A First Amendment Lawsuit Highlights the Chilling Impact of Speech-Based Deportation on Student Journalists
The Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression is seeking an injunction that would protect noncitizens at The Stanford Daily from arrest and removal because of their published work.

After the Trump administration began targeting international students for arrest and deportation based on their anti-Israel views, editors at The Stanford Daily say, noncitizen staff members began to worry that their journalism could jeopardize their ability to remain in the United States. As a result, several writers at Stanford University's student newspaper declined to cover stories involving the war in Gaza or the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. In some cases, they even asked that their previous work be removed from the internet, lest it jeopardize their visas. The editors also heard from sources whose views on Israeli policy or Palestinian rights had been quoted in the paper, who asked that their names and photos be excised from online articles.
Those chilling effects are at the center of a lawsuit that the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression (FIRE) filed on Wednesday in the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California. In addition to The Stanford Daily, the plaintiffs include two former university students, identified as Jane Doe and John Doe, who say they have censored themselves in response to the government's speech-based deportation policy. That policy, FIRE argues, violates the First Amendment by punishing protected speech based on content and viewpoint. The lawsuit says the policy also violates the Fifth Amendment's guarantee of due process because it is unconstitutionally vague.
The plaintiffs are seeking declaratory judgments on those points and injunctions barring the defendants, Secretary of State Marco Rubio and Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem, from seeking to deport Stanford Daily staff members, John Doe, or Jane Doe based on speech protected by the First Amendment. "In the United States of America, no one should fear a midnight knock on the door for voicing the wrong opinion," says FIRE attorney Conor Fitzpatrick. "Free speech isn't a privilege the government hands out. Under our Constitution it is the inalienable right of every man, woman, and child."
The lawsuit focuses on the Trump administration's use of two Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) provisions. One of them, 8 USC 1227 (as qualified by 8 USC 1182), makes a noncitizen subject to removal when the secretary of state determines that his "beliefs, statements, or associations," although "lawful," threaten to "compromise a compelling United States foreign policy interest." Rubio invoked that provision against former Columbia University graduate student Mahmoud Khalil, a legal permanent resident who was arrested on March 8 and detained for three months because of his participation in campus protests against the war in Gaza.
The other INA provision, 8 USC 1201, authorizes the secretary of state to "at any time, in his discretion, revoke" a "visa or other documentation." Rubio invoked that provision against Tufts University graduate student Rumeysa Ozturk, who was arrested on March 25 and detained for a month a half because she had co-authored a Tufts Daily op-ed piece that expressed support for the Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions movement against Israel.
The Trump administration has detained several other students and scholars on similar grounds, arguing that their pro-Palestinian advocacy amounted to antisemitism or rhetorical support for Hamas. The arrestees—including Khalil, the first target—dispute those characterizations. But even if they were accurate, the speech at issue would still be constitutionally protected.
President Donald Trump and his underlings concede as much. During his 2024 campaign, the lawsuit notes, Trump repeatedly promised to arrest and deport student protesters whose advocacy he viewed as antisemitic, pro-terrorist, or anti-American, even if they had not broken the law by engaging in violence, vandalism, or other disruptive activities. Rubio likewise conceded that Khalil's activism was "otherwise lawful," and he conflated Ozturk, whose only offense seems to be publishing that op-ed piece, with vandals and rioters.
White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt said Khalil was removable because he was guilty of "siding with terrorists, Hamas terrorists who have killed innocent men, women and children." John Armstrong, senior bureau official at the State Department's Bureau of Consular Affairs, has testified that, in determining whether someone is removable, support for terrorism might be inferred from speech describing Israel as an "apartheid state," "calling for an arms embargo on Israel," or "criticizing Israel's actions in Gaza." Deputy Homeland Security Secretary Troy Edgar explained that Khalil was subject to deportation because he "put himself in the middle of the process of basically pro-Palestinian activity."
The Trump administration does not claim any of this advocacy, however it is characterized, falls outside the rights guaranteed by the First Amendment. Rather, it claims those rights do not apply in the context of visa revocation or deportation.
