The American Right Is Abandoning Mises
The Austrian economist's principled thought once served as a check on the intellectual right.

Ludwig von Mises, a foundational figure of modern libertarianism, was also for decades a hero of the American right. In George H. Nash's magisterial 1976 history The Conservative Intellectual Movement in America Since 1945, the very first chapter stars the Austrian economist and his students and associates, saying that "it would be difficult to exaggerate the contributions of…Ludwig von Mises to the intellectual rehabilitation of individualism in America."
Mises' disciple Murray Rothbard complained that conservatives' adoption of Mises occluded the more radical portions of the economist's thinking: elements that were antistate, pro-peace, pro-immigration, even critical of the Christian tradition. In a 1981 essay in The Journal of Libertarian Studies, Rothbard gripedthat too many of Mises' right-wing fans "have unwittingly distorted [his views] and made them seem at one with the modern conservative movement in the United States," as though Mises were "a sort of National Review intellectual."
Figures around National Review did admire Mises. In his introduction to National Review founder William F. Buckley's first blockbuster book—1951's God and Man at Yale, an attack on what Buckley saw as a leftist thrust to Ivy League education—the conservative journalist John Chamberlain named Mises as one of the social thinkers shamefully excluded from the typical Yale curriculum.
Yes, some conservative mandarins mistrusted Mises, fretting that his rationalistic, utilitarian focus on economic liberties failed to stress the importance of, as Russell Kirk put it, "supernatural and traditional sanctions." But a Misesian take on the benefits of private property and minimal economic interference was one of the three legs of the American intellectual right from the rise of Buckley's magazine to at least the end of Ronald Reagan's presidency (the other two being Judeo-Christian traditionalism and militant anticommunism). Mises' intellectual dominance was rooted in his masterfully detailed defenses of 19th century classical liberalism and free market economics, and also in his influence on other libertarian intellectual giants, such as Rothbard, F.A. Hayek, and Ayn Rand.
Among the most damaging changes Trumpism has wrought on conservatism has been the rejection of core elements of Mises' thought—the parts that undermined the idea that a "national interest" should supersede individual choice and freedom in markets.
Mises was an ardent free-trader. President Donald Trump promotes autarky and calls himself "Tariff Man." Mises was a devoted anti-inflationist, a promoter of hard currencies that government could not create and manipulate at will. Though Trump has given lip service to private cryptocurrency as part of his larger antiestablishment coalition, he also demanded in his first term that the Federal Reserve expand the money supply to goose the economy and give him a short-term political benefit. In his 1944 book Omnipotent Government, Mises condemned forceful territorial expansion as one of the causes of Europe's terrible 20th century wars. Since the election, Trump has publicly mulled territorial seizures around the globe. Trump ardently supports a restrictionist immigration policy. Mises believed the free flow of people, goods, and capital were linchpins of the ideal international system. Trump favors industrial policy, in which government planners intervene to assist selected domestic industries. Mises understood that would lower, not raise, overall prosperity.
And when Trump's interventionist policies fail, that will mean more danger—for as Mises pointed out, failed government interventions often lead to still moreintervention. Bureaucrats stubbornly continue to try to achieve their desired results through more interventions that also fail, spinning increasingly complex webs of ineffective controls. That dynamic made Mises deny the possibility of a viable "third way" between free markets and socialism. Once you start down the socialist road, he wrote, you tend to go further and further from freedom.
The Core Failure of Socialism—and of Industrial Policy
Mises was the core 20th century advocate of what is known as the Austrian school of economics. That tradition began with Carl Menger's 1871 book Principles of Economics, which argued that the desires and valuations of individual consumers explain the formation of market prices. This idea has a natural appeal to libertarian-minded people, as it implies that the best results arise from allowing the free play of consumer desires to shape what producers produce, what things cost, and what overall shape the economy should take.
Mises was born September 29, 1881, in the Austro-Hungarian city of Lemberg. He received a doctorate in law from the University of Vienna in 1906. His interest in economics began when he read Menger's Principles, which turned him toward classical liberalism. Mises worked with the Austrian chamber of commerce and lectured at the University of Vienna (not as a salaried employee, but paid directly by his students). During World War I, he served for three years as an artillery captain at the front. And in 1922, he published a magisterial work that expanded beyond economics to political philosophy and social sciences.
In the 1920s, after Russia's Bolshevik Revolution, most Western intellectuals saw socialism as a great idea that would likely sweep the globe. Mises' book—Socialism: An Economic and Sociological Analysis—explained why that philosophy was destructive to a happy and rich civilization. Hayek, another libertarian Austrian economist, was working for Mises at the chamber of commerce when Socialism came out. He later wrote, "To none of us young men who read the book when it appeared the world was ever the same again."
Socialism's most lasting contribution was Mises' demonstration that socialism in a dynamic industrial economy could never replace a price system's ability to match producers' decisions with consumers' desires. The argument over this proposition—which went back and forth for many years—became known as the "socialist calculation debate."
What free markets did that the socialists didn't understand, Mises explained, was reduce comparisons between incommensurable objects to a common denominator: a price. Without that common denominator, it would be impossible to make rational and efficient decisions about what to produce and in what quantities to meet demonstrable human needs. For instance: What if you possess a warehouse full of steel, but need food to eat, and wish to exchange it in the manner that would benefit you the most, commensurate with your trading partner's desires? In a market economy, prices tell you what everything is worth in relation to everything else. If steel sells for $120 a pound, and apples for $3 a pound, you know a pound of steel is worth 40 times more than a pound of apples.

With private property and people's ability to keep what they earn by buying and selling, market prices are likely as close as possible at any moment to how people actually value things. Why? Because "wrong" prices create entrepreneurial opportunities to raise or lower them until they do reflect people's actual desires. This continuous market process never results in the modern economist's perfect model of an equilibrium where trading becomes irrelevant. Thus, the combination of prices and private property comes as close as any social process could to reflecting true social desires about what should be made and what it should cost.
Under socialism in the sense that Mises used the term, one set of government planners owns everything and makes allocation decisions without market prices. In that situation, they'll come nowhere near reflecting people's actual desires. The prevalence of shortages and waste in the Soviet Union helped convince many economists that Mises was correct, though few thought so when he first published his arguments. As the USSR collapsed, the popular economics journalist Robert Heilbroner—no fan of Mises—declared in The New Yorker the new conventional wisdom: "It turns out, of course, that Mises was right."
