Trump's Mass Cancellation of Student Visas Illustrates the Lawlessness of His Immigration Crackdown
A federal judge blocks the administration's "Student Criminal Alien Initiative," which targeted foreign students who had no criminal records.

Last month, Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) suddenly terminated about 4,700 records in the database of foreign students with F-1 visas authorizing them to attend American universities. That move, which sowed panic among students across the country, was the result of the Trump administration's "Student Criminal Alien Initiative." But contrary to the implication of that label, the initiative affected many people who had no criminal record that would justify revoking their visas. Nor did ICE cite any other specific justification listed in the relevant regulations. Instead, the students were told their records had been terminated for "otherwise failing to maintain status."
Although ICE subsequently restored those records in the Student and Exchange Visitor Information System (SEVIS), they still included notations of the prior terminations. Those black marks, along with the possibility that ICE might reverse course again at any time, left thousands of students uncertain about whether they would be allowed to remain in the United States and complete their degrees. On Thursday, a federal judge in California issued a nationwide preliminary injunction that aims to rectify that situation, and his reasoning highlights the alarming legal shortcuts that characterize President Donald Trump's immigration crackdown.
The SEVIS controversy may seem arcane. But it illustrates several disturbing themes of Trump's deportation crusade, including his indiscriminate approach, disregard for due process, blatant flouting of statutory and constitutional requirements, shifting legal positions, and determination to avoid judicial review.
The SEVIS terminations "reflect an instinct that has become prevalent in our society to effectuate change: move fast and break things," writes U.S. District Judge Jeffrey White, a George W. Bush appointee who is considering several lawsuits by foreign students in the Northern District of California. "That instinct must be checked when it conflicts with established principles of law."
White's preliminary injunction bars the government from "arresting and incarcerating any of the named Plaintiffs in these cases and similarly situated individuals nationwide pending resolution of these proceedings." The injunction also says the government may not transfer any of those individuals "outside the jurisdiction of their residence," impose "any adverse legal effect" based on the SEVIS terminations, or "revers[e] the reinstatement" of the records.
Explaining the rationale for a nationwide injunction, White says the plaintiffs "have met their burden to show a likelihood of irreparable harm." He "sees no rational distinction between the harms inflicted on the [named plaintiffs] and the harms inflicted on similarly situated individuals across the United States." He notes that "these cases and the litigation around the United States" stem from "a uniform policy that uniformly wreaked havoc not only on the lives of Plaintiffs here but on similarly situated F-1 nonimmigrants across the United States and continues do so."
The plaintiffs in the California lawsuits "allege Defendants violated the Due Process clause of the United States Constitution," White notes before alluding to the various ways in which the Trump administration, in its eagerness to summarily expel as many foreigners as possible, has disregarded due process. "Lest any Defendant be unsure," he archly adds, "that clause 'applies to all 'persons' within the United States, including aliens, whether their presence here is lawful, unlawful, temporary, or permanent.'"
White is quoting the Supreme Court's 2001 ruling in Zadvydas v. Davis, and he notes that the justices unanimously reaffirmed that principle last month in Trump v. J.G.G., which involved the president's attempt to deport suspected members of the Venezuelan gang Tren de Aragua under the Alien Enemies Act. "It is well established that the Fifth Amendment entitles aliens to due process of law in the context of removal proceedings," the Court noted in holding that alleged gang members had a right to contest their designation as "alien enemies" prior to deportation.
The plaintiffs in the California cases also argue that the Student Criminal Alien Initiative violated the Administrative Procedure Act, which authorizes federal courts to "set aside" any agency action that is "arbitrary, capricious, an abuse of discretion, or otherwise not in accordance with law." White notes that "the overwhelming majority of courts" considering lawsuits by students whose SEVIS records were terminated "have determined the plaintiffs are likely to succeed on the merits of the same claims presented here." It is not hard to see why.
To implement the administration's initiative, ICE checked about 1.3 million student visa holders against a database maintained by the National Criminal Information Center (NCIC), which includes law enforcement contacts that did not necessarily result in charges, let alone convictions. ICE "forwarded lists of the individuals with positive results to the State Department for its consideration," White notes. "After the State Department received these lists, it took approximately fifteen minutes to decide that all records in SEVIS relating to those names should be terminated."
As White notes, the lists included students who "had some contact with law enforcement" but did not have "a conviction that would cause them to fail to maintain status" under 8 CFR 214.1(g), which disqualifies people who commit "a crime of violence for which a sentence of more than one year imprisonment may be imposed." He mentions several plaintiffs in these cases who had no criminal record at all.
According to testimony by Andre Watson, a Department of Homeland Security (DHS) official, "the only individualized assessment made was whether an individual identified who had a positive result in the NCIC database was an individual listed within the SEVIS database," White writes. He says the plaintiffs therefore "are likely to prevail on their claim that the decision to terminate their SEVIS records was arbitrary and capricious because the decision was not based on a 'rational connection between the facts found and the choice made.'"
Another regulation, 8 CFR 214.1(d), lists three additional circumstances in which "the nonimmigrant status of an alien shall be terminated," none of which applies here. "Because the record also shows that Defendants did not rely on one of the three circumstances set forth" in that provision, White says, "the Court also concludes Plaintiffs are likely to succeed on the merits of their claim that Defendants' actions are contrary to law."
The government asserted, contrary to what the plaintiffs claimed, that terminating the SEVIS records was not tantamount to revoking the corresponding student visas. "Defendants have argued that the termination was merely a 'red flag' and that terminating a SEVIS record has no impact on immigration status," White notes. He "joins the growing number of courts around the United States [that] have rejected this position."
DHS "advises the public that when a SEVIS record is terminated for failing to maintain status" the visa holder "loses all on- and/or off-campus employment authorization" and "cannot re-enter the United States" after traveling abroad, White notes. The department says a termination also cancels visas for the student's dependents. It adds that ICE agents "may investigate to confirm the departure of the student." By the government's own account, in other words, a student whose SEVIS record is terminated loses the privileges associated with his visa, including permission to remain in the United States.
That understanding, White says, is confirmed by an April 2025 "notice of intent to deny" a student's application for an H-1B "temporary worker" visa. According to "the beneficiary's SEVIS record," U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services said in that notice, "their F-1 nonimmigrant status was terminated on April 10, 2025 because of the criminal records check and the revocation of their F-1 visa." White adds that "the State Department describes a SEVIS record as 'the definitive record of student or exchange visitor status and visa eligibility.'" In short, he says, there is "ample evidence that 'DHS officials and agencies…construe a student's SEVIS record as the equivalent of his actual F-1 student status."
The government also argued that ICE had eliminated any harm caused by its SEVIS terminations when it restored those records. But while the defendants "have reactivated Plaintiffs' SEVIS records retroactively," White notes, "they claim it is technologically impossible to both remove the fact of termination from those records and to issue public-facing statements within SEVIS about the effect of the reactivation." And although the government says it is "sending letters to every F-1 nonimmigrant whose SEVIS record was terminated to address those concerns and to provide them with supporting documentation," he adds, "the letter contains no representations that it will be binding on Defendants," and "the erroneous notations remain in Plaintiffs' records."
