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First Amendment

Mahmoud Khalil Is an Easy Call

The government's stated justification for deporting him is so unconvincing that it must not be allowed to stand.

Robby Soave | 3.13.2025 4:20 PM

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The case of Mahmoud Khalil, a Columbia University graduate student and green card holder who was detained by immigration officials after participating in anti-Israel demonstrations on campus, has now become big national news. Those defending the government's efforts to deport Khalil argue that the authorities have the legal right to deport a noncitizen whose activism aligns with a terrorist group; skeptics are gravely concerned that the Trump administration is obviously violating the First Amendment.

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"This is America," wrote the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression in a statement. "We don't throw people in detention centers because of their politics. Doing so betrays our national commitment to freedom of speech."

Immigration and Customs Enforcement arrested Khalil last weekend and swiftly transferred him to a detention facility in Louisiana. A judge has temporarily halted his deportation and ordered the government to make its case before the court. Khalil is of Palestinian descent and holds Algerian citizenship; he initially entered the U.S. on a student visa but is now married to a U.S. citizen and is thus in possession of a green card.

The government's efforts to deport Khalil follow anti-Israel protests at Columbia University, an institution that has taken much criticism for failing to prevent antisemitism on campus. Pro-Palestinian students recently occupied a campus building; Khalil is a prominent activist on behalf of the Palestinian cause and was said to be negotiating with the campus administration on behalf of the protesters.

President Donald Trump has instructed the State Department to take aggressive action to remove "foreign visitors who support terrorists," and Secretary of State Marco Rubio has indicated that "we will be revoking the visas and/or green cards of Hamas supporters in America so they can be deported." Whether the federal government has the legal authority to deport immigrants for engaging in disfavored speech is at least somewhat murky, constitutionally speaking. On one hand, case law suggests that although student visa holders enjoy the same legal rights as citizens with respect to criminal investigations, their right to remain in the U.S. may be subject to different restrictions—though Khalil, as a green card holder, is in a much stronger position.

On the other hand, the First Amendment is understood as a general restriction on the government's behavior, as The Volokh Conspiracy's Ilya Somin points out.

"The First Amendment's protection for freedom of speech, like most constitutional rights, is not limited to US citizens," he writes. "The text of the First Amendment is worded as a general limitation on government power, not a form of special protection for a particular group of people, such as US citizens or permanent residents."

Setting aside the constitutional issue, the detention of a student activist for engaging in what would clearly be considered First Amendment–protected activity under other circumstances is very alarming. If the State Department wishes to proceed with this course of action, the burden is on the government to sufficiently explain why Khalil should be deported. Authorities must persuasively demonstrate that his conduct crosses some very, very red line.

Yet, at present, the government's justifications don't come anywhere close to satisfying such a requirement. On the contrary, the official explanation for Khalil's detention is so woefully insufficient as to be laughable—except, of course, this matter isn't funny at all.

Excuses, Excuses

Earlier this week, The Free Press spoke with a White House official about the reason for Khalil's detention. The official said that Khalil is a "threat to the foreign policy and national security interests of the United States."

"The allegation here is not that he was breaking the law," said the official. "He was mobilizing support for Hamas and spreading antisemitism in a way that is contrary to the foreign policy of the U.S."

Khalil is not being accused of breaking the law—and yet ICE arrested him and sent him to an immigrant detention center in Louisiana. This admission is itself deeply troubling.

Equally troubling are the various accusations: threatening national security interests, mobilizing support for Hamas, and spreading antisemitism. The first is incredibly vague and subject to slippery slope considerations. Is it contrary to U.S. national security interests to object to the government's foreign policy? Isn't that both a cherished right and a hallmark of U.S. democracy? Healthy debates about the size and scope of America's presence abroad are currently taking place on both the left and right; could a Russian student who voiced skepticism of U.S. support for Ukraine have faced deportation for threatening U.S. foreign policy under the previous State Department, for instance? In both cases, we are talking about conflicts half a world away, in which the U.S. is only indirectly involved and federal policy is constantly shifting. How is U.S. foreign policy actually undermined by campus activism on this issue?

On the second accusation, if the government really believes that Khalil is "actively mobilizing support for Hamas," then they should provide some proof of this. So far, the authorities have presented shockingly little evidence that Khalil's activism is specifically aimed at empowering Hamas. If he has provided "material support" for a designated terrorist group, that would be one matter—he could be arrested on this basis. But remember, the government's position is that he is not under arrest. They are effectively claiming that he is in league with terrorists because he has participated in anti-Israel protests.

On the third accusation, once again, no evidence has even been presented that Khalil is antisemitic or has engaged in antisemitic expression.

Remarkably, these pathetic justifications for deporting Khalil look practically ironclad when compared with Deputy Homeland Security Secretary Troy Edgar's more recent statements to NPR. Edgar gives away the game when he admits that "this is somebody that we've invited and allowed the student to come into the country, and he's put himself in the middle of the process of basically pro-Palestinian activity."

Note that Edgar did not even bother to draw a distinction between pro-Hamas activism and pro-Palestinian activism. (He also utterly failed to understand the legal distinction between a student visa holder and green card holder, which does not exactly inspire confidence.)

When pressed by NPR's Michel Martin to present some compelling reason for Khalil's deportation, Edgar asserted this:

Let me put it this way, Michel, imagine if he came in and filled out the form and said, 'I want a student visa.' They asked him, 'What are you going to do here?' And he says, 'I'm going to go and protest.' We would have never let him into the country.

That's the slippery slope in action: First, the illicit activity is pro-Hamas protesting. Then it's expanded to pro-Palestinian protesting. Finally, it's any kind of protesting at all. It's deeply telling that Khalil's would-be deporters are not even bothering to distinguish him from garden variety anti-Israel activism. What this means is that the State Department is effectively asserting the right to crack down on all sorts of protesters for national security–adjacent reasons so vague that it strains all credulity.

Supporters of free speech must oppose the arbitrary detention of a U.S. green card holder for participating in anti-Israel protests, and it is not a particularly close case. But the government's own defense of its actions is so pitiful that people should feel moved toward real outrage on Khalil's behalf.

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I'm joined by Amber Duke to discuss Khalil's case, the heroic stand by Rep. Thomas Massie (R–Ky.), Randi Weingarten fuming over cuts to the Education Department, and Elon Musk's latest court battles.

 

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  1. VULGAR MADMAN   5 months ago

    Those assholes just took over Trump Tower by force.
    According to the world’s greatest libertarian that means shooting those miserable trust fund brats is justified.

    1. Rob Misek   5 months ago

      Education” can either provide factual understanding of reality, or in fascist totalitarian places, indoctrination.

      Western civilization has always claimed moral superiority by supporting the former, it’s why free speech is an inalienable right.

      This is what all students have come to rightfully expect and want to promote in their education experience.