Free market prices spread information about everyone's subjective valuations of what they want and what they are willing to pay for it. In doing so, they depend, as Hayek especially emphasized, on individuals' unique personal awareness of local circumstances that no central planner could ever know, except through the very market prices the planners think they can either eliminate or invent. This makes any version of the sort of "pro-American" industrial policy Trump promotes ultimately nothing more than using political force to push privileged groups' interests at the expense of every other American worker or consumer.
A Liberalism of Peace, Democracy, Private Property, Free Markets, and Tolerance
After Socialism, Mises wrote Liberalism in the Classical Tradition(1927), a brilliant explanation of his social philosophy. Mises' liberalism is materialistic; "it has nothing else in view than the advancement of [man's] outward, material welfare." It is capitalistic, but it recognizes that a truly liberal capitalist system has as its engine not capitalists' whims but consumers' desires. It is democratic, but only pragmatically so; democracy largely ensures the peaceful turnover of state power. It is utilitarian; Mises advocates economic and personal liberty not from a metaphysical belief in rights but because liberalism delivers the greatest wealth and abundance.
Mises' liberalism requires peace for its fullest flowering: When everyone can benefit from everyone else's ideas and productivity through universal free trade, we are more likely to avoid the demands for colonialism and lebensraum that triggered the 20th century's hideous wars. Mises' liberalism is also a doctrine of maximal tolerance: "Liberalism proclaims tolerance for every religious faith and every metaphysical belief, not out of indifference for these 'higher' things, but from the conviction that the assurance of peace within society must take precedence over everything."
Mises' liberalism is rooted in private property: If property is protected by law, he argued, the other aspects of his liberal vision will likely result. Mises saw his worldview as a continuation of the liberal philosophy of the 19th century, which had been eclipsed in the 20th by bloody statist doctrines such as socialism and nationalism.
Mises' 1933 book Epistemological Problems of Economics explained the connection between economics as he understood it and libertarianism. Before the development of economics, he wrote, "it had been believed that no bounds other than those drawn by the laws of nature circumscribed the path of acting man. It was not known that there is still something more that sets a limit to political power beyond which it cannot go….In the social realm too there is something operative which power and force are unable to alter and to which they must adjust themselves if they hope to achieve success."
Thus, government must remain humble in its goals in the face of economic reality and realize that most attempts to shape the economy through intervention are bound to fail, even by the standards of those who advocated the interventions. For example, those who institute price controls want goods to be abundant and cheap; but such controls inevitably make the goods more scarce and expensive as people refuse to sell at losses or for profits lower than they prefer.
Mises in America
Mises fled Austria for Switzerland as the Nazis took over. With the situation in Europe getting grimmer, in 1940 he and his wife Margit began the difficult process of escaping to the United States. The liberal cause seemed doomed as Europe was riven by fascism and destruction.
Finding an academic berth in America commensurate with his high reputation in Europe proved difficult, but Mises found friends here who recognized his importance and helped him. Most significant was the economics journalist and New York Times editorialist Henry Hazlitt, who was already an enormous fan. In his Times review of Socialism, Hazlitt had called the book "an economic classic in our time." When he first spoke to Mises on the phone, it felt, he said, as if he had picked up the phone and heard, "This is John Stuart Mill speaking."
Hazlitt became the most successful popularizer of Mises' ideas, most importantly in his Newsweek column and in his book Economics in One Lesson—a powerful introduction to free market thinking for generations of young libertarians and Buckley-era conservatives. (Reagan told Hazlitt in a 1984 letter that he was "proud to count [him]self as one of your students.") The central insight of proper economic thinking, Hazlitt stressed, involves trying to notice the "things not seen," especially relevant when judging government interventions. For example, the inherent value of federal spending is more questionable when you learn to focus not on the visible things the government did with the resources it took via taxation, but on all the unseen things that would have happened had the government not taken the resources in the first place.
Mises' major work during his first decade in America was Human Action (1949), a nearly 900-page explanation of virtually every aspect of economic science. Fellow travelers in the nascent American libertarian movement saw it as exactly what they needed. Rose Wilder Lane (one of the founding mothers of modern libertarianism with her 1943 individualist classic The Discovery of Freedom, who helped edit and likely ghostwrite her mother Laura Ingalls Wilder's successful Little House on the Prairie series) wrote that the book "begins and will stand for a new epoch in human thought, therefore in human action and world history." Hazlitt declared: "If a single book can turn the ideological tide that has been running in recent years so heavily toward statism, socialism, and totalitarianism, Human Action is that book." He also wrote that it "should become the leading text of everyone who believes in…a free-market economy," as the American right once purported to do.
After explaining the hows and whys of such concepts as marginal utility, price formation, the division of labor, and profit and loss, the book analyzed the ill effects of government interventions, ranging from taxation to price and foreign exchange controls, to restricting production and expanding credit. Mises even attacked legal tender legislation.
Starting in the late 1940s, Mises often gave lectures under the auspices of the first modern libertarian think tank, the Foundation for Economic Education, which also educated generations of young conservatives, and older ones like Reagan, in free market verities. In 1948, Mises began a series of seminars at New York University. The participants were usually young business students looking for an easy A or B, as Mises was a notoriously kind grader. But there was also a small group of genuinely interested students, who weren't always, or even mostly, seeking a degree at the university. Through them, Mises' seminars ensured that the Austrian economics tradition survived in America. As Robert Nozick, author of the highly influential libertarian book Anarchy, State, and Utopia (1974), once said: "In 18 years of teaching at Princeton and Harvard, I never encountered any professor teaching a seminar where non-degree-seeking adults would continue to attend year after year. [Mises was] unique in attracting mature minds without demanding discipleship." What attracted them, Nozick noted, was "the content of his ideas and their power and lucidity."
Meanwhile, in a sign of Mises' low status in American academia, as of 1949 his salary was paid not by the university but mostly by the Volker Fund, the sole libertarian funding foundation in existence at the time. When Mises was seeking an American academic berth in the 1940s, his star was so low that "we felt lucky to find some place that would take him," the Volker Fund's Richard Cornuelle recalled. "It was more than contempt they felt for Mises. They thought he was dangerous. They thought he was pushing a vicious, inhuman position that appealed to capitalists but didn't deserve any encouragement."
