Trump Called Price Controls 'Communist.' Now He's Ordering Them for Prescription Drugs.
The president hopes to introduce even more government intervention into health care.

This week, President Donald Trump issued an order he says will bring down Americans' prescription drug prices. The order will likely have little effect, but it's a perfect example of the government price controls that Trump and members of his administration once compared to socialism and fascism.
On Monday, Trump issued an executive order directing the secretary of health and human services within 30 days to "communicate most-favored-nation price targets to pharmaceutical manufacturers to bring prices for American patients in line with comparably developed nations." Most favored nation (MFN) status means a country is treated the same in a negotiation as whoever is getting the best deal. If enacted across the board, Trump's order would mean pharmaceutical companies must sell drugs to Americans at the lowest prices they were offering anybody else in the world.
"Trump does not in any way suggest those price targets would apply only to the prices the government pays for medicines," writes Michael F. Cannon, director of health policy studies at the Cato Institute.
The order also directs agencies to take action against manufacturers that don't comply. "If necessary, we'll investigate the drug companies, and we'll, in particular, investigate the countries that are doing this," Trump said on Monday.
In a post on Truth Social over the weekend, Trump said that as a result of the order, "Prescription Drug and Pharmaceutical prices will be REDUCED, almost immediately, by 30% to 80%." On Monday, he said it would bring down costs "60, 70, 80, 90 percent, but actually more than that if you think about it…mathematically." The order complains that "drug manufacturers deeply discount their products to access foreign markets, and subsidize that decrease through enormously high prices in the United States."
Americans do pay significantly more for prescription drugs than people in other developed nations, but the reasons for that are more complicated than Trump suggests.
"There are many good reasons why we should pay more for earlier access to new medications than our trading partners," wrote Darius Lakdawalla and Dana Goldman of the University of Southern California's Schaeffer Institute for Public Policy & Government Service. "As the world's largest market for pharmaceuticals, America finds itself in the unique position of accruing the lion's share of the benefits from new medicines. We often recoup these additional costs in the form of longer and healthier lives."
Pharmaceutical companies say the price imbalance is due to the cost of bringing a new drug to market in the U.S., which typically runs into billions of dollars.
Trump's proposal "falls short on several fronts," Lakdawalla and Goldman wrote. Drug companies could simply hike overseas prices but offer rebates, which many foreign laws require to be confidential. Otherwise, "facing a choice between deep cuts in their U.S. pricing or the loss of weakly profitable overseas markets," the companies may simply exit foreign markets altogether, "leaving U.S. consumers with the same prices, pharmaceutical manufacturers with lower profits, and future generations with less innovation."
Besides, the order would impose the same sort of coercive government policies Trump and his allies once rightly decried as authoritarian.
In August 2024, then–Vice President Kamala Harris announced that as president, she would support a federal ban on grocery price gouging, which she blamed for inflation.
"Commies gonna commie. The only thing price controls deliver is shortages and famine," Stephen Miller, now a White House adviser, said at the time in a post on X. In a separate post, he called price controls "a Marxist policy imposed by leftist regimes whose policies have triggered radical inflation. It leads to food and medicine shortages, bread lines, a worse inflation spiral, and the destruction of the currency."
"After causing catastrophic inflation, Comrade Kamala announced that she wants to institute socialist price controls," Trump told a campaign rally at the time. "This is Communist; this is Marxist; this is fascist."
But Trump is now calling for price controls on prescription drugs, doing exactly what he warned would happen if Harris had won. Asked how the president's plan differed from Harris' proposal, a White House official told National Review's Audrey Fahlberg, "What we're doing here is kind of fixing the market and just allowing market forces to operate in a way they're supposed to to deliver price relief for the American people."
But contrary to that official's claim, price controls are completely antithetical to "allowing market forces to operate." In fact, introducing more "market forces" into the health care industry would be a welcome change. Medicare and Medicaid account for 45 percent of all health care spending in the United States.
Instead, the president hopes to introduce even more government into health care.
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I saw that crap and laughed. If he seriously thinks his diktat can lower prices by 80%, he's even more of an economic ignoramus than before. More and more political capital swirling down the drain in time to trash the 2026 midterms. What a genius.
Yeah inflation down, employment up, prices down including eggs and gasoline, markets up, gold up, Bitcoin up. The voters will never forgive that. If the price of a Chinese dildo goes up 20% it's gonna be a bloodbath.
Oh wow. Some prices down and most up. Gosh those eggs will matter.
What are the prices that are up?
The ones that didn't go down. Stupid question from someone who doesn't buy anything deserves a silly answer.
Here's one for you in this evening's news:
https://justthenews.com/nation/economy/new-car-prices-higher-april-following-tariffs
Car prices have been through the roof for five years now, dingdong.
Seriously, your name Rip Van Winkle? Because you're acting like inflation just started up 1.5 months ago.
My god you goosesteppers are sick in the head.
TRUMP IS HITLER!!!!!!!
Can't help but agree. He's too myopic to see that if Republicans lose their majority in 2026 he will be the lamest of lame duck presidents.
He's practically begging for a third impeachment, with real gripes. Point that out, and the TDS kicks in. No wonder he gets such bad advice, when even his most ardent supporters are afraid to admit the truth to themselves.
He may yet come to his senses in time for people to remember how bad the Dems were and still are. But Biden's inflation didn't drop below 4% until June 2023, and voters still remembered it in November 2024. People really hate price rises.
The republicans are toast. Good job, gentlemen.
I think he could still save it. He won't, but theoretically I think he could.
I think you nailed the problem though about the sycophant advisors.
