Pete Hegseth's Carelessness and Dishonesty Mirror Hillary Clinton's
The defense secretary, who shared information about imminent U.S. air strikes in a manifestly insecure group chat, thought Clinton should be prosecuted for her careless handling of sensitive information.

In downplaying the gravity of disclosing details about an imminent U.S. military operation to participants in a Signal group chat that included an accidentally invited journalist, President Donald Trump and his underlings have insisted the information was not classified. "You all know that's a lie," Rep. Joaquin Castro (D–Texas) told CIA Director John Ratcliffe and Tulsi Gabbard, the director of national intelligence, at a hearing on Wednesday. "It's a lie to the country."
Or is it? It was Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth who divulged information about the impending air strikes on Houthi targets in Yemen. The New York Times notes that "the president and the secretary of defense have the ability to assert, even retroactively, that information is declassified." When a similar issue came up in connection with the government records that Trump kept after leaving the White House in 2021, he said the president—and presumably the defense secretary too—can declassify stuff just "by thinking about it."
That argument was a red herring because the main statute Trump was accused of violating, 18 USC 793, covers information "relating to the national defense," regardless of whether it is officially classified. And since that law encompasses "gross negligence" as well as willful dissemination of national defense information, Hegseth arguably violated it by using a forum that was manifestly insecure to discuss the timing and nature of the March 15 operation in Yemen before it happened.
As a Fox News talking head in 2016, Hegseth alluded to the "gross negligence" provision, Section 793(f), in arguing that Hillary Clinton, then Trump's opponent in that year's presidential election, should be held criminally liable for using a private email server as secretary of state, thereby carelessly exposing sensitive information. "Any security professional…would be fired on the spot for this type of conduct and criminally prosecuted for being so reckless with this kind of information," Hegseth declared. "The fact that she wouldn't be held accountable for this, I think, blows the mind of anyone who's held our nation's secrets dear, who's had a top-secret clearance, like I have and others [have], who know[s] that even one hiccup causes a problem, let alone a standard procedure like this."
Section 793(f) applies to anyone "entrusted with" national defense information who "through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust." Hegseth was right that Clinton's carelessness seemed to fit the elements of that offense, which is a felony punishable by up to 10 years in prison.
James Comey, then director of the FBI, conceded as much even as he explained why did not think Clinton should be prosecuted. "In our system of law, there's a thing called mens rea," Comey told the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee in July 2016. "We don't want to put people in jail unless we prove that they knew they were doing something they shouldn't do. That is the characteristic of all the prosecutions involving mishandling of classified information." He said he was able to locate just one case prosecuted under Section 793(f) in the century since the law was passed, which he thought showed federal prosecutors "have grave concerns about whether it's appropriate to prosecute somebody for gross negligence."
The Trump supporters who chanted "lock her up" had no such qualms, and neither did Hegseth. And although he faulted Clinton for a "standard practice" that was "reckless," he also suggested that "even one hiccup" might justify prosecution because it "causes a problem."
It is fair to note that Clinton's security lapses, unlike Hegseth's, were part of a persistent pattern. At the same time, Hegseth's carelessness seems like more than a "hiccup."
Half an hour before U.S. planes took off on March 15, Hegseth provided a "TEAM UPDATE" to the Signal chat group. It included information about the aircraft ("F-18s"), their launch time ("1215et"), the beginning of the "'Trigger Based' F-18 1st Strike Window" ("1345"), and a "Strike Drones Launch" involving "MQ-9s." Hegseth noted that "Target Terrorist is @ his Known Location," meaning the first strike "SHOULD BE ON TIME." He added that a "2nd strike" involving "more F-18s" would launch at 2:10 p.m. ET and that "Strike Drones" would be "on Target" five minutes later, which was "WHEN THE FIRST BOMBS WILL DEFINITELY DROP, pending earlier 'Trigger Based' targets." He said the second F-18 strike would start at 2:36 p.m. ET, which was also when the "first sea-based Tomahawks" would be launched.
Classified or not, this was definitely information "relating to the national defense" that could have compromised the operation if it had fallen into the wrong hands. While Signal messages are encrypted in transit, the app resides on hackable cellphones, which is why critics question Hegseth's decision to use it for such a sensitive conversation. Ordinarily, such discussions would be limited to "sensitive compartmented information facilities" (SCIFs), which are less convenient but more secure.
Worse, we know about this incident only because National Security Adviser Michael Waltz (or someone in his office) accidentally included Jeffrey Goldberg, editor of The Atlantic, in the group chat. Although Hegseth was not responsible for that baffling boner, Goldberg and his Atlantic colleague Shane Harris note, "the U.S. secretary of defense texted a group that included a phone number unknown to him—Goldberg's cellphone." If Hegseth's text "had been received by someone hostile to American interests—or someone merely indiscreet, and with access to social media—the Houthis would have had time to prepare for what was meant to be a surprise attack on their strongholds," they write. "The consequences for American pilots could have been catastrophic." The Houthis have Iranian-supplied surface-to-air missiles that could be used to shoot down U.S. aircraft.
That certainly looks like "gross negligence." At the very least, it does not make Hegseth seem like someone who holds "our nation's secrets dear." His carelessness was not as persistent as Clinton's, but it involved information that posed a specific and concrete threat to U.S. military personnel.
After Goldberg first revealed the Signal conversation on Monday, Hegseth implied that the story was much ado about nothing. "Nobody was texting war plans, and that's all I have to say about that," he told reporters, dismissing Goldberg as a "so-called journalist." Although that defense seemed untenable after Goldberg reported the details of what Hegseth had said in the Signal chat, the White House is sticking with it.
