New Income Tax Proposal Is Progressive and Unworkable
Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick says the Trump administration wants to eliminate income taxes for those making $150,000 or less—an unprecedented shift with major consequences.

Secretary of Commerce Howard Lutnick recently announced on CBS News that the Trump administration wants to eliminate income taxes for those making $150,000 a year or less. Were that to happen, only seven percent of U.S. citizens would be left paying income taxes. This would put the entire income tax burden on a tiny minority of people.
This is already the case, to a certain extent. The top one percent of taxpayers currently pay about 40 percent of all income taxes. The income tax code is progressive—tax rates increase as income increases. This new proposal would make the tax code even more progressive, shouldering the tax liability of a small number of affluent citizens.
It should be pointed out that the tax revenue collected from the bottom 93 percent of taxpayers amounts to 24 percent of all income tax revenue, or a little more than $500 billion per year. President Donald Trump has goals to lower taxes and balance the budget. With the budget deficit at a little less than two trillion dollars, balancing the budget while eliminating income taxes for the bottom 93 percent of taxpayers will be virtually impossible unless there are radical changes to Social Security or Medicare, which Trump has (thus far) ruled out. Of course, Trump could plan to raise income tax rates on higher tax brackets—which is not out of the realm of possibility. Trump is a populist, after all.
This will not eliminate the payroll tax burden on working Americans. People will still pay 6.2 percent in payroll taxes on the first $176,100 in income, with the employer paying an equal amount. This amounts to about 30 percent of federal revenue. We also all pay 1.45 percent in Medicare taxes on earned income, with no cap. Payroll taxes are ostensibly meant to fund our own individual Social Security plans, but the revenue is fungible with income tax, corporate tax, and excise tax revenue—there is no such thing as a Social Security "lockbox."
A stated libertarian goal is to eliminate taxes to the extent possible. But libertarians should also care about the fairness of the tax code. Assuming the other tax brackets remain unchanged, a taxpayer that earns $150,001 will face a marginal rate of 24 percent, which will act as a powerful disincentive to earn more money. It is possible, probable even, that Trump thinks revenue collected from tariffs will make up the shortfall. The recently enacted tariffs on China, Canada, and Mexico are expected to raise $120 billion in 2025, a long way from balancing the budget or coming close to eclipsing the revenue lost from tax cuts.
At the time of the election, the Trump economic plan was being sold by Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent as threading the needle with tax cuts and budget cuts and as a path to balancing the budget. It is becoming clear that promised tax cuts (including those on tips, overtime, and Social Security) could exceed the cost savings from the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE), resulting in an even larger budget deficit. Even while DOGE continues working to cut wasteful and unnecessary programs, coming up with $1 trillion in savings will require a lot more work.
It's hard not to be romantic about tax cuts. The typical single taxpayer making $150,000 a year pays about $25,000 in federal income taxes after accounting for the standard deduction. DOGE has revealed to many that $25,000 in the hands of a taxpayer will be disposed of more wisely than if it had been taken by the government. Deficit hawks often oppose tax cuts on the grounds that they will widen the deficit, which is true in the short term. On a long enough timeframe, however, tax cuts do pay for themselves, and then some, which we learned in the 1990s. But an economist would say that tax cuts for the bottom 93 percent will go mostly toward consumption, while tax cuts on the top 7 percent will go toward saving and investment—the real engine of economic growth.
Flattening the tax code would be a fairer way to cut taxes. Trump's proposal steepens it, such that only the rich will pay taxes at all. This has never been attempted in any developed country—ever—and there will be unintended consequences galore.
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Trump's tariffs don't raise prices and his tax cuts will balance the budget. The guy truly is magical.
"NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! Don't eliminate income tax. That's unlibertarian!
Now who will pay for all the USAID boondoggles I've been against cutting?"
He does love every tax that isn't a consumption tax.
He wouldn’t even mind that if there was an exception for booze.
These Trump liars just make shit up to excite the riff-raff like ML and Jesse.
NO TAX ON TIPS! NO TAX ON SS! 10% MAX RATE ON CREDIT CARDS! NO TAXES ON 150K!
