Mark Zuckerberg Was Right To Fire Facebook's Rogue Fact-Checkers
"The fact-checkers have just been too politically biased," says the Meta CEO.

A new era is dawning at Meta. CEO Mark Zuckerberg announced on Tuesday that third-party fact-checking organizations would no longer have the power to suppress disfavored speech on Facebook—a major, positive step toward restoring free expression and robust debate on the platform.
In his video announcing the changes, Zuckerberg conceded that moderators working at his social media properties—Facebook and Instagram—felt pressured after Donald Trump's 2016 win to address mainstream media concerns about the spread of alleged misinformation online. He now believes that their efforts to fix this supposed issue caused more problems than they solved.
"After Trump first got elected in 2016, the legacy media wrote nonstop about how misinformation was a threat to democracy," said Zuckerberg. "We tried in good faith to address those concerns without becoming the arbiters of truth, but the fact-checkers have just been too politically biased and have destroyed more trust than they've created, especially in the US."
Here is the full video from Mark Zuckerberg announcing the end of censorship and misinformation policies.
I highly recommend you watch all of it as tonally it is one of the biggest indications of "elections have consequences" I have ever seen pic.twitter.com/aYpkxrTqWe
— Saagar Enjeti (@esaagar) January 7, 2025
Zuckerberg also detailed plans to scrap the platforms' de-prioritization of political topics and rein in automatic filters, a category of moderation that he says is prone to error.
"It means we're going to catch less bad stuff, but we'll also reduce the number of innocent people's posts and accounts that we accidentally take down," he said.
These changes are wildly positive. It's also heartening that Zuckerberg seems to understand precisely what had gone wrong, and why: The company made attempts to satisfy both mainstream media institutions and even government agencies, particularly when it came to controversial political topics like COVID-19. What moderators soon discovered is that this is impossible; there is no end to the amount of speech suppression that is desired by censorship-inclined entities. Politicians in both parties dragged Zuckerberg before the U.S. Congress to answer for a vast array of alleged sins—the end of democracy, the abuse of children, tensions with Russia, and more.
What unites legacy media institutions with politically motivated speech hunters in government is growing frustration over their own loss of control with respect to guardrails of acceptable speech. Thanks to social media, these guardrails scarcely exist; by inveighing constantly against Facebook, the old guard hoped to re-install them. This was the theme of my 2021 book, Tech Panic: Why We Shouldn't Fear Facebook and the Future, which attempted to shed light on how bad-faith arguments against the company were providing cover for greater censorship and regulation.
At the time, it was a somewhat controversial thesis; even the political right was interested in aggressively regulating Big Tech or breaking up the companies entirely. Four years later, thanks to exposes like Matt Taibbi's Twitter Files and my own Facebook Files, the public is more aware of the role that explicit government pressure played in enacting the regime of censorship.
This does not mean that tech executives were blameless with respect to the moderation decisions that ensued, but it should mean that public ire is better directed at government bureaucrats who represented the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), the FBI, the Department of Homeland Security, and the White House.
Needless to say, the third-party fact-checking organizations that will lose their clout as a result of Zuckerberg's proposed changes are none too pleased. In a New York Times article about the news—with a characteristically snarky headline "Meta Says Fact-Checkers Were the Problem. Fact-Checkers Rule That False."—the Poynter Institute, one of Facebook's official fact-checking organs, protests that Meta and Meta alone had the power to take down content. This is technically true, but the fact-checkers knew exactly what the deal was; Facebook gave them official status as approved verifiers of information and explicitly stated that moderators would remove content consistent with the verifiers' recommendations.
Said recommendations were frequently misguided. In December 2021, a fact-checker called Science Feedback flagged something I had written for Reason as "false information." As a result, the article's image was blurred and its distribution was presumably impacted. As Science Feedback later conceded, their fact-check was erroneous—my article was not. The decision was eventually reversed; TV host John Stossel had a similar experience.
It is reassuring to hear Zuckerberg acknowledge issues with this form of fact-checking; the CEO said he plans to launch a new system in line with X's Community Notes, a crowd-sourced form of verification that allows all users to weigh-in, more closely mirroring the Wikipedia approach. Even The Times begrudgingly admits that "researchers have found the program can be effective when paired with other moderation strategies."
In Zuckerberg's video, he concluded by noting that the First Amendment's protections for free speech have enabled the U.S. tech sector to thrive. Contrast that with much of the rest of the world.
"Europe has an ever-increasing number of laws, institutionalizing censorship, and making it difficult to build anything innovative there," he said. "Latin American countries have secret courts that can order companies to quietly take things down. China has censored our apps from even working in the country. The only way that we can push back on this global trend is with the support of the US government, and that's why it's been so difficult over the past four years when even the US government has pushed for censorship."
This is a key admission. The U.S. is a driver of tech innovation because its government protects free speech. Said protections are imperfect, but they are stronger here than anywhere else. They are worth maintaining, and even strengthening so that the U.S. can continue to be the most prosperous and technologically advanced country in the world.
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The “Rogue fact checkers “ existed to give Facebook and google plausible deniability that they were not censoring on behalf of the government.
