Trump's Attack on the Courts Channels the Worst of Theodore Roosevelt
An unconstitutional act is still unconstitutional even if lots of people support it.

Theodore Roosevelt hated the idea of unelected judges stopping him and his allies in the Progressive movement from wielding government power as they saw fit. So Roosevelt advocated stripping the courts of their independence by subjecting both judges and judicial decisions to recall by popular vote.
"When a judge decides a constitutional question," Roosevelt argued in 1912, "the people should have the right to recall that decision if they think it is wrong." It must be "made much easier than it now is to get rid, not merely of a bad judge," Roosevelt declared, but of any judge. As far as Roosevelt was concerned, the Progressive movement "cannot surrender the right of ultimate control to a judge."
Sound familiar?
Donald Trump's second presidential term is barely 3 months old, and a Rooseveltian offensive against the courts is already in full swing. Indeed, the Trump administration began attacking the independence of the judiciary almost as soon as the administration began appearing in federal court. "When judges egregiously undermine the democratic will of the people," declared Elon Musk, the head of Trump's Department of Government Efficiency, "they must be fired or democracy dies!" "Radical left-wing judges are egregiously trying to stop President Trump from using his core constitutional powers as head of the Executive Branch and Commander-in-Chief," claimed White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt. "They MUST be reined in."
Trump at least avoided using the overtaxed word egregiously, but he did call for the impeachment of judges whose decisions he does not like. "HE DIDN'T WIN ANYTHING!" Trump fumed after Judge James E. Boasberg of the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia issued the order blocking Trump's deportation flights. "I'm just doing what the VOTERS wanted me to do. This judge, like many of the Crooked Judges' I am forced to appear before, should be IMPEACHED!!!"
There are many excellent reasons why Boasberg should not be impeached, including the fact that Boasberg's judgment against Trump is both persuasive and well-grounded in the law. Trump may claim that he has the unilateral authority to deport alleged criminal aliens without due process. But the administration's arguments in support of that sweeping claim fail to pass muster on multiple counts.
Under the Alien Enemies Act of 1798, "whenever there shall be a declared war between the United States and any foreign nation or government, or any invasion or predatory incursion shall be perpetrated, attempted, or threatened against the territory of the United States, by any foreign nation or government," the president may direct the "removal" of "all natives, citizens, denizens, or subjects of the hostile nation or government, being males of the age of fourteen years and upwards, who shall be within the United States, and not actually naturalized."
Trump invoked that law in his March 15 proclamation ordering the "immediate apprehension, detention, and removal" of alleged members of the street gang Tren de Aragua, who are allegedly "conducting irregular warfare and undertaking hostile actions against the United States…in conjunction with Cártel de los Soles, the Nicolas Maduro regime-sponsored, narco-terrorism enterprise based in Venezuela."
Except there is no "declared war" between the United States and Venezuela. And while Trump and his allies have certainly promoted the idea of a rhetorical "invasion" of the U.S. by unlawfully present aliens, that is merely a talking point. Such rhetoric does not alter the plain text of the Alien Enemies Act, which refers to military invasions by a "foreign nation or government." As James Madison explained in his "Report on the Alien and Sedition Acts," published on January 7, 1800, "invasion is an operation of war." The alleged crimes of the alleged members of a nonstate street gang do not magically become "an operation of war" just because the president says so in the hopes of unlocking extra powers.
Speaking of James Madison, he said that the role of the judiciary was to stand as "an impenetrable bulwark against every assumption of power in the legislative or executive." That description is probably as good of an explanation as any for why Trump, just like Roosevelt before him, is so eager to stop the courts from doing their job.
It is also worth noting exactly what sort of judicial rulings originally brought about Roosevelt's ire. The Rough Rider was particularly enraged by Lochner v. New York, the 1905 case in which the Supreme Court struck down a provision of New York's Bakeshop Act because it violated the right of economic liberty secured by the 14th Amendment. "The bakeshop case," Roosevelt seethed, had "usurped" the "deliberate judgment of the people on social and economic government policies."
Lochner did invalidate one part of a popularly enacted law. But as Alexander Hamilton noted in Federalist No. 78, "whenever a particular statute contravenes the Constitution, it will be the duty of the judicial tribunals to adhere to the latter and disregard the former." In other words, the popularity of a statute—or the popularity of an executive order—has nothing to do with its constitutionality. An unconstitutional act is still unconstitutional even if lots of people support it.
When Roosevelt attacked the courts, he did so from the political left. Trump is now doing it from the political right. Yet their respective attacks share much in common. It is a timely reminder that the independence of the judiciary remains of paramount importance no matter which political faction happens to occupy the halls of government at any given time.
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You didn't criticize Roosevelt when he did it you hypocrite. That invalidates your criticism of Trump and makes whatever he does ok.
Mmmmm, the warm blanket of familiarity. Cozy.
"TEDDY ROOSEVELT WAS LITERALLY HITLER!!!!"
The Whigs did it first so that makes it OK!!
And it’s all Trump’s fault!!!!!!! Waaahhhhhhh!!!!!!
sarc, you should change your handle to "StrawMan"
Stop using the tu quoque fallacy (appeal to hypocrisy) like it gets you laid, and I'll stop pointing it out.
If only you knew what tu quoque meant and how to use it, Strawcasmic.
Sarc literally shits out logical fallacies.
And he’s about to go into orbit……..
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/03/speaker-johnson-issues-warning-congress-has-authority-defund/
Glorious!
