Trump's Reading of the Alien Enemies Act Defies the Usual Meaning of Its Terms
To justify the immediate deportation of suspected Venezuelan gang members, the president is invoking a rarely used statute that does not seem to apply in this context.

James Boasberg, the chief judge of the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia, has caught a lot of flak for temporarily blocking the deportation of alleged Venezuelan gang members under the Alien Enemies Act (AEA). As President Donald Trump tells it, Boasberg is a "Radical Left Lunatic of a Judge, a troublemaker and agitator" who is wrongly preventing him from "doing what the VOTERS wanted me to do." According to Trump, Boasberg's intervention was so egregious that he "should be IMPEACHED!!!"
A few hours after that Tuesday-morning Truth Social rant, Rep. Rep. Brandon Gill (R–Texas) followed through on Trump's suggestion, introducing an article of impeachment that charges Boasberg with "high crimes and misdemeanors." Specifically, Gill claims Boasberg "abused the powers of his judicial authority" by "interfering with the President's constitutional prerogatives" and his powers under the AEA, which in Gill's view gives Trump "sole and unreviewable discretion" to decide who qualifies as an "alien enemy" subject to immediate removal from the United States.
As Trump and Gill portray the situation, that understanding of the statute is completely uncontroversial. But if that were true, there would be no case for Boasberg to consider. Far from abusing his judicial authority, Boasberg is doing exactly what he is supposed to do as a federal judge: choosing between dueling interpretations of the law based on arguments and evidence presented in court—an adversarial process that continued at a hearing on Friday afternoon.
The attorneys representing the targets of Trump's AEA deportations argue that he is misapplying key terms in that rarely invoked 1798 statute, which is the last remaining vestige of the notoriously repressive Alien and Sedition Acts. The AEA applies only when "there is a declared war" between the United States and a "foreign nation or government" or when a "foreign nation or government" has "perpetrated, attempted, or threatened" an "invasion or predatory incursion against the territory of the United States." In those circumstances, it authorizes the president to deport "natives, citizens, denizens, or subjects" of that "hostile nation or government."
Until Trump took office in January, the AEA had been invoked only three times in 226 years: during the War of 1812, World War I, and World War II. All of those situations fell into the "declared war" category. The AEA has never previously been invoked in response to a putative "invasion or predatory incursion" outside the context of a declared war. That is the threat Trump cites to justify peremptorily deporting suspected members of the Venezuelan gang Tren de Aragua.
In a proclamation that Trump published last Saturday, he describes Tren de Aragua as "a designated Foreign Terrorist Organization with thousands of members, many of whom have unlawfully infiltrated the United States and are conducting irregular warfare and undertaking hostile actions against the United States." He says the gang "is closely aligned with, and indeed has infiltrated," the Venezuelan government, "including its military and law enforcement apparatus." He adds that "Venezuelan national and local authorities have ceded ever-greater control over their territories to transnational criminal organizations," including Tren de Aragua.
The result, Trump says, is "a hybrid criminal state that is perpetrating an invasion of and predatory incursion into the United States, and which poses a substantial danger to the United States." This is the logic by which Trump counterintutively equates Tren de Aragua with a "foreign nation or government." If you buy that, you may also accept his claim that supected members of Tren de Aragua qualify as "natives, citizens, denizens, or subjects" of a "hostile nation or government." But you would also have to accept that the gang's "brutal crimes, including murders, kidnappings, extortions, and human, drug, and weapons trafficking," amount to an "invasion or predatory incursion" under the AEA.
All of this seems like quite a stretch. Trump does not claim to be at war with Venezuela. Nor does he claim that the Venezuelan government has mounted an "invasion or predatory incursion against the territory of the United States." And a criminal organization, even one that has corrupted or "infiltrated" a foreign government, is not a "hostile nation or government" as those terms are ordinarily understood.
Nor does Trump's understanding of "invasion or predatory incursion" make sense in the context of the AEA. "As the Supreme Court and past presidents have acknowledged, the Alien Enemies Act is a wartime authority enacted and implemented under the war power," Katherine Yon Ebright, a lawyer at the Brennan Center for Justice who specializes in national security issues, explained last fall. "When the Fifth Congress passed the law and the Wilson administration defended it in court during World War I, they did so on the understanding that noncitizens with connections to a foreign belligerent could be 'treated as prisoners of war' under the 'rules of war under the law of nations.' In the Constitution and other late-1700s statutes, the term invasion is used literally, typically to refer to large-scale attacks. The term predatory incursion is also used literally in writings of that period to refer to slightly smaller attacks like the 1781 Raid on Richmond led by American defector Benedict Arnold."
Ebright noted that "some anti-immigration politicians and groups urge a non-literal reading of invasion and predatory incursion so that the Alien Enemies Act can be invoked in response to unlawful migration and cross-border narcotics trafficking." They view the statute as "a turbocharged deportation authority." But that "proposed reading of the law," Ebright argued, "is at odds with centuries of legislative, presidential, and judicial practice, all of which confirm that the Alien Enemies Act is a wartime authority. Invoking it in peacetime to bypass conventional immigration law would be a staggering abuse." That is exactly what Trump is now trying to do.
