He Escaped North Korea—Twice. Now He Warns People About Socialism.
"Just go to North Korea for 10 days and you'll know how bad it is," says Charles Ryu.

Bizarrely, 62 percent of young Americans hold a "favorable view" of socialism.
How can they be so ignorant?
Socialism has been tried by lots of countries. It's failed. It always fails.
China prospered somewhat only after they legalized some private enterprise.
Perhaps today's kids are ignorant because they're too young to remember the fall of the Soviet Union.
They should look at North Korea—the ultimate "socialist utopia."
I recently interviewed Charles Ryu, who escaped North Korea and made it to China.
"It felt like getting into a time machine and fast forwarding 50 years….24-hour running electricity.…All the food that I can eat.…It was life changing."
"We Americans think of China as a surveillance state," I point out. "They'll punish you if you say the wrong thing. But for you, it was freedom?"
"[The] Chinese government does watch your every move.…But in North Korea, it's 100 times worse."
He says North Koreans are so isolated that they believe even absurd propaganda. Ryu was taught that "[Dictator] Kim Jong Il…got mad when he learned what Japan had done to North Korea. He grabbed a calligraphy pen…and painted over Japan. As soon as he did, Japan started getting hurricanes and storms.…[We believed he was] some sort of God."
Ryu's time in China was short-lived. Someone told the Chinese officials that he was North Korean. China sent him back.
North Korea then punished him for escaping. "I was beaten…fed only 150 kernels of corn. One morning I was marching…I saw dry vomit on the road and was so hungry that I got on my hands and knees and began picking the rice out of the dry vomit. I didn't stop…until the beating from the guards was too unbearable."
Nine months later, he was freed from prison labor because "I lost so much weight that I was a worthless worker."
Eventually Ryu escaped again, sneaking past guards into the Yalu River.
"I carried a bucket pretending that I was getting water. As soon as nobody was looking, I quietly waded in. In the middle of the river, I slipped on a rock and I let out a gasp. A flood of light was on my back. The guard was screaming at me to turn back. He said that he would shoot me if I didn't turn back, but at that point, I knew I was dead either way…and I kept [pushing] ahead."
This time when he made it to China, Ryu avoided capture. He found a broker who secured him passage to Thailand where United Nations officials granted him political asylum. Then they sent him to safety in America.
Today, Ryu uses his experiences to try to educate Americans about North Korea and the dangers of socialism. On his YouTube channel he holds a sign that reads, "Ask a North Korean."
To Americans who praise socialism, Ryu says: "Just go to North Korea for 10 days and you'll know how bad it is.…You don't really know you have it good."
Ryu is only able to talk freely about his experiences in North Korea because he has no immediate family left there. Most North Koreans who escape the country cannot.
"If you talk bad about…the regime, that's the highest crime you can commit.…Your entire three generations of your family will be sent to political prison camp where you will never get out."
Ryu is thrilled to be in America. Here he was able to go to school, find a job that he enjoys, and marry.
"I feel like my life is complete now because all the choices that I can have.…I [can] travel anywhere I want…eat whatever I want…do whatever I want in America—a capitalist country. In North Korea, that's not possible."
I'm glad I live in America. I can freely criticize our government.
At least, so far.
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Sarc, any comment?
Or is Stossel a Nazi too?
John, like Tucker, is but one of the sadder wonders of the Post Neocon Age.
Stossel is a reliably libertarian commentator, Tucker, not so much.
Wut?
"the sadder
wondersvvonders"We get it, you hate libertarianism. We all knew that, but now you freely admit it.
AT, haven’t we learned in Iraq, Afghanistan, etc that you can’t make people democratic at the point of a gun? Taking over the shartholes and even W Europe or Canada would be disastrous since they’d soon vote in socialism.
Left Authoritarianism is by far the dominate political philosophy in the world today. To the extent any country has any liberty left now, it's because it's been imposed on an unwilling majority by elites.
The sad reality that the only real opposition to left authoritarianism today tends to be right authoritarianism.