We knew they were not serious about the deficit. This proves it.
The only thing they're serious about is defending anything Trump does. And you didn't complain when Democrats did it first so that makes it ok.
Sanders and Hawley introduce bill to cap credit card interest rates at 10%
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/02/04/bill-cap-credit-card-interest-rates-senators/78223935007/
So Donnie lied about that campaign promise. Amazing I know. But a bipartisan bill was introduced (Hawley for the GOP)
He is just a full-time liar.
How the fuck did Trump lie, you massive retard? He's only been on the job for six weeks, and if you haven't noticed, Hawley and Sanders are pushing what Trump promised.
The only thing that could make your troll true, is if the bill passed and Trump vetoed it.
This is why Open Society will never hire you back. You're too dumb without talking-points to even trick people on HuffPo.
"The only thing they're serious about is defending anything Trump does."
That's right, because cutting taxes and stupid spending is totally unlibertarian, right? What's next, opposing censorship?
Stupid Nazi fucks.
And you didn't complain when Democrats did it first so that makes it ok.
Lol, the Democrats cutting taxes and spending. How many times do I have to bang my head off the cement to be like you, Sarckles?
Please point out from 2000 till now when the Dems cut taxes and spending. We all want to see this since the Dems done it first right?
Oh no I'm Sarc and the Dems. If government doesn't grow by at least 3% a year Grandma dies!
It's not our money, spend spend spend!
Fuck you, cut spending?
Edit: that’s the only REAL way to close the deficit.
The libertarian case for income taxes
Trump's economic vision is indeed radical and the consequences impossible to accurately predict. On the other hand the status quo is a guaranteed recipe for total collapse. I'm willing to ride it out at this point.
I'm not. Half the problem with our current system is that vast amounts of people do not pay for the benefits they support. This is accomplished by people taxing the rich and taxing their children (with massive deficits). If people truly had to pay for the services they consume and vote for, then perhaps they would be a little less willing to give the government money that it squanders and malspends.
Just because Trump does something different does not make it better. Don't get me wrong, I like much of his attacks on the bureaucracy but that doesn't make him some super genius. In 2017 he and his advisors swore that capping the SALT Deduction would lead blue states to reign in their spending- and that prediction turned out wildly wrong. Instead congress created numerous complicated, Rich Only tax shelters to protect blue-staters while also bailing out the states with massive injections of "Inflation Reduction" bucks.
Trump has earned some leway, but that only goes so far. And on fiscal policy, he should be viewed very skeptically.
The only thing I disagree with is that Trump has earned some leeway. He is a second term president which garners no leeway. That he is just as economically illiterate as his first term has not changed. He is still a petty, hamfisted politician who now knows what he can get away with yet with no clue or desire how to do any of this permanently or legally.
I would say his second term should be held to higher standards but this is Trump, he has no standards.
His legacy will be that we have a better understanding of executive power after him losing court case after court case.
His legacy will be that we have a better understanding of executive power after him losing court case after court case and then doing whatever he was going to do anyway in defiance of the court while his defenders cheer him on.
ftfy
But it's ok because of the Trail of Tears.
What has he defied the court on retard? Biden defied a Supreme Court ruling, not some little bribed DNC lower court lackey, but the Supreme Court, and you never made a peep.
Trump hasn't defied anything yet, and yet here you are asperging out.
Whatever, cunt.
I feel your pain, loser.
Well I haven't actually seen a concise description of the strategy but Trump seems to think that internal revenue can be replaced by external revenue in the form of tariffs essentially funding the federal government with a consumption tax as it was prior to the income tax. Of course the government share of GDP is many multiples now compared to what it was then but he also believes that government spending can be drastically cut. I agree with you about marginal rates and the inherent disincentives and the SALT workarounds etc. And effects on trade and investment and thousands of other things are frankly impossible to predict in isolation which makes it all seem pretty crazy. But pretty much everybody agrees that the current path is unsustainable so I'm willing to see what comes next.
Tariffs would have to be 50-100% to raise as much revenue as the current income tax. That high a rate would cut imports and raise much less revenue, besides disrupting the economy.
