Elon Musk Implausibly Claims 'Competence and Caring' Can Cut the Federal Budget Deficit in Half
The DOGE director wildly exaggerates what can be accomplished by tackling "waste, fraud, and abuse" in government spending without new legislation.

Speaking to reporters for the first time since he took charge of the Trump administration's cost-cutting initiative, Elon Musk yesterday portrayed the project as an effort to restore democracy by disempowering "a large unelected bureaucracy" that defies "the will of the people." Musk, who delivered comments and took questions alongside President Donald Trump in the Oval Office, also presented the efforts of his so-called Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) as both necessary and sufficient to address the nation's looming fiscal crisis. As became clear when Musk got into the details of what DOGE is trying to do, both of those characterizations are highly misleading.
The main thrust of Musk's efforts is applying sound business practices to federal expenditures, which is laudable and long overdue. But that has very little to do with confronting a "fourth, unconstitutional branch of government," as Musk put it (although that spin may appeal to Trump, given his longstanding complaints about a "deep state" conspiracy against his agenda). And contrary to what Musk claimed, tackling "waste, fraud, and abuse" cannot possibly generate enough savings to eliminate the annual budget deficit, which was nearly $2 trillion in fiscal year 2024, let alone reduce the ever-climbing national debt, which currently exceeds $36 trillion, including $29 trillion in debt held by the public.
"We've got a $2 trillion deficit," Musk said. "If we don't do something about this deficit, the country's going bankrupt….Interest payments alone on the national debt exceed the Defense Department budget, which is shocking [because] we spend a lot of money on defense. And if that just keeps going, we're essentially gonna bankrupt the country….It's not optional for us to reduce the federal expenses; it's essential. It's essential for America to remain solvent as a country. And it's essential for America to have the resources necessary to provide things to its citizens and not simply be servicing vast amounts of debt."
That assessment was sound and sobering. But as Musk delivered it, he was standing next to a president, seated at the Resolute Desk, who added an estimated $8.4 trillion to the national debt during his first term and has proposed policies that could add another $7.8 trillion. Nor was that the only reason to doubt that the Trump administration can achieve the sort of spending cuts that will be necessary to address the challenge that Musk described.
Musk emphasized that DOGE is trying to correct sloppy payment practices that make it impossible to know whether taxpayer money is being properly spent. The Treasury Department, he said, lacks "basic controls" such as "making sure that any given payment has a payment categorization code" and that "there is a comment field that describes the payment." He said departments (including the Pentagon, he noted) "can't pass audits" because "the payments don't have a categorization code" and "you can't reconcile blank checks." For "many payments," he added, the comment field that is supposed to describe what the payment is for "also is left blank."
Musk also repeatedly noted problems with the federal government's "do not pay" list, which includes "dead people, terrorists, [and] known fraudsters." He complained that it takes unreasonably long—"up to a year"—to update the list, and even then departments do not necessarily pay attention to it, which he said is "crazy" and "mind blowing." He said his team had identified "thousands of transactions" in which individuals or organizations on the "do not pay" list were paid anyway.
Trump, who jumped in at several points to amplify the importance of Musk's work, referred repeatedly to "corruption" and "kickbacks." But Musk himself offered another explanation for improper payments that probably applies more often. "When you understand that really everything is geared towards complaints minimization," he said, "then you understand the motivations…..If people receive money, they don't complain, obviously. But if people don't receive money, they do complain. And the fraudsters complain the loudest and the fastest."
Musk wants to counteract those incentives. "We are really just talking about adding common-sense controls," he said. "It's not draconian or radical."
While Musk thinks the modesty of his expectations should reassure Americans who might be worried about "draconian or radical" spending cuts, it undermines his broader argument about the potential impact of the changes he has in mind. He claimed DOGE can "cut the budget deficit in half" simply by insisting on "competence and caring."
Notably, that goal is half the size of the cuts that Musk envisioned during the presidential campaign, when he breezily estimated that the Trump administration could eliminate "at least 2 trillion" from annual federal spending. "The idea that waste & fraud in the federal budget totals $2 trillion(!) is so absurd as to be utterly disqualifying," says Manhattan Institute budget expert Jessica Riedl. She notes that "items like payment errors, duplication, & cost overruns have long been quantified in reports" from sources such as the Government Accountability Office (GAO), inspectors general in various departments, and the Office of Management and Budget. The total is "miles from $2 trillion," she says. "Get real."
What about $1 trillion, the amount Musk now claims could be saved by attacking "waste, fraud, and abuse"? Last April, the GAO estimated that "the federal government could lose between $233 billion and $521 billion annually to fraud." If we assume that something like $500 billion a year could be saved by attacking fraud and other improper payments, that would get Musk only halfway to his goal. But even that assumption is overly optimistic for several reasons.