Or, and I think this is much more likely considering midterm trends for the last like 100 years, he knows his agenda is screwed no matter what come January 2027 so they’re doing a speed run on all this.*
*Admittedly, Some of the stuff has to be done that way or it gets bogged down in committee and reviews and what have you. You know, usual swamp shit.
Trump's an economic ignoramus, and your dumbass makes him look like a fucking savant.
I absolutely love it when randos insist that the billionaire doesn't know how to make money. That the academics living on professorships know more about economics.
And best of all, that leftists and socialists and marxists understand markets.
This is more useless distraction from a man who understands little except bullying. He has no authority to make anyone reduce their prices, and he knows it.
Americans do pay significantly more for prescription drugs than people in other developed nations, but the reasons for that are more complicated than Trump suggests.
Are they though?
The reason we pay more and they pay less is that THEY have price controls.
As with tariffs, doing to them what they do to us is bad.
WE subsidize their costs by NOT being a socialized medical system. Costs can be charged to us to make up for what they can't charge in the universal health care countries.
Well, now that's going to end.
All of it.
We'll stop subsidizing their drugs, their militaries, their R&D, their exports.
Globalism is just free trade!
Yeah I'm leery of this but high US prescription prices are a direct subsidy to the rest of world. No honest person disputes this. Trump correctly sees this as us "getting ripped off" just like military subsidies and trade barriers.
No actual libertarian solution here.
Globe isn't a free market. Americans are subsidizing other countries.
This is probably the most palatable. It doesn't set an actual floor price. It just says US gets to match the price you sell to others.
Would like one of the people who are of course against this to explain what the libertarian solution is. And not just a "fuck you americans, shut up and subsidize the world."
Would like one of the people who are of course against this to explain what the libertarian solution is.
Pharma companies set any price they want. Consumers decide whether or not they want to buy the product at that price.
That's not a solution dumbfuck. Since the US system is using taxpayer funds to pay for this shit dumbfuck.
I can see why you edited this out:
And not just a "fuck you americans, shut up and subsidize the world."
No actual solution from you as usual other than ignoring all the taxpayer costs and actions of others governments affecting American costs.
Such a weird stance as you cry about tariffs for rising costs. But I guess with pharmaceuticals costs pushed onto consumers by other countries doesn't matter.
What an unserious person you are.
Wait. Forgot this is how you make your living. Anything you benefit from Mike. Even at cost to taxpayers. Forgot you applaud any government action that benefits you.
This pathetic excuse for a human lashes out like a toddler every time someone doesn't show due respect to his dear leader.
He goes irate if you contest his cognitive dissonance with libertarian principles.
Speaking of cognitive dissonance, this early onset dementia declining beta male simultaneously says I make my salary off government graft and selling pharmaceutical drugs. He's wrong on both, but it doesn't matter to him. He's a pathological liar, just like his idol.
Pretty rich calling someone a toddler after your initial response.
He adds nothing of value.
Which response do you mean?
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…your initial response.
It was a pretty short sentence, not sure how you got confused.
Because I have multiple comments on this article.
Your condescension doesn't make you look superior the way you think it does. It shows you're unable to perceive another's perspective which is not a sign of intelligence. So how about not being a teenage girlfriend dropping hints and getting all pissy when I don't read your mind for a minute and just tell which comment you're referring to?
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Because I have multiple comments on this article.
Your condescension doesn't make you look superior the way you think it does. It shows you're unable to perceive another's perspective which is not a sign of intelligence. So how about not being a teenage girlfriend...
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This pathetic excuse for a human lashes out like a toddler every time someone doesn't show due respect to his dear leader.
He goes irate if you contest his cognitive dissonance with libertarian principles.
Speaking of cognitive dissonance, this early onset dementia declining beta male
Initial can be first in series or first in time. That comment is neither.
Anyway, thanks, I stand by my statement and it's level of maturity.
Lol.
Those two quotes are not your initial post, no. I posted them because of their relationship to each other.
Bless your heart, here you go:
https://reason.com/2025/05/13/trump-called-price-controls-communist-now-hes-ordering-them-for-prescription-drugs/?comments=true#comment-11044719
Well we succeeded in wasting each other's time with this one.
Actually, making you look stupid while watching basketball, listening to the radio, and getting stuff together for my vacation next week isn't a waste of my time at all.
Oh, you were trolling...sigh. I took you seriously. That was pretty stupid of me.
I’ve been trying not to get in the middle of these, but he did basically ask what a realistic libertarian solution would be.
And while your answer would be the basic libertarian solution, it’s not necessarily the “realistic” one, due in no small part to the fact that the pharmaceutical companies don’t get to do what you said in any other country. Which puts us back at square one of American consumers footing the bill for the rest of the world’s socialized medicine.
Personally, I think much like tariffs and immigration, there isn’t necessarily a realistic libertarian solution.
And while your answer would be the basic libertarian solution, it’s not necessarily the “realistic” one...there isn’t necessarily a realistic libertarian solution.
Exactly. The libertarian solution would be to get rid of medicare, medicaid, obamacare, etc. as well as government funded drug research and development and let pharma companies set their own prices . Also libertarianism would have us ignore the price situation in other nation at least as far as it comes to domestic laws.
But rather than do any of that, Trump tries the antithesis of libertarian solutions of domestic price controls. It's the typical regulatory bandaid solution that we've been doing for years, piling regulations on regulations, giving up freedom and efficiency with each addition. This is how our healthcare system got in the near socialist situation it's in today. Now it will be worse because that's what regulations do. We know that. It's why we got into libertarianism.
And anyone not wealthy enough to pay for the expensive drugs and treatments dies.