On the same day that Trump officially invoked the AEA against alleged members of Tren de Aragua, Boasberg, who had already issued a temporary restraining order that blocked deportation of five named plaintiffs, held a hearing to consider extending the TRO to a class consisting of "all noncitizens in U.S. custody" who were covered by Trump's proclamation. The issue was urgent, since the Trump administration was on the verge of flying detainees to El Salvador, which happened that very evening. Boasberg heard from Lee Gelernt, the America Civil Liberties Union attorney representing the plaintiffs, and from Drew Ensign, the Justice Department lawyer representing the Trump administration.
"There is a lot of law about what constitutes a foreign government," Gelernt told Boasberg. "And I don't think the United States recognizes [Tren de Aragua] as a foreign government. They recognize Venezuela as a foreign government. I think that's the
historic understanding of the statute."
Gerlent also questioned the government's definition of "invasion or predatory incursion": "We think the Court certainly can review whether immigration constitutes some kind of invasion….We know of no historical precedent that would suggest that straight migration or noncitizens coming and committing crimes constitutes an invasion within the meaning of the statute or the Constitution."
While conceding "there isn't a lot of precedent on this," Ensign cited the Supreme Court's 1948 decision in Ludecke v. Watkins, which allowed the pre-deportation detention of a German citizen after the end of World War II. In that case, he said, the Court "recognized the very broad discretion of the president" in deciding whether the AEA's "declared war" provision still applied.
Boasberg conceded that "the courts can't question the president's power to remove enemy aliens or even his determination that a state of war continues to exist." But he said the Supreme Court in Ludecke "did seem to accept that courts could hear challenges to the construction and validity of the statute." If so, he asked Ensign, "doesn't it leave open the [possibility] that judicial review is available to look at whether certain preconditions have been met for the president to invoke the statute?"
Ensign argued that such an inquiry would involve "political questions" that are not subject to judicial review. He added that the case "cuts to the core of the president's
Article II powers" by challenging his authority over immigration and foreign policy.
Gelernt noted that Trump is not "invoking his inherent authority under the Constitution." Rather, he said, Trump is "invoking a specific statutory provision [for which] Congress has laid out very clear guidelines, and I think it would be fundamentally inconsistent with separation of powers for this Court not to be able to review whether those preconditions were met."
After hearing from both sides, Boasberg noted that the case presents "hard questions, close questions, and particularly hard questions on the expedited time frame that
we are talking about here." But he said the plaintiffs had "certainly presented a serious
question that this is justiciable because it's outside of what Ludecke talked about." He thought they had made a plausible case that "the AEA does not provide a basis for the president's proclamation given that the terms invasion and predatory incursion really relate to hostile acts perpetrated by enemy nations and commensurate to war." The plaintiffs also had plausibly argued that "the terms nation and government do not apply to non-state actors like criminal gangs."
Based on the arguments presented at that point, Boasberg said, "I don't think the AEA provides a basis for removal under this proclamation." But he emphasized the preliminary nature of his order, which was aimed at preventing "irreparable harm" to the plaintiffs while the case was pending. In the meantime, he noted, the plaintiffs would remain in custody, which should be sufficient to address the government's public safety concerns.
Boasberg issued a TRO that applies to "all noncitizens in U.S. custody who are subject to the March 15, 2025, Presidential Proclamation entitled 'Invocation of the Alien Enemies Act Regarding the Invasion of The United States by Tren De Aragua' and its implementation." He told Ensign what that meant: "Any plane containing these folks that is going to take off or is in the air needs to be returned to the United States….However that's accomplished, whether turning around a plane or not embarking anyone on the plane…I leave to you. But this is something that you need to make sure is complied with immediately."
Since then, Boasberg has been trying to figure out whether the Trump administration deliberately defied that order. That question hinges on the exact timing of the flights to El Salvador, where the deportees have been imprisoned. "The government is not being terribly cooperative at this point," Boasberg said at Friday's hearing, "but I will get to the bottom of whether they violated my order and who was responsible."
The flights that concern Boasberg did not include the five named plaintiffs, but they did include other Venezuelans covered by the broader TRO. On Monday, the White House described all of the deportees as "ruthless terrorist gang members," quoting a long list of Republican politicians who likewise welcomed Trump's effort to rid the country of "violent criminals," "rapists," "terrorists," "drug dealers," and "Tren de Aragua savages." But at least four of the named plaintiffs are asylum seekers who insist they are not in fact Tren De Aragua members. Two of them say they were identified as such based on nothing more than their nationality and misunderstood tattoos.
