The Trump Administration Says Its Speech-Based Deportation Policy 'Does Not Exist'
The government’s lawyers also say that supposedly nonexistent policy is perfectly consistent with the First Amendment.

In a case that went to trial in Boston this week, the Trump administration argues that its policy of arresting, detaining, and deporting international students for expressing anti-Israel opinions "does not exist." The government's lawyers also maintain that the supposedly nonexistent policy is perfectly consistent with the First Amendment—a less laughable argument that nevertheless is hard to reconcile with Supreme Court precedent, especially as applied by several lower courts.
President Donald Trump and his underlings, including Secretary of State Marco Rubio and Department of Homeland Security officials, have made it clear that they are determined to expel students, including legal permanent residents as well as visa holders, who have engaged in protests or other forms of advocacy that the government views as "pro-Hamas" or "anti-Semitic." Rubio says those activities, even when "otherwise lawful," justify removal from the United States because they threaten to undermine U.S. foreign policy interests.
The Trump administration claims it is targeting "aid or support" for "designated terrorist groups" and "unlawful anti-Semitic harassment and violence," neither of which is constitutionally protected. That defense is hard to take seriously, since the government avers that even writing an anti-Israel op-ed piece or peacefully participating in pro-Palestinian protests falls into those categories.
Two academic organizations, the American Association of University Professors and the Middle East Studies Association, are asking U.S. District Judge William Young for a preliminary injunction against the Trump administration's speech-chilling "ideological deportation policy." They say it amounts to blatant viewpoint discrimination, which is presumptively unconstitutional, and government retaliation for speech protected by the First Amendment.
To bolster that argument, the plaintiffs cite Bridges v. Wixon, a 1945 decision in which the Supreme Court held that "freedom of speech and of press is accorded aliens residing in this country." That case involved a longtime legal resident from Australia who was deemed deportable based on the allegation that he had been affiliated with the Communist Party.
"Once an alien lawfully enters and resides in this country, he becomes invested with the rights guaranteed by the Constitution to all people within our borders," Justice Frank Murphy wrote in a concurring opinion. "Such rights include those protected by the First and the Fifth Amendments and by the due process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. None of these provisions acknowledges any distinction between citizens and resident aliens."
The government's lawyers say the plaintiffs are overreading that decision. Just seven years later in Harisiades v. Shaughnessy, they note, the Supreme Court rejected the First Amendment claims of immigrants who were threatened with deportation because they had been members of the Communist Party.
The latter decision, however, was based on a deferential First Amendment test that the justices later repudiated. Notably, that standard applied to all speakers, including U.S. citizens.
"The claim is that, in joining an organization advocating overthrow of government by force and violence, the alien has merely exercised freedoms of speech, press and assembly which [the First] Amendment guarantees to him," Justice Robert H. Jackson wrote for the majority in Harisiades. Not so, Jackson said, citing the Court's 1951 decision in Dennis v. United States, which upheld criminalization of membership in the Communist Party based on a "clear and present danger" exception to the First Amendment.
The Court renounced that test in the 1969 case Brandenburg v. Ohio, holding that even advocacy of criminal conduct is constitutionally protected unless it is both "directed" at inciting "imminent lawless action" and "likely" to do so. When you combine that ruling with the holding in Bridges v. Wixon, the First Amendment argument against the Trump administration's speech-based deportation initiative looks a lot stronger than the government suggests.
Since Brandenburg, the Supreme Court has not definitively resolved the question of whether the First Amendment applies in the context of deportation. But several federal appeals courts have said it does. If so, it is hard to see how the president's crusade against students whose views offend him can pass constitutional muster.
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We have no need for hate filled foreigners to be here.
“Expressing opinions” =/= blocking students from attending class, occupying or damaging school property, harassing Jews, attending terrorist funerals, coordinating messaging campaigns with terrorists as they massacre 1200 people in barbaric fashion
See below
JS;dr
We have no need for hate filled native-borns to be here. Send then BACK UP their mamas' birth canals!
(Trumpistas can be trusted to determine exactly WHO is "hate filled", by the way. Just TRUST in them!)
(Anyone who opposes Trump policies is "hate filled"... Shit is THAT simple!)
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So then ignorance is strength?