I'll believe it when I see it. Johnson isn't going to do shit.
That's not a tu quoque fallacy, you fucking retard.
How is this so hard for you to get right? I have never once seen you identify a fallacy correctly, which is somewhat miraculous seeing how well you use them.
You seem to think "tu quoque" and "strawmanning" means "people being mean to me".
And how often he uses them. A good 80 to 90 percent of his comments have enough straw to make Rumpelstiltskin blush.
Poor sarcbot.
Sarcbot runs on booze, just like Bender!
Like Bender minus the personality.
In Trump‘s defense, he did recently suffer from a psychotic break from having slurped down too many genocidal Zionist ball sacs.
To be fair, please allow us a few weeks to help him work through his issues before you overly criticize the man.
Thank you.
It would be funnier if it was actually funny. Maybe next time.
Win a few lose a few.
You lose them all, shitstain. You're a lame steaming, lying pile of lefty shit attempting some humor and failing at that.
As you did those 3 times in getting out of 6th grade.
Just going to ignore that it is the judges ruling for their clear conflicts, with no jurisdiction or with no backing in law that are often creating the issues? Why would we expect better from a progressive Leftist like Root.
"No backing in law..."
Citation needed.
Fake lawyers don't matter.
Nor do fake Marines.
Or fake shrinks.
Or real steaming piles of lefty shit. Fuck off and die, asshole.
Did they teach you how to prove a negative in fale law school.
Were you aware more than half of these TROs aren't on statutory construction?
Were you aware you're not a lawyer?
Not my job to do your homework.
And I don't address talking points generated by Fox News or other right wing propaganda mills and endlessly repeated here.
If you have a problem with Mr. Root's column here, then address it.
Does winning the popular vote entitle Donald Trump to win court cases based on popularity of his political stances alone? I have seen some variation of this argument in the comments on this blog since Trump 'truthed' it about Judge Boasberg. So is the comparison to Trump's claim of legality by popularity a valid comparison to Teddy Roosevelt's? Are they making the same type of appeal to popularity from the left vs right?? Does Trump's claim fail the same legal test of 'its constitutionally irrelevant if an action is popular to the question of whether its constitutionally legal' that Roosevelt's claims suffered from?
I'm just asking questions.
I responded to your idiotic post dumdum. So I'm responding to your post.
You don't even understand what a proving a negative entails do you?
You also can't answer a simple question demonstrating your ignorance on the subject lol.
Then you try to change the subject oddly. You made the same claim in the roundup and I pointed out Bondi and Rubio have both submitted arguments, but you remain ignorant. Weird.
The fact is these inferior Courts are often overturned. This judge in particular sentenced 70 J6 protestors based on a law the USSC ruled was misapplied. So this judge doesnt even have a good history of recent legal construction. Yet you keep implying his rule is law. Weird.
“It just can't be right that one district judge can stop a nationwide policy in its tracks and leave it stopped for the years that it takes to go through the normal process,” - Elena Kagan 9/14/2022
“Does winning the popular vote entitle Donald Trump to win court cases based on popularity of his political stances alone? I have seen some variation of this argument in the comments on this blog...”
I missed that. Can you share an example of this? Thanks in advance.
PLEASE! If the search function on this site works, please type in: "I didn't vote for Boasberg!"
So you got nothing. Got it.
I comment on various posts on this site and the companion Volokh site. Some variation of "Nobody elected Boasberg!" has been repeated in both locations. I don't live on this site and bookmark hundreds of comments like some no life dildo so look it up your damn self.
You know it's true for the simple fact that this site is infested with MAGA brownshirts who refuse to acknowledge Dear Leader is ever wrong and who endlessly parrot whatever the administration's latest rant on Truth social is. If Trump says nobody elected Boasberg so Boasberg can't legally interfere with Trump, the marching orders are clear and they are followed. Its like a fox news comment section regurgitation reflex here - only with less moderation.
"Nobody elected Boasberg!"
This is a factual statement that doesn't equate to what you claimed.
God damn you'd make a shitty attorney.
If it has been repeated it would be easy to find.
How does it feel that even the 9th is issuing stays on the injunctions you're claiming are good valid decisions?
"You know it's true for the simple fact that this site is infested with MAGA brownshirts who refuse to acknowledge Dear Leader is ever wrong and who endlessly parrot whatever the administration's latest rant on Truth social is..."
Tell us you're not a steaming pile of lying TDS-addled shit without posting that you are a steaming pile of lying TDS-addled shit, steaming pile of lying TDS-addled shit.
Sure your degree isn't in spiraling?
So a district judge can decide for the whole country. Who knew? So a judge can do their own research, make up their own reasons, and tell the military what to do? Who knew?
Funny, you don't comment about conflict of interest or overreach. Just oh no right wing! Oh no, Fox news. Guess what I don't watch.
Your from the windy city, so you are used to crime, handouts, and dem corruption. The rest of the country says no. You also don't realize that stuff that these judges are doing - like bringing back gang members or telling military to take trans, or saying the government can't downsize - makes your party look dumber and dumber.
Don't get shot in your wonderful run Democrat city
"Not my job to do your homework."
A request others prove a negative is sufficient proof you are abysmally ignorant.
"I'm just asking questions."
No, your just making a public ass of yourself.
Fuck off and die lefty asshole.
I'll bite. How are any of these decisions constitutional, Windy?