As Trump conquers the American right, Mises' ideas are still dangerous to the regnant forces of both major parties, each offering different culturally coded approaches to managing Americans' choices and limiting Americans' liberties. The MAGA movement's many violations of free market principles break with the wisdom of a man the right honored for decades, an economist whose sophisticated, far-ranging understanding of markets and freedom reveal the folly of so much of Trumpism.
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I hate that Mises to pieces.
As our most prolific commenter will tell you, all economists (except that one over at Huffpost) are dumb because their models are too simple. Only the very stable genius can control an economy by gut instinct...just don't check the markets right now...
Poor sarc.
Americans listened to an Aussie libertarian economist?
Don't think so..
Damn right we did- George Nash and I listened raptly as we co-hosted von Mises at Harvard's 1970 Institute of Politics symposium on the coevolution of British and American conservatism.
Moreover, it was an Objectivist free market economist that got me interested in economics in 1966 when I read "Gold & Economic Freedom", Alan Greenspan. He was in the first Austrian school to betray their principles. Sad.
"I hate that Mises to pieces."
Cato and the Reason foundation certainly do and have made no secret of it. Which is what makes this article appearing in Reason Magazine a singular achievement in Concern Trolling par excellence.
I won't dispute that, but they're on the right (pun intended) side of the issue that most concerns me at this time, free trade/tariffs.
A lot of the tariffs are incredibly stupid, though there is plenty to argue for some of the targeted China and Russia stuff. But are they also on the right side of the open border issue, which was also repeatedly cited in the article? You know, because nothing has changed about the welfare state or the nature of the people coming across the border in the last 100 years.
All parties suck, but it seems to me the LP is the least capable of ever saying, "Hey, we tried that and it turns out it didn't work." It is the one thing communists and libertarians share.
Hi WB,
No. I differ with Reason and Cato on immigration. I think this article gave the wrong impression of Mises's view on immigration too as I stated below.
I would be in favor of nearly open borders in the absence of a welfare state, but a nation has to retain the right to control immigration to protect itself from a mass immigration shift of culture. I think that's in line with Mises view on borders.
I don't think there will ever be an abolishment of the welfare state, barring some kind of true economic collapse. So in my view, there's no realistic world where open borders can work.
That said, I think you and I could find a lot of common ground in some kind of "reasoned libertarianism" that neither Reason not the LP seem to share.
Yes, I agree it is not a realistic possibility.
Of course a nation state has a RIGHT to control its borders. Only xenophobes erecting straw men have ever alleged "open" borders. Whether you have the right to try to control your borders says nothing whatever about whether it is a good idea to prevent immigration or not. Once a nation state's government has realized that it should not prevent immigration, how it goes about keeping out the few dangerous criminals; and how it should go about registering and monitoring immigrants; and how it should treat immigrants and foreign visitors while they are here are certainly open to rational discussion and reasonable legislation.
Of course a nation state has a RIGHT to control its borders. Only xenophobes erecting straw men have ever alleged "open" borders.
Having seen people argue for literal absolute open borders, this claim is itself a strawman that it's only "xenophobes" who oppose such things.
That would only be true if I had not been frequently accused of being for "open borders" when I advocate letting anyone come here who wants to along with the few you claim to actually advocate no process at all; and if it were not for the obvious fact that we have had very ineffective control of our borders for over a century despite major efforts by government to achieve it - which is typical for almost all government efforts to ban this or that. So, to summarize: it's a bad idea and it doesn't work anyway and the more your major efforts to stop immigration fail, the more collateral unintended harm gets done in the process. But never mind - you're a xenophobe and aren't listening to logic any more.
You obviously refuse to take the time to notice the "things not seen" regarding unfettered migration. You just prefer to call people names to feel better about yourself.
“Murray Rothbard, one of the most prominent libertarians of the 20th century, and one of the leading exponents of anarcho-capitalism, started out as sympathetic to free immigration. However, in his later life, he became opposed to the idea and fleshed out arguments against open borders based on the anarcho-capitalist counterfactual. The arguments were further developed by Hans-Hermann Hoppe and challenged by other libertarians”
https://openborders.info/rothbard-immigration-about-face/
Didn’t read the article, did it mention this? If not, why do you think that is?
No, it sure didn't. And yes, that sure was for a reason.
Mises. Rothbard, Hoppe all recognized when their original idealistic beliefs didn't work. As they saw the costs and negative outcomes of their views they modified their views. Most of the libertarians here refuse to, still screaming the bumper stickers they first learned and then stopped learning.
Your not concerned about the deep state pushing hard to keep funding tranny comics in Peru?
Relative to massive tariffs? Barely.
In general I see culture war issues as an intentional distraction by those seeking power. Culture war issues in other nations are a non-concern to me. The wasted funds are chump change relative to the losses from tariffs.
In general I see culture war issues as an intentional distraction by those seeking power.
That is where we part ways. The culture is not just an adornment for the economic and political philosophies and power. It IS a power center and it is central to determining the trajectory of the policies re: politics\economic. It as sure as shootin' can undermine a country, its economy and its value system.
Culture can collapse a country at least as fast as bad economic policy in some cases. The US is just a big ship and takes a long time to stop or start so the deleterious effects dont seem as pronounced perhaps.... until they do.
Thats fine.
I'm not saying culture is unimportant. I'm saying I think politicians specifically drum up outrage over culture war issues that don't affect us. All this trans stuff has absolutely no influence on my life.
Remember all that Terry Schiavo, medical marijuana, gay marriage and steroids in baseball stuff? It was so important 10-20 years ago. Now we barely think about it. That'll be trans stuff in 10 years.
Now we barely think about it.....
until we notice how far the overton window was pushed to the psychotic left
THAT is what the 'culture ware' is all about. and if you dont fight it you end up with normal being "partial birth abortions is not extreme" but "fetal heartbeat or viability laws are extreme right".
etc. etc. etc.
"Concern Trolling par excellence."
Came here to say exactly this. Coming from Doherty, who has spent the past 3 or 4 years arguing about why practical squishy leftism is a better recipe for Libertarian Party success than the economic liberalism of Mises is especially rich.
That's because Doherty's brand of libertarianism sees more immigrants as an unalloyed good, regardless of the welfare systems concocted by the 'squishy left' to support them, or the motivations of the immigrants streaming into the system.