As Reason's Eric Boehm notes, those claims underline the importance of the due process that Trump is trying to avoid by invoking the AEA. At Friday's hearing, The New York Times reports, Boasberg "said he was concerned not only that President Trump has sought to use the [AEA] when there was neither an invasion taking place nor a declared state of war, but also that the people the government has sought to deport have no way of contesting whether they are actually gang members." He noted that "the policy ramifications of this are incredibly troublesome and problematic and concerning."
Those "policy ramifications," Trump argues, are beyond Boasberg's purview. But the central question presented by this case is whether Trump is acting within his authority under the AEA. The answer is far less clear than he and his allies imply.
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I'm impressed! Reason writers have managed recently to twist logic and the plain English language into even more tortured legal constructions than even Federal judges and the Supreme Court have proven capable of doing! If Boasberg is doing "exactly what he is supposed to be doing" then Judges are supposed to prejudge the matters that come before them and rule according to their own personal moral principles. No doubt they have been doing that - a lot - for a very long time but "it's quite a stretch" to conclude that they SHOULD be doing that. I have not been impressed with the outcomes when politicians interpret the laws "the usual way" so perhaps it is time that some politicians experiment with unusual interpretations in a good cause?
It's easy when you just accept the opinion of the Brennan Center of Justice and a corrupt judge instead of reading the prior USSC holding.
Exactly, sweet cheeks. Even easier when you recognize that any judicial decision Trump feels is contrary to his own opinion came from a corrupt judicial terrorist!
You are fairly retarded aren't you? Did you not even learn to look at primary sources? Are all your ideas spoon fed to you? Mommy help tie your shoes?
Such a retarded thought given how many of these judges get overturned at the next level lol.
You do realize that 75% of democrats think the judge should be impeached.
BTW, what decision has Trump violated? Answer - none. He could but his team has bent over backwards to not. Can't say that about the Dems can you. Biden "I don't care about what the Supreme Court says"
Chase Oliver is gay, according to Sarckles
https://www.ebar.com/story/335181/redirect/News/
Gay Libertarian Chase Oliver offers alternative to Trump, Harris
I for one would be QUITE happy, even ecstatically gay, if Mr. Oliver would somehow miraculously Chase Trump right to the Dump, where Dear Leader belongs, and REPLACE the TrumptatorShit, becumming our NEW Potus! Hump Trump all the way to the Dump, I say, whether the humping is done in a gay manure, a happy manner, ecstasies of jismism, or twatever!
He loves kissing men in the rain.
I just found the next perfectly innocent little scholar that Reason will be defending.
https://thepostmillennial.com/trump-admin-revokes-visa-of-cornell-student-that-took-cue-from-the-armed-resistance-in-palestine-called-for-americas-destruction
"The visa of Cornell University graduate student Momodou Taal has been revoked by the Trump administration. Taal, a British and Gambian dual national who began studying in at the school in 2022 on an F-1 student visa, has repeatedly called for the destruction of the US and for terrorism against Israel."
"Repeatedly called for the destruction of the US"? So what, that is the goal of the MAGA movement and we can't deport them.
Molly is retarded.
Too dishonest to be retarded.
Tony, in which landfill would you like to be deposited? It appears that time is running out for you and your fellow travelers.
Molly you really should be taking your meds.
After a number of years on this site I've come to the conclusion that sullivan writes silly articles to drive traffic and clicks. I guess this is what the libertarian party has come to, click bait.
Trump like Biden have never been particularly concerned with actual definitions. All of us get lazy and do that at times but these two have made careers out of doing so.
Some of us are, and we recognize you as a TDS-addled slimy pile of lefty shit who needs to fuck off and die.
That all you got fag?
Shouldn't Biden's autopen operator be arrested as well - for their role aiding and abetting an army of alien invaders? For conspiring against the United States?
JS;dr
The headline alone was sufficient to know that the article itself would undoubtedly be filled with inane gibbering.
JS;dr
JS; dr
Chumpy-Chump; DNC (Does Not Cumpute!)
tr;dr
Ask squirrel about his website. He’s hoping gibberish becomes viral in 2025.
I wonder if Biden is a subscriber.
Well, fellow shit-eater, so it's likely.
Boil it in acid.
Actually on the street he/she is known as chumpy-rumpy-bumpy.
Last night, your mom told me you’d act like a juvenile ass. At least I think she was talking to me. There were a lot of men in that hotel room with her.
JS;tr;dr
JS;tr;dr
Another plea for calm, civilized, standard legal and social process. Sounds Reasonable (Ha!) until you realize that those standard processes gave us the gigantic immigration cluster-fuck we have, and would never dare change things.
JS;dr
VD;dr. VD (Venereal Disease) is some BAD shit! Go see the Dr. if you've got the VD!!! THAT is why I say VD;dr.!!!
If only Trump were the great, principled leader that his follows seem to believe rather than the imbecilic authoritarian he repeatedly proves himself to be.
Trump "I will deport illegals and visitors that hate America"
Wins an election and does what he said he would do
Dems "trump is an unpricipaled liar"
Leftists are a hive-mind, they aren’t even conscious.
Nor are they truly human. Just soulless things.
