Kash Patel's QAnon Dalliances Reflect an Outlook That Pits Trump Against Evil Conspirators
The president-elect's pick for FBI director says he rejects some of the right-wing sect's bizarre beliefs but agrees with "a lot of what the movement says."

If the Senate confirms Kash Patel as President-elect Donald Trump's FBI director, perhaps he will get to the bottom of an international conspiracy involving "a secret cabal of Satan-worshipping pedophiles who are abducting, abusing, and ritualistically murdering children by the thousands." Or so QAnon followers, whose bizarre beliefs are guided by the oracular posts of one or more individuals dubbed "Q," might hope, given Patel's overtures to them.
Patel, for his part, says he "disagree[s] with a lot of what that movement says." He nevertheless sees it as an important component of the MAGA constituency, has appeared on many pro-QAnon shows, and has promoted the sect in social media posts.
Patel's attitude is perhaps not surprising, since QAnon depicts Trump as a savior battling the forces of evil that comprise the "deep state," which allegedly includes prominent Democrats, Hollywood honchos, the news media, and other left-leaning organizations. Shorn of its most outlandish elements, that is essentially the story Patel tells in his 2023 book Government Gangsters, which describes a "Deep State" conspiracy against Trump that Patel equates with a scheme to subvert democracy and the Constitution.
"The Q thing is a movement," Patel told podcast host Mary Grace in November 2022. "A lot of people attach themselves to it. I disagree with a lot of what that movement says, but I agree with a lot of what that movement says."
Patel took a similar position during a June 2020 interview with BardsFM. "I agree with some of what he does, and I disagree with some of what he does," he said, referring to the pseudonymous source of QAnon theories. "If it allows people to gather and focus on the truth and the facts, I'm all for it."
When a Patriot Party News host asserted, during a June 2022 show, that "Q has been so right about so many things," Patel concurred. "I agree with you," he said. "He has. And you've got to harness that following that Q has garnered and just sort of tweak it a little bit. That's all I'm saying. He should get credit for all of the things he has accomplished, because it's hard to establish a movement."
The minor tweaks that Patel had in mind presumably would include ditching claims such as the fictitious video that supposedly showed Hillary Clinton and her aide Huma Abedin "ripping off a child's face and wearing it as a mask before drinking the child's blood in a Satanic ritual sacrifice." Patel might also want to excise the belief that Trump, by sipping from a water bottle during a speech in his first year as president, was displaying "a secret sign that he [was] about to bring down an elite child sex-trafficking ring." Come to think of it, that whole idea of an "elite child sex-trafficking ring" run by progressive Satanists, which is central to QAnon teachings, might have to go.
Such quibbles did not stop Patel from effusively praising his hosts during a September 2022 appearance on The MG Show, a QAnon podcast. "You guys are the best," Patel said. "I love being on your program." What makes them "the best," it seems clear, is that they have the right enemies, who are for the most part the same nemeses that Patel identifies in Government Gangsters.
That book includes a 60-name list of current and former government officials, ranging from President Joe Biden to disaffected Trump appointees such as former Attorney General Bill Barr, whom Patel identifies as part of the "Deep State," meaning they have committed unspecified "crimes" as "conspirators" bent on opposing Trump's agenda, which Patel conflates with the fate of the republic. Patel notes that the list is limited to people who have served in the executive branch, so it does not include "other corrupt actors of the highest order," such as Rep. Adam Schiff (D–Calif.), Rep. Eric Swalwell (D–Calif.), and "the entire fake news mafia press corps."
Notwithstanding the overlap between QAnon and the MAGA movement, a reasonably prudent Trump supporter might be leery of allying himself with people who espouse flagrantly loony ideas about how the world works. In 2018, NBC News (part of the "Deep State," as Patel defines it) reported that moderators of a pro-Trump Reddit message board had "banned Qanon posts and automatically delete any new posts about the theory," which "they now view as an embarrassment to their community."
The story cited other signs of right-wing discomfort with QAnon. "Rick Wiles, host of the Christian survivalist radio show 'Trunews,' recently called Qanon 'a big lie,'" NBC News noted. "Evangelical preacher Lance Wallanau, who recently called Rush Limbaugh a 'secular prophet,' said people need to be 'a special kind of dumb' to believe the theory." Cartoonist Scott Adams, "an outspoken Trump supporter," warned that QAnon was making MAGA advocates look like "a bunch of idiots." Even Infowars founder Alex Jones, who "once promoted the theory," had told listeners they should "stick a fork in the avatar of Qanon," which he said "is now an overrun disinformation fount."
Although Patel likewise says he does not buy everything QAnon is selling (just "a lot" of it), he has been much less reluctant to welcome its adherents into the fold. In June 2022, Patel, who serves on the board of the Trump Media & Technology Group, which owns Truth Social, said the platform aimed to "incorporate" QAnon "into our overall messaging scheme to capture audiences."
