America Is Losing Trump's Trade War to Itself
If tariffs are so great, why has Trump shown a willingness to back down from his threats if other countries agree to certain conditions?

The first few weeks of the second Trump administration were a whirlwind of counterproductive, illogical trade policies.
Trump returned to the White House with a promise to raise tariffs on his first day in office. That morphed into a threat to tax all imports from Mexico and Canada (two nations with which Trump negotiated a new trade deal during his first term) on February 1. When that date arrived, Trump backed down. Meanwhile, he slapped a new 10 percent tariff on all goods imported from China and followed that with a 25 percent tariff on all steel and aluminum imports. On March 3, the president reversed course again and moved forward with blanket tariffs on imports from Mexico and Canada. Trump also began the process of implementing what he calls "reciprocal tariffs" on all imports, with specific rates to be determined later this year.
That was just the first six weeks. By the time you read this, a global trade war could be in full swing—or Trump may have extracted whatever vague concessions he's seeking with this chaotic attack on the peaceful exchange of goods.
During his first tenure in office, the president (and some of his top advisers, including Peter Navarro, who now heads the White House's trade policy team) was obstinate in his claim that China was paying the cost of his tariffs. That was, of course, false. Study after study confirmed what economists had already explained: Tariffs were paid by the American businesses and consumers that purchased tariffed products. The promised benefits for American manufacturers never really materialized, and the small number of jobs created by imposing tariffs on imports were costly—one 2018 study from the Peterson Institute for International Economics concluded that Trump's 2018 steel tariffs cost $650,000 per job created.
Much of the chaos Trump has unleashed speaks to a bigger problem: Trump's theory of how to use tariffs is deeply illogical, even once you get past the economic illiteracy. It is worthwhile to think through those arguments, if only because they are likely to resurface as justifications for tariffs in other contexts over the coming years.
Trump loves to claim that tariffs will make America a wealthier nation. "The tariffs are going to make us very rich and very strong," Trump said in late January, just before launching (and then pausing) his North American trade war. "They don't cause inflation. They cause success." He's used variations of this line for years, and on the campaign trail in 2024 he would often claim that America was at its peak during the 1890s, when tariffs were significantly higher than they are today.
That's nonsense. Americans are far wealthier today than in the 1890s, when most people did not have access to indoor plumbing, electricity, or modern medical care, and when the average hourly wage was less than 14 cents—that's less than $5 today when adjusted for inflation.
But even if you accept Trump's premise that tariffs are the key to making America wealthy again, his behavior is illogical. He spent the first few weeks of his new term threatening to place those wealth-generating, Golden Age–restoring tariffs on Canada and Mexico and then backed down when both countries agreed to make some minor changes to how they police their borders. Then, he went ahead with the higher tariffs anyway.
That should make us wonder: If tariffs are the key to tremendous wealth, shouldn't Trump implement them no matter what the leaders of any other countries do or say? If we really can tax our way to prosperity, as Trump claims, why wouldn't we do that? Perhaps it is because we can't, and those claims are lies.
The other arguments Trump and his allies have deployed are just as illogical.

Take the claim that tariffs were a negotiating tool to force Canada and Mexico to crack down on the flow of fentanyl into the United States. In the executive order authorizing tariffs on goods from Mexico and Canada, Trump wrote that "the sustained influx of illicit opioids and other drugs has profound consequences" for the country and "threatens the fabric of our society."
A literal reading of the executive order suggests that Canadian imports like maple syrup and timber are somehow to blame for the opioid crisis. That makes no sense.
If the diagnosis is foolish, then the treatment is even sillier. Is there any other context in which higher taxes on legal goods would reduce the smuggling of illegal ones? Raising taxes on beer won't stop people from using cocaine.
Equally misguided is Trump's idea about using tariffs to reduce America's trade deficit with other countries. To understand why, think about the transactions that occur between your household and your favorite grocery store. You buy lots of goods from the grocery store, but it never purchases anything from you—therefore, you're running a sizable trade deficit.
Tariffs are nothing more than a tax on those transactions. Trump's logic says that you could be wealthy if you mailed $25 to the U.S. Treasury for every $100 in groceries that you purchase. That's ridiculous. You'd be poorer, and the trade deficit with the store would still exist. Perhaps you'd choose to spend less on groceries to avoid the extra cost imposed upon yourself, but that should only illustrate how the extra $25 reduced your standard of living.