      Long before Trumps fascist reign, the US gave the UN all the authority of the United States when it signed the UN genocide convention.

      Israel is on trial in the United Nations International Court of Justice for committing genocide in Gaza. Citizens tax dollars funding that is something to protest.

      Trumps Zionist best bum buddy Netanyahu has international warrants for his arrest for war crimes. This international war criminal STILL gives speeches on our mainstream media. That’s something to protest.

      Trump makes counter arguments illegal. Bigotry is now US law. That’s something to protest.

      That’s what he was protesting! While supporting the UN and the United States signatory obligations to it. This is exactly why 1a exists to enable protesting treasonous government actions.

      Trump, working for Zionist fascists has put him in chains. YOU’RE NEXT.

      1. VULGAR MADMAN   5 months ago

        Nazism is just another form of communism you dumb nazi faggot.

        1. charliehall   5 months ago

          Sorry you are a product of the poor educational system in the US and were not taught how totally different they were, or how many Communists the Nazis killed, or how many Nazis the Communists killed.

          1. markm23   5 months ago

            And you've forgotten that the USSR divided Poland with Nazi Germany.

          2. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   5 months ago

            Pretty sure you're a product of the gov't schools, you ignoramus.

          3. Alberto Balsalm   5 months ago

            charliehall, you need to realize that, in this particular area of the internets, every atrocity ever committed throughout history is because of the marxists. There is no such thing as right-wing tyranny here. This a right-wing tyranny safe space.

      2. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   5 months ago

        Refuted with an extra side of retarded.

        1. Michael Ejercito   5 months ago

          Did a Jewish girl turns down his sexual advances?

          Or was that a Jewish boy?

          1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (Trump Ascendant!! )   5 months ago

            Pin Jews wanted to bottom him, so he got real mad.

      3. Rob Misek   5 months ago

        Trump and his war criminal buddy Netanyahu may be happy as the US is recognized as the festering boil enabling and supporting the genocide in Gaza.

        Make no mistake about it many other nations are supporting the genocide as well just more quietly. This is far more widespread than Israel and the US would have you believe.

        They are recognized by their absence from supporting the South African ICJ genocide case against Israel.

        What are YOU going to actually DO about it? READ? WHINE? OR GET OFF YOUR ASS AND PROTEST?

        These are the ONLY nations opposing the Israeli genocide in Gaza. If yours isn’t on the list, you’re supporting it too.

        14 nations that have formally joined the case against Israel

        South Africa
        Bolivia
        Maldives
        Chile
        Türkiye
        Spain
        Palestine
        Mexico
        Libya
        Columbia
        Nicaragua
        Ireland
        Egypt
        Cuba

        20 nations that have declared their intention to support the case against Israel

        Belgium
        Algeria
        Bangladesh
        Brazil
        China
        Comoros
        Djibouti
        Indonesia
        Iraq
        Jordan
        Lebanon
        Malaysia
        Namibia
        Pakistan
        Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic
        Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
        Slovenia
        Syria
        Venezuela
        Zimbabwe

        These are the ONLY NATIONS opposing this genocide in Gaza.

        The secret satanic head of the beast driving this genocide is actually freemasonry.

      4. Rob Misek   5 months ago

        The hasbara trolls have been given new instructions.

        A leopard doesn’t change its spots.

        Global outrage and DEMONSTRATIONS have simply forced the lying Zionists , whose hands are so far up Trumps ass that they’re controlling his mouth, to change the narrative in a feeble attempt to evade the lynching they deserve.

        It won’t work.

        The perpetrators of the Israeli genocide in Gaza need to swing on the gallows.

        Israel can never be allowed to govern the people of Palestine it has been trying to exterminate.

      5. Thought about __ all my life   5 months ago

        You just claimed we should not do or think X because it has no basis --- and you said it with NO BASIS
        IF Trump were HItler and liked spaghetti you would be writing against spaghetti. Tragically dumb

    2. Fire up the Woodchippers! (Trump Ascendant!! )   5 months ago

      Shoot them all. Saves us trouble down the road.

      1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (Trump Ascendant!! )   5 months ago

        More good news!

        https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/03/trump-invoke-wartime-alien-enemies-act-authorizing-summary/

        President Donald J. Trump is reportedly about to invoke wartime legislation to summarily deport some criminal migrants – including to Guantanamo Bay.

        The ‘Alien Enemies Act’ of 1798 is expected to be activated as soon as tomorrow (14).

        CBS News reported:

        “The 227-year-old law gives presidents the extraordinary power to order the arrest, detention and deportation of noncitizens who are 14 years or older and come from countries staging an ‘invasion or predatory incursion’ of the U.S.

        Mr. Trump is expected to cite the 18th-century statute to order the swift detention and deportation of suspected members of the Tren de Aragua, a Venezuelan gang with prison origins that his administration has designated a foreign terrorist organization, said the sources, who requested anonymity to discuss internal deliberations.“

        Ooohhhhhhh….. Pedo Jeffy, Sarc, and Tony are going to be have conniptions over this!

        1. Chipper Chunked Chile Con Congress (ex NCW)   5 months ago

          Is it wrong of me to hope for true apoplexy?

        2. charliehall   5 months ago

          This may be good news in the long run. That 18th century law helped to destroy the Federalist Party. Hopefully Trump's use of it will destroy the Republican Party.

          1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (Trump Ascendant!! )   5 months ago

            Cunt, it’s gong to get real fucking bad for you.

          2. Thought about __ all my life   5 months ago

            YOu don't understand what John Quincy Adams meant

    3. Thought about __ all my life   5 months ago

      Nobody can tell what you mean.
      Are you approving ? You say 'according to' and then give absolutely no response.

  2. Sometimes a Great Notion   5 months ago

    Wrong! Bye, bye. Next person in line can win the lottery and take his place. There is no shortage of people waiting to get into our country.

    And send back any of the 98 that were just arrested today, if not citizens. Refuse a lawful order to disband, get a more severe consequence.

    1. Mockamodo   5 months ago

      We shouldn't need to supply court hearings and all that to deport anyone who isn't a born or naturalized citizen. You're a foreign national, you have no rights here other than to follow our laws, you don't have freedom of speech, you don't have freedom of arms, you are not under the jurisdiction of the constitution of these United States, you're simply a guest.

  3. Rick James   5 months ago

    Here's Spiked Online, discussing this very subject from a British perspective.

    1. JoeJoetheIdiotCircusBoy   5 months ago

      Except the people they are talking at Spiked about are convicted criminals and/or actual terrorists. Two things that, according to the current administration, this dude is not. Rather than trying to argue that this kid is some kind of criminal (if he is, then charge him and deport him), I find it more persuasive to have the debate about how much leeway green card holders should get.

      1. damikesc   5 months ago

        Sec of State has authority to rescind visas and green cards with no criminal charge required.

        Harping on "He broke no law" is silliness. He violated the terms of having the visa and green card in the first place.

