Make Cars (and Everything Else) Cheap Again
Plus: Superfund is back, Biden signs a lot of laws, MAGA vs. tech Christmas, and more...

Tariff price shock absorbers: In 2019, the average price of a new car in America was less than $40,000. But in the years since the pandemic, prices of new vehicles have risen rapidly. As of October 2024, the average price of a new car was more than $47,000.
Incoming President Donald Trump's threatened tariffs could raise those prices by nearly $3,000, according to an estimate from Wolfe Research, since the cost of tariffs is likely to be passed on to consumers.
That estimated price hike would be a direct result of Trump's proposal to erect 25 percent tariffs on goods imported from Canada and Mexico. As The Wall Street Journal reports, the additional import taxes would hit low-priced vehicles especially hard, since many auto manufacturers have moved production of less expensive, low-profit-margin vehicles to Mexico.
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Auto manufacturing labor in the United States is expensive, but it's considerably cheaper in Mexico, so vehicles that retail for less than $30,000 new—a rapidly disappearing segment of the market—would be hit hardest. (At this point, there's literally only one vehicle that retails for less than $20,000 new in the United States, the Nissan Versa.)
About a third of the cars priced less than $30,000 are built in Mexico, the Journal reports.
Trump spent much of his presidential campaign pounding Democrats generally and the Biden administration specifically for policies that contributed to skyrocketing inflation and high prices. So it's bitterly ironic that Trump's signature economic proposal, the imposition of new tariffs, would similarly contribute to higher prices.
On the campaign trail, Trump promised to bring auto manufacturing back to the U.S., saying that if elected, his presidency would herald "the launch of a new American industrial revolution." He promised to make interest on auto loans fully tax deductible, a plan that didn't make a whole lot of sense.
Trump made a lot of promises. We'll have to wait and see what he actually does.
But one of the few issues he's been consistent on over the years is opposition to foreign trade, which he seems to view as a zero-sum game in which Americans lose. Yet his trade proposals, if implemented, would almost certainly cost Americans a lot of money.
There's an obvious political lesson to be learned from the last few years: Americans hate high prices. Yet neither party seems to have learned that lesson. If there was a party simply committed to eliminating regulations, taxes, trade barriers, and so forth that artificially raise prices, I predict it would do very well.
Wassup, Superfund: Remember Superfund? (No, not Superfriends.) It's back, sort of. Only in New York!
Yesterday, New York Gov. Kathy Hochul signed the Climate Change Superfund Act into law. The act would force fossil fuel energy companies to pay into a fund to offset the cost of expensive weather damage. (A similar law was recently passed in Vermont.)
Many of the specifics are still TBD. As local news channel ABC 7 reports, "the state must come up with rules on how to identify responsible parties, notify companies of the fines and create a system to determine which infrastructure projects will be paid for by the fund." But according to The New York Times, the payments from affected companies would total about $3 billion a year for the next 25 years.
Would that, perhaps, raise prices for energy consumers?
The Times notes that "some economists" have suggested that because "fees are based on past emissions, and oil prices are set by a global market, future prices should not be affected." Uh, sure. It's only $3 billion in new costs for energy producers. Why would anyone think that would make a difference in the price of energy? Crazy talk!
South Korea vs. Presidents: For the second time in weeks, South Korean lawmakers have impeached the country's top political leader. The first impeachment was a result of President Yoon Suk Yeol's bizarre decision to impose martial law. After his ouster, Prime Minister Han Duck-soo became acting president. That didn't last long. He's now been impeached too.
What's next? As of this morning, no one really knows. But some observers have suggested that the country's unrest could take a long time to resolve. It's just one more element of uncertainty at a time of international instability.
Scenes from Washington, D.C.: President Joe Biden signed 50 (!) bills into law on Christmas Eve. According to CBS News: "The bills Mr. Biden signed include socialite and activist Paris Hilton's bill to protect teenagers living in residential treatment facilities, a bill setting anti-hazing standards on college campuses, and a bill preventing members of Congress from collecting pensions if convicted of certain crimes."
Quick Hits
- There are a whole lot of new laws going into effect in New York in 2025. Happy New Year?
- "The thing I've changed my mind most on in politics in recent years is how destructive bad regulations can be," says New York Times columnist Ezra Klein.
- MAGA types and pro-Trump tech types spent Christmas arguing about high-skilled immigration.
- Americans are not feeling super stoked about America. Sad!
- Trump's incoming border czar says he will move back to family detention.
- Are influencers taking over politics?