We need to raise taxes, our shelters are full!
Why, I thought you said that more immigration would pay for itself?
Why do you hate brown people, maaan?
Food truck libertarianism.
Jinks the cat haha! I don’t think millennials like ML get the joke.
I thought you were the joke, Drunky.
A tired joke.
still, you stand for nothing.
This is another of your 'things aren't perfect" Hillary posts
It seems to me more like Doherty doesn't understand the current state of the world and heavily focuses on the more idealistic and impractical things that would require reciprocal international compliance. A cherrypicked cliffs notes version that allows no nuance is misleading.
According to Doherty, the Mises Caucus is opposite Mises and the lefty cohorts are his champions. I have a hard time buying that line.
It seems to me more like Doherty doesn't understand the current state of the world and heavily focuses on the more idealistic and impractical things that would require reciprocal international compliance.
Maybe, but what about Mises himself?
According to Doherty, the Mises Caucus is opposite Mises and the lefty cohorts are his champions. I have a hard time buying that line.
The article gives the impression that Mises was open borders, but he was not.
As for the anti-Christian tradition, I won't comment. It's not something I ever paid attention to.
And what Mises never seems to defend is that the lower cost of consumer goods to an unemployed consumer are of little value.
Two shekels for a camel may be a dear price, but if you don't have the two shekels...
It's Mises's contention that tariffs cost more jobs than they create which has been demonstrated in analyses of tariffs due to deadweight losses and overall reduction of productivity necessary for tariffs to work.
Since tariffs are for wealth distribution, the government could always redistribute the tax money tariffs generate as welfare to the unemployed, I suppose. I mean if you're going to implement leftist policies, why not keep veering left?
I would hardly consider America up until the 16th was passed “leftist”.
I don’t know enough on the history of tariffs, but do you think some of those job losses could be due to the government not loosening up out of control regulations and wage laws when they implement tariffs? I would think that you’d have to balance it if you were trying to make it cheaper for companies to onshore.
No. Look, either you accept the axioms of economics or you don't. Economically, Tariffs are losers. Now you might have non-economic reasons (Strategically, we need to keep steel production in the borders; we need political support of union workers; blue collar workers deserve to have subsidies paid by anyone who uses their services). You could even claim that Tariffs are a better REPLACEMENT to the income tax. Make those arguments.
But economically, tariffs do not save jobs. The cost them, just as much as raising the minimum wage costs jobs. Yes, you might save the jobs of a steel worker, but you have increased the input costs of other companies (whoever uses steel) and- just like if you raised the cost of their labor- that will mean they buy less steel, or hire fewer workers or decline to expand into an area that would have brought more jobs. And if those manufacturers instead could pass their costs on to the consumer, then the Consumer pays more for their steel-made goods, and have less to pay to a restaurant or for some other good/service that would have given someone else a job.
If you could recoup those losses by decreasing regulations, then the better economic play is to decrease regulations AND keep tariffs low, getting you even more net job growth.
Mind you, Reason is stupid as well- claiming that Tariffs cause Inflation. That is also incorrect. Increased prices of certain goods does not make inflation. Those increased prices will be offset by decreases in prices of other goods that have less demand, or by decreasing the number of sales of those goods (decreased economic velocity).
This is all basic economics.
Hi DesigNate,
Overt gave a great answer particularly with the job losses/regulations question so I'll mostly just say "ditto" with an added comment:
I would hardly consider America up until the 16th was passed “leftist”.
I agree, but the US was born before the capitalism vs socialism dichotomy. Tariffs were a constitutional way to raise federal taxes only today considered leftist.
I am sure he said nothing so simplistic as 'all economic actions shall be judged solely on impact on jobs " Abortion has destoryed even the lives of tens of millions of would-be workers . Yet you say not a thing.
“Even if foreign governments pursue policies of protectionism, the best policy for any nation is still to remove its own trade barriers, as these only serve to impoverish its own people.”
Cheap goods don't mean much to people without an income. Mises never saw the rust belt get so, rusty.
Considering the last guy went harder on trade than Trump 1.0, and given their penchant for massive domestic overregulation, the left is no friend to free trade.
No they are not. Never were. Never pretended to be.
Yet compared to Trump they’re Adam Smith.
How do you figure they’re better than him, given the veracity of my comment (Biden keeping Trumps tariffs in place, adding new tariffs, and adding a whopping $1.8Trillion in NEW regulations)?
FTR, the tariffs on Canada and Mexico are pretty stupid, even as a stick to beat them into submission (sticks only work for so long). The open hand of telling nearly everyone if they reduce to 0, we’ll reduce to 0, is more than welcome and yet nobody is taking him up on that offer (even if it is bullshit, nobody is even trying call his bluff on it).
I’m not saying he’s great on economics, but I just don’t see your reasoning that the Democrats are closer to Adam Smith than him.
Adam Smith was wise, but a child of his times. He stoutly defended shoot-first mercatilist monopolization of trade pretty close to the only page on which he mentioned opium, en passant, a single time. Compared to Heinlein and Rand, cute but boring is a terse but adequate description. Most of the other geezers wrinkled Comstock collectivists tolerate likewise fit the bill.
San Francisco in the middle sixties was a very special time and place to be a part of. Maybe it meant something. Maybe not, in the long run but no mix of words or music or memories can touch that sense of knowing that you were here and alive in that corner of time and the world. Whatever it meant.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHS3qJdxefY
I see your hubris : YOU unlike the whole rest of the world are not ' a child of the times" Funny, because that is lame cliched historicism , only used in high school book reports.
And there it is. Sarc is with the democrats. As always.
They know they are so right they refuse to talk to the mises caucaus
Though Trump has given lip service to private cryptocurrency as part of his larger antiestablishment coalition…
If by “lip service” you mean an executive order that bans CBDC:
https://www.icba.org/newsroom/news-and-articles/2025/01/24/president-trump-creates-crypto-council-bans-cbdc
The MAGA movement's many violations of free market principles break with the wisdom of a man the right honored for decades, an economist whose sophisticated, far-ranging understanding of markets and freedom reveal the folly of so much of Trumpism
MAGA is all in for central planning as long as an (R) does it.
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Do you have an example of Doherty's claim or yours to back that assertion up, Pluggo?