        And, Robby, they "arrested" him, so they can deport him. Would your plan be to take him off the streets and just send him straight to his home country? I don't think you'd like that much.

        1. mad.casual   5 months ago

          It's yet another piece of idiocy from the leftist morons at reason who want to pretend that borders are imaginary and that the Founding Fathers didn't even know the meaning of the word "naturalization".

        2. Vernon Depner   5 months ago

          Maybe someday we'll have Deportation Drones that can just snatch them up and deposit them back in their shitholes.

        3. Don’t get eliminated   5 months ago

          "Would your plan be to take him off the streets and just send him straight to his home country?"

          Just don't use unmarked vans. Those are the worst.

        4. charliehall   5 months ago

          Only after due process. And given that ICE made an illegal entry and didn't have an arrest warrant, he clearly didn't get due process.

          1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (Trump Ascendant!! )   5 months ago

            You still don’t understand. He’s being deported. Not charged with a crime.

      2. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   5 months ago

        The agreement he signed to obtain his green card doesn't require a criminal conviction. But please defend a guest to this country advocating this..

        Khalil's group says it intends to get guidance from its Bangladeshi "comrades" who violently overthrew the government as part of their shared "Global Intifada"

        Jamaat-e-Islami is the Islamist extremist group largely behind the Bangladeshi uprising Khalil so admires.

        The group has been linked to Hamas and is described as Southeast Asia's counterpart to the Muslim Brotherhood (Hamas's parent org).

        Khalil's group frequently incites vandalism & property destruction.

        In this video, Khalil's group boasts about spraypainted graffiti on campus.

        https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1899348525298729368.html

        Even included a crime for you!

        1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (Trump Ascendant!! )   5 months ago

          Deport them all to Sweden. Even if they say they’re not from there.

          1. Marshal   5 months ago

            I hear Roman Maroni set up a deportee transition facility. It's run by Somali expats but the government funds it. Good luck getting in.

      3. Don’t get eliminated   5 months ago

        It's still the same subject.

    2. Don’t get eliminated   5 months ago

      Interesting, thanks.

  4. Bubba Jones   5 months ago

    Assuming he was in his first 5 years of green card, this is a probationary period where you are explicitly not allowed to espouse terrorism.

    Fuck that guy. Reason is always picking the least outrageous examples of government overreach. There must be hundreds of truly sympathetic people getting fucked. Write about them.

    1. chemjeff radical individualist   5 months ago

      It's the unsympathetic cases which demonstrate the commitment to principle. It's easy to say "I favor free speech rights of grandmas and patriots". It's much harder to say "I favor free speech rights of Nazis and bigots". The principled free speech defender should be able to do both. As we see, very few of those are around here.

      1. Marshal   5 months ago

        On the other hand there are plenty of people here who want open borders for terrorism supporters. It's probably because the shared hatred of America guarantees their political support.

        1. chemjeff radical individualist   5 months ago

          There are some people who want to distinguish between speech and actions, who think free speech should be protected, but actions which violate people's rights should not be.

          And then there are those who do not.

          Which one are you?

          1. Marshal   5 months ago

            I'm the kind of person who thinks supporting terrorism is un-American. You must be the other kind.

            1. chemjeff radical individualist   5 months ago

              I think supporting terrorism is un-American as well. I think supporting lots of things is un-American. I don't want to violate everyone's rights because of it though. People have the right to advocate for un-American things if they want, even if I disagree with the content of their advocacy. Do you agree?

              1. Marshal   5 months ago

                We have the right to decide who can come to America, and it's perfectly reasonable to say people who support terrorism are not eligible to come here. In addition I think left wingers should make their opposition to this a core election issue

                1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   5 months ago

                  To Jeff terrorism is a type of job and proof they came here to work.

                  1. chemjeff radical individualist   5 months ago

                    To Jesse, doing a Google search for "ways to get an abortion" is grounds for imprisonment.

                    1. Don't get eliminated   5 months ago

                      I thought we were talking about immigration?

                      BTW,

                      Does the president have the authority to remove the security clearance of a law firm?

                2. chemjeff radical individualist   5 months ago

                  Do you think people have the right to advocate for things that you or I might regard as un-American?

                  1. Marshal   5 months ago

                    Do you think we should grant known terrorism supporters visas, greencards, and citizenship?

                  2. DesigNate   5 months ago

                    They have every right to do that. We don’t have an obligation to let them stay here if they aren’t citizens.

                  3. BigT   5 months ago

                    Yes, but not for terrorist organizations or other enemies of the USA. It's low level treason. Hamas is a designated terrorist organization, so support of Hamas is criminal.

                  4. Fire up the Woodchippers! (Trump Ascendant!! )   5 months ago

                    Weasel question from a massive shitweasel.

            2. chemjeff radical individualist   5 months ago

              More to the point, do you distinguish between speech and actions?

              Do you distinguish between someone who says "kill the Jews", and someone who actually commits a violent act against a specific Jewish target like vandalizing a synagogue? Should these two individuals be treated the same way?

              1. Marshal   5 months ago

                Do you believe someone who says "I hate Americans and I'm going to kill as many as I can" should be allowed to immigrate? After all, its just speech.

                1. chemjeff radical individualist   5 months ago

                  Do you think foreigners should be punished for speech that citizens would not be punished for?

                  1. Marshal   5 months ago

                    Do you believe non-citizens should have all the rights citizens have?

          2. DGE (Lying Jeffy is ambivalent about 14yr olds getting gang raped)   5 months ago

            Does the president have the authority to remove the security clearance of a law firm?

            1. chemjeff radical individualist   5 months ago

              Why are you lying about me in your nick?

              1. DGE (Lying Jeffy is ambivalent about 14yr olds getting gang raped)   5 months ago

                Does the president have the authority to remove the security clearance of a law firm?

                1. chemjeff radical individualist   5 months ago

                  Oh so you're going to continue to lie and defame me. So why again should I give one single shit about anything that you have to say?

                  This is a new low even for you. If you are going to claim that I am "ambivalent about gang rape" then you can fuck right off.

                  1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (Trump Ascendant!! )   5 months ago

                    The truth is the ultimate defense against bullshit defamation claims such as yours.

                2. chemjeff radical individualist   5 months ago

                  But, in some small measure, I am vindicated by your change of nick - because it proves all along what I've been saying, that you are only here to troll and defame.

                  You don't see me changing my nick to say "Troll Mac is an asshole", do you?

                  1. DGE (Lying Jeffy is ambivalent about 14yr olds getting gang raped)   5 months ago

                    Does the president have the authority to remove the security clearance of a law firm?

                    1. chemjeff radical individualist   5 months ago

                      Fuck off, asshole.

                    2. DGE (Lying Jeffy is ambivalent about 14yr olds getting gang raped)   5 months ago

                      Does the president have the authority to remove the security clearance of a law firm?

