Capitalism Isn't Why You're Unhappy
Some young adults blame "capitalism" for just about everything. But it's only a convenient scapegoat.

Are you feeling bad? Sad? Lonely? Despondent about your life? Anxious about politics? Angry about the state of the world? The gurus and influencers and deep thinkers of the internet have identified the culprit, the reason, the overarching explanation for why everything, everywhere sucks all the time.
"Do you feel horrible? That's capitalism, baby!" says the wildly popular mental health influencer TherapyJeff in a TikTok with nearly 50,000 likes. "Is your self-worth based on who you are or what you do? If it's what you do and the value you create, that's internalized capitalism."
In another video on the platform, two attractive 20-something women discuss how "late-stage capitalism" has affected their social lives and complain that there's a lack of public "third spaces." The video was filmed in what appears to be a public park.
In another video, this time with over 14,500 likes, a young woman declares that "capitalism is the root of all evil" before adding, "I'm also a business owner. But fuck capitalism, right?"
@therapyjeff Do you feel horrible? That's capitalism, baby! #capitalism #america #mentalhealth #therapy #therapytok #therapist #burnout
Online, "capitalism" has become a shorthand for just about every disliked cultural trend, no matter how universal or eternal. Unrealistic beauty standards? Capitalism. Monogamy? Capitalism. People not wanting to give you a ride to the airport? Capitalism.
Capitalism gets conflated with everything from consumerism and government corruption to the concept of work itself. Online anticapitalism is not so much a reaction against economic reality as a reaction against, well, reality. It's the all-purpose villain ruining everything that should be good about modern life.
@ameliamontooth if ur my friend and ur seeing this lets b radical anticapitalists together while you drive me home from LAX ???? #wlw #friends #friendship #20s #femalefriends #friendgroup
Hatred of capitalism has coincided with a boom in popularity for socialism and even communism. In a recent Pew poll, only 40 percent of 18- to 29-year-olds had a positive view of capitalism, while 44 percent viewed socialism positively. In another poll, 34 percent of young people reported a favorable view of communism, which in Josef Stalin's Soviet Union killed millions of people from famine alone.
This sort of thinking has already had real-world political consequences. In June, self-identified socialist Zohran Mamdani handily won New York City's Democratic mayoral primary on a platform of state-run grocery stores and a rent freeze. Some polls now indicate he's the front-runner for the city's top elected office.
It's hard not to read this shift as downstream of a real malaise among many Americans, especially young adults. Surveys consistently find that young people feel lost and forgotten. They're having a hard time finding jobs they like and friends they can count on. Young Americans frequently feel that "the system" simply isn't working. And so they blame that system for their fears, frustrations, and anxieties.
But capitalism isn't the reason why you, or anyone else, is unhappy. Blaming capitalism is a fantasy, a rhetorical escape, that allows people to shift the blame from their own choices to a powerful external force outside their control. The capitalist blame game is a social-media-friendly cover for a lack of personal meaning and social connection, a crutch for those who have not made their lives their own.
By arguing that capitalism is the cause of your dissatisfaction, you deny your own agency. Your problems become both unsolvable and someone else's fault. And if your problems are intractable and insurmountable, you no longer have a duty to try to overcome them. This lack of agency is comforting, but only leads to more unhappiness in the long term. The solution is not to blame capitalism—or any other shadowy, conspiratorial force—for your problems, but to accept that you're in the driver's seat of your own life.
Capitalism vs. Fun?
"There's no way that you're going to tell me I'm going to work my whole life," says one 20-something travel influencer in a nearly manic viral video. "I'm going to sit behind a fucking desk and work nine-to-five each day of my life until retirement. There is no way that is what life is about….I want to have fun, like I actually want to have fun, and I don't understand why this is the norm and we're putting up with this."
In another popular video, a young woman films herself lip-synching from her cubicle, with the caption "When I tell my parents I'm sick of working and they say some dumb shit like 'welcome to adulthood' or 'you're just getting started' like bro I genuinely have nightmares about having to work for the next 60 years." In the comments, "it's actually very upsetting, i cry abt this all the time" and "Like y'all KNEW how much it sucked and y'all STILL had me" have more than 2,000 and 1,000 likes, respectively.
@ellaajaee capitalism is hitting hard today tbh #quit #travel #9to5 #zoocosis #life
@tsahailayne Ive had a job for 6 years like what do you mean "just getting started" ???? #fypシ #fyp #help #xyzbca #whywasntibornrich???? #capitalism
In the discourse of internet anticapitalism, this feeling—that adulthood should somehow just be more fun—comes up time and time again. It's often paired with a general aversion to having a standard nine-to-five job at all, even one that pays well.
So it's no wonder that many young people seem to share a politically left-leaning sense that just about anything is better than the American middle-class standard, whether that's Europe, communist Cuba, or even prehistoric hunter-gatherer tribes. You might remind one of these creators that Spain's youth unemployment rate is over 25 percent, that 10 percent of Cuba's population fled the country in 2022–2023, and that Stone Age life was no lovefest, but you probably won't convince them to extoll the virtues of free markets and the dramatic reduction in poverty wrought by global capitalism.
And that's because this kind of anticapitalism is fundamentally an escapist fantasy. It's a form of utopian thinking that irrationally assumes capitalism is the only thing standing between you and a life without real problems.
You can find utopian anticapitalism on the far right as well. Instead of dreaming of a world without work or consumerism, right-wing trad bros fantasize about a past when women were financially dependent on men and immigrants didn't compete with native-born Americans for jobs.
On the left, though, a world without capitalism is often imagined as a world without responsibilities of any kind.
This view is laid bare in one viral 18-second TikTok in which a young woman creates a mock dialogue between "humans" and "capitalism."
@sara.grace.young Can I please just get paid to make videos and do art? #fyp #capitalism #wlw #curlyhair #lgbt
"What do you dream of doing?" Capitalism asks, to which Humans reply that they "really like just hanging out." For a punch line, an exasperated capitalism huffs, "We can't exploit you off that, pick something else."
Yet a world in which everyone can "just hang out" instead of working is a totally unworkable plan for human society.
To believe capitalism is the only thing holding us back from endless leisure is to suggest that food and clothes can grow and sew themselves—and that you've forgotten that the automation we do have in those industries is itself an outgrowth of capitalist industrialization.
It's the kind of magical thinking that, as one band of online communists made clear in an infamous 2020 Twitter thread, assumes that everyone on the commune gets to brew lattes and write poetry while no one has to scrub latrines or dig ditches.
The obvious problem with this utopian antiworkism is that work, especially of the grueling and miserable kind, has always been a part of human life. Capitalist exploitation is not the only reason why human beings engage in labor.
In fact, it is only in the modern capitalist world that any significant portion of the population has labored with their minds rather than their bodies. Under every economic arrangement, in every point in history, human beings have had to earn their keep, whether that's in an office, in the fields, or in the home. The only people who could be convincingly described as living in comfort while not working are the absurdly wealthy—and leftists presumably believe that no one should be that rich.
The Purpose Problem
It's easy to call these utopian anticapitalists lazy. And there may be some laziness there, especially on the more extreme fringes of the online "antiwork" movement. But what's going on here is less an abundance of laziness than a lack of something to make work seem worth it. It's a lack of meaning—of purpose.
Part of this comes down to the assumption that your job will be a major source of meaning and fulfillment in your life—what Atlantic writer Derek Thompson calls "workism." In one 2023 survey, 88 percent of parents believed it is very important for their kids to have a career they enjoy but just 21 percent said it is very important that their kids get married; a similar proportion thought it's very important that their kids have children of their own. Teenagers agreed: 95 percent said that having a career they enjoy as an adult is very important to them, and only around half placed the same importance on getting married.