Nice try though Robby.
But JD Vance was wrong about that.
Do you mean the pet eating stuff, or something else?
Did you see the video from New York? Dude grabs pigeon in mid flight and heads directly to a halal restaurant.
Was it a beloved pet pigeon or a carrier pigeon?
Or a wild street pigeon?
I don't know much about halal cuisine. Is pigeon a popular menu item in halal restaurants? Or is the pigeon meat being passed off as something else?
A pigeon is a flying rat.
Seagulls, too. Although they can provide entertainment by stealing beach tourists' funnel cakes.
Feral pigeons are. Been told squab is pretty good though.
And technically Mourning Doves are not true doves but pigeons and pretty damn tasty and good sport on the wing.
Those flying rats are descendants of the Rock Dove. The very first birds humans ever domesticated for food.
It's the equivalent of seeing domesticated chickens running around in a future where people don't eat chicken anymore, and people looking at them and saying "squawking rats".
I read somewhere that feral chickens are kinda a problem in South Florida.
I hope the North American anglos don't abandon fried chicken like we did pigeons.
I think that the reason pigeon went out of popularity is because it was hard to farm them commercially in the mid-twentieth century.
I'd eat a pigeon I shot here in farm country. They're more than likely fattened up on grain (and the get rather large as a result), an urban pigeon, probably not.
"We use only locally sourced, organic products."
Especially if they’re little girls.
But not stool pigeons.
That’s a specific fetish
Did you see the video from New York? Dude grabs pigeon in mid flight and heads directly to a halal restaurant.
Link to video.
https://nypost.com/2025/01/04/us-news/nyc-halal-food-cart-worker-caught-catching-pigeon-with-bare-hands/
Good faith my ass.
He was a willing left wing propagandist, and is trying to weasel out of it.
We can have some hope that there is a genuine change. I remain skeptical of Musk as I cheer much of what he does. Once Zuckerberg has a track record of doing the opposite of what he has been doing and remains true to it when the stance is difficult, then I'll start to believe.
Sure. Hope in one and hand and shit in the other...
This is the same fucker who spent half a billion registering voters in suspiciously blue districts in swing states back in 2020. I'll go ahead and assume he is A) a Democrat and B) soulless. But I repeat myself.
It's okay to criticize fact checkers now? When did it get too obvious for you?
"We tried in good faith to address those concerns without becoming the arbiters of truth, but the fact-checkers have just been too politically biased and have destroyed more trust than they've created, especially in the US."
It wasn't in good faith. You got paid by government to use them, you hired ex IC officials who promoted them.
These changes are wildly positive. It's also heartening that Zuckerberg seems to understand precisely what had gone wrong, and why:
Does he? Or did it just become too hard to keep lying about what they were doing after Facebook files?
He’s afraid of Trump.
My thoughts exactly. He realized Trump's going to be in charge for the next 4 years, with the power to make his life miserable, so he's trying to make nice. Fuck off an die, Z. You made your bed...
CB
mirroring the Wikipedia approach
So just a different way to hide the lies?
At the time, it was a somewhat controversial thesis; even the political right was interested in aggressively regulating Big Tech or breaking up the companies entirely. Four years later, thanks to exposes like Matt Taibbi's Twitter Files and my own Facebook Files, the public is more aware of the role that explicit government pressure played in enacting the regime of censorship.
The lack of awareness in this paragraph is amazing. Most of the "regulation" you mention is stopping the censorship you deplore in the article. Nothing more. The very censorship you told people to ignore under the guise of muh private companies and build your own internet.
^^^
Nothing more
Well...there was some pesky violations of the 1st amendment, but other than that, nothing more.
Most of the "regulation" you mention is stopping the censorship you deplore in the article. Nothing more.
Slight disagreement. There was more. And, from a certain moral or ethical perspective, the more was rightly viewed as censorship.
However, to hold or observe reality from the specific perspective, you pretty much had to reject all notions of sex trafficking and consent to support the state-sponsored sexualization of K-3 schoolers in FL at the behest of a corporation HQ'ed in CA. Reject it to the point that sexual relations between adults become automatically suspect such that 30 yr. old claims of assault that are, at best. unactionable buyer's remorse and at worst completely baseless, become superficially credible.
Fortunately, most of the American public recognizes consent and/or mutual intelligence or respect for it among themselves, even if only instinctively. Realizes that adults trying to talk children into performing sexual acts isn't free speech, and that anyone even skirting the issue likely has a very fucked up conception of free speech/association (and biology) and is likely not deserving of or owed the mutual respect for peer intelligence that the 1A engenders any more than a sheepdog owes a wolf the right to speak its case for eating sheep.
This is a key admission. The U.S. is a driver of tech innovation because its government protects free speech.
Mackey would argue otherwise.
That's right. Jesse proves yet again, "no enemies to the right"
Pedo Jeff: “All I can really do is steal from the right and relabel it as a new idea, cuz I’m dumb.”
He is also pretty fucking evil. Claps like a fat seal locking up his enemies.