"The Atlantic has conceded: these were NOT 'war plans,'" press secretary Karoline Leavitt said in an X post on Wednesday morning. "This entire story was another hoax written by a Trump-hater who is well-known for his sensationalist spin."
Hegseth himself doubled down on X a few hours later: "The Atlantic released the so-called 'war plans' and those 'plans' include: No names. No targets. No locations. No units. No routes. No sources. No methods. And no classified information. Those are some really shitty war plans. This only proves one thing: Jeff Goldberg has never seen a war plan or an 'attack plan' (as he now calls it). Not even close….We will continue to do our job, while the media does what it does best: peddle hoaxes."
Secretary of State Marco Rubio conceded that including Goldberg in the group chat was "a big mistake," saying "reforms and changes" may be necessary to avoid such errors in the future. But he concurred that "there were no war plans on there" because Hegseth's message omitted many of the details that such plans would include.
This semantic quibbling elides the point that Hegseth carelessly shared national defense information in a context where it could have caused real harm, which was the essence of his complaint about Clinton. His slippery response to that charge is also reminiscent of the Clinton email scandal.
"I'm not making excuses," Clinton said at a rally in October 2016. "I've said it was a mistake and I regret it."
Contrary to the implication that Clinton had been forthcoming all along, she did not manage to describe what Comey later called her "extremely careless" handling of "very sensitive, highly classified information" as a mistake until six months after The New York Times revealed her reliance on a personal email system during her tenure at the State Department. Until that interview, she did nothing but make excuses, and even afterward she continued to offer false assurances aimed at minimizing her misbehavior.
Clinton claimed that "what I did was allowed," that she "fully complied with every rule," that "there is no classified material" in the emails she sent and received, and that she "went above and beyond what I was requested to do." She also said she "opted for convenience to use my personal email account, which was allowed by the State Department, because I thought it would be easier to carry just one device for my work and for my personal emails instead of two."
As investigations by the State Department's inspector general and the FBI later showed, none of that was true. Clinton did not comply with every rule, she did not turn over all her work-related emails to the State Department or do so in a timely fashion, the emails did include classified material, her use of a private account was contrary to State Department policy, and she carried multiple devices despite saying she sought to avoid them.
Notwithstanding these manifest misrepresentations, Clinton falsely claimed Comey had verified the truthfulness of her public statements about the email controversy when he said he did not have any basis to charge her with lying to the FBI. Then she said that whopper was based on a misunderstanding, which clearly was not true. In other words, she lied about lying about her lies.
So far, Hegseth has not managed to achieve that level of meta-deception. But he is off to a good start.
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I can be sufficiently entertained here without you beclowning yourself
Clinton should be prosecuted for her careless handling of sensitive information.
You misspelled treasonous, dumb ass.
Republicans had Hillary’s email for months before they realized her email address and that was 3 years after she was no longer SOS…contrast that with Goldberg who didn’t believe the Signal chat was even real because it was so outrageous. Also, Kushner was using WhatsApp from day 1 to conduct diplomacy because you are dealing with foreigners that don’t want to be communicating on official channels. What Hillary did wasn’t even negligent because she was attempting to optimize communication in the Blackberry Era while maintaining FRA as every email correspondence with State colleagues would be in the State system. Hegseth was attempting to avoid FOIA (just like Sondland in the first term) while knowingly transmitting classified information which makes this gross negligence.
So how's that prison vegan diet working out for you Sam?
Remember when you would masturbate to videos of Lizard Cheney?? Shock and awe!! We got ‘im!!
Ok, sarc.
Sure, Liz Cheney was voted into leadership by Republicans in Congress in January 2021 because everyone hated her father. The reality is Republicans believed they were done with Trump and they would return to the Bush/Cheney policies with DeSantis or Pence or Haley as their candidate.
Pretty sure it's Shrike. It's too late in the day for Sarc to be able to see the keyboard or comprehend English, but Shrike goes hunting the playgrounds for stragglers in an hour, so he's still active.
I've had shrike on mute the last few months when trumps win broke him. Would be a different sock if it is.
Hillary did shit first and worst, so shit's OK if Hag-Smith-Shit does shit too!!!!!
Well this is retarded.
Signal was approved under Biden as being responsive to government record keeping.
Hillary used bleach bit on her server.
Fucking moron.
Signal wasn’t approved for transmitting classified information, dumbass. Why are the Benghazi fallen more important than the Manbij fallen?? I loved it when Trump declared ISIS defeated and then they blew up 4 of the best warriors and Trump didn’t fire anyone. Hey, let’s vote for Trump again to be president!! Duuuuuuuuh
What was classified?
Please show the Security Classification Guide or the classification authority you're using to justify this claim. Classification isn't determined by an Act Blue retard like yourself.
Meanwhile Hillary was found copying State department information and removing actual classification markings to send to Clinton Foundation and other political allies.
You've just gone straight for full retard haven't you.
Hillary was SOS, she was using email to do her job and for personal texting because it was the very short BlackBerry era. Email = texts during those years for people who had Blackberrys. Nobody had a problem with what she was doing for 4 years as SOS and for 3 years afterwards…it was only after the Benghazi fishing expedition that Republicans manufactured a scandal when texting on iPhones had become ubiquitous and emails were seen as work.
On the other hand, Goldberg knew immediately that something was wrong with what the Trump officials were doing. Republicans had her emails for months before they figured out an angle to attack her.
But the reality is you supported invading Iraq and you thought Dick Cheney was a great man and so you are just a partisan hack that gets self esteem from Republicans winning and doing dumbass things.