The Supreme Court has not definitively settled that question. But in the 1945 case Bridges v. Wixon, it recognized that "freedom of speech and of press is accorded aliens residing in this country." And although the Court subsequently allowed deportations based on Communist Party membership, that decision hinged on a government-friendly First Amendment standard that the justices later renounced—a standard that also allowed criminal punishment of U.S. citizens based on their political affiliations.
Several federal appeals courts have held that the First Amendment does constrain deportation decisions. That question is at the center of a lawsuit that a federal judge in Boston is considering. The American Association of University Professors and the Middle East Studies Association are asking U.S. District Judge William Young for a preliminary injunction against the Trump administration's "ideological deportation policy," which they say amounts to blatant viewpoint discrimination and government retaliation for speech protected by the First Amendment.
If Young does issue an injunction, it could protect the noncitizen members of those organizations. But in light of the Supreme Court's recent ruling against "universal injunctions," it won't extend to people outside those groups, such as student journalists at Stanford. In addition to seeking protection for those students, FIRE hopes its lawsuit will ultimately result in "a landmark ruling that the First Amendment forbids the government from deporting lawfully present noncitizens for constitutionally protected speech."
Toward that end, the lawsuit highlights the impact of the Trump administration's speech-focused deportation policy on The Stanford Daily. "Lawfully present noncitizen students working at and contributing to Stanford Daily have self-censored expression for fear of visa revocation, arrest, detention, and deportation," it says. The complaint cites a student who quit the paper after Khalil's arrest; a reporter who researched a story about "a vigil that brought together Jewish and Palestinian families to honor those who died in the conflict in Gaza" but decided that publishing it would be too risky; and three staff members who, for the same reason, asked the paper to remove articles they had already published. According to the lawsuit, The Stanford Daily "has received other requests from current and former writers, asking it to remove opinion editorials they published, quotes they provided, or their names in bylines or articles."
The complaint adds that The Stanford Daily "has received numerous requests from lawfully present noncitizens who either wrote or were quoted or pictured in articles to remove their name, image, or article for fear of adverse immigration action based on their speech." Since March, FIRE says, "international students have also largely stopped talking to Stanford Daily journalists and, when they do speak, often refuse to speak on the record, particularly when it comes to discussing topics like Israel and Palestine."
In short, "there's real fear on campus," says Stanford Daily Editor in Chief Greta Reich, "and it reaches into the newsroom. I've had reporters turn down assignments, request the removal of some of their articles, and even quit the paper because they fear deportation for being associated with speaking on political topics, even in a journalistic capacity. The Daily is losing the voices of a significant portion of our student population."
The lawsuit describes a similar chilling impact on former student Jane Doe. It says she had "publicly criticized American foreign policy, particularly its relationship with Israel." But after the Canary Mission, a private organization that highlights activists it deems "anti-Israel," listed her on its website, she decided to stop "publishing and voicing her true opinions regarding Palestine and Israel." She also "deleted a social media account to guard against retaliation for past expression." The lawsuit notes that the Department of Homeland Security has relied on information from the Canary Mission to identify potentially deportable individuals.
Prior to Khalil's detention, which Trump said was "the first arrest of many to come," John Doe "attended pro-Palestinian protests and published pro-Palestinian/anti-Israel commentary online," the lawsuit says. He "participated in chants including, 'From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free,' as well as chants accusing Israel of committing 'genocide.'" But after Khalil's arrest, he "refrained from publishing a study containing criticism of Israel's actions in Gaza, which John Doe views as a genocide backed by the United States' foreign policy." Although he "has resumed engaging in protected pro-Palestinian/anti-Israel commentary," he is aware that "his continuing expression places him in danger" of visa revocation and deportation.
One need not share the anti-Israel views expressed by Stanford Daily contributors, Jane Doe, or John Doe to recognize that all of this speech is constitutionally protected. Legally, the only question is whether that means those opinions cannot justify revoking their visas and expelling them from the United States.