Yes he's such a Hitler/authoritarian by...dismantling the government power. Oh and upholding the Constitution. Wow!
So some of you wont' read a JS article but evidently are willing to take the trouble of going to the comments section jusy to post "JS:dr" What sad little men you are.
We know what he says without reading the article. It's because sullum is a holier than thou pos Marxist. He literally repeats the latestes dem talking points so much the commenters use to say "the dems are saying this we will see a sullum article about it soon"
Fine - but why go to the bother of opening the article page and posting a comment....?
And Sullum's not wrong here, fwiw, though to the cultists, any article disagreeing with Krasnov is automatically wrong. Der Fuhrer macht rechts.
Sullum is wrong. As are you. You’re almost always wrong.
Do you not see the pattern? Or are you really that delusional?
And some of you were banned for posting child porn links and come to white knight bad takes.
"What sad little men you are."
What a conceited pile of ignorant lefty shit you are. Fuck off and die, asshole.
Hey sullum join them, or invite them into your house, and sell off all of your assets to help their defence. You are a keyboard fighter with nk morals and no brains.
Until Trump took office in January, the AEA had been invoked only three times in 226 years: during the War of 1812, World War I, and World War II. All of those situations fell into the "declared war" category.
And none of which involved the asymmetrical warfare these countries are engaged in against us now.
Which, I'M JUST SAYING, if we took the fight to them to... y'know, wipe out all their leadership and conquer their populations as new and protected Americans, it would solve a LOT of this problem.
Yea, we're not at "declared war" with Venezuela, or China, or Iran, or Russia, or NK, or Mexico, or Yemen, or "Palestine," or Ukraine, or Afghanistan, or France. But we are absolutely at de facto war with them, whether you want to admit it or not. (I'll give Canada a pass because they are no threat whatsoever to anyone.)
And what they are doing - either themselves or by proxy states - are sending in enemy combatants. They mix 'em up real nice with the "women and children" so it's hard to tell and harder to criticize (and gives people like you a chance at exercising toxic empathy) - but it's PRECISELY what they're doing.
But you don't want to hear the whole "conquer them with overwhelming force" thing, so you get this AEA instead. Beggars can't be choosers. Accept that this is happening, that it SHOULD happen, and that clearly Trump 2.0 is not going to be stopped in doing so as he carries out the will of the American people.
If you jumped this border, we're coming for you. We'll start with the really bad guys first, but don't pretend for a second that anyone else (including their anchor babies) is off the table. This is happening, and there's nothing that will stop it.
Tom Homan, is that you?? Because you are parroting his words which also parrot Stephen Miller's words. Did you see the other day that Trump is now saying he didn't even sign the proclamation invoking the alien enemies act??
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5208799-donald-trump-deportation-flights-alien-enemies-act/
The same people crying about Biden's autopen are deathly silent when their King has a moment of dementia.
Hey windycittifaggot you should move to a new neighborhood, I recomend Roseland, or austin
Nobody CARES, windy! What don't you get about this?
America wants the border jumpers OUT. They do NOT care even slightly how that is accomplished anymore. They want the terrorist sympathizers OUT. They do NOT care even slightly how that is accomplished anymore.
They done pushed too far, windy. That's why they and their benefactors now rely on toxic empathy to rationalize all this. But it doesn't work because nobody cares anymore. We graciously offered an inch, and they took a mile. We compassionately welcomed those in true need, and it was exploited. We charitably provided a hand-up, and and they bit that very same hand and tried to take the arm.
Now we put them down. Hard.
GET over it. This IS happening, and it's NOT going to stop, no matter how much mewling little pissants like you and Reason do about it.
Calm down Himler. The thousand year Reich can still exist in your MAGA fantasies.
I don't think even this US Sup Ct is going to allow this obvious executive overreach. Given how fond of history and tradition they are; there shouldn't be much doubt that this invocation of the alien enemies act is not like the other three. When people start asking questions about how this invocation compares to others, Trump's incompetent DOJ is not going to be able to stomp and whine their way to a legal victory.
Oh, and straight to the Nazi thing. You leftists are nothing if not entirely predictable.
Do you not get how dead that schtick is?
When people start asking questions about how this invocation compares to others, Trump's incompetent DOJ is not going to be able to stomp and whine their way to a legal victory.
And nobody will care, because all the illegals will have already been deported - ready to live out a much better life in El Salvador than whatever country-of-origin they were alleging they needed "amnesty" from.
In fact, I kinda think it would be hilarious at this point, to find a border jumping scumbag criminal who has no right to be here and should be forcibly removed immediately, and offer them the choice: El Salvador, or your COO. I wonder - I truly wonder - how many would pick their COO. And what that would imply about their OBVIOUSLY BOGUS "amnesty" claims.
You are being EXPLOITED by these people, windy. I don't know why you accept their lies, I don't know why you allow them to make you a cuck, I don't know why you go to bat for these scumbags whose very first act in America is a criminal one.