I know people on medicaid and that's about how they are treated now.
Exactly. The libertarian solution would be to get rid of medicare, medicaid, obamacare, etc. as well as government funded drug research and development and let pharma companies set their own prices .
And how do you get there? You blather about the end, but never address the means.
What is being done is the means.
Also libertarianism would have us ignore the price situation in other nation at least as far as it comes to domestic laws.
This is just asinine. Where in any facet of libertarianism does it say that libertarianism requires its adherents to willfully blind and incapacitate themselves to factors in the world?
Of course, you're a leftist, not a libertarian, so asking such from you is a bit pointless.
Of course, you're a leftist, not a libertarian
Another binary brain not worth my time.
"Forgot this is how you make your living."
You forget a lot of stuff. You forgot to tell us how you make a living and what your bias is. Makes QB more honest than you, who still rely on Trump for your basic economic ignorance.
Okay cool as long as they put the Mexico price on the bottle in fine print so consumers can take an all expense paid trip to Playa De Carmen, buy their Ozempic and be dollars ahead.
Remember, he was the one defending 60% overhead costs added to federal grants.
There isn't an abuse of us taxpayers he hasn't defended in regards to his industry.
I didn't defend 60% overhead, but even if I did it's small potatoes compared to your economic cental planning and price controls advocacy.
I'd prefer ozempic not exist then there's no argument to its price can anyone make that happen?
Can we put Adderall on the doesn't exist list? I know the Reason libertarians would be hit hard but they're barely functioning as it is.
This is reason. Where they defend free needles for heroin.
yes mme. dillinger listed adderall when we discussed it this morning.
She sounds like a keeper.
Start your own pharmaceutical company!
Dumbass.
Pharma companies set any price they want. Consumers decide whether or not they want to buy the product at that price.
That's what this will cause.
Trump's not setting prices.
He's saying that you can't put something on the dollar menu for some people and charge US customers top dollar for it.
This will force prices into a market because companies NEED that money. The socialized healthcare systems will be forced to pay a market price, rather than a dictated price --because the REAL price controls THEY have force us to subsidize the entire world's universal healthcare schemes. (And they're STILL failing).
I look forward to the day when I pay a real, market generated price for all kinds of things.
Socialists, however, do not.
He's saying that you can't put something on the dollar menu for some people and charge US customers top dollar for it.
See Stuck in California below for a more practical libertarian solution than mine.
https://reason.com/2025/05/13/trump-called-price-controls-communist-now-hes-ordering-them-for-prescription-drugs/?comments=true#comment-11045189
And if it were a law, passed by The Senate and the House, signed by the President, it would have some teeth. This executive order is just grandstanding by a lazy, impotent bully and will accomplish nothing but draw accolades from an uninformed base who will then tell us how cheap drugs are, while I see the bi monthly charges for my injections rachet up and up from their current $29,000. Full disclosure, under Biden there was a law passed allowing Medicare to negotiate with drug companies on a few drugs, not nearly all of them. After over two years of delay, the first round of reduction will take place at the beginning of next year on a whole 10 drugs. this is a start, but a tiny one and will make little difference in the big picture. Until our legislators grow a conscience, we will continue to see those companies enjoy a 30% net margin, after all expenses, including R&D, marketing, production and administration. Meanwhile, your grocery store makes 3% and people scream about how they are robber barons.
"Yeah, let's be socialists ... that will show them. ", said the Libertarians ???
Current market for prescriptions is already socialist. Subsidizing foreign markets. Federal funding of more than half citizen Healthcare.
Did you have an intelligent point?
So the solution is to double down on the socialism instead of cutting it back?
So what’s your realistic solution?
The solution is to cut back central planning. Medicare and Medicaid are behemoths whose ever-increasing spending leads to ever-increasing drug prices, just like the federal government's involvement in propping up the student loan industry gives colleges perverse incentives to increase tuition every year to capture as much of that sweet federal dough as possible.
As I wrote in my comment below, the issue is the nature of costs being diffused among the wider taxpaying public (including the unborn who will suffer future general increases in prices due to current deficit spending) while the benefits are concentrated among much more organized and smaller groups of industry/nonprofit/union players from whom your average congresscreature seeks campaign support.
The federal government should begin scaling back on this spending/subsidies. That is more realistic than believing price controls will do anything positive.
So how is that going to impact Europe shifting costs to the US? Come on now, actual solutions to the actual problem and not some jazz hands deflection.
The issue here isn't in regards to US actions but the price controls set by other countries, cost shifting those costs to US consumers.
1. Not realistic, but I agree, so I'll let that go.
2. This is not a solution to the fact that most medications are invented in the US, subsidized by tax dollars, and the government controls all entry into the market.
Do you have a solution to the US as a whole subsidizing the rest of the world's medicines?
Price controls, tariffs.
You think we should just bomb them to make them pay more.
The subsidies are ending because Trump is destroying the government funded medical research that informs the development of most new drugs.
“The subsidies are ending”
To quote DLAM: charliehall is the dumbest motherfucker alive.
When people resort to profane namecalling I know that I have won the argument based on facts and logic. Thank you for conceding my point.
Actually a lot of medicines are invented in Europe. Despite price controls. Novo Nordisk, Roche, Novartis, AstraZenica, Sanofi, and GlaxoSmithKline are all among the largest Phama companies in the world.
How is this doubling down on socialism? Is he spending taxpayer money? Explain.
As explained to you below, drug companies can always raise their prices under price controls elsewhere. That's more socialist?
How is government meddling in markets not socialism? Explain.
Oh shit, you don't know what socialism means, lol!