Meh, it’s just some feral shit eater that should be burned alive with flamethrowers.
Yes this is the game being played since 2016. Democrats and media jumped on the hate bandwagon and anyone who is not on board with the Democrat agenda has been constantly attacked and berated. Anyone who tries to debate or dissents from the Democrat policies or ideology or even questions what they are doing were called deplorable, racist, fascist, white nationalist, xenophobic and the list goes on as you know.
What 70+% of people have seen and realized is the democrats and media are projecting their hate attempting to try and paint their opposition by accusing them of doing exactly what the democrats do.
All the doom predictions that the evil right wing will violently rise against America has never occurred but the democrats media and the left sure have acted as they try to accuse the right of being. Recent fire bombing of Teslas and attacks on ICE and law enforcement have reinforced this truth.
Yes, if ONLY we would LISTEN to the Sacred Wisdom of Dear Orange Leader!!!
Hang Mike Pence and Execute General Milley!!! Political violence WORKS if ONLY shit is directed at the CORRECT victims, ass determined by The People!!! And the TrumptatorShit IS The People!!!
I am glad you haven't listened to your overlords. Schumer Jeffries Watters and the many others who have actually called for violence.
The title and even the subheading is overt anti-Free Speech bad faith.
If you supported the 1A and agreed with it or the spirit of it, no speech-based deportation policy is what you would expect. If you agreed with the 5A and 1A, a "nonexistent policy is perfectly consistent with the First Amendment" is to be expected.
The supposition is entirely Sullums and it supposes Trump and the administration are guilty and that the need to find them such surpasses evidence as well as the letter and spirit of the law.
Even if such evidence were discovered, shared, or disclosed, Sullum shouldn't touch it as the implication that he would bias or taint it openly displayed. If he were the least bit of an honest journalist with credibility or personal responsibility to his audience, any evidence or objective proof would be the lede owed to a well informed populace, not the morally compromised de facto indictment of others' free speech.
Yes, I noticed that: The administration isn't denying that they HAVE a policy, they're denying that their policy is "speech based". Accordingly, they're not arguing that a non-existent policy is consistent with the 1st amendment, but instead that the policy they actually HAVE is.
Now, it's possible that they're wrong, or dishonest, it's not like we never see that in the White house. But Sullum is grossly misrepresenting the administration's position and what they are arguing in court. It's actually pretty pathetic, the sort of rhetorical tactic people resort to when they don't actually have a good argument.
Yup, we got so many hate filled MAGAs there is no more room.
Your retardedness is showing again this morning, Molly.
Our collective hate is crowded out by at least two orders of magnitude by the democrat population of a single blue city.
So fuck off with your lies Tony.
We have no need for hate filld MAGAettes either. Freedom is freedom...law is law...unless your a MAGA
People's eyes are open and they see the truth and know when schills project the Democrats lawlessness toward their opposition.
The border is closed now and the laws on the books are no longer being ignored as they were under democrat leadership.
Rubio sanctions UN human rights official who called for criminal action against Israel
That official is paid by us more than anybody else.
We have every right to condemn wasting of our money.
Mind you, most here would be quite happy just leaving the UN and kicking them out of the US.
JS;dr
JS;dr
Houthis imperil free trade, sink one ship, attack another, murdering three merchant sailors in the process:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hb8XdQWkMHQ
It's past time to carpet-bomb Yemen.
YOU can't kick me out of your house for what I'm saying!
I got 1A *ENTITLEMENTS* to your house! /s
Problem is ... The 1A doesn't say anything about having an 'inherent' right to the USA. And just as it is with all rights; if the right isn't 'inherent' it isn't a right at all but instead a self-proclaimed *entitlement* to someone else's stuff.
Self-Entitled claims like these is exactly what is F'ing up the USA.
Claimed 'rights' have to reside within the boundaries of what you own or it isn't a right at all but an entitlement that destroys someone else's property rights.
Such rulings shouldn't be that hard to figure out. Far too much activist-BS clouding people's basic sense of reasoning.
You are trying to be an activist against free speech. You would be much more comfortable in China or PRK.
But don't worry this corrupt AF SCOTUS will back Trump and his illegal ass bullshit.
