The Government Says Money Isn't Property—So It Can Take Yours
In a jaw-dropping argument, the Department of Justice claims seizing $50,000 from a small business doesn’t violate property rights because money isn’t property.

As a lawyer who sues the government, you get used to the different kinds of arguments that government lawyers use to justify abuses of individual rights—sweeping claims of government power, bad-faith procedural obstacles, and more.
This was a new one: The U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) argued that confiscating $50,000 from a small business did not infringe the business' right to private property because money is not property.
"Money is not necessarily 'property' for constitutional purposes," the government's brief declared—putting the very idea of property in scare quotes. Reading at my desk, I practically fell out of my chair.
The DOJ gave three rationales for the argument, all packed into a doorstopper of a footnote: (1) the government creates money, so you can't own it; (2) the government can tax your money, so you don't own it; and (3) the Constitution allows the government to spend money for the "general welfare."
If a libertarian was asked to write a satire of a government lawyer's brief, this is what they might come up with. But here it was, in black and white.
Whose money, specifically, was the government saying wasn't property? That of Chuck Saine, the owner of C.S. Lawn & Landscaping, a small landscaping business outside Annapolis, Maryland, which he has operated for over 40 years.
Saine became a client of the Institute for Justice (I.J.), a public interest law firm, when the federal government sought to impose over $50,000 in liability on his business through a "trial" held deep inside the bowels of a federal administrative agency. At said trial, both the prosecutor and the judge were employed by the same federal agency.
I.J. sued, arguing that before the government can impose that kind of liability, it has to provide a real trial before a real judge and jury. The specifics of what the government claims Saine did wrong (in short: arcane labor law) are beside the point. If the government wants to confiscate over $50,000 from your business, you must have the chance to argue your defense to an impartial judge and jury—not an agency bureaucrat.
Now, the DOJ argued that Saine has no right to a real judge and jury because the government was only trying to take his money, not his property. They claimed that fiat currency is a legal fiction that the government can as easily destroy as create. Lest anyone miss the implicit connection to the history of the gold standard, DOJ's footnote prominently cited the Legal Tender Cases—where the Supreme Court upheld laws forcing people to accept paper currency, rather than gold and silver, as payment for debts.
This was an argument for taking Saine's $50,000 without a trial before a real judge and jury, but the same argument could be used to justify all manner of mischief. If your money is not your property, what is to stop the government from just seizing all of it tomorrow—for any reason it gives?
Before you run out and trade your USD for meme coins, let me reassure you: DOJ's argument is wrong. The Due Process Clause applies to "life, liberty, or property," and the Supreme Court has repeatedly applied that Clause to money. It follows that, since money is neither life nor liberty, it must be property.
To be sure, DOJ's arguments have force as a philosophical critique of government, taxation, and the monetary system. They may also highlight legitimate reasons to hold part of your wealth in gold or (for some) cryptocurrency. But "for constitutional purposes," to borrow a phrase from the DOJ, the arguments are a flop.
A federal court will soon decide whether to uphold Saine's right to a trial before an impartial judge and jury. Hopefully, the court will agree: Money is property, and an agency bureaucrat is not an impartial judge.
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"putting the very idea of property in square quotes"
"square" quotes are very scary.
At reason, everyone's an editor, but no one does any editing.
Rob Johnson is a senior attorney at the Institute for Justice.
I'm not sure if that's better, or worse.
The Institute for Justice is a far superior organization than Reason and Cato.
The Institute for Justice is mighty fine, agreed... I send them money from time to time...
However, if Reason and Cato suck hind titty, PLEASE remove yourself from commenting HERE, and move over to THERE, pronto! Don't let the door hit Your Precious Hind End on the way out!!! (In a Bad WAY, I mean! If getting hit on Your Precious Hind End is Your "Thang", then who am I to judge?)
Being a long time supporter of Reason Foundation and Cato Institute, and planning to bring IJ into the fold in my next cycle, I'd say you're off base.
These three organizations do very different work with Cato being the old-guard academics, Reason providing more engaging and lighter fare to the masses, and IJ doing down and dirty work of specific case support.
I'd invite all here to open their wallets and put their money where their keyboards are.