But according to the University of Virginia sociologist Brad Wilcox, being "very satisfied" with your job increases your chances of being "very happy" with your life by 145 percent. Being "very happy" in your marriage increases your chances of general happiness by a staggering 545 percent.
This gulf isn't exactly surprising. Most jobs—even most elite, college-level jobs—are not particularly interesting or intrinsically fulfilling. Even the best jobs, perhaps including the one that allows me to write this essay, aren't likely to provide the sense of contentment and joy that a good marriage does. The message that you can reliably expect happiness and meaning from your job sets young people up for disappointment and incentivizes them to deprioritize the interpersonal connections that are much more likely to lead to fulfillment.
It's no secret that young Americans are delaying family formation. Lyman Stone, a researcher at the Institute for Family Studies, has argued that under present trends, 1 in 3 young people who are 19 or 20 today will have not married by 45. Around the same percentage of Gen Zers and millennials say they neither have nor want kids. And young people aren't replacing family responsibilities with rich friendships. A 2023 poll found that 1 in 4 Americans aged 18 to 29 reported experiencing loneliness the day prior, seven percentage points higher than the adult average.
In-person socializing is plummeting too. "America is in a party deficit," Atlantic writer Ellen Cushing put it in an article aptly titled "Americans Need To Party More." "Only 4.1 percent of Americans attended or hosted a social event on an average weekend or holiday in 2023, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics; this is a 35 percent decrease since 2004," she wrote. Compared with just a few decades ago, we're in a world where the median 20-something has fewer reasons to leave their house, fewer parties to go to, fewer friends, and fewer opportunities to meet a romantic partner. In such a world, no wonder so many young people are looking to their jobs to make them happy, and feeling cheated when they don't.
Sometimes internet anticapitalists identify workism as a problem. But they blame it on the economic system that makes their work possible, not an optional social attitude toward work. The rise of workism is best explained not by capitalism but by a decline in social connections outside of work. When your job feels tedious or physically taxing, knowing that there's someone you're doing it all for will inherently add meaning to the monotony. It helps to feel like you're working for something other than yourself, whether that's to support a family or a spouse, or even to fund outings with friends. It is a fact of life that we must work, but you're unlikely to be happy if you don't have anything going on when you clock out.
Conversely, having something going on in your life besides your job also staves off the worst kinds of workaholism. If you find meaning through your friends, family, or religious community, working yourself ragged for that promotion or following a prestigious career path you hate feels less crucial for maintaining your self-worth.
I do think the internet anticapitalists are right about one thing: Compared to what came before, societies with freer markets tend to rely more on merit-based distribution of social advancement. Where you end up in life is, imperfectly, downstream of your own choices and talents.
I want to stress imperfectly. Of course, all kinds of unfair inequalities exist that lead individuals to be born with radically different opportunities. The good news is that never before in human history has a person born into poverty had more opportunity to escape it. It's the essence of the American dream—that no matter the circumstances of your birth, anyone can make it big with enough determination and talent. At the same time, in the grand sweep of human history, never before have those born into wealth had to fight harder to keep their privileges.
Just because these opportunities for advancement exist does not mean that enough people are taking them, or that economic mobility is on some forever upward march. But that may be part of the problem.
So much agency is destabilizing. It's a tremendous responsibility. It's also the source of tremendous shame, especially for the downwardly mobile children of the upper-middle class, who seem most likely to adopt this resentment-driven, muddled anticapitalism. If you failed to achieve your dreams, if your adult life is boring and predictable—especially if you grew up in economic privilege—your own choices are at least partially responsible. But facing your own inadequacy or lack of ambition is extremely difficult. Blaming an amorphous supposed social evil is much easier.
Many anticapitalists will bristle at this framing. Capitalism, they'll argue, really is that big and monstrous. It's a system that's tilted toward the rich and powerful, that compels people to work in horrible, exploitative jobs, that keeps people from being able to afford a home or health care.
Most of these complaints come down to confusing the state of American politics with capitalism. Crony capitalism isn't free markets, neither is the overregulation that makes housing and health care much more expensive than they would be in a true free market system. But internet anticapitalists rarely make cogent economic arguments. What they're suffering from is not the competitive economic individualism of capitalism but a kind of interpersonal hyperindividualism. The cynical complacency they're sensing is not about monetary resources but emotional resources.
The fantasy of internet anticapitalists is much sadder than it seems on its face. It is essentially a fantasy of being happy—of liking your job, of having friends to hang out with after work, of maybe even having a partner to come home to at night.
Capitalism is not what keeps people from obtaining these goods. Working for money rather than living on a utopian commune does not keep you from finding a community. Capitalism doesn't stop you from volunteering after work or attending a religious service or asking out that nice girl across the bar. It also doesn't stop you from saying yes to that party invite or the suggestion that you join the local adult kickball league. What does keep people from finding community and joy? Bad luck, of course. But also risk aversion and fear of rejection.
Building a fulfilling life requires effort and risk. It's hard to show up to a party where you don't know anyone. It can be awkward to make small talk with strangers or start a new hobby. Adult sports leagues and run clubs and church groups are usually pretty dorky. It's easier to blame your isolation, your brittle friendships, your romantic difficulties on a shadowy force beyond your control.
Coming to terms with your own agency, with the choices afforded you by our big, beautiful modern world—that's the hard part.
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Young people are stupid.
Film at 11:00
Wippersnapper: Ok, boomer. No more film, no more timeslots...we don't need the Big 3 controlling our thoughts.
Boomer: Thank's to capitalism
"Thank's"
Are you trying to say that Boomers are so incompetent and uncompetitive that even their spoken dialogues contain typos?
Making he was making the point that "thank's" is possessive? Or maybe it's just contracting.
Nah, just me Boomering the autofill. Damn my early stage Millennial arthritis.
That all you got, faggot?
Based on the rage against the regime protests so are old people.
Oooff.... replacement incoming for you guys. I'm sorry. 🙁
With this commander in chief? Gonna be rapid. Every age group is seeing it now.
Social democracy ain't so bad though. I promise.
Micropenis losers aren't replacing anyone. Have fun stuffing yourself full of cheese puffs in your mommy's basement while you attempt to jerk your little string bean to animated porn.
I will respond to seething triggered marine boi when i get around to it, i promise.
Lol, your side can't even figure out how to pay off your student loans, it's seething over people lusting after a conventionally attractive white woman, and young men keep drifting further right because you have literally nothing to offer them.
This must be the part where you talk about the "wrong side of history" and other associated retarded marxist boilerplate.
Hey, how else are progressives going to evolve into Eloi?
Too late, you already did. Don't lie, it's not like you have anything better to do.
Shrike, just go to the cops and confess your child rapes. You’re done here.
"Social democracy ain't so bad though."
Yes, it is.
If social democracy was better than living in a capitalist state like the US, you would be living in Norway, Sweden or Denmark.
But you're not about to leave this capitalist hell hole because...?
Interesting structure, make unfounded assumption about my circumstances, then proceed to make a point based on 404 unfounded? This stuffs good.
You’re too stupid for this discussion. Instead, commit suicide.
This stuffs good.
Hope you’re talking about yourself and not a victim. Something you picked up at a WNBA game?
These aggressively retarded radical chic bourgeoisie morons are a key reason this country continues sloughing towards being a completely low-trust shithole. No, capitalism isn't the reason you're sad, you're sad because you're an entitled mentally ill shitstain who thinks you're owed a life of luxury and ease for the privilege of being born on this earth in a First World country.
Perhaps having a ton of Marxist professors was a really stupid idea.
This would not be viewpoint discrimination. If you're a Marxist, you're too stupid to be teaching anybody anything.