1st) 14A ... "privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States"
Visitors don't have the same immunities as citizens.
2nd) Free speech all you want ... but realize that right doesn't guarantee you won't be UN-Invited. As I explained. This is just a deceitful approach to try to spin an inherent right into an entitlement (that isn't a right at all).
Two tier policing:
"Activist Montgomery Toms was arrested on Saturday by eleven police officers in Westminster, London, because he attended an LGBTQ+ demonstration wearing a large board that had the transgender-pride flag, the equal sign, and the words “mental illness.” Within about 30 minutes of his counter-demonstration, a police officer was filmed telling Toms that the sign “is going to antagonize,” “is going to cause friction within this crowd,” and “is going to cause a problem.” Toms retorts, “So, because of them, I have to shut my mouth up?” Rather than remove the sign, Toms walked away, and then the authorities arrested him."
"When LGBTQ+ activists released 6,000 crickets into the audience during a gender-critical conference held by the LGB Alliance in Westminster, the police detained several people but made no arrests; according to “Trans Kids Deserve Better,” the organization that coordinated the entomological chaos, the six activists either fled the scene or were “held by security for a period before being let go.”"
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/displaying-a-trans-critical-sign-gets-a-man-arrested-in-the-u-k/
It's pretty clear that the UK is fucked and a total lost cause at this point. Need to write off all of Europe.
We can still have good relations with Eastern Europe.
When LGBTQ+ activists released 6,000 crickets into the audience during a gender-critical conference held by the LGB Alliance in Westminster
OK, as a non-member of the "community" I need some clarification. This is the Shia LGBTQ+ activists terrorizing or antagonizing the Sunni LGB community, right?
Actually, nevermind, I don't care. The mental disease started with "2 men = 1 man + 1 woman" and intrinsically degenerates into a social victim hierarchy clusterfuck from there.
Jacob, just say you dont think foreigners have to follow the contractual requirements of what they willingly sign up for. They can lie on visa applications, violate visa rules, commit bad acts, etc. Foreigners are better than citizens. We get your view. It is retarded. But be honest about it.
I should also point out Jacob has multiple articles declaring trump responsible for J6 and incitement of the j6 riots.
So he truly believes foreigners who agree to visa conditions are above an elected president who says march peacefully.
Truly an amazing argument Jacob.
Trump was completely responsible for J6. His administration helped plan it.
Cite, with links, Molly?
Oh come the f on. Molly doesn't need to cite links that everybody is aware of. Trump invited his supporters to the capitol. Repeatedly. His people gave all the speeches (including himself). His people organized it. His people paid for it. Trump for months kept claiming the election was stolen and that if people didnt' do something, they wouldn't have a country anymore. The courts were corrupt and wouldn't hear his lawsuits etc...etc... Pence wasn't man enough to do what needed to be done. So ...who then... is going to save the country from being destroyed by the election of Trump's opponent??
Look here... a crowd of tens of thousands of people all riled up and nobody else to save the country from being destroyed. Who could have predicted they would take matters into their own hands?? Who I ask?
Fuck off and die, asswipe.
When Trump defenders say "Cite?" what they're really saying is "Go out and find some links so I can attack the sources, call you childish names, and unwittingly prove that sarc's right when he says I never matured a day after middle school."
Sarc, you know this is the response of the left, democrats and the majority of media.
Why are you trying to project this onto the right?
You can't tell me with an honest straight face that the democrats have been good for America and not fucked it since Obama became POTUS.
And you can't tell me with an honest straight face that Trump's policies and agenda, as flawed as they may be since no one is perfect, have not been far better for America than the democrat policies and agenda.
And finally you can't tell me with an honest straight face that much of what has had to be done by Trump should not have had to happen except for the inept agendas and failures of the democrats and GOP Presidents and congress since 2000.
Or are you one of the 20% who think the country was on the right track under Biden and not one of the 80% who now say Trump and the current GOP are putting the country back on the right track?
I think you've had too much to drink. Get back to me when you've sobered up.
Can't comprehend so you use comments directed at you by others as an attempt to save face?
LOL that was hilariously true.