Doubt youre long time at CATO or you'd know about their shift around a decade ago, ironically shortly after inviting Soros to speak.
Late 90's, IIRC, during the reign of Crane.
I get that, but couldn't they have on of the (many) editors who work for reason do some editing? Maybe Johnson typed out the article on his phone; damned autocorrect.
"have on of" Oops. :<)
And just how deep are their bowls.
held deep inside the bowls of a federal administrative agency
"square" quotes are very scary... And scare quotes are entirely too square! Shit is SNOT hip to be square!!!
(The Universe has a certain symmetry to shit!)
They must keep those square quotes in the bowls of government buildings.
What is tragic is that the decision was not more widely published AND that said arguement by the government DID NOT start a run on banks, or foreign speculators to start dumping massive amounts of American cash (which would result in massive inflation).
The government seems to think it can get away without any consequences. It appares they may.
"At said trial, both the prosecutor and the judge were employed by the same federal agency."
Same thing is wrong when it's the same government, not just agency.
(I'm not picking on IJ, I think you guys do great work, and I think I have an auto donation set up.)
I get your point, but "real" federal judges have life tenure and administrative judges do not. Perhaps that makes it worse when it's an administrative judge; they have to worry about getting removed if the President doesn't like how they rule. ("Real" judges can be removed too but it takes impeachment, which is more difficult.)
"Government" is what we do to fuck people over.
There was a different case where some state said property was defined by the government, so the government could take any property it wanted just by changing the definition. Or something like that.
The moral is clear — government sucks.
"(1) the government creates money, so you can't own it; (2) the government can tax your money, so you don't own it; and (3) the Constitution allows the government to spend money for the "general welfare."
That undermines the idea that greenback cash has any value whatsoever, if you do not own it. Do they want people to put their liquid wealth in things like Bitcoin or gold?
Seriously, this may be the most stupidly evil rationalization for government theft, just on the utilitarian consequences of saying that physical dollars are, in fact, worthless on the government's whim.
You are required to register the purchase of your home and lot with the government. The government taxes the value of your home and lot. The government can take your home and lot for a new commercial enterprise and/or parking lot and only has to give you some money that it printed in exchange. That undermines the idea that your real property is really your property too!
This is why, at least in principle, I am an anarchist. A government that claims the power to collect tax on your income and property and to seize your property or income if you don't pay, and which further claims the power to imprison or execute you effectively owns you if you accept those powers as legitimate.
There is at least one alternative to accepting those powers or anarchy: limiting the power of government, making it a servant of The People and making taxation a form of subscription - opting into the system as long as the government remains limited to the functions you subscribed to and contracted for with the other People.
If the relationship to the government in that scenario is completely voluntary, then I might call that an anarchist system. But I suppose there are other names that fit.
I always liked the "government by subscription" idea. However, one should have at least as many choices for which government to subscribe to as there are magazines. At a minimum, I would expect to choose what state I reside in (state portability like we have phone number portability), plus the ability to create new virtual states with enough subscribers.
That doesn't work.
Let's say you reside in a virtual state where car theft is a crime, and some other guy resides in a virtual state where that's not a crime. He steals your car. Either he can be arrested and his virtual state is essentially worthless, or he can't be and yours is.
The fire department can't just let a few blocks of houses burn if those people elected to not get a government with fire protection. I suppose we *could* just let a bunch of kids not learn to read because their parents can't afford a "state" with schools, but society would get much worse in a few years.
Forget any state regulation of businesses; they'd just choose to be a "resident" of a state where any troublesome regulation doesn't exist. Forget welfare; if people can get benefits by changing a virtual residency and don't even have to move, the implications are obvious. If I'm a virtual resident of Alaska but live in Florida, maybe I'm voting to cut all snowplowing services; I'm not there anyway so why would I want to waste my tax money on that?
Sure it does, and there are easy fixes to those problems.
If someone commits a crime or a tort against another person, the crime or tort would be adjudicated in the jurisdiction of the victim. No victim, no crime.
Set some minimum membership requirement for a new virtual government, such as 1 million subscribers, and they are unlikely to legalize things like theft and assault. And such crimes would only be legal against other members of the same government, so what would be the incentive?