My favorite part is that Emma doesn't even have to put down her phone to find dozens of people vomiting solidly anti-capitalist propaganda to the likes and cheers of thousands of followers on social media, but Stossel and James Lindsay took the word 'proletariat' out of The Communist Manifesto, submitted it to some obscure conservative religious blog, and, when they published it and refused to take it down, it somehow became a de facto standards not just for New Right but a New Right that was de facto at war with capitalism*.
* And this is looking past all of Nick Gillespie's "What if Christianity controlled capitalism?", "If rural Americans don't want to get left behind, why don't they just move?", and various parsings of Stalinism from Hitlerism from Maoism from Marxism.
""There's no way that you're going to tell me I'm going to work my whole life," says one 20-something travel influencer in a nearly manic viral video. "I'm going to sit behind a fucking desk and work nine-to-five each day of my life until retirement. There is no way that is what life is about….I want to have fun, like I actually want to have fun, and I don't understand why this is the norm and we're putting up with this.""
The Socialist mindset, especially the Marxist school, has always been about resenting the need to earn a living by producing something other people need or want. It is the mindset of a spoiled child, which is one reason their leading intellectuals were largely the worthless idiot son scions of the wealthy upper middle class. It is the eternal hope at living at the expense of society, i.e. everyone else, while contributing little or nothing.
And a satisfying life is not made from having empty "fun" either.
But why else declare yourself a superior elite?
It is the eternal hope at living at the expense of society, i.e. everyone else, while contributing little or nothing.
You fail Marxism 101.
Marx said the bourgeoisie was the enemy because they lived at the expense of the working class, and contributed little or nothing. He glorified laborers, saying, "the nobility of man shines upon us from their work-hardened bodies." The most common theme of later Soviet artwork was the heroic worker, and the communist ideal was a society where everyone worked to the maximum of their ability.
Come back when you've reacquainted yourself with the real world and how that worked out for actual workers, not propaganda pieces you retarded POS.
And I am talking about how Marx actually lived and why he wrote his scribblings on communism.
You fail "thinking".
"...and the communist ideal was a society where everyone worked to the maximum of their ability."
Except for the ruling elites whose only contribution to the masses was oppression, mass murder, terror and a failed economy.
Just as hard as they could.
Marx was an unemployable layabout who lived off of Engels money. He was Bernie Sanders.
Who married into a down on their luck, titled, aristocratic family.
From each according to their ability and to each according to their need...how did that work out, by the way?
Goddamn, man. Just wow.
""I want to have fun, like I actually want to have fun, "'
Fun paid for by someone else who has participated in capitalism.
They seem like Eloi to me.
Capitalism is why some people are unhappy. Imagine being a sloppy chemist but thinking you are the world’s best; your accolades and compensation do not match the expectations that manifested in your mind.
A radical sloppy chemist?
A free radical sloppy chemist?
A radical sloppy collectivist chemist pedo?
A radical sloppy collectivist morbidly obese, sophist retarded chemist pedo?
The sloppy chemist
Thinks bears will attack from trunks
He wants you to mask
Do you have a $2000 cell phone to watch TikTok on? That's capitalism, baby.
...not to mention that $25 Che t-shirt.
In a capitalist economy people are unequally rich. Inequality leads to envy, and that make people unhappy. So yes, capitalism is indeed why many people are unhappy. They think that socialism is a better way because then people are equal. What they don't understand is that while people are indeed relatively equal, they are equally poor. Well, except for the people in government who run the show. They think that socialism will make them happy because they won't feel unhappy about inequality, not realizing that they won't have anything to eat.
The other problem with that mindset is how does an inequality of wealth negatively affect their quality of life? How does the mere existence of a billionaire make their life worse except for feelings of envy? This is a problem of modern life. In 1st World economies, the poorest are quite wealthy by historical human standards, yet feel downtrodden because they someone having more than them.
So they want to kill the system that enabled them to have a historically high standard of living.
Gotta blame something besides themselves; after all, in sitcoms like "Friends" etc., everyone is just happy and "hanging out" without having to put any effort into it, or at least not acting like a self centered sanctimonious asshole.
This is seriously how they look at life, as if it should be something out of a Hollywood production; and then they wonder "why not me" which immediately proceeds to "who or what can I blame for my meaningless life?"
Life of course, absent war and famine [as was often produced by communism], is what you make of it.
I know it's not directly your point but in Friends every last one of them had a job that was referenced if not part of the show. I've always seen that as yes, you do things to live off screen but the things focused on are what is important in life.
These kids just aren't adulting and resent any responsibility or obligation at all, even towards themselves.
The problem with "Friends" was that the jobs they were supposed to have did not seem able to pay for their lifestyles living in Manhattan.
Regarding Friends, could it be anymore unrealistic?
Thank you Chandler. This needed to be said.
If you do Schadenfreude:
https://www.pacificpundit.com/2023/10/29/matthew-perry-once-tweeted-could-i-be-any-more-vaccinated/
That silly show was just what first came to mind; other than snippets gained from passing through a room while it was on [my daughters occasionally watched it when they were teens] I personally have never watch an actual episode. Should have referenced Seinfeld; then at least I would have more than a passing familiarity and not just some good looking guys and girls and one stupid girl who owned a cat.
Wasn't an argument for realism because those apartments are way too large, just that they did recognize their lives outside the show, including work.
I read a study years ago that asked participants if they would prefer at their jobs that everyone got a raise but made the same salary as everyone else after the raise, or if the participant got a much smaller raise, but made more than their co-workers. The latter got a higher response.
This thread is giving great insights into the out of touch perspectives of the perpetually privileged and incompetent, who never had to compete to achieve their wealth.
Meanwhile, in real life, questions that actually drive people are: "How is it possible my grandpa was able to build this 2000 sqft house on a single blue collar income while I work two jobs and have trouble eating after rent?"
The silver lining is that you guys are old and won't be around for much longer. Your vitriolic babbling is already being ignored and your body will be gone.
Meanwhile, in real life, questions that actually drive people are: "How is it possible my grandpa was able to build this 2000 sqft house on a single blue collar income while I work two jobs and have trouble eating after rent?"
That's easy to answer. Grandpa's 2000sqft home would be illegal to build by todays standards (thanks to government building codes and other laws), and a lack of supply relative to demand has jacked up the price (thanks to government zoning and other laws).
Unfortunately I doubt the complainers would accept that answer, and instead blame greedy capitalists.
Grandpa's 2000 sq ft house was probably 1000-1200 sq ft max when he built it. With a single TV, maybe. Same sex siblings shared bedrooms and wore their older siblings clothes when they grew out of them. Grandpa drank Maxwell House coffee and he or Grandma ate most of their meals at home. They took one vacation a year. College for their children was achieved with a systematic, slow savings process or with a bank loan from the local bank that Grandpa had to qualify for like any other loan. If Grandma wanted a big ticket item she put it on layaway and made incremental payments until it was paid off, thus learning delayed gratification and living within one's means.
That was the real life you claim was so easy for Grandpa to have.
This is interesting. But I think delayed gratification won't get you there anymore these days. It just doesn't yield enough for the average worker anymore to beat the price
It still has to be about living within your means. Delayed gratification for your Gen is finding the means to beat the price. You have three great examples in those vids:
1. I want to have fun, fun, fun!! - If I have to explain this one you're lost already.
2. I can't see myself working for the next 60 years. Then work your ass off for the next 30 and do what you want after that. Or find that thing you do want to do for the next 60 years and do that.
3. Why can't I get paid to do Art? - You can. You have to feed yourself too. Commit to your art, put food on your table and if you're good and really talented eventually you will get paid to do art and your art will put food on your table. If not, you have at least lived a life if pursuit of something you loved. And more than likely will find another way to enjoy your art without being famous. You won't ever get paid to do art if your only goal is to avoid life's responsesibility and draw something fun when you feel like it.