                    3. chemjeff radical individualist   5 months ago

                      Do you think you are being truthful in your nick?

                    4. Don't get eliminated   5 months ago

                      Does the president have the authority to remove the security clearance of a law firm?

      2. Jay Ash   5 months ago

        it would be nice if every once in a while the usual suspects actually advocated for the rights of the sympathetic who are otherwise unheard from and who have no champions to raise awareness. but when they focus 99% of their commentary on the rights of the unsympathetic, who are already getting lots of airtime, well, it seems lazy at best, trite and rote.

      3. DesigNate   5 months ago

        He absolutely should have the right to say what he wants.

        He entered into a contract with the American government, if his reprehensible speech violates that, too fucking bad.

      4. Heresolong   5 months ago

        I support NOT allowing people to emigrate here and become citizens if they espouse terrorism and anti-Americanism. The Constitution is not a suicide pact. He hates America, he can go home.

      5. charliehall   5 months ago

        Amen. Khalil is basically a Nazi but evdn Nazis have rights.

        1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (Trump Ascendant!! )   5 months ago

          Amd he can exercise those rights, in his home country.

  5. mad.casual   5 months ago

    But the government's own defense of its actions is so pitiful that people should feel moved toward real outrage on Khalil's behalf.

    Imagine for a moment that Khalil's unequivocal support of violent terrorism was performed, not out of desire for peace or enlightenment or prosperity or camaraderie or any of the other values that, while largely refined in The West, have bred and led to the success and prosperity of people of many nations throughout the world, but for no other reason than to make you feel compelled to shame me into outrage I will never feel.

    I feel no shame from or by your misguided will.

  6. Marshal   5 months ago

    could a Russian student who voiced skepticism of U.S. support for Ukraine have faced deportation for threatening U.S. foreign policy under the previous State Department, for instance?

    Lets make this comparable:

    The Russian non-student is the spokesperson for an organization which calls for both terrorism and the "total eradication of Western Civilization.

    Yes, I think we should keep people like this out of America. If our current process doesn't screen people like this out we should change it to do so.

    1. Marshal   5 months ago

      They are effectively claiming that he is in league with terrorists because he has participated in anti-Israel protests.

      He wasn't a "participant", he was the spokesman for Columbia University Apartheid Divest (CUAD) which openly supports "militants" and the "total eradication of Western Civilization".

      1. mad.casual   5 months ago

        Right. I pointed this out yesterday, after shit they started hits the fan, suddenly they're all just Islamic Religious Scholars just like the burgeoning rap artists and Michael Jackson impersonators.

        It's dishonest, subversive, and detrimental to them, us, Robby, even innocent bystanders who will get swept up in the next occupation, but it gets clicks and gives them a moral superiority dopamine hit... so here we are.

    2. mad.casual   5 months ago

      And, again, we booted a number of Russians out of the country, and jail or hound and impoverish natives for posting memes on the Social Medias. Not even violent/eradication memes, just leaders of political parties/religious figures arm wrestling.

      1. Marshal   5 months ago

        I don't remember this, is there a decent summary somewhere?

        1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   5 months ago

          https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/mar/18/biden-administration-russia-deportations

          1. Marshal   5 months ago

            Unfortunately that's not directly on point, they were denied asylum.

            But let's say instead they were Russians here on visas advocating not just that Russia engage in the war against Ukraine but the complete annihilation of Ukrainians there and terrorist attacks against Ukrainians everywhere. Absolutely kick them out.

            We should ask immigration / visa / greencard applicants if they support terrorism. Yes is an auto-denial and if we find out later the do their approval is revoked for lying on the application.

            1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   5 months ago

              Yeah. Search engines suck lately. Some got deported after 2016 elections for "interference. "

              Here is one.

              https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/headlines/2019/oct/deported-informant-important-russia-symbol

              1. Vernon Depner   5 months ago

                Try Yandex.

            2. charliehall   5 months ago

              The Trump Administration supports the genocidal terrorism by Russia against Ukraine. Basically it is very selective in deciding which terrorism it likes and which it doesn't.

        2. mad.casual   5 months ago

          Re: Russians - Maria Butina and the, no-shit, Illegals Program

          Re: Memes - The Internet Research Agency

          Re: jail or hound and impoverish - Douglas Mackey, Hunter Biden for failure to declare (i.e. non-speech, just like the Russians above), Alex Jones...

          I think Hunter Biden is the most pointed example because it shows that A) the "MUH FREE SPEECH" argument is fundamentally retarded and dishonest even for natives, and B) it's the same partisan activist bullshit. We aren't talking about some no-name green card holder who just got caught up in a crowd somewhere or a scapegoat who made an independent youtube film about The Innocence of Muslims.

          Again, I'm not saying whether green card holders *should be* prevented from being arrested and deported for free speech. I'm simply saying they are not. Not even Americans, apparently even Presidential candidates are immune to prosecution for failure to declare or defrauding the American public.

          The idea that Kahlil's case is clear is plainly stupid the whole issue is an abject shitshow. It's been known since at least, Sep. 1, 2002 that actual terrorists exploit the immigration system up to and including green cards. The idea that we have to wait until they start pulling the trigger, even if they're announcing their intent to kill, is just stupid.

          The degree to which journalism broadly gives precisely zero shits for people who voice opinions that they don't like is far more oppressive and ethically criminal than virtually anything the Trump Administration could possibly do, and that doesn't even get into the censorship regime.

        3. Chipper Chunked Chile Con Congress (ex NCW)   5 months ago

          There was that guy who went to prison for posting a meme about voting by text message.

  7. Think It Through   5 months ago

    I, too, think it's an easy call. The other direction.

    No one has a right to be here. "I don't like the cut of your jib" would be a good enough reason for me, if I was a judge.

    1. Fist of Etiquette   5 months ago

      I have a right to be here, mister. Khalil, on the other hand, can go be a dick somewhere else.

  8. Jay Ash   5 months ago

    I can believe all the lawyers, including I think Eugene Volokh who say it's not an easy call, or I can stop reading and listening and just put my faith in yet another journalist.

    1. Marshal   5 months ago

      There was a very long essay trying to describe all the issues, unfortunately behind a paywall. But essentially all the people claiming this is an easy free speech decision are reaching that conclusion by ignoring everything but the 10% of circumstances which support them.

      1. charliehall   5 months ago

        The current Supreme Court is First Amendment Absolutist.

  9. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   5 months ago

    Such an easy call tha too writer for Reason can make it.

    Not one of you has cited actual law around visas or green cards.

    Not one of you has mentioned the open advocating for terrorism or the destruction of the US by Khalil and the group he belongs to.

    Maybe you should do som easy research before making the easy call?

  10. Thoritsu   5 months ago

    Fuck him. We don't need him. See ya.

