So…Is TikTok Really Getting Banned?
The Supreme Court appears poised to uphold a ban on the app, but many creators aren't so sure.

With a likely ban on the short-video app TikTok looming, creators seem split between denial and pure panic.
"Fascist countries ban apps. Fascist countries ban websites. Fascist countries ban apps and websites under the guise of threats to national security," said one popular creator in a video with more than 11 million views. "When every other country knows it's about suppressing the free speech of its citizens."
"We are literally not going to lose TikTok because it's either going to be pushed back, or it's going to be accepted as not banned because of that hearing," said another creator earlier this week. "Obviously it's scary, and I'm a little freaked out about it too, but realistically, I do not think it's going to be banned at all.
TikTok, owned by Chinese startup ByteDance, has long been the source of controversy and banning attempts. The extremely popular app has been cited as sparking everything from eating disorders to Hamas sympathies among users, especially young people. However, the most recent move to ban the app has largely been justified by national security concerns tied to TikTok's Chinese ownership.
In April, President Joe Biden signed the Protecting Americans from Foreign Adversary Controlled Applications Act, requiring ByteDance to either sell the app or face a ban. The ban would directly punish app carriers like Apple and Google, as well as internet carriers. According to The New York Times, if the ban goes into effect, TikTok would probably not be removed from users' phones. Instead, with app stores barred from updating or distributing the app, TikTok "would probably degrade over time, slowly becoming unusable."
TikTok has so far faced defeat in its attempts to fight the sell-or-ban law, arguing that it has a First Amendment right to curate content as it wishes. On Friday, the Supreme Court heard arguments over the ban and is widely expected to uphold the law, forcing TikTok to either be sold or banned in the U.S.
"Never before has Congress taken the extraordinary step of effectively banning a platform for communication, let alone one used by half the country," the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression (FIRE), a First Amendment advocacy group, wrote in a December press release following an earlier legal defeat for the app. "The First Amendment requires an explanation of why such a dramatic restriction of the right to speak and receive information is necessary and compelling evidence to support it. The government failed to provide either."
With no relief in sight—other than some nebulous claims from President-elect Donald Trump to intervene and stop the ban—some TikTok users have moved to RedNote, an app similar to TikTok and also owned by a Chinese company. The app's Chinese name, Xiaohongshu, translates to "Little Red Book," referencing the infamous collection of sayings by Chinese Communist dictator Mao Zedong.
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TikTok has so far faced defeat in its attempts to fight the sell-or-ban law, arguing that it has a First Amendment right to curate content as it wishes.
Wait, not a section 230 right to curate content as it wishes? Huh, I guess I have been reading section 230 correctly then.
"The First Amendment requires an explanation of why such a dramatic restriction of the right to speak and receive information is necessary and compelling evidence to support it. The government failed to provide either."
Wow, no one, but no one seems to be invoking the First Amendment of the Internet.
Calling a change in ownership requirement, at market rates, a ban is wildly dishonest but also totally expected from modern journalists.
Big fan of eminent domain, are you?
Any government threat which compels you to sell something is a violation of your rights, and if the thing is a tool of expression, I see no reason not to frame it as a First Amendment issue.
Why do you want Chinese communists to take over the country? Because that's what will happen if TikTok isn't banned.
Banning TikTok is a based on a completely moronic lie. The real reason that so many politicians wan to ban TikTok is because it allows discussions about the war in Gaza that cast Israel in a bad light.
Either you are for freedom of speech or you are not. Fabricating a lie to hide the real reason is disgusting.
Banning TikTok is a based on a completely moronic lie. The real reason that so many politicians wan to ban TikTok is because it allows discussions about the war in Gaza that cast Israel in a bad light.
Unfortunately this would require one believe that all the American-based social media companies are doing the bidding of the Biden Admin and Deep State.
Nope.
No tic toc is a ccp psyop. It should be banned. Go look at what's happening to Al the idiots that are moving over to the Chinese version
>>said one popular creator in a video with more than 11 million views.
views carries little authority to most people
"Content Creators" and "Influencers" : Lost souls looking for someone to tell them they are important.
bit of a shame
"...owned by Chinese startup ByteDance..."
Bytedance has been around for well over a decade and has revenue of about $120 billion. I think the time might have passed for calling it a "startup."
It has the full backing of the ccp. It was never a startup
The Chinese Communists aren't subtle at all, are they?
some TikTok users have moved to RedNote, an app similar to TikTok and also owned by a Chinese company. The app's Chinese name, Xiaohongshu, translates to "Little Red Book," referencing the infamous collection of sayings by Chinese Communist dictator Mao Zedong
Meh, just an unintended consequence of Biden's noble censoring of apps. I'm sure all the rest of the consequences of this law will be good and exactly as intended and won't drive users to even more dangerous apps or find less secure ways to use the app.
We banned morphine and we got heroin and eventually fentanyl
We banned TikTok and we got Little Red RedNote.
No chance that this will set a precedent for banning other apps. Oh, but they will need to ban RedNote and whatever app users try to go to next and so on.
There's not a single China-based company that doesn't operate without explicit approval of the CCP or comply with its requests. Just ask Jack Ma what happens when the Xi regime no longer finds you useful.
TikTok isn't being banned and it's not being muzzled. Find new owners that don't include the CCP and it continues forward.
If TikTok users wanted it to continue, why didn't they band together and buy it? Surely there's some smart user who could have made that happen.
TikTok didn't exist 10 years ago and we got along just fine without it. TikTok, X, Facebook, Youtube etc. all work on the basic premise that the average user wants to have someone see their content without being a hypertext guru. These things are fungible and to say that banning TikTok in the US is attacking freedom of speech doesn't follow. If TikTok is banned, most of the (useless, vapid, crappy, selfcentered) content will just go someplace else. But giving the PLA a camera to surveil us makes zero sense. They can sell it, or we can ban it. Enough already!
From the CEO's testimony in Congress:
https://techcrunch.com/2023/03/23/tiktok-ceo-says-it-wasnt-spying-when-bytedance-employees-surveilled-journalists/
.@DrNealDunnFL2: "Has ByteDance spied on American citizens?"
TikTok CEO Shou Zi Chew: "I don't think that spying is the right way to describe it."
That was the moment.
President Joe Biden signed the Protecting Americans from Foreign Adversary Controlled Applications Act.
Hypothesis: When Republicans agree with Democrats there is a 99.9% chance it's the WRONG move for Republicans and they are acting like RINO'S *not* Constitutional Patriots.
Another app that TikTokers are moving onto is Lemon8...also owned by ByteDance.
This is a problem with bills of attainder (BTW, why wasn't the law challenged on that ground?) Stopping one actor from doing something you think is wrong does nothing to stop anyone else from doing that same thing.