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Government Spending

We're Lying to Ourselves About Taxes, Spending, and the Debt

It's time to ask what level of spending Americans truly want with the money we actually have.

Veronique de Rugy | 7.31.2025 12:03 AM

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Having extended most of the 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act and added even more tax breaks, Congress is once again punting on the central fiscal question of our time: What kind of government do Americans want seriously enough to pay for?

Yes, the "Big Beautiful Bill" avoided a massive tax increase and includes pro-growth reforms. It also adds to the debt—by how much is debatable—and that's before we get to the budgetary reckoning of Social Security and Medicare's impending insolvency. Against that backdrop, it's infuriating to see a $9 billion rescission package—one drop in the deficit bucket—met with cries of bloody murder.

The same can be said of the apocalyptic discourse surrounding the Big Beautiful Bill's reduction in Medicaid spending. In spite of the cuts, the program is projected to grow drastically over the next 10 years. In fact, the reforms barely scratch the surface considering its enormous growth under former President Joe Biden.

Maybe we wouldn't keep operating this way—pretending like minor trims are major reforms while refusing to tackle demographic and entitlement time bombs ticking beneath our feet—if we stayed focused on the question of what, considering the cost, we're willing to pay for.

Otherwise, it's too easy to continue committing a generational injustice toward our children and grandchildren. That's because all the benefits and subsidies that we're unwilling to pay for will eventually have to be paid for in the future with higher taxes, inflation, or both. That's morally and economically reprehensible.

Admitting we have a problem is hard. Fixing it is even harder, especially when politicians obscure costs and fail to recognize the following realities.

First, growing the economy can, of course, be part of the solution. It creates more and better opportunities, raising incomes and tax revenue without raising tax rates—the rising tide that can lift many fiscal boats. But when we're this far underwater, short of a miracle produced by an energy and artificial intelligence revolution, growth alone simply won't be enough.

Raising taxes on the rich will fall short too. Despite another round of loud calls to do so, like those now emanating from the New York City mayoral campaign, remember: The federal tax code is already highly progressive.

Here's something else that should be common knowledge: Higher tax rates do not automatically translate to more tax revenue. Not even close. Federal revenues have consistently hovered around 17 percent to 18 percent of gross domestic product (GDP) for more than 50 years—through periods of high tax rates, low tax rates, and every combination of deductions, exemptions, and credits in between.

This remarkable stability is no fluke. It reflects a basic reality of human behavior: When tax rates go up, people don't simply continue what they've been doing and hand over more money. They work less, take compensation in nontaxable forms, delay selling assets, move to lower-tax jurisdictions, or increase tax-avoidance strategies.

Meanwhile, higher rates reduce incentives to invest, hire, and create or expand businesses, slowing growth and undermining the very revenue gains legislators expect. It's why economic literature shows that fiscal-adjustment packages made mostly of tax increases usually fail to reduce the debt-to-GDP ratio.

Real-world responses mean that higher tax rates rarely generate what static models predict as we bear the costs of less work, less innovation, and less productivity leading to fewer opportunities for everyone, rich or poor.

If the underlying structure of the system doesn't change, no amount of rate fiddling will sustainably result in more than 17-18 percent in tax collections.

Political dynamics guarantee further disappointment. When Congress raises taxes on one group, it often turns around and cuts taxes elsewhere to offset the backlash. Then, when the government does manage to collect extra revenue—through windfall-profits taxes, inflation causing taxpayers to creep into higher brackets, or a booming economy—that money rarely goes toward deficit reduction. It gets spent, and then some.

It's long past time to shift the conversation away from whether tax cuts should be "paid for." Instead, ask what level of spending we truly want with the money we truly have.

I suspect that most people aren't willing to pay the taxes required to fund everything our current government does, and that more would feel this way if they understood our tax-collection limitations. That points toward the need to cut spending on, among other things, corporate welfare, economically distorting subsidies, flashy infrastructure gimmicks, and Social Security and Medicare.

Until we align Congress' promises with what we're willing and able to fund, we'll continue down this dangerous path of illusion, denial, and intergenerational theft—as we cope with economic decline.

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  1. Chumby   2 months ago

    The mess is visually displayed here:

    https://usdebtclock.org/index.html#

    1. Nelson   2 months ago

      The difference between the debt and the deficit is vital.

      We need to balance the budget.