"Two lawful residents of the United States holding the same sign at the same protest shouldn't be treated differently just because one's here on a visa," says FIRE Legal Director Will Creeley. "The First Amendment bars the government from punishing protected speech—period. In our free country, you shouldn't have to show your papers to speak your mind."
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Will you look at that. tReason has gone full fascist. They're defending antisemitism and that's the same as being Hitler.
Not shocked to see you celebrating importing anti semites given you and qbs love of hamas propaganda.
Actual sane and intelligent people realize there is no right to entry jnto a country and importing nazis, terrorists, and antisemites is a bad thing. Have enough of you fucking assholes here already.
Bullshit. Even Nazis have First Amendment rights.
Citizens who are nazis? Yes.
Imports who hate Americans and our allies? Send them home. There are conditions on visas. You'll be slinging the same shit for illegals' speech in the next Sullum article.
Where is the "import" exception to the 1A in the Constitution? Quote it. If you can't then you're just like leftists who only support the Constitution when convenient and spend the rest of their time shitting on it. Like leftists you support two tiers of laws. One for "us" and one for "them." Liberty and justice for all? Nope. Just us.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
"The people" is the citizenry, not visa holders. If you choose to argue that "the people" is everyone, where is the line?
Just because someone is standing on American soil (including embassies) does not afford them BOR protections.
There are entitled to basic human rights, and a free flight home if they break the terms of their visas.
The 14A clearly extends BOR protections to everyone, not just citizens. Unless you're going to be like leftists (and Jesses) who redefine words in order to change the plain meaning of the Constitution and the law.
Full retard it is.
Was there ever any doubt?
I like how you edited your retarded post. Originally: care you saying foreigners aren't people?'
And he isnt the one redefining words. The words used in legal documents, including the constitution, have intentional definitions.
I'm sorry you failed civics.
Unless you think the people during the writing of the constitution also applied to the British monarchy they just left. Lol.
Go to Venezuela and tell their citizens our BOR has them covered, see how that works out for you. Oh, and tell an illegal alien they have a right to buy firearms, it's right there in the constitution.
So non citizens aren't people. Okay, at least we know you are a Nazi now.
And you claim some education?!
This is such a tired retort, especially when the post you’re responding to literally says they are “entitled to basic human rights”.
You would think after 20 years y'all would get new material.
“ "The people" is the citizenry, not visa holders. If you choose to argue that "the people" is everyone, where is the line?”
No, it isn’t. Definitively, according to the actual text (there is no “people=citizen” clause in the Constitution). The people is all people. Rights belong to all people by virtue of being people. Plus SCOTUS has upheld that interpretation repeatedly.
So unless this activist Court goes way, way further than even they seem to be willing to go, Constitutional rights will continue to be natural rights held by all people, not bestowed by the government.
“ Just because someone is standing on American soil (including embassies) does not afford them BOR protections.”
Yes, it does. Apparently you don’t understand the “inalienable” part of rights.
Rights are held by all people by virtue of being living, breathing human beings. They are not bestowed by government.
“ There are entitled to basic human rights, and a free flight home if they break the terms of their visas.”
Having opinions that the government dislikes doesn’t violate the terms of a visa. No matter how many times MAGA fools say it.
(there is no “people=citizen” clause in the Constitution). The people is all people. Rights belong to all people by virtue of being people.
So, the COTUS BOR covers the Latvians? Columbians? Egyptians? Every mother fucker on earth?
God damn you're fucking retarded. The violations are an agreement taken on by the US Government and the person applying for a Visa. It is a contracts issue, not a 1a issue. This has been upheld at SCOTUS for decades and decades.
Stop being retarded.
So your contention is that contracts which waive fundamental human rights are valid? Because they aren't. You cannot sell yourself into slavery, for example.
So an NDA now waivea a fundamental human right?
Does any leftist here not have a retarded view?
Nobody is forcing foreigners to come here retard fuck.
He's a raging case of TDS-addled shit.
