Female Nude Spa in Washington Can't Bar Transgender Clients With Male Genitalia, Federal Court Rules
Olympus Spa had sued on First Amendment grounds.

A female nude spa in Washington state cannot bar preoperative transgender women, a federal court ruled last week, rejecting the claim that forcing the business to serve customers with male genitalia violated its First Amendment rights.
In 2020, Haven Wilvich, who identifies as a "nonbinary trans woman," filed a complaint with the Washington State Human Rights Commission (WSHRC) after allegedly being turned away from Olympus Spa in Lynnwood, Washington, for having a penis. Olympus, which has another location in Tacoma, is a traditional Korean spa that offers full-body scrubs and massages, and requires nudity in its pool area, which is why it caters to a single-sex clientele. (The spa also accepts postoperative transgender women.)
The WSHRC, however, said the business's policy ran afoul of the Washington State Law Against Discrimination, otherwise known as WLAD, which prohibits discrimination on the basis of "race, creed, color, national origin, citizenship or immigration status, sex, honorably discharged veteran or military status, sexual orientation, or the presence of any sensory, mental, or physical disability." Sexual orientation, under state law, is defined to mean "heterosexuality, homosexuality, bisexuality, and gender expression or identity."
After entering into a settlement with the WSHRC in October 2021, Olympus Spa sued, alleging the state's enforcement against it violated its rights to free speech, freedom of religion, and freedom of association.
But none of those were applicable to this case, ruled the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit in May. "We are not unmindful of the concerns and beliefs raised by the Spa," wrote Judge M. Margaret McKeown for the 2–1 majority. "Indeed, the Spa may have other avenues to challenge the enforcement action. But whatever recourse it may have, that relief cannot come from the First Amendment."
The spa said the state had violated its free speech rights when the WSHRC forced it to change its policy on its website; the 9th Circuit noted that "compelled changes in conduct—which might incidentally compel changes in speech—are not reviewed as content-based speech restrictions." In other words, the government forcing a store to remove a "whites only" sign, for example, would not be a First Amendment violation, as the speech restriction would be a natural consequence of complying with the law.
The spa further said the state had infringed on its freedom of religion by forcing the owners to violate their Christian beliefs around modesty, allowing clients with male genitalia to comingle with naked female clients, who can be as young as 13 years old. "Though we recognize that the Spa's desire to perform acts that contravene WLAD's mandate is motivated in part by religious belief," McKeown said, "the HRC's action under WLAD does not prohibit the Spa from expressing its religious beliefs."
And the spa's freedom of association objection, the 9th Circuit said, failed to pass legal muster because the business is neither an intimate nor an expressive association. "That right protects both 'intimate association,' that is, the 'choices to enter into and maintain certain intimate human relationships,' and 'expressive association,' which is 'a right to associate for the purpose of engaging in those activities protected by the First Amendment—speech, assembly, petition for the redress of grievances, and the exercise of religion,'" wrote McKeown. "Business enterprises serving the general public typically lack" the qualities of an intimate association, she noted, which is why they are usually subject to antidiscrimination laws. And to classify a nude spa as an "expressive association," she added, "would stretch the freedom of association beyond all existing bounds."
At the core of the decision is Washington state's definition of sexual orientation. "Washington chose an expansive definition" of that term, the 9th Circuit said. "The Spa simply did not challenge the statute itself"—opting instead for its First Amendment argument—"and it is not our role to rewrite the statute." That would have to come from the Legislature.
The decision "seems correct to me under current law," says Eugene Volokh, an expert on First Amendment issues and formerly a professor of law at UCLA. Masterpiece Cakeshop, Ltd. v. Colorado Civil Rights Commission (2018)—the Supreme Court decision that ruled in favor of a cake baker who declined to make a wedding cake for a same-sex couple—would not apply here, Volokh notes, as that ruling was narrowly based on the Colorado Civil Rights Commission's explicit hostility toward the baker's religious views. "There was nothing like that in this case," he says, "nor was there evidence (which the Masterpiece Cakeshop majority also pointed to) that religious objectors were being treated worse than people with very similar secular objections."
That will likely dissatisfy many people, however, who do not want to see a private establishment legally obligated to place naked biological men among biological women—a requirement that would upend the sex-segregated business model core to Korean spas.