  11. CharlieG   5 months ago

    Robby, he is a member, the negotiator, of a group that took over buildings on campus. The group has the intent as westerners to fight and end western civilization. They want the global south to rise up and end western civilization. He is a member of that group. He has violated 8 USC 1227 (a)(4)(C)(i).

    He wasn't merely a member of a protest, and he wasn't merely arrested for speech.

    1. But SkyNet is a Private Company   5 months ago

      lol “Politics”

  12. Gaear Grimsrud   5 months ago

    From the statute posted here several times the only requirement for deportation is the opinion of the Secretary of State. This individual clearly and explicitly espouses the goals of Hamas an organization that was classified as terrorist before Trump ever took office. If Robby doesn't like it he can advocate for revising the law or changing the classification of Hamas. But instead he just jumps on the latest leftists bandwagon claiming that it's all murky but he's pretty sure 1A is somehow compromised. This really isn't complicated. The dude could have kept his head down and had a nice life with his wife and baby. But he fucked up. Adios.

    1. MollyGodiva   5 months ago

      That law is quite old and would be unlikely to survive the modern due process requirements.

      1. Vernon Depner   5 months ago

        Cite?

      2. Marshal   5 months ago

        How ridiculous, due process has nothing to do with the law's age. All they need to do is show they had a hearing to review the evidence.

        1. MollyGodiva   5 months ago

          Age is relevant because it was written when we interpreted the Constitution quite differently than we do now, and it is rarely used and this not challenged lately.

          1. Gaear Grimsrud   5 months ago

            The due process is literally stated in the statute. No further interpretation required.

          2. Commenter_XY   5 months ago

            The Immigration & Naturalization Act was written in 1952. Yah, ancient times.

            1. MollyGodiva   5 months ago

              A large chunks of our current civil rights were ruled in to existence by SCOTUS after 1952.

              1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   5 months ago

                That's called changing the subject, you slimy pile of lefty shit.

              2. DesigNate   5 months ago

                No, they weren’t.

        2. charliehall   5 months ago

          There was no hearing, but there was an illegal entry and a warrantless arrest by federal law enforcement officers.

      3. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   5 months ago

        False.

        Ussc has co siste try upheld turnaways at the border including those with valid visas. They have consistently stated not all rights apply to foreigners.

        They have also stated that visas and green cards are akin to contracts and violation of those contracts lead to revocation.

        You're always so wrong. Try education instead of emotion.

  13. Vernon Depner   5 months ago

    "We don't throw people in detention centers because of their politics."

    No, we don't. But we can deport foreigners who promote terrorism. In fact, we can deport foreigners we don't want here for any reason.

    1. Uncle Jay   5 months ago

      "We don't throw people in detention centers because of their politics."

      The J6 political prisoners disagree.

      1. Vernon Depner   5 months ago

        They were pardoned. It worked out.

    2. charliehall   5 months ago

      Not without due process.

  14. MWAocdoc   5 months ago

    "the detention of a student activist for engaging in what would clearly be considered First Amendment–protected activity under other circumstances"

    First of all, no one has yet answered the question whether he personally "occupied" university offices, or perhaps conspired with others to occupy university offices, neither of which would "clearly be considered" to be protected under the First Amendment. So please give it a rest until you have the answers to that question.

    1. Vernon Depner   5 months ago

      But these aren't "other circumstances". He's an openly hostile foreigner visiting here at our pleasure. He does not enjoy the rights of a citizen.

      1. MWAocdoc   5 months ago

        Yeah I was going to mention that too, but glad you did.

      2. charliehall   5 months ago

        Non citizens have the same free speech and due process rights as citizens. So says the Constitution.

    2. chemjeff radical individualist   5 months ago

      no one has yet answered the question whether he personally "occupied" university offices

      But you see, he said bad things. So his individual actions don't matter anymore. He is presumed guilty of all the terrible things.

      This is what happens when you have matters of law and justice decided by feelings and outrage, rather than by logic and evidence.

      1. MWAocdoc   5 months ago

        For the record I don't approve of a lot of the high-handed things Trump has been doing lately, although I do approve of some of the other high-handed things that he has been doing which should have been done long ago. I was simply pointing out that the outrage here is very premature since we do not yet know what this guy DID, only what he SAID.

        1. chemjeff radical individualist   5 months ago

          But the outrage is NOT premature to those who are demanding his scalp. They WANT these matters to be decided on the basis of emotion and outrage. Look, he said something mean! Deport his ass! That is the level of 'thinking' that we have around here.

          1. DGE (Lying Jeffy is ambivalent about 14yr olds getting gang raped)   5 months ago

            Does the president have the authority to remove the security clearance of a law firm?

            1. chemjeff radical individualist   5 months ago

              Pathetic.

              1. Don't get eliminated   5 months ago

                Does the president have the authority to remove the security clearance of a law firm?

  15. Vernon Depner   5 months ago

    Edgar did not even bother to draw a distinction between pro-Hamas activism and pro-Palestinian activism.

    Maybe that's because Khalil's activism was specifically pro-Hamas. He wasn't camping on the lawn prior to Israel's retaliation for the Hamas massacre.

  16. sarcasmic   5 months ago

    Look at all the appeals to authority. If they were worth money these comments would be a gold mine.

    1. But SkyNet is a Private Company   5 months ago

      The “Appeals to Authority” are citing immigration law?

      1. chemjeff radical individualist   5 months ago

        Do you favor vague laws that grant broad discretionary authority to the executive branch?

        1. But SkyNet is a Private Company   5 months ago

          There’s absolutely nothing vague about it, shitstain

      2. sarcasmic   5 months ago

        By definition, yes.

        Immigration law, like all law, is backed up with "fuck you, that's why."

        While thought and reason are backed up with "hey man, this makes sense."

        All I see is the former. I see none of the latter.

        1. Jay Ash   5 months ago

          Why even write laws down? Why have laws? We just need more courts made up of wise men.

          1. sarcasmic   5 months ago

            First off I’d rather defer to people who use brains instead of guns, second law is the rules society follows while legislation is words backed by government violence that are usually ten years behind society, and finally fuck you for saying I don’t want to do anything at alll unless it’s done with force.

            1. TrickyVic (old school)   5 months ago

              We once had this thing called Schoolhouse Rock that explained how legislation becomes law. Law is just legislation passed.

              I'm not sure what you mean by rules society follows.

      3. Nobartium   5 months ago

        The drunkard doesn't understand that.

        Unironically, he is an authority unto himself, which also means that he falls for this fallacy.

    2. Mickey Rat   5 months ago

      It is a legal dispute, every side is appealing to what it thinks is the applicable legal authority. That is what the judicial system does.

      1. MWAocdoc   5 months ago

        That is what it does when it's not making up novel theories and twisting the meaning of words and logic and cherry-picking facts to arrive at a conclusion that was made before the process started. Not to mention writing ten-thousand-word "opinions" that cannot hold up under scrutiny hoping that most readers will fall sound asleep and start snoring before reaching the end.