The one requiring due process for those sent to be tortured in a El Savodor prison is constitutional.
They are illegal aliens subject to summary deportation
Everyone is entitled to a due process hearing. We can not have people deported solely on the orders of the president for then there would be no restriction on citizens or legal immigrants being deported.
You mean you don't want Trump to have the power to arbitrarily declare anyone to be an enemy and then deport them to a foreign prison without any due process? What kind of tyrant are you?
Here’s Sarc with his first and foremost favorite dishonest debating technique, the strawman. Notice how he sets up a situation that has never happened and can never happen just so he can then ask stupid questions.
For such an expert-level strawman craftsman as Sarcasmic, it's odd that he can never identify it correctly when debating others.
>>Everyone is entitled to a due process hearing.
Not even close.
"Everyone is entitled to a due process hearing."
NO!
You always just think you can pull any old shit out of your ass, Tony, and we'll somehow never notice. People are entitled to due process, but not a fucking hearing.
You can't have due process in a deportation case without a hearing.
lol, you talking about due process is precious.
Cite?
This remains flatly untrue. Even low level customs agents can refuse entry and return to country of departure.
Democrats are the stupidest creatures.
"You can't have due process in a deportation case without a hearing."
That's a complete and utter lie. It happens thousands of times a day at airports and ports across America and has for the last 248 years.
This isn't HuffPo, Tony. You can't just make shit up and expect it to go unchallenged.
Poor Tony's never left the country.
"...We can not have people deported solely on the orders of the president for then there would be no restriction on citizens or legal immigrants being deported..."
You're famous for idiotic statements, but that false equivalence is trying to beat your record for abysmal stupidity.
Fuck off and die, lying lefty shit
Why were they sent there and not Venezuela?
Which one?
They are receiving the process they are due. You don’t like that. So you make up rights that foreigners simply don’t have under our legal system.
Seethe harder.
Oh wait, it’s going to get even worse for you…..
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/03/speaker-johnson-issues-warning-congress-has-authority-defund/
Lived in Chicago for 13 years...so...again...you lost me at "windycity"...
Do you have a degree in bird law?
He might. Although he’s certainly no Charlie Kelly.
You could cite the law that gives every judge the authority to override the President, 'lawyer'.
Reason: “unelected judges have presidential powers.”
It's not that.
It is that IN FACT many of these decisions are rogue judge decisions. And Trump is right to criticize them. We know this because when tested in appeals court they are continuously overturned. Some are not, but many ARE.
Reason has engaged in this "HOW DArE TheY ComPLAIn ABOUT TEH cOURts!!1!1one" attempts to silence Trump's speech because they DON'T want to take each decision, case by case. Because to do so would be to admit that there is more than just a blanket statement to be made.
On top of that, let's note that despite his rhetoric (which is often justified, as shown above) Trump has pretty consistently worked to AVOID creating a constitutional crisis. He has yet to outright defy the courts. When he has gone against the will of the judge, it has been a careful exercise to claim they ARE complying with the judge's orders, just with their own interpretation. ("Sure we will not deport any more people. That plane that's in the air? Well they are already deported, so this doesn't conflict with your decision"). Now you might disagree with this, but it is CRITICAL to understand that Trump (or his lawyers) is bending over backwards to AVOID undermining the courts altogether, despite these activist judges doing their best to undermine themselves.
Stop lying. You are not good at it and it just makes you look stupid.
What was the lie? Many if the appellate courts have already stayed the injunctions from the TRO saying Trump is likely to win the case.
I find the idea of legitimate competing interpretations compelling. Is there an equally compelling rebuttal?
Where’s the lie, MollyMAiD? These are indeed rouge courts and judges trying to force their influence on the presidency to maintain their and their party’s gravy train funneled to the NGOs of their choice.
Great point! You really showed him!
Hahahahahahahahaha
I love you Molly. You’re more of a lulz mine than Tony or shrike.
Hahahahahahahahaha
Did you see her comment where she said that government jobs are worse than private jobs but people still work the government jobs because they are patriots who love the country?!
^ Oh Em Gee.
Lol, no.
No!
Comedy gold. Maybe even more so than OBL
https://reason.com/video/2025/03/07/not-like-us-federal-employee-version/?comments=true#comment-10948384
Stop being stupid.
Not possible, sorry.
OK then, how about Judge Cannon, who was the judge in Trump's documents case. A lot of her decisions were overturned on appeal. Does that make her a rogue judge?
She was overturned on the Special Master appointment and she the media screamed that she should be impeached. Oddly Reason seemed cool with that.
While Overt can clarify, I don't think he's saying that a judge whose decision is later overturned on appeal automatically qualifies as a "rouge judge", but rather that Trump's strong criticism of these judges' adverse decisions does not create some kind of constitutional crisis or violation of the rule of law, especially if those decisions are later overturned.
It should be noted that tension between the executive and judicial branches goes back to at least when Jefferson was president. He was strongly critical of the Supreme Court for establishing its power of judicial review in Marbury v. Madison, where the Court ordered him to deliver a commission to a Federalist judge (which he had instructed his secretary of state to withhold since he didn't want any Federalists taking office and because he thought the undelivered commission was void as a matter of law).
"...While Overt can clarify, I don't think he's saying that a judge whose decision is later overturned on appeal automatically qualifies as a "rouge judge", but rather that Trump's strong criticism of these judges' adverse decisions does not create some kind of constitutional crisis or violation of the rule of law, especially if those decisions are later overturned..."