So how might Olympus Spa have proceeded in court with more success? "I expect there might be some constitutional right to privacy claim, either under the federal Constitution or the Washington Constitution," says Volokh. "But it's not clear whether that applies outside the context where the observation by the opposite sex is genuinely coerced, as it is in prisons. There is no federal constitutional right to be naked in a relatively public place."
That leaves another avenue: changing the law itself. "WLAD's governing regulations permit the maintenance of certain 'gender-segregated facilities,' such as 'restrooms, locker rooms, dressing rooms,' and similar spaces, so long as the facility does not remove or otherwise take action against a person for reasons '[]related to their gender expression or gender identity,'" the 9th Circuit notes. An exception could be introduced, then, "allowing places of public accommodation to segregate facilities by gender however the places define it – including, if they wish, anatomical gender," says Volokh.
In dissent, Judge Kenneth K. Lee did not confront the plaintiffs' First Amendment arguments. Rather, he disputed the notion that the text of WLAD prohibits discrimination against transgender people. It's a difficult argument to make, though, when considering that sexual orientation as defined under state law explicitly includes "gender expression [and] identity"—a reminder that the responsibility, and the blame, for these problems often lies with lawmakers.
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shame a handful of perverts can sink a ship.
You know who else likes getting their hands full of perverts?
Diddy?
You mean Biden and Harris ?
“Let’s be clear: Transgender equality is the civil rights issue of our time. There is no room for compromise when it comes to basic human rights.” (From a tweet by Joe Biden, January 25, 2020)
“To all transgender Americans watching at home, especially the young people. You’re so brave. I want you to know your president has your back.” (Delivered during his first joint address to Congress in April 2021)
Elect fools and don’t be surprised.
I also believe in equal rights for transgender Americans. Trans women should have the same rights as any other man.
All the times I was allegedly turned away from a women/woman-only space for having a penis, it never occurred to me to sue.
Hey baby, should I buy you a drink or would you prefer I sue the pants off of you?
And to classify a nude spa as an “expressive association,” she added, “would stretch the freedom of association beyond all existing bounds.”
Heaven forbid.
No court has ever stretched a definition.
How else can you work backwards from a desired ruling?
The ruling is clearly correct under current law. Doesn’t mean I like it, but blame the law, not the court. Personally, I think we need far stronger protections for freedom of association, and anti-discrimination laws should apply to governments but not private parties. If some goober wants to open the Ku Klux Kafe and serve only straight white Protestants, they should be allowed. I’d never set foot in the place or spend one red cent of my money there, despite being incredibly white and able to pass for a straight Protestant, but I don’t think the state has any business telling them they can’t.
Mostly due to fear of stretch marks
maybe here penumbras are better left undisplayed.
You are getting close to the taint of the matter.
It appears these judges have never read this part: … the right of the people peaceably to assemble.
Problem with that is the pre-op tranny could claim he’s not interfering with them associating, just that they can’t exclude him, even though he could see their cunts and they could see his dick. Stronger ground would be privacy. Their privacy is unreasonably compromised while exercising their right of association.
But calling a man a woman does not?
Up next, strip clubs are protected by the first amendment.
Your freedoms end where my obscenities begin :^)
Personally, I think the definition of freedom of association needs some serious stretching.
I just screamed “Eew” at the top of my lungs right in the middle of the breakroom.
Why do you hate ladydick?
Because things that are different are scary!
Has anyone tried changing the terms used a bit. Instead of “women only” it could be “people born with vaginas only”. Of course it’s absurd that we even have to contemplate that since only a few years ago, everyone knew what the fuck a woman was.
And even if you want to say that sex and gender are not identical, doesn’t “female” refer to the biological sex, not the gender delusion?
Has anyone tried changing the terms used a bit. Instead of “women only” it could be “people born with vaginas only”.
Because that gives ground to a retarded ideology. We have very short words for the two sexes, and they’ve worked fine for 60,000,000 years.
Sexes and sexual reproduction go back to more than a billion years ago.
I’m talking about the words, not the biological reality.
Yes, but the history and present state of sex and sexual reproduction provides many examples of hermaphroditism and organisms that can change sex. Best to stick with the higher vertebrates here.
Yes, but the history and present state of sex and sexual reproduction provides many examples of hermaphroditism and organisms that can change sex.