But you know what, we're getting rid of them. And that's really all that matters to anyone. Except you, clown world.
El Salvador prison is a gulag that violates basic human rights on a daily basis. So if you are morally okay with sending human beings to a human torture factory, that tells me all I need to know about you.
It doesn't matter if they are members of a gang and are criminals or amnesty seekers & innocent soccer players. Because the administration is skipping basic due process, there is no way to distinguish one group from the other. The U.S. govt is deliberately sending people to be physically and psychologically abused which makes the US Govt complicit in human rights abuse. Full stop.
The MAGA's in charge are clueless monsters. And yes, their dehumanizing language describing the people and the fact that they are literally and proudly sending them to a torture camp does in fact justify a nazi reference. There are other historical examples; all from other authoritarian murderous regimes. Would you prefer a Pinochet reference? N Korea? Is that what the US has reduced itself ethically to? The worst regimes ever to have blighted the planet? WAY TO GO!
El Salvador prison is a gulag that violates basic human rights on a daily basis.
Is it better or worse than the life they "fled" in Venezuela?
Also, it's a pretty effective deterrent when it comes to jumping the border and spitting in our faces the moment their toe touches American soil. Especially if they're coming intent on exploiting our grace and with a plan to commit personal/property crimes.
The MAGA's in charge are clueless monsters.
What is Tren de Aragua? And MS-13?
And yes, their dehumanizing language describing the people and the fact that they are literally and proudly sending them to a torture camp does in fact justify a nazi reference.
You never responded to my idea of them getting the choice. And I know why you didn't. Because if we gave them the choice, especially based on your characterization of El Salvador, you KNOW they'd choose Venezuela.
Which means ALL the "amnesty" and "refugee" rhetoric nonsense that you oh-so-benevolent (with everyone else's stuff) leftists rely exclusively on to "humanize" people who were emptied out of third-world prisons and sent north, to come here to rape and kill and terrorize your own countrymen.
Because you know you can't defend them on their "merits," and you know that if you offer them that choice, your ENTIRE NARRATIVE on the subject of border jumping criminal psychopaths immediately falls right on its face.
There are other historical examples; all from other authoritarian murderous regimes.
And tell me windy, suppose all those murderous authoritarians were illegally crossing into America and setting up shop. Heck, let's use ACTUAL NAZIS as an example.
How many actual nazis - literally, the goose-stepping book-burning genocidal master race Third Reich folks who spent the last decade or so rounding up innocent families and putting them on trains to death camps - how many do you want illegally crossing into America and doing whatever it is Nazis do with brazen impunity? What would you say about a political demographic that then pretends they're "poor huddled masses" and gifting them with prepaid cards full of (borrowed) American tax dollars and pointing them to free education and healthcare. Would you say that such a demographic would HAVE to be completely insane? I mean, we're talking about ACTUAL Nazis. The guys in the SS uniforms, who openly wear those uniforms while they're here.
And what would you say about a media that slants narratives and distorts truth to, inexplicably, try to make them seem like the good guys and you the bad guy because you have the audacity to... wait for it... hate actual nazis?
What would you say to some punk named "blusterytownlawyer" who's in here whining about them and their "rights" as they're rightfully being rounded up and sent to who the f cares?
Because I know what I'd say. See above.
Yawnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
Why are you spending so much time defending your govt engaging in human rights abuses? There isn't a debate on the ethics or morals of it. They were in our custody and we knowingly transferred them to a location that takes pride in abusing human beings. Our govt is complicit in the abuse that happens.
The Courts will sort out the legalities of it but regardless of what the Court rules - there is an ethical dimension involved. And Rubio, and Trump and Bondi and every member of the administration failed.
You dumbfucks don't seem to realize that people like me aren't defending MS-13 or other gangs. We are opposing authoritarian abuse, human rights violations & constitutional violations. Trump has already posted publicly about sending US citizens charged with vandalizing Tesla's there as well. You can then spill 1,000words about defending that and make up more excuses to ignore facing the actual fundamental legal issues these scenarios present. The Courts will sort it out in the end and the administration is going to lose then MAGA will just scream about removing the judges. Rinse and repeat.
Questions you didn't answer, because you know you'll be proven a fool when you do:
1) Which is better for deporting Venezuelans claiming amnesty, El Salvador or Venezuela?
2) If MAGAs are clueless monsters, what does that make Tren de Aragua and MS-13?
3) What do you have against offering THEM the choice between El Salvador and Venezuela (and wouldn't their consent - maybe not to being deported, but to choosing WHERE they're deported from a list of two nations, one being their country of origin - allay any issues you have about its "humaneness")?
4) If ACTUAL Nazi's - literally, all the Hans and Fritz types that were goosestepping around in jackboots not so long ago - were the ones illegally crossing our border, would you be making this same nonsense argument? Would you be weeping and sobbing over the "deprivation of rights" that I guess they.... just magically got because suddenly they're out goosestepping down 5th Avenue and taking over Colorado apartment buildings? Would you want the ACTUAL LITERAL NAZIS to stay in America, or would you want them removed by whatever means and however quickly it could be managed?