For those reasons, White says, the plaintiffs "have shown they have and will continue to suffer significant hardship because of Defendants' actions. Unlike the letter Defendants intend to send, the relief the Court grants provides Plaintiffs with a measure of stability and certainty that they will be able to continue their studies or their employment without the threat of re-termination hanging over their heads."
White notes that the government "abruptly reversed course" at an April 25 hearing in these cases, saying "ICE had begun to reinstate SEVIS records and would develop a new policy for terminating SEVIS records going forward." The next day, the government's lawyers told White that ICE "has issued a new policy concerning the termination of records." The new policy, White notes, included two reasons for termination that "are not included on DHS's website": "Evidence of a Failure to Comply with the Terms of Nonimmigrant Status Exists" and "U.S. Department of State Visa Revocation."
At a May 14 hearing, White says, the government "advised the Court of yet another new development." It said that "ICE is restoring SEVIS records retroactively to the date the records were terminated" and that the government would send explanatory letters to all of the affected students.
Those shifts "since these cases were filed" suggest the Trump administration "may be trying to place any future SEVIS terminations beyond judicial review," White writes. "At each turn in this and similar litigation across the nation, Defendants have abruptly changed course to satisfy courts' expressed concerns. It is unclear how this game of whack-a-mole will end unless Defendants are enjoined from skirting their own mandatory regulations."
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"Lawless" lol
Here is how much research Sullum did. All the way back in 2018,this same judge was smacked down for her ruling.
From the SCOTUS.
The text of [federal law at section] §1182(f) states:
“Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.”
By its terms, §1182(f) exudes deference to the President in every clause. It entrusts to the President the decisions whether and when to suspend entry (“[w]henever [he] finds that the entry” of aliens “would be detrimental” to the national interest); whose entry to suspend (“all aliens or any class of aliens”); for how long (“for such period as he shall deem necessary”); and on what conditions (“any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate”).
https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/17pdf/17-965_h315.pdf
Weird. The opinion and cited law doesn't mention anything like "revoke", "deport", or "remove". Only "entry". Hmmm
Weird. If one admin ignored that law, you'd think the next would be able to deport those illegally allowed entry. Well, if you had more than one brain-cell you would.
Fuck off and die, TDS-addled slimy pile of shit.
"If they broke the law, I should be able to, too!"
Your parents failed you.
Educating Jihadis and giving them full access to the US is not in the best interest of the US or the civilized world. Revoking some erroneously issued visas seems appropriate. Requiring schools to supply information to identify those visas also seems appropriate.
Exactly. It shows how lawless and out of control judges are. The Administration and Dept of State control visa's and can grant or deny them. Period.
The policy is not “lawless” simply because it conflicts with the sentiments of the open borders lobby. And they have no right to impose their policy preferences over the president, even if some are federal judges . That is the real lawlessness.
Actually, more of a socialist agenda - were the government controls what was private industry.
Lick the boot or else.
Government visas aren't a private industry.
How dare these leftist judges try to reign in His Majesty’s power? Trump is our elected king. His word is law.
Hey buddy. You're ignorant as usual. Just posted the 2018 SCOTUS ruling. This comment looks really dumb now. Well. Was always dumb.
It doesn’t matter. He forgets everything within a few minutes.
I think goldfish have longer memories.
Goldfish don't drink as much. Alcohol.
If you're not smart enough to make logical comments, just don't make any! We have to know who's coming into the country, and why didn't Harvard do that? Because they make billions! And funny how you leftists keep talking about how's it's 'UN-constitutional' to support private schools with taxpayers money, yet isn't Harvard a private university? You can't have it both ways liberals! Oh wait! You only know one way, and that's the far left's way, not the Constitution!
Hey, dumbass. The power of the Dept of State to issue and revoke visa's for about any reason under the sun is well established. The administration can deny entry to anyone except reentry by a US Citizen.
We don't need foreign students, because Murica is Number One!
We don’t need terror supporters, no.
The question is why you want such people in the country.
No, that's your team. Remember how you and your team went to DC to try to terrorize Congress into overturning an election?
It's funny how your side is so scared of such incompetent insurrectionists who couldn't even be bothered to bring guns to their revolution.
I know, right? Those 9/11 hijackers only blew up a few buildings. It's not like they overthrew the government! And they only had boxcutters! Worst terrorists ever!
Sad.
Those 9/11 hijackers were here on student visas.
Oopsies.
Those poor students didn’t even get to practice their landing skills!
The point is, acts of terrorism don't require guns, and they don't require the successful overthrow of the government.
It wasn’t even an insurrection, let alone an act of terrorism. Come on, man.
Nobody should take anything Lying Jeffy says seriously at this point. He's not even trying to make legitimate arguments.
Damn, you're a retard and a liar.
1. They were here on student visas, and many of them had overstayed their student visas.
2. They flew three aircraft into three different buildings (World Trade Center 1 and 2, and the Pentagon). The fourth was flown into the ground due to a passenger revolt against the hijackers.
3. Are you now a fucking 9/11 truther or something, fatfuck?
Maybe he's a listener of Hasan Piker (Cenk's nephew) who thinks (and I use the word loosely) that America deserved 9/11. In which case, I worry for an Jewish neighbors he has.
Jewish neighbors? I worry for all his neighbors with children?
Well, after the assassination at the Israeli embassy by someone who was allegedly a fan of Hasan, I'm a little on the worried side.
Apologies. My last sentence shouldn’t have ended in a question mark.
Anyone, Jew, parent, etc., should be worried if Lying Jeffy is their neighbor. He’s evil, and evil people make terrible neighbors for a lot of reasons.
You’re such a worthless Democrat shill, Fatfuck. Always using the language of the left.
But please, continue to defend the pardons for the Jan. 6 rioters, even the ones who committed violent crimes. Because every time you do, you lose all moral authority to ever speak in defense of "rule of law".
I will.
Thanks.
Courts have literally zero say over foreign visas.
And SCOTUS has already said determination is an article 2 power.
But reality and the law don't matter to the retard crew.
Yes we know, you defend a law which grants the government the power to override freedom of association. Well except when it's about baking gay wedding cakes. In that case, fuck that shit.
Being on a visa here is being a guest. How about you go lead a riot or protest in a foreign country on a visa and see how long you last there, dork?
The only thing he cares about here is open borders, and restraining the government from deporting anyone, ever.
Why don’t you want to know anything about who actually led the riot, fat boy?
You really think Trump defenders care about “rule of law” or moral superiority? They don’t. They want “rule of Trump” and fear.
Only one person here has cited SCOTUS dumdum.
And fuck off with yours and jeffs claims of morality. You demand government take from citizens ti give to illegals.
Neither one of you contributes a damn cent to them or charity. Tet you have the fucking balls to demand others do.
YOU demand that the government undermine all of our liberties in order to fight the bogeyman monster that you all have created out of 'illegal immigrants'. They're gangbangers! They're lazy welfare moochers! They're eating cats in Springfield! They're cannibals!