No. This is akin to saying cloudy days and eclipses provide evidence that refutes heliocentrism and universal gravitation. Even in lower species that arguably could represent multiple different sexes, the reproductive processes are (re)categorized and sexual reproduction is *still* sperm + egg dimorphism. There are no organisms that reproduce in some Minecraft recipe (Plus this one weird hack!) fashion.
This is akin to saying cloudy days and eclipses provide evidence that refutes heliocentrism and universal gravitation.
No, it isn’t. Your convoluted analogies are usually better than that. I’m disappointed. My point is that saying that sexual reproduction has been around for a billion years is not useful as a refutation for the notion that human sex or gender can change, even in a binary way. Better to stick to mammals, who as far as I know, all have genetically determined sexes.
Really? Human language goes back to just after the dinos got wiped out?
Yes, I know that and made the absurdity of the situation clear in my comment. I’m just curious if anyone has tested it out legally.
And I also know that the activists are not going to be consistent in how they use their own terms. But I’m just a simple philosophy major and I like to explore the logical consequences.
“Why should someone who feels like their gender, but has a difference in mere plumbing, be subjected to the humiliation and horror of being surrounded by people of the other gender?”
Oh, I don’t know. Maybe I don’t want my biologically-female teenage daughter showering with someone who has a dick?
No – you don’t understand the ruling. The “Women Only” sign is fine. That’s 1st Amendment free speech,
They just aren’t allowed to enforce it.
They don’t seem to care when you got your vagina.
You mean like a “Whites only” sign or a “Only people whose parents and grandparents were all predominantly White European.” sign?
Once again, the problem is that everyone involved wants to have their free association cake, their public accommodation cake, and eat them both without gaining any weight or regulatory bloat too.
A female nude spa in Washington state cannot bar preoperative transgender women
Binion, you do the topic disservice.
They’re not barring ‘transgender women’. There is no such thing. “Transgender women” are not some kind of scientifically recognized ‘stable category’. A women’s spa wanted to bar men and the Federal court has basically declared that you can’t have a same-sex space. Once you UNwrap your head around the retarded language of trans, it all starts to make sense.
And for the record, I love me some feminists on this topic, but I’m always careful to remind them that they kind of started it in the 1970s when they fought same-sex-only spaces on grounds of equality. But that’s a different, bigger, longer and uncut topic.
Bottom line: There are two sexes, period, the end. El punto finale, es todo, no mas, el fin.
Also, I’m not sure why you noticed this going on… today… June 3rd, 2025. While Nick Gillespie thinks this is just about body autonomy and promethean transformations, I guess I have to ask you, why now? Why not 2015, or 2016, or 2017 or 2018 or 2019 or 2020, or 2021, or 2022, or 2023, or 2024? Why is this decision worth noting? Why are you railing about a government in a tiny, landlocked central European/Asian backwater, and yet you didn’t say jack or shit about the Tickel vs. Giggle case?
Shorter Reason in 2025: Hello my fellow kids, what’s up with this cuckoo bananas thing where a man calls himself woman and forces himself into the girls changing room and the courts are uniformly going along with it?
Also, my prediction in 2015 is 187% right, and I’m not happy about it.
But that’s a different, bigger, longer and uncut topic.
It’s a hairy topic, too.
The ironic omission of the most important thing is hilariously ironic.
Ironically omitted because it doesn’t generally try to pass itself off as a woman to invade women’s spaces or because when it invades women’s spaces it’s a guilty pleasure that they just don’t talk about it? Yes.
https://americanmind.org/salvo/thats-not-happening-and-its-good-that-it-is/
The Law of Merited Impossibility
The coinage is Rod Dreher’s and goes back to the early debates on homosexual marriage. As Dreher formulates it, the Law of Merited Impossibility holds: “That will never happen, and when it does, boy will you [homophobes, transphobes, racists, sexists, whatever] deserve it.”
This Law is used, first, to disarm resistance to the latest leftist enthusiasm. Whatever the innovation is, it will have no adverse consequences. None! Puberty blockers and disfiguring surgeries have no downsides whatsoever. How dare you suggest they might!
Its second purpose is to dismiss out of hand “slippery slope” arguments—despite, or because of, the fact that every single such argument over the last twenty years at least has proved true. Worried that allowing people to “self-identify” as whatever sex they want will lead to pervy 50-year-old men exposing themselves to’ tween girls? Insist, loudly and indignantly, that that will NEVER happen and anyone who suggests it might is an alarmist bigot with a heart full of hate.