That goal is consistent with Patel's appearances on podcasts like The MG Show and with his Truth Social shout-outs to QAnon. "Having a beer with @Q right now…" Patel said in a February 2022 post, referring to the author of that Truth Social account. That July, he posted a self-valorizing "Fight With Kash" image that included a flaming Q symbol.
A recent CNN report highlighted Patel's dalliances with QAnon, including his chumminess with The MG Show. This week, MG Show hosts Jeffrey Pedersen and Shannon Townsend decried "the failed attempt by CNN to paint Kash Patel as a QAnon figure." But last week, they welcomed "the exciting news of Kash Patel's excellent nomination to the FBI," noting that Q had singled him out as "a name to remember" in a 2018 post.
Since Patel has repeatedly expressed reservations about QAnon beliefs, it would not be accurate to describe him as "a QAnon figure." Still, it would be fair to say he has expressed admiration for that movement, and QAnon devotees have reciprocated the sentiment. The basis for this affinity is a shared allegiance to Trump and a similar Manichean outlook that divides the world between noble Trump supporters and malevolent critics whose opposition to him counts as prima facie evidence of their involvement in a criminal conspiracy that supposedly cries out for investigation and prosecution.
A Patel spokesperson called the CNN report "a pathetic attempt at guilt by association." But the association in this case is one that Patel deliberately and repeatedly chose, which does not reflect well on the judgment of the man that Trump thinks should run the federal government's chief law enforcement agency. And the reason for that association is even more troubling for anyone who expects a man in that position to be guided by basic principles of justice and respect for the rule of law.
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Lol.
Reasons blueAnon king lashes out.
Fuck off Sullum.
Holy shit. I don't usually bother clicking links here, but what he references are all insane left sources.
Qanon had some things that were true or close enough to being accurate. Most of what I was hearing after the first couple weeks of qanon were blatantly silly conspiracy theories with little to rationalize it. I also don't think a lot of things being attributed to it came from the same source.
Dumb smear article that never even attempts to consider whether there were accurate things that came out of qanon.
How much of what was said about qanon was actually them originally and how much was picked up by malicious media misreporting picked up by them or not?
There are lots of stupid people out there in every camp so finding a few with wacky ideas is easy if you're trying.
Not to mention documented, full on "Two weeks to flatten the curve." and "The only way to treat the known-transient condition of gender dysphoria is amputation of the genitals followed by chemical castration."
Every five year old kid knows what is best.
Medical experts around the world are telling you to neuter your children to prevent them from committing suicide and to wear a paper mask and stand 6 ft. apart to prevent the deadliest pandemic in human history from wiping out humanity, going so far as to actually change definitions in the dictionary, prescribe kids hormone blockers, and maybe mandate vaccines and vaccine passports... but really it's those Qanon guys on the internet that think Hollywood and/or Washington might have an inordinate number of pedophiles that are the real kooks.
That was kinda my understanding of the whole thing. The initial stuff I heard made sense and eventually there was other reporting confirming it. Once the media took notice what I heard was MAGA wishful thinking (and in fairness, I did know one Trump supporter who repeated the crackpot stuff.) I don't know or care where it originally came from, but only encountered it through secondary sources and saw dishonest smears to discredit it.
Im a convicted rapist
Holy shit. I don't usually bother clicking links here, but what he references are all insane left sources.
Qanon had some things that were true or close enough to being accurate.
Blueanon is going to Blueanon.
Pauses to unzip lips of his human mask , and sink reptilian fangs into head off of baby flying squirrel from Frostbite Falls, Minnesota.
“ Qanon had some things that were true or close enough to being accurate”
Which part of “Trump is fighting a conspiracy of liberal Satan-worshipping pedophiles sacrificing children to harvest adrenichrome” is “true or close enough to being accurate”?
The part that goes "biden is senile", "Kalamity is unfit to be President", "minor children don't benefit from mutilation", and a host of other sensible positions sullum has declared against by allying himself with anti-Trumpers.
Or doesn't guilt by association work both ways?
Yes, LOL.
A sane person might have chance to stop and think, "You know, maybe my ranting and raving about Project 2025 and pedophile ring conspiracy theories on the internet is a key component of what got Trump elected."?
Sullum either didn't stop and think or he did, shrugged, and said "Nah." and returned to screeching like a monkey.
I do like use of the term "sect". The Deep State isn't real and Antifa is more of an idea about how to mostly peacefully conduct society but Qanon is clearly "a distinct unit within a larger group by virtue of certain refinements or distinctions of belief or practice".
If it weren't for the dishonesty and double-standards the magazine regularly put out, they wouldn't have any standards at all.
Sullum is the ‘BlueAnon’ person?
That fits.
Is there a Democrat conspiracy he hasn't fully bought into?