Goldberg knew immediately that something was wrong with what the Trump officials were doing.
No he didn't. Like you and Sullum he was manufacturing phony opprobrium.
Signal was cleared for exactly these conversation by the Bidenistas. It was deemed best practice by the same.
Jeffrey Goldberg is to Trump what Tucker Carlson was to the Biden junta. There's no way in the universe Hegseth or Waltz would have his contract info. This was a total setup. He's also got 25 years of being a CIA operative, since he tied Saddam to Al Qaida for them, just like Waltz's staffer who was the guy who put Goldberg on.
Unfortunately for Goldberg nothing wrong happened so this whole stupid "classified" posturing is all your retarded clown posse has left.
"Signal wasn’t approved for transmitting classified information, dumbass"
It actually was, fucknut... by the Biden administration.
But that doesn't matter because contrary to Goldberg's fib, the strike had already happened. Stop being so fucking lazy and read the transcript. If you had the capacity for shame you should be so embarrassed right now.
It actually was, fucknut... by the Biden administration.
I don't even know who I'm defending here, but this is likely an excessively broad reading of the actual document in question.
https://www.cisa.gov/sites/default/files/2024-12/guidance-mobile-communications-best-practices.pdf
That said, given that Hegseth holds Classification Authority, he is legally empowered to have decided at the time -- irrespective of the content, as I understand the classified information handling training I have gone through -- that said information was in fact simply not classified.
Created by someone at my level, it would likely have been "born classified". Needless to say, the Secretary of Defense has more leeway than I do in that regard.
JS;dr
https://www.cisa.gov/sites/default/files/2024-12/guidance-mobile-communications-best-practices.pdf
I don't believe this is real. A poker player preparing a table for some sandbagging is apt to check in 5-card draw, then raise if someone does bet, stand pat and bet high on a bad hand. If it works, he gets the pot. If called and the hand is shown to be at best a bluff, that is the price one pays for setting up the other players for some actual sandbagging on a really good hand later on. Republicans may be dumb rednecks, but they can afford to pay strategists to do some thinking for them. If an obvious tipped hand scares the pee out of a bunch of dumb jihadists, that's a victory jus, like when Libertarian spoiler votes defeat some looter, that too is a victory.
""What Hillary did wasn’t even negligent ""
The investigation disagreed.
""Gross negligence would seem to be a high enough standard to have prosecuted Mrs. Clinton — though Mr. Comey ended up not recommending charges, saying that while the former first lady, senator and top diplomat was clueless, he couldn’t prove she knew how badly she was risking national security."
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/nov/6/fbi-deemed-hillary-clinton-grossly-negligent-email/
He knew. I know someone who briefed Clinton quarterly on antiterrorism. Each time, he ran through her obligation’s for securing classified documents, and each time she gave him a verbal and a written assent that she knew her obligations. And he was, no doubt, one of many doing the same thing with her. ALL THE TIME. You have a Yale educated attorney, supposedly the smartest woman ever, reading and agreeing that she understood her duties to protect classified material. And, after that, she had the Effrontery to claim that she didn’t understand that what she was doing was highly illegal and treasonous.
In four years as Secretary of State, she apparently never used, even once, either of her State Department email accounts - the one for everyday work related emails, and the one for classified emails. Not once. Everyone, from her minions, inner circle, up to Obama, knew that she was doing this, and said and did nothing. Even Peter Strzok (who, trying to impress his girlfriend, Lisa Page, helped come up with Comey’s bogus excuse), and the Counterintelligence Division, where he worked, couldn’t not find a number of emails containing classified information, no matter how hard he tried. Then, they found that all of her emails (including those containing classified information) had been forwarded to the mail to her assistant and her pervy husband, who was kicked out of Congress for his pervy emails with underaged females. And that her illegal private private email server had been compromised, from the beginning, by foreign countries, and that her emails (some containing classified information) had been forwarded at least to one of them (very likely Russia, from the character set of the intrusion code) in realtime. Often, they were seeing these emails before she was.
Kushner was transmitting classified information over WhatsApp from day 1 of the Trump administration. Use your little lizard brain—State’s job is to communicate with foreign diplomats that don’t want to communicate via official State channels. Everyone else in federal government except a few generals that have open channels to adversaries communicate with other people in the federal government!! Hillary did nothing wrong which is why Huber didn’t prosecute her.
The 'blackberry era' was long over when Clinton had the server stuffed in her closet.
Nope, 2009-2012 was the BlackBerry era, 2011 was in fact the peak of Blackberry users.
It may have been the peak year, but they were still outsold by iPhone in 2011. Not to mention a majority of those users at its peak were not in the US. The US market was declining because of the iPhone and Andoird.
Which is irrelevant because iPhone wasn’t even on Verizon until 2011. And a huge deal was made about Obama getting to keep his BlackBerry in 2009 as president and so that’s what Hillary was working with.
Wow, which bad AI wrote that. By government law, you are not allowed to send emails to a private server. Nor delete. Do you want a picture of the message I get everyday?
Hegseth info wasn't classified you nit. Hillary's was (Same as Bidens in the garage)
Hillary did for 4 years and no one had a problem with it. Her private server was more secure then the State email system.
JS; dr
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I think it’s time to have both of them put to sleep.
I don't know. Signal was apparently approved for this use by the Biden admin. So it's not unauthorized like Hillary's email server.
This is one chat event. How many emails did Hillary's server have on it?
Anyone who has ever said "But her emails!!" can sit this one out.