Finally, Trump has also promised that tariff revenue can be used to eliminate the income tax. Tariffs do indeed generate some revenue for the government, though you'd have to set tariff rates exorbitantly high to offset the $2.2 trillion in individual income taxes paid every year.
Maybe that tradeoff is worth it, but there's a bigger logical hole in this idea: In order for a tariff to work as a revenue-generating policy, it must actually exist—because a threatened tariff generates no revenue. For the same reason, a tariff that exists only to persuade another country to take some specified action is useless for revenue, because it would be removed once the other country complies.
Tariffs cannot be both the primary means of funding the federal government's budget and a tool of foreign policy. In fact, they're not particularly effective at either of those jobs.
Unfortunately, Trump seemingly lacks any awareness about the economic costs of his tariff obsession, and he does not have a strong sense of intellectual consistency. At this rate, American businesses and consumers should prepare for four years of uncertainty, higher costs, and logical contradictions.
This article originally appeared in print under the headline "The Trade War We're Losing to Ourselves."
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If tariffs are so great, why has Trump shown a willingness to back down from his threats if other countries agree to certain conditions?
Ever hear about this thing called negotiating? It’s in his book.
Editors here just know The Art of the Squeal Like a Pig
Ever hear of this thing called tariffs and how they work? They're in probably hundreds of Econ 101 textbooks and every dictionary you can lay a hand on.
We've all certainly heard of TDS-addled steaming piles of shit.
Article I, Section 8, Clause 1:
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises,
No Taxation without Representation!
Last time I checked, the President of the United States is elected.
What doea that have to do with the enumerated powers outlined in the Constitution? Are you suggesting that by being elected president he has the powers granted to the legislature?
He's pointing out that you're overtly playing retarded in a distinctly "BOAF SIDEZ"/Reason/TDS fashion.
You're taking the side of the people who reluctantly and strategically handed billions to the Ukraine to blow up the worlds largest international oil pipeline and conscript their own people to fight in the eastern half of their own country.
The side of the people who reluctantly and strategically supported the shutting down of ports and airports for "two weeks" until the natives got vaccinated.
The side of the people who for decades have taken money for solar and wind power to build industries overseas while shutting down domestic production *and still* regulating energy consumption *federally* at the point of installation.
Sorry about your contract with the EIC and that dumping the tea in the harbor is going to hurt your business. If you've got someone better, point them out. Otherwise, your convenient and abbreviated and pointless quibble about whether the POTUS or the legislature is *more* elected to do the job that has rightly been delegated to both (if a tariff can be rounded down to a tax, it can also be rounded up to a treaty) is overtly siding with the crown.
My side is the side that follows the Constitution.
An interesting short read from 2008.
https://www.philosophytalk.org/blog/separation-powers-and-charismatic-presidency
Paraphrase from the text: When the executive and legislative branches are controlled by the same faction, partisan loyalty will outweigh institutional loyalty.
What seems to me is that we have a ratcheting effect occurring with respect to the balance of power the branches of the US federal government. This is just an observation from an ordinary person. I could be mistaken in my perceptions.
Nothing unconstitutional about tariffs or border enforcement. Maybe not always libertarian, but certainly constitutional.
How the tariffs were enacted is unconstitutional (especially from a orginalist perspective). The emergency is non-existent.
Lawsuits will be forthcoming. We'll see what the courts think.
Probably Penaltax it. But who knows Bruen, Dobbs, and Raimondo give some hope.
Tarrifs enacted by the Congress, sure. Those enacted by the President, not constitutional. We have a system in America of separate powers.
My side is the side that follows the Constitution.
By your own precepts, who elected them? Boehm?
Seriously, this is like sarcasmic-level brilliance.
Our wholly ineffective congress threw this over the fence to the executive branch. Blame them.
I blame them as well. But just because tyrannical men said it was ok, does mean you have to follow along with their tyranny. The actions of Donald Trump are his and his alone to take responsibility for.
No they did not. They put geopolitical conditions on the tariffs that Trump is ignoring.
They put geopolitical conditions on the tariffs that Trump is ignoring.
From 1962 to 1977 Congress enacted 5 different pieces of legislation containing various grants of a authority to the President with regard to the levying of tariffs. Which specific one(s) are you saying contain "geopolitical conditions" that Trump is ignoring, and with regard to which specific tariffs?
