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Election 2024

Are We Really Doing a Trump vs. Biden Rematch?

The worst kind of Groundhog Day.

Steven Greenhut | 9.22.2023 11:05 AM

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My favorite religious movie hands down is Groundhog Day, the 1993 Bill Murray comedy where an arrogant TV anchor is forced to relive the same day thousands of times until he fixes his attitude and learns to care about his neighbors. He can't move on with his life until he graduates from his purgatory in Punxsutawney, Pennsylvania. It's a brilliant allegory for our spiritual journey as individuals and, apparently, as a nation.

The political parallels are obvious as the nation braces for a rerun of 2020's bitter election pitting the most narcissistic and cruel person I've seen in public life against a man whose main attribute is he's not the other guy. "President Joe Biden is 'old' and 'confused,' and former President Donald Trump is 'corrupt' and 'dishonest,'" according to most respondents in a recent major poll.

Yet here we go again. Whatever Americans tell pollsters, we're locked in a partisan grudge match that shows signs of escalating rather than abating. This remains one of the freest and most prosperous nations that's ever existed, and yet Americans are angry, pessimistic and don't seem to like their fellow Americans very much. We can't even agree on a basic set of facts—and virtually no one cuts their opponents any slack.

It also reminds me of a TV show—specifically the Seinfeld episode where George Castanza drives his late girlfriend's parents to his house in the Hamptons. George has no such house. The Rosses know he has no such house. George knows they know he has no such house. Yet they're going to make the long journey anyway. "All right—we're taking it up a notch!" George declares as they start the drive.

This week, we learned that Sen. Mitt Romney (R–Utah) won't run for re-election. He sees the writing on the wall. "My wing of the party talks about policy and about issues that will make a difference in the lives of the American people," he said at a press conference. "The Trump wing of the party talks about resentments of various kinds and getting even and settling scores and revisiting the 2020 election."

He's not wrong. Nor is he wrong saying Trump and Biden ought to step aside and let new leaders emerge. Perusing X, formerly known as Twitter, I saw GOP friends say they never want the party to go back to where it was 11 years ago when Romney was the nominee. I disagree with Romney on many things, but I'd be thrilled to be back where losing candidates didn't try to overturn the election or incite mobs to attack the Capitol, or face 91 mostly serious criminal charges or have dinner with extremists.

Quite a few state and county officials endured doxing and threats after they certified the 2020 results. One—GOP supervisor Bill Gates from Maricopa County, Ariz.—had publicly announced he won't seek-re-election. "Gates, who, along with his family, has been the target of threats and attacks during his tenure from those trumpeting false election claims, previously said that he suffers from PTSD," Politico reported. Is this the world we want to live in?

Regarding Biden, even most Democrats believe he is too old. Vice President Kamala Harris clearly isn't up to replace him. I covered her as California attorney general, and she seemed remarkably unprincipled and remains unable to articulate her views in a coherent manner. One need not be a Republican to realize inflation is soaring – driven by the administration's federal spending initiatives. Biden and Harris promote the type of outmoded union policies that have destroyed jobs and opportunities in California.

Energized by its base, Republicans are sure Democrats want to turn America into a socialist hellhole. Trump still promotes his denial of election results, so Democrats aren't wrong to suspect a Trump victory could mean the end of our democratic system. Progressives, of course, disdain the free-market system, but conservatives now embrace big government—with some MAGA intellectuals touting authoritarian Hungary as the model. Conspiratorialism is rampant on both sides.

The Republican presidential debate sums up our problems. Trump didn't participate and the most popular alternative candidates are auditioning for the MAGA mantle in case, for some reason (such as a prison sentence) the former president can't occupy the White House. On the Democratic side, it's easy to forget that socialist Bernie Sanders came perilously close to gaining the nomination.

As evidence of the Horseshow Theory of Politics (where far left and far right share more similarities than differences, as in a horseshoe rather than a straight line), many populist Bernie Bros. are warming up to a second Trump presidency. So it looks like we're taking things up a notch. We're set to continue repeating this nonsense until more Americans have had enough of it—and learn to believe in our nation and our neighbors more than they believe the latest online nonsense.

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Steven Greenhut is western region director for the R Street Institute and was previously the Union-Tribune's California columnist.

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  1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

    Joe isn’t going to make it to Election Day.

    1. A Cynical Asshole   2 years ago

      I think there's a pretty high likelihood that Trump doesn't either. Whether it's a guilty verdict in one of his "totally 100% fair" trials or an assassination.

      1. Medulla Oblongata   2 years ago

        Forty-four percent of the “younger Democratic men” surveyed in the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) poll approved of “assassinating a politician who is harming the country or our democracy.” That was the highest rate of any gender, party and age combination.

        1. VULGAR MADMAN   2 years ago

          Lincoln’s ghost: “tell me about it!”

          1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

            lol

        2. Matt Rowan   2 years ago

          If that "poll" is valid then that 44% of "younger democratic men" would be in favor of assassinating damn near most of the leadership of the demrat party along with their repellent (i.e. the racist SPLC) supporting organizational leadership.

      2. Liberty Lover   2 years ago

        Short of treason, he can run from prison. No prohibition on that.

      3. Elmer Fudd the CHUD 2: Steampunk Boogaloo   2 years ago

        That might start the revolution, which is what is needed at this point. The democrats amd their RINO collaborators will never stop on their own.

    2. Ersatz   2 years ago

      agreed

      for a number of either necessary and\or contingent reasons

    3. MasterThief   2 years ago

      I thought he would croak within 2 years of his inauguration. Just one of so many ways the sick fuck has let me down

    4. debo10   2 years ago

      We should let the voters decide without all the opinions of the 'experts' that got us Joe Biden in a corrupt election. If Trump is corrupt, then Biden is ten times worse. At least Trump was already rich and respects the country and the Constitution. Biden? He is working for Obama and has no respect for the law, the country's Constitution, or our borders.

      1. Slickrick   2 years ago

        Trump respects the Constitution. LOL. You can't be serious.

        1. freedomwriter   2 years ago

          MAGA's are always serious

          1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

            So why don't you two Probably Shrikes tell us about what he did?

            Did he secretly send demands to Twitter telling them to censor his political opponents? Did he try enacting gun grabbing legislation?

        2. JesseAz   2 years ago (edited)

          Which court case are you referring to? Obama set the record for 0-9. Biden hasn’t done well either.

        3. Elmer Fudd the CHUD 2: Steampunk Boogaloo   2 years ago

          More so than any of his predecessors until you get back to Reagan. Was that what you were trying to say?

    5. The Last American Hero   2 years ago

      He will make it, and he will win. Narrowly in reality, handily after fortification.

    6. VULGAR MADMAN   2 years ago

      Joe can’t make it to the toilet before he soils himself.

    7. Johnathan Galt   2 years ago

      Correct. The CCP is quietly maneuvering to insert their replacement puppet.

  2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

    "Both sides!
    Also, sure one side is doing Nazi stuff, but they've reliably informed me that the guy who didn't do Nazi stuff when he had power, will do it next time for sure.
    Just to be safe I should vote again for the guys doing Nazi stuff, because I sure don't want that other guy to get in and maybe do it too."

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      New Netflix series: Stalin vs. Hitler

      1. Ajsloss   2 years ago

        Real Hitler or Literally Hitler?

      2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

        Except in reality it's Stalin/Hitler vs. Walter White/Fredo Corleone.

      3. Johnathan Galt   2 years ago

        Yes, because Trump was SUCH an authoritarian, tearing down 70+ years of Demunist progress towards actual totalitatrianism...

        Cry harder!

    2. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

      as if your vote means shit

      1. VULGAR MADMAN   2 years ago

        If a vote doesn’t mean anything, why the hell are they moving heaven and earth to stop Trump?

        Why not sit back and relax?

        1. Johnathan Galt   2 years ago

          Right? The totalitarian thugs are in full meltdown. This time Trump will get so many real votes that to beat him they'll have to stuff in more ballots than there are people of voting age - and nobody will believe that, not even their most fanatical minions!

    3. SQRLSY One   2 years ago

      Read the FACTS to see who is the Adolf-Adoring Hitler-Humper here!

      https://www.salon.com/2021/04/11/trumps-big-lie-and-hitlers-is-this-how-americas-slide-into-totalitarianism-begins/
      Trump’s Big Lie and Hitler’s: Is this how America’s slide into totalitarianism begins?

      The above is mostly strictly factual, with very little editorializing. When I post it, the FACTS never get refuted… I only get called names. But what do you expect from morally, ethically, spiritually, and intellectually bankrupt Trumpturds?

      Totalitarians want to turn the GOP into GOD (Grand Old Dicktatorshit).

      1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

        I've refuted that lying garbage propaganda from fucking Salon (Salon!) you keep peddling at least a dozen times now.
        When are you going to answer the points I made about that horseshit?

        1. SQRLSY One   2 years ago (edited)

          When Perfect You ever get AROUND to actually posting a coherent response to this... Excluding "Not from MY Tribe, therefor icky-poo"... I will respond! Stupid shit about disputing WHO ever used the term "Big Lie" first... Ass if combining these 2 words together is a HUGE innovation... Is merely obfuscating! Do You Perfectly know what "obfuscating" means?

          1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

            Answer the points, dirtbag.

            1. SQRLSY One   2 years ago

              Marxist Mammary-Farter-Fuhrer says that photosynthetic plants are consciously cunt-spiring to flavor their own genetic offspring ass opposed to the not-THEIR-genes offspring of the same species of plants! Presumably these EVIL plants are anti-Trumpers, which explains it all!

              Your Perfect Stupidity refutes itself, so twat more can I add?

              1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

                What's your official diagnosis?

