Trump's Understanding of Due Process Is Just As Farcical As His Definition of 'Alien Enemies'
A new ACLU lawsuit argues that the government still is not giving alleged gang members the "notice" required by a Supreme Court order.

Two weeks ago, the U.S. Supreme Court unanimously held that foreign nationals threatened with summary deportation as "alien enemies" have a due process right to challenge that designation through habeas corpus petitions. As the Court explained in Trump v. J.G.G., that meant alleged members of the Venezuelan gang Tren de Aragua "must receive notice" that "they are subject to removal" under the Alien Enemies Act (AEA) "within a reasonable time and in such a manner as will allow them to actually seek habeas relief in the proper venue before such removal occurs."
As the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) notes in a lawsuit it filed on Friday, the Trump administration maintains that it is obeying that order by giving AEA detainees 12 hours to indicate whether they plan to file habeas petitions, then another 24 hours to do so. If they fail to meet those extremely tight deadlines, they can be immediately shipped off to El Salvador, where the Salvadoran government has agreed to imprison them at its notorious Terrorism Confinement Center (CECOT).
That notion of due process, the ACLU argues, is plainly inconsistent with the Supreme Court's order, relevant case law, and historical practice. "The lack of adequate notice is all the more concerning," it says, because "designees are at grave risk of erroneous removal due to the government's dubious methods for identifying alleged [Tren de Aragua] members." Those methods include an "alien enemy validation guide" that relies on iffy evidence such as tattoos, clothing, social media posts, and "associating" with "known" Tren de Aragua members. The ACLU notes that relatives of some deportees sent to CECOT "maintain that they have no connection at all" to the gang.
The ACLU also reiterates its challenge to President Donald Trump's dubious interpretation of the AEA. In a March 15 proclamation, Trump invoked that 1798 law to describe Tren de Aragua members as "alien enemies," which counterintuitively implies that the gang is a "foreign nation or government" that has "perpetrated, attempted, or threatened" an "invasion or predatory incursion against the territory of the United States."
Even while affirming the due process rights of AEA detainees, the Supreme Court said they must file habeas petitions in Texas, where they are being held, rather than seek relief under the Administrative Procedure Act in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia. The justices therefore vacated a temporary restraining order (TRO) that James Boasberg, the chief judge of that court, issued on March 15 in response to the ACLU's original lawsuit. The ACLU nevertheless filed its new motion in D.C., which it argues is appropriate for two categories of AEA detainees.
More than 130 people deported before the Supreme Court's order "remain imprisoned at CECOT," the ACLU says. Those deportees are effectively still in U.S. custody, it argues, in light of the Trump administration's arrangement with El Salvador, which is being paid to imprison them at the U.S. government's behest. But since they are "being detained abroad and outside any judicial district," the ACLU says, the appropriate venue is the District of Columbia, where the relevant federal officials are located.
The ACLU is seeking an order requiring the government to "immediately request and take all reasonable steps to facilitate the return" of those deportees from "Respondents' jailer in El Salvador." It notes that the Supreme Court recently upheld such an order in a case involving an accused member of the MS-13 gang who was illegally sent to CECOT because of an "administrative error."
The ACLU is also seeking a preliminary injunction on behalf of suspected Tren de Aragua members who are in criminal custody within the United States. As of last month, the government said 32 people subject to AEA deportation fell into that category. Although the usual rule is that habeas corpus petitions must be filed against a detainee's "immediate custodian," the Supreme Court has said that rule does not apply when a detainee is challenging "his future confinement" in a different place.
That "more expansive definition of the 'custody' requirement," the Court noted in 1973, "made it possible for prisoners in custody under one sentence to attack a sentence which they had not yet begun to serve" and "enabled a petitioner held in one State to attack a detainer lodged against him by another State." In this case, the ACLU argues, that means AEA detainees in U.S. criminal custody can challenge their future confinement in El Salvador by appealing to a federal judge in D.C.
The ACLU is asking for an order that blocks the removal of those detainees and requires the government to "provide immediate, adequate notice of designation to each subclass member and class counsel." It says that would entail "a reasonable opportunity of no less than 30 days to challenge their designation, detention, and removal under the AEA."