I'm saying that the President is elected, and so the imposition of tariffs by him is not taxation without representation. Whether he has the authority to do so is in dispute. I'll wait for the courts to work that out, rather than accept your pontification.
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises,
God, public schools must suck if you can read the above and come to the conclusion that maybe that includes the president.
I read just fine; I'm just not an arrogant blowhard like you.
All I did was post an excerpt of the Constitution and the rallying call of the Sons of Liberty. You decided to blow hard with your false equivalency of Congress and The President. If you feign ignorance don't get bent out of shape with people who then treat you with disdain.
See what I mean?
If tariffs are so great, why has Trump shown a willingness to back down from his threats if other countries agree to certain conditions?
Because they agreed to certain conditions. It's called "winning". Fucking DUH.
Twat do other nations have to do, to escape the 10% tariff floor? Send Dear Leader a large harem of their finest versions of Spermy Daniels?
https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/03/how-did-the-us-arrive-at-its-tariff-figures-.html This is how Donald cooked the books… Even nations who import more from the USA than they export, get hit with a 10% tariff. And WHAT is so bad about a trade imbalance with a specific nation? My employer runs a trade imbalance with me (they pay me money and I don’t pay them), and my grocer has a trade imbalance with me, the other way around.
Oh wow! A Sqrlsy link that isn't at least five years old.
Someone got their internet access back.
Oh wow! Moose-Mammary-Necrophiliac implicitly admits that She can SNOT refute twat I have to say!
Yeah. I'll never understand the need to display this degree of retardation online. It's like they never matured past the age of 4 and can't figure out that the world doesn't revolve around them getting what they want, throwing a tantrum, or holding their breath until they pass out.
Find another source of revenue to pay down the debt and otherwise preserve US (inter)national sovereignty. Put up another candidate who identifies as an American or even just a fully-formed adult human ahead of a retarded social check box preference that didn't exist a decade ago and get that policy enacted. Otherwise, fuck the hell off with the "Why do my obviously false analogies keep turning out to be inaccurate?" retardation.
Even Russian media has figured this out by visiting “dot gov” websites to find the (a) tariffs charged against the US and (b) reciprocal tariffs charged by the US against that nation.
https://t.me/BellumActaNews/142750
These are cooked and crooked numbers!!! Dear Leader tells us twatever He thinks that His Armies of Trumpanzees want to hear!
https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/03/how-did-the-us-arrive-at-its-tariff-figures-.html This is how Donald cooked the books…
What part of reciprocal and punitive are the idiot authors of your piece and their experts pretending that they don't understand?
"Some analysts acknowledged that the U.S. government’s methodology could give it more wiggle room to reach an agreement.
“All I can say is that the opaqueness surrounding the tariff numbers may add some flexibility in making deals, but it could come at a cost to US credibility,” according to Rob Subbaraman, head of global macro research at Nomura."
This shit is WAAAY beyond reciprocal!
EVERYONE will be hit by a 10% base-rate tariff, even those nations who have FEWER tariffs than the USA does!
The nations with the world's lowest tariffs are Hong Kong and Singapore, both of which maintain a 0% tariff rate on goods, with some exceptions. These economies are known for their free trade policies, which promote open markets and minimal trade barriers.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/4/2/where-are-the-highest-lowest-tariffs-trumps-reciprocal-tariffs-explained
Me: "What part of reciprocal and punitive"
Shillsy: "This shit is WAAAY beyond reciprocal!"
*facepalm*
FACTS: Trump is slamming nations WHO HAVE LOWER TARIFFS THAN THE USA DOES with 10% tariffs. This is Trumpian REVENGE, snot "reciprocal". REVENGE for imagined slights and insults... That them thar EVIL ferriners are SNOT kissing Trumpian Ass quite hard enough! One petulant spoiled man-child is dragging the whole world into trade-war Hell! And EVIL Moose-Mammary PervFect Bitch has NOTHING to offer, in face of the facts, other than a face-palm at the idea that SOME people can manage to be data-driven, not Tribe-driven!
Still not understanding "punitive", huh?
I thoroughly understand that EVIL people will put TRIBALISM much, much higher than benevolence, justice, fairness, and even prosperity, and certainly MUCH higher than being data-driven. SOME evil people will go to extremes, clearly unjustifiable extremes... To be PUNITIVE!!! For NO good reasons!