No, what we're saying is that you had 4 years of a Democratic administration after J-6, you had enormous resources devoted to investigating J-6, you had the group that was actually convicted of planning it under intense surveillance for months prior with half their leadership being FBI informants, and not one scrap of evidence has surfaced that Trump planned and ordered it. If it had, you could have charged and convicted him of insurrection, and he would have genuinely been ineligible to run for President, so you had every motive to find and use such evidence. And yet, not one scrap of it.
So put up or shut up, already, we're tired of people like Molly lying about that.
Nothing says, "Taking matters into their own hands? Insurrection style" like throwing a fire extinguisher off a stage and one broken window! /s
The only thing more retarded than assuming Trump planned the extinguisher toss and broken window is the retarded Alarm-ism about the whole thing in the face of city blocks being taken over by guns (hut hum: CHAZ) and cocktail bombs burning down the city while looters run wild and calling it a peaceful protest.
Keep following the lefty-made BS narratives sheeple ... bah, bah...
No one would expect a MAGAette to be smart enough to know peaceful during the day and violent at night. NO city was ever burned down, but you fucking clowns love your hyperbole because truth doesn't serve your purpose.
"fucking clowns love your hyperbole because truth doesn't serve your purpose."
Leftard Self-Projection 101.
Too much ketamine can kill you. In a week or so the delusions should dissipate and after that maybe come back and re read your drivel. You might not be clueless anymore.
Nope, that’s bullshit. Democrats do the exact same thing, and with results at least a hundred times worse. You just hate him, because you’re Marxist filth and Trump won’t let you have your way.
If there were any evidence of that, it would have surfaced by now.
Yes it is a strange mental illness anomaly that people are believing Trump can read minds, telepathically put suggestions into people's minds and force them to do things though he never utters the commands or any words.
These same people also believe they can predict the future. And they always predict the future full of doom and gloom unless everyone bows down and falls in line with extreme left ideologies.
Psychiatrists must be beside themselves with this mass hysteria phenomena that continues to grow among 30% of the population.
I would love to put these organizations to the test and see if they still support the 1A when the govt instead tries to deport an avowed Neo-Nazi who is openly expressing his support for Hitler.
Many of the groups they are fighting for openly support Hitler.
I would expect them to support Neo-Nazis. "Free Speech" includes hate speech. Anyone, even immigrants on a green card, can support Hitler, the Holocaust, Hamas, Donald Trump, Il Duce, or any other bat-shit-crazy Fascist, dictator, or ideology.
By definition, "Protected Free Speech" must include unpopular speech, because popular speech does not need protection.
Does their residency agreement say that? They’re not citizens, so there are more limits on their speech and activities.
And really, do we need to tolerate a bunch of foreigners who are here agitating?
Same group also thought ending racial discrimination, DEI, was censorship.
So absent the general mischaracterization of *all* people being like *some* people who are superficially similar, do you have any substantive accusations against the actual people who are being deported?
For example, since writing an op-ed doesn’t prevent anyone from going to class or harass Jews, can you justify the actual actions in the actual cases? Or is it just stereotyping, guilt-by-association, bigotry, and bias?
Hey Nelson. Dumb ignorant Nelson. Go read the actual INA and relevant visa laws. It will save you the pain of being laughed at here.
Support of foreign terrorist groups and other actions have always been a violation of a visa.
Stop living in ignorance.
Revocation of a visa due to violation of terms is a civil act dumdum.
But if everyone, despite their actions, is not allowed to live in the US then we are being unfair!
“ Support of foreign terrorist groups and other actions have always been a violation of a visa.”
And writing a pro-Palestine op-ed isn’t supporting foreign terrorist groups. You are so mindbogglingly dense that you believe that words aren’t just violence, they’re terrorism. You make the “words are violence” folks look smart, and they’re idiots.
“ Revocation of a visa due to violation of terms is a civil act dumdum.”
The except for writing something the government doesn’t like isn’t a violation of the terms of a visa. And it’s protected speech. But strawman harder, Captain Fallacy. At this point it’s impossible for you to look any dumber than you already have.
“The except for writing something the government doesn’t like isn’t a violation of the terms of a visa. And it’s protected speech.”
Cite? You know, something more than your word.
>policy of arresting, detaining, and deporting international students for expressing anti-Israel opinions
Because such a policy does not exist.