Sullum was certain there was some true scenario where George Zimmerman stalked, attacked and murdered Trayvon Martin. The columns were bizarre speculations of "here's what I think could have happened" w/o any basis in facts or evidence.
I forgot about Zimmerman. Everyone really should assume that whatever the corporate news says is the opposite of the truth and work from there.
If he crushes the FBI to dust and scatters it to the winds, he can be a delusional flat earther for all i care.
He can’t dismantle the FBI and use it against his enemies at the same time, so you shouldn’t hold your breath.
Always imagining what your enemies will do, never recognizing your democrats are doing it while you gleefully cheer.
Never will you support holding government actors responsible for abusing their powers, if on the left or d.c. bureaucrats.
Yet tomorrow you'll pretend to be anti government. It is just weird.
How dare Patel point out democrats who abused their power. Sarc won't stand for it.
You really are a simpleton.
"He can’t dismantle the FBI and use it against his enemies at the same time"
Sarckles thinks Trump is a Democrat. When Trump doesn't turn out to be Hitler or even a Joe, Sarc is going to be so devastated.
Wouldn't dismantling the FBI be a potentially devastating strike against his 'enemies'?
JS;dr
Same.
Same.
Ditto.
Yup.
Lol. I thought I was the only one.
What is this js you speak of?
Deet deet
message sent.
Actually, this is one of the few that I did read. I’ve read very little about Q, and I’m guessing that there are gross exaggerations coming from both sides here, but I do find it interesting that a high profile figure, (with investigative powers) has kinda, sorta embraced it.
Fuck it, let’s see where this goes.
See my comments below. Q appears to have been a highly placed party on the military side of the Intelligence Community, likely either with the NSA, or with good access to their databases. Little, if anything, he ever posted was ever debunked, and much of it was ultimately corroborated, in particular, by the DOJ IG and two Special Counsels. The Anons were the crowd sourcers, so, by necessity, much of what they said was a bit crazy. It was speculation, trying to piece together the story from what Q disclosed, as well as public knowledge. Q and his Anons are routinely lumped together by Dems and the left in order to make it all sound like crazy talk. It wasn’t. Q disclosed major scandals, esp in the FBI and DOJ. And his Anons were involved in crowd sourced spitballing from what Q disclosed.
That is not at all what QAnon and Q have espoused. The whole Satan worshipping pedophile thing is front and center of his movement.
One of the things about Qanon: in the time since it first appeared, there really does seem to be pedophilia going on with the elites at a much greater level than previously thought.
Like the Alex Jones rant about chemicals turning the frogs gay, while not wholly accurate, the gist of the rant is not wholly inaccurate either. They were in fact creating hermaphroditic frogs through chemical runoff.
In other words, JS once again seems more than eager to spew Team Blue talking points without ever engaging with whether there are some real issues being neglected.
Like the Alex Jones rant about chemicals turning the frogs gay, while not wholly accurate, the gist of the rant is not wholly inaccurate either. They were in fact creating hermaphroditic frogs through chemical runoff.
The problem with conspiracy thinking is not that it leads people to come with batshit crazy nonsense that is easily and definitively disproved. It is that it takes something factual that makes its way into public awareness and runs with it without bothering to justify any extrapolations with reliable evidence. But really, this gets the cause and effect relationship backwards. A conspiracy theory does not start with some piece of reliable fact and then take a turn to the bizarre. It starts with feelings that something is just...not...right. Then, it is a matter of finding out what that is.
https://lifehacker.com/how-to-spot-a-conspiracy-theory-1843463080
What about the conspiracies you accept that lead you to believe government should have killed all J6 protestors?
What about the conspiracies you accept that lead you to believe government should have killed all J6 protestors?
Making up more things I never said? I suppose you're taking your cues on how to reply to me from my comment section stalker, Sevo. I've had him muted since they put in that feature, but I still see what he posts if I'm not logged in when I open a page. He's apparently been posting the exact same thing under everything I write here for something like 2+ years. That's an impressive level of obsession to have something ready to copy and paste like that.
Psst. Right below.
Yes. He posted you justifying murder of J6 protestors.
To remind you, since you seem to have forgotten what you just wrote: You just said that I believe that "the government should have killed all J6 protestors" [emphasis mine]. That goes even further than what Sevo says, and it is completely made up out of thin air. But hey, you do you.
Sevo keeps up his copy/paste obsession because I point out that the circumstances that lead to Ashli Babbitt's death after being shot by a Capitol Police officer are not best described as murder. I once asked Sevo if he should refrain from shooting at the first person to try and come through his front door while a dozen other people behind that one are ready to come in and possibly attack his family. Oh, and while he doesn't see any weapons, he can't be sure that none of those people have one. He never answered that hypothetical or otherwise addressed the fact that there were two or three officers on that side of the barricade, dozens of lawmakers and their staff behind them, and dozens of "protesters" behind Babbitt that may or may not have been armed. (By the way, Ashli Babbitt did have a tactical folding knife in her pocket when she died.) Or that the officers had no way of knowing their intentions toward the people they had a duty to protect. Neither Sevo nor anyone else that calls Ashli Babbitt's death murder has ever answered when I ask what the officers should have done instead of what they did.