I think you're missing the point. In Grandpa's day, filling the home with appliances would cost many months worth of rent or mortgage payments. Maybe a year's worth. Today you can get a microwave, television, stove, and dishwasher for less than one month's rent. Housing prices are a big problem.
No, democrats are a big problem.
That is why you fail.
That was the real life you claim was so easy for Grandpa to have.
I never said anything was easy. Stop putting words into my mouth. There is a legitimate gripe about housing costs. They're getting stupid expensive. That is a fact. My post was saying that most of those costs are a direct result of government policies. Government requires that homes have things that grandpa's home didn't have. Government puts up barriers to building new homes that would increase supply and reduce price. None of what you said is wrong. But it ignores the fact that housing prices are ridiculous and ignores the reasons why.
If Grandma wanted a big ticket item she put it on layaway and made incremental payments until it was paid off, thus learning delayed gratification and living within one's means.
Those things were more expensive in terms of hours worked than they are now. Grandma's washing machine would cost a month's rent or more. Today they cost less. A television was a big ticket item. Today you can buy three monster flatscreens for the cost of one month's rent. It's a different world now.
Another reason for why home prices have gone up so much has to do with the Fed artificially keeping interest rates so low for so long, combined with the overspending and "printing" of money to keep up with that spending, damaging the purchasing power of the dollar. A home is a fixed asset whose value keeps increasing as cash is devalued (inflation).
Any chance that supply and demand affect housing prices? And when demand focuses on the same few hip neighborhoods in the same few Top Ten cities, lots of people bid up prices for a limited supply (that is limited by definition, not unfairness)?
I already said that government policies that restrict supply drive up prices in the face of increased demand.
Supply and demand yes. It is also fueling the sub-market where local policy and demand are helping feed an exodus from certain states to close by states driving up those markets with by paying more for the housing they want. CA,Co to AZ,TX; OR,WA to Idaho to name few.
When I lived in AZ and worked up and down the West Coast I used to joke with my clients in CA about how I knew there were a lot more Californians in my state. All the Vanity plates.
My response about Grandpa's easy life was in response to 5.56.
Meanwhile, in real life, questions that actually drive people are: "How is it possible my grandpa was able to build this 2000 sqft house on a single blue collar income while I work two jobs and have trouble eating after rent?"
Layaway was used for all kinds of items, not just appliances. It was also much harder to get a credit card and the limits were smaller. The point I was making with layaway was it taught discernment on purchases and delayed gratification.
A friend of mine purchased a house recently for $70K. Yes, it needs work. He will put the work in and it's value in the neighborhood will be about $125K. I understood your post. Housing is expensive in places, others, not so much. Life is full of choices.
If all these dingdongs hate Capitalism so much why don't they enter into a Socialist pact and purchase a house together? That $500K place is now $125K ea and everyone gets to work together for the greater good. If nothing else it would make a great reality show.
I think that people with a lot of concentrated wealth that want to concentrate more wealth in their own pockets are in favor of such regulations. I think we have one or more in the white house. Thats not necessarily 1970s capitalism though. That kind of capitalism won't thrive in an America where it isn't taboo for the billionaire heads of corporate america to join the presidential inauguration.
Churchill said that socialism is the political philosophy of envy.
He has no idea how right he was.
In many ways this is like the incel movement.
" They think that socialism is a better way because then people are equal."
Socialism does not produce equality.
It produces a ruling elitist class that have wealth and power the masses will never obtain, and this same ruling elites will do anything, including mass murder, terror and oppression to keep their wealth and power.
Everywhere in Europe is socialist compared to the U.S. They aren't all starving.
I'm talking about socialist economies. As in Venezuela. Where the government controls the means of production.
You're talking about capitalist economies that fund a robust welfare state.
Not the same thing. Not at all.
No, they are not.
The primary difference is that capitalism is predicated on the concept of voluntary exchange. But, we don't have a capitalist economy; we have a corporatist economy based on political-corporate cronyism.
“we have a corporatist economy based on political-corporate cronyism.”
Leftist did a great job of redefining things so that most people my age and younger think that what you described IS capitalism.
Sadly, very true. That's why I point it out regularly.
Capitalism isn't evil just because you're bad at it.
UNFAIR!
I don't know that they're bad at it. I mean they probably make pretty good coin on these rant videos. Granted they might do better bitching about something else but they aren't smart or experienced enough to really have something to bitch about. Think of it as today's version of selling Che Guevara tee shirts.
I remember when I was young, and a supporter of Bush and his foreign wars (yes, I was stupid), I got a shirt that had Che's face on it, with the captioning, "War is Not the Answer... unless you're a socialist guerrilla." It was to mock all of the people who were purportedly against war, but also idolized Che Guevara, a warmonger.
I stopped wearing it after a few times since people wouldn't even notice the words written on the front of the shirt. I'd get socialists trying to high-five me, while Bush Republicans (largely neocons) cursing me out.
They might make coin, but are not making actual wealth. At some point, whiners want soy lattes, heirloom tomatoes, apartments (in the right neighborhood), airline tickets, and those really cool E-bikes. But the people who produce those things might not be willing to trade for TikTok videos.
Maybe tiktok is a Chinese communist plot to infest the US with marxism afterall. Hey, wasn't Trump going to nationalize it? I am sure I read that somewhere.
Actually, it is illegal in the US (if the law is followed).
Young people are spreading the word about severe systemic flaws. Fascists want to mute them.
Film at 11.
Young people without life experience explain how life should be and add the word systemic to make it sound oppressive too.
TikTok special at 11
Yeah. They actually have to be productive to get some level of compensation that approaches their content creator influenced expected lifestyle. Once they leave their safe space, they might make a sternly worded post about it.
So the people of N. Korea must live ecstatic lives, like those of the USSR used to do before capitalism came along an ruined everything.
Hold our collective coffee - East Germany
Cubans really don't like more than 5 eggs a week.
Capitalism really isn't some system running in the background designed to keep you down. Capitalism is what individual actors do in a system that is free from coercion.
To claim that the system owes you anything is to admit that you prefer coercion over freedom.
Or just be a retarded child who believes in the power of wishing.
Capitalism is the economic system that spontaneously arises when the government recognizes property rights and enforces contracts.
Socialism and communism are economic systems forced onto people by a government that deliberately violates property rights and ignores contracts.
"Capitalism really isn't some system running in the background designed to keep you down."
100%
It's like blaming your engine for your flat tire.
Collectivism is the art of inciting envy and rallying the envious to get power to rule other people's lives with an iron fist. But how do you incite envy without someone to be envied? Thus, the need for a bogeyman -- and the mythical Capitalist is pretty much the go-to for that.
I have noticed that most, if not all, arguments against Capitalism (which in reality is Individualism -- the recognition that every Individual has agency, and should be free to exercise that agency in ways that don't harm others -- and thus, has unalienable rights that need to be preserved) fall into two categories.
The first is complaining about market conditions that aren't the result of bureaucrats, but are rather the result of meddling bureaucrats who don't know what they are doing. Complaining about high medical costs that are the result of ObamaCare, or the high costs of housing that are the result of building codes and zoning laws, are two examples.
The second is complaining about things that are the result of human nature while living in a cold, cruel universe that, if anything, is hostile to life in any form. Complaining about getting sick, or about having to work, are two examples of this.
Ironically, moving from Individualism to Collectivism will aggravate both problems, rather than make everything better -- which is why the envious who push for Collectivism are Useful Idiots.
^^^YUP^^^
TL;DR (yet), but what these people seem to mean by "capitalism" is just people doing business, which is of course an absurd thing to blame for problems.
I don't like capitalism either, though I do like free enterprise, but I'm using the word "capitalism" in a sensible way to mean "rule by capital" or "rule by the owners of capital", rather than as an incorrect synonym for free enterprise. However, even stated that way, rule by the owners of capital would be a silly thing to blame for all of life's problems.