This tribalism senselessness is related to "do-gooder derogation" ass well, Ye PervFected Tribalist! At the instinctual, sociobiological level!
To learn more, PUNITIVE PervFected ENEMA of data-driven benevolence, see the below...
The intelligent, well-informed, and benevolent members of tribes have ALWAYS been feared and resented by those who are made to look relatively worse (often FAR worse), as compared to the advanced ones. Especially when the advanced ones denigrate tribalism. The advanced ones DARE to openly mock “MY Tribe’s lies leading to violence against your tribe GOOD! Your tribe’s lies leading to violence against MY Tribe BAD! VERY bad!” And then that’s when the Jesus-killers, Mahatma Gandhi-killers, Martin Luther King Jr.-killers, etc., unsheath their long knives!
“Do-gooder derogation” (look it up) is a socio-biologically programmed instinct. SOME of us are ethically advanced enough to overcome it, using benevolence and free will! For details, see http://www.churchofsqrls.com/Do_Gooders_Bad/ and http://www.churchofsqrls.com/Jesus_Validated/ .
Then they crucified Jesus, 'cause Jesus made them look bad! ALSO because Jesus made them look bad FOR THEIR STUPID, HIDE-BOUND TRIBALISM! "The parable of the Good Samaritan" was VERY pointed, because the Samaritans were of the WRONG tribe, in the eyes of "Good Jews" of the day.
Instead of KILLING Jesus, Mahatma Gandhi, Martin Luther King Jr., etc., we’d be better off VOTING for these kinds of people! But we will NOT, ’cause they Hurt Our Precious Baby Feelings, by giving tribalism and do-gooder derogation the disrespect that they (we self-righteous tribalists) SOOO thoroughly deserve!
Beeble goop, bluurgh.
Beeble goop, bluurgh, is the best and basest that Mammary-Farter-Fuhrer the Necrophiliac has to offer, 'cause She is PervFectly Vile and EVIL!!! Focused on PUNISHMENT of ALL of the NON-Tribally-Loyal, even though shit will flush Her and Her fellow Canucks right down the toilet, economically if snot American-military-empire-wise!!! Fucking PervFectly EVIL Bitch cheers on the Canschluss!!!
Canschluss … https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/global-trends/us-news-trump-tariff-canada-canada-under-siege-is-trump-planning-a-canschluss/articleshow/119208691.cms?from=mdr Canada under siege: Is Trump planning a 'Canschluss'?
Twat kinds of fascist assholes ever erected such a power-hungry dicktator wannabe ass Der TrumpfenFarter-Fuhrer anyway? Did someone put a gun to your heads, stupid fascists? At least in Germany, they had genuinely suffered before erecting Shitler to be their Dicktator-asshole In Chief… Twat did YOU suffer so horribly from? The idea that someone somewhere might enjoy a drag-queen show?
cost to US credibility
If we're going to have a free trade of credibility between the US and Canada, let it be over the financing of cars and whiskey and not dementia-addled authoritarian leadership. Agreed (you filthy Canadian)?
The weaponization of money is not a novel thing, and it is massively effective.
No one bitches about sanctions against bag guys, what about sanctions in the form of tariffs—while are reciprocal—against supposedly friendly trade parters who have us over a barrel?
The EU has been gouging and taking advantage of the US for decades (the Brussels effect). I shed no tears for them.
Yes, tariffs are a tax, more revenue for the indebted coffers. Maybe the wrong way to do it, but there is an upside.
There are always initial impact and then economic rebalancing that happens when tariffs are put in place. Everyone pearl-clutches about the impact and then there is no assessment beyond that part about the economic rebalancing that will occur. It's a shallow assessment from the media at best.
This will undoubtedly reform the global economy. And why is that a bad thing? As an investor, my eyes are on what happens after the initial impact of sanctions. How is the world economy going to realign (without any of this bullshit partisan pearl-clutching)? How and where will money flow now? What is the impact on government revenue?
There are massive changes going on right now, and folks need to get their heads out of "reactionary mode". Think past the initial hubbub and try to see what's on the other side of the fog.
Alarmism stories are fun on day one but have no value if you are interested in day 2.
No one bitches about sanctions against bag guys, what about sanctions in the form of tariffs—while are reciprocal—against supposedly friendly trade parters who have us over a barrel?