  2. Mickey Rat   2 months ago

    We have known this for a long time:

    "A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship." Alexander Fraser Tytler

    1. debo10   2 months ago

      For the love of God, we are not a democracy, we are a representative democracy to protect us from voting ourselves into a tyrannical regime! Only the demoncrats can't seem to get that into their thick skulls! The complain about 'threat to democracy' with spending cuts, all while they steal our taxes! Cut the government, give the unskilled jobs to unskilled Americans who are able bodied or they don't eat, stop all handouts to trainable able bodied American, illegals, and countries that hate us, and retire the partisan and useless federal education department so we can actually train Americans to do the jobs of the future instead of bringing in foreign workers to replace Americans!

      1. Nelson   2 months ago

        So how do you reconcile your “it’s only one side” fantasy with Donald Trump’s BBB being the largest deficit spending bill investors?

      2. EdG   2 months ago

        Trump addition to National Debt 2017-2020 : $8.6 trillion
        Trump addition to National Debt 2025-2028 : $5 trillion (projected)

  3. VinniUSMC   2 months ago

    Fuck you, cut spending.

    1. charliehall   2 months ago

      Fuck you if you don't specify specific cuts to National Defense, Social Security, Medicare, and/or Medicaid. Without massive cuts to at least some of these programs you are cutting nickels and dimes rather than dollars.

    2. Nelson   2 months ago

      Cutting spending while growing the deficit is pointless.

      The only thing that can dig us out of this hole is balancing the budget.

    3. EdG   2 months ago

      March into your boss's office right now and demand a pay cut. Then go home, give your wife the credit card, and tell her to go on a shopping spree.

      That's how you lil' MAGAs run the government.

  4. TJJ2000   2 months ago

    "It's time to ask what level of spending Americans truly want with the money we actually have."

    It floors me how anyone thinks the USA can continue to exist while they pretend their [WE] mob of democracy/ts gets to define what the USA is.

    NO... It's time to ask the US Constitution what areas of spending is allowed by the people's (founders) law over their government.

    That ignorance by the left is exactly their act of treason/war against everything the USA is.

    1. charliehall   2 months ago

      ICE is not explicitly authorized in the Constitution.

      1. TJJ2000   2 months ago

        Their ignorance only topped by more BS Lies with a treasonous agenda.
        Article IV.S4
        "The United States" ... "shall protect each of them against Invasion".

        1. Squirrelloid   2 months ago

          Immigrants aren't an invasion.

          The constitution authorizes no laws on immigration. In fact, restricting immigrants was one of the complaints against King George in the Declaration of Independence. So it's highly unlikely the founders wanted the federal government to be able to restrict immigration.

          And there were no (federal) immigration laws in the US until well after the civil war.

          So historical text and practice suggest that our federal government was not granted the power to control immigration.

          1. Keldonric   2 months ago

            I agree. The Constitution should’ve been amended, but that ship sailed long ago — not just on immigration. For a long time now, power has expanded by interpretation, not by consent.

          2. EISTAU Gree-Vance   2 months ago

            It ain’t 1865 anymore and we don’t have half a continent largely unexplored and uninhabited.

            You want 3 billion third world poor people who don’t speak English with a 3rd grade education crawling all over each other in this country?

            Stop living in the past.

          3. TJJ2000   2 months ago

            More agenda driven BS Lies.
            1798 Congress passed the Aliens Enemies Act under Article IV.
            A whole whopping 11-years after the US Constitution signing.
            You'll spout any BS to serve your "invade the USA" agenda.

  5. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 months ago

    toward our children and grandchildren.

    Maybe twenty years ago. I highly doubt I'll ever see a dollar - a penny if lucky - of SS; that I've been paying into the "lockbox" for 30 years is just one more slap in the face from our gov.

    1. Medulla Oblongata   2 months ago

      You haven't been paying into anything, in the sense that *your* money is somewhere waiting for you in some lockbox.

      You have paid SS taxes. Period. Those taxes were spent to provide benefits to older people on SS. When the taxes exceeded benefits paid, the government used those taxes to do other things. They played some accounting games like loaning the money to themselves, placing IOUs in the "lockbox" to make it appear that there were actual "funds" available for SS.

      SS was designed as and always has been a tax-fund, pay-as-you-go system. It NEVER had "accounts", savings, "my money", "paid into" anything.

  6. Longtobefree   2 months ago

    No.
    The central fiscal question is "How much of the government I want can I make you pay for?".