First, $521 billion was the GAO's high-end estimate of fraud. Second, completely eliminating fraud is an unrealistic goal. Third (and relatedly), preventing fraud costs money: The Congressional Budget Office, for example, assumes that each dollar spent on measures to prevent health care fraud generates $1.50 in savings.
"We're finding tremendous fraud and tremendous abuse," Trump said yesterday. "We've already found billions of dollars of abuse, incompetence, and corruption." Even if that is true, "billions" is a long way from a trillion.
"When you get down to it, it's gonna be probably close to a trillion dollars," Trump suggested. "It could be close to a trillion dollars that we're gonna find." Probably not, judging from all the reports that Riedl cites, and it is notable that Trump is already hedging.
Riedl thinks "DOGE can potentially save taxpayers hundreds of billions of dollars by reducing government waste and improving program efficiency." That is nothing to sneeze at, but it is far short of cutting the deficit in half, let alone eliminating it.
What about DOGE's attempt to reduce the federal workforce by paying people to quit? So far, the Trump administration says, about 65,000 people have accepted that offer. That represents less than 3 percent of civilians working for the federal government, who together cost about $300 billion a year in salaries and benefits. That suggests the savings from this initiative might amount to something like $8 billion.
To illustrate what could be achieved by "competence and caring," Musk said a "cursory examination of Social Security" found that "we've got people in there that are 150 years old now." It is not clear whether he meant checks had actually been issued to those presumably dead individuals or just that their Social Security numbers were still active. Such errors obviously should be corrected, but the potential savings are infinitesimal in the context of the Social Security system, let alone the $7 trillion federal budget.
During a 2016 presidential debate, Trump said he would "save Social Security" by attacking the "tremendous waste, fraud and abuse" within the program. "We have in Social Security right now thousands and thousands of people that are over 106 years old," he averred. "Now, you know they don't exist."
The Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget (CRFB) noted that "ending benefit payments to thousands of beneficiaries would barely move the needle on solvency," adding that "there would need to be almost 10 million ineligible 106-year olds in order to save Social Security solely by ending fraudulent and mistaken payments." In any case, according to a 2013 report from the Social Security Administration's inspector general, "there were just over 1,500 deceased individuals still receiving benefits in total, including many below the age of 106 and accounting for about $15 million in additional improper benefit payments." A 2015 report "did find 6.5 million active Social Security numbers for people over the age of 112—but only 13 of them were being used to receive benefits."
Those numbers, the CRFB said, suggested that the problem described by Trump involved "between 13 and 1,500 recipients," which would cost "between $200,000 and $15 million annually." Stopping all of those payments therefore "would reduce program costs by between 0.00002 and 0.002 percent."
Misleading anecdotes like these cannot paper over the gap between Musk's methods and his avowed goal of cutting the budget deficit in half. He wildly overestimates what can be accomplished by imposing "common-sense controls." And when it comes to the other half of the deficit, he resorts to more wishful thinking.
With the help of "deregulation," annual economic growth could reach "3 [or] 4 percent, maybe 5 percent," Musk said. "If you can get a trillion dollars of economic growth and you can cut the budget deficit by a trillion between now and next year, there is no inflation. There's no inflation [in 2026]. And if the government is not borrowing as much, it means that interest costs decline. So everyone's mortgage, their car payment, their credit card bills…their student debt—the monthly payments drop. That's a fantastic scenario for the average American. I mean, imagine they're going down the grocery aisle and the prices from one year to the next are the same and…all their debt payments dropped. How great is that for the average American?"
That rosy scenario depends on several questionable assumptions. But let's focus on Musk's suggestion that an additional $1 trillion in economic growth would somehow eliminate $1 trillion from the federal budget deficit, which makes no sense unless all the additional wealth is collected as taxes—a policy that would hardly be conducive to expanding the economy.
More generally, as Riedl explained in a Reason essay last week, Musk's projections of the economic growth that can be expected as a result of Trump's policies are utterly unrealistic. Politicians' "promises of aggressively accelerated economic growth are a lazy, longstanding gimmick meant to avoid the hard choices of restraining deficits and paying for their expensive proposals," she wrote. "They are based on little more than politicians' wishful thinking and over-exuberant faith in the brilliance of their own policy agendas."
Even if Musk succeeds in curtailing "waste, fraud, and abuse," there is only so much he can accomplish by focusing on "driving change through executive action based on existing legislation," which is how he described his agenda last November. Any serious attempt to reduce federal borrowing will require new legislation that addresses the main drivers of federal spending, including Social Security, Medicare, and the military budget. But the platform on which Trump ran takes all those things off the table while promising pricey policies that will only exacerbate the problem that Musk decries.