                1. SQRLSY One   2 years ago

                  Cis-het normal, data-driven, logical, benevolent... All of which sums up these days to be a NON-Trumpaloo, which is HIGHLY offensive to the Trump-Humpers!!!

                  1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

                    Answer the points, dirtbag.

                2. JesseAz   2 years ago

                  Cannibal piece of shit.

      2. Zeb   2 years ago

        No, America's slide into totalitarianism began well before Trump ram for president.

      3. Zeb   2 years ago

        Wow, that is a terrible article. Calling Trump's questioning of the election, whatever you think about it, "The Big Lie" is a disgusting and ridiculous attempt to tar him with the worst epithet anyone can think of. Trump lied (maybe, it's not a lie if you believe it. Or if it turns out to be true), Hitler lied. Therefore they are the same. That's all you've got. It's fucking pathetic. I'm not for calling anyone fascists or nazis (unless they actually are), but if any part of American politics resembles fascism it is the progressive left (which makes sense as progressives were openly admiring of Fascism until about 1939.).

        1. SQRLSY One   2 years ago

          Trump told a Big Lie and Hitler told a Big Lie, yes... There is FAR more than that! They both told their same Big Lie OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN, to make the lie "true"!!! Tell it often enough,,, reinforced by VIOLENCE often enough... Whether it be by Proud Boys and Trumpanzees gone apeshit, or by Brown Shirts... And the Big Lie becomes "true dat", and the basis of an authoritarian dicktatorshit! THAT is the rest of the story! Dispute the lie, and you die!

          (We're not there yet, but THAT is precisely where pussy-grabbing, power-grabbing Trump and Trumpanzees gone apeshit want to take us!)

          1. Zeb   2 years ago

            Every politician lies over and over again. The comparison with Hitler is just plain idiotic. There are lots of legitimate things to criticize Trump for. Being a Nazi, or even a proto-fascist isn't really one of them.

            1. Elmer Fudd the CHUD 2: Steampunk Boogaloo   2 years ago

              You’re trying to reason with a shit eating psychopath.

        2. SQRLSY One   2 years ago

          Hitler lied (maybe, it’s not a lie if you believe it. Or if it turns out to be true). Maybe the German Jews DID stab Germany in the back in WW I!

          The truth is WHATEVER YOU BELIEVE!

          https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/ted-cruz-false-voter-fraud-claims-1260861/

          Ted Cruz is REALLY good at this!

          1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

            "Maybe the German Jews DID stab Germany in the back in WW I!"

            Yeah, the psychopath really went there folks.

            1. SQRLSY One   2 years ago

              "Trump lied (maybe, it’s not a lie if you believe it. Or if it turns out to be true)"... These are the kinds of things that Trumpaloos say, and Marxist Mammary-Farter-Fuhrer can TWAT see the similarity? And the hilarity, were it SNOT quite so sad? TWATEVER YE BLEEVE is true, IS true, Perfect Twat! Maybe all non-Team-R voters WERE mind-cunt-rolled by the Lizard People!

              1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

                Too late, ᛋᛋqrlsy, Reichsführer of the Sqrlsstaffel.

                I've saved that comment and I'll be bringing it up constantly.

          2. Commenter_XY   2 years ago

            Maybe the German Jews DID stab Germany in the back in WW I!

            This is asinine. GFY.

            1. SQRLSY One   2 years ago

              "Trump lied (maybe, it’s not a lie if you believe it. Or if it turns out to be true)."

              This (above) is the kind of thing that cunt-sore-va-turds say... And ye can TWAT see the resemblance to Adolf-Adoring and Hitler-Humping? Can ye open your EYES, please? Less cunt-sore, and more eyes open?

              https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/jan/06/ted-cruz/ted-cruzs-misleading-statement-people-who-believe-/
              “Recent polling shows that 39% of Americans believe the election that just occurred was ‘rigged.’ You may not agree with that assessment, but it is nonetheless a reality for nearly half the country,” said Cruz.

              Ted Cruz believes in the Big Lie! If you BLEEVE in it, it becomes TRUE!!! If’n ye do NOT Bleeve… Ye had BETTER watch out, or Ted Cruz and The Donald and The Tribe will GET you!

        3. SQRLSY One   2 years ago

          https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/jan/06/ted-cruz/ted-cruzs-misleading-statement-people-who-believe-/

          "Recent polling shows that 39% of Americans believe the election that just occurred was ‘rigged.’ You may not agree with that assessment, but it is nonetheless a reality for nearly half the country," said Cruz. "I would note it is not just Republicans who believe that. 31% of independents agree with that statement. 17% of Democrats believe the election was rigged."

          Ted Cruz believes in the Big Lie! If you BLEEVE in it, it becomes TRUE!!! If'n ye do NOT Bleeve... Ye had BETTER watch out, or Ted Cruz and The Donald and The Tribe will GET you!

        4. Chip D   2 years ago

          Donald Trump is not racist and he is not in cahoots with Russia. He is however an dim witted, thin-skinned egomaniac. He is a horrible businessman and a liar who says whatever he thinks people will like.

          This doesn't make him worse than Biden, but I will never vote for either of these a*#hats.

          1. Medulla Oblongata   2 years ago

            Who cares. His SCOTUS picks were miles and miles above Biden's what's a woman "I'm not a biologist" affirmative action pick.

          2. JesseAz   2 years ago

            The old Billionaire is a terrible business man trope.

          3. Johnathan Galt   2 years ago

            Yes, you really should stay home.

          4. TrickyVic (old school)   2 years ago

            Biden is now competing with George Santos for the most lies.

            Dude is so far gone mentally he'll say anything.

        5. Slickrick   2 years ago

          Trump didn't just question the election. That is pure BS and diminishes what he was actually doing.

          1. retiredfire   2 years ago

            Trump didn't do anything that hasn't been done in history, including having states make lists of alternate electors, and the discussions around doing that, which the cheaters are calling "conspiracy", are nothing new.

            1. JesseAz   2 years ago

              You have to remember. 99% of leftists like rick are ignorant.

              1. Elmer Fudd the CHUD 2: Steampunk Boogaloo   2 years ago

                Something has to be done about them. We can’t tolerate them any longer. Look where that has gotten us.

          2. Michael Ejercito   2 years ago

            What did he do?

            Did he pay for an intelligence dossier trying to show that his opponent colluded with China/Israel/Mars/Zeta Reticuli to steal the election, and then hide the source of the funding from the FEC?

          3. Johnathan Galt   2 years ago

            ...which was MUCH more heroic, trying to block the coup / election theft.

          4. TrickyVic (old school)   2 years ago

            Neither did Gore. Gore has his legal team involved with Florida and literally challenged the vote count.

            For election denialism. Dems - 2, Repbs - 1. At least in my lifetime.

            There was a systemic attempt to remove Trump from office after he was elected.

      4. Slickrick   2 years ago

        Exactly. Trump is our Hitler. Thanks for the link.

        1. SQRLSY One   2 years ago

          Cool, Bro or Bro-ess! ("Rick" sure implies "Bro", but ya never know, with these handles hereabouts.)

        2. Elmer Fudd the CHUD 2: Steampunk Boogaloo   2 years ago

          You’re a Marxist moron. You have no right to exist.

          Did you know that?

      5. Johnathan Galt   2 years ago

        Ah, I see they still don't have a cure for stupid...

    4. freedomwriter   2 years ago

      Trump didn't do Nazi stuff. LOL. You can’t be serious.

      1. SQRLSY One   2 years ago

        Hitler didn’t do Nazi stuff, either. He "merely" told OTHERS to do shit! Just like Trump agreed that the Trumpanzees gone apeshit should "Hang Mike Pence"!

        https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/25/politics/donald-trump-january-6-mike-pence-chants/index.html

        1. TrickyVic (old school)   2 years ago

          Trying to relate Trump to Hitler is beyond stupid and it belittles the atrocities committed and the victims of them.

      2. VULGAR MADMAN   2 years ago

        A Hitler who refused to start any wars? Lame!

        1. SQRLSY One   2 years ago

          "Merely" a war on democracy and peaceful transfers of power (which war does NOT count for ANYTHING), right, right-wing wrong-nut?

        2. Elmer Fudd the CHUD 2: Steampunk Boogaloo   2 years ago

          And was blocked by democrats and RINO’s when he tried to reduce the power of the Executive Branch.

      3. Johnathan Galt   2 years ago

        They aren't. All Demunists lie - all the time. They have to. When your entire cult idiotology rests on a steaming mountain of lies, truth becomes an existential threat.

  3. tracerv   2 years ago

    Would Kamala Harris vs Mike Pence be better?

    How about a Gavin Newsom vs Nikki Haley tilt?

    Anyone's panties wet for any of those?

    1. Ajsloss   2 years ago

      What's HRC up to? Mayber it's Her Turn now?

      1. Johnathan Galt   2 years ago

        I'd like to see a rematch of the Hildebeast vs the Donald.

        Watching her get beat like a drum again would be infinitely satisfying!

    2. SQRLSY One   2 years ago

      Would Kamala Harris vs Mike Pence be better? BOOOOOO!!!!!

      How about a Gavin Newsom vs Nikki Haley tilt? Yes, this! Nikki Haley tilt? She's got YUUUGE tilts, NICE tilts on stilts, I mean, tracts of land!

    3. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

      do you mean Nikki "‘If you want something done, ask a woman" Haley.

      That cringe scripted line from her team was so godawful I think i'll vote for Biden if it comes down to her vs. him

    4. One-Punch_Man   2 years ago

      Buttplug vs anyone?

      1. Palatki   2 years ago

        Well, i would have to say there's a little bit of buttplug in Biden, maybe a lot. He does like making out with babies on national television.