And, as I continue to point out, even if the indirect effects of e.g. environmental or labor regulation are 10X as massive and 10X as non- or anti-democratic, as long as they're indirect, nobody gives a shit.
Deporting an immigrant who is disrupting classes on campus is an existential crisis, the very existence of which irrevocably chills free speech, but convicting a European automotive executive for violating California emissions law adopted as (inter)national administrative policy is just how business is done (and nitwits like Sometimes a Great Notion quibble about 'yeah but did Congress *actually* delegate tariff power to the Executive'?).
Sure, you're rather overtly setting things up so that anyone anywhere can be administratively convicted for any emissions regulators don't like but who cares as long as EVs, or at least Uber rides kinda-sorta fit into the category of 'cheap stuff' right?
"Deporting an immigrant who is disrupting classes on campus is an existential crisis, the very existence of which irrevocably chills free speech..."
You clearly don't teach on a university campus. When universities don't enforce basic rules of behavior, and when they do that enforcement is imbalanced, we as faculty have absolutely no recourse. Selective enforcement is abhorrent behavior that enables and empowers bad behavior.
It terrible that the current administration is taking the same position as those on campus who are causing the disruptions: "Who cares about your rights?" It is essentially tit-for-tat, which is 100% Trump's playbook and feeds into his rhetoric, "How do you like it?" But there is some part of me that relishes that the hecklers are now at severe risk for their behavior, something the broken administrations at universities have shirked over the past few decades. If universities had actually enforced balanced approaches to this kind of rhetoric, we wouldn't be where we are right now, which is a total shitshow.
You clearly don't teach on a university campus.
I'm reciting their narrative in refute of it, not endorsing it. I'm specifically highlighting (or trying to) the "unseen cost" of the selective enforcement to which you're referring.
From a different angle: If the US dumps billions in student loans to teach the next Norman Borlaug and Ghandi that they're better off gluing their hands to the floor in protest (rather than creating more than trillions of dollars worth of economic growth), that just gets chalked up as the price of freedom, the cost of education in a civilized society. Nobody really questions the administrative ability to do this generally. Speaking to "Sometimes a Great Notion"'s deflection/distraction above; even if the Federal government can't or shouldn't be able to cripple the global economy in such a fashion, a State government certainly has the power. The cost is obviously trillions of dollars and climbing, globally on all sides of all borders, but nobody gives a shit or even breaths a word about "tariffs" or "free trade".
But if we tell Canada or Africa or Europe that they can pony up some dough for more whiskey or cheaper lithium, otherwise they can teach the next Ghandi to glue their hand to the floor in their own country themselves, we're worse than Hitler starting WWII and may as well be nuking Nagasaki again.
From a different angle: We aren't generating knowledge and exporting American or Western values and education, we're importing Palestinian knowledge, values, and education at equal cost to Americans Black, White, Jewish, and Asian. We aren't importing VWs or corporate leadership or German engineering, we're exporting criminal liability for California's administrative environmental regulations (those that haven't burned to the ground in a wildfire anyway) to Europe and the rest the world.
Nobody cares because those aren't *tariffs* that people can put a dollar amount or relative surplus or deficit numbers on even though they're specifically the sort of things that "Global Free Minds and Free Markets" thinkers *should* be shrieking about. Rather than "OMG! How are Canadians going to afford liquor! How are Kentuckians going to afford property!"
In my opinion and what I practice as an academic is different from your perspective.
It's absolutely not my job to ensure we are exporting American or Western values. That is an example of indoctrination. It is my job to present the students with frameworks that allow them to independently assess and critically analyze—use every resource available to them—the issues that they may face on a daily basis. I teach a management class and it is driven by adverbs: "How do I motive my teams?", "What kinds of management styles have been defined, and what are the pros/cons between them?" I don't teach students how to think, I teach them how to critically assess the situations in front of them. It's up to them to make a decision based upon whatever the current motivating factors are.
So when I am in the classroom, I am exporting critical thinkers, not some other agenda. I want my students to regularly question authority to ensure proper decisions are being made. I want them to question the status quo and develop novel solutions for novel problems.
Groupthink is intellectual cancer, and it's the #1 thing I have to fight at school. In my management class I have an exercise that results in groupthink. Then I spend the next several classes picking it apart so that the students avoid it at all costs.
I sincerely don't understand what you wrote. Here's what I read, and you can correct my misunderstanding.