Whoever wrote the TDS-addled pile of shit is ignoring this entirely: ANY POTUS is within his/her rights to criticize a judicial decision, even if it is a SCOTUS decision.
This is the same idiocy as claiming Trump 'ran an insurrection' when his supporters protested in the Capital on 1/6.
Apparently Trump is not afforded 1st Amendment rights, cause Orange Man Bad.
" I don’t think he’s saying that a judge whose decision is later overturned on appeal automatically qualifies as a “rouge judge”"
I don't think it "automatically" qualifies, but it is evidence towards that charge. It of course depends on the circumstances of the decisions.
But in these cases, I think there is ample evidence that some judges are overstepping their authority and abusing their position. And being smacked down by a higher court can be evidence that is happening. And I think such abuse should at least be in the realm of conversation for impeachment.
Imagine any bureaucrat who used "the process" as a punishment for someone they didn't like- auditing them, and then bringing them to court, and then requiring them to spend a bunch of time defending themselves, only to drop charges at the last minute when it was clear that they weren't going to prevail. Depending on the circumstances, this behavior could cross boundaries from "within their authority" to "poor exercise of their authority" to "negligent exercise of authority" to "malicious exercise of authority". And I think in the latter two cases, depending on the circumstances, Impeachment could be warranted.
There is also a difference between one case and telling the executive branch how it can do it's job.
Let's just take the trans in military issue (Which I don't care if they are). The judge made up her own research, which they aren't supposed too. Didn't give the defense a chance to rebutt. Finally, military trials are in military courts aren't they?
So basically, this judge is saying that the military can't decide what their personal is.
Do you describe the judge for the gang flight wanting top secret information as not overreaching?
Being overturned on appeal happens. That's a great process. But a judge doing stuff for pure politico reasons is a rogue judge.
An constitutional act is still constitutional even if a judge says it's unconstitutional.
Roosevelt was right.
MAGA Definition: Constitutional is anything my orange fascist cult leader says it is.
Cite?
Molly's answer is to threaten to pack the Supreme Court, gin up fraudulent accusations of sexual misconduct to try to derail a justice's confirmation, and encourage violence against the so-called right-wing justices. You know, what Democrats have gone on record doing.
You have lost your mind.
Assumes facts not in evidence.
TDS much, MollyMAiD?
"iT'S a cULt!!!"
This from the guy who wants to force us to believe that men are little girls if they say so, and that if you don't wear a mask you're killing grandma, and that Biden wasn't senile, and that Tulsi is a Russian agent, and that auditing the government is illegal, ad nauseam.
TDS definition: the correct and constitutional thing is whatever is in opposition to Trump's orders and policies.
Fortunately, most people who bother to think about it fall somewhere in between.
"MAGA Definition: Constitutional is anything my orange fascist cult leader says it is."
Trump TDS cultist definition: If Trump does it and I don't like it, it must be unconstitutional!
Fuck off and die, and take your worthless posting privileges with you, steaming pile of lying TDS-addled shit.
"An unconstitutional act is still unconstitutional even if lots of people support it."
Likewise -
A constitutional act is still constitutional even if one judge opposes it.
But inferior Courts never get overturned at the appellate level...
"That description is probably as good of an explanation as any for why Trump, just like Roosevelt before him, is so eager to stop the courts from doing their job."
Except that Roosevelt succeeded in implementing progressive socialism with the collusion of "the courts" - the 1905 Supreme Court notwithstanding - and the "the courts" have only very rarely done "their job" since then! Trump does not appear to me to be trying to stop the courts from doing their job so much as he seems to be trying to stop the courts from continuing to destroy the Constitution and roll back some of the unconstitutional bureaucracy that Roosevelt and his successors imposed on all of us for the last hundred and twenty years.
If the role of the judiciary is indeed "to stand as an impenetrable bulwark against every assumption of power in the legislative or executive," then it has failed miserably and needs to be opposed.
“It just can't be right that one district judge can stop a nationwide policy in its tracks and leave it stopped for the years that it takes to go through the normal process,” - Elena Kagan 9/14/2022
Turnabout is fair play? What goes around comes around? Be careful what you wish for ... you might get it?
No, that would take many, many judges to embark on prosecutions of those who oppose Trump.
Hasn't happened, regardless of TDS-addled shits to the contrary.
Not entirely accurate. It wasn’t until his cousin threatened to pack the Supreme Court that the courts became allies in progressivism.
Still, I cannot overstate how Roosevelt’s attack on the courts and “unelected judges” is now the core of what every law student in America has been taught for the past 90 years. only when the left seized the doctrine being used against it does the doctrine become a “first step of fascism.“ I
these are the same courts that decided Plessy and Wickard and Korematsu.
these are the same courts that decided Plessy and Wickard and Korematsu because they were bullied by the president.
fixed that for you.
Oh, and that makes it ok for Trump to bully courts and judges because Democrats did it first.
lol yeah that was it
So every judge across the land is a check against Trump's executive power? You all are nuts.
I’ll remember that the next time I fight a traffic ticket
And here Sarc goes again with his other favorite dishonest debating technique, the false equivalency.
Poor sarcbot.
This whole tactic of reason pretending courts are without critique, but only when Trump complains, is amusing.
The Roosevelt scholars (David Beito, Mary Grabar, and Amity Shlaes) would disagree wildly.