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How much has USAID given you clowns anyway? Was it worth it?
js;dr
I made the mistake of doing it. It's a lot of "we already know there's a ton of known fraud and waste that bureaucrats are willing to tell us about. However, we'll take them at their word that there isn't more. Let's not even try dealing with these things one at a time."
Reason keeps reaching new lows.
He also parses Musk's extemporaneous remarks with the lowest benefit of the doubt. Musk said: "If you can get a trillion dollars of economic growth and you can cut the budget deficit by a trillion between now and next year, there is no inflation."
This was Musk trying to explain the benefits of economic growth coupled with the benefits of less borrowing. But Sullum misinterpreted Musk's statement. He thinks it is Musk saying that "an additional $1 trillion in economic growth would somehow eliminate $1 trillion from the federal budget deficit,"
It is just flatly a misread by Sullum, but he spends another two paragraphs trying to "fact check" a fact that he made up in his addled brain.
These people grew soft dealing with Trump. They do not BEGIN to have the intellectual heft to deal with Musk, one of the most successful entrepreneurs in history. Like that smarmy hall monitor kid in school, Sullum is CERTAIN his ackshewally remarks demonstrate he is the smartest kid in the room, and he is going to look like a clown in 4 years.
Was it a misread or are you being charitable?
I think the opposite- some sort of malicious twisting of words- is too charitable. That would indicate that Sullum knows the caricature of Musk that he is painting- the charlatan lying to everyone because he is too stupid to do anything useful- is false. No, Sullum does not have the chops to be that self aware.
he is going to look like a clown in 4 years
"going to"?
I, too, believe there's a trillion dollars of waste in the government because I, too, am a fucking idiot.
The U.S. government spent $6.75 trillion in 2024. You don't think that that could be trimmed by 15% without eliminating essential fed.gov services?
GFY JS
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So, uh, Jacob, how much is USAID paying you, either directly or indirectly?
He's spouting DNC talking points fresh from Journolist, so yeah.
"Without proof" and "implausible" are the order of the day, despite the fact that there is iron clad proof released with every DOGE revelation.
Shellenberger points out the NYT following the same orders: The New York Times says “Musk Asserts Without Proof That Bureaucracy Is Rife With Fraud.” Seriously? The GAO — under Biden — estimated last year that we are losing $233-$521 billion *per year* to fraud. Guys, it’s right there. Why do you continue with this… fraud? SMH
Anderson Cooper is now claiming that there isn't government fraud to be exposed.
Anderson also told us that Biden's mental decline was right wing disinformation.
He also selectively edited Trump's interview so he could spread the Fine People Hoax.
Their authenticity is overwhelming"
But muh spending.
Reeeeeee harder loser.
"Tread on me, Daddy Trump! Get it all over my face!!"
Does everything make you think about a man splooging on your face, or is it just the topic of bloated federal spending?
Embarrassing.
I think maybe he can. If he can find enough fraud and waste in SS, Medicare, and the VA - and I'm pretty sure he can - it looks doable.
Saved a shit ton of money in the first two weeks, think what could happen in a year.
Medicare/aid is in the hundreds if billions for fraud per just the IG.
SS is probably up there too.
There's also the not-strictly-fraud Medicare waste that shouldn't be tolerated, like all the barely-legal quack medical appliances advertised on TV to Medicare recipients. A huge amount of unnecessary medical spending could be curtailed by going back to prohibiting direct-to-consumer marketing of prescription drugs. The USA is one of only two G20/OECD nations that allow this.
How much of that could be covered by just returning to a pre-COVID baseline? Then add in the waste and fraud search.
The claim is the budget deficit, so the annual deficit addition to the debt, can be halved. If the claim was that the debt could be halved then sure, that's insane but this is just halving the annual increase you dishonest leftist shill.
It reads like typical deep state propaganda. "You're never going to cut enough so don't even try." Someone interested in an honest evaluation would highlight current cuts and point to additional places in need of cits.
I love the leftist asinine belief that the government just has no fat to cut.
Every private organization has tons of fat to cut. The government? None at all.
Musk has literally just started on smaller parts of the discretionary budget. Among other things he still has to go through the DOD, SS, Medicare, Medicaid, and several departments directly under the executive's control.
Sullum is such an asshat. If he actually wanted the government to cut spending then he would cheer on these efforts and help to point out specifics that can reasonably be cut. He would also be encouraging his fellow democrats to get on board with cutting spending legislatively. That Sullum takes self-interested declarations from bureacrats as gospel is one of many indications that he doesn't actually want to cut spending and is aligned with exactly the wrong people.