A policy of expelling those calling for genocide and terrorism while trespassing, harassing, and threatenign others does.
Because such a policy does not exist.
Again, from the headline down his article is a bad faith repudiation of speech in order to indict the Trump Administration.
If he had a memo or a draft of policy titled "Plan to deport immigrants because of free speech or speech activism" or whatever that should/would be the headline for a well-informed populace to consume. It's not because either Sullum doesn't have it, he's more concerned with rightthink and policing people's thought on the matter, or both. It's Minitrue indicting their opposition of wrongthink on the premise of their own right to lie and manipulate the truth as enshrined by the 1A.
Exactly. And they don't have any due process right to dispute the assertion that what they have said calls for genocide and terrorism, and that they had trespassed, harassed, and threatened others. The government doesn't need to provide any more evidence of that than you just did.
^This steaming pile of lefty shit supports random murder-by-government:
JasonT20
February.6.2022 at 6:02 pm
“How many officers were there to stop Ashlee Babbitt and the dozens of people behind her from getting into the legislative chamber to do who knows what?...”
What is an asswipe like that doing posting on a libertarian site?
They get an administrative hearing. They’re not being charged with a crime. They’re having their residency contract revoked and then they are sent home. So they don’t get a trial, and never have.
None of this is new, despite your ignorance and retardation.
The 1A only protects speech that people like. It doesn't protect people who commit thoughtcrime.
Was the Supreme Court wrong in Harisiades?
He won't answer until he looks for it on reddit.
1952. So we're talking about the same Court that had just given a green light to the New Deal and ruled in the government's favor in the Wickard case. What do you think?
Answer his question, dipshit.
The Supreme Court is perfectly capable of telling us when it overrules its prior legal conclusions. See Obergefell v. Hodges, slip op. at 23 (June 26, 1015), overruling Baker v. Nelson, 409 U.S. 810 (1972), and Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization, slip op. at 5 (June 24, 2022), overruling Roe v. Wade, 410 U.S. 113 (1973)
Until then, inferior courts must follow Harisiades as they once had to follow Baker and Roe.
That's the exception, not the rule. You know, when they throw the peasants a bone to keep them happy.
Should Harisiades be overruled?
Hmm, so True Libertarians have to allow totalitarian movements to crush liberty because that is the libertarian way?
What do you mean? Libertarians have been pushing back against the Trump movement.
Leftists cosplaying as libertarians, sure. Even claiming lowering taxes and deregulation is authoritarian. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Only fake libertarians, like you and your morbidly obese top.
"The remedy for bad speech is more good speech."
If you don't want the U.S. to become a totalitarian state, then you do that by speaking up whenever anyone's rights are violated, and you vote only for a government that won't violate anyone's rights.
If we think that we can give the government power to punish people for saying things that we think advocates for totalitarianism, yet we would still be able to say whatever we want, then we'd be fools. There would be nothing to stop the government from saying that we were the totalitarian radicals or whatever other horrible word it wants to use to label us.
If you want free speech to be a privilege granted only to people that say the "right" things, then by all means, cheer this administration as it punishes the people saying things that you don't like.
Like when you defended censorship induced by government through social media?
Weird definition of “censorship” you have, since refusal to take down posts was met with … no action by the government.
In Jesse’s world, making a request and accepting a refusal is censorship. George Orwell’s got nothing on the paleocons.
Your take on Biden’s authoritarianism is pathetic. You’re nothing but a Marxist shill.
Have you been paying any attention? Trump and his defenders want a tiered system of rights that change depending upon a person's religion, national origin, spoken language, immigration status, and of course what they say and think. For example a Muslim from Afghanistan who speaks Farsi, has a green card, and criticizes Israel has no rights at all. They should be deported to the nearest torture prison. If they are Christian, from a country populated by white people, speak English, and praise the systematic destruction of Gaza, then they're more then welcome to stay as long as they want.
Translation: “TRUMP! TRUMP! ORANGE MAN BAD!”
Orange Man bad?!? He BAD, all right! He SOOO BAD, He be GOOD! He be GREAT! He Make America Great Again!
We KNOW He can Make America Great Again, because, as a bad-ass businessman, He Made Himself and His Family Great Again! He Pussy Grabber in Chief!