It is also a sign of conspiracy thinking when the same people that decry what happened to Babbitt defend the actions of George Zimmerman, Danny Penny, and the officers involved in all of the controversial cases where a black suspect died at their hands. They don't see the contradictions in doing that.
^This steaming pile of lefty shit promotes murder by government agents to prevent something or other:
JasonT20
February.6.2022 at 6:02 pm
“How many officers were there to stop Ashlee Babbitt and the dozens of people behind her from getting into the legislative chamber to do who knows what?...”
FOAD, asshole.
"it leads people to come with batshit crazy nonsense that is easily and definitively disproved."
Such as?
Little if anything that Q ever disclosed was ever debunked, and much of it was ultimately corroborated by, among other things a DOJ IG and two Special Counsel investigations.
"fake but accurate"
Unlike your posts. Which are fake, but inaccurate.
chemjeff radical fascist, inaccurately fake.
You've got the self awareness of Sarc.
Imprecise but accurate would be more...accurate. The issue is that the reaction isn't:
"I don't think that's accurate, here's why it's wrong."
It's:
"Crazy conspiracy theorist ULTRA MAGA white supremecist! Ignore everything he just said"
Meanwhile we now know there's a bunch of rich and powerful people at a minimum fucking children, with some doing worse. And a whole lot of people like you are really going out of your way to stop people from talking about or doing anything about it.
Lying Jeffy will tell you Epstein killed himself. Now ask yourself why?
"One of the things about Qanon: in the time since it first appeared, there really does seem to be pedophilia going on with the elites at a much greater level than previously thought."
This is really the most important issue of the topic. Good gage for people's morals too.
Itnis why Jeff is obsessed with qanon. He wants to make sure he can molest kids in peace until he can join democrats in gaining acceptance.
One of the things about Qanon: in the time since it first appeared, there really does seem to be pedophilia going on with the elites at a much greater level than previously thought
Haha, that's just kooky. Next you're going to tell me there was some sort of well placed pedophile pimp with a secret island who would fly in rich, powerful and famous guests to bang underage girls there.
Loooney...
TRUMPSAID IMPURE BLOOD!
Remember in July of 2001 when Alex Jones had the crazy conspiricy that there would be a terrorist attack in New your most likely the world trade centers, and the deep state would blame a guy named ossama bin laden, and that would be a pretense to take away rights?
Glad that never happened
For fuck's sakes. Qanon is now a "right wing sect"? Do they have secret rituals in the woods, lick frogs and dance naked around bonfires? I don't seem to recall this jackass describing BLM or Antifa as "left wing sects". Why is that, Jacob?
Do they have secret rituals in the woods, lick frogs and dance naked around bonfires?
They wouldn't dream of appropriating the WEF's culture like that, I'm sure.
-jcr
+1 Burning Man is just, like, a formless transcendental social experience, The Deep State is more theory than actual conspiracy, and Fauci and Climate science are more ethos than anything, but Qanon isn't just some abstract clump of cells to be ground up and discarded. Qanon is more real than the NAACP or the WNBA.
For fuck's sakes. Qanon is now a "right wing sect"?
It always was, you dumbass.
QAnon claims that only Trump can save the country from the globalist pedophile monsters.
No liberal ever said that.
Hey cunt, YOU are a globalist pedophilic monster.
The lack of self awareness by Pluggo is always astonishing. There's not a day he's not plumping here for the Davos crowd, and he got his original handle banned for posting child porn, but here he is casting stones from his glass house.
You also have the self awareness of Sarc, dipshit.
turd, the TDS-addled ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
you missed the point, retard.
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/4281822/posts
bro I'm trying to get out of here you can't drop nonsense articles @4:45 it's totes unfair
lol
Interesting and informative article. Can definitely see why Trump defenders would rather attack the author than comment on what he wrote.
He’s a deranged, moronic liar? Like you.
Please tell us what you found enlightening. Besides your shared hate of non democrats.
You are also one of the BlueAnon who has pushed every false narrative here for a decade. Is that why you find commonality?
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If he crushes the FBI to dust and scatters it to the winds, he can be a delusional flat earther for all i care.
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One of the things about Qanon: in the time since it first appeared, there really does seem to be pedophilia going on with the elites at a much greater level than previously thought.
Like the Alex Jones rant about chemicals turning the frogs gay, while not wholly accurate, the gist of the rant is not wholly inaccurate either. They were in fact creating hermaphroditic frogs through chemical runoff.