        1. SQRLSY One   2 years ago

          Your link(s) fell off! Does Biden pussy-grab them of just hair-smell them? Are any of the objects of his affections known as Spermy Daniels? Did he fuck Spermy Daniels without a condom, while his wife was with child? And... Is there video? Asking, for a fiend!

      2. Elmer Fudd the CHUD 2: Steampunk Boogaloo   2 years ago

        Jerry Sandusky?

  4. nobody 2   2 years ago

    It's kind of funny that the Cathedral still won't admit that RFK Jr. exists but can throw in a reference to Bernie Sanders, who's not even a candidate this time.

  5. BYODB   2 years ago (edited)

    I disagree with Romney on many things, but I’d be thrilled to be back where losing candidates didn’t try to overturn the election or incite mobs to attack the Capitol…

    Obviously, Greenhut must be a racist for supporting that nasty joke Romney. I mean, he thinks Russia is still our greatest geopolitical foe and he’s totally an evil racist!

    Sorry, I remember his run for President and that was the Democrat message. Same as it is for Trump now, only now they’re double-plus serious dontchaknow!

    Is this just a boy-who-cried wolf situation where Democrats have said this every time for years but finally found a wolf? Seems improbable, but maybe.

    Trump still promotes his denial of election results, so Democrats aren’t wrong to suspect a Trump victory could mean the end of our democratic system.

    Oh, the END OF DEMOCRACY!!! You know, you keep saying that word but I do not think it means what you think it means.

    I agree it would be great if we had better options than these two shitheads but if half the country wants Trump and you want to block that with ENDLESS lawfare who, precisely, is standing in the way of the will of the people? After all, Biden hasn’t been impeached even once and last I checked nothing they’ve thrown at the Trump wall has managed to stick.

    1. MarcL   2 years ago

      I agree the MSM will have a viscous and coordinate attack on whomever the nominee is. The republican nominee MUST be willing to fight back and be able get their message out despite censorship. Only Trump has that fight and reach at the moment.
      People who label Trump corrupt don't understand he is the only president in recent times to LOSE wealth during his time in government.
      The left accuses the right of everything they are doing. Biden is the one that is corrupt and dishonest.

    2. A Cynical Asshole   2 years ago

      Trump still promotes his denial of election results, so Democrats aren’t wrong to suspect a Trump victory could mean the end of our democratic system.

      That might be the most idiotic sentence I've ever seen written here. Even dumber than some of Pluggo and a certain shit eating homeless commenter's inane bullshit. The idea that one narcissist is going to destroy the entire system is fucking laughable. Especially when you consider that the system has survived far worse than Trump (Wilson, both Roosevelts, Nixon/ Watergate scandal, the Civil fucking War, just to name a few) and survived is all the evidence one should need of the utter stupidity of that statement.

      1. retiredfire   2 years ago

        It was the phony 2020 election results, that spelled the end of democracy.
        Trump was trying to save it, which, ironically the cheaters claimed they were doing in the Time article that laid out "The Secret History of the Shadow Campaign That Saved the 2020 Election."
        Self described as "a well-funded cabal of powerful people, ranging across industries and ideologies, working together behind the scenes to influence perceptions, change rules and laws, steer media coverage and control the flow of information."
        That doesn't sound, to honest people, how to "save" anything.

        1. Medulla Oblongata   2 years ago

          I always wanted to create a doctored version of the Times article and insert Elon Musk, Heritage Foundation, etc. in place of Zuckerburg, et al. just to hear the screeches from my liberal friends.

          Indeed, that's a tactic I've used in smaller exercises...much like the You Tube videos that use Obama's words but say they came from Trump to get the expected condemnation reaction, then tell the fools who really said it. "Trump said that? Not surprised, he's such a racist piece of shit....what Obama said it? errr...."

      2. Johnathan Galt   2 years ago

        Right? And, if Trump were to actually pull off a victory AGAINST the massive cheating he believes happened (it did, but irrelevant to the question), wouldn't that be a VICTORY for Democracy (i.e the will of the people beating the cheaters)?

        Without irony, Demunists would have nothing to say...

    3. A Cynical Asshole   2 years ago

      Oh, the END OF DEMOCRACY!!!

      It's not the end of democracy, but it could be the end of "OuR DeMoCrAcY, HERP-DE-DERRRR!"

    4. Fats of Fury   2 years ago

      I'd like to go back to when elections weren't rigged.

      The political parallels are obvious as the nation braces for a rerun of 2020's bitter election pitting the most narcissistic and cruel person I've seen in public life against a man whose main attribute is he's not the other guy. "President Joe Biden is 'old' and 'confused,' and former President Donald Trump is 'corrupt' and 'dishonest,'"
      Hey Fat what do you say you lying dog faced pony soldier? Yeah Biden's just old and confused meanwhile.
      Were back in a long term war shoveling billions down a shithole.
      Energy prices at an all time high thanks to Old and Confused Joe's energy policies.
      5 million + illegals running around supported by US tax payers
      Inflation up the yazoo
      30 trillion dollar debt.
      I'll take cruel and narcissistic over Biden's shit. If Trump wins I hope he bring a machine gun with him.

      1. freedomwriter   2 years ago

        Which time is that exactly when elections weren't rigged? lol

        1. ErinS   2 years ago

          How is that 'LOL'? Fatalism is not a productive world view.

      2. Ezra MacVie   2 years ago

        Elections have ALWAYS been rigged. By BOTH sides.

        1. ErinS   2 years ago

          Not to the level they were last election cycle. The city of Minneapolis was sending out ballots, I wish I had a screen shot, that said:
          -Can you vote in person? check no
          -Do you have an ID? check no
          -Are you legally allowed to vote? check yes
          Done. Imagine all the voters in group homes and nursing homes suddenly enfranchised by one leader filling out hundreds of ballots.
          There is no way that in US history the candidate with the most votes is Joe Biden, by 8M. Hmm.

        2. Johnathan Galt   2 years ago

          They have always cheated when they could get away with it, especially Demunists (i.e. Chicago).

          It generally was little enough that it could only make a difference in a very tight race. 2020 changed that.

      3. Johnathan Galt   2 years ago

        It is possible, were Congress to actually treat Article IV Section 4 (the Constitutions ONLY guarantee) seriously. Make it a felony (ANY citizen has standing to file) for any person in Congress to ACCEPT any State election result for which that State cannot and/or will not provide proof positive they did not cheat. Hint: Mail in ballots in sufficient number to change the outcome, whether they did or not, would invalidate that election result.

        It would also solve the problem of government employees refusing to enforce our laws by giving them a channel to arrest, try, and convict them - and as part of the sentencing, make them ineligible for any future government jobs.

        As almost always, our answer already lies within our Constitution.

        1. Elmer Fudd the CHUD 2: Steampunk Boogaloo   2 years ago

          Even better, make the practice of Marxism a capital offense.

  6. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

    "Perusing X, formerly known as Twitter"

    I don't think we have to say this any more.

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      It’s a refusal to use the new name they find distasteful.

      1. A Thinking Mind   2 years ago

        To be fair, it's a shitty name. X is very poor branding because it's just a letter, and very commonplace. You can't trademark one of the 26 letters of the alphabet. And if you're talking aloud, it's very poor for clarity.

        -"So I was on X last night..." Were you talking to people on social media, or were you doing illicit substances?

        -"Follow my X." Are you asking for social media followers, or for someone to stalk your ex-boyfriend?

        -"I was reading this X post." Is it a former post that no longer exists, or is it a post on social media platform X?

        Far be it for me to say what Elon can and can't do with his money but this branding is really shitty. What do you call a post on X? It's just a post. Whereas with Twitter, you could say "I captured this tweet," and that tells you both what the thing and immediately aligns with the platform. It has a clarity to it.

        1. Ajsloss   2 years ago

          Mastodon is where all the cool kids hang out.

          1. A Cynical Asshole   2 years ago

            I thought it was Threads? Dangit, I'll never be one of the cool kids! *kicks rock*

            1. Johnathan Galt   2 years ago

              Netscape is coming back any day now, powered by Lotus Notes!

              1. public-name   2 years ago

                Lotus Notes... lol.

        2. mad.casual   2 years ago (edited)

          As someone who always has and still does consider Twitter to be the “Public Men’s Room wall” of the internet, I half took this to be the point.

          “X” is really only a problem for people who are socially inept, yet technologically illiterate, yet terminally online. Like people unironically confused about “texting a photo”.

    2. Zeb   2 years ago

      As far as I can tell, it's still known as Twitter.

  7. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

    Better TV show reference: South Park, with a variation on Used Depends vs. Turd Sandwich, after both have been left in a hot car for a week.

    1. Medulla Oblongata   2 years ago

      I pictured this with Trump as the Giant Douche and Clinton or Biden as the Shit Sandwich. Where there's nothing ever good about a Shit Sandwich, but at least the Giant Douche, at the end of the day, *might* be useful for washing out a swampy crack.

  8. Z Crazy   2 years ago

    What makes you think Brandon will get the Dem nomination?

    1. Fats of Fury   2 years ago

      The fix is in.
      They rigged the 2020 primary for Biden
      They rigged the 2020 election for Biden
      They rigged the 2022 midterms for dems.
      They already have rules in place to make sure Biden wins the 2024 primaries

      1. Z Crazy   2 years ago

        And they'll rig the primaries to keep Brandon out.

  9. MarcL   2 years ago

    Reason is a libertarian publication even if the author isn't. How can you talk fondly about Romney who is pro-war and pro government takeover of healthcare?
    As a person who was a teenager during Reagan I am DONE with the neocons!
    Is Trump's personality my favorite, nope, but Rand/Ron Paul couldn't get traction. If you can get past Trump's personality his policies, excluding trusting the "science" were about as good as it gets.

    1. SRG2   2 years ago

      Remind us what Trump's 2020 platform was. Oh right, there wasn't one.