Trump's an economic ignoramus. I'm glad he at least is making some efforts to cut spending, and I'm glad Musk is uncovering so much corruption, but in the end, it's all just farts in the wind without the substantial cuts which require Congressional action.
He's only got a 3 seat majority in the House. Midterms usually go against the President. I hope he can reverse that historical trend and get a bigger majority, but he won't do that by disrupting the economy. On the other hand, he's got a year to go before election season gets serious and locks in the economic state which will matter in November. Maybe he'll turn things around. I have my doubts, considering he didn't have the guts to veto spending bills his first term, and kept Birx and Fauci around rather than pay attention and fire their corrupt lying asses.
I'm glad he at least is making some efforts to cut spending, and I'm glad Musk is uncovering so much corruption, but in the end, it's all just farts in the wind without the substantial cuts which require Congressional action.
That's funny, because I get called a leftist by your mentor whenever I say that, Jesse Jr.
1. That's not what you say.
2. That's not why you get called a leftist.
I must admit, the idea that he somehow latched on to me as his savior against that wicked JesseAZ, only to find out the world is not black and white, is pretty amusing.
Huh? Just pointing out how you're an intellectually dishonest, disingenuous, petty, malevolent, bad-faith, mendacious, lying fuckstick like him. The only difference between the two of you is that you understand economics. That's it.
I sometimes wonder if you're just a sock.
I agree that if people, particularly working class and independents, think the economy is tanking the honeymoon will be over very quickly. And coming in as a lame duck he'll be screwed without a house majority.
If the federal government was 10% the size it is now, that could work. Without that, and without a constitutional amendment, we are going to have federal income tax. And having an even larger majority not paying the tax is not going to help in getting popular support for actual cuts.
It doesn't reallyatter what you are willing to do at this point, it's happening. Just ask yourself had he campaigned on this idiocy would you still have supported him?
I supported Trump for a lot of reasons. Yes I would still have voted for him.
I haven't seen any details but I wonder if the first 150k would be exempt then anything above it would be taxed progressively. So for example, someone making 160k would pay income taxes on 10k. Someone making 200k would pay taxes on 50k etc...
This is just a guess. I don't expect this to actually happen. Or at least not at the 150k amount. 50k or less?? Seems possible. Or maybe only married filing jointly filers as some form of family incentive type thing. I think Trump throws these trial balloons out there to distract or cynically to give false hope to the people who are likely to be hurt by his other policies.
That concept is usually kept hidden by Reason reporters. They just state that a taxpayer that earns $150,001 will face a marginal rate of 24 percent while not really addressing what marginal tax really means.
I don’t trust anything written in this article.
How to make $150k the new poverty line in one easy step.
Why do people continually lie about this?
That "employer-paid" 6.2 percent comes out of the full salary they could have paid the employee. The FICA tax is 15.3%. Pretending businesses pay any tax on their own is typical proggie lies. Customers pay everything, all expenses, and that includes FICA, business taxes, property taxes, and, yes, tariffs. Stop trying to pretend businesses actually absorb that 6.2%.
Yeah that always irks me too. I was self employed for 35 years. I paid the whole bill every year. That money doesn't fall from the sky.
It's obvious that they're talking about what gets taken out of the paycheck, and the employer contribution is not taken from what is printed on the paycheck.
I know you love to pluck lice eggs off of hairs, but calling someone a liar over that is fucking dumb.
It's a lie. It's wrong. It's misleading.
Sums you up too.
The author did not say that employer contributions to insurance, matching 401K, and vacation time are all part of total compensation. Why aren't you calling them a liar for that too Jesse Jr?
Those are all choices one makes with the employer.
You don't have to get insurance through your employer.
You don't have to put anything into the 401K program.
You can even chose to not take a vacation. Used to be that if you chose to not take vacation the employer would have to pay you for that time, but that is no longer the case. The vacation can expire at the employer's behest.
The more significant lie is the number of people who exclude people who pay 'payroll tax' from the ranks of 'taxpayers' whenever they want to demonize the lower income as freeloaders in order to reduce marginal rates at the upper end
It's the same BS with healcare. We ignore, to our peril, that employers are paying a boatload on our behalf to the bloated medical indutsrial complex.