YOU want to take away our rights to freedom of association because you cannot stand it that you don't have complete control over who comes here.
What an odd leap you've made from the revocation of visas to ending freedom of association. Almost like you're trying to redirect the conversation.
That's his SOP. He makes "odd leaps" until he ends up at SO WHY CAN'T THEY JUST KILL EVERYBODY! Doesn't matter where the conversation started.
And Jeff and sarc are trying to force everyone to associate AND FUND the people they want.
He always does when he’s losing horribly. So always.
They’re no more a boogeyman than Californians moving to Colorado or Texas, and changing the political landscape while putting pressure on the existing infrastructure, are.
LMAO. You speak of others fearing a non existent "boogy man"? You see Nazi's? America is systemically racist? Trump is a dictator? Unvacinnated are murderers? Humans driving ICE cars are going to boil the oceans? The Maldives are going to be underwater by 2020? White Nationalism is the biggest threat in America?
Sarc, who is totally not a leftist, has advanced every leftist narrative. And always carried water for every democrat policy. All while reflexively opposing republicans on everything.
Go ahead and associate with them. No one is stopping you from traveling to their countries. But they aren’t staying there.
Or they can get visitors' visas and drop in on Jeffy, like millions of people from all over the world do every year.
And if you are anything like your hero Trump, you hire illegal labor to mow your lawn while you rant and rave about "those people". The rules only apply to other people, not good virtuous real Muricans like yourself and like Trump!
No, dipshit, we don't hire illegal aliens to mow our lawns. Stop projecting.
You have to remember. Jeff is a racist fuck who thinks manual labor is for the foreigners.
My lawn service appears to employee honkies. So according to Sarc and Fatfuck, I must be racist.
Democrats will never forgive the Republicans for freeing their slaves. They will continue to come up with subterfuges to keep the niggers on the plantation, despite their being technically "free".
You realize that people are not following Trump or considering him a hero? They are clearly standing up against the absurd abhorrent unethical racist illogical extreme leftist and diabolical DNC policies that are meant to fundamentally transform America into what it was designed to never be and the people are are expecting these policies to be removed along with the swamp creatures that are continually implementing these extreme leftist policies against the will of the people.
Yep. Trump is a response from Americans who are sick of Democrat and RINO hegemony.
You’re flailing desperately. Just ranting now. Another pathetic humiliation for Fatfuck MAPedo Jeffy.
You really are a pathetic asshole.
Normal people are not "all in" with hysterics over moral superiority. It's you virtue signalling wilfully ignorant gaslit folks whom are attempting to stand on some moral pedestal of lies self denial and fake news.
Here allow me, ahem; the punishments and means used against those at J6 where well and truly excessive. Violations of basic rights such as a speedy trial, alongside withholding exculpatory evidence such as the video footage. Not to mention the fact there where federal agents among the crowd, deletion of evidence by the J6 committee, and the mysteriously lenient treatment of Ray Epps.
All together this shows that the entire process was tainted by the fruit of the poison tree and the only just outcome was to throw the whole case out. Blame Biden (or whoever was really running the government) for this. Had they not gone to such excessive lengths and punishments, there would have been no need for any pardons.
Oh, and it's a bit rich of you to complain about "violent crimes" when not only did you have little problem with the summer of love, you actually freaked out about those rioters getting arrested and taken into "unmarked vans". Riots, I remind you, went for over 100 days, killed about 20 people, caused billions in property damage, an attack on the White House that forced the President to enter a bunker, and a literal secessionist movement! All with the blessing and support of the media and Democrat party (but I repeat myself) and little if no actual justice was ever done.
Which was the greater violation to the "rule of law" Jeff? Which one?
Jeff also thinks cops should shoot trespassers. So not sure what his comaint is.
Only American citizen trespassers, illegals get due process.
Lying Jeffy is evil.
He’s really starting to lose it. With luck the stress and impotent rage will cause his enlarged heart to explode.
Talk about due process violations. People imprisoned in solitary confinement after snatched from their homes in the middle of the night for a misdemeanour trespassing charge. How many years in the Washington gulag did people spend imprisoned on assault charges beyond the typical sentence given by courts under the rule of law? Especially when violent offenders are constantly being released without charge by Soros prosecutors an judges? I'm Not condoning the behaviour or the crimes that did occur by any means, the violence deserves to be punished properly under the law.
Of course, the difference is the vast majority of people that went to the capital on J6 were seeking redress for their grievances, protested peacefully, and disavowed all the violence and rioting. Whereas the visa holders openly support an actual terrorist organization, allegedly.
Do you support Trump's pardons for the Jan. 6 rioters who committed violent crimes? Yes or no?
Not for the violent offenders, no.
Though Pear makes some good points upthread.
TY
Yes. They were all overcharged and over sentenced. Many were denied ‘due process’. Which is apparently reserved for illegals, and Party members in good standing.
And:
Opposition to Israeli policy is not the same as support for terrorism.
Support for Palestinian statehood is not the same as support for terrorism.
Support for the Palestinian people as a group is not the same as support for terrorism.
I really can't trust this crew with fairly deciding who actually is "supporting terrorism" or not.
They’ve been doing a fair bit more than that…
What about murdering two innocent people outside the Jewish Museum while shouting 'Free Palestine!'?
Sadly those who were supported, HAMMAS, turned good, innocent, young, impressionable people into sick and disgusting murderers, rapist, terrorists, hostage takers that refuse to repent or put down their guns. Support to free the innocent used as human shields is unwavering and the only way to save these people is to rid the region of the evil who hide under the beds of children and sadly there's no way to save them all.
And now you’re trying to change the subject because you’ve lost yet another argument. You’re such a disingenuous shitweasel.
How about your fellow traveler who just executed two Israeli embassy e players?
https://apnews.com/article/israel-embassy-jewish-museum-shooting-10307b3b1a2a337e76730736b12ebbcb
FTA:
“WASHINGTON (AP) — The man accused of fatally shooting two staff members of the Israeli Embassy in Washington outside a Jewish museum told police after his arrest, “I did it for Palestine, I did it for Gaza,” federal authorities said Thursday in announcing charges in the killings they called a targeted act of terrorism.”
Another hero of your democrat party Fatfuck. Just like your fellow traveler Luigi Mangione.
The Palestinians have been offered statehood and peaceful coexistence with Israel several times but turned it down every time because the Palestinian majority will accept only the destruction of Israel. They will accept only a state "from the river to the sea" with no Israel. A minority of Palestinians would accept peaceful coexistence with Israel. Perhaps it is time to repurpose Gaza as a Palestinian state for that minority.
LMAO, soon the truth will be out and you will probably remain wilfully ignorant to it.
Of the 5000 or so affected students, what percentage actually support terrorism? And no, holding a pro-gaza sign is not supporting terrorism. I mean at least $1 worth of goods or cash or services.
" holding a pro-gaza sign is not supporting terrorism"
But holding a pro-Hamas sign would be.
“ We don’t need terror supporters, no.
The question is why you want such people in the country.”
So your argument is that all foreign students support terrorists? And you don’t think that’s maybe a wee bit of an overstatement?