In other words, JS once again seems more than eager to spew Team Blue talking points without ever engaging with whether there are some real issues being neglected.
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For fuck's sakes. Qanon is now a "right wing sect"? Do they have secret rituals in the woods, lick frogs and dance naked around bonfires? I don't seem to recall this jackass describing BLM or Antifa as "left wing sects". Why is that, Jacob?
3 of the first 5 OPs were directly related to what Sullum wrote. Sarc responded to none of them before posting this.
Patel's attitude is perhaps not surprising, since QAnon depicts Trump as a savior battling the forces of evil that comprise the "deep state,
It's pretty odd Sulum feels it necessary to portray a long-time complaint of libertarians - that government bureaucrats run their organizations primarily for the benefit of themselves - as a conspiracy theory. I guess when you're attacking you have to bring all your weapons, even those that demonstrate you're not much of a libertarian.
There’s already a term for self serving bureaucracies being resistant to change: bureaucratic inertia.
Deep state is interpreted to be something sinister and nefarious. If all it means is something that already has a name then why make it sound like evil men twirling their long mustaches?
Inertia does not encompass what the Deep State does, the term means lazy or difficult to change. But in reality the Deep State is actively corrupt including as a key contributor in the Russian Collusion and Hunter Biden Laptop hoaxes.
It's interesting we have many terms which substantially overlap, including Trumpists and MAGAs to pick one example. But as usual jeffsarc tries to frame this naturally occurring phenomenon as inherently illegitimate because his only priority is attacking and in that mode he never stops to consider whether his attack is reasonable or not.
So it is sinister anti-Trump conspiracy run by evil mustache-twirling men.
It is as I described, interested in protecting and empowering itself. It's revealing you keep trying to define it in some way you can attack, like Sullum showing you're not much of a libertarian.
Obviously everyone understands Dems empower the Deep State in exchange for votes so they understood it was in their interest to oppose Trump. Now that has ratcheted up as his reaction to their attacks makes him their most severe threat in at least decades and maybe ever.
Bureaucratic inertia is not a nefarious plot. It’s just a bunch of otherwise unemployable government drones trying to keep their jobs. And it’s no surprise that they support the party of big government instead of people who call them names, accuse them of political crimes, and promise to get revenge upon them.
People are self interested.
And it’s no surprise that they support the party of big government instead of people who call them names, accuse them of political crimes, and promise to get revenge upon them.
Look at jeffsarc trying to (mis)frame the issue to defend the Deep State. He's nothing if not predictable. Note how empathetic he pretends to be here, then compare that to how he is intentionally offensive to conservatives. But when it comes to other left wingers we can't point out the truth lest it upset them. I wonder why the jeffsarcs are so concerned about the left and only the left.
Bureaucratic inertia may not be a nefarious plot, but knowingly signing a document misleading the public that Hunter's Laptop was Russian disinformation was. Selectively leaking information your media allies can portray as supporting the Steele Dossier was. Coercing tech companies into censoring information damaging to your chosen team is. That's why "bureaucratic inertia" does not accurately describe the Deep State which is exactly the point I made originally. Note how he eventually admits he agrees but only after trying to protect the team by distracting the discussion into irrelevancies first.
And see this is where you want to pretend to be libertarian, pretend to be against bureaucracy, but do your damn best not to put it on democrats or admit they act politically.
Despite hundreds of stories the last 10 years. Despite them admitting it. Despite d.c. being 90% democrats. Despite them admitting on video funding Dem linked NGOs. Despite Obama pushing civil earnings to liberal groups.
You're not libertarian. You pretend to be but as soon as the left gets any blame you deny.
It stops being inertia when they continue to attack political opposition. From Flynn, to Jones, to Trump, to debanking, to IRS audits.
You want to pretend it is all happy accidents. All so you don't have to admit to being a leftist staytst fuck. Why you demand no accountability for their bad acts.
Damn you're dumb. Did you even comprehend half of what he just said?
Sarc: It's bureaucratic inertia. Here's what bureaucratic inertia is.
Marshal: That's not what we're talking about. We're talking about this...
Sarc: That's not what bureaucratic inertia means.
"And it’s no surprise that they support the party of big government instead of people who call them names, accuse them of political crimes, and promise to get revenge upon them."
What came first, bureaucrats being democrats, or populist republicans calling them names, accusing them or political crimes, and promising to get revenge upon them?
Because I'm pretty sure the first one has been all of my adult life, and the next three started about 5 year ago. Not only is sarc too stupid to confuse correlation with causation, he tries to use backward correlation to prove causation. Or maybe he's just a incoherent drunk asshole?
Are you truly this partisan and retarded? They openly brag about it dumbass.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/16/us/politics/trump-2025-democratic-resistance.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/18/opinion/trump-resistance.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/05/opinion/trump-white-house-anonymous-resistance.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/10/opinion/anonymous-oped-senior-official-trump-adminimstration-reaction.html
You truly are a special type of leftist retard. Lol.