'Some young adults blame "capitalism" for just about everything.'
Well, capitalism and climate change. And racism. And Boomers. And MAGA. And mean tweets.
Exactly that. It's the inverse of the omni-cause (gay rights = communism = globalize the intafada = climate alarmism). The omni-boogeyman, or something more cutesy that is going to make me rub my temples.
And TRUMP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
All caused by Capitalism. Capitalism is the original sin apparently.
The Left controls academia, this is not surprising. They (educators) are the only ones who still think socialism works. By the way, being a travel influencer is not actual work.
The Left controls academia, this is not surprising. They (educators) are the only ones who still think socialism works. Many young people don't know how to think for themselves.
Me. "Josef Stalin's Soviet Union killed millions of people from famine alone."
Gen Zer. "But this time we'll do socialism/communism right.
That's what Pol Pot did. He looked at the Soviet Union and decided he would communism "right" in Cambodia.
Stalin killed tens of millions. So did Mao. Being off by a magnitude of order marginalizes the impact of collectivization. Far more people were killed by communism in 50 years than have been killed in every religious war throughout history combined.
Marxist socialism is without question, the deadliest philosophy ever to exist.
And it couldn’t happen to a nicer city than New York.
If was given a dollar for every socialist nation that worked, I'd have $0. Ironically, if I lived in a socialist nation that worked, I'd still only have $0.
What do you define as 'socialism'? According to the MAGAts, 'socialism' is every government which has a national health system and a functional safety net.
To be fair, because Socialists don't have any true successes to point to, they point to every government that has a national health system and a functional safety net has "Socialism", and then pretend that we'd be better off if we adopted Socialism wholesale here.
They also express horror that we haven't adopted National Health Care yet -- but for some reason they don't say "See how good our veterans have it with VA? Why don't we expand VA to include everyone?" It probably has something to do with our veterans only relying on VA as a last resort, because they want to have some semblance of health care.
They also like to point to our roads and education system as examples of "Socialism" and then insist that we should socialize everything else -- not realizing that we see the pot holes and degrading bridges, and observe how well our students are doing in "school".
Stalin, Hitler, and Mao, combined were more deadly than any pandemic or plague in history except maybe The Black Death. Mao alone is on par with bringing smallpox to the new world.
From the 20th Century onward, mankind was far more deadly to itself than any other cause and, from about the 17th Century onward, this meant governance by force (and opposition to it). Even if you say COVID was zoonotic and count all the deaths from people being locked out of hospitals and in old folks homes as natural, pandemic deaths and not deaths as the result of mandates, Stalin, Hitler, and Mao easily carry 1918-2018 (and that doesn't even get into, e.g., Pol Pot and Kim Jong Un vs. any given bird flu outbreak.
Even if you completely fudge the definition of "socialism" into "The use of science to make people do what any given data or model says is best." the concept is failed, even by its own metrics.
We can change them! - left leaning libertarians
It's almost as if their parents and college didn't prepare them for life.
"Hanging Out" is what our ancestors did while shucking corn, shelling peas, tanning hides, quilting, knitting, etc. it isn't a meaningful activity in and of itself, it is a by-product of group work.
My son and I "hang out" when we are working on his car.
inflation is why you are unhappy
the collapsing spending power of the US dollar is why you are unhappy
this is caused by government profligacy and incompetence
Often I wonder how these idiots will react when the socialists win and assign them to work as garbage collectors.
They won't be qualified to be garbage collectors.
I can, however see them rolling up their sleeves and working side by side, scrubbing toilet bowls and singing Marxist-inspired work songs. All while hanging out.
That doesn't stop Communists from assigning them to be garbage collectors.
Indeed, there are plenty of examples of Communists taking doctors and forcing them to be farmers -- and taking bus drivers and forcing them to be doctors.
Communists don't care about little details as who can do what. They are too busy "intelligently" determining who has what "abilities" and "needs", and if you dare question their wisdom, you are a saboteur, so it's off to the gulag for you!
...or send them to a gulag as the ruling elites "share" other peoples' wealth with only themselves?
Once they starve to death - their dissatisfaction with life will be cured.
Life is tougher when you think the world revolves around you and you expect to live off of the work of others.
Bad news, Emma; I'm happy.
I'd say parse out a chunk of land 10 miles by 10 miles. Put a bunch of tiny houses on the plot. Anyone who doesn't like capitalism and thinks they should not have to carry their own weight can have a free tiny house and use the land whatever way they see fit. They can grow their own food, raise their own animals, dig their own latrines, make their own candles, harvest their own firewood or poo for energy. They can cook and clean for each other and figure out who does what and live in their beautiful Utopia where no one owns anything and they are all happy.
I am sure by the time they are done stripping the hides and sewing them before winter they will leave and get a job and never turn back.
Nah, bro. The town elders will dress up in spooky hedgehog costumes and paint red X's on their doors to keep them from walking through the forest and leaving.
Spoiler: Keep a close eye on retarded Adrian Brody, who is in every way indistinguishable from regular Adrian Brody.
All those 'youts', as Vinny might say, didn't just decide that capitalism is evil. They have been taught this from a young age by both their public school teachers and probably their activist boomer/millennial parents.
If these people had even a single clue, they'd realize that their preferred alternative not only killed hundreds of millions of people, but also demands that they go and dig ditches to make themselves useful. It's clear that they have not been taught the realities of what communist or socialist nations have actually done over the years, and instead are being fed literal propaganda.
I'd wager not a single one of those useful idiots has ever been to Cuba, Russia, North Korea, or any other communist/socialist hellscape. I'd even go further, and say these kids have never even left their home state let alone the country.
If they had ever traveled to one of those places, perhaps they would realize how absolutely privileged they are to live in a first world capitalist nation. We are speaking about literally the most privileged group of people on the planet, and they honestly think they are some oppressed group. That's how divorced from reality they are.
Which shouldn't surprise anyone. If you can manage to believe that a person with a dick is actually a woman it's not so hard to believe that capitalism is the reason why you have to go to work every day.
I left the corporate world because the corporate world largely does suck for a whole lot of reasons, but capitalism isn't one of those reasons. Working for smaller organizations, often for less pay, is actually more rewarding since you can actually directly see your contributions to the organization. That's rarely possible in the corporate world.
These fuckwits should watch the movie 'Office Space', because it does a pretty fantastic job of showing why white collar types are often unhappy in unrewarding roles where their contributions are largely pointless. At the end of the movie, the main character finds joy in a blue collar job without any of the bullshit of corporate America.
Double feature: Office Space and Idiocracy.
Idiocracy is Pete H. running the dept of Defense.
I don't know, Harris was pretty close to President Camacho. I can think of a number of Congress types who don't seem to have enough IQ to breath, too, on both sides of the aisle.
And yeah, it seems to be getting worse.
Beyond a semester abroad in a real communist country (and in a real proletariat role, not some pleasant propaganda experience) these utes need a year alone on the deserted island, where no productive work means no food, and there is no society or systemic oppression to blame.
Here is a post on several Usenet newsgroups which illustrates misbeliefs about socialism and capitalism.
https://groups.google.com/g/uk.legal/c/wMoISQPWMoI/m/39J7ZtDNBQAJ
Socialism is a government doing something to help people.
Capitalism is the opposition to anything a government might do to help
people.
Socialism is the political philosophy of envy.
*In a recent Pew poll, only 40 percent of 18- to 29-year-olds had a positive view of capitalism, while 44 percent viewed socialism positively.*
Yes, those 40% are called "men". I'll let KBJ try to come up with a corresponding name for the 44%, since it's a combo of 90% women and 10% hopeless beta males.