  17. Fats of Fury   5 months ago

    Here's some more free speechifyin' in NYC.

    https://x.com/ShidelerK/status/1900265820825018788

  18. Fats of Fury   5 months ago

    Here's some peaceable assemblage on private property.

    https://x.com/search?q=trump%20tower&src=typed_query

  19. chemjeff radical individualist   5 months ago

    So, let me ask again.
    What rights do you think foreigners SHOULD have in this country?
    And, from where do you think these rights originate?

    I'm not talking about what the law currently says.
    I'm not talking about the rights you think foreigners SHOULDN'T have.
    I'm asking what you think the standard ought to be.

    1. damikesc   5 months ago

      What rights do you feel they should have?

      1. chemjeff radical individualist   5 months ago

        Oh no no. I'm not making this discussion about me. I want to know what is the standard that you support.

        1. damikesc   5 months ago

          But you want to make the discussion about somebody like me?

          Got it.

          GFY.

      2. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   5 months ago

        He mostly defends the right to rape teenagers, the right to your tax dollars, the right to not follow US laws, etc etc.

    2. sarcasmic   5 months ago

      They should not have any rights. Unless they're white evangelical Zionists.

      1. Marshal   5 months ago

        If you pay attention leftists will reveal what they think. This one believes preventing terrorist supporters from coming to America is the same as ... murdering them because they aren't white? They're not too bright.

        I'm not sure how it could be racist unless he believes only certain races support terrorism. That seems more racist to me.

      2. SIV   5 months ago

        The only right white evangelical Zionists have is to defend Israel. I can remember when those ant-American fucks were demanding the release of Johnathan Pollard because the US shouldn't have any secrets they aren't willing to share with Israel, who sold classified submarine drive plans to the Soviet Union and God only knows what else and to whom because it's still top secret.

    3. Mickey Rat   5 months ago

      An alien is legally in the country at the sufference of the sovereign power. That means their ability to stay in country is a privilege, not a right. If the resident alien excessively tries that forbearance, the privilege can be revoked. What constitutes a violation of that forbearance is debatable, as well as what constitutes due process are debatable points.

      1. chemjeff radical individualist   5 months ago

        So what you seem to be arguing, is that foreigners do not have any rights per se, only privileges granted by the sovereign masquerading as 'rights'. Is that correct?

    4. Vernon Depner   5 months ago

      In order to promote commerce, science, and education, legal foreign visitors should be extended the privilege of being treated as if they enjoyed most of the rights of citizens. This privilege should not be construed as a "right". It does not include any right to remain here if the responsible authorities decide they are no longer welcome. When that welcome is withdrawn, they have the right to be deported without unnecessary harm to them.

      1. chemjeff radical individualist   5 months ago

        So like above, you seem to be arguing that foreigners don't really have any rights per se, just privileges masquerading as rights. Is that correct?

        When that welcome is withdrawn, they have the right to be deported without unnecessary harm to them.

        Where does THIS right come from? Why can't the government, say, just torture or murder them?

        1. Vernon Depner   5 months ago

          I fed the sea lion. Should have known better.

          1. chemjeff radical individualist   5 months ago

            I mean, if you don't have a good answer to my questions, then just say so.

            1. Vernon Depner   5 months ago

              I answered your question. That was a mistake.

              1. damikesc   5 months ago

                Sadly it very much was.

                Do not assume good faith in his questions.

          2. Chipper Chunked Chile Con Congress (ex NCW)   5 months ago

            Yes.

        2. Nobartium   5 months ago

          Why can't the government, say, just torture or murder them?

          We aren't North Korea.

          1. chemjeff radical individualist   5 months ago

            Okay, so what you seem to be arguing here, is that the foreigners don't have a right not to be murdered, the only reason that the government chooses not to murder migrants is because of the grace of the government?

            1. Nobartium   5 months ago

              government chooses not to murder migrants is because of the grace of the governmentpopulace?

              Not all peoples in other countries agree.

        3. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   5 months ago

          What a weird question given you said cops could shoot J6 protestors for trespassing on public property.

          1. chemjeff radical individualist   5 months ago

            Those acting in the defense of the lives or property of others can rightly use lethal force in that defense. Do you disagree? If so, why?

            1. DesigNate   5 months ago

              Against unarmed protesters and by firing blindly into a crowd? Not really “acting in the defense of the lives or property of others” there chief.

    5. MWAocdoc   5 months ago

      I think that visitors to the United States should have the same rights as citizens except that citizens cannot be deported if they commit a crime, while visitors can be deported after serving their sentences. Citizens may temporarily or permanently lose some of their rights as a consequence of being convicted of certain crimes, which does not apply to deportees since they would no longer be in the United States.

  20. Homer Thompson   5 months ago

    he fucked around and found out

  21. Uncle Jay   5 months ago

    Mahmoud Khalil has a right to speak his mind in the US as long as he does not advocate violence.
    If he did advocate violence, such as the kidnapping, raping and murdering of Israeli and American citizens, then he has to go back to the Middle East shit hole where he came from.
    The question becomes, did he advocate violence?
    If so, then he should be sent back.

    1. chemjeff radical individualist   5 months ago

      Mahmoud Khalil has a right to speak his mind in the US as long as he does not advocate violence.

      See, THIS is a type of standard. Not sure I entirely agree with it, but at least it's a standard.

      What precisely do you mean by "advocate violence"? Would a banal broad statement like "Death to Jews" count? Or does it have to advocate a specific act of violence against a specific person or group of people?

    2. AT   5 months ago

      No, he shouldn't be sent back.

      His head should be sent back. And not to Hamastine - but with a priority mail, return receipt straight to Ali Khamenei.

      And when the box is opened, the grenade we stuffed in his mouth should go off.

    3. MWAocdoc   5 months ago

      This is impossible to determine let alone enforce. Advocating violence, like saying the United States should declare war on Russia? Or advocating violence like committing armed robbery? Or advocating violence like terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center? Only ACTIONS can be punishable under reasonably objective criteria, never simple speech, even advocacy however you define it.

  22. Commenter_XY   5 months ago

    This is not a case about free speech. This is a case of a SecState using his plenary authority granted to him by Congress under the Immigration & Naturalization Act to revoke the green card of, and deport aliens who....By being present in the U.S., would create potentially serious adverse foreign policy consequences, as adjudged by the U.S. Secretary of State.

    This isn't a constitutional issue, it is a personal consequences issue.

    1. MWAocdoc   5 months ago

      Except that it IS a Constitutional issue since the Congress did not have the authority to abdicate its responsibility under that Constitution. Even if we assume that the Congress had that authority the laws you cited are unconstitutionally broad and vague and should have been nullified shortly after they were implemented.

    2. charliehall   5 months ago

      It is absolutely a Constitutional issue because free speech and due process rights are granted by the Constitution to all "persons" not just citizens.