See The Atlantic article https://feedreader.com/observe/theatlantic.com/politics%252Farchive%252F2016%252F10%252Fdonald-trump-scandals%252F474726%252F%253Futm_source%253Dfeed/+view
“The Many Scandals of Donald Trump: A Cheat Sheet” or this one…
https://reason.com/2019/09/02/republicans-choose-trumpism-over-property-rights-and-the-rule-of-law/
He pussy-grab His creditors in 6 bankruptcies, His illegal sub-human workers ripped off of pay on His building projects, and His “students” in His fake Get-Rich-like-Me realty schools, and so on. So, He has a GREAT record of ripping others off! So SURELY He can rip off other nations, other ethnic groups, etc., in trade wars and border wars, for the benefit of ALL of us!!!
All Hail to THE Pussy Grabber in Chief!!!
Most of all, HAIL the Chief, for having revoked karma! What comes around, will no longer go around!!! The Donald has figured out that all of the un-Americans are SOOO stupid, that we can pussy-grab them all day, every day, and they will NEVER think of pussy-grabbing us right back!
Orange Man Bad-Ass Pussy-Grabber all right!
We CAN grab all the pussy, all the time, and NONE will be smart enough to EVER grab our pussies right back!
These voters simply cannot or will not recognize the central illusion of politics… You can pussy-grab all of the people some of the time, and you can pussy-grab some of the people all of the time, but you cannot pussy-grab all of the people all of the time! Sooner or later, karma catches up, and the others will pussy-grab you right back!
No, you dumb cunt. We don’t want to bring people here that hate America and are actively working to destroy it and kill us.
You really are a Marxist moron.
^This lying pile of lefty shit supports random murder-by-government:
JasonT20
February.6.2022 at 6:02 pm
“How many officers were there to stop Ashlee Babbitt and the dozens of people behind her from getting into the legislative chamber to do who knows what?...”
What is an asswipe like that doing posting on a libertarian site?
peacefully participating in pro-Palestinian protests falls into those categories.
But unlawful ones, like Mahmoud participated in, should get you gone. Stopping fellow students from accessing the school they paid to attend is theft as far as I'm concerned.
'The Trump Administration Says Sullum's Fantasies Are Not Worth Shit'
Fuck off and die, Sullum.
The Court renounced that test in the 1969 case Brandenburg v. Ohio, holding that even advocacy of criminal conduct is constitutionally protected unless it is both "directed" at inciting "imminent lawless action" and "likely" to do so.
If I was on my college campus, and I started chanting "Death to Hamas!", that would be protected speech. I was not inciting anyone to commit a crime in the present or immediate future, and it would not have been likely to encourage anyone to commit any kind of crime in the present or immediate future, even if it had done that.
Besides, "Death to Hamas," is vague. Hamas is an organization, not an individual, so "death" for Hamas doesn't have to mean the death of any actual people. Hypothetically, I could be referring to breaking Hamas up by imprisoning any members of Hamas that won't renounce it and cease participating in its activities, and doing the same in regards to people that provide it material support. That would effectively "kill" Hamas as an organization.
If someone was saying, "Death to Israel!", that would also be protected speech. The difference between that and "Death to Hamas!" is in our affinity for one and disgust and hatred for the other. That can't be the reason to punish someone that makes one of those statements. If speech that the government agrees with is allowed, but speech it doesn't like is punished, then free speech becomes a privilege granted only to those on the side of whoever is in power.
Some people seem fine with that, unfortunately. They seem to think that their privilege to speak their minds won't be taken away. They must think that they will always be able to choose a government that is on their side.
Did you sign an agreement to not produce speech related to terrorism or in support of such in order to be here?
They’re been told this hundreds of times now. They will just keep repeating their lies ad infinitum.
^This slimy pile of lefty shit supports random murder-by-government:
JasonT20
February.6.2022 at 6:02 pm
“How many officers were there to stop Ashlee Babbitt and the dozens of people behind her from getting into the legislative chamber to do who knows what?...”
What is an asswipe like that doing posting on a libertarian site?
The democrats have seemed fine with that since 2008 as you described, slinging their hate towards anyone who doesn't bend the knee to them.