That would be consistent with the government's practice during World War II, when people designated as "alien enemies" had that much time to challenge their detention and removal. The government also gave those individuals an opportunity to voluntarily leave the United States. Here, by contrast, the government has not only deported accused gang members, including people who insist they were erroneously identified as such, without notice or an opportunity to be heard; it has contracted with a foreign government to imprison them indefinitely without due process.
The ACLU notes that "detainees at CECOT are subject to torture—including regular beatings, waterboarding, and use of implements on fingers to force confessions—in addition to ill treatment, overcrowding, lack of access to counsel, lack of access to healthcare and food, and physical abuse by both prison personnel and gangs." It says they therefore "have been subjected to conditions that are much worse than those at [Immigration and Customs Enforcement] detention facilities in the United States"—worse, in fact, than the conditions for "prisoners serving criminal sentences in most places in the world."
According to the lawsuit, AEA detainees who want to avoid that fate still have no practical recourse, despite the Supreme Court's order upholding their right to due process. The government dodged a subsequent TRO in the Southern District of Texas by moving "a large group of Venezuelans" to the Northern District of Texas, the ACLU says. Then "a judge in that district denied a TRO as to the named petitioners and deferred decision on class certification" based on his understanding that the government would not seek to remove the proposed class members "without adequate notice."
The government's idea of "adequate notice" became clear when it "quickly distributed AEA notices to detainees and not long after began loading them onto vehicles," the lawsuit says. "The English-only form, not provided to any attorney, nowhere mentioned the right to contest the designation or removal, much less explained how detainees could do so. It also did not provide a timeline by which designees needed to seek habeas relief."
The government's reading of the AEA is just as farcical as its definition of due process. Prior to Trump's proclamation identifying alleged Tren de Aragua members as "alien enemies," that 227-year-old statute had been invoked just three times: during the War of 1812, World War I, and World War II. "The government seeks to invoke this limited wartime authority to execute removals wholly untethered to any actual or imminent war or to the specific conditions Congress placed in the statute," the ACLU notes.
The Supreme Court has not yet addressed the legality of Trump's proclamation. But the historical evidence overwhelmingly indicates that Congress understood an "invasion or predatory incursion against the territory of the United States" in military terms. In support of that conclusion, the ACLU cites contemporaneous dictionary definitions, correspondence among the Founders, court decisions in the early 19th century, and the U.S. Constitution, which "in every instance" uses the terms invade and invasion "in a military sense."
That understanding also comports with the AEA's surrounding language and with the context in which Congress enacted it. The statute applies when "there is a declared war" between the United States and a "foreign nation or government" or when a "foreign nation or government" has "perpetrated, attempted, or threatened" an "invasion or predatory incursion against the territory of the United States" (even when a war has not been declared). "At the time of passage," the ACLU notes, "the United States was preparing for possible war with France and already under attack in naval skirmishes. French ships were attacking U.S. merchant ships in United States waters. Congress worried that these attacks against the territory of the United States were the precursor to all-out war with France."
Trump's equation of Tren de Aragua with a "foreign nation or government" is equally problematic. "By no stretch of the statutory language can [Tren de Aragua] be deemed a 'foreign nation or government,'" the ACLU says. "Those terms refer to an entity that is defined by its possession of territory and legal authority." It adds that the historical context of imminent war with France "also reflects Congress's intent to address conflicts with foreign sovereigns, not criminal gangs."
Tellingly, Trump's proclamation does not explicitly assert that Tren de Aragua is a "foreign nation or government," although it does aver that the Venezuelan government has "ceded ever-greater control over [its] territories to transnational criminal organizations." The proclamation "notably does not say that [Tren de Aragua] operates as a government in those regions," the ACLU notes. "In fact, the Proclamation does not even specify that [Tren de Aragua] currently controls any territory in Venezuela. And even as the Proclamation singles out certain Venezuelan nationals, it does not claim that Venezuela is invading the United States."
Adding to the confusion, Trump refers to "members" of Tren de Aragua as "alien enemies." But the AEA defines that term as "natives, citizens, denizens, or subjects of the hostile nation or government." It makes no sense to say that members of Tren de Aragua are "natives, citizens, denizens, or subjects" of the gang. And as the ACLU notes, Trump is not claiming to be at war with Venezuela.