  7. Rob Misek   2 months ago

    Fooling ourselves eh? Upon what recognition of reality do you base that conclusion?

    The economy? Our fictional economy, man made representation of what exactly? Complete with recessions, depressions exponentially increasing wealth for the wealthy and debt for everyone else.

    Keep it simple stupid. The purpose of an economy is ostensibly to encourage work and trade to the benefit of everyone in society.

    The purpose of money is nothing more than transferable work.

    Believing that an economy is anything else is fooling yourself.

  8. CountmontyC   2 months ago

    The first step would be to freeze spending at the current dollar amount with no program getting one penny more unless it comes from elsewhere in the budget. If you want more money for food stamps you must cut at least that amount from somewhere else ( for example the FBI). Let the various agencies fight over the limited dollars available and only the agencies and programs we realy need or want will survive.
    The second step would be a balanced budget amendment that would only allow deficits if there is a declared emergency ( requires a 3/5 supermajority in both the House and Senate and the POTUS's signature . A veto would require a 3/4 vote to override).

    1. charliehall   2 months ago

      That woule mean an actual reduction in Social Security checks, and actual cuts in Medicare payments to providers and in Medicaid reimbursements to states, not to mention layoffs at politically powerful defense contractors if not active duty military personnel.

      1. CountmontyC   2 months ago

        Your point? Until the annual deficit is gone we need to make choices about what we can actually afford. If you don't want to cut Medicaid tell me what you will cut to give Medicaid the money you think it needs. And even after the deficit is gone we need to start paying down the debt so we probably need to restrict spending for quite a while and limit growth in spending even after the deficit is gone. Current spending levels are unsustainable.

      2. Medulla Oblongata   2 months ago

        And?

        Fuck you cut spending.

      3. Nelson   2 months ago

        This is the crux of the matter, isn’t it? 75% of the budget is SS, Medicare, Medicaid, defense, and service on the debt. We can’t freeze most of that without Congress and Congress won’t do it.

        Discretionary spending, while comprising the entirety of the outrage from the right, can’t even begin to make a difference. Defense spending is almost as big as all other discretionary spending combined.

        If you balance the budget, the service on the debt will decrease slowly over time. There is no way to speed that up.

        Social security and Medicare are major sources of deficit. In order to get it somewhat under control, the cap on FICA has to be removed (apply to both earned and unearned income) and benefits need to be reformed. The two easiest reforms are to raise the age of eligibility by one year every two years for the next decade and allow Medicare and Medicaid to negotiate for all medications.

        Defense spending needs to be frozen. Ideally it would be limited to increases only once every two years, but that wouldn’t allow enough flexibility if needs arise.

        Any new spending programs should be required to have a six year sunset, allowing enough time to judge its effectiveness, yet requiring periodic authorization to continue the spending.

        “Fuck you, cut spending” is a mindless mantra, spouted by people who refuse to admit the extent of the problem and pretending that a simple solution could work. It can’t.

        1. EdG   2 months ago

          While I mostly agree, I believe Social Security and Medicare should be treated separately as they have dedicated funding sources that, with relatively minor tweaking, can be adjusted for balance.

          The rest of the budget, however, is a different matter. Unless revenue, i.e. taxes, are increased, there should be no increase in defense spending or homeland security spending, and there should be no giveaways to farmers and oil companies or any of the other socialized business entities receiving taxpayer subsidies.

  9. NCMB   2 months ago

    First step: Zero Based Budgeting

    1. charliehall   2 months ago

      That would probably eliminate Trump's military parades. But you can't zero base entitlement programs.

      1. TJJ2000   2 months ago

        Congress has no Constitutional authority for 'entitlement programs'.
        National Defense is only 13% of the budget.

        I swear you leftard Democrats only know how to FLIP what is USA is entirely on its head.
        What it is you pretend it isn't and what it isn't you pretend it is (hut hum: A Democratic [Na]tional So[zi]alist Empire.

        1. imppress   2 months ago

          "It's time to ask what level of spending Americans truly want with the money we actually have."
          What money do we have?
          Fiat currency is flexible.
          Quantitative easing erases "debt".
          The debt is a problem when inflation rises too high (a subjective amount)
          When inflation drops below 0, economies contract, like in 1929.
          If you cut public spending, it needs to be replaced by private spending or you get economic contraction.
          Deficit hawks, please describe the mechanism by which you would inspire private economic investment without government subsidy.
          I ask this with curiosity, not sarcasm.
          I will accept "contracting economies and deflation are good for an economy" and perhaps ask you to present the advantages over the current Keynesian stimulus response to contractions.