Now watch as I answer your questions. (It's not hard, counselor - and I wouldn't be utilizing YOUR approach so far in your own alleged profession.)
Why are you spending so much time defending your govt engaging in human rights abuses? There isn't a debate on the ethics or morals of it.
Because they're not human rights abuses. What human right do you think is being abused here? They fled to this nation seeking amnesty, we denied it, and provided an alternative to their country of origin. Also, let's not forget that to a degree they consented to this. A cost/benefit analysis was performed, and a known risk was taken. They chose to take the risk, despite not being 100% sure of its potential consequences.
Now they know the consequences, and enablers like you are whining, "But they didn't know THIS was one of the consequences." And you're super totes mad because the only answer you get in reply is, "Sorry, no takesbacksies."
There isn't a debate on the ethics or morals of it.
Is there a debate on the ethics or morals of allowing literal Nazi's to illegally enter and set up shop in America?
there is an ethical dimension involved.
Yea, and that ethical dimension can be summed up as thus: what do you do with a bunch of violent criminal terrorists, who are illegally in the country and have no right to have come here, when there is an indisputably irrational anti-American faction with considerable political power backed by a media/entertainment/academia industrial complex that is actively frustrating any and all attempts to deal with the wolves in the henhouse?
Answer: You cut through the nonsense. Which is precisely what Orange Man Bad did.
You dumbfucks don't seem to realize that people like me aren't defending MS-13 or other gangs.
Language.
And yes you are. You're telling yourself you aren't, but you're making the case of why these scumbags should still be in America.
Trump has already posted publicly about sending US citizens charged with vandalizing Tesla's there as well.
Seems appropriate. Or, are you going to add "defending/enabling literal domestic terrorists" to your stack of "stupid things you have to support in order to protect your pro-illegals/anti-America narratives."
Y'know, it wasn't like this just a couple decades ago. I don't know when or why people like you went bananas, but I refuse to believe that back in 1995 you'd be like, "Here's the case for giving a rip about the ultimate fate of Timothy McVeigh."
But that's what you are now. So far removed from reality that all you have is total nonsense, and immediately defaulting to "You a Nazi!" to anyone who isn't - oh-so-ironically - in jackbooted lockstep with you.
I have been consistent. I opposed extraordinary rendition; I opposed Abu Ghraib torture; I opposed waterboarding Khalid Sheik Mohammed; I opposed the president unilaterally drone bombing US Citizens in foreign countries on the President's word alone. I opposed the Patriot Act and John Yoo's memos.
I will continue to oppose violations of constitutional rights and human rights abuses. And nobody is asking the detainees being sent to prison in El Salvador anything. They are being forced there against their will. Once there, they will be cut off from the world and they will be abused. And that goes for US citizens or asylum seekers or run of the mill illegal immigrants caught up in our detention system. NOBODY in our custody should go there. The US should shun this dictator and call out his cruelty, not pay him 6million dollars and reward his barbaric practices. While we can't quite control what El Salvador does with its own citizens - we can 100% control what we do with those people in our custody. Making possibly the worst decision possible out of all possible options is not a reason for celebration. Its cause for condemnation.
I am confident the Court's will condemn it. And I am confident that racists, bigots, fascists and authoritarian bootlickers will cry and complain that poor ol' Donnie Trump was foiled by the corrupt courts again misunderstanding completely that a Trump legal victory would ultimately be America's loss and Trump's legal defeat is a win for the rule of law.
I have been consistent.
Consistently avoiding answering very simple questions.
I will continue to oppose violations of constitutional rights and human rights blah blah blah blah blah.
Good for you. Nobody's asked you about them.
You have, however, been asked which is better: deporting someone claiming amnesty to where they "fled," or somewhere else that's willing to accept them (especially if they're given and make the choice themselves); what Tren de Aragua and MS-13 are if "MAGA are clueless monsters;" and if you would go to bat this hard for the Third Reich border jumping their way and settling in American cities to engage in literal Nazism, and why.
Or you could just say what everyone knows you're really saying: "Open Borders. Death to America. I care more about the 'rights' of violent international terrorists than I do my own countrymen, in the name of hating their overwhelmingly duly elected Orange Bad Man."
I usually don't do the whole *crickets* thing, but it's been 24 hours, and it seems appropriate this time.
You call us Nazis, but you and your fellow travelers are the socialists who are trying to oppress and murder Jews.
Hint; democrats are the Nazis. Now knowing that, you should really consider suicide.
"Calm down Himler..."
Oh, how....adolescent.
Fuck off and die, asshole.
All these central American gang bangers and terror supporters are precious to him. He won’t part with a single one of them.
he sees 'the spark of the divine' in each of them... he's a real Nancy-boy
And I’m sure he wishes that they would plant some of that divine spark in his backseat.
Are these facts even in dispute? Or is this all about using process to interfere with progress?