As for natural geographic monopolies like fire protection or trash collection or electricity distribution, allow residents on the boundaries of adjacent districts/companies to choose which option to use. Good, efficient operations with high level service and reasonable prices would expand, while ripoff artists would see their territory shrink.
There are, at least theoretically, limiting principles in those cases. This argument does not seem to have one.
Technically the currency is a debt instrument not an asset so when the government grabs it they're paying off your debt.
Technically a debt instrument is an asset.
It's the government's debt instrument, so when they grab it, they're paying off their own debt.
Federal Reserve Notes only have value because you can pay your taxes with them. Prove me wrong.
Once a government collapses, the value of its currency drops to nothing (or some minimal value as a collectible.)
Meh, nothing wrong with an unconstitutional tax or so I'm told here. No reason to stop this.
/ sarc
Fucking thieving federal bastards.
and how much money will be wasted fighting this corruption. of course i believe the government takes that into account since they realize they have unlimited monies while we the money payers do not
IJ doing the lords work handling cases pro bono. They're are a worthy organization to support if you have anything left after Uncle Sam pockets his "fair share".
Agreed. They handle so many tough cases for the “nobodies” that routinely get screwed over because they aren’t rich or famous. They deserve nothing but praise (and a donation or two from those of us who can afford it!).
These are the kind of people I think I should be allowed to redefine as clumps of cells.
You have my permission.
Money isn't property?
Tell that to the IRS.
If money isn't property, gov't employees aren't humans.
Two can play this game.
Please tell us the names of the DOJ attorneys who signed their names to that argument. Are they subject to rule 11 sanctions for raising frivolous arguments that are clearly contrary to law?
No, that only applies to attorneys representing Republican officials when questioning the vote counts.
>what is to stop the government from just seizing all of it tomorrow—for any reason it gives?
Central bank interest rate setting and currency issue? Inflation? Negative interest rates?
It's called a "bail-in". See Cypress.
Unpopular to say here, but it's true.
Currency is indeed the property of the state.
Value isn't, but this might be a good test to separate the two.
"Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's?" Excuse me while I go wash my hands ...
And these same morons are surprised that a majority of the electorate voted for Trump, that Trump is now cleaning-out the DOJ, and that Americans generally are pretty happy about that.
A majority of the electorate DID NOT vote for Trump. The electorate is the body of people eligible to vote. In the 2024 presidential election, less than 2/3 of the electorate voted. https://www.cfr.org/article/2024-election-numbers. Of that 2/3, less than half voted for Trump. His share of the popular vote was just 49.8%, so a MAJORITY of the actual voters voted against Trump.
Let's stop this nonsense of legitimizing the claim that "America" elected Trump.
In many circles, all those who failed to vote are presumed to be in support of whomever won or just couldn't decide which was the lesser of two evils.
If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.
Instead, how about if the majority of the electorate fails to vote, the office remains empty? If we want to make things exciting, we could eliminate voting for the VP and just make the highest vote getters president and vp and also issue them dueling pistols.
While that definition of "electorate" is technically correct, there is a compelling argument that if you are eligible to vote but choose not to do so, you have opted yourself out of the electorate.
You have a stronger point that Trump merely achieved a plurality of votes among those who actually voted but that has been true of many elections and misses Winston's point that Trump's win was a shock to Washington insiders and they are now inexplicably shocked that he's doing what he campaigned on.
What ever helps your TDS addled mind sleep at night.
"Reading at my desk, I practically fell out of my chair."
It wouldn't be very practical to fall out of your chair in this context. Maybe you Constitutionally fell out of your chair? Or maybe you almost fell out of your chair?
the government creates money, so you can't own it sounds like some sophomoric thesis proposition by someone who believes in, but doesn't understand, modern monetary theory.
It's BS either way, but trying it in a court of law is pretty much the depths of chutzpa.
Right? Next they’ll claim floods don’t cause water damage because it’s the force that smashed the house.
Paging President Trump: you've got some muck remaining in the swamp. I think you need to make sure the ditch gets dug a bit deeper so that the draining can continue.
So we can expect the DoJ to drop its position then.
We can hope.
[Gov-Guns] [Armed THEFT] [ ] parentheses!
Jeez, of all the articles…..
"Argue and say anything to try to win the case on behalf of your client" should not apply to government lawyers. That includes local prosecutors.