          1. TJJ2000   2 months ago

            How? You just do it.
            The USA survived 126-years without Fake-Fiat and leftarded criminal-scamming ?free? ponies accounting ledger games.

            ...and it was the fastest prospering nation the world had ever seen.

            The Federal Reserve Act of 1913 to bail-out the panic of 1907 is what caused the contraction in 1929. Just as Gov 'Gun' bail-outs has consistently causes economic chaos ever since. You'll never get anywhere intellectually trying to fumble through effects if you won't even address the cause.

        2. Nelson   2 months ago

          “ National Defense is only 13% of the budget.”

          Only, you say?

          1. EdG   2 months ago

            The same people that say "only 13%" are the ones who, like Veronique, claim that tax revenue can never exceed 17-18% of GDP. IOW, bullshit.

            1. TJJ2000   2 months ago

              "Look! Look! A unicorn!", distraction tool to the 87%-Nazi budget.

      2. NCMB   2 months ago

        SS and Medicare are entirely funded by specific, restricted use taxes and, in the case of Medicare, an additional monthly premium paid by the insured. Any excess revenues from those taxes/premiums above the cost of those programs are placed in specific restricted use trusts that may only be used to cover the costs of those programs. By law, the cost of those programs cannot exceed the current revenue from said taxes/premiums supplemented by funds in the program trust funds.

        1. EdG   2 months ago

          Yes! Excellent point that the SS/Medicare raiders want to ignore.

          1. TJJ2000   2 months ago

            "SS/Medicare raiders", Bill Clintons nickname.
            Course if you really want a blame-point that would be FDR[D].

        2. TJJ2000   2 months ago

          Yeah; You need to talk to Bill Clinton if you think that's still the case.
          As well as SCOTUS that ruled SS/Medicare payments are just a tax.

  10. Medulla Oblongata   2 months ago

    If you look at the spending vs revenue data over the last 40 years or so, this year's revenue would usually fully fund the government we had 5 years prior, or cause a small deficit at worst.

    Go download the data from somewhere like https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/hist01z1_fy21.xlsx and just do the math for (year x revenue - year x-5 spending) to see for yourself.

    I've never thought "Gee, the government we had 5 years ago was so deficient that I'm glad we're spending $1T more today."

    No actual cuts are necessary, if we could simply hold the line at simply not INCREASING spending for 5 years to give revenues a chance to catch up. Any ACTUAL cuts are then gravy, and if actual cuts are large enough then the freeze could be shorter.

    1. NCMB   2 months ago

      Exactly.

      FY2019 federal spending was about $4.45T, FY2024 federal revenue was about $4.92T (+$47B).

      Federal spending in FY2024 was about $6.75T, up 51.7% from FY2019. Interest paid on the national debt in FY2019 was about $404B and about $881B in FY2024, a 118% increase.

      The actual interest accrued on the national debt in FY2024 was $1.133T with a healthy portion of the interest payment pushed into FY2025.

      But if the rich would only pay their fair share…. Please. Stop fucking spending!

      p.s. We’re not spending $1T more than in 2019. It’s $2T more.

    2. Nelson   2 months ago

      “ If you look at the spending vs revenue data over the last 40 years or so, this year's revenue would usually fully fund the government we had 5 years prior, or cause a small deficit at worst.”

      Except Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and service on the debt (all non-discretionary spending that can’t be lowered without action by Congress) are all much higher than 5 years ago.

      This is just another version of “there’s a simple answer”. There isn’t. To think otherwise is to lie to yourself.

      1. EdG   2 months ago

        See: https://incendar.com/baby_boomer_deathclock.php

      2. TJJ2000   2 months ago

        ^THIS
        "This is just another version of “there’s a simple answer”. There isn’t. To think otherwise is to lie to yourself."

        There is no accounting ledger scam that 'makes sh*t'.
        'Guns' don't make sh*t.

        All these scam-artistry ways to pretend the USA can grow wealth (abundant human resources) without having to make/create them (i.e. EARN it).

  11. Uncle Jay   2 months ago

    "We're Lying to Ourselves About Taxes, Spending, and the Debt."

    This especially true when it comes to the national debt.
    Both parties put their heads up their butts when confronted with the number one issue in the United States and have no clue what should be done when the US goes into bankruptcy ala the old Soviet Union.
    So, I'm going to throw out my question to all you wonderful people out there I've been asking for years: What should be done when the US goes bankrupt?