As usual it is doubtful he read the actual facts around the issue or understands what most favored nation status actually is.
Clearly, but that could describe a lot of other people that will give their opinion on this.
He doesn't even know what socialism means! Then demands you explain, lol.
Socialism would be if the government OWNED the drug companies.
This is HIGH SCHOOL LEVEL political science.
So what you're saying is that Trump pegging drug prices to that provided to Third World countries isn't actually socialism, because the government doesn't own the companies that are selling the drugs?
But yes, we realize you support us paying sky-high medical costs. That's why your "ideas" suck ass.
So thinking about this for a bit from a free market aspect...
MFN seems to be the solution for a free market. The drugs get sold to every country for the same price. Countries should be free to subsidize the costs. This is the opposite of what happens now where other countries use price control to cost shift costs to Americans.
The current system seems far less libertarian than what an MFN order does.
"The drugs get sold" ... nice and passive. Who sets that price, Trump or markets? Who actually sells them, Trump or the makers?
Still waiting for an alternative realistic solution?
He wants Americans to subsidize foreigners. That is his only consistent viewpoint on these boards.
"Shut up america and pay for it."
Show me where I said that.
Exact words. Quote me.
You can't. You are a liar.
Still waiting for magic price controls to work?
That's a disingenuous comparison.
I do not get how "Charge what you want, but you cannot charge us more than others" is setting up price controls.
Does it control prices?
Why yes it does.
When someone says price controls, Id be willing to bet most people immediately think of the government telling the farmer “you can’t sell this milk for more than $4.50/gallon or less than $1.00/gallon”. Not “you don’t get to charge us more than you charge them.”
But technically correct is the best correct so…
"Does it control prices?
Why yes it does."
No. It allows them to set whatever price they want. Just that if they want their drug HERE, they cannot charge more than the price they choose to charge in other locations.
Big Pharma is free to price things however they want globally.
Does it control prices?
No, no it doesn't. This has been easy answers to Stupid questions.
So negotiating prices for government paid programs is price controls to you? Are you really this stupid?
To be fair. They don't understand most economoc concepts at all.
"The drugs get sold" ... nice and passive. Who sets that price,
The Canadian government.
The British government.
The French, Italian, German, etc., etc, etc, governments.
They all set price caps on what they'll pay for the drugs their universal health care systems will use.
And the medical supply companies make it up on the countries that don't have socialized medicine.
No price is being set. A practice is being eliminated --the practice of us being charged more for the same product than people in shittier markets.
If there's gonna be dollar menu, we ALL get to use it.
Or.....the med sup companies can make ALL their customers pay a market price. A real one. Not a fake one created to cover what socialists refuse to pay.
The fake libertarians here like sevo support price controls now in order to own the libs
Oddly it seems to be team liberaltarian supporting other country price controls at the expense of America in this thread.
So your solution is for American government price controls in addition to foreign government price controls. How patriotic of you!
Stupid-er by the day GT. How is it a price control to say "we won't continue to buy from you if you're going to continue to rip us off"? Hmmmm? Moron.
Is it "price control" when you go to the supermarket and decide to buy the $5 a dozen eggs instead of $50 a dozen? Should the government not be trying to spend less fucking money? Here's a thought- fuck you, cut spending.
You wouldn’t know a libertarian if it bit you on the ass.
I am owned! Last year MAGA told me that price controls were evil. Today MAGA told me that price controls are great! I can't avoid not being owned!!!
Meanwhile,
"Trump Torches Neocons & Interventionists, Emphasizes 'Peace Through Strength' Deal-Making, Markets Going 'Lot Higher' In Major Saudi Speech"
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/watch-trumps-lavish-welcome-saudi-arabia-mbs-breaks-protocol-greets-him-plane
This is a big speech speech and unprecedented by any president in my lifetime. Can't wait to see Reason's view through the TDS lens.
Samples:
"...Instead, the birth of a modern Middle East has been brought by the people of the region themselves, the people that are right here, the people that have lived here all their lives, developing your own sovereign countries, pursuing your own unique visions and charting your own destinies in your own way."
Silence befell the crowd as Trump said that it was his "fervent wish" that Saudi Arabia "will soon be joining the Abraham Accords" - but he ultimately conceded that the kingdom will do it in "it's own time".
“It will be a special day in the Middle East, with the whole world watching, when Saudi Arabia joins us. And you’ll be greatly honoring me, and you’ll be greatly honoring all of those people that have fought so hard for the Middle East. And I really think it’s going to be something special — but you’ll do it in your own time. And that’s what I want, and that’s what you want, and that’s the way it’s going to be."
"In the case of Iran, I have never believed in having permanent enemies. I am different than a lot of people think. I don’t like permanent enemies. Sometimes you need enemies to do the job, and you have to do it right. Enemies get you motivated," Trump said.
He continued, "I want to make a deal with Iran. I can make a deal with Iran. I’ll be very happy if we’re going to make your region and the world a safer place." He offered a "much brighter future" if Tehran will do a deal.
"If Iran’s leadership rejects this olive branch and continues to attack their neighbors, then we will have no choice but to inflict massive, maximum pressure … and take all action required to stop the regime from ever having a nuclear weapon. Iran will never have a nuclear weapon," he said.
Lifting Sanctions on Syria
"Syria, they’ve had their share of travesty, war, killing in many years. That’s why my administration has already taken the first steps toward restoring normal relations between the United States and Syria for the first time in more than a decade," Trump said.
"The sanctions were brutal and crippling and served as an important — really an important function — nevertheless, at the time. But now it’s their time to shine," he added. So I say, 'Good luck, Syria.' Show us something very special."