- At this point, the question you have to ask is…what can't you make a knife out of?
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There are a whole lot of new laws going into effect in New York in 2025.
The subways will be safe again!
For minstrels and other colorful characters?
Each car will have a tiny stage for Michael Jackson impersonators.
Why bother, when they don't enforce the old laws?
"The thing I've changed my mind most on in politics in recent years is how destructive bad regulations can be," says New York Times columnist Ezra Klein.
No one is safe from the Trump Effect.
At this point, the question you have to ask is…what can't you make a knife out of?
Plowshares?
Everything (in the UK).
Meh. Nobody needs a knife in the UK.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlroOdP8p2Y&ab_channel=KennyTeeology
I don't know. But what I'd like to know is why Beyonce wasn't criticized for making a finger gun.
Same reason she got away with doing a Black Panther dance routine during Super Bowl halftime, & no one said anything.
I think Ed Sheeran should do a Pink Panther dance routine this year. Just to make it fair.
He could dress as Clouseau and have racially deverse pink panthers dancing around him showing their junk. Sounds like a winner.
A hijab?
Lies! Trump's tariffs are magic! They will protect domestic industry without raising prices!
Foreign nations MUST be subjected to domination, and then assimilated, and THEN they MIGHT be able to freely export goods and services to the old core "homeland" USA! MAYBE these subjects of The USA Crown MIGHT even be able to become 15th-class USA citizens! There's always hope... First, assimilation... And THEN maybe free trade!
Today, Canada, Panama, and Greenland! Tomorrow, the world!
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-takes-aim-canada-greenland-panama-canal-christmas-day-posts-rcna185416
Not assimilation, but they do need to adopt identical laws and regulations or else trade isn't fair and equal. Unfair and unequal trade is unfree trade, necessitating tariffs to make it fair and equal. Everything needs to be fair and equal or it's not free.
Fuck off and die, spastic asshole.
Which one, the shit-eating squirrel or the one peddling a giant strawman?
Stupid people say stupid shit (embellished with more stupid shit!) and Sarcasmic cuts through the outer stupid shit to reveal the inner stupid shit that the stupid people apparently really "think", if we can call shit that, at all. So that's not a strawman at all.
tr;dr
Is that what the grey boxes say? Fucking idiots.
Chickenshit.
Drying out after your Christmas blackout bender?
Lying about muting again like you lied about rarely being here anymore?
It is so weird what you lie about.
"Spastic asshole" sounds like a Mounjaro side effect.
You have serious mental deficiencies. And that's me being nice.
"The thing I've changed my mind most on in politics in recent years is how destructive bad regulations can be," says New York Times columnist Ezra Klein
"That's why I support these new regulations, they are good ones, really, trust me, I promise, totally legit," he added.
I wonder where a lying, complicit media ranks on his list.
They’re certainly essential to winning any national election for the democrats.
I promise not to move the ball this time, Charlie Brown
'The act would force fossil fuel energy companies to pay into a fund to offset the cost of expensive weather damage.'
But only for hot weather damage, right? And do oil companies get credit for money saved from lack of cold?
Easy response. No more deliveries of heating oil to New York, as of course it is solely responsible for climate change.
China and India coal plants have nothing to do with it so they won't charge them.
We should cease deliveries of food too.
And anything produced for profit.
But only for hot weather damage, right? And do oil companies get credit for money saved from lack of cold?
The higher prices of electricity and heating oil in Vermont and upstate New York this winter are just proof of how much they're price gouging people in order to kill them by warming the climate.
The Times notes that "some economists" have suggested that because "fees are based on past emissions, and oil prices are set by a global market, future prices should not be affected."
See this a good one, totally won't add cost to the consumer, you can trust me.
- Ezra Klein
I appreciate how your Ezra Klein is 1000x more consistent and logical than actual Ezra Klein.
That estimated price hike would be a direct result of Trump's proposal to erect 25 percent tariffs on goods imported from Canada and Mexico.
"And this one is bad, because Trump. Man this is easy"
- Ezra Klein
Because absolutely no one will buy a different car to avoid the tariffs?
Let them drive Lexus
The government shouldn't be mandating or nudging people in their choices.
Yep.
Mexicans.
They also shouldn't be subsidizing foreign companies. But guess which Chinese company is benefiting from some of the green loan deals regarding batteries.
The government also shouldn’t allow trade partners to block our exports, and use state subsidies to prey on American industry.
A different car made out of what?
Potassium. They run fine as long as it never rains or gets wet.
Ah, a potassium car-bonate.