The sad reality is that you can't fight bellicose communists by debating and voting.
During the 20th Century, communism killed more people [100-110 million] than all of the wars combined [38 million]; of course "One death is a tragedy, a million a statistic."
Hashtag diplomacy works! See the Obamas! And Hillary!
Thank you. I’ve been saying that here for over a decade. More is required.
At least now McCarthyism is returning. Which it’s important as the democrats cannot remain as a party.
False
I don't want to make them democratic. I want to make them American. I want to give them constitutional rights. I want to give them the power to challenge their oppressors and say, "You aren't getting away with that," and then have American Justice be in their corner.
Y'know, in China, there's a billion people - commoners and workers, average men and women - who are crazy fed up with the economic stagnation and their perceived powerlessness in the face of, and crippling fear, of reprisal. I honestly don't think it would take much for the slaves to turn on their masters - I think if someone were to lead them, you'd see large swathes of them get in line.
Same goes for Africa, kept under the thumb of warlords, despots, and jihadists.
Same goes for Afghanistan. Their memories are not so short that they don't remember what it was like living WITHOUT the Taliban calling the shots.
You seem to think I'm talking about nation building. And you're quite correct when you point out that it's failed every time it's tried. But I'm not talking about nation building. I'm not talking about taming the savages. I'm talking about conquest, ending the savagery, and liberating the people - and opening their eyes to a reality they do not know or have any hope of ever attaining.
I mean, just look at what Ryu said. Plenty of Cubans tell the same story. They just marvel at how different/better things can be out from under the heel of oppression - once that get just that very first taste of it. Even if you go to the more left-leaning sources - take Malala, for example. Even if she has different ideas of what 2025 America should look like, she agrees 100% that it does not and should not look like Pakistan.
Nobody wants to be oppressed, BigT. Just like nobody wants to be a slave or a prostitute or a vagrant. Usually they just don't know any better, or how to change their circumstances, and ultimately resign and accept it as their lot in life. America didn't gain her independence because every colonist stood up at once and rebelled. It's because true leaders did, and the people who wanted the same thing followed them.
I guarantee you that if Ryu were still in North Korea, and we showed up and started kicking ass and taking names, he'd line up right behind us. I think that holds true for most people.
Maybe not the Muslims or the Cartels. (But I, for one, am totally OK with wiping them out.) Crush them, make examples out of them, and then look at the next belligerent and say, "You're next."
Would it hold forever? I don't know. Alexander the Great's empire fell. The Roman Empire fell. Maybe that's just something destined to happen to Empires. Or maybe it's caused by absolute power corrupting absolutely. I don't know. You're probably right in that the Champagne Socialists would want to vote for more socialism. Then again, maybe you'd have a bunch of recently liberated Chinese, Cubans, and Venezuelans ready to beat the snot out of them.
Either way, you can't look me in the eye and say that if everyone on Earth were an American, as opposed to literally anybody other culture, that Earth wouldn't be a better place for it.
Stossel/Ramaswamy 2028!
Stossel is too smart for that and Ramaswamy is too stupid.
Socialism, and it's political counterpart communism, are attractive ideals to sophomoric students and their like. So much so that, like Walter Duranty, will ignore the evils inflicted upon their populace because they truly believe it can be done "right." I mean like could really be the post scarcity world the Star Trek and we could all live in a truly utopian paradise; or so they believe. You just have to kill off all of the corporate greed and the self centered freedom lovers ["Beyond Freedom and Dignity, Walden 2," BF Skinner] and there will be paradise, I'm telling you. You will self deny and be happy.
To them socialism means having enough money to do whatever they want and not being held to any productivity standard at "work". Basically they all want to be Bernie Sanders: someone who has never contributed a thing to society but has multiple houses and private jet accommodations.
Socialism is the ELITES' Paradise!
Socialism is the ELITES' Paradise!
Socialism is the ELITES' Paradise!