Lol. And now you protect them eveb on descriptions. Don't hold them accountable. Don't call them the deep state.
Even when we have an active The Resistance. Even when thr government targets political enemies. Even when the first impeachment is based on State disagreeing with Trump.
How are you not a pro dem government lapdog again?
Dont say deep state!!!
https://reason.com/2013/07/02/scandals-at-nsa-and-irs-are-equally-alar/
https://reason.com/2011/05/25/pakistans-deep-state-and-a-big/
https://reason.com/2013/09/10/against-assad-and-against-intervention/
https://reason.com/2015/01/22/who-will-keep-our-freedoms-safe/
https://reason.com/2016/11/06/the-worst-of-election-2016-it-will-settl/
This isn't some new term for libertarians. But democrats who want to defend bureaucracy hate the term. Each article uses deep state. But you refuse to even admit it exists.
Again. This is the leftist pretending to be a libertarian argument you make. Instead of recognizing the abuse and politics of the federal government, you demand nobody notice it.
You're a leftist.
Those articles have nothing to do with each other.
-- retards
Sarc won't even click to see they all use the term deep state.
There's a lot more than bureaucratic inertia here I think. You don't think that the IC and other parts of the government have their own agendas that they will defend regardless of what the elected government actually wants?
What the fuck ever.
Worst case scenario is that he finds nothing.
The best case case is that pedophilia is indeed a 10% preference across the entire population (as Q would have to be in order to be true). In this case, civilization ends, as civil war is unavoidable.
Much higher in certain demographics it seems...but old Jake isn't about to say that is he? Maybe it if was Catholics..then Reason would be all over it huh?
Well, Catholic priests, (former) Florida Republican Representatives, the Boy Scouts, and conservative think tanks have an unusually high level of pedophilia. But you may not want to call out your allies just as you take power.
Worst case scenario is that he finds nothing.
If he finds nothing, that will be taken as evidence that the pedophilia ring (and other QAnon conspiracy rubblsh) was effective at covering up. Conspiracy thinking doesn't take the absence of evidence as proof that there is no conspiracy. Instead, it becomes confirmation of it.
Yeah. Shrike is BlueAnon.
Tell us again about Epstein, SRG2.
Now that Matt Gaetz is out of the picture, I guess Kash Patel is the new target.
The target is any and all Trump appointees. The press will do whatever it can to smear them, and only people suffering with an AOC-level IQ will buy it, but just about all the lefturds will pretend to and will parrot this shit for years.
-jcr
Nah, there are two good ones. Scott Bessent and the FDA guy.
The others are all misfits.
Pete - the frat-boy Neo-Nazi has no chance.
Can you imagine needing the Def Secretary at 3am and told he was drunk out of his mind raping his date?
Please explain for the sake of the commentariat how you managed to get your original account permabanned.
turd, the ass-wipe of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Pete - the frat-boy Neo-Nazi
Leftists slander people without a second thought. Everything for the party, right shrike?
Turd lies; take it to the bank.
"Can you imagine needing the Def Secretary at 3am and told he was drunk out of his mind raping his date?"
Can you imagine the pedo slimy pile of left shit not lying? I can't.
The good news is that now of there is to ba a civil war, the good guys are in control, instead of the democrats.
Amd yes, I use the term ‘good guys’ loosely. But it’s a lot bette than Harris and her puppeteers being in charge.
Sarc... jeff... shrike... estimate of Aoc level IQ checks out.
that supposedly showed Hillary Clinton and her aide Huma Abedin "ripping off a child's face and wearing it as a mask before drinking the child's blood in a Satanic ritual sacrifice."
Wow, this is nuttier than your typical wingnut bullshit.
I'm sure that our Trump Cult at H&R believe it.
Your anti Trump cult believes a lot of shit that sum h wackier than that about him. Which includes a lot of mainstream democrats.
So fuck off.
I mean the plethora of pedophilia being exposed is all fake.
Why do you pedos always pretend you aren't doing shit?
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
I'm super shocked the guy who's first account was banned posted this.
The cultural marxists at Reason defending pedo's and degenerates isn't suprising. The "cuties" crowd always makes excuses for the Diddy's and Weinsteins and Epstein's don't they? Hmmm...
To say nothing of the fact that they won't admit when it all tracks.
Not so long ago, I was accused of wearing tin foil for asserting that COVID was a China-made virus, and for disagreeing about masks and social distancing and the COVID vaccine and its 91,000 required boosters and its side effects. Turns out I wasn't the crazy one.
Not so long ago, I was accused of wearing tin foil for accusing the LGBT of being an instrument for normalizing pedophilia and child abuse. Turns out I wasn't the crazy one.