You are stating the government infusion of monies into academia results in novel outliers such as Norman Borlaug (innovation in agriculture) and Ghandi (non-violent, peaceful protesting for change). There is ample evidence that this is a very weak correlation if there is one at all. You then use an example of radical, intrusive and disruptive protest versus what Ghandi specifically did, which was the complete opposite. I was very confused by the rest of that paragraph.
I don't understand the last sentence. How are we telling those countries to educate outliers? We're not excluding every foreign student, we both agree it is selective enforcement. Therefore, neither Norman Borlaug (who was a US citizen) or Ghandi (who was educated in India and England) would at all be affected by this policy.
So I clearly am misunderstanding what you wrote. Maybe you can help clarify?
Maybe you can help clarify?
Again, you're reading it almost precisely if not deliberately backwards as though I'm supportive of public education and opposing the trade war despite my agreeing with you about the deafening loudness of the silence.
In the traditional agrarian or industrial economy it's easy to tabulate a trade deficit of corn for beer and ICE engines for crude oil. It's convenient to ascribe tariffs on those trade deficits as costs or potential costs. However, the US, and lots of the rest of the world, isn't an industrial economy. We're an informational economy and the idea is that information is more exponential and multiplicative but also less concrete *and* bounded by borders. The Ghandi of 2025 wouldn't have to travel to England to get an education but, of course, he would also get an education that was more biased towards the ideas of John Money and that white Nazis should be punched in the face. Borlaug almost certainly would've been more rigorously socialized if not passed up entirely.
Your attempts to paddle against the varying tides of groupthink aside, the cost of using an "private" education system to turn Mahatma Ghandi into a Mahmoud Kahlil will never show up in any calculation of any trade deficit despite the immensity of it's magnitude. Even if only because they didn't don't show up in the trade calculations to begin with.
For all the libertarians who supported Trump's election -- what's libertarian about tarrifs? The Orwellian-named "liberation day" is about the government telling you who to trade with.
Most of the "libertarians" here are FAKE libertarians who WORSHIT all of the poop that flows from Dear Orange Leader!
Nothing. Why it is good to finally see a potus challenge the current tariffs placed on US companies via negotiating their elimination. Economic NAP. Nothing libertarian about Party A punching Party B. But libertarian where Party A punches Party B after Party B has continually been punching Party A for some time.
it is good to finally see a potus challenge the current tariffs placed on US companies via negotiating their elimination.
You still think this is what he's doing? And if he is, how is taking on the whole world at once is a smart tactic?
Because he knows what he's doing and you're a TDS-addled shit pile.
Sevo's gone full retard just like Trump
Alberto Balsalm started there and has gone nowhere since.
Trump identified where there are currently disparate tariffs and claims there are many nations engaging in that. Unfortunately, Reason and the other MSM outlets are at level 1 of iceberg. Evaluating each of these, nation by nation, is level 3 or level 4. And individual markets perhaps level 5.
Some nations have already committed to discontinue and/or lessen the disparity to avoid having the new reciprocal tariffs impact them. We will see what happens if/when others do not or insufficiently to where Trumps calls off the tariffs against that nation.
It is called negotiating. I don’t negotiate billion or trillion dollar global deals, so I’m not experienced in that to say if this is “smart.” For the government consumer caste (think Jeffsarc), there are only downsides because Trump succeeding is bad because orangemanbad and they don’t produce anything and have contempt for those that are productive.
Well as I recall, there were a few claims of success the past few days because VietNam removed their tariffs against US, yet Trump assesses those at 90% and is charging them a 46% counter tariff because of the bizarre way they are doing their "tariff" calculations.
The fact that no nation in the world was spared a tariff and his administration calculating tariffs based on our trade deficit shows his offer of 0 reciprocal tariffs is a bad faith offer, only meant to fool the naive.
We will see what the actual outcomes are. A chart at a presser is not a trade agreement.
Again, this publication and MSM has been allergic to detailed reviews of how it plays out with each nation because hysteria sells, orangemanbad sells, and facts don’t. I’m also not sure the current staff are capable of doing that beyond perhaps De Rugy, but she’d throw in her baby EU bias. The Bumpersticker Brigade also isn’t capable of understanding those details. Think USA Today article versus a detailed technical report.