The government initially argued that courts could not assess the plausibility of Trump's puzzling definitions because it was a "political question." But at the Supreme Court, the Trump administration's lawyers conceded that detainees "may be able to obtain narrow review of 'the construction and validity of the statute,'" focused on "questions like 'whether the detainee is an alien, and whether the detainee is among the 'natives, citizens, denizens, or subjects of the hostile nation' within the meaning of the Act." The Court, after all, had said as much in the 1948 case Ludecke v. Watkins, which is where those quotes come from.
"Nowhere did Ludecke suggest that questions of statutory interpretation are beyond the
courts' competence," the ACLU notes. "Indeed, four years later, the Court reversed a government World War II removal decision because '[t]he statutory power of the Attorney General to remove petitioner as an enemy alien ended when Congress terminated the war.'" And federal courts "have reviewed a range of issues concerning the meaning and application of the AEA's terms" in a long line of cases.
The "political question" doctrine "exists primarily to reinforce the separation of powers," the ACLU notes. "But applying the doctrine here would undermine Congress's constitutional authority, because it would render the limits that Congress wrote into the statute unenforceable."
Whether or not the ACLU succeeds in this particular case, in other words, the courts ultimately will have to determine whether Trump's invocation of the AEA against alleged gangsters makes any sense in light of the statute's language and history. Spoiler alert: It does not.
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Sullums understanding of journalism is the real farce.
Sullum possesses a subnormal intellect. He’s also a fool and a leftist dupe.
This is what America becomes when its president is buddies with Netanyahu who is committing a holocaust in Gaza and has international warrants for his arrest.
Genocidal Jews and their accomplices certainly have no respect for due process.
The seven satanic Noahide laws as traditionally enumerated in the Babylonian Talmud Sanhedrin 56a-b and Tosefta Avodah Zarah
Not to worship idols.
Not to curse God.
Not to commit murder.
Not to commit adultery or sexual immorality.
Not to steal.
Not to eat flesh torn from a living animal.
To establish courts of justice.
I didn’t know the nation was founded on them, did YOU?
These bullshit satanic 7 “laws from a Jewish god” have been signed into law by every US president since 1991, and those laws demand the death penalty for breaking any one of them, including opposing any of the laws themselves.
For Jews and their accomplices, due process requires only the lowest bar of the statement of a single witness.
The Jewish religion is based on lying to people, so allowing Jews to influence anything is a recipe for anarchy, mass incarceration and executions.
This is the Kol Nidre text
“All vows, obligations, oaths, and anathemas [curses]which we may vow, or swear, or pledge, or whereby we may be bound, from this Day of Atonement until the next we do repent. May they be deemed absolved, forgiven, annulled, and void, and made of no effect: they shall not bind us nor have any power over us. The vows shall not be reckoned vows; the obligations shall not be obligations; nor the oaths be oaths.”
Sneak out of your cell again?
Refuted?
Yes.
Refuted. And really, your idiotic, Nazi/islamist comment I was in no way responsive to what I said.
And you’re such a gutless coward that you refuse to tell us who you’re aligned with. Of course, I’m sure you have a lot to hide.
Fuck off and die, Nazi scum.
Refuted. Need I say more?
Protocol III (Methods of Conquest). “To induce ambitious persons to abuse their power, we have set all forces in opposition, one against another, after developing their liberal tendencies toward independence. We have aroused all forms of initiative in that direction; we have placed weapons in the hands of all parties; we have made power the goal of all ambition. We have made gladiatorial arenas of different governments in which uprisings and revolts take place. Disorders and bankruptcy will shortly appear everywhere.”
Irrepressible speech makers have changed parliamentary sessions and administrative meetings into oratorical controversies. Daring journalists, and audacious pamphleteers make daily attacks upon the personnel of the administration. The abuse of authority is definitely preparing the downfall of all institutions and everything will be overturned by blows coming from the infuriated populace.
Under our guidance, the masses have destroyed that aristocracy which was their natural protector and nurse, and whose interests were indissolubly bound up with the well being of the people. Now, however, with the destruction of the aristocracy the masses have fallen into the clutches of bullying, avaricious scoundrels, who have fastened themselves on the workers as a merciless burden.