      1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

        Probably part of his appeal.

      2. Sevo   2 years ago

        "Remind us what Trump’s 2020 platform was. Oh right, there wasn’t one."
        Poor obnoxiously arrogant asshole is upset because of a lack of a platform, ignoring what Trump did.
        Fuck off and die, TDS-addled shit.

      3. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

        You talk like it's a bad thing.

        Also, I can't remember. Did Joe write "fight a proxy war with Russia" in his?

      4. Outlaw Josey Wales   2 years ago

        Drain the swamp and build a wall were okay starts

        1. Medulla Oblongata   2 years ago

          Wouldn't care if he sat in the Oval Office all day coloring with crayons if he gets a chance to fill some more federal court seats, including SCOTUS, with Constitutionalists.

          1. Commenter_XY   2 years ago

            That is where I am. POTUS Trump, with an enormous assist from Senator McConnell, appointed 1/3rd of the Circuit court judges, AND 1/3rd of SCOTUS. Along the way, he appointed 20% of the federal district court judges. That impact will be felt for a generation.

      5. BYODB   2 years ago

        Not so sure what value a platform has when they get thrown out the window as soon as they get elected.

        Or the cases of the platform promising you that they're going to bend you over a barrel.

        So, in short, please elaborate because personally I recall several promises Trump made that he at least tried to meet even if they were stupid promises such as 'build the wall'.

      6. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        Libertarians for Activist Platforms!

      7. Elmer Fudd the CHUD 2: Steampunk Boogaloo   2 years ago

        It was a continuation of his first term plans for the most part. So stuff your lying faggot bullshit.

        M’kay?

    2. BrianL.   2 years ago

      From the article: " I disagree with Romney on many things, but I'd be thrilled to be back where losing candidates didn't try to overturn the election or incite mobs to attack the Capitol..."

      How is this talking fondly about Romney?

      1. A Thinking Mind   2 years ago

        The left likes Republican candidates that didn't win. They hated McCain up until he lost the election, and then rewrote history and pretended they always respected him after that. Same with Romney, who lost pretty handily. He was going to bring back the KKK and put Neo Nazis in charge of the FBI up until he lost, then they pretended they never said those things.

        But George W? He won. He won twice, and they'll never forgive him. Reagan? He was a literal demon who conspired to spread AIDS in order to kill more gay people. Also they'll tell you he was suffering from severe dementia despite even on his worst days he was always more coherent than Biden. And Nixon? Well of course he tried to destroy the entire foundation of democracy.

        But what about Barry Goldwater? He was such a threat, psychologists were writing in to publications to claim he suffered from narcissistic personality disorder or Bipolar disorder or even Anti-social personality disorder. He was a literal psychopath. But after he lost, people on the left pretended they always respected him for being "principled." Gerald Ford? He was corrupt for pardoning Nixon, covering up for the broken establishment. That same pardon was later applauded as an act of bravery and unity that saved the country, but only after Ford lost re-election.

        Democrats love Republicans who lose. The Republicans who win are the most evil people to ever exist at any time in history.

        1. damikesc   2 years ago

          Actually they LOVED McCain right until he ran against Obama because he would bitch about conservatives. He then became evil until he lost and became amazing again or some such idiocy.

          1. Kungpowderfinger   2 years ago

            The democrats love affair with McCain began with his membership in the Keating Five.

            The best corruption schemes are always bipartisan.

            Trump in the White House has both sides at each others’ throats. Why a “libertarian” publication has a problem with that, to the point of making up bullshit like “a Trump victory could mean the end of our democratic system”, is beyond me.

        2. Elmer Fudd the CHUD 2: Steampunk Boogaloo   2 years ago

          Democrats barely tolerate ‘aw shucks, that not fair’ milquetoast republicans like Romney, that are more concerned with being ‘dignified’ than beating the shit out of democrats. I want someone who will crush them,and ideally best them down so hard that every Marxist piece of shit slithering around this country is afraid to crawl out from under their rocks.

          If democrats aren’t living in fear then we’re doing it wrong.

      2. mad.casual   2 years ago

        How is this talking fondly about Romney?

        Do you not know what the word "thrilled" means?

    3. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

      but Rand/Ron Paul

      Well, Reason's soft on Rand Paul because he said masks didn't work. That's going too far!

      1. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

        And he's a threat to Ukrainian style democracy.
        https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/watch-rand-paul-blasts-corrupt-zelensky-begging-more-money

        Paul also noted that Zelensky has cancelled Democracy in the country.
        “They’ve cancelled the elections. What kind of democracy has no election?” he noted, adding “next year, Zelensky said he’s not going to have an election because it would be inconvenient during the war and would be expensive.”
        He continued, “if you don’t have elections, who in the world will be supporting a country that’s not a democracy? They’ve banned the political parties, they’ve invaded churches, they’ve arrested priests. So, no, it isn’t a democracy. It’s a corrupt regime.”

        1. A Cynical Asshole   2 years ago

          “They’ve cancelled the elections. What kind of democracy has no election?”

          Democrats: "Wait, you can do that? And all you need is a large enough 'crisis' to invoke?" *Furiously scribbling notes*

        2. Slickrick   2 years ago

          Are we supporting Ukraine because they are a democracy or because they were invaded by Russia? We supported the USSR in WW2 and they certainly weren't a democracy. Why did we do that? I think the rational is the same as helping Ukraine today.

      2. BYODB   2 years ago

        I still stand with Rand.

        He may not be perfect, but he's as good as we can expect these days.

        Hence, he will never win.

        1. Elmer Fudd the CHUD 2: Steampunk Boogaloo   2 years ago

          I don’t think he has the endurance for what the democrats and RINO’s would put him through if he ever became president and tried to actually do anything substantive. To Trump’s credit, he hasn’t back down to what is a completely unprecedented onslaught from the left.

  10. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

    The worst kind of Groundhog Day.

    Are you kidding me? This is going to be absolutely HILARIOUS and I'm tired of pretending otherwise.

    1. A Cynical Asshole   2 years ago

      This is going to be absolutely HILARIOUS and I’m tired of pretending otherwise.

      "I do [think that's funny], and I'm tired of pretending it's not."

    2. mad.casual   2 years ago (edited)

      The fact that Greenhut is seemingly pretending otherwise makes it even more funny.

      What did you think was going to happen when you voted for the “You’d need an F-15 to fight us.” administration?

      Edit: And Groundhog Day as a religious movie? How old are you? It's a love movie with religious spiritual connotations.

      1. BYODB   2 years ago

        It's perhaps the most philosophical comedy ever made, but I certainly wouldn't call it religious. Religion goes unmentioned outside of Murray wondering if he is a god. Not THE god, but A god.

        1. mad.casual   2 years ago

          I would definitely agree with "The Most Widely Popular Philosophical RomCom ever made."

  11. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

    Well sadly grandpa Joe is just too damn old. But that Trump guy? Don't get me started. Mean, evil, dishonest, corrupt. Barely scratches the surface. I mean there's a dude in Arizona or someplace suffering from PTS because of this tyrant.

  12. MatthewSlyfield   2 years ago

    "President Joe Biden is 'old' and 'confused,' and former President Donald Trump is 'corrupt' and 'dishonest,'"

    Donald Trump is corrupt and dishonest.
    Joe Biden is old, confused, corrupt, and dishonest.

    FTFY.

    1. A Thinking Mind   2 years ago

      Well Trump is certainly old as well. And occasionally he says things that are quite confused also.

      So Donald Trump is old, corrupt, dishonest, and confused.
      Joe Biden is confused, old, corrupt, and dishonest.

      Take your picks!

      1. Medulla Oblongata   2 years ago

        Giant Douche over Shit Sandwich every day.

  13. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

    Meanwhile libertarianishism still rears it's head occasionally.
    https://twitter.com/VigilantFox/status/1704884943984251286?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1704884943984251286%7Ctwgr%5E6a9a5d36e295bdf540336f50cd004f39227beca2%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.zerohedge.com%2Fpolitical%2Fgo-hell-brave-eu-politician-delivers-damning-message-global-tyrants

    1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

      Wow. With an attitude like that, how'd she get into the EU parliament in the first place? Most of them are globalist sell-outs.

    2. Zeb   2 years ago

      She's great. I've seen a number of good speeches like that from her.

  14. rbike   2 years ago

    Wednesday night around 7 my wife tells me Trump is at a local restaurant just down the bike path. Literally kissing babies. I put on my Vivek tshirt and rode a mile and a half to see if he was still there. Nope, missed him by an hour. Thought it would be entertaining.

    1. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

      Should have kept the Vivek shirt in it's original packaging. It would probably double in value in about 30 years.

  15. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

    The political parallels are obvious as the nation braces for a rerun of 2020's bitter election pitting the most narcissistic and cruel person I've seen in public life against a man whose main attribute is he's not the other guy.

    I assume you're referring to Biden and Trump in that order.

  16. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

    .but I’d be thrilled to be back where losing candidates didn’t try to overturn the election or incite mobs to attack the Capitol…

    good grief, you're just embarrassing yourself at this point.

    1. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

      Greenhut longs for the days before Hilary I guess.

    2. One-Punch_Man   2 years ago

      It;s ok to ballot harvest, kick observers out, change the rules on the fly, and magically find trunk votes at 2 a.m.

      That is all ok because my guy one?

      Reason can we bring back Drew. The jokes aren't funny in these columns

    3. Medulla Oblongata   2 years ago

      Democrats 2016 insurrection was just smaller "1:40 PM: The states were counted, but three protestors started yelling from the visitors’ gallery of the chamber. At least one of them was reciting the Constitution as he was taken away by security."

      1:09 P.M. ET: Rep. Jim McGovern of Massachusetts rose to object to the certificate from Alabama.
      “The electors were not lawfully certified, especially given the confirmed and illegal activities engaged by the government of Russia,” McGovern said.