Blasted NeoCons & Liberal Interventionists
"In the end, the so-called ‘nation-builders’ wrecked far more nations than they built—and the interventionists were intervening in complex societies they did not understand," Trump said.
"The gleaming marvels of Riyadh and Abu Dhabi were not created by the so-called nation-builders, neo-cons, or liberal non-profits like those who spent trillions failing to develop Kabul and Baghdad."
"In Syria, which has seen so much misery and death, there is a new government that we must all hope will succeed in stabilizing the country and keeping peace."
Gaza, Yemen
"The people of Gaza deserve a much better future," Trump said. "But that will or cannot occur as long as their leaders choose to kidnap, torture and target innocent men, women and children for political ends."
Trump also proclaimed that he ordered the cessation of US-Houthi hostilities in the Red Sea, after the Pentagon flexed its military might.
"Trump says ..."
Aren't you and Jesse always ranting to go by what he does rather than what he says?
He does impose price controls and taxes Americans. He says nonsense like he can raise foreign investment while lowering trade deficits.
Maybe all you deserve is a sevo level response?
Fuck off with your TDS bullshit.
Like Sevo, if that's your only response, it means I am right and you don't have a counter.
I also like that you too realize it's a pathetic low-level last-ditch stupid response, and I wonder if Sevo likes being insulted by a fellow TDS victim.
No, it means you are too myopic to understand the picture beyond your preferred narrative.
I realized no such thing. When your response has nothing to do with the post you are responding to, instead changing to subject just to say something bad about Trump (and Jesse), that's the only response you deserve. Especially when it's a topic that I find much more important than tariffs.
Sevo shouldn't be insulted that he has a different threshold for that.
Sarc was getting lonely. Had to adopt another pet. Apologies.
QB was inevitable, but this one was actually sad to me.
He got really upset after we told him that Trump was using tariffs initially to force Canada and Mexico to control their borders and they did less than 12 hours later. I may have laughed at him a bit too much that day.
Oddly I've largely left him alone since but JDS seems to be incurable.
QB was inevitable, but this one was actually sad to me.
Your loss is our gain. I've paid attention to SGT's writings for years noting logic and principles a cut above.
Take note though, SGT didn't change. You did. As Trump goes full authoritarian socialist you go with him, but SGT didn't! More principled commenters are no doubt in the same situation, but not yet articulating it.
Couple of idiots outing themselves as having no response beyond a sevo level insult.
You didn't actually read Gaear's post, did you?
I guess you support war then. Good to know.
Trump is even more stupid that I ever imagined. The marvels of Riyadh and Abu Dhabi were caused by one thing and one thing alone: The willingness of the rest of the world to buy their oil.
They’re the only countries with oil!
Said the retard.
Oil is a world market. Globalism.
The US could ban oil imports and the Arabs would still make a fortune selling oil to every other country in the world. Oh and the price of gasoline will quadruple. There simply isn't any cheap oil left to find in the US. We have burned it all.
The answer to the Arab dominance would be to wean ourselves from fossil fuels, but nobody here seems to want that. So pay up and suck it up.
ya I mean clearly T's not generally in the Price Controls! camp so maybe sit back and not complain for a minute and think about the why
US taxpayers subsidizing the rest of the world in as many ways as possible seems to be an official policy position of Reason.
Trump Called Price Controls 'Communist.'
It seems communist, but this is really the correct principled libertarian policy. You see, this is game theory. Trump will change his mind like 3000 times in the next 3 weeks to dazzle the pharma companies with his strategic uncertainty. He'll get multiple aids to make contradictory statements with the final goal of getting pharma companies to the negotiating table.
And in case that doesn't happen, his goal was never that and it was obvious since the inauguration that it both was and wasn't that because you should look at what he says, not what he does, or vise versa, depending on what it turns out was obvious along.
And all that is also subject to change at a moment's notice.
for three months plus this place has collectively swung and missed like it's a pinata party maybe someone should look at the pitches instead
Why i keep pointing out they are basically the same as climate alarmist with their takes. Incorrect predictions don't matter.
they hurt my soul but otherwise no
While incorrect actions do matter. Weren't you the idiot who told me that businesses thrive on unpredictability? Why yes you were.
Tell us what you do for a living and we'll know where your bias is. I'm betting it's on being stupid because your head would esplode if you ever thought for a second that Trump is fallible.
for three months plus this place has collectively swung and missed like it's a pinata party
What are you referring to?
every incorrect prognostication in every article, liz
Trump bounces around like a piñata on a trampoline. Anyone can predict anything about his actions and be both right and wrong. He's the Schroedinger's cat of politics, and that's saying something.
Even JP Morgan and Goldman relented. Predicting now no recession. Despite 2 months of collapsed economy narratives.
Yes, go by today, not yesterday. Yesterday is water under the bridge, best forgotten.
Huh? They admit they were wrong but we should pretend they were right? You're not even trying to make sense.
Trump makes sense? Navarro makes sense? And you TDS apologists make sense?
This has actually gotten sad to watch.
Fuck off and die, slimy pile of TDS-addled shit.
MAGA trolls have been working as much overtime as Winston Smith in the Ministry of Truth, trying to rewrite their support for last week's Trump policy to make it look like it is the same as this week's Trump policy that is 180 degrees different.
Poor sarc.
"Team D Cummunism BAD! BAAAAAD!!!!"
"Team R Cummunism GOOD! GOOOD!!!!"
M-kay?
Clear.
Trump could nationalize both Pharma and all the US oil companies and MAGA would stand up and applaud.
What legal basis does Trump have to force companies to lower prices? None.