This magazine is worthless in spreading libertarian thought or accurately relaying information.
"...Sullum is such an asshat.."
You misspelled "TDS-addled steaming pile of shit".
Some people are overly kind.
Look. This won't solve things on its own. No.
However, there is also the fact that we must start somewhere.
And look at the virulent anger surrounding these cuts, including clear waste, incompetence, and apparent graft.
This is the low hanging fruit here. And people are lining up to defend hundreds of millions in unaccountable expenses.
Now, can we stop at this point? No. However, I would quote "get out of debt" advisors. You have to change your mindset. Just because going out for lunch every day won't fix your budget alone doesn't mean that you shouldn't cut the fast food expenses.
I'd also like to reiterate that we are three weeks into this administration. Acting like this is anywhere near end goal is absurd to the point of idiotic. And I know you aren't stupid, so I can only conclude that you are objecting in bad faith.
Correct. Not going to starbucks for an overpriced coffee every day won't fix a monthly personal deficit of $1000. OTOH, not eliminating wasteful luxuries like that shows an unwillingness to actually address the problem. You have to start somewhere and only an unserious person will argue in favor of continuing the wasteful spending habit.
Let's get the ball rolling on small cuts so we can get more support for bigger ones. As someone else here said "mind the cents and the dollars will take care of themselves." Instead of that, Sullum just excuses the bloated budgets that subvert the will of the people paying for them.
"...This is the low hanging fruit here. And people are lining up to defend hundreds of millions in unaccountable expenses..."
Repeating myself:
For years, the swamp slime have been hugely enriching themselves with zero accountability, while producing absolutely nothing of value.
There are billions of dollars involved here, and the slime is not about to let the gravy train end without a knock-down, drag-out battle with Trump, Musk and shitbag useful idiots like Sullum.
Fuck off and die, Sullum, but have your kin tell me alone where they jammed your miserable ass in the dirt. I don't want to stand in line to piss on your grave.
Sullum implausibly claims he is not a TDS-addled slimy pile of shit who should fuck off and die.
Even if their projections aren't accurate, if Musk & Trump make progress in the right direction, I'll be happy about that. I'm personally more concerned about things going back to the status quo (or worse, swinging back the other direction) after Trump leaves office.
This entire article seems like a rather misguided take for a site like Reason.
When did we elect President Musk ?
And why is Trump sitting at the kiddie table ?
Why are you posting propaganda here, asshole?
When did we elect Sec Austin? Mayorkas? Buttegieg?
Just curious. Because Musk is closer to them in terms of power than, you know, the President.
Less actual power as everything Musk does is advisory while the tools you listed had actual implementation power.
Low effort trolling.
We elected Trump, who has decided to have Musk review these things and advise. Just like how you democrats allowed George and Alex Soros to do the same.
We didn’t elect all these corrupt bureaucrats who do your party’s bidding. Nor did we elect activist judges who are restraining legitimate action taken by our great President.
Government has a spending problem, not an income problem. Make it stay within its means. Freeze the budget. Period. No more new spending. Let inflation and economic growth increase revenue until it equals the frozen spending budget. Balanced budget whoopie!
Nobody gets a raise. Federal workers and contractors too. Social Security payments don’t change. Doctors can’t squeeze more out of Medicaid. No new grants. That’s the sarc solution.
What exactly do you think Trump and Musk are trying to do? They trying to identify that spending so it can be cut if frivolous. If you could take off your TDS blinders, you might see that.
He doesn't actually wants cuts.
He wants something he can scream and rage at.
Didn’t mention getting permission from Congress, so maybe progress is being made.
Check the Boehm thread.
Translation: sarc disagreed with what I say about sarc, that means he's a liar and a fraud, hurr durr durrrrrrrr
You really have no business here. So why don’t you just fuck the fuck off out of here? Surely you have more binge drinking to do. Wouldn’t want an alcoholic bitch like you to go thirsty.
Posting here is literally all the human interaction sarc gets.
He probably gets beaten up most of the time in face to face interactions. Pedo Jeffy too.
Lol.
Yet you've spent the last two weeks complaining Trump has been trying to do those things. Budding up with Jeff screaming process!
You spent years blaming Trump for covid spending.
You're not fooling anyone dem fuck.
You pretend to want cuts yet scream when it is done.
You're a lying hypocrite.
What else do the voices tell you?
You’re the one with the severely damaged, alcohol shrunken brain here.