If they're terrorist supporters? Yes. You calling them something else doesn't change that fact.
They are guest and if they have not followed the proper procedures, as is expected, then that privilege can be withdrawn, which makes them here illegally. You people did not mention a peep when Biden was abusing the asylum laws, now you are all up in arms to protect illegals. Pure hypocrites.
From the article:
So a large number of these students didn't break the rules.
This is the type of crap that causes normal people to think that you all are not merely opposed to illegal immigration, but instead are a bunch of xenophobic bigots. Take a bunch of foreigners and manufacture a pretext in order to claim they are breaking some rule, then when the injustice is pointed out, shout "WHY R YOU DEFENDING ILLEGULS???"
" you all are not merely opposed to illegal immigration, but instead are a bunch of xenophobic bigots"
They are either xenophobic bigots are blithering idiots regarding immigration law. I am not sure which is worse.
It has been obvious for quite some time now that all of the shouting and ranting and raving by Team MAGA about immigration is not fundamentally about enforcing the law; it is rooted in their perception of the identity of the migrants.
They aren't outraged at illegal immigration because the migrants broke the law. They are outraged because they believe the migrants are bad people, and the evidence for their badness is that they broke the law. That is why, even when migrants come here legally, they do everything that they can to try to undermine their legal status. Because they don't want THEM here, even if here legally. It's not about the law, it's about THEM. It's just easiest to go after the illegal immigrants first, because they can most easily justify kicking them out. But the real goal here is to have an America that only has people within it that are Team MAGA Approved. No one else is welcome.
Hey, dipshit, you do know that illegally crossing the border is a felony, right? And it's a deportable offense. Why don't you try it at the 49th parallel. I triple dog dare you.
There are plenty of migrants who came to the border to declare themselves refugees. That isn't crossing the border illegally.
That being said, there are natural crimes (theft, murder) and their are man-made crimes. By calling it a felony, your describing the nature of the punishment. It still doesn't change the nature of the crime.
All you had to say is, "it is illegal". By declaring it a felony, your simply using hyperbole which goes to chemjeff's point.
How do they know a tattoo is a gang tattoo? If its on brown skin...
Thank god our fearless leaders still know what Habeas Corpus is!
It actually is crossing the border illegally. Declaring refuge doesn't nullify that.
And no, a gang tattoo is a gang tattoo. No one got deported for skin color, they got deported for criminal activity.
You need to stop being so dishonest.
You expect a TDS-addled slimy pile of shit like that to stop being so dishonest?
If requiring honesty were needed here, that slimy pile of TDS-addled shit would never post here.
Wow you are some godly mindreader who knows what everyone thinks and thus is justified in stereotyping millions upon millions of people as racist without any evidence to back your hate. Stay wilfully ignorant an keep projecting your desires upon others, Killary.
He’s just a frustrated, morbidly obese loser who is furious that Trump has secured the border, is deporting his precious illegals, and is dismantling the democrat pro child mutilation/rape machine.
Because he rationalizes the MAGA crowd cannot be THAT dumb. However, I disagree.
Nothing is more vile and stupid than a democrat.
It is sad when the retard crew has to go to appeal to ridicule because they are so fucking ignorant and can't be learned to know what the actual law is.
“This is the type of crap that causes normal people to think that you all are not merely opposed to illegal immigration, but instead are a bunch of xenophobic bigots.”
Yup.
Oh no. A leftist retard fuck calls his enemies xenophobes. Like they have the last 20 years.
Ironically from a leftist who chooses to live in a 97% white community.
Isn’t that how it always works? They’re the most racist people of all.
Begging the question?
"the lists included students who"
magically becomes
"large number of these students"
Hey numb nuts. The Administration requested the information to determine which students from Harvard. Harvard under the Law is required to provide that information. Harvard told them to get lost. Put the blame where it belongs, on Harvard.
Typical lazy MAGA troll who didn't bother to read the article.
Oh and Biden followed the asylum laws to the letter.
Not lazy.
It's Sullum
Sullim is wrong. You can tell the by the byline. I even quote similar cases and who holds the power. Thought you said you were a professor.
Except for the whole suborning perjury part...where NGOs acting on the administrations behalf actively promoted people to lie on their asylum claims.
...where NGOs acting on the administrations behalf actively promoted people to lie on their asylum claims.
Source? I gave it five minutes of searching to see if this is true. No luck, so it's your turn.
https://www.abajournal.com/news/article/former_law_firm_clients_coached_to_lie_in_asylum_cases_may_be_targeted_for
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2018/11/15/pro-migrant-ngo-caught-tape-admitting-helping-migrants-lie-claim-asylum/
Same things going on in Europe, too.
So, one law office in NY (in an investigation, by federal authorities, that took place in 2012, during the Obama administration, and an NGO in Greece is what you offer as proof that the Biden administration was working to coach people to lie on asylum claims? Not only are those two cases not remotely relevant to immigration policy between Jan. 2021 and 2025, there isn't even any claim in those that a Democratic administration was involved in that.
I'll take this as meaning that you didn't have any support for your claim when you made it, and you just posted whatever came up when you did a search after seeing my question.
They are guest and if they have not followed the proper procedures, as is expected, then that privilege can be withdrawn, which makes them here illegally.
What the Trump administration is saying, for at least some of these students, is that the "proper procedures" include not saying things that the Trump administration doesn't like.
This could be one of those situations where the constitutional precedents are less clear, in terms of 1st Amendment protections for foreigners here on temporary visas. Just like how it isn't completely settled how the 1st Amendment relates to social media moderation when those platforms are being 'encouraged' by government in what and how to moderate.
The principle of free speech is about more than constitutional and legal protections, though. To value free speech is argue against suppression or chilling of speech even if those that want prevent some speech from being heard have the legal power to do that. If they have the moral high ground on the issue behind the speech, that shouldn't affect whether we support the speaker.
Applying that principle consistently is hard, precisely because of how we feel when people say things that we really don't like. It is easy for that to overwhelm our rational brain and intellectual commitments to principles. It is easy to become hypocritical when our emotions get the better of us.
Maybe we can learn to do better if we take the opposite side as a thought experiment occasionally. Call it the "devil's advocate" if you will. For instance, I can support the right of foreign students to protest on a college campus, near the health clinic that serves young women seeking contraception or information about abortion, even though I am strongly pro-choice and frequently argue against pro-life positions here. I can continue to support their right to do that even if they loudly chant things that I think are horrible, untrue, stupid, and/or hateful. (Such as shaming the young women seeking that kind of care as being "sluts" or whatever, talking about murdering "babies", etc.)
If I can do that, and oppose some hypothetical future Democratic administration from trying to cancel their visas and deport them, then maybe foreign students that call Israel's actions in Gaza "genocide" shouldn't be deported either.
How about shooting unarmed trespassers asshole? Nothing you say is worth a shit knowing your partisan hatred for one side.