Powers granted to Him by none other than Karl Marx, dammit!!!
They don't have to lower their prices. They can always raise their foreign market prices to current US prices and they wouldn't have lower American prices at all.
Helps to read the order.
>>Helps to read
life advice.
Narrator: but in the end, none of them would read it.
hilarious.
What legal basis does Trump have to demand that?
I know you don't actually care.
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/m/mostfavorednation.asp
Also you could READ THE FUCKING order and he is letting the companies know about future actions such as through regulatory bodies.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/fact-sheets/2025/05/fact-sheet-president-donald-j-trump-announces-actions-to-put-american-patients-first-by-lowering-drug-prices-and-stopping-foreign-free-riding-on-american-pharmaceutical-innovation/
It is currently also in the reconciliation bill.
General overview.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/most_favored_nation
Ironically most of this will be by utilizing the trade agreements you claim to support.
The application of MFN based on WTO treaty.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0176268001000283
Link to the treaty with WTO.
https://ustr.gov/trade-agreements
Thanks for the links, Jesse.
Diarrheality meets UDDER HATRED of the NON-Trumpanzees, in the Sacred Name of the LOVE of the Pubic Good, and the hatred of the Enemas of the Pubic Good!!! ALL HAIL the Orange Dick-Shit-Oral Powers which will PREVENT the Escape of the Drug KKKorporations from Marxist Cuntfiscation, which is, after all, for the Sacred Pubic Good!!!
What a crazy response to someone being polite.
One should always be polite to Adolf Shitler, Satan AKA the Evil One, Idi Amin, Joe Stalin, and ALL of the other EVIL slimes?
https://www.salon.com/2021/04/11/trumps-big-lie-and-hitlers-is-this-how-americas-slide-into-totalitarianism-begins/
Trump’s Big Lie and Hitler’s: Is this how America’s slide into totalitarianism begins?
The above is mostly strictly factual, with very little editorializing. When I post it, the FACTS never get refuted… I only get called names. But what do you expect from morally, ethically, spiritually, and intellectually bankrupt Trumpturds?
Totalitarians want to turn the GOP into GOD (Grand Old Dicktatorshit).
https://reason.com/2023/09/22/are-we-really-doing-a-trump-vs-biden-rematch/?comments=true#comment-10246994
Trump told a Big Lie and Hitler told a Big Lie, yes… There is FAR more than that! They both told their same Big Lie OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN, to make the lie “true”!!! Tell it often enough… reinforced by VIOLENCE often enough… Whether it be by Proud Boys and Trumpanzees gone apeshit, or by Brown Shirts… And the Big Lie becomes “true dat”, and the basis of an authoritarian dicktatorshit! THAT is the rest of the story! Dispute the lie, and you die!
(We’re not there yet, but THAT is precisely where pussy-grabbing, power-grabbing Trump and Trumpanzees gone apeshit want to take us!)
PS, Hang Mike Pence! Dear Leader agrees!
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Most Favored Nation status is about government to government polices. None of that is binding on private companies.
This is why I don't bother linking anything to your retarded ass.
They're really not sending their best.
Ask Nixon. Ask your heroes FDR and Wilson. Ask every other President who has done it.
I was just going to say; it's too late for partisans like Molly to complain about the president's legal authority to do X. Too bad they didn't object when their guy did it, too.
Pure twataboutism!
Butt, whatabout that them thar whatabouts? Twatabout Hillary? Whatabout OJ Simpson?
How many brain cells does it take to run a socio-political simulation on the following:
Judge and Jury: “Murderer, we find you guilty of murder! 20 years in the hoosegow for YOU! Now OFF with ye!”
Murderer: “But OJ Simpson got off for murder, why not me? We’re all equal, and need to be treated likewise-equal!”
Judge and Jury: “Oh, yes, sure, we forgot about that! You’re free to go! Have a good life, and try not to murder too many MORE people, please! Goodbye!”
Now WHERE does this line of thinking and acting lead to? Think REALLY-REALLY HARD now, please! What ABOUT OJ Simpson, now? Can we make progress towards peace & justice in this fashion?
(Ass for me, I think we should have PUT THE SQUEEZE on OJ!)
JFC you are stupid. This doesn't set a price ceiling since they have full control of the price to be paid, they just have to deal with the US market being entangled with others and not used to subsidize the world. I thought you were all for cheap shit.
Nixon's price controls were specifically authorized by Congress.
Wilson's and FDR's price controls were wartime emergency measures. They were actually needed then. Wilson also nationalized the railroads and put his son in law in charge. Never before or since have the railroads been as well run. Government sometimes does things better than the private sector and not all Presidential sons in law are idiots. (Wilson's son in law, William McAdoo, was a brilliant railroad executive even before Wilson became President.)
Probably the part where the US government is their largest buyer.
Trump doesn't need legal authority. He is now an absolute monarch able to rule by decree. All approved by MAGA.
This is sadly how most of the ignorant economists sound in this thread.
He said it is bullshit that we pay several times more for drugs than other countries despite paying for R&D. The government is being put on the hook for a lot of that price gouging through medicare. It seems fair that the government stops overpaying for shit.
Congress is more than happy to direct the federal government to subsidize all that R&D and prescription drug spending. Diffuse/delayed costs through deficit spending and concentrated benefits in the form of campaign contributions.
After Your PervFected desired change, can I stop paying taxes for Medicare, since these newly-hear-useless bennies will be gutted by Trumpist Supreme Price-Setting Marxist Cummandments?
No more R&D from the federal government. Trump is destroying the scientific infrastructure of the US.