The third purpose is to enforce the new caste system. Those who get to impose fresh irrational indignities on the rest of us are the upper caste. Those who object, or even have reservations, are lower. The latter are not allowed to harbor, much less express, any doubts. Whatever humiliation the upper caste has planned for us, we deserve and must meekly accept. Hence when said pervy 50-year-old actually does start waving around “her” equipment in the girls’ locker room, if any parent dares object, let ’em have it with both barrels. That thing that ten seconds ago you said would “never” happen? Now it’s righteous punishment for the retrograde.
It’s a process; you have to start with something that can slip through Overton’s window, and then use it the jimmy it fully open.
Lookout ladies, here comes swing’n dick is not the end of it.
A little rule I learned that helps me understand these terms:
Whenever you see the word “transgender” just replace it with the word “fake” in your head.
So a transgender woman is a fake woman, or a man pretending to be a woman. Makes it easier for me to keep track of what’s actually being said.
‘In 2020, Haven Wilvich, who identifies as a “nonbinary trans woman,” filed a complaint with the Washington State Human Rights Commission (WSHRC) after allegedly being turned away from Olympus Spa in Lynnwood, Washington, for having a penis.’
Cuz nothing speaks like a penis, right ladies?
Where are all the bitchy feminists from 10 or maybe 20 years ago, who wanted to make just owning a penis a federal crime?
They’re still here. Only now they have to accept a penis being displayed in front of them in their women’s supposedly safe spaces, and if they don’t like it, they’re sexist and bigoted.
Just put up a sign: “This is a penis free zone”.
Don’t they have woodchippers in Washington?
They definitely have a lot of wood.
They may not have woodchippers but they have the 737 MAX….nearly the same.
how is this narcissistic and histrionic behavior tolerated?
why is this narcissistic and histrionic behavior tolerated?
Control.
“Once your faith persuades you to believe what your intelligence declares to be absurd, beware lest you likewise sacrifice your reason in the conduct of your life…. Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices.”—Voltaire
How many steps from throwing kids into volcanos?
Not many; you’ll be doing them a service, according to the death cult.
Voltaire,a hypocrite often quoted my hyporcrites
Let us not pretend to doubt in philosophy what we do not doubt in our hearts.
Charles Sanders Peirce
Vol. V, par. 265 – Collected Papers (1931-1958)
Another business going out of business soon.
Anytime a business is driven out it is a win for activists.
Show me where the “trans” woman still hanging a vagina out wants to go hang out in a men’s locker room. Until then, these are all just dude pervs, albeit with a probable psychological disorder.
The few its that I’ve met who were born male and wanted to be female were not pervs. They thought they were women. Still do. Yes they’ve got a psychological disorder. Gender dysphoria.
That said, that’s their problem. Shouldn’t give them license to stick their dicks where they don’t belong. Pun intended.
Correct. These naturally born women’s rights do not end where these dude’s feelings about their junk begin.
That’s a funny way to say you agree.
The one I know best is definitely a perv with multiple personality disorder.
He just wanted to experiment with hormones and grow his own boobs.
This is Washington after all, Don’t expect any less.
Why is common sense uncommon? Seattle,, of course, the capitol city of ANTIFA and DEI Boeing.
Seattle is a loser city just like Frisco, Oakland, Portland, Chicago, etc, etc, etc and so on.
IF I owned that business, I would close it in a heartbeat. Then I would torch it.
Yes, but you have to make it look like an electrical thing.
Naw, that’s too boring. Dress in black, spray paint BLM and Queers for Palestine all over the windows, throw some Molotov cocktails. You’ll be a hero.
So this is what being hoisted on your own petard looks like.
Well ladies, way to be allies I guess?
They wanted a petard-free zone.
You seem unfamiliar with the conflict between LGBTQ+ and TERF.
Lots of women (especially the ones old enough to remember glass ceilings) who are rather pissed about men invading their spaces.
You seem unfamiliar with the conflict between LGBTQ+ and TERF.
Or he is familiar and any/all distinctions and derivative conflicts between TERFs and LGBTQ+s are completely and objectively indecipherable or irreducible and therefore meaningless to anyone not in either or both groups.
Is a flannel-wearing, butch, lesbian TERF who doesn’t want a bunch of cock in her locker room not a part of the LGBTQ+ community? How would anyone, TERF or not, LGBTQ+ or not, know beyond ‘biological women want/need spaces separate from biological women (and vice versa)’?