A real one, not just some retarded sperg you invented right there and then.
Protectionist tariffs, inflationary spending, subsidies…
Inflationary spending and subsidies? Do tell.
Covid “emergency” spending. Bailing out farmers fucked by retaliatory tariffs.
And here comes Sarc, backing up his pedophile pal.
Given that Reason has as well, I'm not sure what weight the complaint here is supposed to carry.
Don't you bring your logical consistency to his college Mises thesis with Trump injected into it so he could republish it. Where is your sense of decorum, man?
Where is your sense of decorum, man?
It got lynched about the middle of the Biden Administration. I had to have a closed casket funeral for it!
Mises' liberalism is materialistic; "it has nothing else in view than the advancement of [man's] outward, material welfare."
Well there's your problem.
Conservatives have a massive overlap with Christianity, and Christianity rejects materialism.
You could also use Islam there.
Muslims are among the most conservative people in the world.
turd, the ass-wipe of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Go take your Droxy, Sevo. Like Donnie told you to do. It is too early in the day for you to spin out again.
turd, the TDS-addled ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
BTW, this is what a retarded TDS-addled lying lefty shit sees as "clever repartee".
Fuck off and die, shitstain.
When we doing this date, Sevo?
I fuck the first time, if you’re up for it.
Save it for the bathhouse gangbang boy.
Catch him off guard, Sevo. Suck his dick! Show him you San Fran boys don’t back down!
Ah! So you noticed that too? Interesting how after Nixon wars on Freedom and His surrender of 2A to Communism, Jimmy got elected. Then them OTHER girl-bullying mystical bigots acquired relevant value to the Jerry Fallwell/Billy Graham/Ronnie Reagan crusade to put thim bitches back in their Kinder, Küche, Kirche places. Burn an embassy in this schaissthole, beseige Mecca at another, kidnap diplomats & staff at a third and rednecks fergit all about rights and want only to Free Ross! Scratch that... free them OTHER hostages our conservative Dark Ages buddies have conveniently kidnapped. Le plus ça change...
Only because the church in the 80s and 90s became political. Especially with abortion. So conservative started identifying as evangelicals and vice versa. The result was an unholy marriage between political party and religion. Now that RvW is gone, so is the core of that alliance.
I hope they get a divorce.
Marriage between political party and religion is ***ALWAYS*** unholy! Religion should be voluntary, all the way. Politics is coercion! The two should NEVER marry! Marriage here pollutes the both of them!
(Wise people have been saying this for centuries, if not longer.)
Politics, in the 20th & 21st centuries, has been intruding more and more into the areas that were handled by institutions like the Church. If churches have politicized, then it has largely been in self-defense.
Being pro-life isn't political for church. It is being consistent with Biblical teaching. Can you cite the verse that supports abortion?
Here is how the Bible supports abortion, per chapter and verse!
God COMMANDS us to kill EVERYONE! If fartilized egg smells are people, then they are included, too!
Our that them thar VALUES of society outta come from that them thar HOLY BIBLE, and if ya read it right, it actually says that God wants us to KILL EVERYBODY!!! Follow me through now: No one is righteous, NONE (Romans 3:10). Therefore, ALL must have done at least one thing bad, since they’d be righteous, had they never done anything bad. Well, maybe they haven’t actually DONE evil, maybe they THOUGHT something bad (Matt. 5:28, thoughts can be sins). In any case, they must’ve broken SOME commandment, in thinking or acting, or else they'd be righteous. James 2:10 tells us that if we've broken ANY commandment, we broke them ALL. Now we can’t weasel out of this by saying that the New Testament has replaced the Old Testament, because Christ said that he’s come to fulfill the old law, not to destroy it (Matt. 5:17). So we MUST conclude that all are guilty of everything. And the Old Testament lists many capital offenses! There’s working on Sunday. There’s also making sacrifices to, or worshipping, the wrong God (Exodus 22:20, Deut. 17:2-5), or even showing contempt for the Lord’s priests or judges (Deut. 17:12). All are guilty of everything, including the capital offenses. OK, so now we’re finally there... God’s Word COMMANDS us such that we’ve got to kill EVERYBODY!!!
NO EXCEPTIONS WERE LISTED FOR FARTILIZED EGG SMELLS!!! WE ARE ALL DEATH-DESERVING SINNERS!!!
It’s also about decency. Which is a concept that is anathema to the left.
Punk Boogers, who wants to outlaw the Demon-Craps, kill political enemas, and send people through wood-chippers, is trying to hector us about "decency"! Twat next, Shitler? Did Big Orange Daddy teach you to "Hang Mike Pence", perhaps? Twat will PervFected Ye and Big Orange Daddy cook up next?
Christianity rejects materialism.
But evidently Christians don't
Imagine my surprise that gov'na shrike is a bigot.
Fuck off, idiot. It's obviously true else you would have found refuting evidence rather than attempt to insult me.
Wrong on 3 counts
Materialism is not 'matter' it is the spiritual attitude to matter.
Overlap can hardly apply --- Are you conservative first or Christian first. If Christian you were never conservative in the sense you use it, "You can only serve one master"
I laugh that you are doing the Kamala Harris Venn Diagram thing, but you are. Overlap is not causal in any sense. A person who is Christian and Conservative can also be : homosexual , illegal immigrant, white or black or yellow, practicing their 'religion' or not--- heck might even be Libertarian (you have Catholics on staff) -- My point is that you undermine yourself by saying that of all the many things a person is, his being a parent or from a poor/rich background , large/small family will have no effect
*...the three legs of the American intellectual right... (the other two being Judeo-Christian traditionalism and militant anticommunism)*
Boy, those stupid Regan-era Republicans and their crazy principles. We've been so much better off having those replaced by aethist libertineism and militant anti-Americanism. Willingly aided by a certain party that garnered less than 1% of the vote in 2024.
False equivalence. Some christians are good people and try to emulate Christ. Other christians are bad people and try to use their principles as a weapon and to impose their principles on the rest of us through the law and mob violence. The founding principle was that government should never be used to impose religion or religious principles on everyone because allowing it to do so ALWAYS results in religious wars and the destruction of religious freedom. Allowing government to impose religious principles on the people NEVER results in an improvement in general morals or peaceful coexistence.