Jesse is only for his team, not for any principle. He'll even defend fraud as 'free speech' if it helps his team. Of course he would condemn the same thing if it were to happen TO his team.
That would be you, you lying Marxist pedo enabler.
Needs moar “team”.
No. That's all you Lying Jeffy, you bad faith garbage shill.
The US is still better on speech than pretty much anywhere else. So it's still an advantage we have, even if there are some very bad cases like that.
Nothing pisses of Trump defenders more than someone who changes their mind and comes around to their point of view on something based upon information instead of feelings. It's like the opposite of being an apostate, and hated so much more.
I know you're trying to troll, but that doesn't even make sense, drunky.
Zuck is agreeing with us. Not you. You stood on the side of the fascists and still do. You've got to be the only guy on earth who became a totalitarian simp by accident through sheer stupidity and misplaced rage.
Sure it does you moose-fucking, maple-whine-guzzling Canadian retard. In the rare event that facts come out that confirm one of your cherished conspiracy theories, do you praise or credit people who change their minds based upon the facts? Of course not. You pour hatred and contempt onto them because they didn't believe when you believed. You fucking loath people who base their beliefs on information instead of feelings.
It's not a rare event. It happens every single fucking day, you drunken baby.
Everything you believed was so obviously a lie it was unbelievable that even a toddler would fall for it. But you did. Every single fucking time. And now it's all collapsing in on you and all you can do is shriek stupid insults.
If you had made decisions based upon information instead of raging TDS and a desire to "get even" with everyone who mocked you, you wouldn't be in the position you are now.
Your projection is hilarious! Got any more confessions?
Hands up anyone who disagrees.
Sorry Sarckles. You were always a dishonest fucking idiot, but now you're a totalitarian one too.
Forget it ML, it’s retard town.
Coming from the guy who lied for years about accidentally finding evidence that I was being impersonated, that means nothing. You're the most dishonest and downright shitty human being I've ever encountered in my life.
You weren't being impersonated, you drunken fucking asshole. You squealed about bullshit like hairspaces, but the mute button proved it was you.
If you wouldn't get blackout drunk and start rageposting you wouldn't have to deny so many posts the next day. Get help. Join AA or something.
but the mute button proved it was you.
Quite the opposite. But thank you for proving that you're a shitty human being.
Do you have that bookmarked? You know, when you wanted me to defend a comment and then accidentally proved it wasn't me when muting it didn't mute me?
Yeah, didn't think so. That would be honest.
You stupid shit, even if he has it bookmarked you’ll call him a weirdo for doing so.
It's Sarc's little game. He'll demand evidence and when you give it to him he calls you a stalker and wonders allowed why everyone saves links to his posts and they must be obsessed.
Everything about him is bad faith.
Only The PervFected Necrophiliac Moose-Mammary Fanatic has the GOOD Faith!!!
Hear, hear, HEAR ye the self-righteous preachings of MammaryBahnFuhrer! (Imported below). She knows JUST the right “Popular-with-the-Cool-Kids-in-Her-Own-Mind” theology to espouse, along with wearing JUST the right purse, hairstyle, whorestyle, and other accessories! Meanwhile, in the EXACT same source, She engaged in identity theft! Her heart, in truth, is a ravening black hole of hypocrisy, greedy self-righteousness, and other evils!
Now, the preachings of The Great Mammary. Note that She picks the verses that say that the right BELIEFS and whorestyles get you “in” with the “in” crowd, and then you’re free to engage in ID theft and other evils, at will!
Mammary-style whorestyles - preachings below:
It amazes me how Americans living in a purportedly Christian culture don't even understand the basic tenets of its theology.
Pretty much the whole point of Christianity is that everyone has sinned and is worthy of damnation so God became a human and took our punishment for us. And the libertarian angle is, that you still have a choice to accept or reject the gift already given.
Ephesians 2:8-9 ESV: For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
Romans 6:23 ESV: For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
John 3:16-17 ESV: “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
(End of Mammary-Necrophilia-Fuhrer-style preachings.)
We can pick and chose our Bible verses to justify ANY evils we WANT TO justify! And YOU equate "fashionable theology to justify ANY evil shit that I want to do" with Your fashionable hairstyle and whorestyle! Got the right fashionable BELIEFS, and so then The Queen can do WHATEVER She wants! Your BELIEFS will protect You from the consequences of Your evil actions? Do You not GET this, Oh Fashionable Queen of the Internet Cesspools?
"By their fruits, you will know them", is something that Jesus said. DEEDS, not "Magic Beliefs"!
So Great Theologian... How about Your DEEDS? Like identity theft? Was it YOU who stole "Buttplug the First"'s ID, to post child porn under his ID? How can we know either way, for SURE (how can we believe any denials that You might make), when you steal IDs, and implicitly in doing so, deliberately LIE, for malicious purposes? Stealing another person's ID is something that I would NEVER do!
So tell me again about Your Superior Theology?
And Sarc launches his Sqrlsybot to shitpost a hecklers veto.
I probably only see about 10% of what happens here, but I clearly remember Sarc proving he was being impersonated with the mute button trick around the time of the great sock reveal. I confirmed it myself.
