration. I do feel that like everything the government does, it is incompetent and it costs too much, takes too long and only for a semblance of faux security (much like the TSA). I would like to know who is coming into the country, what their intent is, if they have criminal intentions, criminal past, if they are spreading disease, where they are planning to live, how they plan to become a productive member of society, if they have a goal of becoming a citizen, where their loyalties lie, etc. This can probably be determined within 30-60 days easily mostly through a series of interviews.
I don't have a problem with a foreign worker program, but would not grant birthright citizenship to a temporary worker's child. I understand the need for temporary workers and how it can benefit the farmers and temporary workers whose allegiance is their home country and not the United States.
The entire issue of birthright citizenship is far more complex than the author pretends. We still live in a nation state, we do still have borders, we still have a safety net, and we still have an out of control national debt.
Our current national debt is not sustainable, let alone opening the doors and funding the world. It simply is not sustainable, not to mention the risk of altering amalgamated society too fast and too far to be recognizable.
Does Trump go too far? Yes, at times he does however he is not unique. Pretending that Trump is anything other that another president that is working his agenda, just like every other president is lying to yourself.
Although I didn't vote for Trump, he is not evil incarnate, not a bumbling fool nor 4-D chess master, not the reincarnation of Adolf Hitler or Mother Theresa. He is simply a politician who has garnered the votes of roughly half of the ballots cast the last 3 election cycles.
The voters have spoken, so accept their decision and stop all the TDS BS. Instead of injecting TDS BS into every subject, debate issues on the merit of the issues themselves. You may find out that there are elements of the opposition's argument that you agree with. That there is some common ground to work with.
Keep us with the TDS BS and your will only alienate people who like me didn't vote for Trump, have never voted for Trump, don't really like Trump, but understand that everything isn't about Trump and despise that you make everything about Trump.
Trump actually has some good ideas and some bad ideas. So what! The same thing can be said of Obama, Clinton, Bush, and Biden.
Nothing new here, so get over it and get a grip.
I am tired of these bad faith pseudo-originalist arguments. Does anyone really believe that the authors and signers of the 14th Amendment intended for citizenship to be granted to anyone illegally present in the country? Did they ever write about it? Did they write other laws or propose amendments that extend other rights to illegally present individuals?
Originalism doesn't mean trying to divine a "what would the founders have done" answer to a question they couldn't fathom when they lived. I am done with anti-originalists trying to define what real originalism is.
The good faith purpose of originalism is to understand text as it was understood at the time. There is zero mention of illegally present individuals in both the text and supporting documentation of the authors of the 14th amendment. You can read records about Congressional debates on the amendment. Nobody mentioned illegal immigrants.
This gross misunderstanding of 14A is like the intentional misreading of 2A that suggests the right is tied to militia participation. Why is jurisdiction mentioned? Because it emphasizes that mere presence in the country is inadequate.
Senator Jacob Howard, who wrote the jurisdiction clause, further expanded:
“I do not propose to say anything on that subject except that the question of citizenship has been so fully discussed in this body as not to need any further elucidation, in my opinion. This amendment which I have offered is simply declaratory of what I regard as the law of the land already, that every person born within the limits of the of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. It settles the great question of citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or are not citizens of the United States. This has long been a great desideratum in the jurisprudence and legislation of this country.”
Allegiance to a foreign power has ALWAYS been understood as making oneself a "foreigner" to the United States. The Indian clause was added due to questions about the quasi-legal status of Tribal territory. It was clarification, not a contradiction.
What was the purpose of 14A? To unequivocally grant former slaves citizenship. Illegal immigrants are not slaves. Slaves were brought here against their will and made subjects of the United States. Illegal immigrants chose to come here.
The real debate is over anchor babies. These people are not foreigners or aliens. They have no allegiance to another power.
Senator Edgar Cowan, said:
"is it proposed that the people of California are to remain quiescent while they are overrun by a flood of immigration of the Mongol race? Are they to be immigrated out of house and home by Chinese…. they are in possession of the country of California, and if another people of a different race, of different religion, of different manners, of different traditions, different tastes and sympathies are to come there and have the free right to locate there and settle among them, and if they have an opportunity of pouring in such an immigration as in a short time will double or treble the population California, I ask, are the people of California powerless to protect themselves?”
This is the exact problem we're dealing with today. We're giving citizenship and power to people who are NOT on our team. They're voting for themselves. I don't blame them for doing that, but we are not powerless to act. These people are not citizens. Do the children of robbers keep what the robber stole?
This is why DACA was so controversial. There is a real debate here that cannot be resolved by executive fiat. The children of illegal immigrants are not at fault, but that doesn't give them license to hurt us by opening the flood gates. We already have the children of illegal immigrants serving in Congress and advocating for blanket amnesty. The enemy is long past the gates at this point.
Whatever this country decides, please inform yourself and look into Congressional archives about the debates surrounding the 14th Amendment. There never was a consensus on this issue and Sullum is a liar per usual.
Pseudo-originalism demands that we 1:1 follow the words of vile racists. Check the debate records and find out for yourself. Once you do, you'll find out:
1. Many were concerned about the text extending legal status to undesirable population (Chinese, Gypsies, Indians, etc.)
2. Indians were excluded on purpose to assuage fears of Indians claiming citizenship.
3. Children of immigrants were debated with no reference to legal status. Why were concerns over language dismissed? Not because everyone agreed children should be given citizenship, but because the population thereof was small and dismissed as trivial. Here's what Senator John Conness (from California btw) said:
"“The proposition before us…. relates simply…to the children begotten of Chinese parents in California, and it is proposed to declare that they shall be citizens…. I am in favor of doing so. The children of Mongolian parentage, born in California, is very small indeed, and never promises to be large…. The habits of those people, and their religion, appear to demand that they all return to their own country at some time or other, either alive or dead. There are, perhaps in California today about forty thousand Chinese—from forty to forty-five thousand…. Another feature connected with them is, that they do not bring their females to our country but in very small numbers, and rarely ever in connection with families; so that their progeny in California is very small indeed…. Indeed, it is only in exceptional cases that they have children in our State….”
The greatest fallacy contained in the pro-birthright citizenship argument is argument by omission. The fact that Congress did not clarify if the statute applied to children of immigrants, legal or illegal, is NOT evidence of intending for it to do so. These men were awful racists by our standards. Anyone who expects you to be that literal with originalism is arguing in bad faith.
"Too much of a good thing is wonderful!" - the real Liberace