One chat event, through approved "best practice", with no true specifics or compromising information, revealed by a staffer unbeknownst to the principle...but totally like Hillary. Jacob is such a dishonest Dem hack it isn't even funny.
"Jacob is such a dishonest Dem hack it isn't even funny."
If he had the capacity for shame he'd be at the bottom of a bridge right now. But Charles Koch has the fattest brown envelopes, and Jakes garage needs a new roof.
I wonder what will happen to Sullum after the Koch Kiley dries up? Maybe Sarc can mentor him on the severe alcoholic hobo life.
Hillary’s private server was authorized and it wasn’t a big deal until Republicans manufactured a scandal 3 years after she had left State. Signal wasn’t authorized to transmit classified information or circumvent the FOIA. Derrrrrrrrr, Trump said we can use Signal to circumvent the FOIA because he will give us a pardon! How fucking dumb are you??
Where was it authorized? For classified information?
Nothing in the chat was classified dummy.
It was so authorized that she had to wipe the data, after it had been subpeonaed, like with a cloth.
Nope, she was communicating with State email…do you know how email works or do men that give $5 handjibbers like yourself not use email??
She was forwarding State documents to non state employees after removing classification markings lol.
Trump directed his State Department and his DOJ to investigate her and they found nothing prosecutable…so take it up with Trump. But you can still hate Hillary as much as you want even if she was never prosecuted and found guilty of anything.
Well that's a lie. Everything had been destroyed by Clinton's own testimony.
They smashed the hard drives with hammers purposefully destroying 33,000 subpoenaed emails, they also smashed their phones and SIM cards.
She was protected from prosecution by Obama and Eric Himpton Holder Jr.
Sessions appointed a Special Prosecutor at Trump’s direction—Huber didn’t prosecute. So sorry!!
Shrike was running about a dozen before the comment paywall.
The squealing about Bush warpigs and Jesus freaks is the dead giveaway, but scroll down further and you'll see his given up even pretending he isn't and is in full Georgia pedo mode.
Huber didn't prosecute because Holder let Hillary destroy the evidence... literally... with a hammer.
That’s a crime, dumbass. And her emails to other State employees would be on State servers…which is why Hegseth used Signal for everything so nothing would be on official servers and so they could avoid FRA.
She wiped some of the subpoenaed data with a hammer if I remember rightly.
""Hillary’s private server was authorized""
By who?
It was 2009, so at that time the old senators and cabinet officials weren’t even using email. Hillary wanted to use a BlackBerry in order to do her job better and so they came up with a way to do it. It worked fine.
Who authorized it?
She did and nobody had a problem with it until 3 years after she left the federal government. Goldberg knew something was fishy immediately with this episode.
She can't authorize it herself.
Wait so she can authorize her own server. Who knew? I can authorize my bank to give me more money.
It doesn't work that way except in your deluded mind. Her not being prosecuted, besides destroying the evidence, is political.
Oh, and a sailor did the same thing at the time if you recall (Which you don't). He ended up in prison.
Except Trump ordered her prosecuted and Huber couldn’t pin anything on her.
Who authorized it?
He doesn’t know. His posts are about 97% bullshit. Some of the pronouns and punctuation are legit though.
No, it wasn't authorized. It was illegal - there is no one who can authorize that.
Who authorized Kushner’s use of WhatsApp??
I like how you are trying to deflect or change because you know you are a liar. Discussion about Hillary but you have to change it to someone else.
You want to discuss that fine someone not him authorized it.
I’m providing context. State officials must communicate with foreigners as part of their job…and so they must use non official messaging systems.
Sure your work because I can promise you it wasn't authorized. Period.
You can make up all you want, it doesn't make it true. Which sock puppet are you btw? I'm going with Tony
Signal is not approved for classified information. It can be used to set up meetings, manage staff, etc.
Be specific. What was classified? All messages have been released.
Why was Benghazi worse than Manda Bay and Manbij??
What was classified? You've made this claim multiple times.
For security upgrade denials, all denials must be completed by the SoS. Hillary denied security upgrades at the benghazi outpost 3 times due to political considerations.
Now answer my question.
As you might say. Are you too fucking dumb to answer the question?
So why didn’t Huber prosecute her??
I guess that's a yes?
Because Holder already let her destroy all the evidence. When the sim cards and hard drives were pounded into dust so the 33,000 subpoenaed emails could no longer be read, what do you investigate.
Answer who authorized her servers?
She did, and nobody had a problem with it for 4 years.
Be specific. What was classified? All messages have been released.
More salient to the point, who supposedly classified it? Who was the ruling classification authority?
I strongly suspect the answer is "The Secretary of Defense".
Signal is not approved for classified information.
This statement is probably accurate.
https://www.cisa.gov/sites/default/files/2024-12/guidance-mobile-communications-best-practices.pdf
The assertion that the information in question was classified is quite potentially not accurate.
Signal is encrypted. Government allows more than just meetings and manage staff on encrypted communications.
That's like saying Outlook can't send classified emails/documents. Hate to break it to you, it can because we do with encryption all the time at government.
But you be you.
Uh, FOIA. Duuuuuuh
How many soldiers did Hegseth get killed?
Trump got Shannon Kent killed with his haphazard withdrawal from Syria…and Joe Kent doesn’t care because he already found a replacement wife/mother of his children. Just like Ashtray Babbitt’s badass Marine husband…he had a spare hottie because he knew Ashtray would eventually get Darwinned out of existence! Lol.
Another sock sarc?
Pathetic.
Shannon Kent definitely got killed along with 3 other soldiers by a terrorist bombing at a cafe while enjoying lunch…Trump had already bombed our munitions because we no longer needed them in Syria. Joe Kent doesn’t care…he still wants to suck Trump off.