I’ve made this point before. There is no “TERF Community” or “LGBTQ+ Community”. The only thing linking them together is a vague extrapolation of an unwritten concept that doesn’t even sustain them as a group through their lives, much less through generations. It’s more of an abstract, inapplicable misnomer than the idea of “*The* Black Community” or “*The* AAPI Community”.
So you are not allowed to have female bathrooms, female locker rooms, female jails, female hospital rooms, etc.
where are all the fem-nazis? Men are taking over every safe space women had.
See my comment above.
(Semi) seriously, how many AWFLs and other activist women/feminists actually hate themselves? Do they actually like getting shit on?
If that’s what they want, then, that’s what they’ll get.
where are all the fem-nazis?
We call them TERFs now, and they’re no longer allowed to speak in public without being threatened with rape and violence to the applause of Social Justice progressives.
If the spa is making its case on religious grounds, then it should call itself a church.
That would mean no one gets to have a religious conviction just because they have a religious conviction. Anyway, your form of illogicality was tossed decades ago in the atheist conscientious objector case
The court ruled they can’t bar transgendered women on 1A grounds. The spa lawyers were idiots for bringing a 1A claim. The court did not say that the spa must allow transgendered women as a final ruling on all the merits.
It is awful that so many commentators here are intentionally misrepresenting this decision to push their homophobic hate.
Did they remove freedom of association from the 1a?
Why do you assume he’s homosexual?
Molly is a known idiot.
Iteration of Tony, who is the original known idiot.
Now watch Molly G come to his [own] defense.
Most perverts are not , shall we say, against something just because it is perverted. It’s a good guess
They aren’t gay, you window licker.
Hey, dumb cunt. You need to look up “phobia”. Despite what it might say in the Woke Pictionary Word Book, none of us are afraid of trans and other sexual freaks.
This asshole got the state of Washington to order a women’s spa to allow dicks.
Don’t blame the “transphobes” for hating this asshole.
So much for the Ninth Amendment protecting the unenumerated rights.
Women and girls hanging out naked is not intimate?
Naw, that would make the spa owner a pimp.
You really want to aggravate a woman, pretend her nudity isn’t expressive. You really want to crush her, tell her your find her expressions of nudity to be offensive.
Gov-Gun FORCED to Bake that CAKE!!! /s
Just another example of the STUPID written into the Democrats CRA 1964. Goldwater had that P.O.S. pegged exactly. It’s nothing but an *entitle-me* to the Gov-Guns and force others to serve me!
” . . . allegedly being turned away from Olympus Spa in Lynnwood,
Washington, for having a penis.”
In the real world:
Turned away for being a man.
Well that’s good news for Elizabeth Nolan Brown’s favorite hobby horse (so to speak), sex workers. Bad for civilization, of course, but hey, what’s a little civilization compared to a tranny’s ‘right’ to wave it in your face?
Can you imagine having so little going on in your life that you feel the need to sue for not being allowed to swing your dick in a place you’re not welcome? Get a fucking life. Oh wait, this is Washington, screw that, they made this farce of reality and can lay in the bag of discarded dicks they encouraged
Washington is the state where reality goes to die/ Their state animal is the rainbow colored Unicorn.
Liberals live in a separate reality from the actual reality, possibly from a steady diet if Peyote and mushrooms.
Pretty soon people are just going to figure that it’s faster and easier just to bayonet the granny. I for one would contribute to their legal defense fund.
Dammit- tranny, not granny.
It won’t be long. The rainbow sex cult is going to meet a very violent end in the very near future. They’re practically begging husbands and fathers to tie them to the back of their truck at this point.
Mark my words, that peasant revolt is coming – and nothing the media, academia, or the State can do will have the slightest hope of stopping it.
These people have one of two destinations: back in the closet, or into a grave.
Atheists and perverts have fewer kids and religious have the most.
I can foresee a Muslim international killfest for trannies and gays and perverts extraordinaire — and the key thing is one side will win.
Add gays to the long list of people you’d like to murder?
What is wrong with you, dude?
I don’t want to murder anyone. I go well out of my way to warn people about how to AVOID being murdered. And it’s really kind of the same message every time: just be a decent human being.