      Biden denied McGovern on the grounds that he didn’t have a senator’s signature on his written objection.

      1:14 P.M.: Rep. Jamie Raskin of Maryland rose to object to 10 of Florida’s 29 electoral votes.

      “They violated Florida’s prohibition against dual office holders,” Raskin said.

      Again, despite the fact that Raskin pointed out that he had his objection in writing, he failed to get a senator’s signature.

      1:15 P.M.: No sooner had the Florida question been settled than its neighbor to the north was the subject of another objection, when Washington’s Rep. Pramila Jayapal objected to Georgia’s vote certificate.

      “It is over,” Biden told the congresswoman.

      1:21 P.M.: Rep. Barbara Lee of California brought up voting machines and Russian hacking when she objected following the counting of Michigan’s votes.

      “People are horrified by the overwhelming evidence of Russian interference in our election,” Lee said.

      Once again, her objection was denied for the lack of a senator’s signature. They also turned off her microphone.

      1:23 P.M.: After New York’s tally was read, Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee of Texas stood up to object.

      “I object on the massive voter suppression that included –” Jackson Lee began.

      “The debate is not in order,” Biden interrupted. Again, the congresswoman lacked a senator’s signature.

      1:28 P.M.: Arizona’s Rep. Raul Grijalva rose to object after North Carolina’s tally. He tried to object on violations of the Voting Rights Act, but Biden shut him down.

      As you may have guessed, he didn’t have the signature of a senator.

      Once he gave up, Jackson Lee tagged him out and tried to object to the votes herself. They cut off her microphone, too.

      “There is no debate. There is no debate. There is no debate,” a visibly agitated Biden said as he gaveled.

      1:31 PM: Jackson Lee made another appearance minutes later after South Carolina’s certification.

      “There is no debate in the joint session,” Biden said, shutting her down once more.

      1:36 PM: Biden must have thought, after five minutes of peace and getting through the state of West Virginia, that the House members might observe the rules. Lee wasn’t even able to make it through her objection before Biden said, “There is no debate.”

      They cut off her microphone again.

      1:37 PM: Wisconsin’s votes had been read. With just Wyoming to go, the finish line was in reach.

      Jackson Lee once again tried to make an objection on the grounds of Russian interference in the election.

      “The objection cannot be received,” Biden said.

      1:38 PM: The final state’s votes had been read. Then entered California Rep. Maxine Waters.

      Taking a play from her own book – she objected to the certification of George W. Bush’s 2000 election – Waters admitted that she didn’t have a senator’s signature on her objection.

      “I wish to ask: Is there one United States senator who will join me in this letter of objection?” Waters asked. Through House Speaker Paul Ryan’s chuckle and boos from the rest of the chamber, it was clear that there was not.

      1:40 PM: The states were counted, but three protestors started yelling from the visitors’ gallery of the chamber. At least one of them was reciting the Constitution as he was taken away by security.

      Biden did not look thrilled.

      But at the end of the day, despite the objections, Trump’s election was certified by Congress.

  17. justme   2 years ago

    romney: "my wing of the party talks about policy and about issues that will make a difference in the lives of the American people"

    romney's "wing of the party" is the democrat party. this guy is nothing more than a tool for the democrat party, just like mccain was. good to see him go and don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

    1. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

      “my wing of the party talks about policy and about issues that will make a difference in the lives of the American people”
      They do indeed make a difference. And we're all worse off thanks to his wing of the party.

  18. A Thinking Mind   2 years ago

    most narcissistic and cruel person I've seen in public life

    But Hillary isn't even running this time.

    Seriously, Trump is "cruel?" He just says nasty things about people he disagrees with. I think it's more cruel to execute American citizens with a drone without a trial. I think it's more cruel to use the DOJ to attack political enemies and provide excessive sentences you dislike their politics. I think it's cruel for a politician to accuse Nicholas Sandmann of being a hateful bigot because he was getting taunted by trolls and then a Native American grifter smashed a tambourine in his face.

    And how are you defining "public life?" If you're not limiting to public office, how about some loser that killed 17 people in a Parkland high school shooting? Or some other loser that drove over 70 people at a parade and killed 6 of them? Those are certainly public figures. What about a guy that, in response to getting mad at the US government killing children, blew up a building that had a daycare in it and killed children? That was pretty cruel. But then, let's not forget about the public officials in the Waco siege itself, that was also pretty damn cruel. Do they count as public figures?

    1. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

      But Hillary isn’t even running this time.
      Remember her joyful cackle when she found out a man got a bayonet shoved up his ass?

      1. d.b   2 years ago

        link please - about the bayonet

        1. Paulpemb   2 years ago

          Pretty sure he's referring to Khadaffy ("We came, we saw, he died! *insert Hillary cackle here*")

    2. Fats of Fury   2 years ago (edited)

      He just says nasty things about people he disagrees with who say nasty things about him and then they cry and say he’s thin skinned.

      1. BYODB   2 years ago

        Pretty sure I remember him insinuating that Ted Cruz's father helped assassinate JFK, so lets not get ahead of ourselves and pretend Trump is just clapping back.

      2. Commenter_XY   2 years ago

        That is my perception as well.

        POTUS Trump is transactional (as opposed to intersectional, like Crooked Joe and Kooky Kamala): say polite things about him, he will reciprocate; if you diss him, he will go overboard to diss you. He counterpunches very, very hard. Why do I say this? POTUS Trump was a NYC real estate developer. It is not hard to figure that part out.

    3. markm23   2 years ago

      Narcissistic? Isn't that the guy who compared the fire that destroyed thousands of homes and at least 97 people in Lahaina to a small fire in his kitchen?

      Cruel? Isn't that the guy who helped write our current drug laws? And the law that could send his son to prison for 25 years because he lied on a federal form to buy a gun?

  19. Dillinger   2 years ago

    >>Regarding Biden, even most Democrats believe he is too old.

    this is the one thing you have to say about Brandon, Inc.?

    1. Dillinger   2 years ago

      >>Democrats aren't wrong to suspect a Trump victory could mean the end of our democratic system.

      I was going to call the piece a clown show on the "too old" thing but then I saw this.

      1. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

        "end of democracy" is when the people elect a republican it seems.

        1. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

          People voting is the biggest threat to democracy.

          1. BYODB   2 years ago

            ^

            This is what Democrats actually believe.

            1. TrickyVic (old school)   2 years ago (edited)

              Well, they had no problem when state and local executives shut down cities without legislature approval. They don’t even understand how that would be anti-democratic.

  20. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

    Perusing X, formerly known as Twitter, I saw GOP friends say they never want the party to go back to where it was 11 years ago when Romney was the nominee. I disagree with Romney on many things, but I'd be thrilled to be back where losing candidates didn't try to overturn the election or incite mobs to attack the Capitol, or face 91 mostly serious criminal charges or have dinner with

    It would be nice to go back to a time where the President wasn't personally neck-deep in Ukraine with a string of bribery and financial crimes who's pushing WWIII because the DNC were hell-bent on overturning the 2016 election and created a widely reported conspiracy theory about Russian influence into the election.

    I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

    1. ErinS   2 years ago

      Exactly!

  21. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago (edited)

    Trump still promotes his denial of election results, so Democrats aren’t wrong to suspect a Trump victory could mean the end of our democratic system.

    You’re fucking kidding me… you’re kidding me, right? This is a joke article… like “You won’t own anything and you’ll be happy.” Just a troll article… you don’t actually mean what you write, you’re just asking questions. It’s just one possible vision of the future among thousands of possible branches. This article is just exploring one possible result 100 moves down the line of a particular chess-move, right? Right?

    “Democrats aren’t wrong about THE END OF DEMOCRACY!”

    You picked out the most fucking retarded part of the shit the DNC spews out and decide THAT’S the one thing “they’re not wrong about”? What the shit is happening to this magazine?

    Edit: If the Democrats "aren't wrong" about the END OF DEMOCRACY if Trump wins, are we right about the end of our Republic if we indict and convict the opposition candidate on false, trumped up charges?

    1. One-Punch_Man   2 years ago

      Remember in 2015, if Trump wins he's going to lock all women up like in the Handsmaid tale. Blacks will be slaves. No more snow.

      If he gets elected this time, he will really do all those things \sarc

    2. NOYB2   2 years ago

      You picked out the most fucking retarded part of the shit the DNC spews out and decide THAT’S the one thing “they’re not wrong about”? What the shit is happening to this magazine?

      Greenhut and the Democrats mean that Republicans oppose "democracy" in Mao's sense:

      [We] may now adopt a system of people's congresses, from the national people's congress down to the provincial, county, district and township people's congresses, with all levels electing their respective governmental bodies. But if there is to be a proper representation for each revolutionary class according to its status in the state, a proper expression of the people's will, a proper direction for revolutionary struggles and a proper manifestation of the spirit of New Democracy, then a system of really universal and equal suffrage, irrespective of sex, creed, property or education, must be introduced. Such is the system of democratic centralism. Only a government based on democratic centralism can fully express the will of all the revolutionary people and fight the enemies of the revolution most effectively. There must be a spirit of refusal to be "privately owned by the few" in the government and the army; without a genuinely democratic system this cannot be attained and the system of government and the state system will be out of harmony.

  22. A Cynical Asshole   2 years ago

    I'd be thrilled to be back where losing candidates didn't try to overturn the election or incite mobs to attack the Capitol, or face 91 mostly serious criminal charges or have dinner with...

    Have dinner with who? His son's skeavy business partners in exchange fro 10%? I thought you were blathering on about Trump, not The Big Guy.

    1. markm23   2 years ago

      So you DON'T want to be back to 2016, or 2000?