You built that whole article off of 'does not seeem' -- what a funny thing to do ????
"From a policy standpoint, strong border control measures are often considered essential to maintaining national sovereignty. Advocates for the AEA argue that it falls within the President’s constitutional duty to protect the United States from foreign threats, and contend that the political question doctrine prohibits courts from intervening if the President decides to invoke it. They also assert that transnational criminal organizations meet criteria for the constitutional definition of “invasion”, justifying an invocation of the AEA in modern times. The AEA’s potential to bypass local sanctuary city policies, which may limit cooperation with federal immigration enforcement, is another reason some advocate for the Act’s use today. "
And that makes sense. You 'SEEM" to not have a real opinion
That paragraph ignores that the delegation of authority under the alien enemies act to the President came via Congress and is predicated on their constitutionally granted war powers. Or the fact that the statute itself contemplates judicial review and perhaps most importantly; the Courts always have power to review statutes for constitutionality [whether of the statute itself or as applied in any given situation in a particular case.]
Other than that, great comment.
But you're missing the Trump exception. When Trump does it, it's constitutional. This is what the cultists fervently believe and if any of them deny it, they're lying.
Aren’t you just a little embarrassed to be copying sarc?
Democrats decided declarations of war were so 2000 & late.
So Congress can pass an AUMF against Venezuela? Oh wait..this Congress doesn't do shit.
Poor lefty shit.
Poor Jake. He’s become another tedious lefty journalism version of Diogenes: still searching for one true thought on matters Trump.
It’s sad to watch. He roams the dark side of Reason, swinging his lantern in cold and bitter silence, convincing himself again and again and again- and anyone who’ll listen- that This Time! he’s got the goods. Finally the smoking gun to nail Trump.
Uh huh. Dude, you lost. BiGLY. Deal with it.
Poor Jake. He’s become another tedious lefty journalism version of Diogenes
With the same grooming and public appearance habits, no doubt.
I kinda want to datamine his shopping habits. I'll bet $100 that he's never ever purchased deodorant in his adult life.
Sullum's attempt at writing an article shows Sullum to be a TDS-addled lying pile of shit who should fuck off and die.
Boasberg is the guy who let off Ray Epps while sentencing others to years in prison for tresspassing. He has no honor.
He belongs in GitMo. Like most prominent democrats.
OK, under what authority can the president deport someone here legally - though not a citizen - who has not been convicted of a crime nor even given grounds for anyone to think so, and hand them, over to a prison in another country?
Foreigners don’t have a right to stay here, dummy.
Fuckwit, the issue is when some is here legally, what right has the president to put them on a plane and have them imprisoned in El Salvador.
I’m sorry you’re a brain damaged liberal faggot, but foreigners don’t have a right to stay here if they act like shitheads.
I see you're too cretinously dishonest to address the issue.
Accepting that foreigners have no rights to stay here particularly if theyt act like shitheads, by what right does the US puyt them on a plane and send them to an El Salvador prison?
Are you even intellectually or morally capable of answering this question?
"...Accepting that foreigners have no rights to stay here particularly if theyt act like shitheads, by what right does the US puyt them on a plane and send them to an El Salvador prison?..."
Does the plane land in the prison yard or are you simply too abysmally stupid to understand that the US cannot deliver them to a prison?
Given you are a stupid shit, I'ma go with#2. Fuck off and die, asshole.
Trump used the Immigration (and Nationality) Act to enforce his term-one travel ban, which SCOTUS upheld. You might recall it as the Muslim travel ban.
Since he was granted authority under that Act to keep certain immigrants out, based on national security provisions, it follows he’s got the same authority to kick them out.
In fact, Rubio reiterated the point a few days ago. The INA gives him, and obviously his boss, the authority to deport any non/citizen legal- resident, permanent or not, who might (even appear to) harm USA interests.
They need not commit a crime to get the boot. Being here ain’t a right for foreigners. Insofar as imprisoning them post-deportation, that’s up to the host country’s laws. (Note: the ones you see headed to prisons afar are likely being deported via the Alien Enemies Act, since most of them committed crimes or were here illegally, or both. )
I am not arguing here about the authority to expel them. I am arguing about the US's deporting them to an El Salvador prison.
Are you stupid or just pretending to be stupid? These aliens are ILLEGAL bonehead. The POTUS can expel them at will. Get back to working on your gender identity Leftard.
You fascist POS, first, we don't know that they're all illegal - having a green card, for example, or being legitimate asylum seekers, and second, why can't - or won't - you lot address the point, that even if we assume that the president can deport them, what right does he have to deport them to an El Salvador prison?
You lot keep repeating that they're illegals, though not all of them are and we only have the gubment's word for it , or that even if they're not illegal, they have no right to be in this country, etc. but none of you address the issue of people being sent to an El Salvador prison.
The reasonable presumption of this deliberate avoidance is that either you actually approve of Trump dumping them in a foreign prison, but you have just enough self-awareness that being a sociopathic cunt is not a good look, or you don't approve but are too much of a chickenshit cultist to say so.