Get AA already you stupid drunk.
You don’t care about Shannon Kent because her death was a good one…Abbey Gate deaths are bad deaths. 😉
None of this ranting will change the fact that your family hates you for being a drunk.
Why is Shannon Kent’s death cause for celebrating patriotism…but Abbey Gate deaths make America look bad??
You don’t even understand what you’re talking about. You’re just sounding out MSNBC talking points.
Do they talk about the Manbij bombing and Manda Bay?? I’m only talking about it because you halfwits are obsessed with Benghazi and Abbey Gate.
"Trump got Shannon Kent killed with his haphazard withdrawal from Syria…"
Well that's a pant's-on-head-stupid assertion.
"and Joe Kent doesn’t care because he already found a replacement wife/mother of his children"
I sent his X account a screencap of this and a link to your post. I hope he sues the fuck out of you.
He’s a public figure. Trump’s incompetence got her murdered and Kent sux Trump off.
Yeah, dig that hole deeper, Shrike.
Hope they seize your pedo-van after the lawsuit.
You’re welcome to argue that in court as defendant in a defamation suit.
Good luck with that.
Joe Kent is a strong supporter of Trump. Trump killed his wife through incompetence. Trump declared ISIS eradicated and ordered a withdrawal. Mattis objected and resigned. Then equipment was withdrawn and munitions destroyed. Then Manbij bombing happened. That’s on Trump!
Uh huh. Cool story bro. Got any other yarns you want to spin?
Where in his question was Trump? You have the attention span of a gnat. Well, it's more you a dishonest POS lefty that can't debate or put too coherent sentences together.
The only reason he didn't get any killed was dumb luck. If the chat had gone to a journalist less scrupulous than Goldberg, American planes might have been shot down.
There are no ‘journalists’ less scrupulous than Goldberg. You’re just parroting democrat talking points.
Umm, he's so scrupulous he spoke up and said he shouldn't be there. To warn that others might not have a reason to be there. You know like we do at NASA in every meeting.
Oh wait, he didn't.
Really, knowing when a flight time is going to get soldiers killed! Uh huh. You don't know military planning do you or how to process information.
Your entire statement is utter bullshit, and not backed up by anything. You just hate anything related to Trump and seek to do the bidding of your democrat masters.
And Goldberg scrupulous? What an embarrassing thing for you to say.
This is a take.
By someone who is ignorant. Sadly, Sullum is ignorant of the basic facts. Like that the software was approved for use for this purpose.
Also that Hegseth didn't do this. But sure, blame him.
Also, the idea that a mistake in adding a person (and no one questioning who this person was) on an approved platform where records retention requirements were met is the same as Clinton deliberately evading records retention laws . . .
^ also this.
I still say fire the bastard that added the reporter. We have absolutely no idea if was accidental or intentional. Can't have a leaky ship like Trump's first term.
"Sadly, Sullum is ignorant of the basic facts."
No he isn't. He's paid to lie.
He knows perfectly well, but doesn't give a fuck about telling the truth.
I think the most important part of the released conversation is that in private jd vance and hegseth said the same things they say in public. The media thinks this is a scandal because they don't know what to do with people who aren't two faced cancers. Ie uniparty members
Or perhaps they ~wanted~ the leak to happen so the Houthis would think one way and not another. The media blowup would now mean that an entire new strategy is needed.
Or is it? If you leak a strategy that you're not planning to use, you arguably put the enemy on his back foot.
Mr. Sullum: do you know that this isn't the case? If so, enlighten us.
Lol. You're so fucking broken Jake.
Repeated, intentional violations for convenience is equivalent to using an app approved for government use, pre installed on devices?
God damn jakey.
Forget it Chinatown, it’s Jake.
LOL
Ha!
LOL!
Nice.
Or, no violations because her private server was more secure than the State servers which actually got hacked. And Hillary was attempting to do her job better because communication is so important in her job, it wasn’t just for “convenience”. Remember you preferred the 7000 Gold Stars Bush/Cheney created to the peace and prosperity of Bill Clinton because Bill got a B J while Bush was asexual like Jesus with his daughters even created in a test tube and implanted in his wife.
So drunk, so sad.
The Jesus Lover gave us 7000 new Gold Stars…what a patriot!! We have so much to show for those patriotic deaths!! Like more crosses in Arlington Cemetery!! USA!! 😉
Such a sad wet brain.
Seek help.
7000 Gold Stars!! Bush loves Jesus and wanted to appoint Miers instead of Alito so that makes those deaths good deaths!! Now Arlington Cemetery has more good crosses.
"The Jesus Lover"
"Bush loves Jesus"
Yeah, this is definitely Shrike, not Sarckles.
Shrike's the Youtube-tier antitheist nutbag with a petulant teen's rage at the skydaddy. He also tries to distract from his neocon bonafides by yelling about Boosh now and then.
Weird that Jimmy Carter was probably the most religious president ever though and Shrike thinks he was the best.
The “Lizard” reference below was a tell.
Molly likely got outed today when IQfree strawmanned me after I called out MG in a separate thread. Look early in Wolfe’s Roundup for my response then go to the Petti article about bombing. Could just be white knighting, but uncommon across threads.
Our echo chamber is being sullied!! Let’s do what Mike Pence did after he watched Magnum PI and had unnatural thoughts—let’s pray the gay away!!! Mother will help—don’t think about riding that Magnum’s macho mustache…think about 3 pumps in me to make a baby!!! Pray to Jesus you can do it in two!!
JS; dr
let’s pray the gay away!!!