Not so long ago, I was accused of wearing tin foil and accused of peddling fake news for pretending that Hunter Biden didn't deserve a little scrutiny (both for being an obvious crackhead and for having some questionable international relationships). Turns out I wasn't the crazy one.
Not so long ago, I was called a racist for pointing out that BLM was a racist grifter-scam, and that environmentalism was a fear-mongering cult that cares less about the environment and more about dictating the actions of individuals. Hey, look that that - correct on both counts.
Funny how all these "conspiracy theories" among the right keep turning out to have legs.
You will need new conspiracy theories soon. All the old ones are now true.
Sure, if by “true” you mean “still complete bullshit”. Then they were totally true.
While I doubt they are ritually sacrificing them in Satanic rituals, I do think it's pretty likely a lot of politicians and "elites" are into pedophilia and there are organized rings to help facilitate this.
You know, like Jeffrey Epstein? We know that existed, and we know there is a cover up, as we haven't had the client list released or anyone prosecuted.
"...Patel, for his part, says he "disagree[s] with a lot of what that movement says."..."
Neither this nor the lack of any actions by Patel prevent the asshole Sullum from once again proving he is a TDS-addled slimy pile of shit who should fuck off and die.
I think Jakey Jakey News is Fakey is entering the third stage.
QAnon is a whacked-out group of conspiracy theories adhered to by whacked-out loons. As it appears they support Trump and abhor Hillary, they must be taken as right-wing, given the Great Redefining.
And of course, our right-wing posters here have a problem - to reject QAnon is to cast doubt on the wisdom of nominating Trash Patel to head the FBI. You wouldn't want a flat-earther running, say, NASA.
No wonder so many posters prefer instead to attack Sullum, and whine about his sources, rather than address the real issue, namely that the nominee to head the FBI is a conspiracy nut.
SRG is a slimy pile of TDS addled of shit, not willing to dealing with reality.
Fuck off and die, asshole.
A flat earther as head of NASA might accomplish about as much as it currently does.
This is very much like how Hunter’s laptop was handled before the 2020 election. The MSM and the Deep State assured us that it was bogus, that it was disinformation, etc. Turns out that it wasn’t. It was real. We had a coke head foreign influence peddler getting a permanent room in the White House, and he was the family bagman, passing on bribes from foreign countries to his family, including to his father, who ultimately became POTUS partially as a result of this suppression of “disinformation”.
What most did not realize when Trump assumed office was that there was a war going on between segments of our Intelligence Community. Roughly, it broke down to Civilian Intelligence vs Military Intelligence. The CIA had long ago gone rogue. Their fingerprints were all over the place in the Vietnam (and surrounding countries) War, and have been involved in innumerable minor wars and coups ever since. It’s what they do.
But there was another player on the civilian side - DOJ/FBI National Security organizations, created and empowered by the PATRIOT Act, in response to (Clinton’s) Jamie Goerlick’s Wall that may have helped prevent the FBI from using the intelligence it had to prevent 9/11. Especially worrisome are the agencies’ Counterintelligence units (DOJ’s Counterintelligence and Export Control Branch (CECB), and the FBI’s Counterintelligence Division (CD)). They work closely together, and among other things, control the bulk of FISA warrants issued every year.
The power of these two organizations was significantly by Obama era DAG Sally Yates. Among other things, she effectively allowed the FBI to give contractors fairly open access to their NSA database interface. Turns out, some of these contractors were closely tied to Dem organizations, and, yes, were used for political research. Yes. The Obama Administration intentionally facilitated political use of NSA databases, that were sold to the American public as necessary for preventing another 9/11.
The different factions in the Intelligence Community spy on each other, or at least keep an eye on what they are doing. The military side had the advantage of controlling the NSA. And the NSA collects signals intelligence all around the world, and that includes from the civilian side of the IC. Thanks to Obama and Sally Yates, the DOJ and FBI counterintelligence units had been allowed to go off the rails. They interfered with the 2016 election, and then attacked Trump throughout his term in office, and up until his reelection (the FL documents case against him was theirs) last month.
So, back to Q and his Anons. Q (supposedly named for the DOE Q clearance) appears to have been a source on the military side of the IC, likely with good NSA database access, whose mission was to embarrass the civilian side of the IC, and in particular the DOJ’s and FBI’s Counterintelligence units, for their naked partisanship and misuse of their powers. And, back to the Hunter Biden laptop - little, if any, of what Q disclosed was ever debunked, and much of it was eventually corroborated, including exactly how the RussiaGate investigation was started, how it progressed, and why Clinton was never indicted for her numerous Espionage Act felonies with her email server. The Anons were Q’s crowd sourcers, so, much of what they said sounded a bit crazy sometimes, because it involved a lot of speculation.
And that is why the long knives are out for Patel. Thanks to Q, he knows what has been done by these organizations, and by whom. He doesn’t have to just trust the anonymous Q, because eventually much of what Q disclosed was corroborated by the DOJ IG and two Special Counsels. Q just pointed the way.