Potassium based cars are expensive.
https://drive-world.fandom.com/wiki/Bananamobile
'It's just one more element of uncertainty at a time of international instability.'
Klaus Schwab approves. And actually gets a little excited in his you know what.
Sith Robes?
Lizard person interior gonads?
Destroying energy production will destroy the economy more than any tarrifs
But but but: TARIFFS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Don't worry, be happy, Trumpoleon will LOVE us all!!! More than we can EVER imagine!!!
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If you point out energy or regulatory costs and the fact they dward tariff costs, you're MAGA. Ask sarc.
"...the fact they dward tariff costs..."
Don't be such a DWARD, and give us a shitation, please, Ye PervFected Middle School Dorp-Out!!! WHY must Ye PervFectly Dorp Out SOOOOO much?!?!?!
the state must come up with rules on how to identify responsible parties
So they are going to fine disfavored companies for bad weather. What could possibly go wrong?
What could possibly go wrong?
Companies move back to CA?
the state must come up with rules on how to identify responsible parties
The ones with the thickest wallets?
The ones with any cash in their wallets.
the state must come up with rules on how to identify responsible parties
It's like redundantly boastful trash talk.
The State of New York run by Gov. Hokum couldn't identify a responsible party on the most responsible day of its life with an automated responsibility detector.
'Yesterday, New York Gov. Kathy Hochul signed the Climate Change Superfund Act into law.'
How about Greg Abbott and the Texas legislature pass a Political Change Superfund Act? This would seek monetary damages and penalties for personal and enterprise hardship induced by progressive government policies.
Not that long ago Hochul was trying to convince people that NYS is pro-business.
Last week she was bragging about making the subways safer. Well
lit too!
With whale oil lamps?
"Outgoing Democratic New Hampshire Congresswoman Says She’s Leaving Because Trump ‘Tried To Kill’ Her On J6"
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/outgoing-democratic-new-hampshire-congresswoman-says-she-s-leaving-because-trump-tried-to-kill-her-on-j6/ar-AA1wxtvd?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=b1fa290f9d3944f8b4ceca667150d763&ei=14
More like long TDS, and good riddance to the shit.
Live Free! (or run away and hide?)
That's nothing. AOC was gang raped in a subsequent fantasy.
Um, is there video?
She likely fantasizes about getting group banged by a bunch of burly conservative alpha male types. As opposed to her beta male soyboy cuck of a boyfriend.
Example # 14,217 that politics is show business for ugly people.
She looks like Mrs. Doubtfire.
Any good journalist would do the research necessary to identify the current costs in federally mandated automotive equipment, and compare that in whining about a tariff not in place.
In an unrelated story, many energy companies announce moves to Texas.
So true. Real journalists will do anything to justify Trump's proposed tariffs, including blaming other things that are more important. There's a name for that. It's the fallacy of relative privation. It allows someone to dismiss their opponents argument by pointing to something else that they claim is more important. If Reason employed any real journalists they'd be using that fallacy and pointing to regulations and mandates while ignoring trade and tariffs, because those things are so much more important.
Why are you against facts? I get your entire knowledge base is narratives, but this is just retarded. Your lack of education doesn't apply to reality.
I would sign a law saying all climate activists, polititions, and workers are not allowed to emit any carbon at all.
But what about the wealthy ones that can buy indulgences, er, carbon offsets?
No exceptions
Wait one moment. If they are willing to pay me cash I say let them emit carbon. The more that they pay me the more carbon I will permit them to emit.
Headline:
Illegal Accused of Killing Boy, 12, Gets Out of Jail Free for Christmas as Victim's Family Mourns
An illegal immigrant accused of involuntary manslaughter for the death of a Missouri boy is out of prison after Circuit Judge Bruce Hilton reduced her bond Dec. 19.
Endrina Bracho, a Venezuelan national who allegedly caused a December 2023 car crash that resulted in the death of 12-year-old Travis Wolfe in March, had been jailed since March on a $500,000 cash-only bond, per a report from First Alert 4 in Missouri.
But Hilton reduced that bond to no longer include a cash amount, meaning Bracho is out of prison.
She is not allowed to contact the victims or drive a vehicle without a license. She must also wear a GPS ankle monitor.
Bracho faces charges of first-degree involuntary manslaughter, second-degree assault, and two counts of first-degree child endangerment.
The illegal immigrant allegedly drove the wrong way down Dunn Road in Missouri on Dec. 20, 2023, at 75 miles per hour — despite the speed limit being 40 miles per hour.