...
https://champagnesocialist.com/
I [can] travel anywhere I want…eat whatever I want…do whatever I want in America
Even with the trump dictatorship?
Well he sure has less food trucks to choose from.
At least in northern New England, white hipsters have that market pretty well dominated. I think we'll do OK on the food truck front.
He Escaped North Korea—Twice. Now He Warns People About Socialism.
North Korea doesn't have socialism. It is a totalitarian Communist dictatorship with a cult of personality centered around its "Dear Leader." (Really, "Dear Leader" was Kim Jong II, the father of Kim Jong Un.)
Or, if you want to say that North Korea's type of government falls under the "socialism" umbrella, then that umbrella is huge and includes a wide range of government types that have important differences.
But hey, nuance and presenting multiple sides of an argument fairly has never been something Stossel tries to do.
I'm always down for giving a kicking to socialism or authoritarian communism, but conflating the two is absurd. This would be like Sullum or Boehm trying to discredit western democracy because of the way Erdogan or Putin rig their elections.
Nevertheless, both for,so of Marxism must be exterminated.
This time when he made it to China, Ryu avoided capture. He found a broker who secured him passage to Thailand where United Nations officials granted him political asylum. Then they sent him to safety in America.
Well, why didn't he stay in Thailand? Why did he need to come to the U.S.? Asylum seekers should stay in the nearest country that offers them an improvement over the oppressive government they fled. They don't have a right to come thousands of miles to the U.S. We shouldn't be expected to take everyone in the world that wants to escape oppression.
The USA will be better off with more US Patriots.
Especially with all the socialists coming in unabated.
Democratic [Na]tional So[zi]alists need to visit North Korea for 10-Days to cure them of their ignorance?
Sounds about right.
Apparently the indoctrination going on in the USA is that the German Nazi's were somehow (D)ifferent than other socialist nations when the socialist zero-sum resources and 'Guns' has always led to starvation, enslavement and killing people.
'Guns' don't make sh*t. And that is precisely why socialism always ends in this manner.
Yeah the "experts" who were pro socialist came up with the nonsense that Hitler after taking control of the Socialist workers party and imposed massive socialist policies upon the German people while drugging their population was somehow a right wing organization and not on the left.
What a sick joke and still today people believe the Marxist, communist, socialist lies that the boogyman is on the right.
But the left had to have a boogyman on the right or they would never take power and Hitler and the Nazis, because they fought Stalin and the communists, were it. Yet the truth is they were virtually the same.
Oh and it is absurd that people think you get to the extreme edge of the left and that wraps to the extreme right and aligns with anarchy and at this transition point lies the utopia they seek.
Some people will believe anything their professor tells them. Good thing most people think for themselves and understand the difference.
Yeah the "experts" who were pro socialist came up with the nonsense that Hitler after taking control of the Socialist workers party and imposed massive socialist policies upon the German people while drugging their population was somehow a right wing organization and not on the left.
What socialist policies did the Nazis implement? Support for labor unions? Massive redistribution of wealth and power away from owners and to the working class? All with the goal of reducing political and economic inequality?
To what extent was any of that present in their ideology at all? Or was calling themselves the National Socialist German Workers' Party pure propaganda?
Some people will believe anything their professor tells them. Good thing most people think for themselves and understand the difference.
"Doing your own research," does not mean going with whatever one finds posted to social media and choosing to believe pseudo-experts from fields tangential to the issue, at best, over the multitude of experts that actually work in that field. And that is because accepting the conclusions of anyone else is not "doing your own research." It is just cherry picking who they are going to rely on as an authority.
Yes. Massive redistribution of wealth
https://www.facinghistory.org/resource-library/nazi-national-welfare-program
The fact you're parroting 1934 Hitler propaganda says far more about your "mean going with whatever one finds posted to social media and choosing to believe pseudo-experts from fields" than anyone elses.
FFS. They self-identified as "the National Socialist German Workers' Party" -- get a clue.
