Yes, Mark Zuckerberg, You Can Shout 'Fire' in a Crowded Theater
Anyone discussing free speech should at least try to get this right.

Mark Zuckerberg has joined a dubious list of prominent Americans—including judges, members of Congress, and even a vice presidential nominee—who believe that you can't yell "fire" in a crowded theater. In an interview with Joe Rogan last week, the Meta CEO attempted to justify the company's pandemic-era censorship policies by arguing that "even people who are like the most ardent First Amendment defenders" know that there is a limit to free speech.
"At the beginning, [COVID-19 was] a legitimate public health crisis," Zuckerberg told Rogan. "The Supreme Court has this clear precedent: It's like, all right, you can't yell 'fire' in a crowded theater. There are times when if there's an emergency, your ability to speak can temporarily be curtailed in order to get an emergency under control. I was sympathetic to that at the beginning of COVID."
The thing is, Zuckerberg is simply wrong when it comes to how the First Amendment works.
The common misconception that it's illegal to shout "fire" in a crowded theater originates with a hypothetical used by Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes in the 1919 Supreme Court case Schenck v. United States.
In his opinion, Holmes wrote that "the character of every act depends upon the circumstances in which it is done," adding that "the most stringent protection of free speech would not protect a man in falsely shouting fire in a theatre and causing a panic." Not only was this passage a pure hypothetical used to illustrate Holmes' larger opinion that the First Amendment didn't protect the dissemination of anti-draft pamphlets, but Schenck itself was overturned in 1969 by Brandenburg v. Ohio.
"To the contrary, if the theater is on fire, you not only may shout 'FIRE,' but indeed, you should do so! The constant misstatement of this famous line from a 1919 Supreme Court decision is significant, because it overlooks the critical, common-sense distinction between protected and unprotected speech," former American Civil Liberties Union President Nadine Strossen said in 2021. "This old canard, a favorite reference of censorship apologists, needs to be retired. It's repeatedly and inappropriately used to justify speech limitations. People have been using this cliché as if it had some legal meaning, while First Amendment lawyers roll their eyes"
Zuckerberg's interview came in the wake of a January 7 announcement that Meta platforms would no longer use third-party fact-checkers to label and restrict content, as well as loosen restrictions on some subjects "that are part of mainstream discourse."
"After [Donald] Trump first got elected in 2016, the legacy media wrote nonstop about how misinformation was a threat to democracy," Zuckerberg said in a video announcing the change. "We tried in good faith to address those concerns without becoming the arbiters of truth. But the fact-checkers have just been too politically biased and have destroyed more trust than they've created, especially in the U.S."
While this change is a welcome shift from Meta's previous content-moderation regime, that Zuckerberg is still getting this basic element of the First Amendment wrong hardly bodes well for Meta's future as a platform friendly to free expression.
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"There are times when if there's an emergency, your ability to speak can temporarily be curtailed in order to get an emergency under control."
Whatever else Zuckerberg got wrong, this is the most important error in the article. There is no evidence whatsoever that speech - even false or erroneous speech - has ever or COULD ever prevent getting any kind of emergency under control, or that even if it COULD prevent authorities from getting an emergency under control, that the emergency would justify violating anyone's first amendment rights.
Can I (falsely) shout "Achtung, Baby! Here cum the Demon-Crap cops!" at a crowded orgy at a convention of "Team R" buck-toothed kiddie rapers, such ass Sevo the Pedo, Hippo in a Speedo?
So really now, can we MAYBE cuntsider saying that SOME things are WRONG and IMMORAL, without ALWAYS invoking Government Almighty? Ya know, when all "GOOD" things are MANDATED and all "BAD" things are outlawed... We will have ZERO personal freedom left! NO freedom left, whether ye are of the left OR of the right, ye will have NO rights left, or left rights!
Here come the bastards...
This is better
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4P14KKcKF4
The people you describe are "Team FAR LEFT".
That said, the first amendment prohibits making flat out libel a crime. On the other hand, it does nothing to prevent CIVIL liability for libel. It also does nothing to prevent civil liability for the predictable stampede resulting from falsely shooting fire in a crowd.
Twat is the difference between falsely shooting fire in a crowd, and accurately or truly shooting fire in a crowd? WHERE should the fire be shot at, and WHO should decide?
Shit seems to me that if we got Government Almighty OUT of these questions, and prohibited Marxist Government Almighty ownershit of movie (and other) theaters... Then the OWNERS AND-OR MANAGERS of said theaters could dis-invite the shooters of wrongly-shot fires, and the shooters of booger beams, and udder impolite guests, and show them on their way! PRIVATE OWNERSHIT RIGHTS gets Marxist Government Almighty (and silly and-or pretentious, self-aggrandizing "rights") OUT of the way here!!!
Can you shout “theater” in a crowded fire?
Grauman's!
Joan of Arc unavailable for comment.
historical record is she shouted "theatre!"
Yes, but only once.
No, Mark Zuckerberg, I'm not buying your "hello my fellow kids" transformation.
But he's so like the most ardent First Amendment defenders.
Give me liberty or, you know, like something close!
I reserve judgement on his conversion.
I maintain that allowing free speech on his platforms is good, regardless of motive.
This nitpicking on forgetting the "falsely" and "causing a panic" is stupid, boring, and as useless as tits on a trannie. There's not a single person in the world dumb enough to watch a fire in a theater and think "Self, says I to myself, best not tell anyone, because warning of an actual fire might rotate Holmes in his grave."
You might as well add "using a 200 dB bullhorn" or "detonating a tactical nuke" to the list of things we mustn't do if we spot a fire in a theater.
Yes. Falsely.
OWH: "falsely shouting fire in a theatre and causing a panic."
Nadine Strossen: "To the contrary, if the theater is on fire, you not only may shout 'FIRE,' but indeed, you should do so!"
Do you think she realized she wasn't contradicting Holmes at all? That both her statement and his statement could be true at the same time?
Speaking of 'fire', just saw a headline in my local rag: "Republicans want to put conditions on CA Wildfire aid"
Thank fucking God finally someone doesn't just want to Bukkake California with my money before knowing where it's going to land.
Don't you trust Newsom and friends?
Here ya go!
https://oddstuffmagazine.com/funny-pictures-january-14-2025.html/thanks-wish
So then is THIS how the BIG pancakes make little pancakes?
Bukkake *with* your money or *of* your money?
Toddler level reasoning.
totes adorbs with the following in lockstep.
Just came up with this, and everyone is free to borrow it:
Mark Zuckerberg: The Yassir Arafat of Free Speech.
I listened to the entire interview, I encourage people to do so as it is quite good, and knew exactly what he was trying to say in the context of the entire conversation. It wasn't just about the fire thing which we all know is used incorrectly all of the time, it was far broader.
It's still false and he's still wrong. And he still doesn't understand free speech or the few, clearly-defined exceptions.
Did the author stop to read his own words? The judge said a person can't FALSELY yell "fire" in a crowded theater, causing panic, etc.
Yet the author says the judge is wrong citing the example that it's ok to yell "fire" when there actually IS a fire?
WTF kind of reasoning is that?
And BTW, incitement to violence IS A CRIME as well.
I am not a lawyer, and definitely not a constitutional one. But I'm rolling my eyes at this dumb article that Reason keeps publishing.
Reason seems to have an obsession with with saying that there is no restriction against yelling Fire in a crowded theater, falsely or not. Even if there is no law specifically against it, it's a good bet that if anyone did it, he or she would face charges for something. Disturbing the peace? Reckless endangerment? Child endangerment?