Bracho then allegedly crashed into a Jeep headed in the opposite direction, putting Wolfe into a coma — which lasted until his death on March 6 — and injuring two others, as well as injuring her own two children.
Bracho was released from jail one day before the anniversary of the crash.
On a similar theme, my small blue town newspaper published a piece on Christmas quoting inmates in the local county jail, in order to share their sadness from spending the holiday apart from family.
Some people are emotional retards (truly, with infantile emotional processing) and simply can't understand why anyone should be sad.
"Some people are emotional retards..."
The word "emotional" is not needed.
Why does a magazine with the motto "free minds and free markets" keep harping on tariffs? It makes no sense. They must hate Trump. It's the only explanation.
Peddled enough strawmen today, Strawcasmic?
And yet when people start punching back to this troll, Sarc will cry he's being persecuted.
Because like you they don't support actual free trade. Please tell us your definition again. It is fucking hilarious. I can post if you don't want to.
"They must hate Trump."
Trump, aside from his status of TV celebrity, is in the real estate business. He's in the business of buying and selling something, land and buildings, that can't be imported or exported and immune from tariffs.
He's been a big supporter of tariffs since the 80s when he wanted to slap protective tariffs on everything from our biggest economic threat at the time - Japan. Japan was taking over the world with their cheap, subsidized exports, and rich Japanese people had the audacity to buy real estate as well. It was unfair, unfair, unfair, and the government needed to do something about it or we were going to lose our world standing. Sound familiar?
In short, he's always been a protectionist, nativist economic-ignoramus.
And here once again sarc knowingly lies. Just a week ago he admitted Trump was using tariffs to modify foreign trade partners behaviors. But he knows he looks retarded admitting this so he is back to calling everything protective. Sadly this again makes sarc look retarded as he claimed Reagan never implemented protective tariffs whils praising him
Everything sarc says is in support of a narrative and he is willing to lie to defend his narrative like a good democrat.
Sorry bub, but one sentence from Trump doesn't negate forty years of rhetoric from him in favor of tariffs for tariff's sake.
Not only that, but what he said is not completely true. During his first term he failed to implement the blanket tariffs that he wants. He was only able to target specific industries using the national security powers given to him by Congress. What he's trying to do now is use his power to take countries out of the most favored nation status in order to tariff all of their imports. He's doing this by framing immigration and drugs as a national security threats, similar to how the left framed the antics of the J6 yahoos as an "insurrection," in order to trigger certain laws. It's all smoke and mirrors, and you're falling for it because you're ignorant and stupid, and because you want to. You're here to defend Trump and attack his critics. Period. Fact is that I fart more knowledge about presidential tariff powers than your brain can ingest.
Now's your cue to launch into a bunch of shrill attacks against me while ignoring what I said, and my cue to not look at this thread again because I'm genuinely not interested in anything you have to say.
"In short, he's always been a protectionist, nativist economic-ignoramus."
Why shouldn't he be? As I say, tariffs are someone else's problem. It's also in his interest to promote left leaning policies that make it easier for middle class Americans to buy and sell property. Not just Trump, but any other New York Democrat in the same business.
"In a stunning display of Democratic dysfunction, Michigan’s legislative session ended in chaos as party leaders failed to ram through their far-left agenda before losing control of the state House.
https://pjnewsletter.com/michigan-democrats-dana-nessel/?utm_source=tpi&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=TPI12262024PMLB
The Michigan legislature was set for a big finish this session, with Democrats promising to deliver on their long-touted progressive agenda. They’ve been in control, and you’d think they’d be laser-focused on using that slim majority to ram through their bills.
For weeks, they hyped up this moment, selling it as their chance to cement their legacy and turn Michigan into a progressive paradise. Spoiler alert: it didn’t quite go as planned.
Now, you’d think the Democrats, who love to lecture everyone about “getting things done,” would have had their ducks in a row. But instead of pushing their big-ticket legislation over the finish line, something bizarre happened. They didn’t have the votes. Not because of Republican obstruction, mind you, but because their own members couldn’t be bothered to show up. Yes, really.
This kind of misstep isn’t just a minor embarrassment; it’s a colossal failure of leadership. They had one job: show up and vote. But now their grand plans to pass their left-wing wish list are up in smoke, and all they have to show for it is a lot of angry donors and some serious explaining to do. You can’t help but laugh at the irony: the party that loves to tell us how they’ll “save democracy” can’t even get their team to show up for the game.