    1. Rob Misek   2 months ago

      Depends who you ask.

      The Zionist occupied government ZOG, with their satanic Freemason base, would have you, the surplus population, die. Like they’re killing helpless innocent Palestinians in Gaza. The “Hannibal directive” applies to you too.

      Critical thinkers, in short supply, would judge the man made economy and rampant greed and corruption that advocate the policies that led to bankruptcy. Then they’d realize that as long as there are enough people willing to and capable of working, the economy should be strong. No excuse.

      1. Uncle Jay   2 months ago

        1. Thanks for the laugh regarding the Hebrews.

        2. Your answer is nonsensical as your rant against Israel and Hebrews.

    2. Chumby   2 months ago

      Balkanization is a possible outcome. Each new territory moving to a precious metal based currency would be ideal but I imagine it will be fiat/digital and the cycle would eventually repeat itself.

      Prep now or forever hold your peas.

    3. TJJ2000   2 months ago

      What should be done when the US goes bankrupt?

      STOP the UN-Constitutional [Na]tional So[zi]alist BS.
      Admit to ourselves it didn't work this time; as it never has.

      Restore the most prosperous governing structure known on the planet called US Constitutionally LIMITED Gov 'Gun' usage that defends Individual Liberty (Individualism) and ensures Justice for all.

      What should be done is a simple answer.
      Getting it done with criminal-minded Collectivist [Na]tional So[zi]alist[s] everywhere is another story.

  12. The Radical Individualist   2 months ago

    This was a very rational article. How did it end up on Reason? Not one anti-Trump rant, either.

    But I don't get how an article and subsequent comment on the US government's chronic overspending can ignore the balance of trade. Bring jobs and commerce back within our borders and balance the budget the old-fashioned way, positive trade balance like we used to have.

    1. EdG   2 months ago

      The United States federal budget was last balanced or in surplus from fiscal year 1998 to 2001. Presidential Administration: During the Bill Clinton administration. Result: The U.S. government experienced a budget surplus, meaning it collected more revenue than it spent. In 2001, the surplus was $128 billion.

      Then came George W. Bush tax cuts.

      1. TJJ2000   2 months ago

        Leave it to EdG to champion the good old glory days of when the Gov-Guns "STOLE more..." from those icky citizens..

  13. The Federal Farmer   2 months ago

    Hosea 4:6

  14. Neutral not Neutered   2 months ago

    Yup Trump is pushing ways to increase revenues including reducing taxes and reduce the cost of government. Why is there such resistance to addressing and fixing the problems plaguing America?

    It's sad how 50% of the population, working age, is not capable of supporting 18% of the population, over 65, on SS and have excess to cover the future?

    I get it the SS funds have been "stolen" by Clinton and Bush Jr which reduced the amount that was to grow over time through drawing interest.

    But the problem has been abhorrent spending passed by congress, printing money from thin air collapsing the value of the dollar, causing inflation and shuttering businesses through regulation since Bush Jr and his chicken little the world economy is collapsing lie.

    When the pork spending is removed and absurd ideological agendas like trillions spent to stop the climate from changing end then there is a chance to balance budgets and reduce deficits and the debt.

    Consider the Trillions wasted since Bush Jr and the too big to fail bail outs, the assault on energy and the global warming hoax and that alone could have shored up SS.

    Reduce the size of government. Force the spending bills to be targeted and specific, no more giant bills no one reads but must be passed to know what is in them. No more lame duck omnibus spending bills by politicians voted out by the people. This at least would be a great start.

    1. EdG   2 months ago

      Knee-slappingly hilarious, Lil' Maga Bro!!

    2. TJJ2000   2 months ago

      ^Very well Said +1000000000000000.

  15. voluntaryist   2 months ago

    If one right is denied, all rights are denied, because they are derived from the first right, LIFE.
    Taxation is denial of property rights. Money creation, i.e., currency expansion, is an indirect tax. Taxes are backed by deadly threat.
    It follows, if we allow our rights to be undermined, we are enslaving ourselves. The "American Revolution" was secession from slavery into sovereignty, from subject to "political equality" with all. That has been slowly undermined, starting with the national constitution.
    To regain our sovereignty we need to secede from the U.S. Empire and the use of deadly threat as a political means, replaced by choice, reasoned agreements.
    It's civil, innovative, moral.

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