Reason was out begging for dollars recently. And every time I start to get weak, and think that a couple bucks can’t hurt, I read an article by Sullum or one or two others. And my resolve is renewed.
For real. I can't understand how Kat doesn't see that employing Jake has cost her, and Reason, three times what they might have made in donations otherwise.
I can understand making excuses for well-intentioned (but highly misguided) retards like Emma and ENB and Ceej and some of the others - but Jacob Sullum is straight-up journalistic cancer.
But then, leftists seem to want to look at (social/political/economic/moral) cancer and say, "But what about it's redeeming qualities," instead of just cutting it out of the body completely.
What if you were told that a political campaign paid a foreign intelligence agent for a dossier, recorded the payment as legal expenses, and then admitted this crime to the FEC, paying a fine?
What if you were told that a lawyer for the FBI forged evidence presented to a FISA court to obtain a warrant against someone working in a political campaign?
Would you believe them?
Or, how about both the exoneration of Clinton and the RussiaGate investigation, both being the result of a promise made by one (married) lover to his (also married) paramour?
For those who don't catch the implication - we are talking promises by supervisory FBI Counterintelligence Division agent Peter Strzok, ultimately in charge of both the MidYear Exam (Clinton email) and Crossfire Hurricane (Trump Russian collusion) investigations, to his paramour, Lisa Page, attorney for FBI DD McCabe. She was worried that Clinton might not win, and he responded that they would make sure that she didn’t. The transcripts of that exchange, among many more, were of text messaging exchanges between the two disclosed by Q.
The levels of exacerbation on both sided is astounding. While there is a degree of risk with either Trump or Harris as President, the levels of despair is unreasonable.
The reality is that the "Deep State" is not a collection of rulers, but rather is more of a ideology. It runs far deeper and far more pervasive than most people would believe or admit. There are lots of true believers in our government agencies, but probably not directed from above in some sort of coordinated effort.
With either Trump or Harris, there would likely be some degree of resistance from the "Deep State" ideological followers. Probably more "Deep State" resistance against Trump than Harris, but probably move resistance against Harris than Trump from the common man with the exception of "social elites".
What we have currently is plainly not sustainable. The voters have once again voted for the "change candidate". If Trump does not deliver visible change or overreaches on the social arena, the pendulum will swing again.
Trump does need to selectively nominate chaos agents to disrupt and dislodge the "Deep State" ideological brain freeze from our government agencies and introduce thoughtful and rational debate. Not everything the "Deep State" believes is necessarily bad or evil, but the approach and methods used by the "Deep State" followers are not very democratic and typically quite authoritarian.
It's time for an age of Government reformation. To reflect on what the objectives are and remove conflicting and duplicative efforts. Time to objectively assess if government programs or agencies are necessary, accomplishing it purpose, determine if it's the role of the federal or state, if there is waste or corruption.
If Kash Patel goes off the rails, Trump will remove him and nominate a replacement. Trump has a history of shuffling the deck, which amazingly is similar to the rest of the presidents we have had.
The point is spare us the deranged hysteria. None of us know for certain how things will unfold. The only thing that I'm certain is that biased Trump-Deranged media will over-blow, take out of context, and outright lie like the did last time around.
I'm an independent who didn't vote for Trump (ever), don't like Trump, but can see and dislike the deranged hysteria against Trump. If the idiots in the media were to stop and honestly reflect, it is clear that Trump didn't win the election because of his positions or personality, but largely due to a clear rejection of the deranged hysteria of the media and status quo establishment.
It not rocket science and is clearly obvious. but I doubt that the media will look introspectively and step outside of their biased bubble.
It's not rocket science, and you need to learn the not rocket science:
"...With either Trump or Harris, there would likely be some degree of resistance from the "Deep State" ideological followers."
Bullshit. Harris would be a puppet of Obama for another 4 years, and you can't get more deep state than that.
One more "never-Trumper" ignoramus, too stupid to separate the good from the horrible.
"The reality is that the "Deep State" is not a collection of rulers, but rather is more of a ideology. It runs far deeper and far more pervasive than most people would believe or admit."
This is a good description, but I would also add that it's a culture and a social class.
There's no one éminence grise or shadowy board of elders direct things behind the scenes, but rather a globalist 'nationality' of sorts made of interests as diverse as corporate CEOs, old European aristocrats and the Western governing class acting in its own self interests and feathering its nest at the expense of everyone else.
In other words, the people who tell Sullum what to write are afraid that Kash Patel will release the Epstein client list.
That's not out of bounds by now; there are some frightened swamp critters in DC.
There's no question that pedo rings exist; they occasionally get discovered and their members arrested. Is is too hard to believe that the rich and powerful are involved? Epstien? Diddy? Hello!?