"and all they have to show for it is a lot of angry donors "
Who are these angry donors, and are they really as angry as you say they are or are they only feigning anger and are secretly relieved over the failure of the legislation to pass?
mtrueman|8.30.17 @ 1:42PM|#
"Spouting nonsense is an end in itself."
So the donors wouldn't be angry that they failed to push the agenda they donated for through, because of laziness?
Michigan's biggest individual donor to Democrats by far is Jon Stryker, heir to a medical technology company. I'm not convinced he's interested in pushing for a 'far left agenda.'
Corporate donors to Democrats in Michigan have included Blue Cross Blue Shield, DTE Energy, Ford Motor Co, Rock Holdings mortgage lending service, and grocery chain Meijer. None of these strike me as being interested in promoting a far left agenda, and are perfectly happy with the status quo. In the recent past, they've donated just as generously to the Republicans.
The unions are probably the biggest donors in Michigan and likely have the most interest in a far left agenda. But they are unions and probably by now have come to expect being screwed over and taken for granted by the Democrats.
So corporate DEI doesn't exist in your fantasy world then, huh?
The Pritzker's who own the Hyatt group fund some of the most extremist and perverse policies since the Aztecs. Blackrock make it a rule that all its companies practice DEI and grades them accordingly. Laureen Jobs, heir to Steve Jobs fortune is one of the biggest DEI advocates and Democratic donors in the parties history.
The push to social and political extremism is coming from them. Not the union bosses.
"So corporate DEI doesn't exist in your fantasy world then, huh?"
DEI means different skin colors and sexual preferences, doesn't it? I'm sure Hyatt employs women, gays, blacks etc. If they hire far leftists of any color or sexuality, I'd be surprised.
Your mistake is to believe that a person's skin color or sexual preference automatically makes them a far leftist. It doesn't. Most DEI hires make perfectly compliant and productive employees and are not far left agitators. If it weren't the case, the oligarchs wouldn't be promoting DEI, would they?
"DEI means different skin colors and sexual preferences, doesn't it?"
No. Are you being fucking retarded on purpose? Is this what the University of CNN taught you?
DEI are corporate affirmative action programs. People are graded by where they sit on the intersectionality spectrum rather than by knowledge, credentials or competency.
"DEI are corporate affirmative action programs."
I agree. They are affirmative action programs to promote hiring of blacks, gays, women etc. They are not meant to promote hiring far leftists of any color or sexuality. Corporations have no trouble with blacks, gays etc. They make fine employees. Far leftists, on the other hand, are trouble. They promote unionism, sabotage, whistle blowing and distract other workers with their ceaseless agitation. Spend a few minutes meditating on this and you will see that I am correct.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!
Fuck the Democrats and fuck their fucking far left agenda.
Not enough reparations?
I grew up in Michigan and now live in Illinois. Every time I go back to visit I'm struck by how batshit crazy the place has become. Hard to believe but I'd rather live in IL.
That is hard to believe.
Dude, you really need to try the free world.
" (At this point, there's literally only one vehicle that retails for less than $20,000 new in the United States, the Nissan Versa.) "
The BYD Seagull EV sells for something like $9,700. More than a quarter million were sold in China this year.
1. The BYD Seagull isn't for sale in the US.
2. If I wanted to buy a coffin, I'd go to a funeral home, not a car dealer.
"1. The BYD Seagull isn't for sale in the US."
Just nip on down to Mexico and these scary cars go for around $US20,000.
https://www.autogiz.com/mx/car-prices/byd-seagull-2024-6530
Now try to import it. Since it's younger than 25 years, the importation will be a royal pain in the ass.
A presidential pain in the ass.
Let’s all go bottom fishing!
I had a Nissan Versa once. Worst car I ever drove (let alone owned). It ranked 48th out of 48 sedans. Bought it for 12K brand new. The resale value had dropped to about 3K twelve years later, but CarMax raised a lot of venture debt, so they paid me 6K.
I think there is consensus against "bad regulations". I also think that there is not a consensus on what are a "bad regulations". One person's bad regulation is another person's good regulation. Question is how to sort out the difference?
What's magic about "regulations"? How do people sort out good from bad in general?
Less = better.
Agreed. There be a lot less if they got rid of the ones I think are bad.
Fewer ("Game of Thrones" reference, not me being a Grammar Stalinist).