True. People can make false accusations towards others like "Israel is committing genocide" and claim free speech as their right to push this false narrative to the point of which others decide to murder on their behalf. But since the folks who are not citizens and are guests and are inciting violence and death, there should be a plausible action that can be taken. There are hate speech laws. Supporting a terrorist organization which the Palestinian people voted into power, to represent and lead them, the Palestinian people have not made any attempts to remove Hammas from power or even shout them down for the violence perpetrated. Nor have they shouted the terrorists down for the innocent victims they claimed in their sick and evil acts. Or shouted them down to release the hostages, the Palestinian people have aligned with and are complicit to the acts of the terrorists. If they stood to release the hostages and end the war and to remove Hammas then supporting them would be completely different. Anyone who wants to support the innocent Palestinians should be first demanding the release of the hostages and to end the attacks coming from the terrorists and for the terrorists Hammas to lay down their arms.
Poor JS has the vapors again.
Warm up the puppies in the safe room.
I approve it, you don't, you are wrong.
Are you saying that now X in the deep forest has a right to go to Harvard should X assert that right ?
Could this just be more ritual to prop up previous rituals? Could there be a more fundamental problem?
Why yes, and yes. Preliminary injunctions and temporary restraining orders are a means of preserving the status quo before trial. But they are only necessary because the courts are so slow.
Both sides in this legal tussle should have all their arguments ready for court right now. Does the law allow what they claim, or not? Read the damned text of the law! Argue about it for an hour, and make the decision right then. But because they have so much dusty precedent going back hundreds of years, actually thinking and discussing and debating the law itself, the actual written law, requires sending interns and law clerks into the stacks to look up everything they think might be related which might give the judge the excuse he needs to rule the way he wants to rule.
Time, that's what the lawyers and judge need, time to twist and contort whatever weird little precedent they can find. And that's why they need to preserve the status quo with PIs and TROs. Not because it serves justice, but because the judge needs time to find the right precedent, and the lawyers want their own time to find other precedent they can twist and shout to delay the judge or change his mind.
Lawyers have zero interest in justice. Judges have less.
It's a rotten system.
TRO and PI should only be issued when one side is VERY likely to win AND not stopping the damage would cause irreparable harm.
Apparently Harvard made good on both.
Nobody cares, Jacob.
We can kick our guests out of our house whenever we want, for whatever reason we want. Or for no reason at all.
It's our house, not theirs. If we kick out some folks we were actually cool with the whole time, oh well. They know where to find us and how to ring our doorbell.
You lost this argument the moment Trump was elected. The American people DO NOT CARE anymore. People fall into two categories now: Americans and Not Americans.
And the Not Americans are being shown the door. And if they won't leave willingly, we're throwing them out. And if they wind up in some El Salvadoran prison as we do, well, say it with me now...
Nobody. Cares.
It's our house, not theirs.
My house is my house, not yours.
How many “guests” do you have at your house?
As many as **I** choose to have.
Hey, if we privatize the commons, you can negotiate with whoever owns the roads and other infrastructure on how you would like to get your guests to your property and nobody could say anything because you’ve arranged for your guests to be taken care of. Something tells me you won’t go for the libertarian solution though.
Privatizing ALL of the commons is not the libertarian solution, that is the anarchist solution. And no, I am not an anarchist.
The libertarian solution, IMO, is to understand what the 'commons' rightfully represents. The 'commons' is property owned by the government (NOT collectively owned by 'the people'). The REASON why government owns this property is to facilitate the rightful exercise of liberty of the people. So the government owns roads in order to facilitate the free movement of goods and people. That is the libertarian justification for government ownership of the commons.
The populist / collectivist vision for 'the commons' is that the commons are literally owned collectively by 'the people' and that whatever 'the people' decide how the commons should be used, thus it shall be. So if the people decide that everyone gets to use the roads EXCEPT for that one DesigNate guy, well, then that's too bad for you.
Libertarians properly ought to object to this type of understanding of 'the commons' because it is evident to see that in this view, the government uses the commons as a weapon to limit the liberty of certain people, which is contrary to the whole point of having a government in the first place.
the government uses the commons as a weapon to limit the liberty of certain people
Which people, jeff? Be specific.
Me, for starters. Do you think the government should have the just authority to restrict migrants from visiting my property, if I invite them to do so? And if so, why?
YES.
If you're harboring a criminal at large, YES.
FFS, I just figured it out. You're one of those Sovereign Citizen nutjobs, aren't you.
America has a right to police its criminals. The fact that they're "visiting your property" is irrelevant. The no more get to hide behind your skirt tails than some coward puke Palestinian does behind a woman or a child or a hospital patient.
If you're harboring a criminal at large, YES.
What is the crime that this person allegedly committed, and why do you think it ought to be a crime?
And I find it hilarious that half of you think I'm some sort of globalist progressive, but the other half of you think I'm some sort of anarchist nutjob.
What is the crime that this person allegedly committed
Being in America illegally.
and why do you think it ought to be a crime?
Because we are allowed to vet who we allow to become citizens.
you think I'm some sort of globalist progressive, but the other half of you think I'm some sort of anarchist nutjob.
Same goal.
Also, answer me: you a sovereign citizen nutjob? Come on, this forum deserves to know. And why would you hide it anyway?
“Privatizing ALL of the commons is not the libertarian solution, that is the anarchist solution.”
Correct. Last time I checked Ancaps were still part of the libertarian umbrella.
“The 'commons' is property owned by the government (NOT collectively owned by 'the people'). The REASON why government owns this property is to facilitate the rightful exercise of liberty of the people. So the government owns roads in order to facilitate the free movement of goods and people. That is the libertarian justification for government ownership of the commons.”
The tragedy of the commons has been discussed since antiquity. The libertarian solution has always been clear and defined property rights, precisely because the government is NOT a good steward of them (thanks in no small part to the fact that the government is beholden to the whims of the voters). The reason they hold them in trust is because they deemed it so and who was going to stop them? In fact, the entire idea of eminent domain, as laid out in the constitution, exhibits that perfectly.
“So the government owns roads in order to facilitate the free movement of goods and people.”
Do you imagine that private roads do not/cannot do the same?
“The populist / collectivist vision for 'the commons' is that the commons are literally owned collectively by 'the people' and that whatever 'the people' decide how the commons should be used, thus it shall be. So if the people decide that everyone gets to use the roads EXCEPT for that one DesigNate guy, well, then that's too bad for you.”
That’s not their “vision”, it’s just the reality of the modern world where nation states exist and the people elect representatives to enact their will.
But wait you say, “Biden was elected so he was just doing the voters will by letting in 10 million plus people in 4 years! Haha got ya!” And that would almost be a fair point, if it weren’t for a few mitigating factors: 1. When Wheels and The Short Man started the bussing stunts, the same sanctuary cities and true blue supporters who voted for Biden, started screaming bloody murder; 2. Even you have admitted that the overwhelming majority of applicants don’t qualify for asylum, which means the Biden admin was knowing flouting current immigration laws; and 3. It was obviously such a sore point that current polling still has a broad range of support for deporting illegal aliens.
And another thing: we, collectively, don’t get to decide that fellow citizens can’t enjoy use of the commons (unless they’ve violated certain laws). So no, they couldn’t just decide that chemjeff or designate can’t walk on the sidewalk.