FICA taxes and tax deducted healthcare premiums are loopholes for sophists everywhere. Want to say wealthy people pay most of the taxes - ignore FICA! Want to point out that Medicare for All would be too expensive? Ignore all the money your tax subsidized premiums are being wasted. Even articles like this, that are here to supposedly cut through the fog, just blow more smoke on things.
Eliminating tax is good. Making things more progressive is stupid.
Eliminate it all and replace it with a flat or consumption tax if that is needed to fund actual important shit.
Cut spending, and cut all taxes, for everyone
100% this and only this. Anything else is Democrat vote-buying bullshit in a shiny new Republican wrapper.
That damn "party of billionaires"... Doesn't Trump know he's supposed to take all of the money and give it to Musk?
Defeated right-wing rejects - especially those whose handle contains "usmc", an organization that teaches its members to suspend the thinking part of the thought process - can only ever see things when they are overt and right in front of them. Money can only ever be passed on directly and overtly, only when I see it. The earth can't be round because it's clearly flat. An education is clearly redundant because I never needed one. And so on.
What a dull fantasy life you dream of. Go back to your room.
I thought that the military style life was pretty dull to be honest. Illusions of grandeur, when in reality the chain of command is just a giant human centipede and nobody respects you in real life for being a mindless drone with a tax funded online degree in "how to use powerpoint".
Hey there 5.56mm micropenis. The last person in the Human Centipede eats less shit than you.
Isn't a human centipede part of your basic training? Right after the overhead yeet?
The human centipede is your chain of command, drone.
Stupid bot went to "I know you are but what am I?"
Eat shit, tiny dick.
libertarians for income taxes?
>>Were that to happen, only seven percent of U.S. citizens would be left paying income taxes.
great! then those powerful rich assholes can get the 16th repealed.
If the upper 1% or whatever want to pool their money and fund the war in Ukraine without the rest of us, I'm cool with that.
word. play RiskIRL on your own dime.
No more "free lunch." Break out the libertarian playbook: you use it, you pay for it. National Park user: pay fees that cover expenses. Don't use the National Parks? Pay nothing. Mail a letter: postage to cover expenses. Ride Amtrak - fares to cover, etc. Use a government airport - fees. You all know the drill. Defense - always a hard one to come up with a Use tax; cake sales won't do it.
Sad, since defense is arguably the only proper function of the federal government. Every other function supports that, and could be paid for by a use tax (whatever you choose to call it). How 'bout a flat federal tax, per person over the age of 18, with a deduction set at the level at which the paperwork costs more than it brings in.... about $25 given the state of computerization. NO other deductions. Don't criminalize non-filing or non-payment, but amend the Constitution to abolish the 24th Amendment (taxes have to be paid in order to vote). As to the rest, if you want it, pay for it. And no, healthcare is NOT a right, it is a commodity. Same with retiring from work at a given age, free food, housing, etc.
The way I figure it, that would be about a 4% Federal tax to support a really nice military. And if someone who is just barely getting by on 30 hrs of min wage ($11K/yr) can't come up with $450 for their tax, maybe they can skip the snazzy smartphone and get a cheapo flip phone.... if they even care.
We need to replace the income tax with a consumption tax. This would get rid of April 15 and all the associated intrusions and hassles. It would also stop the government from knowing ALL of the details of your income.
No it wouldn't. Consumption taxes are income taxes too, but "only" on stores, paid by customers just like every other business expense, and the intrusive auditing is just as bad. It's why the regulate yard sales and flea markets. Trading a new roof for dental work is just as illegal.
Just because the EU hides sales taxes in the shelf price, and just because US sales taxes are totaled up at the cash register, doesn't mean they don't cost real money. If you replaced the income tax with a federal sales tax, people would sure as hell notice at the cash register. You pretending they don't matter because businesses pay them is as wrong as pretending half of the FICA tax is paid by employers.
People pay all taxes, not businesses. Customers, clients, employees, they pay taxes, not big bad wealthy businesses.
That was a really good rant at something the person didn't say, Jesse Jr. You're getting really good at this.