Yes, in medicine and in space science as well, if He gets His Way. More than that as well, perhaps, but those 2 stand out, right now.
Yes....fighting against the price controls that other nations impose on US developed drugs.
As we have recently seen with tariffs, once you make other nations live under the EXACT same tariffs they impose on the US, they feel the pain quickly.
You've never noticed that Trump is making US pay higher tariff-taxes than other nations are paying on USA imports? The more taxes, the better? Have You been PervFectly reading ANY news or are Ye PervFectly living under a rock? "EXACT same tariffs they impose on the US", my ass!!!!
It reminds me of all the bitching and gnashing of teeth that Republicans started to pounce and use the shit leftists tactics against them.
A counter-argument is that MFN status is appropriate because of the substantial financing the US government provides to pharmacological research. Requiring drug companies to grant MFN status to US purchasers in exchange for access to those funds is eminently reasonable, if one accepts the government funding such research -- especially if patents are granted to them.
Ideally, there would be no government funding, no regulation, no limiting patents, and no attempts at price control/negotiation; however until they are all eliminated (or reduced) it strikes me as a reasonable compromise.
This guy gets it.
You are on track to no government funding. That will kill Pharma research much more effectively than price controls will.
Patents are explicitly permitted in the Constitution. Without them, Pharma won't exist. Why would anyone do research for a product they want to sell when anyone can copy it for free? And because there are 180 other countries that have agreed to a system of intellectual property protection, the US would be a bigger rogue than China is today.
Libertarianism sometimes simply won't even come close to working.
This is what you call blaming the effect instead of addressing the cause.
Why do Americans PAY so much more?
Because Gov-Gun THEFT PAYS so much more....
When Gov-Gun THEFT doesn't PAY; Americans won't PAY and then the supplier have to supply for what Americans will PAY.
Trumps second term mistake will be his promise not to touch Security for Socialists and Socialist Healthcare.
Americans do pay significantly more for prescription drugs than people in other developed nations, but the reasons for that are more complicated than Trump suggests.
Who cares about why it's "more complicated."
The question you're avoiding is: why is that OK?
Some animals are more equal than others, right Joe? I mean, you could have saved yourself 750 words and just said, "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need."
GDIAF.
As i said above, US taxpayers subsidizing the rest of the world appears to have become an official policy position of Reason.
Do we also need price cuntrols at the grocery store to prevent US taxpayers from subsidizing the rest of the world?
See how Marx tried to coopt Adam Smith. I fear we are getting closer to throw Marxian view at this magazine. Always advocating for redistribution under the guise of a free market.
https://www.adamsmithworks.org/documents/what-karl-marx-did-and-did-not-see-in-adam-smith
In order to save capitalism they had to destroy capitalism.
Yes, this is EXACTLY twat Trump and His Trumpanzees are doing! Destroying capitalism to save "capitalism" = Trumpism!
"...On Monday, Trump issued an executive order directing the secretary of health and human services within 30 days to "communicate most-favored-nation price targets to pharmaceutical manufacturers to bring prices for American patients in line with comparably developed nations."..."
The lying pile of steaming TDS-addled shit Joe Lancaster claims this is 'price controls'.
That claim establishes the inability of the lying pile of steaming TDS-addled shit Joe Lancaster to tell the truth.
Fuck off and die, lying pile of steaming TDS-addled shit.
Why is everyone acting like there's no libertarian solution here?
Simple. Pharmaceutical companies can sell the drugs to anywhere in the world at whatever price they think the market will bear.
As for me, the random consumer, I should then be legally able to purchase my medication from any market in the world willing to sell it to me. Allowing me to make my own decisions whether buying it locally is worth the premium over getting it from, say, Canada, or Mexico, or India, or wherever is willing to sell it to me.
I'd probably pay a little extra if India is known to sell counterfeit meds, say, and get the Canadian stuff I trusted more. Or I might not think the massive upcharge for the US market stuff is worth it over a Mexican generic from a trusted pharmacy, etc...
Either way, price transparency and genuinely global markets is the libertarian way to go. Can't force Americans to subsidize the the Elbonians if they can just buy from an Elbonian pharmacy at Elbonian prices.
Kudos!!! THIS is the LESS Government Almighty solution, right there!
Along the same lines, I should be allowed to buy health insurance from any honest insurance seller, in any USA state, no matter where I live, for starters... Ideally from ANY nation! Fence OUT the Government Almighty micro-managers and slavers!
(That way, I could escape from health-insurance mandates. If I want self-esteem therapy coverage and species-change surgery coverage, I can get shit and pay for shit... If not? I can get cheaper insurance!)
You can buy health insurance from any seller, now. Most insurance companies operate and sell policies in just about every state. But if you are in New York City, your Nebraska health insurance won't have any contracts with any New York physicians or hospitals or pharmacies, so it isn't going to do you any good except on your visits to the Omaha Zoo.
I have bought prescription drugs from Canada.
Me too! Under Trump's unprovoked trade wars, we might not be able to do this much longer!
Holy shit, whole wall of grey bars responding to me. Didn't think this was such a controversial hypothetical.
Paranoid Trumpster sneeringly fears the inferior ones even when they agree with shit's post! THIS is how Trumpsters think that they will persuade and get along with others! Typical!
And this is one of MANY reasons why Trumpsters should and will get shot down in the 2026 erections! Sad to say, there is little hope that they will be shot down by the Libertarian Party... They will be shot down by the Demon-Craps! At least they Demon-Craps will be HIGHLY unlikely to start unprovoked trade wars, or extra-judicially send people to torture chambers in El Salvador, or pubically lust after militarily invading Canada, Greenland, Panama, and the Gaza Strip!