This sounds simple but it isn't. Inflation alone means that when you freeze the budget, you have to make decisions of where you take cuts. 2% inflation generally means 2 out of 100 employees need to be laid off in an organization, and you need to figure out what work will not be performed
Mind you, I think freezing the budget is a great idea. I am just pointing out that you will have many of the same arguments that are happening today- "We can't do that because we won't be able to do X and everyone wants to do X". It will still happen regularly.
Government could cut thousands of employees without any noticeable effect. Biden just spent years adding thousands of federal employees without anyone seeing a benefit.
The federal workforce is less than one percent of the budget.
I'm talking about cuts in wealth transfers. Social Security checks don't increase. Medicare reimbursements don't increase.
You know, actual federal spending.
And you’re raging against a president that is actually trying to do something about that. But you don’t really want spending cut. You’re in the tank for the democrats.
You are their creature.
Didn’t they find like 250billion in fraud near the end of last year?
Finding $1Trillion to cut might not be that hard.
I suspect that the budget could be drawn down enough in this fashion that we can balance the budget in short order through economic growth. Hopefully the democrats can be dealt with, so America can be saved from them.
The DOGE director wildly exaggerates what can be accomplished by tackling "waste, fraud, and abuse" in government spending without new legislation.
Which makes it a zero on the 100 point outrage scale. Why is Sullum so much more outraged by people cutting not enough government than by people massively adding to government?
Don't answer that, we know.
Democrats pretending to be libertarians always utilize the Nirvana fallacy.
The first thing you realize upon meeting people like this is that they always have an excuse. It doesn't matter much what the excuse is, if the one they are grasping at today were satisfied they would invent another one tomorrow. If necessary they will invent an entire mythology to justify their claims as they did with The 1619 Project. This is why they have hundreds of thousands of activists thinking up these justifications and creating the backstory for them.
As I said last night, it is hilarious watching these articles come out from people who just hate the idea that Musk might actually do some good. To read people like ENB when Musk took over Twitter, he had shat the bed, and the company was days from falling apart. She did this by focusing on every little mistake and declaring them as the DOOOOOM for the company- yet more proof that Musk couldn't succeed.
But this is what these shills don't understand: This is how Musk works. He tries all sorts of shit. He pivots, and he tries new things. And when stuff fails, he learns and moves onto the next thing. To read ENB, you'd be shocked to know today that X is one of the largest media platform. Because all she does is harp on failures.
Imagine if these assholes followed SpaceX the way they follow Musk's other endeavors. Every crashed Falcon would be proof that his dream of re-usable rockets was crazy. Every year of losses would be the "nail in the coffin". And they'd be just as shocked in 10 years when SpaceX was the biggest space launch company in the world. Because it took failure after failure after failure until suddenly SpaceX was landing rockets on boats in the middle of the fucking ocean.
This is such a ridiculous article. It is basically two pages of Sullum trying to pick apart Musk's extemporaneous remarks- finding little failures or inconsistencies in order to...what...? It isn't really even clear. Sullum seems delighted to point out that he doesn't think Musk can manage $2 Trillion in savings.
And so, this "Libertarian" has nothing but scorn and criticism for every suggestion Musk has about saving money. Because each one of these ideas isn't going to single-handedly solve the budget, Sullum wants to criticize it. This is insanity.
It is highly likely that we won't be able to find more than $400 Billion in waste, fraud and abuse by requiring sane and common sense accounting principles. But Sullum should be jumping with JOY that Musk is pushing it. Instead he is calling the man everything short of a charlatan. And once we have real accounting of government's payments, we can actually provide real evidence of where the money is going, and we can knock out the "bad ideas" along with the fraud and abuse.
But for Sullum, like every other hater out there, this will be a surprise when it works because they are convinced that every single failure is evidence that Musk is failing, than evidence that he is working fast, and learning how to succeed.
That assessment was sound and sobering. But as Musk delivered it, he was standing next to a president, seated at the Resolute desk, who added an estimated $8.4 trillion to the national debt during his first term and has proposed policies that could add another $7.8 trillion.
That's why.
Unless one is a cultist you know his records sucks ass.
Imagine still trying to pretend that the Covid Lockdowns and Pelosi's spending spree were Trump's fault.
You need a new schtick, fascist.
A few years back SPB posted kiddy porn to this site, and his initial handle was banned. The link below details all the evidence surrounding that ban. A decent person would honor that ban and stay away from Reason. Instead SPB keeps showing up, acting as if all people should just be ok with a kiddy-porn-posting asshole hanging around. Since I cannot get him to stay away, the only thing I can do is post this boilerplate, and link to the evidence of his wrongdoing.
https://reason.com/2022/08/06/biden-comforts-the-comfortable/?comments=true#comment-9635836
Don't respond to SPB, just shun him.