BEITO How FDR Emasculated the Black Press in World War II
Instead of indulging in politically risky sedition prosecutions of the black press, the government relied on indirect methods of behind-the-scenes manipulation and intimidation.
MARY GRABARS would take Biden/Harris as the target
https://theahi.org/vice-president-kamala-harris-earns-ahis-mary-grabars-outrage/
FDR In 1941, FDR invoked the Alien Enemies Act to incarcerate innocent Japanese Americans nationwide.
And you compare that to deportation of Tren De Aragua ....absolutely disgusting
Wrong Roosevelt.
He didn't bother to read the article.
Theodore Roosevelt was furious that the Supreme Court had made up stuff not in the Constitution to overturn a law enacted by an overwhelmingly Republican New York legislature. The majority (5-4) opinion was written by a Democrat (who in fact is the last SC Justice appointed by a Democrat to be confirmed by a Republican majority Senate).
Harvard CAPS-Harris poll shows you are not only barking up the wrong tree, you are not in the right forest
Americans overwhelmingly support President Trump’s agenda.
81% support deporting criminal illegal immigrants.
76% support a “full-scale effort to find and eliminate fraud and waste in government.”
76% support closing the border with additional security and policies.
69% support keeping men out of women’s sports.
68% support government declaring there are only two genders.
65% support ending race-based hiring in government.
63% support “freezing and re-evaluating all foreign aid expenditures and the department that handled them.”
61% support reciprocal tariffs.
60% support direct U.S. negotiations with Russia to end the war in Ukraine.
59% support cutting government spending already approved by Congress.
57% support ending the ban on new offshore drilling.
None of that matters. Only judges matter.
Congress has the power to do something here, no? Isn't that partly what the Court's are saying? You are doing all these things based on a popular mandate but are bypassing Congress in doing it.
Isn't that one of the main issues in many of these cases? Things are being done via executive order vs legislation passed by Congress? Or ignoring legislation passed by Congress? Or violating statutes passed by Congress? Seems pretty simple to me. If the policies are that popular and the GOP has control of Congress then they are the people's house and they can pass legislation to implement the policies. By doing it sloppily through executive orders instead; the administration is opening themselves up to judicial attack. Which is a fault in the implementation methods chosen to achieve the agenda. Not the agenda itself. Or its popularity. Attacking courts for upholding the rule of law is the wrong target. But nobody will stand up to Dear Leader on the GOP side of the aisle. Or maybe the GOP Congress wants to cede more authority to the executive? If the plans backfire they would have a lame duck president not eligible for re-election to blame. If they pass a law and it backfires, they have only themselves to blame.
“It just can't be right that one district judge can stop a nationwide policy in its tracks and leave it stopped for the years that it takes to go through the normal process,” - Elena Kagan 9/14/2022
How is directly invoking a cingressionally passed law being created through an EO lol.
God damn you're arguments get worse and worse.
How are EOs that list the statutory minimum compliance creating something from an EO? Are you fucking retarded?
I have lawyers in my family. You don't write like one. You write like a kid who watches info videos on youtube.
Nobody here believes he’s an attorney.
Trump could simply say he will only abide by restraining orders issued by a majority of the SCOTUS. Lower courts do not have the authority and he should not be humoring their idiocy.
This is why they spent the last 20 years stacking the courts with bolsheviks who care not one whit for the constitution.
Not relevant. The constitutional nature of laws is not dependent on how well it polls.
Reminder me how many times you supported budens loan "forgiveness" again.
this is correct. Almost all the laws are unconstitutional and very popular.
The rogue judges putting injunctions on the spending activity of the executive branch are also unconstitutional.
The constitution doesn't grant the federal courts the authority to determine what is constitutional. The court unilaterally granted itself that power in Marbary V Madison. It may be time to revisit that usurpation of democracy.
Why have courts at all? All they do is get in Trump's way by challenging his authority and by giving criminals due process. Just get rid of them already and let the executive run the government. Make Trump king, like God intended.
So every judge across the land is a check against Trump's executive power? You are insane.
Yes, yes they are a check on over reaching executive power.
The key word here is “overreaching”. If the executive branch is dealing with internal executive branch affairs, then there is no overreach. It is only when one if the three (not four) branches of government tries to perform the job of another branch of government is there an overreach as here with judicial overreach into the executive branch.
Or executive overreach into the power of the purse of Congress. I think its spelled impoundment.
Might want to ask the authors of project2025 what that term means.
You might want to refresh yourself on how Congress appropriates money, or doesn't really by just throwing lump sums at the executive to parcel out later.
>>Why have courts at all?
judicial review is a fiction.
So is every other government power besides pointing a gun at someone and saying "do it or else".
ya ... shame genX wasn't always around with our middle fingers
edit: also this one can be cleared up right quick if anyone has the balls
Poor sarcbot.
Isn't the Constitution designed to be a usurpation of democracy?
Judicial review makes sense to me. The constitution is the supreme law. Courts interpret law. Why would the constitution be an exception to this?
I could be wrong, but I tend to think we'd be even further from constitutional government without judicial review.
Appeals to popularity trump the Constitution and the law. Pun intended.
Your pun sucks, Strawcasmic.