I mean, why is that so objectionable to you? Why are you – and the people you’re defending – so incapable of that very basic thing?
You’re poking the bear, sarc. I’m not telling you I want you dead. I’m telling you to stop poking the bear. Why won’t you listen? What is wrong with you? Like, in your brain.
Americans are suffering from fatigue: tranny fatigue, black fatigue, Jew fatigue, Ukraine fatigue, democrat fatigue, but mostly from B.S. fatigue.
The b.s. has gotten so deep, people have reached their limit.
This decision seems utterly absurd. What “free speech” or “expression” is being blocked by having a physically-female-only space?
In general, I’ve strongly supported federal judges trying to maintain the rule of law in the face of the Trump administration’s attempts to subvert it. But decisions like this, which seem like extreme caricatures of how judges uphold constitutional rights, undermine that effort by making it look ridiculous.
But Dan, you have a funny idea of subverting.
Biden was the King of trannie promotion, and he was so proud of it
https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/11/sam-brinton-comp.jpg?quality=75&strip=all&w=1200
All someone has to do is say they’re a woman, and they’re legally considered a physical woman. That’s what this decision says. This is what you don’t understand, because it’s so contrary to reality that how could anyone understand it.
It’s the same for women’s sports. They can show up stark naked, swing their junk around, and say, “But you have to call me Sally, she/her,” and that literally makes them an actual woman in the eyes of the psychotic LGBT and all their psychotic enablers. This is why they get so upset at the idea of “trans leagues.” Because in their muddled minds, they actually believe they’re women when they’re not.
Or, they’re exploiting progressive values because they’re very easily exploited (inmates, in particular, are loving this right now).
It gets even worse when you extend it to drag queens. Those are straight up minstrel shows. But everyone goes along with it because if Progressivism is said to have any principles at all, it is this singular one: reality is offensive.
And if you want to add a little religious spin to it all, that “principle” is nothing but their childish, immature rebellion against God.
“A female nude spa in Washington state cannot bar preoperative transgender women,…”
Which means it is illegal for it to be a business catering to females. Also, a person with a naturally occurring penis cannot be a woman. We have come to the irrational end of liberalism and equality where it strangles liberty.
I keep thinking that if a few million boys and men would claim to “identify as women”; they sign up for every college and HS girls track team, basketball team, soccer team, volleyball team…; men on corporate boards start claiming “100% women on the board”; men going into every locker room, bathroom, spa, gynecologists’ office…; just going anywhere and everywhere where having male presence would be disruptive…
Since the “rules” say you don’t have to have a doctor’s diagnosis, treatments, surgery, or even change how you dress…you can apparently just “claim” it and “so let it be written” happens, there can be no rational argument from the “real” trans people who are pulling all this shit.
I would think such a flood of obvious posers would get some of these laws spelled out FAR more precisely.
What deters this from happening now?
Rationality and the hatred of men. At any moment for any guy the lightswitch gets flicked and you become guilty of sexual assault. Even for the mythical “sane trans person” or “true hermaphrodite” the proposition is dicey and better alternatives for people who aren’t primarily sociopathic narcissists abound. Only the most cravenly stupid mental patients with nothing to lose and no one who cares to stop them try it.
So it doesn’t include biological sex. So what is the issue? How would sexual orientation even apply here?
This is really ludicrous. Even if the spa didn’t bring up that issue, don’t judges have brains? They could have simply considered a factor so obvious on their own. And the statute itself wouldn’t need to be overturned since again it doesn’t mention biological sex.
At some point these places will find more effective, passive aggressive means of barring entry.
Sorry, your card was declined. Sorry, we’re full.
Great idea. Much better than my idea of hiring a bouncer to beat the carp out of dudes who try to get in.
Bake the cake, Jack.
No ovaries, no mammary glands, no service.
In America, reality no longer exists. It’s whatever someone, including judges say it is. Liberal judges do not live in reality, they make up their own reality.
Once we get rid of liberal judges, actual reality will become the norm, once again.
If you have a penis, you’re a male. If you have a vagina, you’re a female.
End of conversation.
It’s a conversation they refuse to have. Want proof?
“Transgender Clients With Male Genitalia”.
They typed 12x as many letters as they needed just to avoid the 3-letter word “man.”
Tells you everything you need to know. The deception, the sophistry, the outright lies – this is all the proof you need that they aim to deny reality and mislead you to do the same.