Marxist Moose-Mammary-Farter-Fuhrer steals IDs for sure! See...
See https://reason.com/2021/03/21/why-we-still-shouldnt-censor-misinformation/#comment-8818090 and then also slightly above it, where one can SEE that Mamma the Moosefucker is the same as Evil O0O0O0NE Junior the ID thief (as well as Expert Theologian)!
Moose-Mammary-Farter-Fuhrer even fesses up, right where Chemjeff tells PervFected Her, “Uh oh, I think you left your sock on.” ID theft? Moose-Mammary-Farter-Fuhrer is PERVFECT at shit!
He stopped drinking for a full weekend last year proving he doesn't have a problem.
Yup, ML and Jesse are two co-dependent assholes. Each one needs the garbage spewed by the other to justify and validate their own assholery.
The sub-moronic pedo describes himself yet again.
It's projection all the way down in retard leftist town.
Always accuse your enemies of what you are doing. Rules for radicals. Jeffs holy Bible.
Sorry dude but that's all you and Sarckles.
There's hundreds here who agree with Jesse and I, but you and your alcoholic boyfriend are all you've got.
Seriously, it's like you imagine your some sort of unknown here.
Not only did he fall for it despite all the evidence we gave him, he continues to this day to call those who were correct the entire time conspiracy theorists.
Note. He only changed his views away from the Dem narrative AFTER even the NYT was forced to.
The other day he was calling testimony by the FBI director about FBI presence during J6 a conspiracy theory. He swears he's not Sqrlsy but he sounds more and more like him each day.
He is sqrsly.
Even White Indian was better than sqrsly.
Neither the FBI nor the Secret Lizard People should be ALLOWED to go ANYWHERE near Trumpanzees going apeshit, even if shit IS on federally owned land!!! If the Trumpanzees going apeshit invade FBI headquarters, the FBI agents there need to VACATE the premises and PRONTO!!! Moose-Mammary-Necrophiliac HAS SPOKEN!!!
He defended every act of censorship even after Twitter files, even after we showed IC employees working with Social Media, even after they were publicly saying they were doing it to stop Trump.
Sarc is a fascist. A delusional fascist.
Like I say. He's the only person to ever accidentally become a Nazi, but become one he did.
You cheer at the prospect of soldiers going door to door and carting off families at gunpoint if their papers aren't in order, and you call me a Nazi?
Dude...
Stupid attempt at redirection, but I'll bite for you.
First, nobody here has ever said that you lying fuck. However, if that family is a bunch of cartel members being arrested by police or the border patrol, then yes. Yes, you fucking slaver enthusiast.
When you watched 'Inglourious Basterds' you thought Hans Landa was the good guy.
I never watched 'Inglourious Basterds', so I have no fucking idea what your babbling about, you 64 year old middle-schooler.
Figures you don't watch Tarantino movies. Why did you choose 64? Is that your dad's age? That would make you likely in your 30s, which would make a lot of sense.
You copped to being in your late 50's years ago.
And yeah, I've just hit my 40's, gramps.
Did I? Interesting what you pick and choose to be truth or jest.
40s, unmarried and childless. And Canadian. Studied anthropology, which isn't on the list of majors that gets someone a job out of university. At least your government will take care of you in your old age. Hope Trump doesn't make good on turning your sorry ass country into a state.
Some good music and scifi has come from Canada, but if the people are like you then I don't want them.
Golly. If I were you I'd call me a stalker for remembering things I posted.
You're lucky I'm not you, huh?
It's also interesting how you can manage to remember that, but not stuff you posted here 10 minutes earlier. Convenient memory.
Oh, and though I'm not an anthropologist I use that training all the time and it's occasionally a job requirement.
You don't understand how credentials work, huh?
First, nobody here has ever said that you lying fuck.
What else did you and your boys mean when you said it would be great if fucking soldiers came back to the US from Honduras so they could hunt Hondurans? To you they're just animals to be hunted for sport. Subjects to be rousted out of bed at gunpoint. Families to be separated for fun. That makes you lol. You're a terrible human being. Worst I've ever known. I hope you never reproduce.
What the fuck are you babbling about. You said that, but about the Jews, Hitler Jr.
Seriously though, you know I'm a Metis Canadian, with family members who are immigrants in the states, an immigrant mom and another sister in law from the Dominican and yet you think trying to turn me into some good old boy in Nam stereotype will work?
Dumb fucking drunkard.
And on the day after January 6!
He had the information for literally years. His mind changed when those in power did. As usual you're not being very honest.
Is that what you think Zuck is doing? Getting rid of "rogue" fact checkers? He was in charge the whole time. He had plenty of evidence that the fact checkers leaned hard left and suppressed conservative speech. He knew all along that the government was illegally pressuring companies to suppress conservative speech because it was his company. He even testified in Congress that he knew. He even spent a half a billion dollars of his own money interfering in elections by taking over local election offices to the benefit of Democrats. So did he "change his mind and come over to our side" or did he get caught out so frequently that he had to change policy?