As a libertarian I disagree. You can absolutely sell yourself into slavery.
What a retarded thing to say. Yes. You waive your rights via written contracts all the time. You waive a lot of things, including a portion of your 1A rights when you enter the military. And there are very few jobs where you don’t agree to limit your speech in various ways to maintain a professional environment.
So yes, the federal government can absolutely demand limits on speech for foreigners seeking residency here.
“ The violations are an agreement taken on by the US Government and the person applying for a Visa”
And holding opinions the government doesn’t like isn’t a violation of the visa terms. No matter how hard you try to redefine things.
So even if it’s only a contract issue (which it isn’t), it’s still a loser for the government.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed
Everyone everywhere HAS the rights enshrined in our Constitution, and they can institute a government to secure those rights.
But not everyone has done this.
Citizens of the US HAVE a government that their predecessors instituted to secure those rights.
Non-citizens do not.
While they are here they are permitted to enjoy those rights--but as privilege, as something agreed to by their government and ours as a facet of their visas.
That all depends on who, not what. You know, like everything else Trumpians stand for. Just like leftists they can't decide right and wrong without taking off the blindfold. Leftists need to know the skin color of everyone involved, and Trumpians need to know politics and immigration status.
This makes no sense except to other Maddow watching retards. Just an FYI.
This issue has been adjudicated and ruled on by SCOTUS almost a century prior to Trump.
Fucking retard.
What part of being held to an agreement you agreed to is Nazism?
The part where Trump!!1!1!
Poor sarcbot.
Poor Sarcasmisek.
JS; dr
There is no issue with them speaking out against the US. They will just be doing that from their homes and no longer as an at-will guest in the US, a foreign country to them. Buh-bye.
Even at will guests have First Amendment rights.
Wrong.
charliehall.
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They can have their visas revoked and shipped off back to their homes. It has happened, it is happening, and will continue to happen if any of those guests violate the terms of their visa.
You're taunting a Jewish guy for defending the rights of immigrants to say bad things about Jews. Classy.
Not taunting him; he’s being deported for not adhering to the conditions of his at-will permission to remain in the US.
When I travel abroad, which at times is frequent, I usually double check the DoS website for travel advisories to those areas. They advise against participating in demonstrations or other political activity. Some indicate one can be detained and/or deported for violating that as a visitor.
You can cry about what he was crying about all you want as well as cry about him being deported. But only one of you can cry about it here after he’s gone.
Don’t worry, sarc’s gonna keep crying plenty.
See?
Not taunting him
Sure you are.
It has happened, it is happening, and will continue to happen
That is taunting and you know it. Like I said. Classy.
As I said, you are free to cry about what he is crying about and you are also free to cry about him being sent off home.
Classy is violating the contract you have when visiting elsewhere. Super classy on his part. He got whistled for taunting and has been given a career misconduct penalty. Again, he’s free to say whatever when he is back home.
"Like school at five in the mornin'"
Keep crying.
https://tenor.com/view/black-dude-crying-cry-emotional-gif-14046052
Are these the "ideas" you talk about so often?
“ Not taunting him; he’s being deported for not adhering to the conditions of his at-will permission to remain in the US.”
Which condition did he violate?
Not if there is no reason for the revocation other than the party in power doesn't like what they have to day. First Amendment.
They violated their contract and it is being revoked. Buh-bye.
How did they violate their contract?
Wrong.
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“ if any of those guests violate the terms of their visa.”
And which term did they violate?
Not when they contextually waive them dumbass. See my comment above. Citizens do this all the time. As do you. You’re just too stupid to realize that.
There is room for compromise. They can stay in the US and be executed
What type of speech? Supporting designated terrorists? Wait. That's a violation of their visa. How dare we add conditions to a visa and force them to enter the country.
This article the day after reasons favorite student terrorist once again self declared his support of Hamas in an interview with Ezra Klein. Amazing.
Libertarians for banning speech I don't agree with.
Nobody is banning speech retard.