We will represent ourselves as the saviors of the laboring classes who have come to liberate them fro this oppression by suggesting that they join our army of Socialists, Anarchists, Communists, to whom we always extend our help, under the guise of the fraternal principles of the universal human solidarity of our Social Masonry. The aristocracy who rightfully benefited by labor of the working man, had a natural interest in seeing that the workers should be well fed, healthy and strong. We, on the contrary, are interested inn the opposite…the degeneration of the Gentiles. Our strength lies in the chronic malnutrition and weakness of the worker, because through this he falls under our power and is unable to find either strength or energy to struggle against it.
Protocol IV (Destruction of Religion by Materialism). “Liberty, even, would be harmless and coexist with a Governmental program without injury to the welfare of the people if it were based on the principle of belief of God and on the brotherhood of man, but excluded the idea of equality, which is contradicted by the very laws of existence that establish submission to authority. With such a faith, the people would be directed peacefully within the guardianship of their parishes and under the guidance of their spiritual leaders, accepting Divine Order of things on Earth. It is for this reason that we must undermine faith, eradicate from the minds of the Gentiles the very principle of God and soul and replace these conceptions by mathematical calculations and material desires.
To diverge Gentile thought and observation, interest must be deflected to industry and commerce. Thus, will each nation seek to gain it’s own advantage and in striving for it, will not notice the enemy common to all. To make it possible for liberty definitely to disintegrate and ruin Gentile society, industry must be placed on a speculative basis. The result will be that all products extracted by industry fro the soil will not remain in their hands but will pass through speculation into our possession.
The intense struggle for supremacy and the hard knocks of economic life have already created and will continue to create, a society which is disillusioned, cold, and heartless. Such a society is completely estranged from politics and religion. Lust of gold will be the only guide of the people. For this they have a true worship, owing to the material pleasures which it can give them. Then, not for the sake of good, nor even for the sake of riches, but solely on the account of their hatred of the privileged classes, the lower classes of the Gentiles will follow us in the struggle against our rivals for power……the Gentiles of the intellectual classes.
Protocol VII (The Prophecy of a World Wide War). “To each act of opposition, we must be in a position to respond by bringing on war with the neighbors of any country that dares to oppose us, and if those neighbors should plan to stand collectively against us, we must let loose a world-wide war.
The chief element of success in politics lies in the secrecy of our undertakings. The word of a diplomat should not correspond to his acts.
We must force the Gentile governments to adopt measures which will promote our broadly conceived plan, already approaching it’s triumphant goal, by bringing to bear the pressure of stimulated public opinion, which has in reality been organized by us with the help of the so called “great power” of the press. With a few exceptions not worth considering it is already in our hands.
In a word, to demonstrate our enslavement of the Gentile governments of Europe, we shall show our power to one of them by crimes of violence, that is by a reign of terror, and if they should permit themselves to rebel against us, we shall answer them all with American, Chinese, or Japanese guns.”
This comment thread has to be some sort of parody.
There will be a world shortage of popcorn with President AOC starts deporting old white people to balance the Medicare budget.
If they’re illegal aliens from Canada or Europe, no one here will care.
If it’s citizens, that’s about as likely as leftist growing a fucking brain.
What's farcical is Sullums TDS Jihad against all things Trump. Talk about an unhealthy fixation.
JS;dr
Nobody does.
JS;dr
Would be helpful if sullum actually read the laws and what they require. He doesn't care.
Would also be good if he admitted he is a hypocrite for how he denied due process for J6 defendants. Such as the guy who went without seeing a judge while locked up for a year. Or misusing a law. Or judges requiring fealty statements.
So your argument is, if any American is mistreated by the justice system, that it justifies every foreigner being mistreated by the justice system?
Everyone knows you don’t have principles, fatjeff.
So your argument is, if you put words in someone's mouth, they are obligated to defend them?
One of the many different ways Lying Jeffy is dishonest.
No, you fat faggot, it means that you democrats don’t give a shit about civil rights for citizens, but seek to give special rights and entitlements to foreigners who come here illegally. Even the ones who are violent criminals. Like the illegal Alain pedophiles you’ve championed here in the past.