I applaud the change in policy but I do not think he has had any actual change of heart. I think he blows with the political winds and is now making nice to those in power. If the left were to return to power I suspect that he would be right back to election interference and speech suppression. I hope not, but there it is.
Robby says COVID-19 is a controversial political topic.
Isn't it?
It's like everyone suddenly finding religion after the second-coming.
But the fact checkers really did make Facebook look awful. Like the factchecking company they hired that censored the British Medical Journal for Covid misinformation and called them an online blog.
Facebook versus the BMJ: when fact checking goes wrong
For those who are not aware, the BMJ is the world's oldest and most prestigious scientific journal. It is so important that reading it is part of most doctors continuing medical education and professional development.
When the BMJ objected the "factchecking" org doubled down, and said they will stick with what was being released by the WHO (Who didn't actually have anything on that). Facebook stood by the factchecker, and so the BMJ remained censored for misinformation.
Not exactly covering themselves with glory.
And of course Chemjeff stood by the censorship (I saved a link to his post somewhere, I'll try and find it).
the BMJ is the world's oldest and most prestigious scientific journal.
Oh, so NOW it's okay to appeal to authority. I got it.
"The New York Times is the nation's oldest and most prestigious newspaper." Funny how that doesn't stop you and your team from trashing it daily.
Being old and respected doesn't mean that they are flawless and never wrong. Their story DID lack context. Whether Facebook should have flagged it or not is another matter.
But we all know what this is really about, this is you and your team "working the refs" to remove any opposition to your post-modernist plans to create an alternative reality based on narrative and media bubbles. This has been your team's playbook for a while now. You cannot win an argument based on the logical or factual merits of your position, so instead you "win" arguments by changing reality and getting the mob riled up so that the opposition folds.
You can't convince people on the merits why public school teachers shouldn't teach about the reality of racial discrimination. But you CAN get the people riled up against the teachers by lying to them and telling them that they are teaching this scary thing called "Critical Race Theory" and then they demand the school board change the curriculum and/or fire the teachers.
You can't convince people on the merits why public school teachers shouldn't teach that gays are no better and no worse than straights. But you CAN get the people riled up against the teachers by lying to them and telling them that they are "grooming your children" and then they bring their pitchforks to the school board meeting.
You can't convince people on the merits why 'mass deportations' is a smart or wise thing to do. But you CAN get the people riled up against the immigrants by lying to them and accusing them of being either lazy layabouts, violent thug gangbangers, or depraved sickos eating cats and dogs. That is how you get the people to support throwing peaceful migrants into cages.
That's been your team's gameplan for at least the past 5 years now. Create an alternate reality which gets the people outraged, and then the people "on their own initiative" demand exactly what you expect that they will. And people like factcheckers, or anyone who dares to insist that public policy should be decided by facts and reason instead of by emotional manipulation and outrage, are a threat to this project because they show how your 'alternate reality' is really a lie.
But there are fewer and fewer people who are willing to stand up in favor of facts and reason now, because the mob that you cultivate is more than willing to shout down any dissenters. But acquiring power by emotionally manipulating a mob never ends well. Eventually, the mob turns on you too.
Lol. You shit on the BMJ to defend some idiot factchecker who didn't know his ass from his elbow and relied on DNC messaging for guidance. Nothing you say can ever erase that stain.
"The New York Times is the nation's oldest and most prestigious newspaper."
No. The New York Post is the nation's oldest newspaper. Not the Times, and Team Jeffy censored it when it did the Hunter Biden Laptop in 2020.
"Their story DID lack context.
This is an outright lie and you made it up just now. It had full context. It's a fucking medical journal you discount politruk. Everything must be cited. Even letters. It's how they work.
"Whether Facebook should have flagged it or not is another matter."
They censored a post that was 100% true then and now. It's not another matter, Nazi. It is THE ONLY matter.
As for the rest of your off topic bullshit, I'm not going to bother reading it, unless someone here that's sensible, tells me I should pull it apart too.
Fine, the New York Post is older. The Times is still prestigious. You still shit on them. Your appeal to authority is laughable. Don't give me this "but they're the BMJ!!!" crap. Read your own damn link. Even your own source admits that their article lacked context. They just don't like it that their article was labeled that way.
You don't address the rest of what I wrote because it is all true and you have no principled defense of it. Only the emotional manipulation of the mob. Which you apply to your critics here. You don't call me and Sarc Nazis because you actually think we're Nazis. You call us names because you want to manipulate the mob into ignoring what we say - who listens seriously to a Nazi, anyway? That is what you do. You can't win with facts or reason, you can only 'win' with manipulation and dirty tricks.
Does the NYT prestige include the Pulitzer for "reporting" on the Holodomor?
Their record speaks for itself, for good and for ill. I'm not here to defend everything that they've done. They are run by fallible human beings who sometimes get things wrong. But their track record overall is miles better than anything that right-wing media could barf out.
Funny how I never hear any of you criticize right-wing media sources when they routinely get things wrong. Are you going to criticize the NY Post for basically simping for Team Red on a daily basis?