"False equivalence" isn't an argument, it's a debate tactic. And since you follow that up with ALWAYS and NEVER, I'll add my own. When religion is removed from society, it is NEVER replaced with nothing. And what it is replaced with is ALWAYS worse. See: the religion of climate, the religion of woke, the religion of race wars, etc, etc.
I will gladly take a neighbor with a cross hanging from their rearview mirror over a neighbor with an "In this house we believe..." sign in the front yard. And you're delusional if you don't think both are signs of a religion.
Indeed. Humanity seeks religion. Many do not wish to admit it is religion, but climate change is more religion than Christianity at this point. Transgenderism is more religion than any faith known to man.
This takes a lot of nerve considering the knives Doherty placed in the backs of the Mises Caucus and the Ron Paul wings of the LP.
Mises is rolling in his grave over his name right now, being associated with the Mises Caucus! Mises was clearly a very humble and nice guy. The Mises Caucus is anything but!
This. The Mises Institute is more about Rothbard than Mises. The Mises Caucus is more about Rothbard's single essay launching paleo in 1992 where he adopts David Duke and the KKK as "libertarian populism".
Poor misunderstood Christian National Socialist BAYBEEZ!!! Ron Paul is and always was a registered girl-bullying Republican Comstockist girl-enslaver. As the first NSAAP infiltrator the guy served as the entering wedge that wrecked LP vote share growth.
Wasn't Reason *upset* about Mises Caucus taking power in the LP?
Mises Caucus are crypto-conservatives in libertarian clothing. They are Rothbardians and should have called themselves such. I don't think that Mises would have supported Pat Buchanan for example, but Rothbard sure did, and the Mises Caucus would too.
Would Mises have supported unchecked immigration while demanding we enforce an infinitely expanding welfare state to support them in perpetuity? That doesn't seem very Mises-like to me.
See my comment(s) below. My central criticism isn't about Mises, it's about continuing to shout "Mises!" in a burning theater.
As I explain below, immigrants only buttress the welfare state, which is something you’re not supposed to care about anyway, since apparently a philosophy of maximum freedom means as few people as possible should have freedom. But especially people who move house from one side of an imaginary line to another.
How does enslaving the population to provide a welfare state increase freedom?
Slavery is forced labor without pay dear boy. A social welfare state is the culmination of human civilization, a bit of collective effort to ensure we don’t have to bother with starving old and poor people littering our streets. Do try to keep up.
The culmination of human civilization requires forced labor and the coercive extraction of excess value?
You say people value you not starving in the streets - but then say they have to be forced to feed you.
Also, slaves did get paid. Some even with money. 'Lack of renumeration' is *not* part of the definition of slavery. Lack of consent is.
Indeed. USSR did not have any slaves based on Tony's definition.
A job where you get paid BUT you have no choice but to take the job and you cannot leave it is certainly not freedom.
Let me get this straight. Trimming the extremely and obviously misallocated wealth of randomly selected wealthy people so that people don’t starve is slavery, but actual slavery wasn’t all that bad…
What we need to trim are all the Marxists. Marxists like you.
Right - but Reason was upset that they were taking over. Here Reason's lamenting the conservatives not 'listening' to Mises anymore.
They were upset that the people who like Mises took over the LP, but upset that the people who like Mises no longer have as much of a voice in the GOP.
What unites them is they prefer Christian National Socialist collectivism to freedom.
Look at that mustache in the old photo! Mises is Hitler!
Things change. This isn't 1980.
The problem with Doherty's thesis is that his thesis is less about Mises, and more about demanding that conservatives, and conservatives only agree to disagree, continue to live in a hyper-regulated world that the far left, the center left and the center gave us over the last 100 years, and quit trying to make corrections with industrial policy or immigration restrictions.
It's a profoundly frustrating message that keeps coming from libertarians, which makes me think of that line from The Lord of the Rings where Frodo says that if someone were truly not to be trusted, they would look fairer but feel fouler. This is how modern Libertarianism Adapted-For-Modern-Audiences repeatedly comes across.
In my political social construct, every time an illegal immigrant appears, local taxpayers are forced to hand over thousands of dollars a head for various goods and services in support of said immigrant who has never, and may never contribute anything into the system. Doherty's brand of ADFMA Libertarianism demands that I pretend the former isn't happening, but keep agitating for more of the latter.
ADFMA Libertarianism demands that we ignore all domestic regulations and price controls placed upon us by the far left, center left and center and just wishcast that innovation and dynamism will be magically conjured-- and any businesses, industries or individuals devastated by the former are just part of the natural 'market dynamism' and 'invisible hand'.
ADFMA Libertarianism demands we don't engage in any industrial policy when every trading partner around us does so which has resulted in the slow hollowing out of American industry and scoffs at any attempt at an industrial policy which attempts to respond.
This ADFMA Libertarianism was on full display during a debate between Victor Davis Hanson and an ADMFA LIbertarian. The ADFMA Libertarian took the position that unchecked immigration was a cost-free proposal. When Hanson smacked that position down with facts, statistics and figures, the ADFMA Libertarian merely pivoted to "well, we should eliminate the welfare system, then."
Question for ADFMA Libertarians: Looking over the last 90 years of American Politics, how effective have you been in eliminating welfare systems, and then based on that metric what's the estimate of your ability to eliminate them into the future?
To wit: Over the last ten years, as "sanctuary" cities and states started popping up all over the country, while real libertarians in the comments were aggressively criticizing those give-everything-require-nothing-in-return policies which, by the sanctuary states own metrics have costed taxpayers billions just over the last 24 months, ADFMA Libertarianism's response to that criticism came down to "Hey man *flips ponytail* like... why do you hate brown people, maaan?"
A real libertarian should have been angrily rejecting and fighting those infinitely expanded welfare systems which literally have no limiting principle... instead, all they could do was continue to beat the 'zero-cost-proposition' drum while the far left, center left and center put these policies in place- and then bitch and moan when conservatives, and conservatives only stood up and said, "Hey, what say we enforce some immigration law?"
So "real libertarians" ignore the liberty of migrants and are hyper-focused exclusively on the liberty of citizens. Got it.
Do you not even understand one tiny bit that liberty is a universal, human birthright?
Migrants have liberties. Illegals do not.
Now stop lying. It won’t work here.