"Our" lawyers, lawyers for the public and the government, should be held to higher standards than ambulance chasers.
So then everyone charged with/convicted of stealing money should be released.
So was this businesses tax bill $50,000?
Seems the DOJ claims are missing a key element to their case.
Lest anyone miss the implicit connection to the history of the gold standard, DOJ's footnote prominently cited the Legal Tender Cases—where the Supreme Court upheld *laws forcing people to accept paper currency*, rather than gold and silver, as payment for debts.
^And there is the roots of the problem.
"It follows that, since money is neither life nor liberty, it must be property." Not to politicians. Money IS Life in their eyes.
Luckily, the government can't take life without due process either.
For those who are not administrative lawyers or judges: intra-agency review is standard practice. Yes, citizens have a right to real judicial review after exhausting administrative remedies, but without expert representation they will almost surely mess up the procedural sequence. Clearly that is what's at issue here. Moral: get counsel IMMEDIATELY after getting notice of adverse ruling -- or even at the first inkling of official involvement. Have your attorney enter an appearance and demand notice of ALL actions taken or scheduled. Warning: sufficient notice will be something less than service of process in judicial proceedings. Meaning, the sheriff needn't tag you in order for you to be "it." You may be held to have "constructive notice" in several ways. If you stand to lose more than the cost of a lawyer (for lawyers, administrative practice of this sort is easy work), you'd be a fool not to. And of course there's IFJ if your case happens to fit their specs.
We should take these bureaucrats money and see how much they like it.
I often think that America's decline began when it outlawed dueling and replaced it with lawyering.
I money isn't property, why is bank robbery a federal crime?
Trespassing would explain.
And as for money not being property, you could call it a "legal equity." It might not bring grandma back to life after police raid the wrong home for cannabis, but it has been used to provide legal equity when government commits wrongful action.
Somewhere a clause about "not taking anything from anyone without proper compensation in return" comes to mind. Thus it need not be life, liberty, nor property for equity to exist.
As for money not being liberty, you have got to be kidding. Although if you accept the government's argument that money is not property, you probably accept that money is not a liberty, too. Yes, money is not liberty itself, of course.
Someone call Trump and tell him his money really belongs to the government, and see how many DOJ lawyers are out of a job on Monday.
Rulings, laws do NOT apply to "the powers that shouldn't be".
That is why Trump would just laugh at the messenger. Do you vote in support of this form of authoritarianism? This use of the initiation of deadly threat, fraud? Why? Because you were told in govt. school this is "order" and lack of coercive law is the same as no laws at all?
Coercive govt. is "law & chaos".
In full support of DOJ and the current Administration cancelling this argument because it is, in fact, a ridiculous argument. I did not come close to falling out of my chair when I read it, however.
Can't help but wonder, given the complete lack of mention of which Administration or when this was filed by the DOJ (Hint: It was the Biden DOJ in December 2024) if the author would have been quite so circumspect if it had been the Trump DOJ filing this position.
Once again, the judicial branch ruled in favor of the executive branch, despite the injustice it displays.
Why do "We the People" allow it? We are supposed to be the final judge, those in charge of ourselves, our rights. We created the constitution for ourselves, our benefit, NOT for the authorities to exploit us. So, why do we let govt. abuse us, our rights? WHY?
...because they promise to go STEAL Mr. Jones pony for us?
I always considered money an asset. It has legs and can be used to expand etc. AKA property.
I've seen the government's claim that money isn't property before, many years ago. Such arguments remind me of something Orwell wrote. Also of Lewis Carroll ("When I use a word, ... it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less.")
Remind me if I forget but I say SCOTUS will overturn that with a fiery blazing opinion. It is stupid to common sense and you would not say "we can do X because it is not Y" unless you knew that is what the action suggests to most anyone !!!!
DOJ is overflowing wifh folly
I date it to that most ludicrous man Eric Holder. I remember he came to Ferguson MO ( I was living in nearby St Louis) thinks were getting better. He came and it got thermonuclear and racist and hateful.
If all money is owned by the government at all times, that means most contracts would be invalid unless they provide for some sort of barter; since the government is retaining all rights to any money, paying someone provides no consideration.