Here, you can start with this one, straight from today's edition:
https://nypost.com/2025/01/07/us-news/sen-warren-rips-hegseths-christian-tattoo-anti-woke-push/
Summary: Sen. Warren writes a 33-page letter to DOD Secretary-nominee Chris Hegseth demanding answers to over 70 questions. MOST of the questions dealt with some serious concerns about his (mis-)management of his nonprofit, his defense of war criminals, his public views of women serving in the military, and his alcohol/sexual harrassment problems that he even himself admits to. But the Post, in their water-carrying wonder, ignore all of the serious questions in this huge letter and focus on the one reference dealing with Hegseth's "Deus Vult" tattoo, so as to trivialize and mock the whole exercise. "She's obsessed over a stupid tattoo!!!" Don't you think this is an underhanded and deceptive tactic? Don't you think a legitimate news organization should report on this matter in a more neutral manner?
So you're shilling for communist apologists, seems on brand for you.
"Their record speaks for itself"
It sure as fuck does. Just like your AP party organ.
But their track record overall is miles better than anything that right-wing media could barf out.
Their track record wouldnt be a match for a Hearst newspaper 'back in the day'
Yellow journalism was a style of sensationalist reporting that emerged in the late 19th century, primarily associated with two newspaper magnates: Joseph Pulitzer and William Randolph Hearst.
Hearst, in particular, played a significant role in this era. He purchased the New York Journal in 1895 and engaged in a fierce circulation war with Pulitzer's New York World. Both papers used eye-catching headlines, exaggerated stories, and lurid features to attract readers1. This style of journalism was characterized by its focus on crime, scandal, sports, and violence, often at the expense of factual accuracy.
The term "yellow journalism" itself originated from the "Yellow Kid," a popular comic strip that appeared in both the World and the Journal. The intense competition between these papers is often credited with influencing public opinion and even contributing to the U.S. involvement in the Spanish-American War
-a quick CoPilot query answer
The Times stopped being prestigious in 1906 when the editorial board of the Times endorsed putting Ota Benga, a Mbuti (Congo pygmy) man, in the Monkey House in the Bronx Zoo. He was exhibited in the same cage as an orangutan.
"We do not quite understand all the emotion which others are expressing in the matter. ... It is absurd to make moan over the imagined humiliation and degradation Benga is suffering. The pygmies ... are very low in the human scale, and the suggestion that Benga should be in a school instead of a cage ignores the high probability that school would be a place ... from which he could draw no advantage whatever."
Ota later shot himself in the heart.
It became downright evil when in 1933 it helped Josef Stalin and the Soviets hide the Holodomor from the rest of the world.
So of course you'd think it's prestigious. It's evil and dishonest just like you.
Oh and let's see how seriously you take the claim "the BMJ is old and prestigious-y and stuff".
The dangers of industrialisation: why we need to rebuild a convivial society
https://www.bmj.com/content/387/bmj.q2577
The thesis of the article, in short: Cars kill us so we need fewer cars. Less industrial production, more collectivism and kumbaya. I'm sure you'll take this article seriously because BMJ is so prestigious, right?
How much does the fossil fuel industry fund medical research?
https://www.bmj.com/content/387/bmj.q2589
The thesis of the article, in short: Fossil fuel companies fund medical research, but fossil fuel companies are icky and their funding is in bad faith just meant to cover up their horrible crimes against humanity. Government should step in and crack down on this atrocious practice of companies donating money to fund research.
Surely you agree that this article deserves serious consideration, right? Oh wait.
Wait. Do do you think I would want those people's opinions censored because I disagree with them? I'm not you, Jeffy.
Even if you think that they are wrong you have zero right to censor them (Because who the fuck are you to do so?).
You really don't get this because you actually think silencing disagreement with you is a fundamental good. You always tip your hat, Lying Jeffy.
This is one of the many reasons why I believe you're a Nazi.
Fat boy ate his Wheatie's today. After dumping a cup load of sugar on top of them, I'm sure.
Yes we know. In your world, Haitians in Springfield really do eat cats.
In Haiti they just eat people.
I guess we should be grateful.
With sugar?
"Oh, so NOW it's okay to appeal to authority. I got it."
Contextually, yes it can be OK.
In this context, both groups were appealing to authority, one side just had better evidence and frankly common sense on their side (BMJ) while the other side was stacking up L after L during COVID (WHO) and was famously wrong about quite a lot.
So yes, its OK to appeal to authority and say "hey these guys have a good track record and better evidence than your expert"
But in this case, the fact checker (corrupt) took the side of the expert that was proven to be wrong quite a lot.
And please spare us the false equivalence. Appealing to one expert (and in the end being right for it, incidentally) over a bad expert, is not the same as you appealing to experts (which we always make fun of you for) to state that "experts say up is down and left is right, who are you to argue with it?>!?!"
You appeal to experts to prove ridiculous claims that fly in the face of common sense and easily observable reality. And it also helped that the experts you chose (gender cult) happened to be gaming the system and rigging things so their famously bad data and studies flooded the mainstream and they suppressed all else.