THAT is Jesse’s argument.
Every J6er got a trial, or plead guilty you fucking cult idiot.
I’m hoping you get the same treatment.
The felony disruption for 20 year threats was the primary motivation of 4 year plea agreements. Scotus said that was not the law.
Fascist fuck
Cunt, please. Do you really want a trip to the woodshed to get straightened out?
Claims "freedomwriter"; actually marxist scumbag lefty shit writer.
You.
Are.
Full.
Of.
Shit.
Get reamed with a barb-wire-wrapped broomstick and go bleed to death, TDS-addled pile of shit.
I read till ACLU, then stopped.
JS;dr
What is "due process" in the 21st century?
Answer: outcomes that support Democratic narratives and goals.
Note: actual conformance with facts, laws, and legal precedence are so 20th (or maybe 18th) century.
if I read the menu correctly today's Due Process is brought to us by Glenn Greenwald
"Due process" means that Real Muricans should be given the benefit of the doubt, and everyone else should be given the boot.
I can’t wait till obesity claims you.
Does due process protect people from driving with bears in their trunks?
Only in Jellystone.
Does it also include Jeffy fucking his sister in the ass?
Don’t be silly. People driving around with bears in their trunks are the aggressors. It’s the rest of the world that needs protection from them.
Just like illegal aliens need protection from the consequences of their own choices. It all makes sense.
Congress has plenary power to exclude aliens.
They decide what process is due in this context.
Congress doesn’t even read it’s own bills.
That’s the best part: they did!
More lies. You refuse to acknowledge how the law works as written for illegals. Whom you seek to imbue extra constitutional rights. All while you seek to impose Marxist oppression on American citizens.
Obviously, the concept of citizenship is anathema to you. As you are a global Neo Marxist, and a passionate supporter of normalizing pedophilia.
Filth like you should be incarcerated, and likely executed in your case.
https://reason.com/2025/04/21/pope-francis-has-died/?comments=true#comment-11013562
You know they’re getting due process, you just don’t like the process they’re getting.
Due process is not necessarily to protect illegal aliens from being deported, although you might never guess that from the crap being posted on Reason lately. Due process is entirely for the purpose of protecting US citizens from accidentally being deported as illegal aliens due to a mistake or malice by government officials. Anyone here who tries to allege that government officials never make mistakes or act maliciously is an idiot not worthy of further consideration!
I'm excited to see if in fact you are a Level Nine Wishcaster.
MAPedo Jeffy is chaotic evil.
Where does the aclu get the idea that the illegal immigrant members of a terrorist organization aren't being given the time alloted by scotus when scotus never gave a time table for the notifications? They just said to give notification with reasonable time for them to question their removal. Why isn't a week reasonable? They are members of a terrorist organization. Why isn't 12 hours reasonable, they are members of a terrorist organization? Why are you and the aclu advocating so hard for members of a terrorist organization?
Why you are so eager to believe the government cannot make mistakes and not at all concerned the govt is afraid to present its evidence to a court?? Because clearly if these objective facts are so obvious, it would be trivial to prove it, right???
What are they afraid of CharlieG?
Does the government include inferior court judges not a lawyer?
I love how CharlieG here continually refers to Garcia as a "member of a terrorist organization" without ever bothering to discuss how that determination was made.
In 2019, an immigration judge ruled that he was a member of MS13 based on (1) his Chicago Bulls attire and (2) the say-so of an anonymous informant. That's it. And Garcia never got the opportunity to challenge the informant or his evidence. This 'burden of proof' is laughable.
Then, in 2025, Trump declares MS13 to be a 'terrorist organization', which retroactively declares Garcia to be a 'terrorist'. This is an example of an ex-post-facto determination.
The government never proved that Garcia himself was a terrorist or committed terrorist acts.
But because they have flooded the zone with Garcia's dirty laundry, now they have a lot of people (perhaps even a majority) who believe that Garcia is a TERRORIST. Because they are trying him in the court of public opinion, which is exactly what they want. They know they would lose if they had to subject their flimsy evidence to a real court. But they will absolutely win if they can scare everyone into believing that he's a terrorist based on social media rumors.