Prohibition showed that; then the 1932, 1936, 1940, 1944 and 1948 elections made Christian National Socialists feel it on their hides, thanks to the platform penned by the Liberal Party of 1930. https://libertariantranslator.wordpress.com/2016/08/03/liberal-party-of-america-1931/
I find the article unpersuasive. The statute can obviously be read to include an irregular invasion sponsored by a foreign government which Trump identified in the proclamation as Venezuela. You can certainly disagree with that reading but a single district court judge does not have the authority to order military aircraft to turn around mid flight. And frankly linking to Sullum doesn't help your argument. I could probably find a babbling idiot under a bridge in Chicago with a more articulate opinion.
A district judge can absolutely demand that the administration obey the rule of law and issue orders to ensure that they do. We have never had a legal requirement otherwise. Using the military is not a get-out-of-illegal-acts free card for Trump.
There are 4 supreme court justices at a minimum who do not think inferior Courts can overrule beyond the petitioning party, namely national judicial determinations. Fuck off retard.
The administration stated the legal authority per their interpretation of the law. A judge can claim that interpretation to be incorrect after a trial and ruling on the merits subject to appellate review. He did none of that.
That might have something to do with Trump rushing to deport them as quickly as possible at night. The judge was right to try to put a hold on the deportations pending review.
That might have to do with all the lefties forum-shopping rogue judges who think they are over the POTUS
Judge shopping seems to be okay for right wingers but not for liberals. Remember that one reason the Border was out of control was that a single Trump judge in Texas took away Biden's authority over CBP.
Lol.
“The Rule of Law” - like what the law actually says, or what the judge feels at the moment?
District judges disagree with each other all the time. What if another judge heard a similar case and decided that the executive actions are all fine and good and constitutional? What if 10 other judges do? Does the one holdout judge get to decide all national policy (at least until appeals)? Wouldn't it be better to fast track it to a higher court and at least have several judges confer on what the appropriate ruling is? Or maybe even straight to the supreme court, which is, after all, the only one specified in the constitution.
I don't think so in this case which certified the class of all people subject to the proclamation invoking the AEA (alient enemies act). So basically, if they are being summarily removed as members of Tren de Aragua then the claim would become part of the action already commenced in DC since they would be part of the class. Since the district court granted the TRO - nobody should be being removed based on the AEA alone (and it would be a clear violation of the court order if they are).
There are other statutes and authorities that allow for detention and removal of the same people. If the *sole* basis is the AEA, they are in the class. If its just run of the mill immigration law violations - then presumably the detainee would have to file a habeas petition in the district in which they are detained.
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Correct.
It was unconstitutional to use the military against Pancho Villa I suppose
How do you know it was a military flight? It could have been just a DHS flight? A customs and border patrol flight? A chartered plane with private contractors?
If the answer is "the govt said it was a military flight" and that is the only evidence then you are in fact demonstrating the problem the Court is grappling with. Same with "the govt said the detainees are members of Tren de Aragua" or "the gov of Venezuela is partnering with Tren de Aragua to conduct irregular warfare inside the United States at Venezuela's direction." Uh huh. Sounds convenient. Maybe its true but maybe not. Maybe drug gangs just infiltrate the richest country on earth because we buy all their drugs with an endless supply of money and users and its the most profitable choice for them to make? Nahhhhhhhhhhhhh
Lots of pontificating and maybes in your stunning legal analysis.
When these questions exist, and they involve article 2 powers, where for courts defer?
Immigration is an Article I power,
You don't understand. Trump is cutting government by ignoring laws that are in conflict with the Constitution. He's a very principled man and he's doing everything by the book. And if he wields powers that were unconstitutionally given to the president by Congress, then that's perfectly fine because you didn't complain when Biden did it. See? He's constitutionally-minded, and when he's not it's fine because you're a hypocrite.
No matter how much straw you have, and how many false equivalencies you make, Sarc, Molly is still not going to fuck you.
Yeah! And the bald-headed Brazilian judge who banned Xitter for "offending" the 90,000-word Brazilian constitution written by caudillo Getúlio Dornelles Vargas--then rewritten WORSE when Atlas Shrugged appeared in translation. Xandão's the only one (besides a couple of translators) who has even READ that sad result of Herbert Hoover prohibitionist fanaticism wrecking the nation's economy. And the Constatoochun says, same as in 'Murrika, whatever you can get a judge to SAY it says.
Not explicitly so. It mentions naturalization not immigration. There is nothing explicit in the Constitution that gives Congress OR the Executive OR the Judiciary the power to restrict immigration.
And the part on foreign relations dumdum?
Doesn't matter what kind of plane. Doesn't change anything.
If they're stupid enough to ban stuff and make it cost 4X as much to please China as of 1905, how'd they get rich in the first place? All crude, primitive and poisonous drugs misused today were legal as sea salt in 1904 America. Yet no violent drug gangs, no desperate addicts, nothing but distant whining Qing murderers ourtaged that "off with their heads!" didn't seem to be working on peeps able to return fire. Modern harmless drugs are banned precisely so as not to replace traditional looter kleptocracy dope markets.
"When a judge decides a constitutional question," Roosevelt argued in 1912, "the people should have the right to recall that decision if they think it is wrong."
It's redress all the way down.
Trump at least avoided using the overtaxed word egregiously, but he did call for the impeachment of judges whose decisions he does not like.
Impeachment remains a political decision, no matter what you think of their rulings.
Trump's usage of the alien enemy act is, at worst, the wrong way to do a right thing. If an "alleged" gang member is not a citizen, he should be kicked out. Whether he actually committed gang activity is a moot point.