This is almost entirely a young female problem. Young women are batshit crazy, which is why almost every clip Emma pulled is a female. Have a look at the attendants at the next psychotic rally of whatever far-left flavor. The vast majority will be young females.
Why are they more batshit crazy than young men?
Not enough dishwashing, sandwich preparation and baby-making
What Capitalism is really left?
Exactly what market doesn't the government already regulate to death?
They're just Self-Projecting and Blame-Shifting the consequences of their [Na]tional So[zi]alist Empire they built.
And that's why they NEVER F'EN LEARN a GD thing.
Over and over and over again humanity has tried socialism and failed.
Driven the people into poverty, killed them, stole from them, etc, etc...
And they NEVER F'EN LEARN a GD thing from it because they blame-shift.
Everything they do/are is everyone else's fault.
*snort*
The guy who refuses to learn economics, history, math, or anything else, and who blames literally every bad think in the world on Democrats, is giving a lecture accusing people of being unwilling to learn and accusing them of blame shifting.
Not that you're wrong. It's true that socialism has failed every time it's been tried, and they're stupid to blame capitalism.
But the irony is delicious.
LMAO.. In the same comment you admit I learn just fine and the left doesn't.
The irony is ...so... delicious.
Where did I say you learn just fine? No where.
What I said is that you're a willfully ignorant fuck who just happens to be right this time, like a broken clock that's right twice a day. Except that broken clocks are right waaaaaay more often than you. It was a backhanded compliment, not that I expect you to know what that means. And I know you won't look it up because that would entail learning, which is something you refuse to do.
In the land where you learn how to be wrong?
Yep; You nailed that board to the wall pretty good.
I have no desire to learn how to be wrong; which upsets you.
"I have no desire to learn
how to be wrong; which upsets you."Fixed that for you.
By the way, it's ok to be wrong. Intelligent people are wrong all the time. What separates us from people like you is that when someone points out to an intelligent person that they are wrong, the intelligent person admits to being wrong and then changes their thinking. While people like you refuse to admit to being wrong because you are too proud, too stupid, too stubborn, and too hateful to admin it. So you stay wrong and take great pride in it.
"It's ok to be wrong."
GREAT! So you'll admit you were wrong and I was right and not spend another 50-comments trying to blame me for not learning the 'wrong'? My bet is you'll just keep projecting your own inability to admit you are wrong and learn from it - onto me.
You've made it abundantly clear that you refuse to learn economics, logic, history, or anything else because you might find out that you're wrong. And you accuse me of being unable to admit to being wrong. Bonehead doesn't even come close.
And the 50+ comments trying to blame me for not learning the 'wrong' begins.
Sarcs admissions of being wrong and learning from it: 0.
Decent article, Emma. Credit where it's due. Kudos to you also for not linking to your own "party" article (though, the only way it could have gone worse would have been citing Vox.)
It's cozy in that unconditionally benefitted, non-civilian, socialistic military reality where you're told who to be and what to do and where thinking and figuring out life is being done for you, isn't it?
I think military folks are not to be respected. They crumble are SCARED TO DEATH when faced with civilian reality.
Spoke with a LtCol who was about to retire. That pathetic brain cripple had made a 3 year game plan to make civlian friends so he would be able to fit in and have a social life. Bet that non-person had to draft an OPORD in his basement to solidify that plan. Haha, how pathetic they are.
Keep nom-ing on those cheese puffs, micropenis. One day, maybe you'll get the courage to step out of the basement.
The person busting their butts 60 hrs a week while underpaid so the CEO can claim the glory and the profits and his 3rd trophy wife isn't lazy.
The person with 3 jobs and a side hustle , but can barely pay for groceries and healthcare at the same time isn't lazy.
The person working the family farm from one end to the other and slowing sinking further into debt while watching the corporate & political cronies get subsidies, kickbacks, & favoritism isn't lazy.
A person who works 60 hours a week will be well paid. 20 hours of overtime on it's own is a lot of money at any legal labor rate. If they think otherwise, they are capable of taking their labor elsewhere for compensation they believe is more 'fair' to their abilities. If they don't, that is also a choice they have made.
A person with three jobs and a 'side hustle' has made poor choices, since they aren't qualified for anything but the bottom rung of part time jobs. If they were worth a full time position at a company making a good wage, they would rationally do so.
A person working the family farm gets subsidies, kickbacks, and favoritism. Farmers are some of the most subsidized people in the United States across the board.
"A person who works 60 hours a week will be well paid. 20 hours of overtime on it's own is a lot of money at any legal labor rate.
She supports illegal immigration, so a legal labor rate is of no concern to her.
Illegal immigration is an amazing tool to fuck over workers.
https://www.epi.org/productivity-pay-gap/
You don't get to set your own wage. And if you did, ppl like you would be the first to scream "You had it coming for thinking you're too good for a job, snowflake. "
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/nov/05/multiple-jobs-census-data-inflation-us
Medical debt screws more people than Donald Trump on Epstein's island.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jan/31/us-dairy-policies-hurt-small-farms-monopolies-get-rich
The favoritism is "within" the farming niche. Big mega farms get bigger, while small farms can't get the same Gov fun bucks . Example: small (less than 100 inventory) dairy farms.
Anyone can, more or less, set their own wage by working for themselves instead of as a barista at Starbucks. A barista job can be done by a literal high school student with zero education, and the case in your link of a 31 year old woman trying to make ends meet on that type of job is absurd. I was young and stupid once, and I still managed to work at a major hospital making well above minimum wage with no degree (at the time). What you do matters, and making coffee is something an actual retard can do for themselves. No one is going to pay a 31 year old woman 30 bucks an hour for that unless it comes with a happy ending.
Medical debt sucks, but also has nothing to do with anything in particular. Didn't your boo Obama fix all that, or are you now admitting that the government does a shit job at everything? Oh...you blame Trump. Cute. Guess maybe he was on Epstein island with your boo Clinton?
And on the third point, I guess it turns out you were full of shit after all. Oh well. Economies of scale exist, do you support regulating those out of existence and paying ten bucks a gallon for milk? Weird.
Out of curiosity, have you ever owned a business or farm?
Of course she hasn’t.
Blaming capitalism is an oversimplification, but it does get it partially correct. The malaise people are feeling is dues to the loss of shared meaning that is inherent in capitalism. We look around and see all the rewards going to the scammers. "Culture" tells us to be moral, but capitalism is agnostic on morality. Every business uses deception and manipulation to upsell us on everything, if not outright swindle us. And this has become normalized to the point that we elected a president whose founding principle is "scam or be scammed".
The Christian right has figuredthis out and while they will never use the word "socialism" you can bet that once they get their totalizing hands foirmly on the government they will be smoothing out some of the existential problems brought on by the free markets. Of course, they will bring on worse sufferings and we will all hanker for the olden days when at least we could be scammers too.
The malaise people are feeling is dues to the loss of shared meaning that is inherent in capitalism.
That's what marxists claim, but it's not the reality. Your side spent the last 60 years aggressively tearing down what provided "shared meaning" in this country, and are now standing in the rubble of that and complaining that no one stopped you.
You and your side are like children who mess up their room, and get pissed off because Daddy told you that it was a mess and needed to be cleaned up.
The Christian right has figuredthis out and while they will never use the word "socialism" you can bet that once they get their totalizing hands foirmly on the government they will be smoothing out some of the existential problems brought on by the free markets.
LOL, the Christian right hasn't been a political force for over 30 years. I realize you hate Christians, but that doesn't justify your aggressively stupid paranoia about them.
There are no... none... zero... zilch... zip... nada... "existential problems brought on by the free markets" because there are no... none... zero... zilch... zip... nada... legitimate free markets.
The markets are so regulated and so controlled that the adjective "free" is wholly inappropriate.
Emma must have worn right through the soles of her girl-reporter shoes slogging through the mean streets of the TikTok beat.