This is true.
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
That assessment was sound and sobering. But as Musk delivered it, he was standing next to a president, seated at the Resolute desk, who added an estimated $8.4 trillion to the national debt during his first term and has proposed policies that could add another $7.8 trillion.
Sick fuck thinks he is "small government".
This is why I don't cheer the $44 billion cut in USAid.
I fugure Fatass Donnie still owes us a few trillion.
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https://reason.com/2022/08/06/biden-comforts-the-comfortable/?comments=true#comment-9635836
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That assessment was sound and sobering. But as Musk delivered it, he was standing next to a president, seated at the Resolute desk, who added an estimated $8.4 trillion to the national debt during his first term and has proposed policies that could add another $7.8 trillion.
Imagine still trying to pretend that the Covid Lockdowns and Pelosi's spending spree were Trump's fault.
You need a new schtick, fascist.
Trump, McConnell and Pelosi's spending spree
You always leave out 2/3 of the Big Gov assholes.
What Overt said about you is true though.
turd, the ass-wipe of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
A few years back SPB posted kiddy porn to this site, and his initial handle was banned. The link below details all the evidence surrounding that ban. A decent person would honor that ban and stay away from Reason. Instead SPB keeps showing up, acting as if all people should just be ok with a kiddy-porn-posting asshole hanging around. Since I cannot get him to stay away, the only thing I can do is post this boilerplate, and link to the evidence of his wrongdoing.
https://reason.com/2022/08/06/biden-comforts-the-comfortable/?comments=true#comment-9635836
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That really happened though pedo.
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit.
Imagine still trying to pretend that the Covid Lockdowns and Pelosi's spending spree were Trump's fault.
You need a new schtick, fascist.
turd, the TDS-addled ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
sullum is jfree?
I mean, I haven't seen Sullum say anything overtly antisemitic. So maybe Sullum is just Hank.
"Jacob Sullum Implausibly Claims To Be a Libertarian".
JS;dr. OK I read the headline. I really thought Jacob would show up to defend all of the lawfare against DOGE coming from the Ds and their hand picked judges. There's nothing that asshole Sullum loves more than novel legal theories as long as the lawfare is aimed at Orange man. I doubt that he's given up on his infatuation with statist corruption so I'm sure he's busily sweating over a keyboard right now cranking out yet another frenzied screed. Anyhoo I'm told that Reason gets paid for clicks and Sullum headlines get the clicks, libertarian principles be damned. It makes me sad to confront the reality that my beloved Reason would continue to feature this pathetic piece of shit for a few extra bucks but that's where we are. I'm pretty sure my click won't have any more effect than my vote for Bill Weld did but I think it's time to boycott this deranged clown altogether. I would encourage whatever libertarians are left out there to do the same.
>>OK I read the headline.
#metoo it's where the laugh waits.
This publication's daily parodies of libertarianism aside, part of the problem with these conversations is wildly disparate definitions of "fraud and waste". To some, it's only fraud if something is technically illegal. To others, a rich guy finding a way to technically qualify for welfare is still conceptually "fraud", or at least certainly "waste".
A Democrat will say that if the "transgender comic book in Peru" funding is REALLY spent on "transgender comics in Peru", then there's no fraud or waste.
Amazing how almost everyone in media, Reason included, is so concerned over the disruption these efforts may cause. As for calling out the "large unelected bureaucracy" I thought it was foundational to libertarianism to oppose the delegation of all of this power and regulatory authority; however, seems all Reason writers want to do here is criticize every single effort to do so.
What the hell are you so afraid of?
Reason magazine... the new MSNBC
I don't give a fuck if he only cuts 10%.
It's a damned sight more than any Democrat President since Clinton, or either Bush or even Saint Ronnie.
What a stupid headline. Waaah! He can't cut half!
So, what, you wanna stop him from cutting anything.
Stupid stupid headline. No point in reading any further.
Jesse and his gang approve of this comment. It shows zero knowledge of economics, attacks Democrats, attacks Reason, and defends Trump. Only thing that's missing is attacking me, jeff, or some other person for understanding civics or economics. So I give you a seven out of ten. Needs more attacks, as well as some economic fallacies.
"his gang approve of this comment"
Sarc imagines it's West Side Story and Jesse and the Sharks are moving in on him and Maria, snapping their thumbs to the beat.
"Only thing that's missing is attacking me"
That's my job, attention whore.