And the usual morons think that this is just fine and that the same treatment can never happen to them.
Your INDOCTRINATION was successful. Gracia was found to be an MS 13 member BEFORE he illegally entered the US and determined by 2 separate US courts to be an MS 13 member based on his ACTIONS, not they reasons you claim.
Your description of "ex post facto" is not even close to accurate.
Note: Even using YOUR definition of a terrorist, the actual evidence shows Garcia IS a terrorist.
MAPedo Jeffy will just continue to lie.
Giving them notice at all is unreasonable. If you do that they'll disappear.
"Where does the aclu get the idea that the illegal immigrant members of a terrorist organization aren't being given the time alloted by scotus when scotus never gave a time table for the notifications?"
Where does a slimy pile of ignorant lefty shit get the idea that the opinions of a slimy pile of lefty shit matter?
Fuck off and die, asshole.
Fuck Congress
Until the Dems are in charge.
Maybe Sullum should explain exactly why he wants murderous criminals in the United States. What's in it for you, Sullum? Just to brag that "hey, we gave them some lubbertarian version of due process" -- in other words, to be the living proof of your moral narcissism?
The only reason they are labeled "murderous criminals" is the administration says they are. But that is not how due process in the US works. The government must prove that in front of a neutral magistrate. Aversion to due process is a sign of a fascist.
The reason Tren de Aragua and MS-13 are called "murderous criminals" is that they are criminals who kill people. If they are charged with crimes, the government must prove that in court. If they are ordered to leave the country, they are not being prosecuted for any crime, and so proof to the standard of a criminal court is not necessary. Withdrawing permission for a foreigner to remain in our country is not criminal prosecution and making them leave is not punishment for a crime.
MS13 are actually delightful people who bring peace everywhere they go.
Remember when you wept for Elian Gonzalez and his extremely irresponsible mother that died at sea?? I wish Janet Reno would have gone Waco on those criminal Cubans!
I’m sure you do.
I’m praying to Jesus that another Cuban mother dies at sea and her child washes ashore just so Bondi can light up the Cuban kidnappers for defying court orders. I would be happy to see Cuban illegals just die at sea though. ????
Don't pray, but I'm hoping, as the lying pile of slimy lefty shit, you get what you deserve.
Fuck off and die, asshole.
That is literally how the law works in this case.
Hey Tony, they can come live with you. Can’t wait to see what those homophobic Latin murdering gangbangers do to you.
Yep, just like Scarface…this country is a pussy just waiting to get fucked…or in your case a butthole. 😉
No fag, that’s you.
The author of this article's understanding of rational thought is insufficient to be called farcical.
It is Jacob “TDS” Sullum after all. I would expect no less from him.
Sullum, you've been telling us the walls are closing in on Trump for half a decade now.
You also seem to think due process involves a trial.
You're not one to talk.
Sullum is far from the only one here lying about all of this. I’m watching last week’s Bill Maher show, mainly for the Douglas Murray interview. Welch was on the panel and I am currently watching lie like Jeffy about this case.
Reason should get rid of. OST of their writers. They need more Stosse, and they also need to bring on people who are worth reading. Douglas Murray is a good example. Of what they should look for.
You MUST be high. Murray is an incoherent warmongering Ziophile, an Israel firster. Endorsed every war the US has ever been involved in. Got his ass handed to him on Joe Rogan recently by Dave Smith - you should watch.
Murray crushed him, you dumb cunt. I’m sure you will hear about that at your next neo nazi Islamist rally.
More than 130 people deported before the Supreme Court's order "remain imprisoned at CECOT," the ACLU says.
When you put it that way, it's kind of depressing.
Adding a few more zeros would help.
that 227-year-old statute had been invoked just three times
Y'know, the Quartering Act - which is 33 years older than that - has only been invoked once in modern times. But it's old and rarely used, so we should just ignore it because what relevance could it have in 2025.
This is why I love Jakey Fakey articles. I mean, they always have that Derp factor - but it's a special kind of Derp where it's like you get the opportunity to slap them across the face with a dead fish.
And boy oh boy, Jakey's smelling pretty fishy these days.