Of course, eventually we got data that the sky is actually blue, and water is wet, despite you claiming the opposite with the backing of "the experts"
All appeals to authority are not equal, and you sophomoric argumentation style is not anything in the same realm
One also practices, in general, science. The other is a completely partisan and political group.
Jeff also defines false experts as experts. See his demands we bow down to WPATH.
Also the WHO had the force of actual authority (use of force) behind them - so the FactChecker appeal to authority was both rhetorical device and literal appeal to authority.
So yes, its OK to appeal to authority
Yeah we know. Your team's "appeal to authority" is always selective.
A little while ago, when the FBI happened to be in the news, I went over to one of your right-wing 'news' sites and I did a search for the FBI. In all of the articles that were about some crime that occurred in a non-domestic-politics context - say, a terrorist bombing or a kidnapping - the right-wing reporters cited the FBI as a neutral source of authority. It is when the story involved some domestic political matter, say, investigating Republicans, or not investigating Democrats, that the right-wing 'reporters' started accusing the FBI of being a bunch of corrupt partisan liars.
Huh. If the FBI is such a bunch of partisan corrupt liars when it comes to this investigation over here, how come they were cited so approvingly and so authoritatively when it came to the terrorist bombing article or the kidnapping article? Hmm?
It's all just a game with your team. It doesn't actually matter what the reputation of the BMJ is, or anyone really. You'll cite approvingly any authority that tells you the story that you want to hear. You'll trash prestigious scientific journals if they publish an article that shows something you don't like, and you'll prop up quack 'doctors' as 'sacred experts' when they tell you some story that you do like. We saw this over and over again during the pandemic and you can't take it back now. So spare me the lecture on 'sophomoric argumentation'.
Nobody read that.
I don't think it's so much appeal to authority as pointing out the absurdity of censoring something that is generally considered a high quality scientific journal. That doesn't mean everything they publish is correct. But their history and reputation suggest that what they publish should at least be seriously considered and debated.
Man. Sarc must have gone online to cry for jeffs help. The pedo has been deleting his special folder with all the news around child rape, but sarc forced him out of hiding to come lie about his prior views.
That's a boyfriend.
Sarc lit the Jeff-signal, a specially modified searchlight with the image of a twinkie in the sky.
Not having Chumby around to do some "twinkie" mockery of Jeffsarc is a bummer.
I miss the waters being Chumby'd.
I do love a good ring kiss in the morning.
Trump needs a cock ring for Zuck and a handful of others fuckers.
So, when do we get the confession from Mangu-Ward and the rest of Reason staff about how they regret bullshitting us for the past dozen years, and promise not to do it again?
The Reason Party's Bard plays on...
No Robby and Zuck, none of your censorship on Facebook or defended at Reason was in good faith you Marxist propagandists.
By the way, who is the libertarian that Trump picked for his cabinet?
Previous times I have asked this question, I got "Jared Isaacman", who was selected for NASA administrator - not exactly at the cabinet level - and not a libertarian either. The other answer I got is "well they are all a little libertarian". Well sure I guess, but you can say that about Biden's cabinet or any cabinet. So not really a responsive answer.
Doesn't it bug any of you that Trump outright lied to your faces when he said he was going to appoint a libertarian to the cabinet?
Still think he is going to pardon Ross Ulbricht?
As a reminder, he hasn't taken office.
Still holding out hope that he will nominate Dave Smith or Angela McArdle to something?
He has no power to do anything right now, not till the swearing in.
"As a reminder, he hasn't taken office."
Yes, but once Trump takes office it'll be harder for Jeffy to lie about what he may or may not do on his first day.
Trump is The True Libertarian so whomever he picks is libertarian by definition, and anyone who doesn't praise him is a leftist.
Duh.
I am just a little surprised that no one here offered even a little complaint about it. Not even a "sure I voted for him but I was disappointed that he didn't keep his promise". Just a big nothing.
It's either that libertarians don't mind being treated like doormats, or that they were always Republicans anyway who didn't give a shit about Trump's promise here.
I'm not. These comments are dominated by Trump defenders who hate libertarians.
You two goosestepping fucks are not libertarian in any way, shape or form.
Jeffsarc goes to bat for sarcjeff. Surprising no one. Two pedos in a pod.
Poor sarc.
No more ideas™ .
But he finally has his boyfriend back. Smiling ear to ear.
I think deep down Trump is sarcs wanna-be X'bf.
I'm not sure a person can hang-on and hamper one single person so much without secretly being in love with them.
If _you_ can say "well they are all a little libertarian" about Biden's cabinet, you are either delusional or have no idea what "libertarian" means.
Babylon Bee nails it:
Guy Who Said Facebook Was Not Suppressing Free Speech Announces Facebook Will Stop Suppressing Free Speech
"This is a major shift toward no longer doing the things I said we weren't doing," Zuckerberg said in the statement. "While we never suppressed free speech and expression at Facebook, we felt that the election of 2024 was a cultural pivot point that made it clear that we had to stop suppressing free speech and expression. Even though we absolutely never did it, starting now, we're going to stop doing it."
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Democrats Lost...........
All the sudden Reason and Facebook pull a 180.