Due process does not guarantee you a trial by jury. It just means all your right that you are entitled to you is observed. We can't deport anyone if one judge decides against it, even though the government knows he has no citizenship or visa? We've denied reentry to illegals who left the country for a short time long before Trump. Are you saying everyone of them should be brought back for due process? This crazy judge wanted gang members wanted by he Honduran government returned mid flight.
A question - if cops don't deserve qualified immunity, why do judges? What if one of them tells a jury to convict without an unanimous vote? What if lower courts do nothing as a senile man abuses the FACE act to imprison hymn singers but spring into action when Trump deports noncitizens? They do nothing as presidents form treaties, bomb nations, and even fund ACA without congress, but get all worked up over DOGE cutting less than 1% of government?
If judicial branch's reverence of law depends on who's in the white house, yeah, we have a problem. The branches of government are supposed to check each other, not gang up on the executive branch. Legislation should be introduced to limit how often lower courts can order stays on EOs without truly compelling reasons.
Trial by jury is explicitly mentioned in the Bill of Rights. Read it some time.
...then watch how juries are actually selected in redneck redoubts... THAT part ain't nowhere near th' Constatooshun.
For crimes. This wasn't a criminal procedure. It was a deportation.
How you could not understand the facts of this situation by now? These people aren't wanted by El Salvador. They are accused of being Venezuelan members of a gang called Tren de Aragua. They were designated foreign terrorists by executive order; the alien enemies act was invoked by a subsequent executive proclamation and they were summarily flown to a prison in El Salvador known for violating human rights -- without notice and without a chance to contest whether they are in fact Tren de Aragua members or if the alien enemies act was properly invoked in the first place.
What the fuck?
>>Trump's Attack on the Courts Channels the Worst of Theodore Roosevelt
ala Naked Lunch I can think of two things wrong with title
Before presuming things can't get worse in D.C. , recall that as surely as Trump moved on from the Mooch to Hegseth, Harding poleaxed the late TR by appointing former Secretary of War and President Taft as Chief Justice of the Supreme Court
OK Hank, it’s naptime
The poleaxe is an underrated medieval weapon.
JD Vance is wrong about the poleaxe.
Taft was sent to the Philippine Islands to murder as many naygurs as necessary to make thim quit heathen habits, accept gin and cigarettes as their saviors, and swear allegiance to th' starry banner iv freedom. "Underneath the starry flag, civilize 'em with a Krag!" was the populist motto.
SENILE OLD MAN FIGHT!
Ummmmm.... Complete BS not even close to Apples to Oranges comparison.
Roosevelt fought the courts to implement UN-Constitutional [Na]tional So[zi]alist Legislation.
Trump fought the courts to do what *********IS******** specifically in the Constitution.
Article IV; Section 4.
"The United States shall" ... "protect each of them (i.e. every State in this Union) against Invasion ; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive against domestic Violence."
Damon Root your not even making a comparison what-so-ever.
Your just rambling on trying to tie together complete opposites like trying to equate a mountain to a hole.
You are a blithering idiot. Naziism did not exist until over a year after Roosevelt's death. And i have pointed out in another post that Robert Bork agreed with Roosevelt's assessment of the Lochner decision. Are you going to call Bork a Nazi?
Nazism, or National Socialism ... Also known as: National Socialism, Nationalsozialismus, Naziism, Nazismus. (https://www.britannica.com/event/Nazism)
Just because the 'German' party of "National Socialist German Workers Party" hadn't yet come to power doesn't mean the very definition of a [Na]tional So[zi]alist never existed.
Izzat so? Christian national socialism goes back as far as the Ku-klux Klan, blatherer. https://libertariantranslator.wordpress.com/2022/09/19/kaiser-wilhelm-teddy-roosevelt/
The reality is that there is a mixture of items that should be halted for review and some that are being halted by activist judges. On top of that the John Roberts court is failing to reign in the activist lower court judges. He argues that threatening to impeach a judge is beyond reason-ability, but if you stop and think about it logically. If John Roberts gets his way, judges would gain power above and beyond the other two branches. Judges largely serve for life and even if they have to run for office, they often run unopposed and it's not because the are so perfect. There are lots of judges who have a bias against defendants and believe that there are no corrupt law enforcement or prosecutors. There are judges who put party first over the constitution and over the law. The people have to have a method to remove members of all three branches when necessary. It's not that impeachment is the first option, but it is indeed must remain an option.
I have learned now that it is unconstitutional to reduce the employee head count of the executive. Literally unconstitutional. Amazing.
I assume most Reason subscribers are either libertarians or lean that way philosophically. Let me be as clear as I can. The ONLY way individual liberties get protected in this country are rither by the courts ordering the other two branches to back off from taking them; or by armed mobs with more and better weapons than the executive branch can muster. Today it may be migrants, undocumented and documented, whose liberties are at risk lawfully or otherwise based on what the courts decide. Tomorrow it may be US citizens who oppose the president and congressional majority. Those who criticize the judges today may well be begging them for help in the not so distant future as the only alternative to armed conflict.
>>Today it may be migrants, undocumented and documented, whose liberties are at risk lawfully or otherwise
regardless whether undocumented liberties exist there is certainly no lawfully or otherwise
There are ONLY two kinds of people in th' wurrrld: thim that divides reality into two idiotic hypothiticals, an' thim that don't.
How were the rights of non violent J6 protestors ordered to Jail by this judge on a misreading of a law upholding their rights dummy? 70 of them.