Like sarc you dont understand what conditions are agreed to by migrants when taking on a VISA. Like sarc you're fucking retarded.
He isnt being tried for a criminal act dumdum. He is violating conditions he agreed to.
How do you retards not understand? It isnt libertarian to demand importation of enemies. He agrees woth zero libertarian ideals. He agrees with terrorism and murder based on race. His group coordinated with actual terrorists. His group attacked others based on religion.
Fuck off retard.
Kike or Kike-lover?
Antisemite or flat-out Nazi shit?
“ you dont understand what conditions are agreed to by migrants when taking on a VISA”
Every accusation is an admission. What condition did they violate? And no, they didn’t support a terrorist organization. That’s just more unfounded nonsense from MAGA.
Brain-dead TDS-addled lying piles of shit for not enforcing contracts.
Fuck off and die, asswipe.
They can say whatever they want they want……. From outside this country.
Are you really this retarded? Or are you just being willfully obtuse? Or are you just Pedo Jeffy?
“ Supporting designated terrorists? Wait. That's a violation of their visa”
Except for the part where they didn’t support designated terrorists. Redefining terms is becoming a required aspect of supporting Trump these days.
You know, anti-semitism and hatred of Jews is an absolute shame on the United States of America that must stamped out at all costs...
...unless it comes from the Left.
You know, xenophobia and hatred of foreigners is an absolute shame on the United States of America that must stamped out at all costs...
...unless it comes from the Right.
Hatred of American citizens seems to be your preferred and democrats preferred stance.
Keep crying, stupid bitch.
I am Jewish. I am more afraid of ICE and the Trump Administration that the anti-Semites at some universities.
Oh and I am a professor who has never suffered from anti-Semitism in a 30 year career.
"I am more afraid of ICE and the Trump Administration that the anti-Semites at some universities.
You are a liar and an ignoramus.
TBF he would be marching with the antisemitic terrorist supporters so not much reason to fear allies.
You’re also dumb as a box of rocks so nobody gives a shit.
Took the words outta my mouth.
I have never seen a corpse raped on a subway by a rapefugee illegal alien but because I haven’t seen that doesn’t mean it hasn’t happened. In fact, it did happen right in that soon-to-be collectivist paradise known as New York City.
Unless you live in San Jose, San Diego, San Francisco, or Boston, I am safer here in NYC than the large city you live in.
I am in Nashville right now. Great city. Homicide rate double that of NYC.
I live in an area that has a violent crime rate an order of magnitude less than shithole NYC. It is also Constitutional carry.
Nashville is heavy blue. It has a D mayor. Kamala got 181862 votes versus 102256 for Trump.
You are also a lying pile of shit. No one believes your bullshit.
In the list of things that are false, this is the most false.
I don’t believe for a moment that you’re Jewish. Any more than I believe you graduated from Harvard. Oh, you may come from a Jewish family, but I have no doubt you’re spiritually an atheist. Which completely fits your Marxist worldview.
Criticizing the government of Israel is necessarily anti-semitic because if you disagree with a Jew, you must hate all Jews. And supporting Palestinians necessarily means supporting Hamas because 100% of Palestinians are in Hamas.
Look at you have to talk down what his actual statements are, defending rape and murder of Jewish people. Lol.
Even you know you're full of shit in defense based on how you choose to defend his words.
He sure sounds like Jeffy, doesn’t he?
"Criticizing the government of Israel is necessarily anti-semitic because if you disagree with a Jew, you must hate all Jews.
Said no one here except for the lying pile of TDS-addled slimy lefty shit Fu Manchu.
Fuck off and die, shitstain.
I fight anti-Semitism whether it is from the left right, or center.
But I don't do it by breaking the law or overriding the Constitution.
charliehall lies as much as turd does.
Yeah he’s just having story time now.
You support jew haters. You vote democrat. Like your new idol Mamdani.
“ You know, anti-semitism and hatred of Jews is an absolute shame on the United States of America”
Yes it is.
“ that must stamped out at all costs...”