Thanks for the exclamation point to my assertion, Pluggo.
Time to take you to the vet so you can be out to sleep.
Ahh. So you're just full of shit. Got it.
lol, you voted for Bush/Cheney!! 13 deaths at Abbey Gaye is worse than the 15 deaths a week Bush/Cheney averaged, right?? But that democracy in Iraq and Afghanistan is totes worth it!! Praise Jesus!!
The only neocon here is shrike dumdum. Lol. All those who were with Bush Cheney campaigned for Biden and kamala. Weird.
It’s just sarc trying out a new sock.
It's Shrike. Like Sarc he's only got a handful of trolls but they're different. Shrike is always ranting about Christianity, Bush and Black conservatives too.
Republicans in Congress voted for Lizard Cheney into leadership in January 2021. Kamala used Lizard Cheney to get votes which is fine…it didn’t work but might as well try to get votes without endorsing anything Cheney stands for.
So, Abbey Gate is OK, you're saying?
So Manbij bombing was no big deal and those deaths are “acceptable” which means no firings?
"I'm not making excuses," Clinton said at a rally in October 2016. "I've said it was a mistake and I regret it."
This is a lie she shouldn't get any credit for. It was a conscious decision that persisted for years, that's not a mistake. But at least we're focused on the correct comparison.
Right now Trump has too few people doing too many things. He needs to realize that and the next cabinet meeting needs to discuss building some process instead shooting off the cuff.
She was trying to do her job better in the BlackBerry Era…all of this only came to light because of the Benghazi fishing expedition 3 years later. Why don’t you care about Manda Bay as much as you care about Benghazi?? Why don’t you care about Manbij bombing as much as Abbey Gate??
Imagine being so fucking retarded as to simp for Hillary.
It’s worse, I voted for Pinrubio! Every time he lies his ears get bigger!! That means he’s been telling some whoppers!!!
Knowing you, Shrike, you voted for Hillary in 2020 and 2024.
He's going to vote for Hillary in 2028
To be fair, this is new territory. Most administrations don’t do much of anything.
Mirrors the way a mirror covered in shit looks exactly like any other surface covered in shit.
It's almost like Sullum does nothing but generate large piles of shit that may or may not have content within/beneath them.
KMW, did you read this? It reflects very badly on you and Reason for keeping this TDS-addled sh*t on staff.
Oh, right, I forget : clicks before integrity! The new Reason motto.
Free minds, clicks captured.
"Pete Hegseth's Carelessness and Dishonesty Mirror Hillary Clinton's"
This is, quite possibly, the dumbest fucking thing Reason has put out there since I first became aware of the publication. I can't think of anyone in government over the last 30 years who's been more dishonest, disingenuous and corrupt than Hillary Clinton, and although Hegseth isn't perfect, he's got a LONG way to go to meet that standard.
Then again, what difference at this point does it make?
Hegseth raped a woman at a hotel while her husband and children were in the hotel!! Respect! 😉
Sad. Grey box for you little fella.
Wonder if that is a Sullum sock.
It is weird that the last few Sullum threads have had new trolls suddenly appear to shit up the threads.
He would have motivation to defend his thesis -or- chaff/redirect to distract away from it.
A lot of content for a noob to just start posting.
And who pays to comment?
Think I'm with you on this. Has been a regular occurance for JS;DR
I don't think this is a newb. He came pre-muted for me, though I think I muted him for sealioning in a different Jacobin Sullum thread a couple months back.
Whatever. Clicks is clicks. Even if they're JS socks. That's all
buzzfeedReason cares about.Even if he didn’t rape her he still admits that he fucked her with her husband and children in the hotel. It’s hilarious because he holds himself out as a “Christian warrior” meanwhile he’s fucking married women without condoms a few doors down from their husband and children. Such a scumbag.
Mein Kampf is peppered with Bible quotes and Christian National Socialist homilies, as were most of the author's speeches. Yet YUGE crowds of mystical chumps cheered him on, carried his crucifixes and acted SHOCKED when the bombs rained own on them.
Yup, I'm through indulging them
Does that make fucking better knowing the slut’s family is nearby?? Or maybe he was so drunk he didn’t care….but he wasn’t so drunk that he couldn’t pull out his unprotected cock. Hmmm, such a head scratcher. 😉
Get fucked with a barb-wire-wrapped broomstick and die, asshole.
Next time Sevo passes out, somebody steal his glue bag.
Has to be a sarc sock trying to make someone look more retarded than he is.
Or KAR. Who is more retarded.
Or Jakey.
Maybe Shrike. Shrike has a habit of using handles like his.
What if shrike was sullum the whole time?
Go back through JS articles and look for commonalities in the comments. Speech patterns. Prevalence of socks/certain socks.
Or do something better with your life…like anything. I guess the 7000 Gold Stars you cheered on that made America less safe is making you feel something…it’s called shame! But a good cure for shame is just a little humility going forward…but I doubt you have the capacity for self reflection.
JS; dr
Hey bitch, talk to me when your kind show the slightest bit of ethics or integrity. As if de democrats value self reflection……..
Hilarious! Are there any other ways you care to be clown yourself?
Hi Jake. Nice try, but your masquerade isn't fooling anyone. Speaking of masquerades, what's it like pretending to be a principled libertarian while actually being a left-wing activist shill for the lunatic fringe of the Democratic Party?
Wait, I'm sorry...is this Jake's brother-in-law?
Poor Sullum
We should take up a collection so his family can pay to have him put down. He clearly He a rare form of rabies that is spontaneously contracted by extreme neo marxists when listening to Donald Trump.