I had a different closer, but it was getting too clunky.
America is not a YOUR house, it’s a stupid analogy from a lying shitweasel. The fact is that the federal government has a CONSTITUTIONAL DUTY to defend our sovereign borders. And also has express authority to regulate immigration.
Case closed Fatfuck.
So none, then.
Of course none
But the asshole would never answer. We all know Jeffy thinks himself to good to put himself out for others. That is for the non virtuoso peons like he thinks we are.
You refuse to remove in its entirety the welfare state, and refuse to recognize that citizen vs simply residency has benefits reserved to citizens. You say illegal aliens are not getting welfare benefits, they are not voting...
Sure, this is just one...
https://www.justice.gov/usao-ma/pr/colombian-national-charged-voter-fraud-federal-benefit-fraud-and-identity-theft-offenses#:~:text=According%20to%20court%20filings%2C%20Orovio,applied%20for%20a%20U.S.%20passport.
BOSTON – A Colombian woman, unlawfully residing in Boston, has been indicted by a federal grand jury for identity theft offenses, including receiving rental assistance, Social Security and SNAP benefits, as well as voter fraud under the stolen identity. The defendant also allegedly applied for a United States passport and obtained a Massachusetts Real ID and eight other state IDs.
Lina Maria Orovio-Hernandez, 59, was charged in a superseding indictment with one count of false representation of a Social Security number; one count of making a false statement in an application for a United States passport; one count of aggravated identity theft; three counts of receiving stolen government money or property; one count of fraudulent voter registration; and one count of fraudulent voting. Orovio-Hernandez was previously charged in an indictment in February 2025 and has remained in federal custody since that time.
According to court filings, Orovio-Hernandez, a Colombian national without lawful status in the United States, has lived under a stolen identity for more than 20 years. Using this stolen identity, Orovio-Hernandez allegedly obtained nine state IDs, including a Massachusetts Real ID and applied for a U.S. passport.
Orovio-Hernandez allegedly used the stolen identity to submit a fraudulent voter registration in January 2023 and cast a fraudulent ballot in the November 2024 presidential election. It is further alleged that Orovio-Hernandez improperly received approximately $400,000 in federal benefits: $259,589 in Section 8 rental assistance benefits from October 2011 through January 2025; $101,257 in Social Security disability benefits from July 2014 through January 2025; and $43,348 in Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program benefits from April 2005 through January 2025.
How many adult guests. I bet Jeff has a lot of minors as guests.
Are Pogos guests still alive though?
I thought it was weird how he scrawled "Neverland" on the side of his pup tent.
Makes more sense now.
As many as he can sneak down to the basement without his mom noticing.
When you all start making crude jokes at my expense, it's because you have no serious response to my arguments. When you can't refute the ideas, attack the person. That is how dumb people make themselves feel better about being so dumb.
You would be the expert on feeling good about being dumb.
My house is my house, not yours.
That's not an "idea" that needs refuting. Nor is it an argument. That's intentional dumbassery, intentionally missing the point in your reply, that earns itself mockery.
Don't rape any children because you're mad at me, jeff.
It's not my fault if you failed to understand MY point. But here, let me make it plainer:
YOU were the one who claimed that we all live in this big country that you characterized as "our house". YOU asserted a just collective authority to override my decision on whom I wish to invite onto my property. You don't own my house, I do.
When you move into a new neighborhood, do you think that the other residents should have a say as to whether you should be permitted to buy a house in that new neighborhood?
Please don't rape any children, jeff. I'm begging you not to rape the children because you're mad at me.
YOU were the one who claimed that we all live in this big country that you characterized as "our house".
You... disagree with this? The whole Sovereign Citizen thing is starting to really fit here.
YOU asserted a just collective authority to override my decision on whom I wish to invite onto my property.
But it's not just your property there, jeff. It's mine too. And I get just as much say as you do.
And in fact, the people who agree with me have overwhelmingly told the people who agree with you to go spit.
Now, do you respect that, or do you just hate Democracy when you're the minority?
This is how fucking dishonest Jeff is. He isn't inviting someone to his property. I bet Jeff interacts with 0 illegals. Instead he pretends he is doing the inviting then demand you pay for them to stay at hotels, go to school, get food stamps, go to hospitals, drive without insurance, live with increase in crime, etc.
Jeff pretends that his desire to invite someone into the country whom he will never interact with has more rights than your wallet, safety, or anything else.
Because Jeff is an open borders Marxist.
Apparently my community is ‘his property’. When MAPedo Jeffy isn’t even really American to begin with.
Agreed Otto.
"It takes a village," they tell you. "But you don't get a say," they leave out.
To Fatfuck, ‘democracy’ is what a majority of elite radical Marxist democrats decide for everyone else.
The USA is not a libertarian utopia where there is no welfare state and everyone can come and go as they please.
As a Constitutional republic, certain aspects of life are based on the collective will of the voters. Laws have been passed, duly enacted by Congress, signed by Presidents, and entered into the US Code. Enforcing those laws, Constitutionally, of course, is part of the job of the Executive.
You cheered when previous administrations actively ignored the laws. The sometimes-overstepping backlash is what people voted for. Pendulum swings are a bitch.
You don’t make honest arguments. You’re a disingenuous sophist, and a lying propagandist. You complain, but in fact are treated better here than you deserve.
You are the lowest kind of filth. Be grateful you are allowed to exist at all, because you certainly have no right to to.
Yes, Fatfuck does crave young boy flesh. That’s why he opposes efforts to prevent grooming of kindergarteners in government schools.
He said from his cardboard box while leeching off Starbucks' wifi.
Sarc seems like the type to drive his electric bike to a bikini barista then pull over around 10 feet to enjoy the coffee as he creeps out the workers.
He’s the epitome of the creepy drunk uncle.
I wonder if Sullum has ever studied abroad as a student on a student Visa. I have, twice, on different continents.
You have to agree to a whole host of terms and conditions when you enter that agreement. One of which, typically as far as I can tell, because it was in both sets of paperwork, was to agree that the host country can kick you out (revoke your visa) at any time, for any reason, or none at all.
When I studied in Denmark, I had to agree that while I was residing there, with their permission, I was subject to, and property of, Queen Margrethe II of Denmark.
Yep, MAGA are mean low IQ bunch.
Projection is all the left has to counter opposing arguments.
It turns out Democrat voters are the low-IQ ones.
https://reason.com/volokh/2020/01/30/trump-supporters-verbal-ability/
So fuck off with your fake superiority complex. Half your voters don't know that the earth revolves around the sun.
Wait wait wait - "mean?" Why are they "mean," in context of this conversation?
Dumb, I can (sometimes, not always) understand. That's occasionally a fair criticism - but meanness? Where do you get that? Nothing about the MAGA platform comes from any mean-spiritedness as far as I can tell.
He just doesn’t like it.
Do you know who deported the most people?
How many guesses do I get?
Donald J. Shitler?
Adolf TrumpfenFarter-Fuhrer?
Ron DeSatan?
Satan J. Trump?