  23. AT   5 months ago

    There is no 1st Amendment Right to terrorism, Robby.

    This guy is a terrorist.

  24. I, Woodchipper   5 months ago

    I could not care less about Mahmoud either way. The administration is well within their rights to deport him and importing anti--american agitators as grad students is clearly a terrible idea so I dont care if this has a chilling effect on others who want to do this.

    That said I also dont give a shit if nothing happened either. this is so unimportant overall

    1. chemjeff radical individualist   5 months ago

      The "chilling effect" isn't really about people who literally espouse terrorism. It is about people who express criticism of the government, and that such criticism the government will dishonestly label as "support for terrorism" in order to suppress the criticism.

      1. Marshal   5 months ago

        It's not difficult to understand the difference between people who support terrorism and peaceful protesters. In Khalil's case he rather helpfully joined an organization which stated in writing they support terrorism and want to eradicate Western Civilization.

        Left wingers pretend this distinction is difficult because they want to protect terrorism supporters, not because they want to protect peaceful protesters.

        1. chemjeff radical individualist   5 months ago

          *Libertarians* jealously guard their liberties, and they do so by sticking up for the liberties of everyone around them, even the ones with whom they disagree. This is because libertarians understand that when the liberties of some are degraded, the liberties of all are threatened.

          Statist sycophants like yourself understand that they can more easily trample on the liberties of the people that they hate by conflating a peaceful expression of liberty with action that violates people's rights. They also try to shame bystanders into going along with their liberty-destroying agenda by accusing them of supporting the content of distasteful speech if they don't agree to trampling on the rights of others, rather than sticking up for the rights of people to say distasteful things.

          1. Marshal   5 months ago

            I'm always amused when leftists call other people statists. But as usual your framing is all wrong. Non-citizens do not have a right to come here, and if we do allow them here it is conditional. One of the perfectly reasonable conditions is that they do not support terrorism.

            We know you hate this because you specifically desire immigrants who hate America over other immigrants as that aligns with your own political views. But I am perfectly happy with your support for terrorist supporting immigrants to remain a core difference between us.

            1. chemjeff radical individualist   5 months ago

              You are literally the statist here, siding with the state against the liberties of the individual. Sorry not sorry that you cannot handle this realization of truth.

              when the liberties of some are degraded, the liberties of all are threatened.

              Do you agree or disagree? And why?

              1. Marshal   5 months ago

                Non-citizens do not have the right to come here without our permission, so it's a lie to claim their liberties have been degraded.

                Do you believe known terrorists should be granted visas, greencards, and immigration?

                1. Vernon Depner   5 months ago

                  He believes child rapers should be allowed to come here, so terrorists would not be much of a stretch.

                2. Mike Parsons   5 months ago

                  Jeff is open borders, so he thinks that everyone has all of the rights a citizen does, full stop.

                  You cant have these kinds of adult conversations with children that are open borders.

                  Hey I wonder if any other countries behave this way. *checks* Oh, literally just about all of them do.

                  1. Marshal   5 months ago

                    I think the conversation went fine. We learned unequivocally that Jeffey believes we shouldn't keep terrorism supporters out of America. I'm fine that he thinks calling me a statist is worth this admission. I hope every leftist in America tells ten people the same thing. I'll pay for the campaign ads.

          2. charliehall   5 months ago

            We now have the most Statist regime since the Wilson Administration.

    2. MWAocdoc   5 months ago

      "Chilling effect" isn't really a thing in the first place. I don't care if someone intimidates you, even if it's the government. If you're too cowardly to stand up for your rights, you don't deserve them. Although I will proudly stand up for your rights along with mine even if it means risking death, I will not stand up for your rights while you are knowingly trampling on mine. If that results in culture wars or actual civil war, welcome to the trenches, compatriot!

  25. John Rohan   5 months ago

    Simple question. Why should we import immigrants who hate us?

    1. Vernon Depner   5 months ago

      Because some of us hate us.

  26. SRG2   5 months ago

    Clever of the Krasnov admin to choose as its initial target someone so despicable that many people not generally inclined to authoritarianism won't object - and therefore may be softened up for when the regime comes after less despicable targets

    We've seen this playbook before.

    1. Vernon Depner   5 months ago

      when the regime comes after less despicable targets

      You mean like conservative Catholics or citizens angry at their school board?

      1. SRG2   5 months ago

        Whoever the government declares an enemy of the state and hence wishes to deport with no due process. When they;re not citizens, thus excluding most of (a) and all of (b)

        But clearly you share my overall concern, though you should have had the guts to say so.

  27. Minadin   5 months ago

    No one has a right to a student visa, and no one has a right to a green card. They would have rejected his initial application if he had been truthful about what he wanted to do. OK, maybe he wasn't radicalized until he was here? But still, it's revocable.

    I've been a student abroad on a visa, a couple of times. I've had my roommates deported from foreign counties for not abiding by theirs.

    When you're a guest, try not to shit on the rug.

    1. mad.casual   5 months ago

      OK, maybe he wasn't radicalized until he was here?

      This is a bit of a key and something I think Robby is being rather intentionally naive about.

      It's well known and/or understood that terrorists have exploited the green card system and/or are even radicalized by their domestic partners.

    2. SRG2   5 months ago

      When you're a guest, try not to shit on the rug.

      Basically - but :I would still want an independent (judicial?) determination that the rug was shat on, and by the guest, not mere say so,

      1. damikesc   5 months ago

        Why would a judge have any say on this?

        They do not have any say on them coming in here...

        1. SRG2   5 months ago

          And if they left voluntarily, no judge would have a say either.

  28. IceTrey   5 months ago

    Kick out all muslims and jews let them kill each other some place else.

    1. Vernon Depner   5 months ago

      Europe tried that but they keep coming back.

  29. Michael Ejercito   5 months ago

    There is a clear statutory basis for deportation proceedings.

    Any alien who-

    (I) has engaged in a terrorist activity;

    (II) a consular officer, the Attorney General, or the Secretary of Homeland Security knows, or has reasonable ground to believe, is engaged in or is likely to engage after entry in any terrorist activity (as defined in clause (iv));

    (III) has, under circumstances indicating an intention to cause death or serious bodily harm, incited terrorist activity;

    (IV) is a representative (as defined in clause (v)) of-

    (aa) a terrorist organization (as defined in clause (vi)); or

    (bb) a political, social, or other group that endorses or espouses terrorist activity;

    (V) is a member of a terrorist organization described in subclause (I) or (II) of clause (vi);

    (VI) is a member of a terrorist organization described in clause (vi)(III), unless the alien can demonstrate by clear and convincing evidence that the alien did not know, and should not reasonably have known, that the organization was a terrorist organization;

    (VII) endorses or espouses terrorist activity or persuades others to endorse or espouse terrorist activity or support a terrorist organization;

    (VIII) has received military-type training (as defined in section 2339D(c)(1) of title 18) from or on behalf of any organization that, at the time the training was received, was a terrorist organization (as defined in clause (vi)); or

    (IX) is the spouse or child of an alien who is inadmissible under this subparagraph, if the activity causing the alien to be found inadmissible occurred within the last 5 years,

    1. Anastasia Beaverhausen   5 months ago

      Dear Heart,

      (a) So you can cut & paste... Bravo.
      (b) This is a *Libertarian* website. We don't hide behind bureaucratic mumbo-jumbo set up by agencies not called for in the Constitution. We support freedom of speech, even and especially when it's unpopular speech. Protests such as what the person in question took part in were responsible for ending the illegal and unfounded war in Vietnam, and they will be responsible eventually for the US finally backing away from meddling in the Middle East.