Also it's retarded to pretend that consumption taxes aren't just as regressive. Sure, rich people buy more stuff thus would pay more but the tax is also a bigger share of a poor person's income.
Hilariously, it also cuts the balls of the endless bitching about tariff's we see coming out of Reason. That Chinese TV that was cheap before ain't gonna be so cheap after it's hit with a consumption tax. You can't escape consumption taxes by buying American either, presumably that would be out of reach of the working poor after such a tax if it isn't already. It's quite the giveaway to foreign manufacturers and the U.S. government itself.
There's a difference between revenue tariffs and protectionary tariffs. The former have to be small enough that people will pay them if they're going to generate revenue. The latter have to be high enough that people won't pay them in order to be protectionary. What Reason and others who understand economics complain about are protectionary tariffs, not revenue tariffs.
The only thing DOGE has revealed is that MAGAs will buy any bullshit lie about DOGE. Musk does not care one hoot about making government better.
Remember when you told us that everyone who understands Cobol is dead?
The only thing DOGE has revealed is thatMAGAs will buy any bullshit lieabout DOGE. Musk does not care one hoot about making government better.ftfy
Tony, you believed there was nothing wrong with Biden until you were finally,y ordered not to. You’re a drone.
So fuck off.
Taxation is theft. This really isn't complicated. Whatever the government is spending today versus before the 19th amendment has no legitimacy in my opinion. When we find someone embezzling funds from a business or agency, we don't try to argue that the since they have gotten used to their new lifestyle we're not going to stop them from financing it with stolen money. Indeed, we even claw back as much as possible. I don't care what the government, or any other entity is doing with money they stole. They could be feeding the homeless and curing cancer. Doesn't matter. Stealing is wrong.
Then you are an anarchist, which, coming from me, is not a criticism.
Taxation is theft. And it follows from that that government is an extortion racket. I totally agree on all that.
But the money spent on what most people consider legitimate government functions is also stolen. And you still end up just as poor, locked up or dead if you refuse to pay your taxes.
Yes, it is an extortion racket. This is basic minimalist government. We accept one bully to take care of making sure no other bullies show up. Pay off the one at a tolerable level. Extortion pure and simple. Beyond that, you're on your own for food, clothing, shelter, medicine, porn, etc.
In my heart I'm an anarchist. However I recognize the fact that there will always be a gang of men who use organized violence to plunder. That's how it's always been and how it always will be. A gang of men using organized violence always triumphs over individuals. The only way to fight them is with another gang of men who use organized violence. They become an extortion racket that promises to protect you from other gangs, and in the end they become government. Like the guy on the hundred dollar bill said, the only thing certain in life are death and taxes.
Got it.
Progressive income taxes set up by the democrats have worked just fine, but a progressive income tax set up by "TRUMP!" is unworkable.
Those hypocrites didn't complain when Democrats did it. That invalidates their criticism and makes whatever Trump does ok.
This would put the entire income tax burden on a tiny minority of people.
Gee, no shit since that's basically how it's shaken out for as long as I've been alive. The lions share of taxation has always fallen on the highest brackets.
Just under half the people in the U.S. pay zero income tax, and in fact get transfer payments from the government instead. A good slice of the people who pay in some income taxes are basically a rounding error on the federal budget and would not be missed.
Is this a stupid move? Well, yeah, but it falls into the category of 'stupid as usual' which makes it bizarre you'd choose to bitch about it now.
"Assuming the other tax brackets remain unchanged, a taxpayer that earns $150,001 will face a marginal rate of 24 percent, which will act as a powerful disincentive to earn more money."
Yes, 24 cents is a powerful disincentive to earning 76 more.
Where do you come up with this crap, and what happened to actual libertarians?
There is an income window, where you just barely cross the threshold into a higher bracket, where you are literally poorer than you would have been if you'd stayed just under the new bracket at a lower rate.
This is obvious.
No tax if you pay under a window is applied as an exemption to that point, and tax on the amount above that point. 25% tax on income with no paid below $150,000 means that on $150,001 tax would be ($150,001 - $150,000) x 0.25 = $0.25.
At least that's what the current algorithm would be.