  23. A Cynical Asshole   2 years ago

    "Gates, who, along with his family, has been the target of threats and attacks during his tenure from those trumpeting false election claims, previously said that he suffers from PTSD," Politico reported.

    Bullshit. He had a few blowhards make empty threats, it's not like he survived an IED in Fallujah or some shit. Fucker's just trying to get sympathy.

  24. A Cynical Asshole   2 years ago

    I covered her as California attorney general

    Is that a euphemism?

  25. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

    Regarding Biden, even most Democrats believe he is too old. Vice President Kamala Harris clearly isn't up to replace him. I covered her as California attorney general, and she seemed remarkably unprincipled and remains unable to articulate her views in a coherent manner. One need not be a Republican to realize inflation is soaring – driven by the administration's federal spending initiatives. Biden and Harris promote the type of outmoded union policies that have destroyed jobs and opportunities in California.

    Energized by its base, Republicans are sure Democrats want to turn America into a socialist hellhole.

    Sure, Greenhut, it's just Republicans who are sure Democrats want to turn America into a socialist hellhole. This is just partisan bickering. Let's just agree to disagree, meanwhile, let's go with socialism.

    1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

      Democrats make eyes with socialism... Republicans pounce.

  26. CindyF   2 years ago

    "...Republicans are sure Democrats want to turn America into a socialist hellhole. "

    And the evidence supports that allegation.

    1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

      I don't need to ask Republicans if Democrats want to turn America into a socialist hellhole, I just need to ask the Democrats.

    2. Medulla Oblongata   2 years ago

      No direct evidence, though.

  27. Inquisitive Squirrel   2 years ago

    As much as I hate both choices, I think I hate the hyperbole surrounding them from news and opinion media even more.

  28. One-Punch_Man   2 years ago

    The good thing is this debate will be over at 9:00 a.m. since Biden doesn't work past that.

    Earliest debate ever

    I'm think they will pull a Fetterman and not debate till voting starts

    1. Medulla Oblongata   2 years ago

      I swear, if Trump could have kept his trap shut for 10 minutes Biden would have hung himself on the debate stage last time. But NO!!! Trump couldn't keep from bloviating for even 10 seconds...every time Biden was about to say something so incredibly stupid, Trump would interrupt him.

  29. One-Punch_Man   2 years ago

    Wait - Trump is a liar and corrupt; Biden is just inflation?

    How about they are both liars and corrupt. Yes, the riots of January 6th. How much damage was done compared to the 'peaceful' black lives protests?

    Steven is mad about 1/6 but it's ok to have law free zones in cities.

  30. JFree   2 years ago (edited)

    Are We Really Doing a Trump vs. Biden Rematch?

    Yes we are. It’s the huge political success of the boomer generation. Even if that comes at a high cost to everyone else. They took over both parties. Ensured that those parties would never put anything on an agenda that doesn’t fit what boomers want to talk/argue about. And as long as boomers have effective control of the voter turnout population, they (we I guess – I’m a late boomer) will spend eternity watching political reality TV – elections by of and for boomers about boomer issues resurrecting culture war issues from the 1960’s. Even the symbolic ‘experiment’ of a younger (non-Vietnam era) boomer (Obama) didn’t result in anything but – nope, what we need now is OLDER candidates.

    They have even effectively controlled ‘civic education’ so that the only thing that is taught to the younger generation is ‘how to join a street protest parade’ instead of ‘how to organize and run a political party’ or ‘how to be a citizen in the Aristotelian sense’.

    There’s a point where boomers themselves have to – you know – die. But they are still the majority of Congress and the controlling plurality of voters. And I really don’t see how the existing parties will make their generational shift beyond simply replicating younger boomers. GenX was always too small to be anything but a transition.

    Millennials (eg Justin Amash, Tulsi Gabbard, AOC) are effectively being screened/expelled/sidelined if they have any independent thoughts. The DeRp congressional ‘leadership’ from that generation are complete tools/nobodies/puppets – Stefanik (R), Neguse (D), Underwood (D), Jacobs (D), Crockett (D).

    We are a gerontocracy with no way forward within DeRp. And no interest/skills in X/millenials/Z to do anything outside DeRp since the only thing they do is register as independent

  31. NOYB2   2 years ago

    Yet here we go again. Whatever Americans tell pollsters, we're locked in a partisan grudge match that shows signs of escalating rather than abating.

    Yeah, we should all be bundled together like a bunch of sticks in order to be stronger, right, Greenhut? We might call this by its Italian name: "fascism". /sarc

    Trump still promotes his denial of election results, so Democrats aren't wrong to suspect a Trump victory could mean the end of our democratic system.

    The "end to 'our' 'democratic' system" is the vote harvesting, violations of state law, and Mao-style view of democracy held by Democrats and, apparently, Greenhut. That is, actual liberal democracy ended in the US decades ago.

    I, for one, am glad that half of US voters still stand up to collectivists and fascists, as well as their useful idiots like you, Greenhut.

    Now, while Trump isn't my favorite candidate and while I think DeSantis might be a better choice, the reason people support Trump is because he is the only one who has been willing to put his livelihood on the line to fight the kind of collectivist crap that you apparently tacitly approve.

    1. Ersatz   2 years ago

      hear hear!

  32. NOYB2   2 years ago

    Energized by its base, Republicans are sure Democrats want to turn America into a socialist hellhole.

    Gosh, maybe that's because the Democrats themselves say so? Explicitly, even?

    Does the gaslighting never stop with you?

  33. Anastasia Beaverhausen   2 years ago

    Please, Reason, stop running this guy's articles. This is ostensibly a *libertarian* publication and not only does he not mention the Libertarian Party, he doesn't even bother to point out that there will be other candidates on the ballot.

    1. d.b   2 years ago

      Since the Mises Caucus/Republican takeover, the Libertarian Party is no longer worth mentioning, but the philosophy of libertarianism is.
      BTW: I don't think much of that article or writer either.

      1. NOYB2   2 years ago

        Since the Mises Caucus/Republican takeover, the Libertarian Party is no longer worth mentioning, but the philosophy of libertarianism is.

        The LP was useless before the Mises Caucus takeover, and it is still useless today.

        Most people who identify "libertarian" are just leftist/progressives.

    2. CE   2 years ago

      Yeah, no one is forced to vote for Trump or Biden. No one has "the lead" until voting starts. The LP really needs a viable candidate this time around.

  34. Paulpemb   2 years ago

    Mr. Greenhut, what you’ve just written is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever read. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

  35. d.b   2 years ago

    I'm anti-war. I vote peace. That's why I've voted Libertarian for four decades.
    I don't care that Biden is old, and I only care a little that he's senile. I care more that he's a warmonger, with his fingerprints on 14 wars.
    I didn't vote for Trump either time, but I do know that he's the only president to not hand the Military Industrial Complex a single new war since Jimmy Carter, and he paid the same price.
    I'd call Biden "corrupt and Dishonest" long before I'd say that about Trump. That may be gratitude for the Doha treaty or it may be for the First Step Act, but I sure have NOTHING to be grateful to Biden about.

    1. CE   2 years ago

      Bingo.

  36. Palatki   2 years ago

    i thought it was a very even-handed article. After all, Greenhut did say that Kamala talks funny and Joe is too old, harsh criticism when contrasted with the milquetoast assertion that "a Trump victory could mean the end of our democratic system". Greenhut clearly hasn't chosen sides.

  37. Moderation4ever   2 years ago

    Trump is not only corrupt but he is corrupt and old. He essentially the same age as Biden. He is as likely to drop over dead as is Biden. Trump is also crazy. He really has little idea about what is even happening. Talking about his indictments with no real idea of what the cases are about. Talking about beating Obama and Biden starting WWII. They are both too old but we are likely to have to chose between them. This is a real statement about our political system that we can not come up with better choices.

    1. CE   2 years ago

      Trump is as coherent as he was 5 years ago. Biden isn't even close.

      1. Moderation4ever   2 years ago

        LOL, Trump was out five years ago. You think because people splice together Biden’s gaffs, it would be even easier to splice a tape of Trump gaffs.

    2. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

      Trump is also crazy.

      Citation required.

      1. Moderation4ever   2 years ago

        Recent comments that he beat President Obama, that Biden will start WWII, past comments that Fredrick Douglas was still alive. I could go on for a long time.

        1. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

          Obama said he had campaigned in all 57 states. Is he crazy?

  38. CE   2 years ago

    It appears so, as long as Biden (or a body double) can remain standing until then, read a teleprompter, and release a pre-recorded 20-minute campaign video once a week. Should be good for 80 million votes or so, if memory serves.

    I doubt there's a debate again though -- Biden's Alzheimer's drugs aren't that strong.

  39. Liberty Yeti   2 years ago

    Disclaimer: I've voted LP for president since 2000, with the exceptions of 2008 (Bob Barr; I wrote in a protest vote) and 2020 (because JoJo inexplicably went all-in on antiracist grifters and open borders, and we've already seen over the last 2-3 years how that plays out under Xiden).

    The media rigged the information around the election (they admitted it in Time magazine), and then the vote count was stopped at 3 AM when Trump was winning, and the poll watchers were kicked out, and then - magically - hundreds of thousands of "votes" pushed the dessicated corpse of Uncle Joe over the top, all in deep blue cities in swing states. "There's no proof" because the media and government collude to suppress anything approaching proof. There is a mountain of circumstantial evidence that the 2020 (and 2022) election was a fraud: the hockey stick vote count jump, how I was getting mail-in ballot requests for previous residents of my home, questions about NH voting machines - see Windham NH -- that one was figured out, but I am not aware of them reviewing any OTHER towns' votes) . NO thinking individual can look at what happened in 2020 and believe it's on the level. If you think the current US government is legitimate in any way, you're a complete moron and a traitor. We've always been a joke on the world stage but the 2020's are truly eye-popping. Frankly, we're not much better than Putin's Russia or Xi's China; we just do a lot more turd-polishing here, thanks to the corporate propagandist Pravda and people clinging to traditions and ideas that are currently being not just eroded, but annihilated.