Why go all that way when you can just go to Minnesota, Michigan, or any blue state or blue city? (California -- North Korea with better scenery. I weep for my home state.)
Marxism should be exterminated at home and abroad. It and Islamism are the greatest threats against humanity to ever exist.
Just reading De Civitate Dei and commentator wondered about the use of force against any irreligion. But there are sexual deviants and abortionists for whom it really is the sensible option. You can tell on here who has been affected and is not just arguing Libertarian cocktail chatter.
A van driver who took at least 20 lines of cocaine before crashing into a tram, then hitting and killing a three-year-old girl with his vehicle, has been jailed.
DEATH SENTENCE, who can possible object
Daydreaming about exterminating everyone that doesn't believe what you believe?
How Christian.
Socialism is defined as Social Ownership
State Ownership is FASCIST Ownership
Individual Ownership apparently does not require state control !
Stossel's claim that state ownership can substitute for social ownership (or individual ownership for that matter) is false
Regardless of who makes that claim
I would hardly call North Korea a socialist state. It appear to be more along the lines of a feudal system government with a hereditary leader, his elite supporters and the peasants. The soldiers and guards that beat Ryu likely did not get much more to eat than he was given. North Korea has a huge army that is under nourished. The interesting thing is that information is so tightly controlled that the peasant have no idea that they are suffering.
As opposed to China, Cuba, Vietnam, Laos, Venezuela...and yes, N Korea is numbered amongst the "socialist states" of the world at this time. Pick which one suits you.
The country you pick is most likely the one to support your case. Young people supporting socialism are not picking North Korea to make their case. Rather they are looking to Nordic European countries with strong social safety nets. People like John Stossel are picking North Korea as their example of socialism. This creates the confusion and the questions. Young people looking at Denmark say yes to socialism while Stossel holds up North Korea and says no to socialism. It would be nice to chose a country both can agree on and then debate socialism vs capitalism in that particular country's economy.
Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Finland all operate on a mixed economy that is largely capitalist [based on private ownership and a market economy]; blithely calling any of them "socialist" which is, by definition, government ownership of the means of production, is fallacious. Yes, they have what we would call "strong social safety nets" [that comes with very high tax rates] but that does not make them "socialist."
I provided a list of countries that are by definition socialist; and they are in one or more respects shitholes; there are your examples, now go ahead and pick one for the purposes of "comparison."
A desist with the dissembling and gaslighting.
You are again attempting to pick the counties that you think support your argument. The fact is that countries like China are also mixed economies based on a socialist market model that includes capitalist elements. If one wanted to compare socialism and capitalism I would not chose one country but would instead suggest maybe three, the US, Demark, and China. Look at the degree of the socialism/capitalism balance in the three countries. Ask where does socialism best help the country's economy and where does capitalism best help the country's economy.
'Bizarrely, 62 percent of young Americans hold a "favorable view" of socialism.
'How can they be so ignorant?'
Um, 12 or more years of modern "education"?
"If you talk bad about…the regime, that's the highest crime you can commit.…Your entire three generations of your family will be sent to political prison camp where you will never get out."
Hey, just like Democrats want to do to us!
'Bizarrely, 62 percent of young Americans hold a "favorable view" of socialism.
Neither you nor Stossel consider the most likely reason for this. You both think that it is 'ignorant' to have a positive view of "socialism". The mostly likely reason is that you both have a cartoon view of what "socialism" is compared to what the young people responding to those surveys have.
For you, socialism = North Korea.
For them, socialism = a higher minimum wage, free college, Medicare for all, and more spending on other welfare programs for the poor.
You seem to think that those really are the same thing, or that their preferences would inevitably lead to oppressive communism a la NK, China, Cuba, or the old Soviet bloc. But what those young people think "socialism" is has been done in most of Western Europe for longer than any of those young people have been alive.
Send Ryu on an Ivy League speaking tour, maybe there will be a few scholars whose minds are open enough to learn something. If he needs support, he can take my erstwhile brother-in-law to talk about how well Cuba running his family's distillery.