Of course, all kinds of unfair inequalities exist that lead individuals to be born with radically different opportunities. The good news is that never before in human history has a person born into poverty had more opportunity to escape it. It's the essence of the American dream—that no matter the circumstances of your birth, anyone can make it big with enough determination and talent. At the same time, in the grand sweep of human history, never before have those born into wealth had to fight harder to keep their privileges.
That's not an assertion that Camp can make without the data to back that up. Since she specifically references it in relation to the "American dream," she should be looking primarily at the U.S. and the data seems fairly undeniable that upward mobility has decreased substantially and consistently since the post-WWII era.
She also spends the vast majority of the article pointing to the worst arguments that these people online are making about capitalism. It must be great to be able to argue only against the dumbest people that disagree with you.
She also spends the vast majority of the article pointing to the worst arguments that these people online are making about capitalism. It must be great to be able to argue only against the dumbest people that disagree with you.
Yeah, Jason, why should we focus on the most retarded leftists making retarded arguments against capitalism?
Yeah, Jason, why should we focus on the most retarded leftists making retarded arguments against capitalism?
If you do that in order to avoid addressing the better arguments, then doing that makes you a coward as well as intellectually dishonest.
If you need a nuanced examination of why communism and socialism are retarded, I would submit that you are wholly ignorant of history just like the retards posting to Twitter or Facebook about the evils of 'capitalism'.
If you need a nuanced examination of why communism and socialism are retarded, I would submit that you are wholly ignorant of history just like the retards posting to Twitter or Facebook about the evils of 'capitalism'.
It is like you didn't read what I wrote and only glanced at it. My critique of Emma Camp's article has two parts:
1) She said something completely contrary to the data.
2) She was only criticizing the worst arguments from the least competent of her opponents.
I'd add a corollary to 2) that she is also mostly picking opponents that say they subscribe to the more radical ideas, relative to what has been historically part of the mainstream in the U.S.
So, when you one up that and continue with the straw man tactic that I was criticizing Camp for using. Not to mention that I did not even slightly identify my own views as aligning with those people, yet you lump me in with them.
At what point in the article do you imagine the author is talking about comparing pre and post WW2 American upward mobility?
It seems pretty clear that the author is talking about capitalist nations versus communist/socialist countries, but perhaps you didn't read the article.
I read it with more comprehension than you did, apparently. Certainly better than you read my comments.
Neither Emma Camp nor I ever said anything about "pre" WW2. I brought up the whole post WW2 era (late 1940s to the present) because she had said, "The good news is that never before in human history has a person born into poverty had more opportunity to escape it. It's the essence of the American dream—that no matter the circumstances of your birth, anyone can make it big with enough determination and talent." This is the third time I've quoted this, and hopefully by now you can see how she was referencing "the American dream", thus looking at individual incomes relative to their parents over the last 80 years of the U.S. economy is a solid measure of upward mobility here during that time period. Not to mention how, as far as I can tell, all of these young people she features are American.
You and others are always retreating to, "but, but...communism! Cuba! The USSR!", because that is the easy straw man to beat to a pulp. You certainly have shown no interest in comparing all of the "capitalist" nations to each other. That is because of how virtually all of them temper their capitalism with stronger regulation than the U.S. and stronger social safety nets than we have.
When you talk about a rate declining since, it must decline from somewhere and one assumes it declined from the pre WW2 numbers, hence my comment.
Hatred of capitalism has coincided with a boom in popularity for socialism and even communism. In a recent Pew poll, only 40 percent of 18- to 29-year-olds had a positive view of capitalism, while 44 percent viewed socialism positively. In another poll, 34 percent of young people reported a favorable view of communism...
See, if you read the article you might have some context. You also might realize that the low hanging retarded fruit is more numerous than you think.
These kid's aren't just against capitalism, they are for socialism and communism. I didn't bring it up in a vacuum, you just didn't read the article.
See, if you read the article you might have some context. You also might realize that the low hanging retarded fruit is more numerous than you think.
Given how Camp doesn't dig into those polls more carefully, I can see why you'd think that. Just follow the actual link she gives to that Pew poll, and you'll see what I mean.
The first thing to note is the title of that article from Pew: "Modest Declines in Positive Views of ‘Socialism’ and ‘Capitalism’ in U.S." The poll and accompanying article show that the positive views (all poll participants) had gone down slightly in 2022 (what Camp called "recent") from where they were in 2019. (42% down to 36% total positive for socialism between 2019 and 2022; 65% down to 57% total positive for capitalism)
The second thing to note is more significant to me (focusing on the 18-29 group): The poll asks for "very positive", "somewhat positive", "somewhat negative", and "very negative". The "very positive" for socialism was small (9% in 2022). There is a valid point that younger people have a more positive view of socialism than older generations, and that was the only age group where total positive views of socialism were larger than positive views of capitalism (44% vs 40%). But those that are very enthusiastic about it are still a small minority, even among young people.
If you really want to see an even bigger gap between groups in the poll results, look at family income. To absolutely no one's surprise, the positive view of capitalism is 70% for those in the "upper income" group compared to 45% for those in the "lower income" group. There isn't nearly as much of a difference in positive views of socialism: (33% for both upper and middle income groups vs. 45% for lower income groups.)
I looked at the questions for the CATO poll, and I also downloaded the whole set of results. Sure, 34% of young people (18-29) had a favorable view of communism*, but 81% of them also said that there's nothing wrong with people trying to make as much money as they honestly can. Which is then kind of contradicted by the 46% that thought that it was immoral for a society to allow billionaires to exist. And the 64% that thought that it was bad to allow people to get too rich because they'd have too much political power and threaten democracy.
The conclusion to draw from this is that these kinds of polls don't tell us much. If you really want to know what people think, ask them what specific policies they support or oppose.
*I also thought it was funny that 18% of poll respondents that called themselves libertarian had a positive view of communism.
These kid's aren't just against capitalism, they are for socialism and communism. I didn't bring it up in a vacuum, you just didn't read the article.
Polls and anecdotes apparently scare the shit out of you, but I care a lot more about what policies the politicians that get elected will try and implement. And any general stupidity among voters economics is due to them not paying attention to what the politicians are actually doing that affects their bottom line. They let themselves get distracted by whatever outrage du jour politicians use. (Politicians that don't give two shits about the voters other than to manipulate them into putting them in office.)
Mass immigration, no chance, has played a major hand in this. Nor has simply doubling the workforce by putting women in as full time workers.
Nope, THOSE acts had no negative impact on upward mobility.
Another reply that counters something I did not say.
Did I say anything in that post regarding an explanation for why upward mobility has decreased over the last several decades? No. I was pointing out that Camp was wrong to state that, "The good news is that never before in human history has a person born into poverty had more opportunity to escape it." Thank you for implying that my criticism is correct on that, at least.
Maybe it was those Jordanians in Gaza that have ruined the American Dream...
Have you ever noticed the same people who hate capitalism have never lived in a socialist, much less a communist, state?
I lived in Scotland for a bit. By the MAGAT definition, that's a socialist government. It was quite a nice place to live.
Why didn't you stay there if it was so great? (serious question)
Scotland is not socialist; the ruling party, the SNP, has a left lean, but the economy is mixed.
The SNP is a contradiction. Being Scottish Nationalist Party but recently had a Party leader who held ethnic Scottish people in contempt.
Sounds dreamy.
"There is no way that is what life is about. I want to have fun, like I actually want to have fun, and I don't understand why this is the norm and we're putting up with this."