Gonna guess that you lack the intelligence to experience embarrassment.
You’re over-complicating this. The Alien Enemies Act is what is currently being used to detain/deport and/or hold in custody most of these illegal immigrants.
And, yep, that means sending them to any prison ICE wants, any country it wants, once an agreement is reached with the host country. That’s the grant of power and authority that the ACT imparts, at least until the law is changed.
In this case, we are actually footing the bill ( @ 5M) for El Salvador to hold them in custody.
That’s the grant of power and authority that the ACT imparts, at least until the law is changed.
What section of the AEA gives the Executive that power?
Citing "declared war" is valid as a restraint, but calling a President "Commander in Chief" is only valid when "called into actual service," thus implying only when a war is officially declared by Congress. Loose application of terms is a commonplace practice long in history.
Opposition to removing illegal aliens is spitting hairs on a bald head since due process was served.
“Trump's Reading of the Alien Enemies Act Defies the Usual Meaning of Its Terms”
Meaningless weasel words. Delivered by a meaningless weasel.
So it took Boasberg and Trump to turn you into Orignalists. How funny
The usual meaning of a 200+ years old law.Really ??
For Heaven's sake .... these turds are in the US illegally. Deport them immediately. Pay no attention to these silly District Judges meddling in issues clearly delegated to the Executive Branch of our Constitutional Republic. Leftists are mentally ill .....
80% of asylum claimants never show up at their court date to present their claim. If one were to look at asylum claimants with neck tattoos the number is probably just under 100%.
If the claim is that an MS-13 tattoo is not proof of gang membership, try that theory out by getting a temporary MS-13 tattoo on your neck and strolingl through a Salvadorian neighborhood. Report back on how it went if you survive.
MS13 aren't Tren de Aragua. Different gangs from different countries. The alien enemies act was directed at TdA specifically. Deporting MS-13 members based on the alien enemies act invocation would be in violation of the very terms of the proclamation invoking it. But since they aren't granting anybody a hearing to determine if the person meets the criteria laid out; mistakes are probable. Including being overinclusive [wrong gang members] but also just straight up wrong. Not a gang member at all. Hence why the courts are likely to stop it.
"MS13 aren't Tren de Aragua..."
Pick them cherries...
Fuck off and die, asshole.
I don't really care Margaret.
Sullum needs a career change.
Yes, it's almost like pulling Civil War era charges for use against Trump.
We're in dangerous territory here with both sides employing scorched earth policies against their opponents.
Against which "opponent" is Trump using scorched-earth policies here?
What I get is you are willing for the gang to come back for due process. How many should we put you down for housing and being responsible for?
If you want to get really literal about it, an army is not a nation or a government. Therefore, an invasion or incursion by an army doesn't fall under the AEA; the act would have to be carried out by an actual member of the National Assembly or the Maduro administration. Not that I'm opposed to sending politicians to fight their own wars. On the other hand, Tren de Aragua is clearly a part of the Venezuelan nation. If it's not Venezuelan, what is it? So the conditions of the AEA are met. How finely-grained is 'reason' going to define 'nation'?
An army of a country or nation is understood then and now to be an agent of that nation or country. On youe argument, a single person from a foreign counry, acting violently, would be enough to trigger AEA against all citizens of that country in the US.
This is what the AEA requires:
1. The invasion or occupation has to have been by a nation, or government. A cartel is netiher, despite what Trump claims., and you all know it.
2. The alien, if not charged with a relevant crime, is entitled to have a reasonable time to get his personal effects in order - seizing him outright is contrary to the act if there is no immediate public safety issue, and we know that in many cases there weren't.
3. They are entitled to a hearing.
Don't believe me? Here's the act, which "I bet almost none of you have actually read, preferring to foam at the mouth like true believers during an Inquisition.
https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?path=/prelim@title50/chapter3&edition=prelim
The AEA doesn't say that an invasion or predatory incursion has to be armed or military. Neither does it say how large (how many people) an invasion or predatory incursion has to be to be considered as such. Therefore it's up to the President (under Article II or Chevron deference, whichever you prefer) to determine that an invasion or predatory incursion has occurred. Would you say that one alien entering the US with an atomic bomb was not an invasion or predatory incursion?
Chevron deference has gone since Loper Bright.
Would you say that one alien entering the US with an atomic bomb was not an invasion or predatory incursion?
If he is acting by himself, yes. It's not an invasion nor an incursion by that nation or country..
JS;lies;dr
Yes a District Court Judge Boasberg can order military planes to turn around without knowing where the plane is, fuel level, weather, or a host of other things.
The only sticking point I heard, from a conservatives mind you, is that the government gave 911 terrorists due process at Gitmo. Does this act overrule that?
As a follow-up tell us all why these 27 states are all wrong
27 States File Brief with Supreme Court Backing Trump’s Use of Alien Enemies Act to Deport Tren de Aragua Gangsters