A "real libertarian" by your standard would be just as angrily fighting against the welfare consumed by citizens as it is against the welfare consumed by immigrants. In fact, considering that citizens consume WAY MORE welfare than immigrants do, a "real libertarian" would have at least some measure of outrage proportional to the actual amount of welfare consumed by each group.
Instead, we have your team explicitly rejecting the candidate who wants to abolish the whole welfare state, and embrace the one who explicitly promises to keep the two biggest welfare programs in history, because that welfare goes to the "right people".
This is not 2015 anymore, you cannot get away with pretending that you really are just concerned about welfare. In truth, you and your team want to get rid of the immigrants (yes, both legal and illegal), for a LARGE NUMBER of reasons, of which 'welfare' is just one of the more defensible ones that doesn't make you all look like a bunch of bigots.
The 2024 election conclusively demonstrated that for you all, it's not about economics, it's about culture. You rejected the guy who had all the correct economic policies but who had the 'wrong cultural vibes', and you endorsed the guy who promised to deliver to you the culture war that you actually want. So shove it up your ass with your fake concern about 'welfare'.
No. And why don’t you kill yourself you worthless, bloated, sack of shit?
You’re just a dirty Marxist liar.
"a hyper-regulated world that the far left, the center left and the center gave us over the last 100 years"
There is no doubt in my mind that the hyper-regulation was imposed on us by the progressive socialists via the Democratic Party over the last 100 years. At least in some measure this was a swing away from, and in reaction to, conservativist control during the previous century which gave us increasing regulation, corporate protection, capital formation, monetary policy (central banking), Christian moral-based vice laws and economic scandals
Should be AFMA Libertarianism, FYI.
Illegals live somewhere so they pay property taxes indirectly like all renters. They buy stuff so they pay sales taxes. Unless they work under the table they pay income and payroll taxes. And they will never get Social Security. They contribute more than the average trailer trash.
Criticism of tariffs is not ignoring the stuff you complain about. They are separate issues. That’s dismissing arguments by attacking the person.
There’s nothing wrong with saying foreigners engaging in bad policy doesn’t mean we have to do the same. Again dismissing arguments with personal attacks.
Accusing people who support immigrants coming here to work of wanting them to come for welfare is against dismissing arguments with attacks.
Looks to like most of your arguments are fallacious attacks.
Must be a day that ends in ‘y’.
AND YOU ARE RIGHT. This is the only place Orangopox vectors can spew without being tossed out on their butts. At least now their owners have to pay them to puke here, so, revenue at least is good, and we now have the moot lewser button. Expect lies, treachery and non-sequiturs from both halves of the looter intelligentzia and disappointment melts away.
It said sarc was right. Who are we to question it?
What don’t you like about the last 100 years? The unprecedented expansion of human well-being?
It’s just a malicious lie that immigrants cost you money. They skew young and have fewer rights, so they pay more in than they take out.
Not to mention, your tax rates don’t go up when some government program is funded. When has this ever happened? Even if an immigrant had the temerity to go to the emergency room, do you get a bill? What are you talking about?
You have to come up with some other excuse for wanting to ethnically cleanse the US because this talking point is just flat-out the opposite of truth.
Did the Jesus Caucus hire Tony to come here and shill for them? 99% of the commenters here are in an Infowars Hovel switching from fake name to fake name to upchuck Orangopox Gospel of hate. Along comes Tony to report back to his "come the Revolution" buddies that HERE is where real libertarians gather, and guess what? MAGAt INFILTRATORS APING LIBERTARIANS ARE EXACTLY LIKE J6 TRUMPANZEES.
Things got better in spite of you Marxists. Not because of you. Everyone like you has an ocean of blood on their hands.
You flatter me. I can barely get out of bed most days.
Those immigrants are refugees from Nixon-Reagan-Biden-Bush exports of superstitious, coercive sumptuary laws that equivocate everything into "narcotics" so they can shoot people just as they equivocated everything into "liquor" so they could shoot people and wreck the US economy. Many fled to France. Rational people notice these equations and reject the equivocations.
As usual the comments don’t fail to disappoint. Now is not the time for freedom. We have problems we pulled out of our asses to solve, and the only solution is fascism.
Problems like not enough while people having babies in a certain geographical context or brown and LGBT people having too much social visibility.
Meanwhile the real problems like climate change are just Jewish conspiracies.
All of this has happened before.
As usual, the steaming pile of lying lefty shit drags strawmen all the way from home and slays them.
Fuck all watermelons including you and your 'climate change'; read something accurate about it:
“Unsettled”, Steven Koonin
“Apocalypse Never”, Michael Shellenberger
“Climate Uncertainty and Risk”, Judith Curry
“Fossil Future”, Alex Epstein
And then make the world a far better place: Fuck off and die, asshole
I am so hard right now.
"hard right"
A comma would've made this far less political.
Points for catching the wordplay.
Dearie me, this is rich. You start your post with accusations of strawmen, then recommend a book with a title that is, itself, a straw man. Your username sells you short.
Bonus points for anyone who enjoys "doing your own research": find the original quote of the climate scientist declaring "the science is settled". The answer also explains the book title irony.
Everyone needs an enemy to blame. Yours is climate deniers, theirs is homos.
And I enthusiastically believe that climate deniers are worse than Hitler and that homos should be in charge.
Then you won't mind being sacrificed to Gaia via dropping into the lava.
It's for her own good.
I don’t give a shit about your gods. I just don’t want to have to move to Trumplandia, formerly known as Greenland.
I have a lot of shit I’d have to pack up. I got into cooking in the last few years.
Gaia ain't my God, it's yours.
Ah, so in this metaphor, Gaia is the habitable environment of the only planet capable of sustaining the human species.
Eh, fuck it. After all, Donald Trump would have a stainless steel toilet instead of gold in prison, and that we can’t do.
Learn to read before you continue making a public ignoramus of yourself.
I have a funny feeling you are cheating on me.
So, as an ignorant pile of lefty shit, you choose to remain such.
Poor BAYBEE! I left the USA when Nixon's minions were kicking in doors over hemp twigs and enslaving kids into burning primitive villages on the other side of Gaia. No that the nazis are again hooting and screeching, I'm again basking in sunshine where I know the language.
Good. Don’t ever come back Hank. We don’t need anymore red diaper babies here.