The Russian media claimed there won’t be tariffs imposed on them. Dima intimated that when he made his statement about the EU floundering as a result. This is briefly touched on in Liz’s article in the first post.
The US are net consumers by a pretty substantial margin. We have the power to (fairly easily) collapse most of the world's economies simply by not buying their exports.
We hold all the cards
Something lost on Reason editors, other MSM outlets, and the Bumpersticker Brigade.
Though I’d revise it to “We hold a good hand.”
The Orwellian-named "liberation day"
Cripes! There's a hot take.
And it's tariffs. Oceania's big thing wasn't tariffing Eastasia. It's not like the Trumpers are creating a department to suppress anti-government speech and calling it the "Disinformation Governance Board" or something. Now that would be Orwellian.
Oceania's big thing wasn't tariffing Eastasia.
1984 takes on a decidedly different tone when a 50% increase in the chocolate ration from 30g to 20g means going to the next sovereign supplier that Big Brother wholly supports in providing 30g of chocolate without government regulation markup/down.
Victory Chocolate would just substitute soot and Vaseline for cocoa powder and cocoa butter and then up the sugar content.
Trump is a clown. He's better than the Biden clown was and the Harris clown would have been, but that's a low bar he barely managed to hurdle. Giving him control of tariffs is like giving a 5-year old a bazooka. Sure, it can take care of wasp nests and mole hills, but the back blast is dangerous to the ignorant, and Trump is too economically illiterate to understand that tariffs are domestic taxes, or that trade deficits and foreign investments are the same thing and he can't raise one while lowering the other.
Then you get his fanbois, who believe nonsense like tariffs will lower prices because they will replace the income tax, as if the protectionist goal of reducing imports somehow doesn't reduce revenue from taxes on imports. What's he gonna do, keep boosting tariffs as imports drop like he wants, all the way to 11 times the value?
And oh yeah, businesses thrive on all this tariff unpredictability, Jesse told me so authoritatively, and deduced that I have never run a business or I would know better. That goes right along with thinking "Made in America" is either 100% or 0%, nothing in between, so applying all those tariffs is dead simple. Say, why doesn't Trump just ban all imports? Autarky, that's the key.
Trump's clown show is damaging Americans far more than they'll put up with for long. He's coasting along now on a 1.5% election margin which didn't even win a majority against cackling Kamala who was anointed without winning a single primary vote. He'll lose both houses of Congress in 2026 and destroy JD Vance's chances in 2028 at the rate he's going. He damn well better figure it out if he doesn't want to get impeached and convicted for real in 2027.
TDS-addled piles of shit need to fuck off and die.
He's right and you would know this if your head wasn't so far up your own ass.
Stuff your TDS up your ass; your head is begging for company.
Nobody can claim Sevo isn't erudite.
Giving him control of tariffs is like giving a 5-year old a bazooka.
Seems like it's clowns all the way down.
Lol. I like this one. I recently read some Terry Pratchett. Check out the The Science of Discworld books if you like Pratchett.
Just remember that one man's clown is another man's sage.
Recall the Bumpersticker Brigade touting how the then vegetable Biden was as sharp as a tack.
I do not understand the need for these factions to stand by their chosen standard bearers even when they are in obvious decline. They are people doing jobs and there are always people out there that can probably do the job as well or better. Biden should have been spending time with his family. Yeah, he was a politician for his whole life but I do not wish I'll on anyone. The people propping him up were committing abuse if indeed his cognitive state were in such a state as it appeared.
Looking at just one tree in this forest, the company I'm associated with will not be paying the U.S. any tariff tax for its sole sourced Canadian raw material, nor will it be paying taxes on its corporate income nor will us shareholders be paying any taxes on its dividends nor will its workers be paying any income tax or social security/medicare taxes. Why? Because the company will be out of business once the current inventory is sold off; a 25% tariff makes it non-competitive with easily substituted goods.
"If tariffs are so great, why has Trump shown a willingness to back down from his threats if other countries agree to certain conditions?"
Are you really this abysmally stupid or trying to be 'clever'?
Fuck off and die, Boehm.
The narrative(s) of "Nobody wins a trade war... but Trump can lose them... to himself." should be embarrassing to Reason, Free Minds and Free Markets, magazine... if anyone who wrote for it had the least bit of self-worth or the shame derived from it.
"If tariffs are so great, why has Trump shown a willingness to back down from his threats if other countries agree to certain conditions?"