      1. Michael Ejercito   5 months ago

        Ilya Somin claimed this law was unconstitutional.

        But in an inferior court, the President has precedent on his side. See Harisiades v. Shaughnessy, 342 U.S. 580 (1952) (reject ing1st amendment challenge against the deportation of an alien for joining the Communist Party)

  30. Uomo Del Ghiaccio   5 months ago

    Ideas should not be a problem, but actions could be. At this point, I can't say if he overstepped into illegal territory. Additionally, he is not a citizen and is merely a legal resident which means he is here with an implicit understanding that he can be expelled for far less than an actual citizen can get away with.

  31. Mr. JD   5 months ago

    If you're the type of libertarian who believes in Open Borders, Khalil should stay.

    If you're the type of libertarian who believes that there should be no "public property", then Khalil can be given the boot by hosts who don't like him. Which is much better than locking him up, by the way - THAT would be a free speech violation.

  32. One-Punch_Man   5 months ago

    Robby, getting tired carrying the Dem's water? This isn't a 1st amendment issue. This is actually - I commit crime issue.

    Can you should me where a green card holder has a right to stay no-matter what they do? I want to come to your house and break everything, than hang out. You are ok with guests doing whatever.

    A green card is a probation to become a citizen. If it wasn't, you would just be a citizen.

  33. smitsc05   5 months ago

    Did he incite a riot? (Violence, breaking and entering, harassing students because of their religion?) Yes? Bub-bye.

    1. bacchys   5 months ago

      The government doesn't allege he incited a riot. They don't allege he committed any crimes at all. They don't allege he has an affiliation with Hamas beyond opposing Israel.

      1. XM   5 months ago

        He's a spokesperson for a group that legitimizes Hamas and calls for violence.

        It is beyond dispute that his group illegally occupied a building, holding a janitorial staff hostage. He tried to negotiate terms. The fact that he hasn't been charged with a crime is the failings of the state DA.

  34. Marc St. Stephen   5 months ago

    Is this really the hill Reason and Robby want to die on?

    Everyone in this country who is serious about getting an education toward productive work or is productively working is sick and tired of these "lots of free time" assholes supporting a fucking terrorist organization. To boot - this guy organizes protests that serve to incite fear and violence.

    And he's not a fucking citizen. Instead of being grateful for being here and getting an education and maybe a good job, he squanders his time on this crap. And you want this green card holding asswipe not to be deported back to the hellhole he wants victory for? Fuck all of you!

  35. Sequel   5 months ago

    There is a statute that ostensibly authorizes the Secretary of State to revoke visas and green cards.

    But does that statute also permit punishment for 1A-protected speech by a visa or green card holder? Or Is the Secretary required to provide something more?

    That is a serious question that implicates both the limits of Executive power and the constitutionality of the statute itself. That is all the more reason for the lower court(s) to simply decide that the Secretary is required to protect the due process and equal protection rights of the accused, whose alleged infraction is nothing more than disapproved speech.

  36. Thought about __ all my life   5 months ago

    For parents, most students, tuition-payers, peace-lovers and normal Americans, it is a simple call. GET HIS HATE-FILLED ANTI_AMERICAN ASSS OUT OF HERE

  37. holmegm   5 months ago

    ""This is America," wrote the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression in a statement. "We don't throw people in detention centers because of their politics. Doing so betrays our national commitment to freedom of speech.""

    I'm fine with removing him from the detention center, and just sending him straight back to his homeland.

    1. AT   5 months ago

      Or down a hole.

    2. Thought about __ all my life   5 months ago

      FIRE says that NOW but he has been on a hate campaign for a long time. FIRE will go extinct soon for this kind of hatred of victims

  38. Thought about __ all my life   5 months ago

    I've noticed growing discontent with you and your "green card gives you all the privileges of citizineship and none of the responsibilities' rap.
    You are making Libertarianism look like shit.
    The very prestigious City Journal takes the complete opposite view to you and makes you look childish and hardhearted
    https://www.city-journal.org/article/mahmoud-khalil-arrest-columbia-deport-hamas
    Mahmoud Khalil Doesn’t Deserve to Be in the U.S.
    The former Columbia University student has been a ringleader of anti-Semitic activity and pro-Hamas demonstrations.

    1. charliehall   5 months ago

      Free speech and due process are not rights of citizens. They are rights given by the Constitution to all persons. You obviously have never read the Constitution.

  39. XM   5 months ago

    Oh the insanity, it burns.

    The KKK has the right to burn crosses in their own backyards. They broke no law. We don't have to grant them green cards or work visas in deference in their 1A rights. Is it illegal for the DMV, a government agency, to fire an employee over taking over its offices and urging infitada?

    He was a spokesperson for a Hamas sympathizers who occupied campus buildings. They called for violence against the west, the Jews, and effectively held a janitor hostage. Their protest was 100% illegal - trespassing and violation of campus speech code.

    Close your eyes, and replace these student protesters on campus with hooded KKK members. Now, make the argument that we should not deport the green card holder who acted as their spokesperson.

    1. charliehall   5 months ago

      If he did incite a building takeover, prosecute him for it. Notably neither New York County nor the federal government has tried to indict him for anything. He was arrested because the government doesn't like his political views. That is the beginning of a Totalitarian state.

      1. XM   5 months ago

        Why the NY county declined to charge him is beyond obvious. The feds couldn't charge him, and Trump wasn't president last year.

        You do not need to be convicted of any crime to have your green card revoked. He detained to be deported, not arrested for a speech crime.

        https://x.com/AGHamilton29/status/1900977238327120255

        Urging violence against anyone on private property is not "political view". Were J6 people expressing a "political view" in the capitol?

        You people are eternally hostile to free speech, but have no issues hoisting its banner to protect one of your own. What, you weren't upset when the left jailed people over posting memes?

  40. Green Jihad   5 months ago

    Taqiyya. The scumbag is a Muslim terrorist and Trump doesn't need a reason to kick Khalil out. His visa means he was allowed to come and it can be revoked at any time for any reason.

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