LMFAO the fact a MAGAette could type such hypocritical words like a snowflake crying makes my day!
Get some help
Libertarians: We must let terrorism supporters from anywhere in the world into America.
Also Libertarians: Why can't we appeal to more than 1% of the population? What is wrong with them?
Your standard for “terrorism supporter” looks exactly like “person who expressed no support for terrorism whatsoever”. Do you think if you repeat untrue things enough times they magically become true?
That defense is hard to take seriously, since the government avers that even writing an anti-Israel op-ed piece or peacefully participating in pro-Palestinian protests falls into those categories.
Because it does. There are no "peaceful" pro-Hamas protests. Anti-Israel op-eds, at least the ones we're talking about, are pro-Hamas propaganda.
Hamas is a TERRORIST ORGANIZATION. Anybody linking hands with them isn't singing kumbaya.
Stop being intentionally retarded, Sullum.
So just so we are clear. Anybody who criticizes Israel's actions in its ongoing war against Hamas in Palestine is by definition Pro Hamas?
So if i have a problem with Israel dropping bombs from a fighter jet on a food distribution site killing woman and children... I am pro Hamas?
Just want to set the boundaries here. Because I think there are pro-palastinian activists who are anti-hamas and your wide net would capture them even though those people would be natural allies against hamas all other things being equal.
if i have a problem with Israel dropping bombs from a fighter jet on a food distribution site killing woman and children... I am pro Hamas?
If the food is going to Hamas, yes.
"...Just want to set the boundaries here..."
You suck at concern trolling; fuck off and die.
"So if i have a problem with Israel dropping bombs from a fighter jet on a food distribution site killing woman and children... I am pro Hamas?"
Yes because that accusation came from Hamas as propaganda. I'll add, Hamas presented the accusation as they hid under children's beds and behind child and human shields.
You do realize that the Palestinian people were finally getting food and aid once Israel and the US set up secure distribution? Previous to this Hamas was working with people inside the UN and confiscating aid and goods and then charging the Palestinian people for it.
And when Palestinian people tried to evacuate from areas that the IDF forewarned would be attacked Hamas was shooting at them trying to stop them from leaving.
You cannot be pro-palestine without being pro-Hamas. They mean the exact same thing.
In large part because there is no "Palestine." It's only Hamas. Anyone who doesn't accept that reality, or isn't actively grooming their children into little future genocidal terrorists, fled a long time ago.
So if i have a problem with Israel dropping bombs from a fighter jet on a food distribution site killing woman and children... I am pro Hamas?
Why would you have a problem dropping bombs on terrorist camps... unless you're pro... wait for it.
“ You cannot be pro-palestine without being pro-Hamas”
Tell me you can’t intelligently analyze anything without saying it.
Nelson, I don't know how to make it any more plain to you.
Palestine = Hamas.
Hamas = Palestine.
They are the exact same thing. There is no differentiation between them whatsoever. This thing you call "Palestine" - it doesn't even exist. It's not a real thing. It's a euphemism for Hamas.
The analysis is just fine. You simply don't accept the reality of it, because you'd rather live in magical opposite land clown world where terrorists are sympathetic good guys that just want to peacefully coexist after murdering everyone they hate, while people who like freedom and autonomy but hate genocide and oppression are the true evildoers.
And that my friend, is the self-destructive brain rot that comes from your marxist critical theory indoctrination.
the Trump administration's speech-chilling "ideological deportation policy."
I am 100% ok with chilling the speech of foreigners who advocate for terrorist organizations like Hamas. ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY ARE HERE AT OUR INDULGENCE. GTFO
“ That defense is hard to take seriously, since the government avers that even writing an anti-Israel op-ed piece or peacefully participating in pro-Palestinian protests falls into those categories”
Raising money for terrorist organizations is criminal.
Deport!
don't worry this corrupt AF SCOTUS will back Trump and his illegal ass bullshit.
Well yes butt... THAT is twat I was worried about! SCROTUS will Scrote us up the ASS, is twat I am worried about!
(I must run off to buy some Vaseline now; there is a run on Vaseline, ass I have heard shit said!)
Why not save yourself all the anger and stress and move to Cuba and have the amazing life you dream about since based on your own words America is not for you.