Prose is a sloppy way to explain math, but most people can't seem to do more than simple addition and subtraction, and not very well at that.
It's all theoretical since it will never pass anyway, so we are free to read into it whatever we want I suppose.
Won't pass at the moment, but eventually inflation will be so great that $150K won't buy a one-way ticket to Venezuela. If they keep indexing, we'll get there soon enough.
If you don't opt to change your withholding declaration, then yes, if you make the annual equivalent of $150,001 in any given pay period, that pay period will end up with your taxes withheld in the amount of the bracket that you end up in.
You can change that, and decide to not have your income tax withheld, and pay at the end of the year. Then, if your actual annual reported income is >$150,000, you'll pay 24% on the amount that is above $150k. Or, if you let your income tax be withheld, you will receive a "refund" of the amount of overpaid taxes.
TLDR; It's your fault if you overpay taxes knowing that you are very close to the next bracket.
A stated libertarian goal is to eliminate taxes to the extent possible. But libertarians should also care about the fairness of the tax code.
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One more time:
In times of deficit spending, a 'tax cut' without corresponding spending cuts is not a real tax cut, it is a tax deferral. It simply transfers the tax obligation to a different time or a different person, and will mean more in taxes in the end since the tax bill will have to pay for the interest for the borrowed money used to pay current spending. This type of tax is even more immoral than ordinary taxation: at least the current taxpayers have some voice in the taxes we should pay, but future taxpayers at future times do not have a choice to decide whether or not to pay the debt.
"In times of deficit spending, a 'tax cut' without corresponding spending cuts is not a real tax cut"
Who do you think you're kidding? They've been cutting programs like mad, and you've been shitting your pants about it right fucking here every day.
It's like you think that nobody can remember anything you typed previously that isn't convenient any more to whatever narrative you're paid to push right now.
Amazing.
a 'tax cut' without corresponding spending cuts
The little bit of money Elon is trying to save is not going to come anywhere close to the expense of the tax cuts.
Still peddling the lie that the auditor is the one doing the cutting I see.
It's not Elon, it's Trump, and you've been crapping yourself with rage every time he shuts one of your grifting ops down.
I like that he continues to ignore that revenue goes up after the cuts. As if it’s a revenue problem and not a spending problem.
While I'd welcome this, no thanks at least today. Our citizens should pay for the government they want, not just keep pushing for more gov, no taxes. Cut spending first, then we can revist once the debt is paid down to a manageable level.
"Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick says the Trump administration wants to eliminate income taxes for those making $150,000 or less—an unprecedented shift with major consequences."
1. Stop the damn spending.
This can be done by pulling out of NATO, the UN, eliminate most of the alphabet bureaucracies, no more foreign aid, subsidies, grants, etc. Then no more social security checks for people who are retired that make $100,000.
2. Terminate the income tax and replace it with a national sales tax with no taxes on medicine, food or clothes.
3. Have a possible buy out for people on Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid.
4. Terminate Obamacare and other failed political boondoggles.
These are just commonsense ideas to reduce the debt and allow the American workers to prosper and be free from the government.
So, you know both parties would never adapt such ideas into laws.
This can be done by pulling out of NATO, the UN, eliminate most of the alphabet bureaucracies, no more foreign aid, subsidies, grants, etc. Then no more social security checks for people who are retired that make $100,000.
Clown world. Everything you mentioned there is a drop in the bucket.
You gotta kill Medicare/Medicaid too, and not cap the elimination of social security. Eliminate it. Just lump sum it out to people based on their tax records, and then clamp the spigot. If you CANNOT bring yourself to admit this, then you are NOT talking seriously on the subject.
That, plus all other forms of social welfare, is 60% of our
pissing money down a holefederal spending.To cover our spending, 60% of it comes from taxes, 40% comes from borrowing. We then turn around and spend 60% on entitlements, and 40% on legitimate (YMMV) functions of government.
Do the math. Leave everything alone and just CUT OFF the entitlements. Within a decade, we'll have a massive tax surplus, we can pay down the debt, get back in the black, and then all take a nice big tax cut.
But if you are UNWILLING to turn the perpetually open-handed over to the exclusive realm of charity, then you are NOT a serious person when it comes to talking about a national economy.