The government's idea of "adequate notice" became clear when it "quickly distributed AEA notices to detainees and not long after began loading them onto vehicles," the lawsuit says. "The English-only form, not provided to any attorney, nowhere mentioned the right to contest the designation or removal, much less explained how detainees could do so. It also did not provide a timeline by which designees needed to seek habeas relief."
So what you're telling me is that Trump is, in fact, following the Court's orders. Just not in a way that made it easy for them (which was not part of the order). At which point we got them out of the country, and the Court is now 100% powerless to do anything about it because they have zero jurisdiction over non-citizens residing in foreign nations.
I like it. The system works, the Constitution is upheld, everyone wins!
How old is that terrible constitution thing?
Totes obsolete.
This guy gets it: https://x.com/EndWokeness/status/1907158155815190809
Everything before 1965. Especially the stuff from December 6, 1865 and August 18, 1920. LOLOLOL.
Skin color is the most important thing.
That is literally implicit in the Constitution. We didn’t have “slavery”…we had “white supremacy”in which people with black skin were a permanent underclass!
"That is literally implicit in the Constitution. We didn’t have “slavery”…we had “white supremacy”in which people with black skin were a permanent underclass!"
This from a slimy pile of lefty shit who get his/her 'history' lessons from the "Parade" supplement on Sunday.
I'm not willing to spend one more second 'educating' you, since you are a slimy pile of lying lefty shit not worthy of it.
Look it up, shit-bag, and get back to us. Or, please, simply fuck off and die; make your family proud. And your dog happy.
Pretty sure we had slavery. But I find it odd that you oppose this progressive Black gentleman and his progressive ideas.
Maybe you just hate Black people.
Given that the steaming pile of lying lefty shit has no desire to learn, this will have no effect:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWrfjUzYvPo
Fuck off and die, ignorant pile of lefty shit.
Nope, we didn’t have slavery. Slavery was a euphemism for what we had which was multigenerational servitude and permanent lower class status…all because black skin is a dominant gene.
You do realize that the Irish were some of the first slaves here?
Fuck off and die, ignorant pile of lefty shit.
Better go tell black people that.
Do you ever tire of being wrong and a total retard?
I only support the Constitution when white skin gives one special privileges!!! Whaaaaaaaa!!!!!
Cite?
It seems like every day since Trump became president the first time Reason becomes more like a print MSNBC.
Ground hog day.
One is President and the other, an editor !!!
Jacob would be in office maybe measurable in microseconds, with that blow-off attitude of his. In all the amici curiae you have to go to the ACLU !!!! That's it again: Value-free, moral-free, religion-free strict utilitarianism This is why Libertarianism is dying
Can an American citizen without a criminal conviction be deported to to El Salvador and imprisoned there?
Cultists: yes, provided Trump or Bondi say he's not a citizen and is a member of a terrorist organisation.
That is the implicit position all you cultists hold to, because you would take the regime's word for it.
Now there is a way where the regime can be stopped from deporting an American citizen - but you disagree with it and indeed condemn anyone who supports that way,
"Can an American citizen without a criminal conviction be deported to to El Salvador and imprisoned there?
Cultists: yes, provided Trump or Bondi say he's not a citizen and is a member of a terrorist organisation."
Can the steaming pile of TDS-addled shit SRG ever post without lying?
Dunno, never seems to.
Fuck off and die, asshole.
Fuck off and die, asshole.
Yes, that is what the TDS cult claims.
What would stop that from happening?
What would cause that to happen?
Trump or Bondi ordering an American citizen to be deported to El Salvador - whether deliberately or by accident.
What would stop them if they did that?
What would cause that to happen?
Oh, idk, maybe a traffic stop that pissed off the pig and it decided to deport the dude that didn't have his license and had the balls to exhibit contempt of cop.
Do you seriously believe a patrol officer has the authority to deport someone? No, of course not—you're trolling.
You have become stupid. You used not to be, but now you have drunk deeply from the Trump equivalent of the Pierian spring and you now know less than you used to.
What would cause the deportation of a US citizen to happen, a question you have asked twice because you are evidently now too stupid to devise the answer yourself.
Try the broader question - what would stop the Executive - any Executive - from deporting an American citizen if that Executive claimed that the subject was not in fact an American citizen?
Are you going to continue your recent stupidity by asking your moronic question again?