    Not that Trump is much better, but since Joe & Co. are destroying the country at breakneck speed, I doubt the Donald could do any WORSE damage, and he might even limit some of it - if only by accident. I just don't see him as a "threat to democracy" when the "defenders of democracy" say that different opinions must be censored and maybe we just shouldn't vote at all if we're going to choose the wrong people. You know, to "save democracy." Funny thing is, I could make the same argument about them. Let's save democracy not by throwing out a bunch of MAGA doofuses, but rather by throwing out all of the globalists, communists, and statists. Nobody should be allowed to vote for them, as they are the ones TRULY undermining "muh democracy."

    As far as who I support in 2024, that depends who the LP puts up. For the declared major party candidates, I reject them all, on the following grounds:

    * Trump: Lockdown, thinks the crap vax works; also, he's a buffoon (I'm only sympathetic because of the mostly BS charges that are being applied wildly unevenly, and because I always kind of wanted another Grover Cleveland situation in my lifetime)
    * Xiden: Senile traitor
    * Williamson: Communist psycho who wants mandates back
    * DeSantis: Bushie. Crony auto law - unforced error. Fraud on pro-freedom (FL effectively has same Covid-camp law as NY)
    * Burgum - Mask mandate. In North Dakota, the fool.
    * Haley - Warmongering neocon who did vax passports for her events
    * Vivek - Phony who was saying exactly the opposite 1 year ago
    * Christie - Jerkwad buffoon just there to be obnoxious on behalf of the elites.
    * Judas Pence, who allowed the 2020 fraud to proceed
    * Asa Hutchinson - Trans-child-grooming globalist. I'm not sure who he thinks he is supposed to appeal to.
    * Token Tim Scott - For those who prefer their totalitarian globalism to have an affirmative action flavor
    * RFK Jr - Gun-grabbing climate zealot who wrote a book saying AIDS isn't real. Very disappointing. Same old globalism with fewer evil jab mandates. Yawn.
    * All non-LP, non-CP 3rd party candidates: Usually just a bunch of raging communists.

    1. NOYB2   2 years ago

      I see you still suffer from delusion that the correct voting strategy is to vote for whoever you like best. Sorry, that's just foolishness in a WTA system like the US has.

      1. Liberty Yeti   2 years ago

        And I see you still suffer from the delusion that voting for your favorite flavor of Uniparty boot will make any difference to the One World agenda to enslave everyone.

        Time to say no to mandates, no to globalists, no to totalitarianism, and no to all of it, in ALL of the flavors.

        I am not voting for DemLite Uniparty. RINOs have sold everyone down the river for decades. They can start winning, and doing the right thing for once, or they can piss right off.

        1. NOYB2   2 years ago

          And I see you still suffer from the delusion that voting for your favorite flavor of Uniparty boot will make any difference to the One World agenda to enslave everyone.

          In a correctly functioning WTA system, the two parties should be ideologically very close at every election, but they both move over time. As a voter, you only get to nudge things a little one way or another in general elections.

          I am not voting for DemLite

          Well, Dem or DemLite is the choice you have. That's because that represents the ideological center of the country. Depressing but true.

          Time to say no to mandates, no to globalists, no to totalitarianism, and no to all of it, in ALL of the flavors.

          You can say whatever you want to, it won't make a difference because that crap is what most Americans actually want. You're not going to fix that by voting, you're only going to fix it by actually changing people's minds. That's how we got here in the first place: nearly a century of left wing and progressive indoctrination. It is foolish to think that you can undo that by just casting a vote.

          1. Liberty Yeti   2 years ago

            Then humanity is doomed, and we should just cordially ask Putin to nuke us all and get it over with already.

            Some of it is indoctrination, a lot is just psychological exploitation. Human technology has evolved way faster than human lizard brains.

            It is pointless to vote uniparty. Disaster now or disaster in a few years. The first step is to refuse to play the game. The second is to convince others to reject the false illusion of choice as well.

            1. NOYB2   2 years ago (edited)

              Some of it is indoctrination, a lot is just psychological exploitation. Human technology has evolved way faster than human lizard brains.

              Do you think that the world was a paradise before the invention of propaganda? Of course not.

              In fact, propaganda was made possible through mass communications and broadcasting, where a small number of gatekeepers controlled the message. The Internet has destroyed that paradigm, that’s why global elites are in a panic. Liberty-minded people just need to take advantage of this. And it will take time to undo the damage done by a century of progressive propaganda.

              It is pointless to vote uniparty. Disaster now or disaster in a few years. The first step is to refuse to play the game. The second is to convince others to reject the false illusion of choice as well.

              The fact that the two parties in the US are ideologically close isn’t due to some nefarious force manipulating your lizard brain or some secret cabal planning it that way, it’s the way WTA voting systems work. If the US were predominantly libertarian, we’d still have what you call a “uniparty”.

              As far as our parties go, as long as we have WTA, we will always have a choice between two parties that are only incrementally different. It's a real choice and it's a good system. "Refusing to play the game" is utter foolishness and a prescription for moving the country in the wrong direction.

            2. NOYB2   2 years ago

              It is pointless to vote uniparty.

              I mean, seriously, how do you imagine elections for president should work? We get 10 parties with 10 candidates, from communist to libertarian to theocrat, and the candidate that gets 12% of the vote wins and represents the country? Don't you see how ridiculous your belief system is?

              1. Liberty Yeti   2 years ago

                Get bent, statist slaver.

                Time to reject your system, which sucks and has spent the last 100 years constructing a totalitarian police state masquerading as freedom. Screw you; WE ARE DONE WITH YOUR RIGGED GAME.

                1. NOYB2   2 years ago (edited)

                  Yeah take your own advice: get bent, statist slaver.

                  Time to expose people like you for what you are: self-righteous ignorant leftist fools pretending to be libertarians, while helping globalists and totalitarians and doing nothing to advance the cause of liberty.

  40. Liberty_Belle   2 years ago

    Do we even need a president at this point ?

    Can we try President-GPT and see if anyone can tell the difference ?

    1. NOYB2   2 years ago

      GPT just spits out whatever you train it to say. So who gets to train that? Google? Murdoch? Gates?

      I mean, right now, we have President Sockpuppet anyway, and you can be sure that his lazy speechwriters have already used ChatGPT.

  41. Oafish   2 years ago

    I don’t disagree with the horror of the current political climate but the poll cited by Mr Greenhut shows just how misinformed the American public really is. Mr Biden is above all corrupt and deceitful. Mr Trump is a cruel, narcissistic opportunist. That the people get this wrong shows just how poor the media really is.

  42. Ezra MacVie   2 years ago

    HORSESHOW theory of politics? See article.

  43. TJJ2000   2 years ago

    What a load of TDS BS.

    ...And Democrats ARE trying to turn America into a socialist hellhole. Anyone who doesn't believe that is blinder than a bat.

    It's EXACTLY why there's revolutionary sides forming.
    Demorats are/have-been launching a Nazi take over of the USA.

    OBEY the US Constitution is *ALL* the people should care about.
    Nazi "democracy" doesn't over-ride the Supreme Law of the Land.

  44. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

    There is a non-zero chance, actually a significant chance if you understand probabilities, that Trump will be the next president. All the shitlibs and jOuRnaLiSTs who pooped their pants daily from 2016 to 2020 need to prepare themselves for the possibility.

    1. William   2 years ago

      The problem is that not one of the many problems that made the 2020 election a model of electoral corruption and fraud has been fixed. Because of that and the desperation of democrats and RINOs to keep Trump out of office, we can reasonably expect even more fraud in the 2024 election.

      1. Bill Meyer   2 years ago

        THIS!

      2. NOYB2   2 years ago

        That's also a problem specific to Trump: he knew full well how broken our voting procedures are, yet he did nothing about it. Ditto for the Republican party, half of which pretends that everything is just fine.

      3. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

        I'm not putting a percentage number on the odds but when it comes down to 2 shitbags courting the dumb vote, the chances of either one winning are roughly 50/50. Even with regime shenanigans, it's not a long shot. It's moderately likely.

  45. Bill Meyer   2 years ago

    Not a huge fan of DJT excess, certainly contemptuous of Joke Biden. Still to criticize DJT for complaining about the election astounds me. So much hinky and the appearance of impropriety and the only response from the system is SHUT UP or find a way to fabricate a crime to charge you with for daring to question. Scary stuff. In Oregon we're all subject to the legalized fraud of vote by mail. Recently a motel owner came forward after a large number of foreign nationals, non-citizens stayed in town for a while to go to truck driving school. They all got OR drivers licenses to go to school, and every one of them was sent a ballot to vote in May's election at the motel. Nothing to see, move along folks?

  46. William   2 years ago

    Geeez, what an incredible garbage article.

  47. Thegreatone   2 years ago

    Yes it will be Trump vs Biden, no matter who gets the nominations. Any republican will be viewed as Trump, just as any democrat will be a Biden. Abortion has given the democrats a large new issue for the election. The republicans have done nothing to deserve a win, in fact they have helped destroy their only hope. Unless something big changes the democrats will win, probably without cheating this time.

    1. TJJ2000   2 years ago

      Humorously if/when Republicans get off their high horse the Pro-Life mob-movement will go back to being a Democrats cause as it was to begin with.

      The self-identifying Conservative/Moderate Democrat already has majority Pro-Life affiliation and the Liberal Democrat barely has a 60% lead of Pro-Choice.