You can't be serious? That's the whole point. Now I might agree that it's still not a great idea, but pretending as if extracting trade concessions isn't the whole point is juvenile.
"By the time you read this"
Whoops, written both too late and too soon!
It's obvious by now that there are only two reasonable theories:
1) It's a tool for making countries and industries come begging for relief so that he can consolidate his authoritarian power.
2) He is intentionally tanking America in favor of his multinational benefactors. He has no allegience to America.
We can ponder all day how his Tariffs and economic policies make sense but it is just a distraction. It's time to impeach Trump.
One more fact:
Heraclitus is full of shit.
Let me fix that for you:
1) It's a tool for making countries come begging for relief so that he can negotiate better, even if unfair, deals.
As for the rest, Sevo is right. Stop being such a gullible fucking idiot.
If tariffs are so great, why has Trump shown a willingness to back down from his threats if other countries agree to certain conditions?
Did this collection of words and syllables come of of Broheim's mouth? Seriously?
Whatever one thinks of Tariffs, if they are retaliatory tariffs, then they are definitionally going to be conditional. Drop your 200% Tariffs, Canada, and we'll drop ours. Drop your Tariffs, China, and we'll drop ours. Drop your Tariffs, Mexico, and we'll drop ours.
The editorial staff here, as a collective, seems ignorant of what is occurring. Oh look, a food truck!
Boehm can't be this stupid, what am I missing?
You're missing that he IS that stupid.
LOL! You need to repeal your tariffs on Boehm's stupidity so that you can import more of it more effortlessly/freely!
>>what am I missing?
untimed edit button. it's probably too late to turn your "can't" into a "can"
"Boehm can't be this stupid, what am I missing?"
Wait until you read what a bunch of the usual suspects wrote down here too.
Anyone who thinks that a trade deficit means that the U:S is being ripped off or badly negotiated trade deals is economically illiterate. Anyone who defends this illiteracy is either themself economically illiterate, stupid, or too far gone into the cult. And the latest nonsense, determining tariffs by dividing deficit by imports, is further example of staggering stupidity.
you should be Don Quixote for Halloween every year.
"If tariffs are so great, why has Trump shown a willingness to back down from his threats if other countries agree to certain conditions?" That headline shows breathtaking cluelessness.
An Insoluble Problem
This declining nation on fire finds itself challenged by an insoluble problem as a consequence of power-hungry politicians feeding the insatiable appetite of greedy voters for "entitlements". The chickens may be coming home to roost.
President Trump seems to understand that creditors want to be paid one way or another. Conversely, he cannot satisfy the greedy parasitic voters by withdrawing the largess that they vote themselves. Couple that conundrum with huge, annual trading deficits. What's a president to do?
Mr. Trump has chosen tariffs, which supported the government until the problematic ratification of Amendment XVI, the income-tax. It shifted taxing consumption to taxing production. Brilliant! To boot, it inflicted upon the productive populace an out-control policing force prying into every facet of every citizen's life.
The government can lower interest-rates. Consequence? Devaluation of the currency leading to higher inflation. Alternative? It can raise interest-rates. Consequence? Impairment of the economy. In Biobehavioral Science, the dilemma is known as an avoidance:avoidance conflict. For a discussion of Biobehavioral Science, visit . . .
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I wish Trump didn't have to wage such expansive trade war. But I value freedom a bit more than having to pay 30-50 dollars more for a washing machine.
Even before Trump, I mentioned multiple times here just how much Asian nations slap tariffs on our imports. Japanese car dealership is infamous for putting American cars in the backlot. Most of you probably don't remember the "mad cow hysteria" on us beef that swept South Korea during the Bush era.
We hold the cards. The rest of the world needs us a bit more than we need them. And we're talking about clowns who put people in jail over posting memes and threaten jail on "wrong" candidates who win. We pay for a bulk of their defense, energy, medicine and food. The notion that these countries get all outraged and won't reduce tariffs on our products, which would as "equity" in their DEI world, is nonsense.
Unlike Reason libertarians, I'm willing to compromise on a few things for the greater good. President only freed slaves in rebel territory -at first. The trade war may very well cost Trump in the midterms. But the days of the rest of the world treating us like their personal bank or orphanage is over. The libertarians had their chance during the tea party era, but decided to make immigration a wedge issue. This is how you lose, and we're tired of losing.