If Goldberg had been able to keep his mouth shut he would have been the greatest war correspondent of all time. What an IDIOT!
I thought Trump was going to stop wars?? Or just stop wars involving white Christians and kill as many Muslims as possible. So long as we don’t sacrifice Americans to slaughter innocent Muslims like Bush/Cheney I’m fine with that…but Manda Bay happened on Trump’s watch so blowback is inevitable.
Trump isn't going to start any wars. The Houthis started this one.
Uh, it already produced blowback in his first term with Al Shabab in Kenya slaughtering 4 Americans and destroying $100 million in air assets in 2020.
Wow, Sullum only had to go back what 12 years to find a what-about-ism to try to paper over this mess. The fact is that members of the Trump administration were already using unsecured channels in the first administration. Let skip the talk of Hillary Clinton and deal with the issue here. Peter Hegseth wasn't qualified for the job. Trump should not have nominated him, and the Senate Republicans should not have confirmed him. That the issue not some story dreamed up about Hillary Clinton years ago.
That’s why I cancelled my WaPo subscription because you can’t try to be fair and balanced when Republicans are non-stop attack mode even attacking Biden when Trump became president with the absurd Speaker Johnson not understanding what LNG is while Biden clearly understands what it is and yet Bari Weiss and other partisan hacks going with the #fakenews.
In fact I believe the most impactful #fakenews was about the female Olympic boxer being a man because it happened when Kamala was rising in the polls. The Free Press even promoted that disinformation. So you see that even a right wing publication that presents itself as objective is only doing so so it can disseminate propaganda effectively when it matters most.
""In fact I believe the most impactful #fakenews was about""
Biden's mental health.
You mean when Speaker Johnson revealed to the world that he had no clue what LNG is?? Even though his district supplies the natural gas that becomes LNG and the tens of billions of dollars in LNG export infrastructure have been built in his state the last several years??
Yeah, I call bullshit. The only guys who wouldn't know what LNG is would be you and Tony, who thinks you can drive on unrefined oil.
Johnson believes we had an “LNG export pause” in February 2024…except we have data that shows we were still exporting near record amounts of LNG.
Eat shit and die, asshole.
Translation—I’m right.
Or “just took a huff.”
Biden signed an order stopping the export of most LNG you dumbfuck.
You would think, of all people, that Tony would understand at least some uses of petroleum. Such as petroleum jelly. Or some of the petroleum byproducts used in the manufacture of large black double ended dildos.
No.
Can't answer questions or stay on topic can you?
He’s just a desperate, retarded shitweasel.
What are the qualifications one needs for the job?
Don't say 'have the experience of a flag officer's because we've seen the shit former GOFOs fail to do while SecDef.
Don't say 'experience managing large organizations ' because you voted for Obama to be President.
First, I would never suggest that a former flag officer be appointed. In this country the military is expected to be under civilian authority. There have been far too many former generals appointed in the last two administrations. Generals head up the military and their place is the as the head of the Joints Chief of Staffs. The job of the Sec of Def is to support and direct a large organization. As for Obama he recognized talent and retained the Sec of Def from the Bush Administration, Robert Gates.
As for Peter Hegseth he has a history of drinking and womanizing. These can affect his job performance and also subject him to blackmail. So, we can quibble about the best qualifications, but we should be able to agree these problems are disqualifying.
A history of drinking and womanizing? So like Eric Swallwell who continued to sit on the intelligence committee after it was revealed he had an extramarital affair with a Chinese spy?
And as for qualifications, explain Leon Panetta to me.
HOLY SHIT - this is Peak Boaf Sides. I am unable to even at this point
This is utter nonsense.
Signal chat was deemed safe by our government and was used by the Biden admin. Hegseth never knowingly "shared" any classified info with anyone. Waltz accidentally included Goldberg (who works at a notoriously anti trump publication) in the group chat. While that is a serious mishap, it in no way compares to Clinton storing classified info on an unsecured private server. Since James Comey deemed that as not "criminally reckless", the left certainly has no moral ground to call for Hegseth's resignation.
When someone is ok with allowing thousands of unvetted people into the nation in the name of morality, we don't have to take their concern trolling on nat sec seriously. Where was Reason when team Biden leaked Israeli satellite data? Why didn't they ring alarm bells when perverts and bigots were discovered at NSA and DHS?
Hegseth and Tulsi chatted on detail regarding strikes on Houthis, who reigned terror without check for years. This is called doing your JOBS. Like securing the borders. Like brining back astronauts stranded in space. Ensuring students aren't terrorized in colleges for being Jews. We wasted 3 years on war and team Trump finally made some progress on ceasefire.
Yeah, you don't like tariffs. I don't either. But this isn't 2007 and I'm not willing to die on that hill. If Trump does nothing other than stop the war in Ukraine, humanity owes him a debt of gratitude. We know who messed up, adjustments will be made, and life will go on, not unlike the Biden years when nothing was transparent.
So a spike in fentanyl deaths to 100k a year in 2020 is “securing the border”?? You have very low standards…do you fuck married drunk skanks like Hegseth??
Fuck off and die, slimy pile of lefty shit.
Says a genocidal zionist who wears a glue bag.
Says a Hamas terror supporter.
This is based on the lying rightwing media's framing of the Clinton email scandal, not the facts.
I spent far more time wading through Judicial Watch's repository looking for anything to justify the neverending bleating from the GOP sheep about them.