No, it shouldn’t. That’s the point of the First Amendment. Awful people believe awful things, but they can’t be prevented from saying those awful things.
Violence and speech aren’t the same thing. “Words are violence” was idiotic when the left said it and it’s still idiotic now that the right is embracing it. Like anti-vax, but for fundamental rights.
Citizens who are student journalists can say what they like.
Guests who are student journalists need to understand that they are guests and operate under a different set of obligations.
Where in the Constitution is the immigrant exception for "Congress shall make no law"? Must be next to assault weapon exception for "Shall not be infringed." The Right supports the first exception, the Left supports the second exception, and people with principles oppose both exceptions.
Where in the Constitution is the immigrant exception
The BOR is for the People of the United States of America. This is stated over and over again. Read the Preamble.
FYI - Illegals and visa holders are not immigrants.
The 14A states that everyone subject to the jurisdiction of the US has all the rights outlined in the BOA. As in if you can be arrested then you've got rights. If you can't be arrested (diplomats, enemy soldiers) then different rules apply. Unless you're going to play the leftist game of redefining words to change the clear meaning of the Constitution.
Your understanding of words and jurisprudence is worse than most reddit threads. Amazing.
If someone bought him a dictionary, he’d just hollow it out a store a flask in there.
Sarc sounds like a college freshman. And he’s as drunk as one too.
"As in if you can be arrested then you've got rights."
Doesn't the fact that people here on visas (student, tourist, or otherwise) or illegally not having to sign up for the draft or jury duty, not to mention a whole host of jobs and other things they are technically ineligible for, make that statement false though?
(This is why the debate over the meaning of jurisdiction is interesting to me.)
Illegal immigrants, invaders, visa violators and the like are not arrested.
They are detained
Alligator Alcatraz is not a prison. It is a detention center.
Because they are, in point of fact, NOT subject to the jurisdiction of the laws of the US.
Citizens are subject to the jurisdiction of the US
Legal non-citizens abide by the laws of the US but are subject to the jurisdiction of their home countries unless they are refugees whereupon they mush abide by the rules and laws that pertain to such status.
Illegal non-citizens are, by definition, avoiding the jurisdiction of the US.
Thus, neither legal or illegal non-citizens are covered by the 14th Amendment.
When it comes to redefining words, taking 'jurisdiction' to mean 'can be arrested by' IS a redefinition. One need not be subject to a particular jurisdiction to be arrested or detained in that jurisdiction.
So perhaps it is you who are engaging in "the leftist game of redefining words to change the clear meaning of the Constitution" as seems to be your wont.
How can you remain so ignorant to migration laws and regulations and decades of case law after all this time and all the citations you've been given.
Is it chosen retardation?
He chooses retardation every day when he pounds his liver with another quart of bottom shelf liquor. Also through his subservience to the democrat party.
Laws enacted by Congress setting the terms and conditions of the admission or exclusion of aliens is subject only to limited judicial review. Fiallo v. Bell, 430 U.S. 787, 793 fn.5 (1977). See also Harisiades v. Shaghnessy, 342 U.S. 580 (1952), cited in Fiallo, 430 U.S. at 792
Agree with Azathothil. I am not sure that the First Amendment's right to free speech applies to non-citizens, and more specifically, to those here on student visas. As one example of a Constitutional guarantee that is affected by borders, US citizens are subject to searches of their cars and persons without probable cause or warrant upon entering the USA at the border. It will be interesting to see read the Court's opinion.
Wrong. Guests have the same First Amendment rights as citizens.
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But they don’t have a right to be here. This isn’t a 1A issue at all.
There is not a criminal case against them. It is a simple deportation. A civil case.
No violation of rights whatsoever. Any more than getting fired if you call your boss a racial slur.
Private business isn't covered by the First Amendment. The government can't fire you just for your speech.
charliehall, racing turd in the lies competition.
They are not being fired. They violated the agreement they agreed to for the visa and, since they violated the terms, the visa is null and void.
“ Guests who are student journalists need to understand that they are guests and operate under a different set of obligations.”