So, you won't answer. OK.
I will answer. Because the Executive doesn't like what the citizen wrote about him, or because the citizen had embarassing information about him, or had provided financial or other support to political opponents, or any number of reasons why an Executive might want to shut a citizen up or punish him without having legal means to do so,
Answered.
Yes, answered—you're delusional.
The Patriot Act, extraordinary rendition, and an Obama drone strike say hi!
Edit: if it’s not clear, I’m saying they don’t need to do some hanky panky to declare you “not a citizen”, to fuck with your liberty, send you to a third world country, or even murder you. Worrying that they might strip someone of their citizenship just to deport them is so much fear mongering in light of what they can already do.
"...Because the Executive doesn't like what the citizen wrote about him, or because the citizen had embarassing information about him, or had provided financial or other support to political opponents, or any number of reasons why an Executive might want to shut a citizen up or punish him without having legal means to do so..."
Go pedal your fantasies to the other TDS-addled shit-piles, TDS-addled shit-pile.
BTW, TDS-addled slimy pile of shit:
"...Because the Executive doesn't like what the citizen wrote about him, or because the citizen had embarassing information about him,..."
Trump has been "investigated" by every prosecutor they could find who was devoid of professional ethics (and that was quite a few, it turns out) for the last 9 years. 9 YEARS!
They found a late library book return and an unpaid parking ticket.
Really tired of listening to your imbecilic whining; fuck you and the rest of your buds with barb-wire-wrapped broomsticks.
On what grounds? Because what I said somehow cannot happen because no-one would do that? You're the delusional one. And you've still not answered the question, what would stop an Executive who would do that?
The funniest thing about this whole situation is not one person has denied, not even the illegal immigrants themselves, that they are in the country illegally.
Well, children don't necessarily appreciate that they are US citizens.
Touché, though all the media is talking about right now are the gang-bangers and criminals being deported, so I’m not sure that’s really been happening yet.
I’m sympathetic to their plight, even if I disagree with the current interpretation of the 14th, but there’s not going to be a decent solution for either side of the argument for those cases. (Either they get deported with their illegal immigrant parents back to the homeland or they get separated from their deported parents, neither of which is going to be acceptable to the “let them stay” side. OR we let the whole family stay, further incentivizing people to come here just to have babies, which is not going to be acceptable to the “deport the illegals” side.)
"...the “let them stay” side..."
Pretty sure that's the "TDS-addled shit-pile" side.
The families and kids are a fig-leaf for their hatred of Trump.
The ACLU is seeking an order requiring the government to "immediately request and take all reasonable steps to facilitate the return" of those deportees
Again with that f-word.
Consequences
If President Trump fails and likely he will, America fails. It seems that he doesn't have the backbone to do that which is necessary. Already, he seems to be caving on the issue of Garcia in El Salvador, passing the responsibility to his lawyers. Mr. Trump, you are the President not your lawyers.
Mr. Trump has a lot of strength, but it blows hot and cold. Initially, it blew cold when he appointed his enemies as advisors; e.g., General "Mad Dog" Mattis, but left a loyal ally out to dry, i.e., General Michael Flynn.
Again, it blew cold in the Summer of 2020 with the rioting across the country. It was clear to anyone who looked that this fragmenting, declining nation on fire that the trend was ominous. Apparently, Mr. Trump allowed his narcissism to blind him to the immediate future and the forthcoming election. Despite the Democrats multiple lawsuits and other maneuvering, he seemed to believe that he couldn't lose. That Summer provided the moment to declare martial law and really drain the Swamp and reverse the trend. He failed to act. Consequence? Biden and disaster for the nation.
On 19AUG2020, via the website, Nation On Fire, this commentator discussed Mr. Trump's declaring martial law. Naturally, not being a celebrity — none of whom suggested that option — I attracted scant attention. Perhaps, American patriots might want to begin listening to others whose verbal behavior is not under the control of commercial contingencies. It's not too late although soon it may be given the Democrats abuse of the courts and the over-reach by non-elected lawyers in black costumes squatting on daises.
“There are none so blind as those who will not see.” - John Heywood (1497-1580)
https://www.nationonfire.com/martial-law/ .