The most relevant facts: Clinton set up a private email server to make finding her communications via FOIA more difficult. All of the emails were preserved, but those wanting to dig through them would have a harder time framing a request which would produce them. While there were classified emails, none of them originated with Clinton. None originated from a classified system, either. Many of them were declassified after the fact, which, along with her not being the originator, would have made it very difficult to prosecute her for them even if the other facts supported doing so. Which, as the DOJ IG found in his report on the Midyear Exam investigation, they didn't.
The Administration claim this Signal chat didn't violate laws and regulations regarding classified information is specious to the point of absurdity. They discussed weapons systems and targeting for a strike that had yet to happen. Anyone who wasn't a high level official in an incompetent clusterfuck Administration would face prosecution. The very fact the U.S. was considering a strike against the Houthis is the kind of information which gets classified.
The spillage isn't the only issue, either. The Signal app is designed to delete messages after a period of time, and Walz didn't remove that capability in setting up the chat. In addition to violating laws governing classified information and OPSEC, it's a violation of public records law. Clinton set up her system to make things difficult, not to violate those records laws. The fact Signal was chosen over a secure government network shows the intent here was.
How were emails preserved when she used bleachbit? Why did she remove classification markings? Why did Huma and others try to destroy their laptops and phones? Why did Anthony Weiner have an entire cache on his laptop showing Hillary deleted emails responsive to FOIA?
Huber investigated Hillary at Trump’s direction and found nothing!! Move on with your life…unless thinking of cankles makes your cock hard…sicko!
Well, this is hilarious.
I find it interesting that the MAGA twerps around here are using the exact same talking points - "but Biden admin said Signal was okay!!!" - and repeating it ad nauseum. It is almost as if they all inhabit the same right-wing news bubble and receive the same instructions.
Did it ever pierce the right-wing news bubble that the DoD - ALSO under Biden - said that DoD personnel should not use Signal for these types of communications? I wonder if anyone on X ever brought this up. My guess is no.
https://dodcio.defense.gov/Portals/0/Documents/Library/Memo-UseOfUnclassMobileApps.pdf
And besides, I thought Biden was the Worst President Ever who did horrible things and was just terrible. Why should anyone consider Biden's guidance on anything to be worth shit? Even if the Biden admin recommended using Signal - why should anyone consider this recommendation to be worth squat?
This is just spinning and coping on the part of the MAGA apologists around here. This is going to continue until they are forced into the position to have to defend the indefensible. Evidently, having a group chat on a FOIA-evading platform on war activities is not enough, deporting foreigners for nothing more than exercising speech rights is not enough, one wonders to think how far they will defend the Orange Clown. I'm betting that they will defend him all the way.
Trump said something to the effect that he has the ability to shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and get away with it. Our local Trumpanzees are evidence he might be correct. They're not bothered in the least by the open, obvious, and literal moves towards Fascism. The True Believers always assume they will on the "right side" when the shit breaks.
The usual Infowars LANhouse sockpuppets are again ticked off at Sullum for revealing events instead of kowtowing to the Splendid Blond SA Trumpanzista and joining the cover-up. Yawn...
Poor sarcbot.
Libertarians for state secrets?
I thought you retards are all for the end of classifications.
Well here it is!
I assumed it Segtheth they wanted to get rid of. Thanks for confirming it Sullum.
This may be the most Jacob Sullum article ever.
Have you ever fucked a married slut with her family in the next hotel room like Hegseth?? Did you use a condom or pull out and cum on her like Hegseth? Are you a Christian warrior like Hegseth?
JS; dr
Shouldn't you be in jail?
Why don't we ask Hillary Clinton what it feels like to be part of the family in the next hotel room? "Kiss my dick, Paula!"
Fuck off and die, asshole.
Lock him up! Lock him up!
SB-F; dr
he said the president—and presumably the defense secretary too—can declassify stuff just "by thinking about it."
Dunno about the SoD, but that's true of the POTUS. There is no vow, nothing about nodding to the east or anything else. If he acts as if it is unclassified, it is.
You are a stupid, lying pile of TDS-addled shit, Sullum.
The plain fact is that Signal is not a secure government communication system and that the information shared by Hegseth (who is wholly unqualified to be SecDef) clearly fits the definition in the statute.
The "mistake" was using Signal in the first place and not realizing that information does not have to be "classified" to require protection. Hegseth held a TS clearance while he was in the Army. He certainly should have known that.
As a rookie DEA agent, I did.
Clinton disclosed no information
HEsgeth sent it to a reporter
But they are the same thing
Funny that
Hillary had classified information on an illegal unsecured server. It must be assumed that hostiles had access to it.
None of which is true
But compare that to sending attack plans to a reporter, before the attack takes place
Really
you are just reaching
It's absolutely true. You are just uninformed.
You realize the desperation on you can be smelled, right?
The two events are in no way similar, and you'd have to be stupid to think they are.
This is essentially a difference of malicious intent and incompetence, at worst.
Hillary attempted to evade FOIA which is already scummy, and in the process happened to leak a ton of classified data to who knows who. That's weapons grade retardation, and it wouldn't have happened at all if Hillary wasn't so averse to even a semblance of transparency. She literally broke the law to hide what she was up to, and it only cost her the Presidency when it lands other people in jail.
The signal chat leaked one particular thing of questionable classification to a reporter who somehow ended up in a chat where they shouldn't have been. That certainly needs to be investigated for a variety of reasons, and probably someone needs to be fired, but in no universe are these two events even remotely analogous. Hegseth didn't set up a whole operation to avoid FOIA, they merely showed poor judgement on a single chat...and that is the worst possible reading of what they did.
To split hairs between frying pan and fire (sorry to mix metaphors), it could be pointed out that the information in question had nothing to do with actually defending the US of A.