      First chart.
      https://www.prri.org/spotlight/who-are-pro-choice-republicans-and-pro-life-democrats-and-how-do-they-differ-from-all-republicans-and-democrats/

      1. TJJ2000   2 years ago (edited)

        “for decades the pro-life effort was dominated by progressives allied with Democratic Party social welfare principles—demonstrating that the philosophical roots of the pro-life movement are based in a classically liberal idea of human rights and social justice”
        https://crisismagazine.com/opinion/insightful-new-history-pro-life-movement

        A Republican Supreme Court wrote Roe v Wade.

  48. ChairmanOfTheBored   2 years ago

    Of course this is what we're going to do... It's a Nash equilibrium.

    Biden can't beat anyone except Trump and Trump can't beat anyone except Biden. So naturally each side is going to chose the only candidate who can only win if the OTHER side chooses their worst candidate.

    OK, I made a hash of explaining that, but you all know what I'm saying...

    1. NOYB2   2 years ago

      That style of analysis would make sense if candidates were still selected by committees intent on winning. But they are not.

      We elect candidates in primaries. And the candidates that get elected are those that appeal most to each party base, and they (like many "libertarians") stupidly vote for the candidate that best represents them, rather than the candidate most likely to win in a general election.

      1. Liberty Yeti   2 years ago

        Voting to nominate a candidate who doesn't represent me isn't "winning." It's just losing by resigning up front.

        There are zero declared major partt candidates who are going to improve anything or stop the march of global totalitarianism. Not even Trump, Vivek, DeSantis, or RFK Jr although they're the only four whose rhetoric isn't *completely* laughable and contemptible. They're still full of BS, I only give them credit for being less blatatantly obvious about it (Trump speaking is obnoxious, but he's really just a more boorish Bill Clinton roleplaying as a populist).

        1. NOYB2   2 years ago

          I made a point about the Nash equilibrium and how it doesn't apply here because the people who select the candidates (primary voters) often don't select them based on the candidate winning the general election. That's the "winning" I was talking about.

          Your point is unrelated nonsense about your lack of understanding of how to vote rationally in general elections.

        2. NOYB2   2 years ago

          There are zero declared major partt candidates who are going to improve anything or stop the march of global totalitarianism.

          First of all, plenty of candidates are going to try to do something about the march of global totalitarianism. Some want to bomb foreign nations, others want to impose tariffs and limit immigration, etc.

          Second, how is voting for a candidate that is guaranteed not going to win going to get you what you want?

          Not even Trump, Vivek, DeSantis, or RFK Jr although they’re the only four whose rhetoric isn’t *completely* laughable and contemptible.

          So, there you have your answer: among the candidates that have a chance to win, you pick the candidate that is slightly less laughable and contemptible than the others.

          If you want bigger change, you're not going to do it by lazily casting a ballot every few years; you'll actually have to do hard work and change people's minds until we get better candidates. Because, make no mistake, the candidates we have represent what the American people actually want, depressing as that may be.

          1. Liberty Yeti   2 years ago

            How is voting for a candidate who isn't going to get me what I want, just because they "win," any form of victory? It gains NOTHING.

            The R's will use judicial squishes and fold like cheap suits, and the D's will use blatant lies, but the result is still things like qualified/soverign immunity and "penaltax." The US government as currently constituted is mostly unconstititional thanks to decades of judicial make-believe where they basically said that 2+2 = carrots.

            If most people want this crap then maybe I *should* be voting for an antidemocratic dictator who will fix their wagons.

            1. NOYB2   2 years ago (edited)

              How is voting for a candidate who isn’t going to get me what I want, just because they “win,” any form of victory? It gains NOTHING.

              Let’s say there are 1000 policies that are in play. Let’s say you are totally radical and only agree on 10 policies with candidate A and 20 policies with candidate B. Helping candidate B win means helping someone win who makes you 10 policies better off than candidate A. In addition, candidate B will shift the Overton window and set a new baseline, resulting in slow, gradual progress towards what you like. Is that clear enough?

              You are saying that unless you get most of the policies you want from a candidate, you’re not going to vote. That’s stupid and irrational. Fortunately, the vast majority of Americans aren’t as stupid and irrational as you.

            2. NOYB2   2 years ago

              If most people want this crap then maybe I *should* be voting for an antidemocratic dictator who will fix their wagons.

              You are an ignorant, entitled American who throws a temper tantrum because you don't get your way while living in one of the freest and wealthiest nation on the planet. You have no f*cking idea what living under a dictator is actually like.

              1. Liberty Yeti   2 years ago

                Fuck off Nazi scum.

                1. NOYB2   2 years ago

                  My parents were nearly killed by the Nazis before the socialist took over. You don't know what "Nazi scum" actually is. You don't know what totalitarianism is. You're an immature, ignorant, entitled American throwing temper tantrums and using words that you don't understand. You're a joke.

  49. Roberta   2 years ago

    Authoritarian Hungary??

    1. NOYB2   2 years ago

      Obviously, winning 54% of the vote (up from 49%) compared to 34% for the next largest party in a vote with 70% turnout means that Viktor Orban is a dictator! The ACLU, the SPLC, the Center for American Progress, and the DNC all agree. It. Is. Known. /sarc

      1. JasonT20   2 years ago

        https://www.journalofdemocracy.org/articles/how-viktor-orban-wins/

        1. NOYB2   2 years ago

          Let's summarize that:

          - Controlling the electoral system: Orban has made changes to the electoral system that make it more difficult for opposition parties to win. For example, he eliminated the runoff system and made it easier for new parties to be created, which splinters the opposition vote.
          - Controlling the media: Orban has also cracked down on the media, making it difficult for independent outlets to operate. He has also expanded state-owned media, which he uses to promote his own agenda.
          - Using social benefits: Orban has expanded social benefits for certain groups, such as seniors and families with children. This has made him popular with these groups, which are a key part of his base of support.
          - Discrediting the opposition: Orban often attacks the opposition, accusing them of being corrupt and unpatriotic. This helps to sow division among voters and make Orban seem like the only viable option.

          All of this are strategies widely used by Democrats in the US during the past few elections. Does that make Biden an "authoritarian"? Does it mean that the US is not a democracy anymore?

    2. TJJ2000   2 years ago

      Leftard news has successfully painted the De-Regulator as authoritarian. It's amazing how sheeple the people really are. Obviously objecting to the Authority of the government is authoritarian. /s

  50. python33   2 years ago

    I completely agree Steven, Donald Trump is old and confused, while Joe Biden is corrupt and dishonest.

  51. Ladyhawk   2 years ago

    "Trump still promotes his denial of election results, so Democrats aren't wrong to suspect a Trump victory could mean the end of our democratic system."

    This is not only a non-sequitur, it is stupid. And this guy writes for a mag called REASON??

    "We can't even agree on a basic set of facts—"
    That obviously includes this writer.

    Sheesh.

    1. NOYB2   2 years ago

      It is a sad reality of modern marketing that brand names often are used to compensate for the deficiency of the product they promote.

  52. IceTrey   2 years ago

    So Reason is a commie rag now?

  53. HungryBear   2 years ago

    This article must be a joke. No American adult should be exposed to such predictable drivel. Good luck!

  54. William   2 years ago

    Man, Reason has more than its share of fraudulent Lincoln-Project-like Gomers writing these articles.

  55. JasonT20   2 years ago (edited)

    The Former Guy continues to call media that doesn’t praise him “THE ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE”.

    How can the media cover Trump objectively? It is just not possible. Trump is the overwhelming leader of GOP polls because he is in the news every single day. Or rather, he is the news every single day. Maybe he is just that unhinged that he says or does something outrageous that gets coverage so often because he can’t help it. Or maybe it is by design that he does that because he wants the media focused on him in order to crowd out any coverage of other candidates.

    Regardless, it is voters that need to figure out how they are being manipulated by Trump and by the right-wing media sphere to get ratings.

    Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard.” – H.L. Mencken

    1. NOYB2   2 years ago

      The Former Guy continues to call media that doesn’t praise him “THE ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE”.

      The mainstream media have been captured by the progressive authoritarians, so Trump is correct.

      Trump is the overwhelming leader of GOP polls because he is in the news every single day. Or rather, he is the news every single day.

      Trump "is the news every day" because Democrats and the progressive media collude to make it so: they want Trump to be the nominee, because they think that he will be the easiest Republican candidate to destroy and beat.

      So, thanks: QED

  56. Uomo Del Ghiaccio   2 years ago

    Trump is a narcissistic self-serving bore and Biden is even worse. There are zero redeeming qualities for either of these charlatans and we are fools to entertain the possibility that either of them would have another term as president.

    1. NOYB2   2 years ago (edited)

      Trump is a narcissistic self-serving bore

      All presidents are narcissists; it’s a prerequisite for the job. Self-serving? I don't think so. Trump has sacrificed more for the presidency than any president in recent memory; he could have retired in luxury and comfort and never bothered with any of this crap. And Trump actually is quite entertaining for a politician; it’s probably one of the reasons he’s so popular. And between Biden and Trump, Trump delivered far better results.

      we are fools to entertain the possibility that either of them would have another term as president

      What do you mean by “we” and “entertain”? There are half a dozen GOP candidates. If Trump is selected by voters in primaries, it will be for three reasons: (1) they liked his first term, (2) they like to give the finger to the progressive bureaucracy that is persecuting him, and (3) they think he can win against Biden. Agree or disagree, those are all three good reasons.

      I think Trump’s main problem is that Democrats will not stop at anything to try and destroy his administration and anybody who works in it. DeSantis might be a better compromise. I like Scott, but I’m not sure he has what it takes to make it through the election. I find Haley and Christie unacceptable. And Pence really is an uninspiring bore, and he would lose the election because lots of Republicans would refuse to vote for him.

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