Not true. As long as they adhere to the terms of their visas (and writing op-eds criticizing Israel is well within those terms), they get to express exactly as many disfavored opinions as anyone else.
Actually, it is not well within the terms. Hence, they are losing them.
What, exactly, does publishing an op-ed violate?
Yes. It IS true.
YOU said so--
BTW, note the TDS-addled lying pile of slimy shit Sullum cites his own opinion piece as evidence that such is happening.
Fuck off and die, asshole.
JS:DR -- just came straight to the comments, but I'm glad you point this out.
This is more and more common in Reason, citing your own or another reason "editor's" opinion piece in your articles. Frankly, it's chickenshit, and would never have passed muster in the pre-clickbait news world.
Editing here is a joke.
If they banned this Ronald Bailey would be hardest hit
Cite? Difficulty. No citing Bailey.
Imagine Bailey being unable to cite himself.
As Emma and Eric pointed out yesterday, JD Vance is wrong.
"One need not share the anti-Israel views expressed by Stanford Daily contributors, Jane Doe, or John Doe to recognize that all of this speech is constitutionally protected."
Avowed communists may be barred from entering the United States, or remain if they espouse communism, and they are prohibited from joining the military.
Why should non-citizen Shariah supremacists — no examples of John & Jane Doe's stated arguments are given, so may not apply here — be either allowed into the US, or remain once they show their colors?
Given that a Sharia law supremacist can even become President of the United States, your argument is faulty. And given that the Free Exercise Clause applies even to Sharia Law supremacists....
Sharia law does not apply to non Muslims. I am more worried about the Christian Nationalists who want to do things like ban all abortions. Would you deport them? They hate the Constitution more than anyone.
charliehall, going for the gold in the lies-per-word competition!
I can't believe he wrote that second paragraph with a straight face. It's not like there's no historical record of what the more let's go with "passionate" Muslims do when they gain power in a foreign land.
"Sharia law does not apply to non Muslims."
Oh good lord, you're serious?
Do you enjoy being laughably wrong?
A Sharia supremacist can become president *only if* native born.
This is about excluding, or ejecting, non-citizens. Sullum failed to notice non-citizens already do not enjoy the same speech and religious freedoms that citizens do.
Also, by definition, Sharia supremacists deeply desire to apply Islam to everyone. Just like communists.
As for abortions, one doesn't have to be a Christian nationalist to argue that all elective abortions are premeditated homicides. Or note that essentially all Christian nationalists are citizens.
Sollum's post is in regard to rights of non-citizens. It is already clear that they aren't the same as citizens.
Charlie, like JeffSarc, doesn’t believe in citizenship, or patriotism. These things are anathema to the Sorosite democrat.
>>noncitizen staff members began to worry that their journalism could jeopardize their ability to remain in the United States.
no kidding. nazi punks fuck off. you'll be the first to go unless you think.
Nah fam, these are just private companies doing what they want, right?
Okay, I read the article twice and I am a little confused since it seems that nobody at the Stanford Daily is facing deportation at the moment and what they want is a preliminary injunction saying that the government can't deport them. Isn't it premature for them to seek such an injunction? How do they yet have standing?
I wish them luck in voiding their own Visas with a judgement.
Courts do not seem to have the power to force Rubio to give anybody a visa or to hold them to the terms they agreed to.
Tenant: "This house sucks! The people who own it are racist, and all of you can go to hell."
Landlord: "I'm sorry I'm going to have to ask you to leave."
Tenant: "FREE SPEECH!"
A private landlord can evict a tenant for that in most of the US. But if you live in government run housing, the tenant is protected by the First Amendment.
Yes, we have a new winner in 'spouting bullshit!!': charliehall.
Fuck off and die, asswipe.
Think he is also a McGuffin account.
I'm pretty certain he IS a Harvard account!
Alumnus of the remedial math school.
The “our country is the same as my house” trope is so tired and baseless.
Your home is a dictatorship. Our country is not. For now.