So what are people referring to when they talk about deregulation? In ordinary usage, the word seems to mean “changing the regulatory structure in a way that I like.” In the case of banking, deregulation has usually meant moving away from a situation of managed competition between midsize firms to one in which a handful of financial conglomerates are allowed to completely dominate the market. In the case of airlines and telecommunication firms in the Seventies and Eighties, deregulation meant the opposite: changing the system of regulation from one that encouraged a few large firms to one that fostered carefully supervised competition between midsize firms. In neither of these cases was bureaucracy reduced.
https://harpers.org/archive/2015/03/in-regulation-nation/
Co-President Elon wants to kill off the FDIC although it costs taxpayers nothing.
Because when a bank fails depositors should go broke. It’s called “free banking”.
Besides, you dumbasses should put all your money into crypto. What could go wrong?
Where are your citations? Links?
He made it up, so you're going to have to give him a bit.
Freedom means letting the market take its own form. "Managed competition between mid-sized firms" is inefficient meddling that strives to protect a sub-optimal status quo. Most industries settle in to having 3 large competitors, with 2 of them dominating and the third keeping them competitive by trying to replace one of them on quality, price, innovation, etc.
"The customer is our enemy; the competitor is our friend."
- ADM executive.
You're right. There's no objective way to determine which regulations are good and which are bad. The safest option would be to cut regulations across the board.
^This. 100x this
"US-backed monitor takes down report alleging north Gaza famine after envoy’s critique"
[...]
"“The FEWS NET alert, unfortunately, issued an analysis without the benefit of further examination by the Famine Review Committee, relies on outdated population estimates, and has methodological limitations based on the availability of data,” a spokesperson for the US Agency for International Development told The Times of Israel..."
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/us-backed-monitor-takes-down-report-alleging-north-gaza-famine-after-objections/ar-AA1wu6Lc?ocid=BingNewsSerp
How is propaganda supposed to work if has to use real data?
I wonder what would happen if the rest of the world simply forgot about the US. Countries went on selling to other countries enjoying the free market while the US languished in its tariffs. Brexit did nothing for the UK and tariffs will do less for the US.
...Countries went on selling to other countries enjoying the free market...
Uhm...
What rose colored glasses do you wear? All countries have barriers to trade.
And without the largest market in the world, Global corporations would take issue and create policy change, possibly moving production here to supply the market.
Countries do not sell, corporations do and the multi-nationals will supply to meet demand.
If countries don't why do we need tariffs?
This is more retarded than sarcs definition of a free market.
"Countries do not sell, corporations do and the multi-nationals will supply to meet demand."
Not necessarily. Perhaps Obama's biggest effort was the signing of JCPOA. It was a deal signed by US, Iran, Russia, China and several European countries including Germany. When Trump pulled out of the deal, Angela Merkel was determined to maintain it because of all the investments in Iran that German companies had lined up. Merkel stated 'we're going to continue on, regardless' but had to backtrack days later when all the Germany companies cancelled due to threats of massive tariffs on them by the Trump administration.
Brexit kept the UK out of the financial abyss that Europe will become. Except they are following mostly the same policies anyway.
Which countries operate as a free market?
Why do democrats say the dumbest shit possible?
Are you really this economically illiterate? The US is the third largest country by population, and the wealthiest, with the world's largest petroleum reserves (and largest petroleum and natural gas producer) and the largest agricultural producer in the world. Yeah, it makes a lot of business sense (especially if you're like China and a net importer of agricultural goods and petroleum) to forsake America. It might slow our economy but we would hardly languish. In fact, this would likely backfire spectacularly, as this would reinvigorate US manufacturing, reinvigorate US mining etc, and by the time the other countries came back to the US markets, they'd find their market share has disappeared. (And the EU will likely be more be the first to come crawling back because they've largely killed their agricultural industries, and without US grains, meats and dairies providing downward pressure on the world market, the price of agricultural goods is going to go through the roof. The US provides downward pressure due to the pure volume of agricultural goods we export, and even countries that don't import US agricultural goods benefit due to lower prices resulting from the volume we produce).
One of the myths that still persists is that we live in a capitalist society, or that we ever lived in a capitalist society. Much like the left screams true socialism has never been tried (largely because it's impossible to implement) true capitalism has never existed. Instead all countries, even so called capitalists, actually are still mercantile states. All governments try to protect domestic production at the expense of foreign competition. Some countries have more and others less interference but all play the game to some extent. In fact, the US is actually one of the countries with the least protections and even with Trump's tariffs, will still be one of the easiest countries to export to.
"Yeah, it makes a lot of business sense (especially if you're like China and a net importer of agricultural goods and petroleum) to forsake America."