This comes across as whining. It's not that anything you said is wrong, it's just ridiculous to be complaining about the shit you're complaining about because it doesn't matter. Somebody has to actually reduce the budget and I don't care how much hyperbole they expend in the process, or how many people they piss off, or whether Trump was a part of the problem before (he was). What matters is cutting the budget and getting to a balanced budget and then to surpluses. It's fine to be skeptical but this is the best chance since the Clinton years to make budget progress. That's all that matters. Your rhetorical priority should be to steamroll the forces opposing reductions in government spending and working against a balanced budget.
This is actually a terrible idea. I get why it sounds good to people who think the federal “budget” works like a household budget, but unfortunately you’ve been fed decades of lies by silly assholes no real economist takes seriously.
A federal deficit is equivalent to a private-sector surplus. It amounts to stimulus, that’s all. Sometimes it can overheat as we have seen lately, but the real problem is when you erase trillions of dollars from the economy because some choad thinks it’s a good idea and we enter a depression spiral.
Hey sarc! Your fellow dimwit is calling!
Jesse and his gang approve of your personal attack. They all got collective wood. Had you been listening you'd have heard a chorus of men saying "Sha-wing!"
Thing is, you're never going to gain their full approval until you denounce the dismal science for being leftist. Until you declare Trump to be an economic genius, then you're a leftist just like me.
Attacking me won't gain their favor you twit.
I don't know. It's working for me. I love SGT now.
That's two, no three bonkers comments. I have no idea what point he's trying to make or who he thinks he's trying to make mad at who. I thought the first one, further above, was maybe just hitting the wrong Reply button. As much as I think Jesse's got TDS about tariffs, he's completely sane and lucid the rest of the time. Sarc? He ought to get back to backing Biden, he made more sense doing that.
ETA: Maybe I should change SGT to Sarc Gets Trumped.
Guess I was wrong. You can become popular by being mean to me. Glad it makes you feel good about yourself.
I'm telling you though, as long as you defend economics they're not going to accept you. No matter how mean you are to me. You need to disavow economics. Especially comparative advantage and opportunity cost. You must denounce those things if you ever want to be popular.
Otherwise you're just dancing around not realizing that when they say they're peeing in my direction, your feet are getting wet.
Where were you 50 years ago? Why didn't you tell me this secret when I was growing up? Fine friend you are. Fuck you.
Dude he's blackout drunk. Just compare his posts labeled as 5 hours ago to the more recent ones.
I read an article a long time ago about drunks and flying. I may not remember all these details right, but it astounds me how far gone sarc is and still manages to mostly type correctly.
Someone put random non-flyers through pilot training in simulators. I believe the study was done around 1970, so the simulators were nothing like today, but probably not relevant. Half the trainees were drunk, half sober.
At some point, they concluded training, and then ran all through various emergency scenarios in the simulators, and again half were drunk and half sober, but each original group was split in half. They found that trainees who had trained sober and were tested sober were the best, but those who trained drunk and were tested drunk were second best. Those who switched between training and testing were the worst.
I remember it particularly because some bureaucrat was on a talk show and I called in to ask about this study, had the name and reference and everything, and all he did was scream how drunken flying is always bad.
So I'm guessing sarc learned to type drunk.
Sarcasmic is the Dr Johnny Fever of drunk posting.
https://www.tiktok.com/@sonicmoreretro/video/7188931853041077510
Boycott Sullum.
We need a mute button for Reason writers.
>Elon Musk Implausibly Claims 'Competence and Caring' Can Cut the Federal Budget Deficit in Half
Because there is no competence and caring in the federal government?
>The DOGE director wildly exaggerates what can be accomplished by tackling "waste, fraud, and abuse" in government spending without new legislation.
How would you know Sullum? You don't want them to even look at the receipts right now.
Dixon IL comptroller Rita Crundwell embezzled 53 million dollars from the city over 22 years before her scheme was discovered. So yes, in the labyrinth AKA the federal government with its millions of quazi-workers, I think Musk and his aides can find a trillion dollars worth of waste and fraud.
What are his qualifications or authority to do so?
He runs multiple quite large companies and has cut costs there extensively.
Yeah Shitter is a real beacon of business wisdom and not being a Nazi cesspool.
Was there some sort of point in that rant? You know you're in for 4 years of this, don't you, slimy pile of shit?
But keep the tears coming, loser. They're satisfying.
Fuck you're a meathead.
The world's richest man. Own's the most successful rocket and EV companies in the world. Started Paypal, started ChatGPT, owns the world's most advanced tunneling machines, has a company creating the world's most advanced brain/chip interface, is making incredibly advanced androids, owns Grok, liberated Twitter from the Nazis, etc. but you're so assmad he's helping stop your boss's USAID grift, you'll say stupid shit like that.