I think we need to put some kind of shock collar on Sullum that delivers a good sharp bite every time he uses the word "journalist." He clearly doesn't know what the term means, how it should be applied, or to whom.
Problem is TDS is pretty much universal in the now (swamp-critter) population of Reason; haven't seen a one clear of it in some time.
Reason started in Santa Barbara, and pretty sure the first issue on the shelves is ~'75, maybe 76. It was a libertarian publication.
Not long after, it went begging for contributions to establish an office just to the right of 405 if you were heading north with the Getty Museum to your left; I kicked some money in.
Then came the begging for an office in the swamp; nada. It has been downhill from there.
If you live in the swamp, you will (as the Reason staff has) become swamp critters.
They still get my $5 annual contribution, just so they know I haven't forgotten, but it would be refreshing if a new organization actually championed libertarian views. They'd get what Reason used to get.
"Liberty" was good, but it went to hard right Xian views; not likely to attract the support of non-believers.
Imagine if he got shocked every time he said or wrote ‘Trump’.
What that really says...
"The Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression is seeking an injunction that would protect noncitizens ... from arrest and removal."
The "Non-citizens have a 'right' to be US Citizens" lawsuit. /s
It's in the 1A in-between those other lines that only creative self-entitlement can see! /s
TBF there is a level of protest that is fine and protected, even for those restrictions, and a level that is out of bounds. FIRE taking cases beyond that line helps clarify where the lines really are in a functioning legal system. That our legal system is riddled with activists is related but separate.
To be fair, even if we assume that most forms of college-student-journalism-as-such is protected in terms of the words themselves as actually printed...
It's still easily possible to imagine something being published which clearly constitutes a confession and valid grounds for being expelled from the USA.
For example, if a student journalist were to publish the fact that they had scored an in-person interview with the current head of North Korea, or Hamas, or Al Qaeda, or Hezbollah, or Iran, while also informing that figure of the general state of campus opinion at Stanford about that figure, and also revealing that as part of the interview, the student had sworn never to reveal certain security details about that figure learned during the interview...
I mean, yeah, that sort of private 'journalist diplomacy' into war zones or with avowed enemies of the United States is REALLY not why we're in the business of giving education visas to foreigners, and I could totally see the argument that if Stanford Campus Journalists think that's what their Visa permits, that it's probably time to revoke their visas.
Likewise, if, say, a chinese student at Stanford, whose father was a senior security official back home in China, were to publish an article in the Stanford student newspaper about "Top Chinese Citizens at Stanford who said things detrimental to China in the Classroom, and the horrible fate which they will justly receive just as soon as they return home to the chinese mainland..."
That would seem to be a pretty open-and-shut case for expelling the student who published such a thing from the USA.
Pretty sure the contractual terms for a US visa are not that demanding; but you are constrained by various limitations, and it is up to you to know them and comply with them.
The US is far more liberal than other countries, but on touring Xinjiang, when my passport was demanded at the 50KM freeway check points, I stood over the clerk staring at him/her until it was back in my hands. I had made no public statements regarding the CCP or its opposition; I was their guest and acted as such but was willing to make clear it was a US passport and I was willing to invoke the importance of such
Upon entering a country, you ARE subject to both the terms of your entry and the laws of the lands, and charliehall is entirely to stupid to understand that. I'm guessing he has traveled to two or three states in the US
They can’t be jailed for their speech, but they can have their visa contract cancelled.
And although the Court subsequently allowed deportations based on Communist Party membership, that decision hinged on a government-friendly First Amendment standard that the justices later renounced—a standard that also allowed criminal punishment of U.S. citizens based on their political affiliations.
But the Supreme Court never overruled Harisiades v. Shaughnessy, 342 U.S. 580 (1952). that is the last word unless and until the Court accepts a cert petition asking it to overrule Harisiades.
“ he conflated Ozturk, whose only offense seems to be publishing that op-ed piece, with vandals and rioters”
So now words are violence? It’s hard to keep up with which side MAGA supports on any given day.