Brazil is already the biggest exporter of food to China. US is a distant second. As far as China importing American petroleum, it's been forsaken for some time. China has big investments in nuclear and hydro and is making fossil fuel deals with fellow forsakers like Iran and Russia.
Didn't bother to read it all did you? And the Chinese imports numbers aren't exactly accurate. They contract for Brazilian agricultural goods, but when Brazil invariably comes up short, they end up buying American goods. Also, even if it is only 10% (which is actually lower than it is) a loss of 10% of agricultural imports will result in pretty dramatic impacts on how much food is available. Furthermore, if the US didn't export to other countries like South Korea and Japan, those countries will be looking for replacements as well, likely from the same fucking countries China is importing from and thus, guess what? China will have an even worse shortage. Fuck, you really are not that smart. The US doesn't have to be the biggest agricultural exporter to China to cause them massive problems if we stopped exporting agricultural goods world wide, because all those other countries we do export to, will have to find new sources and those new sources will be the same ones China is currently supposedly importing from (like I said, they Chinese play games to claim the import less than they actually do from the US).
Another thing is that one of the largest cattle feeders and processors in the US is JBS (Brazilian owned), who transfers a lot of that meat to Brazil and then exports it from Brazil (largely because Brazil produces a lot of beef but the US beef is far higher quality). Mexico does similar. Most hides and offal and tallow from US processors are sold to Mexican companies, who finish processing it and then sell it as Mexican goods but those industries rely on US agriculture for the raw materials.
There also is a lot of third party, and re-exporting of American Agricultural goods that skews the numbers as well.
I'm reminded of the problems Japan faced in defeating China in WWII. They discovered that to defeat China, it was first necessary to defeat the rest of the planet. Now, if the US decided to stop all exports to China, we'd have to stop exporting to every other country in the world.
Who wrote the following "I wonder what would happen if the rest of the world simply forgot about the US. Countries went on selling to other countries enjoying the free market while the US languished in its tariffs. Brexit did nothing for the UK and tariffs will do less for the US."? Oh it was you, I was pointing out exactly what would happen. God you're fucking sophomoric.
Also, that's the point moron. A loss of US agricultural goods globally would cause massive problems world wide. That's the whole fucking point of my original post, that if other countries stopped doing business with the US it will hurt them far more than it hurts us idiot. That's the whole fucking point.
"That's the whole fucking point."
It's not quite the whole point. If the US decided to stop doing business with China, or the rest of the world, it would inevitably hurt America. Especially Americans who are currently doing business with China. Don't you agree? To what end? Why would America want to stop doing business with its biggest customer?
"Who wrote the following "I wonder what would happen if the rest of the world simply forgot about the US. Countries went on selling to other countries enjoying the free market while the US languished in its tariffs. Brexit did nothing for the UK and tariffs will do less for the US."? Oh it was you"
No, it wasn't me. You've confused me for someone else.
Well both of you are idiot leftists who can't read.
And even if you didn't say it, my responses were in response to the OP, so you're question about why the US would do this was still sophomoric and stupid. Also, I will admit I was wrong on who posted it, but in my defense all of you leftist use basically the same ill informed talking points.
"Well both of you are idiot leftists who can't read."
I'm glad we've cleared that up. Are there any other things I haven't written you'd like to rebuke me for?
"Also, I will admit I was wrong on who posted it, but in my defense all of you leftist use basically the same ill informed talking points. "
I forgive you. Measure twice, cut once, as the carpenters say.
"The US doesn't have to be the biggest agricultural exporter to China to cause them massive problems if we stopped exporting agricultural goods world wide,"
You'll have to explain why the US would want to cause massive problems to its overseas markets, or even stop exporting agricultural goods world wide. Is it out of spite? Stupidity? Wouldn't such contempt for your customers send them scrambling to develop new sources, as we've seen with their energy policies?
You're the one who said the world should stop doing business with the US. I was pointing out why that is stupid. Did you forget what you wrote in your original post, moron?
"You're the one who said the world should stop doing business with the US."
No, it wasn't me. It was someone else.
You're the one who wrote the following "I wonder what would happen if the rest of the world simply forgot about the US. Countries went on selling to other countries enjoying the free market while the US languished in its tariffs. Brexit did nothing for the UK and tariffs will do less for the US." I was just telling you what would happen idiot.
"You're the one who wrote the following "I wonder what would happen if the rest of the world simply forgot about the US. Countries went on selling to other countries enjoying the free market while the US languished in its tariffs. Brexit did nothing for the UK and tariffs will do less for the US."