In summary, the claim that immigration authorities deported more than 3 million people during the Obama administration (2009-2017) is accurate based on "formal removal" figures reported by the DHS. When including "returns," however, the total exceeds 5 million. Over the eight-year period of the Obama administration, the percentage of removals carried out without a hearing before an immigration judge ranged from approximately 58% to 84%, averaging roughly 74%.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/fact-check-us-deported-more-130000074.html
Arab countries after the establishment of Israel?
Remember when Republicans swore that they would only go after illegal immigrants? Lying sacks of shit.
They are illegal as soon as their visas are revoked dumdum.
Right, so for the government to go after illegal immigrants, the government first has to manufacture them...
Goddamn you’re dumb.
He's also a lying sack of shit.
Biden manufactured them when he threw open the border for four years. We Americans didn’t bring those illegals here.
You did. We’re just cleaning up your mess. As usual. Best you stay out of our way, if you know what’s good for you. If not, things will get real fucking bad for you.
Remember when Democrats told us they are defenders of democracy, poor people, and freedom? Lying sacks of shit. Like you.
Go read the GOP bill they passed and tell me it helps the poor and increases freedom. You can't because it screws the poor and establishes a fascist county.
How?
Part of the bill allows the president to ignore lower court rulings. Only SCOTUS can forced the president to do or not do something.
So if the federal government does something you don't like... you sue and if you win, they just ignore the fact that you won.
You cannot get SCOTUS to look at it... because you have no right to appeal because you are the winner.
The only checks and balances on the President would be.... SCOTUS and only if the case moves up to SCOTUS.... which it won't.
A district court judge has no authority to impose national orders. That would be judicial tyranny. You’re just too stupid to understand that.
We are supposed to believe you read it? You are consistently proven to be wrong on here and make statements with no basis in reality.
You shouldn't believe everything you hear, especially from Morning Joe, The View, Washington Post or the NYTimes. In fact, by now, and with the truth of the last decade debunking all you stood for that they told you too, I'd think you'd finally admit you were duped and move on. But you could be a glutton for punishment an enjoy being lied to so you remain wilfully ignorant instead of admitting you were duped. I get it. Millions upon millions around the world were gaslit like you by media that we should be able to trust.
Who swore that? Who promised to not go after foreigners who violate the terms of their VISA’s? Do you have a cite Tony?
No, of course you don’t.
It was said they would go after the violent criminals first. Apparently we are all out of violent, illegal aliens.
And thus who's next?
Work to be done.
They did start with violent criminals. Nothing was ever said that they wouldn’t deport anyone else until after every last violent illegal was deported.
You’re obviously ‘confused’.
Promises made, Promises kept.
"Elections have consequences" - Barack Hussein Obama
"And at the end of the day, I won."
"I’ve got a pen, and I’ve got a phone"
JS;dr
'Lawless' is when acting within the scope of your legal authority but doing something noted legal scholar Sullum doesn't like.
Sullum, I can appreciate you do not like what is happening, that you don't think it should be legal - that you want it one way.
But it's the other way.
Sullum, when Biden was acting within the scope of his legal authority to admit illegal aliens as 'refugees' - was that lawless?
Or is it (D)ifferent?
I bet sullum supports the rampant visa and parole fraud under Biden.
Of course he does, Sullum doesn’t believe in the rule of law. He believes in the rule of democrats.
This is what blowback looks like. It may not be rational, or sensible, or even entirely legal. But it is the expected response to leftwing extremism. And it serves a purpose.
Of course, Trump's actual actions are nowhere as crass and unreasonable as the Democrats (including corporate and social media) want us to think. These are the people who cower and rant at every single step away from their progressive agenda. Also the people who lie reflexively.
Grievance masquerading as observation
Nope.
In one way, you're correct, you just have the actors backwards.
As a result of the cancellation of student visas for Harvard foreign students will instead have to go elsewhere to learn to hate America. Horrible, isn't it?
It is quite clear that the regime's actions here violate the law, but what Dear Leader wants, he must be permitted to get, so the cuitists hold., regardless of the law.
Not one of the cultists here has the capacity to say that the court was right given current law but the laws should be changed. Funny, that.
It is amazing how even after scotus is cited the shrikes of the world continue to remain ignorant. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Have you ever read the actual laws dumdum?
Shrike doesn’t even read his own links. Although he watches the kiddie porn he links here.
You say that - but the USSC disagrees. They said it didn't.
I'll trust their opinion more than yours.
1. We did say the court was right given current laws.
2. We don't think the laws need to be changed.
"It is quite clear that the regime's actions here violate the law, but what Dear Leader wants, he must be permitted to get, so the cuitists hold."
It is quite clear that the cult of the TDS-addled shit piles will continue to lie and whine.
Fuck off and die, asswipe.
In reply to SRG's bullshit, not you.
Trump is draining the swamp and sullum concerns himself with nothing but the footnotes of the Trump administration.
Biden was a dream come true for him. And now that dream has become a nightmare for him. As he watches all his Marxist plans brought down.
Good thing he has a $400 million gift to fly around and look at the swamp. It is, after all, his favorite view.
Trump is the swamp, to a level unseen before What conservatives previously called corruption they are now openly applauding.
I’m sure the people who funded the pro-Palestinian campus protests (the same people who gave Donald Trump the plane and Eric Trump a real estate deal) won’t include any strings with those gifts.
LOL, any chance to distract and deny, eh? Funny, since you've fallen off the fake pedestal you falsely constructed with lies and deceit, you still find a way to stoop lower. You stand with all those that have never accepted the Palestinians as a people. Never supported their "state" to exist. You support the oppressors, those that keep the Palestinian people underfoot and impoverished so they can be used to make Israel look evil and as the oppressor and then attempt to blame the good people and Trump. Yes we see through the deceit and lies and fake virtue you are attempting to sling. Your disgust for good continues from Oct 7th supporting terror, kidnapping and taking hostages, rape and murder an worse, hiding behind the innocent, the children the elderly and the weak. Yes your true colors are shining bright covered in blood. We see it, why don't you?
Accepting huge security risk gifts that you get to keep after your term of office from Arab states is corruption, no matter how Trump toadies try to distract. This money grab is unseemly. It has nothing to do with the atrocities of October 7. It was a totally swampy thing to do. I’m talking about accepting that jet. If you want to distract and ramble go ahead. It doesn’t make taking that jet look any better.
Which security risk gift does he get to keep after leaving office?
None of that money is headed to Trump, it's going to our military instead. Nothing objectionable about this.
But sure, go with the deflection and ignore what Hamas has been doing this whole time.
So a nation wanting to improve relations gives a gift to another nation and the leader of that nation is now evil for accepting it on behalf of the nation? And when a leader of a nation is trying to promote peace in a region where turmoil and hate has reigned for centuries is given a gift from another nation also wanting to promote peace, how could they not accept it? Only paranoid angry hateful biased people come to the negative conclusions for every action done by those they hate. You would prefer to insult them instead by not accepting the gift because you are blinded by your hate and don't want peace? It must start somewhere and this is a good step.
Why does 'no criminal record' equate to "let me hold the door while you enter the country"? Until Muslims get off the FGM, honor killing, child marriage, kill all apostates, no religious freedom Jews are devils THING, DO NOT LET THEM IN.