2. Terminate the income tax and replace it with a national sales tax with no taxes on medicine, food or clothes.
Clown world. There is no point to a national sales tax on any of those things when we hand them out as entitlements to people who earn little to no income.
That is just redistribution of wealth, and reveals your pinko creds.
3. Have a possible buy out for people on Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid.
No, have a REQUIRED buy out. And then tell them to manage their own money. If they can't, that's their problem.
America is SO SICK of its self-motivated productive citizens carrying its moochers, leeches, grifters, and loafers. This is, in no small part, why this country ended up with a Trump. Again. And, despite being an OG#NT, I agree. I already carry my load. And then some, of my own volition. I'm sick to death of having more put on my back when I get nothing - ABSOLUTELY NOTHING - in return for it.
There is ZERO poverty in America. Anybody who isn't carrying their own weight (or more) needs to be left behind.
Things would get a lot easier if we matched up all our Marxists with nearby landfills.
Trump tries to replace income taxes with tariffs. By not repealing the 16th, he's saddling Americans with both, which will both be raised by next Dem WH & Congress...
The Trump administration can want whatever they want relative to taxation. But the buck starts/stops with Congress since they are in charge of the US tax code.
But the buck starts/stops with Congress since they are in charge of the US tax code.
I guess tariffs aren't taxes, then?
Ah, young grasshopper, I see you have discovered the truth.
The truth as in what has been revealed by Dear Leader?
The complaint with reduced taxes is that the people who pay the largest percentage and largest amount of taxes will benefit the most from a reduction in taxes. 1% of nothing is not much, but 1% of a lot of money is a lot. What many leftist want is for people who pay nothing or next to nothing to pay even less and people who pay the vast majority to pay even more. They use the argument of paying their fair share, but the reality is that the top 1% of earners already pay their fair share and much, much more. So the argument quickly becomes anti-capitalist, anti-property, and anti-merit.
"Trump's proposal steepens it, such that only the rich will pay taxes at all. This has never been attempted in any developed country—ever"
Ummm, the US income tax was as originally implemented was only on the wealthy.
I do hate to make this point, being opposed to income taxes in principle, but:
Having lower income people subject to income taxes gives them an incentive to be opposed to big government. Currently, about 50% pay no federal income taxes, so they see any giveaway as free money. Mitt Romney was ridiculed by the media for making that point, but he was right.
The Quote "There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president (Obama) no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it -- that that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what. ... These are people who pay no income tax. ... [M]y job is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."
Having lower income people subject to income taxes gives them an incentive to be opposed to big government.
The problem with this is that people with low incomes would only want lower taxes if they could still get the government services that they rely on.
The U.S. already spends considerably less of its GDP on many different forms of social welfare than most wealthy nations.
Social expenditure comprises cash benefits, direct in-kind provision of goods and services, and tax breaks with social purposes. Benefits may be targeted at low-income households, the elderly, disabled, sick, unemployed, or young persons. To be considered "social", programmes have to involve either redistribution of resources across households or compulsory participation. Social benefits are classified as public when general government (that is central, state, and local governments, including social security funds) controls the relevant financial flows.
Reducing the share of GDP that the federal government takes in taxes from what it is (the total government tax share of GDP is also relatively low in the U.S.) would put it down further. You're thinking is that someone with low income is going to make a calculation that a drop in their taxes that is coupled with a drop in their government benefits is better than higher taxes with greater benefits. That isn't likely, and that is why the U.S. has such a highly progressive tax code overall. (That is the one way that the U.S. is ranked higher in taxes than most other wealthy nations.)
I think libertarians greatly underestimate people's willingness to see higher taxes on both themselves and the wealthy if means at least keeping the limited social welfare spending that the U.S. does. The GOP always paints themselves into this corner. They promise lower taxes, aim most of it at reducing the progressiveness of the U.S. tax code, including just enough populist cuts to sell it, argue trickle down theory to justify it, and then also only pick at the edges of social welfare programs hoping that not many working class voters will notice those cuts to their own bottom line.
This has been the GOP M.O. since Reagan popularized it. And it doesn't work.