Does that mean Biden's Ministry-of-Truth government agency is really gone?
Again, Facebook ran ads specifically calling for updated internet regulations. No one made them do it.
When Progressives and a Democratic Congress threatened to regulate speech on Social Media, Zuck and Facebook told them to pull their hair and smack their ass because they like it rough. Reason swooned.
Now that everyone is sobering up,
FacebookMeta is realizing it's a soft 4, and it's obvious the geriatric man they climbed into bed with couldn't perform, they're going to pretend it was just a fling. For now...Lesson learned: Don't stick it in crazy.
Sorry Zuckyboi but you went along with it and now your trying to cover your arse with fake apologies supposed to render your guilt.
Anyone knows ghews have no guilt emotions. They're only sorry when they get caught and Zuckyboi knows he has been exposed.
As long as the ghews own the media, we can expect only distorted, twisted and flawed versions of the truth meant to confuse and distract the choyim.
It's not just Facebook that's guilty but the entire legacy media, controlled by the See Eye Ay and the overpaid hacks spewing the sort of rubbish responsible for so much of the violence and covering up for demented old president with lies.
That outlets such as CNN, MSNBC, ABC and the rest have lost so many viewers, hasn't , as yet, seemed to sink in to the owners. Let them continue to suffer the consequences.
This is still funny, though: Zuckerberg news
I'll take it even if he's doing the right thing for wrong reasons.
Unfortunately, the key point in time where censorship does the most harm is when the First Amendment fails. It does little good for the corrections to occur three years after the fact. What we need is for a government that does NOT violate the Constitution during an emergency in the first place. When the next crisis occurs, the government will take the opportunity to crush our rights again. And again it will take us a year - or a decade - to reassert those rights and, maybe, undo some of the damage. Right now the polarization and civil strife that now prevails as a result of the COVID crackdowns and the censorship of protest against them will be difficult or impossible to reverse. At the very least we need a mechanism to punish the violators criminally for violating the Constitution that they took an oath to uphold and defend. Alas, we lack even that.
"The fact-checkers have just been too politically biased," says the Meta CEO.
That's strange.
Zuckie didn't think his "fact-checkers were too politically biased three and a half years ago.
Weird, huh?
I think we need to distinguish between fact-checking entities and the general idea of fact-checking. You can hold that all current fact-checking entities are biased, partisan, lying, etc while also holding that having a non-partisan and unbiased source of fact-checking is a good idea. After all, pretty much only Communists and post-modernists deny the existence of objective truth and it should be possible that when a politician utters a lie or a misleading statement, some entity can credibly say, "this is a lie" or "this is misleading".
But do the majority of people actually want such an entity? Or would they prefer that true fact-checking is applied only to the other side's politicians and major supporters, etc?
I also think that in general people are inclined to believe a fact-check depending on the accordance with their prior conception.
If a politician says that government spending falls under GOP presidents, will GOP supporters believe it when a fact checker says that's a lie? Do they even want to hear it?
If a politician says that murders from assault weapons are responsible for the deaths of thousands of Americans in 2023 (and then using the stat to call for a ban), will Democratic supporters believe it when a fact checker says that's a lie? Do they even want to hear it?
Both the MAGA and the WOKE believe that only their facts are facts and whatever the other says is a lie. Trump is so absurdly outrageous that it takes a really dumb person to fall for his shtick. As a result, he discredits reasonable GOP who try to explain how the Dems engage in an extensive system of lies and character assassination.
If you want unbiased news about USA, you really have to look outside of the country for it.
The point here is that fact-checking that you choose to refer to concerning things you read is potentially useful. You get to pick the fact-checkers you trust and you can change to a competitor - or even subscribe to more than one for bias comparison purposes - if you lose faith in them. Facebook chose fact-checkers for you without your consent and the only option you had was to abandon Facebook - and all your "friends" and family - or stop posting stuff that might trigger punishment without really knowing what that might be. So it's not the fact-checking that is the problem here! It's how and where the fact-checking occurs and what the consequences are for you.
Facebook had no "Fact Checkers." FB only had Woke political hit men. You Tube, however, is many times worse.
"The fact-checkers have just been too politically biased...."
"Too" biased? Biased itself is bad when you're playing with freedoms. The "fact checkers" shouldn't only be fired. The should be charged with, among other things, election interference. Interesting that it took Marko 4 years to figure this out. Guess that's what happens when a new sheriff comes to town.
It won't be a real change. It'll be like Community Notes. At first the white hats were running it, but sometimes now it's just another echo chamber.
Because the obese purple haired activist ideologues are the only ones who have the free time to do that stuff all day, every day.
Like every leftist parasite (but I repeat myself), they will simply infiltrate, corrupt, and destroy functionality and freedom from within, replacing it with the blind application of their totalitarian ideology.
It's just PR and a rebrand because 1) he was losing out to X and 2) Musk and Vivek stepped in dog poop with their H1B visa comments and Zuck saw an opportunity to maybe claw some people back.
But I wouldn't trust *any* of them as far as I can throw them.
I would take anything Zuckieboi says with more than a few grains of Kosher salt.