I'm embarrassed I missed this obvious, simple yet robust solution. Sir, I am in your debt.
This might be half a solution (where is the legal liability, purchase country or use country) it doesn't help if I've only got 1-2 meds for $100 a month extra. Getting rid of the baseline difference down to the lowest agreeable price gets rid of that too even if it requires some governmental framework.
Pharmaceutical companies CAN sell drugs to anyone in the world at whatever price they want.
This doesn't change that.
The issue is that Canada, the UK, the EU and a whole lot more all have price controls--their socialist medical systems will only pay so much.
So the companies make up the difference with countries that don't have socialist medical systems.
The order says that the US is no longer paying more for what they get for less. Either they sell for less, or the US doesn't buy.
And those cheap prices you're getting from those other countries will go away if they can't make up that extra cash off the US.
Elbonia won't be selling. Nor will Canada.
They're trying to force pharmaceuticals into an actual market price.
Externality , look it up.
No free market in drugs needed to LIVE
No free markets needed to live, either, in food, housing, clothes, transportation... Ass all the WISE Uber-Lards KNOW, Cummunism WORKS! We just have do Cummunism THEIR way! TRUST in them! JUST in them! Snake Kaa, Jungle Book... https://www.youtube.com/shorts/cvf-S44R_IA
"No free markets needed to live, either, in food, "
Tariffs on food imports from Canada and Mexico distort free markets, protecting inefficient American farmers.
"housing"
Restrictive zoning laws mean that there isn't anything close to a free market in housing. Late last year the New York City Council upzoned the entire city in order to make the market a little freer. Every Republican voted against that, and so did most conservative Democrats. It was Progressive Democrats who led the effort. It may be the first pro-free market act by Progressives in generations. The world is turned upside down.
" clothes"
Tariffs on clothing distort the market in order to protect what is now an almost nonexistent clothing industry in the US. I lived in a New England mill town where the mill had died. The conditions at the mill had been so bad that nobody really missed it. The mill had for well over a century attracted one wave after another after another of desperate immigrants to work there; Americans would not put up with the low wages and poor conditions. Trump's immigration policies are such that no clothing factory will ever be able to be staffed.
"transportation.
There has never been a free market in transportation because to build roads, railroads, ports, and airports, you need eminent domain. Public transportation requires subsidies everywhere, and the idiots who want to end those will never be able to drive more than a block from their homes in most cities if that happens because the streets will be gridlocked 24/7. Most businesses will fail because workers won't be able to get to work. MAGA would love all ports to close, but that will end both exports and imports. All major airlines other then Southwest have had subsidies through bankruptcies.
We can make the markets more free and that would be a good thing. But totally free markets have never existed.
From a 2017 article right her in Reason:
https://reason.com/2017/03/10/president-trump-dont-resort-to-pharmaceu/?itm_source=parsely-api
"less revenue to pharmaceutical companies means less money devoted to research and development"
This is no longer an issue. Trump has destroyed the scientific research infrastructure of the US. American researchers are fleeing to other countries or retiring earlier. The basic research and epidemiologic research that Pharma uses to decide what diseases and mechanisms to isn't there anymore. And Trump's cuts to the FDA mean that it will take much longer to get a drug approved in the US. So this is no longer an argument against price controls.
Cuts to the PUNISHMENT POWERS of the FDA would be MOST welcomed, by me at least!
In these days of ridiculously easy access to the internet, AND with (mostly) easy access to the courts, for legal remedies for fake-medicines "remedies", WHY do we need to get FDA approval for everything any more? We have easy access to information and justice, after all. How about new laws saying labels "approved by the FDA" or "approved by Charlie Hall's private rating agency" or "not approved by anyone", or "QR code for complete details right here", is ENOUGH, and NO ONE needs FDA approval for ANYTHING, ass long ass there are no lies! NoT stealing by deception has been accepted ethically and legally as a standard, for a LONG time!
So again, who needs the FDA in shit's current form?
Meanwhile, ALL of Trump's DOGE etc. has SNOT yet freed us from the FDA's petty tyranny via the "flute police"!
To find precise details on what NOT to do, to avoid the flute police, please see http://www.churchofsqrls.com/DONT_DO_THIS/ … This has been a pubic service, courtesy of the Church of SQRLS!
Most of the cost of developing drugs is compliance with the pointless rituals required by the FDA to support its pretense that it is 'proving' drugs 'safe and effective'...rituals that come to billions of dollars for a single drug to win FDA approval. Add to that the billions for the drugs that don't make it, and you ain't talkin' chump change.
And he orders them in strict conformit of what he said about tariffs !!! Here is a leftist attack on your statement
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lgp2QAHCQ6g
It’s hard to read this article and say, “Well, if the government didn’t prohibit on-line and cross-border sales of medications, then consumers would comparison shop online and find lower prices.”
The problems with health care and its costs always boils down to the Federal government corrupting the market. There is no free market in health care. Everything is restricted and controlled by the administrator.
"As the world's largest market for pharmaceuticals, America finds itself in the unique position of accruing the lion's share of the benefits from new medicines. We often recoup these additional costs in the form of longer and healthier lives."
Has this dude looked at the data recently? America is #55 among countries in life expectancy, slighltly below Albania and Panama, and only slightly above Cuba and China, which are literal Communist countries. I don't think we're doing such a hot job of recouping those costs.
Has this dude looked at the data recently? America is #55 among countries in life expectancy
It's not.
This is an artifact of how they get the statistic.
When you control for the black and hispanic population, as well as how the US defines 'infant', the average life expectancy skyrockets.