[M]y job is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives.
And this is why Romney lost. Telling 47% of taxpayers that they are too poor to owe any federal income tax because they don't take personal responsibility for their own lives? Yikes. That ranks up with the basket of deplorables and the voters that cling to their guns and religion.
But what Romney said was true, even if it cost him politically when it got leaked.
You say the GOP's MO is to always reduce the progressivity of the tax code. I disagree. Bush's tax cuts removed millions from paying income taxes at all. It's hard for a tax change to be more "progressive" than that:
https://taxfoundation.org/research/all/federal/bush-tax-cuts-erased-income-tax-burden-78-million-families/
You know what that article from the Tax Foundation doesn't include? Any information on how the tax cuts affected everyone other than those 7.8 million people.
How about this then:
High-income taxpayers also received the largest tax cuts as a share of their after-tax incomes. The Tax Policy Center estimated that in 2010, the year the tax cuts were fully phased in, they raised the after-tax incomes of the top 1 percent of households by 6.7 percent, while only raising the after-tax incomes of the middle 20 percent of households by 2.8 percent. The bottom 20 percent of households received the smallest tax cuts, with their after-tax incomes increasing by just 1.0 percent due to the tax cuts.
https://www.cbpp.org/research/the-legacy-of-the-2001-and-2003-bush-tax-cuts
Sure, but it's very difficult to give a BIG tax cut to someone who isn't paying much to begin with!
Why; It's almost like wanting to eliminate 'import' tax (i.e. Tariffs).
The hypocrisy at Reason just doesn't get much richer than this.
No 'import' tax for foreign markets ... but, but, but ... Domestic Income Tax cutting is wildly ?progressive?. LOL /s
Assuming the other tax brackets remain unchanged, a taxpayer that earns $150,001 will face a marginal rate of 24 percent, which will act as a powerful disincentive to earn more money.
Uh, so I would be discouraged from earning more money if only got to keep 76 cents out of every extra dollar in gross income? That's what the word disincentive means. If he had said that there would be less incentive to increase my income than if I got to keep it all, then he'd be obviously correct. So obvious would that fact be, that it would hardly be worth stating. Which is why I think he phrased it an obviously false manner. Because he wanted to say something about it, and an accurate statement that everyone already understood wouldn't have any impact.
That statement was preceded by this:
A stated libertarian goal is to eliminate taxes to the extent possible. But libertarians should also care about the fairness of the tax code.
So, he must think that it is unfair that this hypothetical person with $150,001+ in income has to pay any tax, if people with less income don't. But apparently, he didn't think saying that would be effective in his essay. $150k a year is 90th percentile for an individual in the U.S., from what I can find. So, unless Reason caters to the top 10% of income earners, this hypothetical won't hit home for very many readers.
lol. Vote for crazy, you get crazy. FA, FO.
If they won't switch fully to a consumption tax, then the following should be next on their list:
Decouple earned and unearned income (labor and investment) to encourage savings among young earners and not penalize labor earnings for retirees.
Let each be progressively taxed according to an identical rate structure (to get liberals to compromise), and each have the identical standard deduction to provide safe harbor for low income from either or both sources.
That would end the otherwise endless talk about rich people paying their fair share, because their investment income would be taxed the same way as earned income and would not have to qualify for special treatment as it does now. It might also stimulate people to save for themselves instead of constantly looking for others to pay their debts.
*I hate the term "unearned income" for interest, dividends, and capital gains. We earned it by delaying gratification and trying to stay ahead of inflation. But that seems to be what the IRS likes to call it.
“That would end the otherwise endless talk about rich people paying their fair share…,”
Lol. You can’t be this naive? The loony left is firebombing the businesses of the guy who is working for free to let everybody know the massive amount of fraud going on with taxpayer money. You think these resentful losers will ever back off?
Can I interest you in a bridge for sale?…,
Maybe, just maybe; Either an Income Tax shouldn't exist at all ([Na]tional So[zi]alist[s] destroyed that idea) or else be exactly that ... A Tax on Income.
No this, that, *special* people exceptions/deductions.
The amount of $ you received * 2% = Your Income Tax.