Meanwhile, back here in reality, just try to have fun with everyone else who just wants to have fun and NOBODY is manufacturing or fixing the machines that make your fun possible; and NOBODY is planting, cultivating, harvesting, storing or distributing the food you cannot live without! They're all out doing fun things like you. This fantasy is all about some imaginary robot manufacturing and maintaining the machines and producing the food, water, shelter and clothing that make the fun things possible. It's entirely possible to expect more and more automation making us all wealthier and wealthier and freeing up more and more leisure time for the fun stuff - but ONLY if everyone continues to contribute their share of "work" to "the system!"
Having to put in effort to earn your supper predates humanity. How much "fun" does this person think humans from prehistory had compared to finding food and avoiding becoming some big cat's or other predator's lunch?
Anyone that thinks work should be 'fun' really don't understand the concept of work.
One can enjoy their work, perhaps even find meaning in it, but expecting to find a job that is 'fun', provides meaning, and pays a fuck load of money is absolutely wishful thinking. It's not impossible, but then it's also possible they might win the lottery tomorrow too.
That feels like 'here are three options, pick two' situation.
In such a world, who exactly scrubs toilets for a living? Last I checked there isn't some huge group of people out there who think work like that is the best thing ever.
Amusingly, in their own preferred system of government they would be assigned toilet cleaner or ditch digger and if they didn't like that they would graduate to 'prisoner' or 'bullet catcher'. I wonder how much 'meaning' they could glean from that.
When did "Narcissistic personality disorder" become a career?
Since democracy was invented? I blame the Greeks.
Yes but also NO!
Capitalism is the best system mankind has developed and it is the only one that leads to long term success. Where you and many pro-Capitalists especially old school neocons like PagerU get it all wrong is pretending like as if America runs on pure capitalism when we've not had pure capitalism in hundreds of years. It is still possible to operate within pure capitalism in the US but ONLY if you don't achieve to much success and or catch the eye of one of the big boys or become a threat to them. You can still create a new business and one a few locations and even establish a corporate HQ and maybe even go international but only so long as what you have doesn't become what one of the fortune 500 wants. Once you do you exit Capitalism and enter crony Capitalism, and it is the refusal to acknowledge this problem that keeps cost the pro-capitalist new recruits. When you pretend like as if we don’t have a crony capitalism problem in the West you give fuel to the anti-Capitalists arguments! All of you know damned good and well that once you are ether a threat to one of the big companies and or create something they want you’re only option is to sell it or risk loosing it entirely for they will use the government security and preferential treatment they pay for annually (via campaign donations) to either drive you bankrupt or force you under some other way.
You can keep calling the young lazy pro-Marxist and continue ignoring their concerns but that will only result in more and more who support some form of collectivist governance for they do it out of desperation. Keep pretending like as if there are no problems with how Capitalism is working in the West today and you will eventually write the eulogy for Capitalism!
“once you are ether a threat to one of the big companies and or create something they want you’re only option is to sell it or risk loosing it entirely for they will use the government security and preferential treatment”
Did you see the movie Tucker? My shop teacher showed it to us in middle school, and it’s stuck with me ever since.
/sigh
As you, yourself, described in the preceding passages of the post this sentence concludes, there are no problems with how Capitalism is working because the system is not Capitalism. You call it Cronyism. I call it Coporatism. But it is not "Capitalism."
There are no problems with Capitalism (the free and voluntary exchange of goods and/or services). The problem is that some people simply cannot mind their own damned business, and actively work to stop other people from freely and voluntarily exchanging their goods and/or services. Whether it is to "protect" the consumer/environment/endangered species/children/workers ... or hinder innovation to
avoid destroyingprotect obsolete industries and jobs (e.g. buggy whip and candlestick makers)... (e.g. regulations) from some perceived evil or harm or to preserve market dominance (e.g. rent seeking), Capitalism is constrained to the point that it does not truly exist in any functioning form anywhere.Anyone openminded enough to have read the early works of Marx, in which with deep insight and historical acumen, he describes how capitalism, in making of both the creation of labor and then labor itself a commodity, a thing for exchange, has caused alienation, apart from the misery of slavery and exploitation by which capitalism came to dominate the world, of those working in its fields, nines, and offices.,
To claim ". Blaming capitalism is a fantasy, a rhetorical escape, that allows people to shift the blame from their own choices to a powerful external force outside their control. " is to dismiss the ways that capltalism, thru slavery, exploitation, imperialism, and globalism has eroded the comforting aspects of . Blaming capitalism is a fantasy, a rhetorical escape, that allows people to shift the blame from their own choices to a powerful external force outside their control. community life, and reducing us all to atoms in a mechanical universe, ruled by money and power,
A hundred years or more after Marx, Durkheim described this world of the typical citizen in the capitalist world in terms of anomie, apathy, and suicide. It is not a new insight, spawned by social media, but an old truth, gaining currency among the young, those least indoctrinated by a lifetime of propaganda and capitalist advertising, those most able to break free from the dogmas that hinder us from seeing that our choices are conditioned by a capitalist world, molded by advertising, to create the choices that the capitalist class needs to profit. To ignore the way that capitalist institutions mold our choices and our illusion of freedom (coke or pepsi?) is to display the most profound sense of being a victim of the sociological forces of capitalism, most immediately the denial that in your slavery, you are free. This article is an example of what Goethe meant when he said: “None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.” The young have seen thru the veil of "freedom" that capitalism imposes on its slaves and are beginning to understand that misery is a social condition, a product of institutoins and forces that mold us and imprison us...and that is why they are abandoning capitalism, in an effort to overcome the misery they found while trying to conform to it.
If you think capitalism enslaves people, wait until you see what communist countries have done.
No, wait, you don't have to say it. 'True socialism has never been tried'.
Never mind that if 'true socialism' or 'true communism' worked, it would already be what we do since it's a lot more similar to tribal politics than the enlightenment.
What a bunch of intellectual masturbation; an orgy of logic-defying mental gymnastics tossed in a nearly incoherent word salad.
Capitalism, properly understood, is simply the free and voluntary exchange of goods and/or services.
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."
In socio-political contexts (not engineering or software), by definition, a "slave" is the property of another person and has no free agency, beyond escape or revolt, to assert against their own condition. He may be bought or sold as just another commodity. He may be abused, even dismembered or destroyed, at the whims of the property owner. As his condition is, by definition, not free it is antithetical to Capitalism (i.e. the free and voluntary exchange...).
I love that they're posting their critiques of capitalism on highly capitalistic platforms, not on government stuff like Minitel.
The greater the irony is how oblivious they are to the irony...
We should all get our advice on society, economics, and government from "useful idiots".
Bravo Emma. Clear and well-supported, and enjoyable to read. “ we shall watch your career with great interest…” bwahahaha
Free market capitalism and international trade are the two main reasons humanity currently lives a life of unprecedented material abundance.
So of course, one political party is trying to destroy capitalism, and the other is trying to destroy international trade....
Both major parties lack principles. Its their defining feature.
Brilliant article!
How many hours per day do you spend on TikTok, Emma?
All you ants need to work so I can enjoy the grasshopper lifestyle I deserve.
The LAW says that a corporation's FIRST priority is to the stockholder - the community, the environment, and human beings, BE DAMNED. So yes, that facet of capitalism is absolutely NUTS.
No law sets priorities for any corporation.
That is, until recently, ESG laws that set the very priorities you say they prohibit.
Yet far more damage has been done to the community, the environment, and human beings by rulers who insist they have no evil profit motive (unlike those evil Capitalists).
I would rather live for a thousand years under "that facet of capitalism [that] is absolutely NUTS" than ten years under any anti-capitalist system that has always inflicted untold misery and horror on the very people they are trying to make perfect.
The very LAW you say is NUTS has done FAR MORE to ensure corporations contribute to the community, protect the environment, and even make human beings happy, than anything any meddling bureaucrat has ever done!
If nobody's making stuff ... there won't BE any stuff.
- Elon Musk (big-time Maker)