"...The ONLY way individual liberties get protected in this country are rither by the courts ordering the other two branches to back off from taking them; or by armed mobs with more and better weapons than the executive branch can muster..."
Not at all true, and obviously posted by a TDS-addled Trump cultist. See, oh, Dred Scott.
Your fantasy of a pure branch of government is noted, along with your obvious idiocy.
Fuck off and die, asshole.
Your fake identity at least gets the EMBARRASSMENT part right. Anyone who writes what you did soulf use a phony identifier because you are an EMBARRASSMENT to yourself and anyone else who reads your writing.
As a college teacher I deal with young adults all the time and Reason/Libertarianism is beginning to DISGUST them.
More young liberals voted for Donald Trump than young conservatives voted for Kamala Harris in the 2024 presidential election
More than half of young liberals said their views on social issues have shifted “much more” to the Left in recent years
Young conservatives say their political views are informed by their own experiences, families, and religion — not being “brainwashed” by prominent influencers online
In the wake of the 2024 election, young conservatives are emboldened and more likely than their liberal or independent peers to feel comfortable sharing their views
The cost of living, jobs, and the economy remain the top concerns for young Americans
Most young Americans feel the U.S. should have a role — albeit a minor role — in resolving the conflicts in Ukraine and between Israel and its foes
A plurality of young liberals, conservatives, and independents agree that the mainstream media cannot be trusted
Most young people think the federal government needs significant reform
Sixty-nine percent of young voters say it is unfair for the government to continue spending that adds to the national debt, a burden they don’t want to be stuck with
YEAH, IT"S ALL TRUE and you getting teary-eyed about Tren de Aragua, and 1st Amendment, and college protesters --- THEY HATE THAT
As a clinical mental health outpatient counselor who has spent years working with both patients, their families, and their peers, I can tell you that you are quite wrong. Most of them care deeply about what has happened to the U.S. Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and the principles under which this country was founded as they perceive them as well as the almost daily injustices they experience and observe.
"As a clinical mental health outpatient counselor ..."
You misspelled "lying pile of TDS-addled slimy shit"
The Lochner decision was one of the worst ever. It was an example of judicial activism the authors of the 14th Amendment never imagined. Conservative legal scholars have long derided the logic of "substantive due process" behind the decision. Robert Bork called the decision an "abomination" as it created "a right found nowhere in the Constitution". It should have been overriden by amending the Constitution. The SC itself effecticely overuled Lochner in the 1930s.
While your asss is on fire you can complain about the weather. Very entertaining. Really, REASON is so damn irrelevant to the younger geneation. So Boasberg is guilty as can be. Now where is Roberts ?
"The public’s response to Judge Boasberg and his daughter reflects the more general discussion on the place of personal convictions and professional honesty in the court. With every high-profile case Judge Boasberg supervises—including those directly affecting immigration policies—the professional associations of his daughter become ever more important. And as Katharine keeps advocating for immigrants, it becomes more evident whether her work could affect the decisions made by her father."
Can Trump site a musical or movie for his reasons like the Judge on Trans in the military siting Hamilton the musical for her opinion?
Teedy: "Th' courts? I'd crush 'em underfoot; then again, not so fast!"
Teddy Roosevelt, running as a candidate for president, argued that the electorate should have the power to reverse unpopular decisions and remove unpopular judges. Donald Trump, as president, has denied the right of the judiciary to reverse, or even review, his decisions. These two are not the same. I've never been overwhelmed by the acuity of your analysis, Damon, but this one comes across as particularly bad.
"Donald Trump, as president, has denied the right of the judiciary to reverse, or even review, his decisions."
What color is the sky in your world?
Alan has his head up his ass, so he's not sure.
Fuck off and die Vanneman.
This entire situation brings up an interesting question; what is the extent of the judiciary's power and what is the proper recourse for exceeding that power.
Here's an absurd hypothetical: a judge rules that the president must in the next 5 minutes nuke Canada. This is clearly absurd and well outside of any judge's authority, but under the current understanding, the president has to do that or we have a constitutional crisis.
Unconstitutional?
A few points as follows:
1) The three branches of government are unequal by design. Only the legislative branch can impeach members of the other two branches.
2) The Judicial branch intentionally is the weakest. Its coming as Article III is not happenstance. It is a statement by the Framers.
3) "Judicial review" is not based on the Constitution. In his last days in office with the Federalist Party fading into the mist of history, President John Adams nominated John Marshall to be the fourth Chief Justice of the U. S. Supreme Court. Once installed, Marshall unilaterally declared "judicial review" to be the law of the land. President Trump has every right to challenge Marshall's proclamation accepted by almost every lawyer since Marshall. Lawyers — merchants of misery.
There is no surer symptom of TDS today than using the phrase "that Trump doesn't like" to describe whatever it is that the administration opposes. That phrasing is chosen for one reason and one reason only - to avoid mentioning the actual reason for the administration's action.
Deliberately omitting information is the predominant form of lying in modern politics.
The author conveniently leaves out the fact that the Lochner decision is currently treated as wrongly ruled by the courts and Roosevelt as correct in Constitutional matters.
Also, the amount of votes you need to convict and remove a judge is similar to what you need to pass a Constitutional amendment, so see no threat to talk of impeachment except the additional acrimony it creates in the public sphere. But that acrimony also exists in part because most people think judges have misused the court. In this fight there's no reason to instinctively take the bat for every single judge that gets criticism, as if judges can do not wrong, unless you aren't a critical thinker.