You don't house a recovering alcoholic over a bar, you don't let people schooled to hate and perversion (by our standards) into the country. In mainstream America this is obvious
So it appears you are firmly in “prejudice”, with a good amount of progress into “bigotry”.
https://thisvsthat.io/bigotry-vs-prejudice
In your social circle, is making broad generalizations about an entire group of people considered logical and reasonable?
If so, you should get better friends.
How is Sharia Law compatible with libertarianism?
Hypocrite much? You just made broad generalizations and called out the good people for trying to support the innocent and weak and simultaneously propped up the evil terrorists and the oppressors hiding under the baby cribs spewing hate with this. "I’m sure the people who funded the pro-Palestinian campus protests (the same people who gave Donald Trump the plane and Eric Trump a real estate deal) won’t include any strings with those gifts."
How is ‘Muslim’ a race? And your idiotic claims don’t address what he said about Muslims. In fact, one of your fellow travelers who happens to be a Muslim, just executed two Israeli embassy employees this week.
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/05/22/us/israel-embassy-shooting-dc
Claims he did it ‘for Palestine’. So fuck you and your accusations. this happened because of people like you.
You have a lot of blood on your hands.
Sullum can't see the first for the trees because he is blinded by TDS. Now he serves as a regime toadie.
From another page:
SEC. 70302. RESTRICTION OF FUNDS.
No court of the United States may use appropriated funds to enforce a contempt citation for failure to comply with an injunction or temporary restraining order if no security was given when the injunction or order was issued pursuant to Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 65(c), whether issued prior to, on, or subsequent to the date of enactment of this section.
I think I understand it to mean that it doesn't prohibit holding somebody in contempt, but it prohibits spending any money to do it. The part I don't understand is
if no security was given when the injunction or order was issued
The referenced rule includes the statement
The United States, its officers, and its agencies are not required to give security.
Sometimes a court will require a bond to bring a case - money paid up front and held by the court. You get the money back if you win, forfeit it if you lose.
The idea is that you can't use the free court as a weapon - you want an injunction you have to post a bond and you'll forfeit the bond of your case isn't strong enough.
It's not for the *government* - it's for private parties using.
Exactly, it puts skin in the game so the courts are not bogged down with frivolous suits and tries to maintain some legal honour in the suits presented.
Similar to how when presenting an offer on a house a deposit is paid to show the sellers you are serious an not just wasting their time.
"Trump's Mass Cancellation of Student Visas Illustrates the..."
Replace "Trump" with "Biden" and replace "Visas" with "Debt" and imagine how the rest of the sentence would have been completed.
CB
Great point
Bottom line: If you open your doors to mass illegal immigration of people who don't believe in libertarianism, you won't have libertarianism. We not here to commit suicide, but rather to offer an example of what's possible to the rest of the world.
It seems most nations who opened up to mass immigration are realizing the saturation of their society that has occurred and are making changes to slow it down before their identity is lost. The left is calling this xenophobic. America is different because of the size of the population compared to other much smaller nations but the threat that the millions allowed to enter under Biden can sway many future elections to the party that provides them Amnesty and fundamentally transform America exists nonetheless.
Gotta love the Bee:
Trump's 50% Tariff On European Union Decried As 'Islamophobic'
https://babylonbee.com/news/trumps-50-tariff-on-european-union-decried-as-islamophobic
You can’t bring all of there to here without here becoming there.
JS and extreme leftists, Antisemites and haters will take any chance to distract and deny, eh? Funny, since you've fallen off the fake pedestal you falsely constructed with lies and deceit, you still find a way to stoop lower. You stand with all those that have never accepted the Palestinians as a people. Never supported their "state" to exist. You support the oppressors within, those that keep the Palestinian people underfoot and impoverished so they can be used to make Israel look evil and as the oppressor and then attempt to blame the good people and Trump. Yes we see through the deceit and lies and fake virtue you are attempting to sling. Your disgust for good continues from Oct 7th supporting terror, kidnapping and taking hostages, rape and murder and worse, hiding behind the innocent, the children, the elderly and the weak. Yes your true colors are shining bright covered in blood. We see it, why don't you?
"At each turn in this and similar litigation across the nation, Defendants have abruptly changed course to satisfy courts' expressed concerns."
So...promptly complying with the courts is...bad?
Note that these schools that recruit foreign students from abroad are also champions of affirmative action, and have almost certainly denied Asian American applicants in the name of diversity.
Here's a compromise - unless colleges commit to ditching racial quotas and start admitting more AMERICAN students of all colors, they can't try to make money my admitting foreign students. If there's an Asian guy with perfect SAT score and impeccable grades, there's no reason why he can't attend one of the ivy league schools. Don't feed me this nonsense about "life experience". Make room for him by admitting one less foreigner.
The newfound reverence of "due process" by the TDS crew is galling, given that they didn't care that the government illegally placed surveillance on carter page, found Trump guilty on only 4 votes, and ordered FEMA workers to ignore house with Trump signs. If Trump did everything by the book, they would whine "AWW but they didn't commit violent crimes"
A bunch of sick pyschos - they propped up a braindead president, allow him to let millions of foreigners illegally invade he country, and now they insist on due process while Trump cleans up the mess he made. All the while they rape the due process rights of their opponents.
What explains their broken moral compass? Chemjeff thinks MAGA is a existential threat, but he makes excuses for conservative bigots who cry out of genocide and warfare against both Israel AND the host country. He plays equivalency game with J6, despite not a single one being convicted of insurrection or being proven as a threat to another race and another faith.
If a large number of foreign students erected KKK encampments and harrassed black students, the entire nation wouldn't scrutinize over our student visa policies? Tell me Gaza isnt' a terrorist state. Their people get bombed to death because none of the Muslim nations won't let them in. They crack down on the few protesters who resist Hamas.
You hate Jews. I'm talking to you TDS people.
It's funny that the judge thinks Trump should be stopped from 'moving fast and breaking rhings' but was perfectly fine with Biden doing so.
Due Process means that an individual should be treated fairly under the prevailing government regulations. Deportation is a civil proceeding adjudicated by the prevailing government agency. Federal Courts have no jurisdiction in these matters.
Thanks for making it so easy to know who to place on Mute with your MAGA idiocy.
If the truth hurts so be it. Willfully denying the truth makes you dishonest and does not remove your hurt. Muting people and staying inside your bubble does not change the truth, it just makes you less informed.
Next up ... kicking guests out your house will be lawlessness. /s
Madison didn't erven believe the Constitution provided authority to even control immigration.
We are now here, arguing if it is okay to deport people on visas.
This is a result of 100 years of compromising with border restrictionists.
Oh... Sooooo restrictionist ... /s
The US has more immigration by-far than any other larger nation in the world.
Idiot
Foreign students are here as a privilege and that does not include agitating for anti-US legislation. They are here for a reason, to study and to learn from the US culture. They are not welcome nor needed to influence government activity, which is entirely up to citizens, No you do NOT have the right to agitate for change in this country if you are not a citizen. Get out.