For the third time, no. It was someone else. Please check if you doubt me.
What you fail to recognize is that people today live in a world economy and that will not change. The US is both a large exporter and importer of food products. Farmers depend on world market and if over time those market dry up the US farmer will lose. You may have a short memory and don't remember the farmer welfare payments made to US farmers in the Trump administration as China moved their soybean purchases to other markets. I remember the 1970 when oil exporters began to flex their muscles and began to demand more for their oil. Americans rushed to buy smaller foreign made cars that got better mileage. That has changed American car companies including foreign based American car companies now make better cars that get higher mileage, but still rely on parts made outside the US. That change also took years to accomplish. The US is far better off to embrace the world economy and lead with our strengths, then to spend years trying to build and maintain an isolated economy.
"The US is far better off to embrace the world economy and lead with our strengths, then to spend years trying to build and maintain an isolated economy."
The problem is that for American exceptionalists like Trump, the world outside is viewed with suspicion and contempt.
Except for the fact that Trump does business all over the world. Uses immigrant labor, launders money from Russia, has resorts in UK and elsewhere. Trump words don't really match up with his actions.
"If there was a party simply committed to eliminating regulations, taxes, trade barriers, and so forth that artificially raise prices, I predict it would do very well."
There is such a party. It has not done well.
If that was all the libertarians ever talked about, they’d probably much better. They instead take sides on abortion, culture war issues, immigration, etc. I voted for them until they ran a distinctly unserious candidate for President. I will continue to vote for them in the future.
People used to say the LP shouldn't focus on the Drug War so much. But it's the one area where the LP has had the most success nationally.
I'm shocked, shocked...numbers will be revised down yet again.
"A new report by the Federal Reserve Bank of Philadelphia shows that the Biden-Harris administration’s Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) overestimated employment in 25 states across the country in the second quarter of 2024.
https://pjnewsletter.com/bidens-economic-claims-crush
Like the economist in Michigan who observed the unemployment rose only because fewer people were employed
"The thing I've changed my mind most on in politics in recent years is how destructive bad regulations can be," says New York Times columnist Ezra Klein.
You know it's bad when even a shitlib like Klein is like "oh man these regulations are hurting us"
lol
Remember Superfund?
As a matter of fact I do. It was the biggest assault on property rights in my lifetime before Covid. But all legal, or so I'm told.
Was Superfund a bigger assault that companies that contaminated people's water and land? Maybe the people that lived near Love Canal or in Hinckley California might differ.
Make everything cheaper: cut government spending so taxes won't have to go up later. 10% off the top would be a good start. Much of what the government is doing could be done more efficiently, with far fewer employees. Many other government functions are better off not being done at all. Sharpen the axe, Mr. Musk.
You have it upside down. The starting point should be 90% cuts to fedgov.
I figure 90%+ is what fedgov is doing ILLEGALLY (UN-Constitutionally).
Oh, here's a radical idea: Make a better product at a cheaper price.
Oh, wait.
That makes sense.
What was I thinking?
What corners are you going to cut to make the price cheaper?
The D.C. corner?
And the big 'WHY' is labor cheaper in Mexico???
The shipping certainly couldn't be cheaper or could it?
Oh yeah...
ZERO-Tax for imports.
ZERO (subsidized) shipping for imports.
That's how.
Imports are those *special* products.
Domestic are those *bad* products.
> Yesterday, New York Gov. Kathy Hochul signed the Climate Change Superfund Act into law. The act would force fossil fuel energy companies to pay into a fund to offset the cost of expensive weather damage.
I wonder when companies will quit kowtowing to this kind of bullshit and simply pull out of states that do this kind of thing...
Phrased correctly, "The Gov-Guns must STEAL from those 'icky' people to fund MORE 'Guns' against those 'icky' people but [WE]'ll just pretend [OUR] 'Guns' control the weather so no-one will be the wiser."
Bow down and worship your Gov-Gods packing Guns against you! /s
Or the Sun-Gods in D.C. will deliver a wrath of deadly weather because you made what plants need (CO2).
Just realized: Chase Oliver garnered less than 700,000 votes nationally. RFK beat him nationally, and he endorsed Trump and dropped out of the race.
That follows Jo Jorgensen running a bad campaign and hitting over a million.
Good choice, Libertarian Party.
dam.....precisely. The LP has strayed far from it's ideals, and it shows.
"The LP has strayed far from it's ideals,"
I have no problem with the LP. Its lack of success comes from the country straying from the Liberalism that gave the nation its foundations.