The world’s supposed richest man owes all of his wealth to the US federal government. Libertarian extraordinaire im sure.
Does a MAGA want to explain how this is competent and not waste?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/usaid-inspector-fired-trump-freeze-b2696917.html
Given that the IG missed all of the crap found by Musk shows that the IG was an incompetent fool.
Yes, he lied. The food was never at risk of spoilage.
Unless there is legislation to actually cut our taxes, cutting government employees like a rabid hyena only makes people poorer. Do people actually think that cutting a program’s budget shows up as a debit on your tax liability? Does that weird goth lesbian think that?
Of course tax cuts are the only policy Republicans are known to have achieved or wanted in generations, so I’m sure they can accomplish that.
And what is their proposal? Lower income taxes and higher sales taxes. They might as well just back their truck up to our asses and heist them. What are we gonna do, enforce any laws?
"Unless there is legislation to actually cut our taxes, cutting government employees like a rabid hyena only makes people poorer..."
More bullshit from the lefty bullshiter.
Fuck off, slaver.
"Do people actually think that cutting a program’s budget shows up as a debit on your tax liability?"
The massive overspending is a leading driver for inflation. So, yes, it'd be cheaper to turf all of them.
Why not ask "Why are we funding this bullshit in the first place?"
Because legislators appropriated for them for social purposes. I realize how tempting it must be to have a fat orange dictator enact your ridiculous libertarian minimalist government, but you people couldn’t even handle expensive eggs, so I’m just pissed I have to wait for all of you to be eating from a dumpster before you understand that civilization is actually not a bunch of wasted effort.
We have a central bank to tweak the money supply to deal with prices. You are arguing without realizing it that you think the big problem in this country is that you have too much money and you want a fat orange asshole and his lesbian friend to steal it from you without so much as a howdy do to Congress.
That's a whole lot of bullshit packed into two paragraphs, slimy pile of TDS-addled lying lefty shit.
Why not ask "Why are we funding this bullshit in the first place?"
The answer is Congress. It's great when your Congress critters bring home the bacon. It's the ones from the other states who suck. Why won't they get rid of them?
Congress has nothing to do with the funding of executive departments, moron.
As I said, willful and deliberate ignorance of civics is crucial for being effective at politics, and you are effective at politics.
Congress has nothing to do with the funding of executive departments, moron.
Uhhmmmmm......
You stupid Trump defending dick-faces are making me agree with fucking Tony! Stop being so fucking stupid!
You do that all on your own. Tony's points are both purposefully dishonest and slightly dumb.
You're either agreeing with him because you're so bloody-minded that you don't want to agree with "stupid Trump defending dick-faces" even if they are right, or you're dumb enough to think Tony is being honest.
Nothing Tony has asserted here has been correct. If you’re agreeing with him, you need some serious self-evaluation.
Yeah. Trump promising not to touch "security for socialists" was definitely a mistake.
Elon Musk CUTTING other UN-Constitutional government isn't.
The narrative has been set:
We can create fiscal solvency by attacking 'waste, fraud and abuse' alone. That means we don't need to make hard choices about Social Security and Medicare. That means that we can have our cake and eat it too. And it means, just coincidentally, that Trump is the hero yet again when he said that we don't need to touch entitlements.
And if you disagree with this narrative, it only means that you are in favor of 'waste, fraud and abuse'. You're probably one of the fraudsters yourself living off of the graft from the taxpayers.
That means we don't need to make hard choices about Social Security and Medicare. That means that we can have our cake and eat it too.
Nice straw man you've got there.
I have long advocated for an audit of the entire government. Does it matter? The Pentagon cannot account for over a trillion dollars.
The DOGE director wildly exaggerates what can be accomplished by tackling "waste, fraud, and abuse" in government spending without new legislation.
Who cares?
If he can tackle "waste, fraud, and abuse" at all without new legislation, SHOULDN'T HE?
Imagine having your head so far up your own ass that you seriously claim that it's "implausible" that 15% of the spending by one of if not the most bloated federal bureaucracies on the planet could possibly be trimmed without eliminating essential government functions.
Given what Musk has uncovered in less than a week, I think he is definitely onto something.
Proof positive that Sullum suffers from TDS: he can't bring himself to say ANYTHING positive about Trump - even when he's clearly doing some good things. Trump could save humanity and Sullum would still be griping about him.
Reason's December, 2024 magazine cover stated "Abolish Everything." The magazine listed many government agencies that should be abolished. Wouldn't abolishing all these agencies save much more than 2 trillion dollars?
https://reason.com/issue/december-2024/