Ah! So after getting the derivative of X=9 in math and physics, how ready is Tony to debate Tony Heller on the Socialist alternative to Sharknado Warmunism? See realclimatescience.com and weep. Driving electrical Engineers into voting for girl-bullying nazis who DON'T want to ban electricity is an accomplishment to brag about... especially to jobless Dem politicians!
Do seek help my friend.
Hank is a grim look into your future.
I enthusiastically believe watermelons are worse than Stalin. Fuck off and die, watermelon.
Yes, you hate that you’re the deviant. Leftists like you always do. This is why you want to pervert civilization and groom children.
Just die. You’re a sick, evil shitweasel.
Dude I can barely boil pasta.
Yep. BIDEN: And there is no doubt in anyone's mind why there is so much street crime. Somewhere on the order of 50% of all the street crime in America is attributable to drug abuse. That is, when someone wants to go buy the cocaine or go buy the heroin or go buy the marijuana, they crack someone over the top of the head, take their wallet, take their purse, and half the time they are under the influence at the time. September 27, 1986 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD – SENATE (Bayes page number) S 13973. Tony's looter.
So to Hell with Ayn Rand and Robert Heinlein, Petr Beckmann, and David Nolan! What this country needs is an Austrian artilleryman for the Accursed Christian Hun in a Hitler mustache getting range and elevation memos from the hand of the Little Corporal himself in the war to end all dope and appease Qing China so they don't boycott Yew Ess exports. And what The Trumpf's girl-bullying bigots needed was to associate Libertarians with the Alabama Institute funded by gold chiseled from teeth by the AfD's grandpappies! Our vote share curve shows how successful was this infiltrate-and-sabotage mission! https://libertariantranslator.wordpress.com/2024/12/22/return-of-national-socialism/
And here we have the intersection of philosophy and economics, both of which by themselves are nothing more than mental onanism. I have no idea what to call the result of their mingled fluids -- lubbertarian kool aid, maybe?
Yes, you have no idea. Just because you can't tell good logic from bad logic doesn't mean that logic isn't a useful tool. The difference between useful economics and philosophy; and worthless economics and philosophy is: LOGIC when mingled with FACTS.
Gonna agree here. Like any science, economics is subject to testing: predict a result from a certain activity and watch for the results: Higher M/W, job count. Price elasticity, development. Rent control, rental unit supply. Yep, it works.
"Climate change" fails miserably by comparison.
TARIFFS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Mises was born September 29, 1881, in the Austro-Hungarian city of Lemberg.
Lemberg was the old name. It's now known as Lviv, or Lvov (as my grandmother always called it).
Humble-bragging by shrike impersonator
It's gov'na shrike.
Ok Shirke.
BTW, Some TDS-addled asshole is making an asshole of him/herself;
"Military to Remove 'Enola Gay' Photos for Violating DEI Rules"
https://www.msn.com/en-us/society-culture-and-history/social-issues/military-to-remove-enola-gay-photos-for-violating-dei-rules/ar-AA1ArdGY?ocid=BingNewsSerp
Question: Who first coined "malicious compliance'?
No idea, but this looks like a prime example of it.
It absolutely is. It's an accurate term we should be using.
Tariffs, like most government interventions, undermine economic growth on a net basis. That is to say they create more costs than they confer benefits. But, there's a danger in economics of over-aggregating. Those costs and benefits are not universally and uniformly distributed. They have re-distributive effects. There are winners and losers. In the case of tariffs, that redistribution is from service providers and those manufacturing differentiated goods to those manufacturing commodity products. And on a stand-alone basis, I'd oppose them. The problem for libertarians is that the question of tariffs or no tariffs is definitely not on a stand-alone basis. It's just one of a thousand government interventions. And the pattern of removing those interventions, of liberalization, has not been random or uniformly distributed. Rather, it has been consistently in favor of those with relatively more political capital at the expense of those with relatively less political capital. Even in the matter of free trade, it's all too common to see even the most ardent free trader get soil their panties in opposition to, say, pharmaceutical reimportation. But, I could name countless other interventions (e.g. the Fed, IP protections, support for higher ed, Section 230, the FDA, employment law) that aren't even on the table for elimination. Unsurprisingly, these interventions favor the relatively affluent and socially desirable. They favor those nice ladies and gentlemen in suits and lab coats who went to the right schools and not the dirty, uneducated, sorts in dungarees or overalls. In that broader context, I find it hard to work up much opposition to just another intervention favoring the latter.
Hate to break the news to you, but other than a corner of the libertarian movement, the American "conservative" never cared about Mises or any of the other major Austrian economists. Briefs nods to Hayek, but only because he wrote a book about the broad highway leading to Fascism. (Which is currently being used a guidebook by many politicians).
Sound money? Nope. Reduced spending? Nope. Austrian monetary policies? Nope. In no way has the American conservative movement ever been Austrian, let alone Misesian.
I tiny handful of conservative have been, but they are the miniscule minority that demonstrates that the overwhelming bulk of conservatism doesn't care about rational individualist economics.
You don't "break news" to anyone, steaming pile of TDS-addled shit.
Yes, because Libertarians, Randians, and the anything-goes liberals continue to let anything that brings in God/religion/ morality pass however horrible it is .
Edward Feser has your number:
"In particular, I would argue that the work of Austrian thinkers, including Hayek and Rothbard, has been deficient where it has strayed from economics per se and forayed into the realm of moral theory. My critique is an internal one, though, a friendly challenge to Austrian sympathizers from someone who shares their sympathy. The suggestion I want to develop today is that while Catholic social theorists do indeed have much to learn from Austrian economists, Austrian economists – or at least those Austrian economists already sympathetic to Catholicism and/or to the natural law approach to moral theory associated with Catholic thought – ought to consider the possibility that they might have much to learn from Catholic social thought. "
I do not see you praising J D Vance and his Ordo Amoris approach for example but that was one of the best analyses of my lifetime. What a surprise to get Catholic Social Thought and St Augustine in one big relevant dollop
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The 3 legs as Lincoln rightly saw it are: Natural Law, Bible, Religiouis Freedom
You are trying to use the idea of 'civil religion'but you have it wrong
I asked ChatGPT and voila !!!
"Abraham Lincoln, while not a traditional religious man, deeply valued natural law and the Bible's principles, using them to advocate for religious freedom and equality, particularly in his stance against slavery. "
Then why are you leaving the Trumpian Schumpeter