Abolish Borders
If government-drawn lines within your country don't possess some sort of moral magic that voids your rights, why would government-drawn lines between countries?

You've probably moved across state lines at some point in your life. Maybe it was to attend college or take a higher-paying job. Maybe you wanted to live closer to friends and family after having kids or to join a new religious or political community. It could even be as simple as deciding to move from Dallas to Philadelphia because you prefer attending the home games of a successful football team.
No right-minded person would have the government interfere with any of this. If a business offers you a job and you accept, that's between you and the business—not you, the business, and the state. The same goes for buying a house from a willing seller or joining a welcoming religious congregation. To borrow from Robert Nozick, these are "capitalist acts between consenting adults." Granted, these capitalist acts took place across state borders, but so what? The rights to offer and take jobs, buy and sell property, and assemble freely don't depend on your location relative to a government-drawn line.
If government-drawn lines within your country don't possess some sort of moral magic that voids your rights, why would government-drawn lines between countries?
Maybe you think the difference is that free movement within the United States is legal but free movement intothe United States is not. As some say, they support legal immigration but not illegal immigration. I'm not convinced by that. Did you know it's illegal to leave New York with a used burlap bag? I've never heard someone say they support legal used burlap bag transport but oppose illegal used burlap bag transport. Why not? Because it's a bad law. Simply establishing that something is illegal, then, doesn't establish that it's wrong.
Some worry newcomers might have objectionable views, and so allowing free movement into the U.S. could push the country toward worse policies.
For one, there's evidence that increased immigration actually slows the growth of government. But even setting that point aside, you probably don't endorse the general idea of violating rights to reduce the chances of rights violations in the future. You could burglarize your neighbor's house for the money needed to buy a security system that would prevent two burglaries at your home, but most libertarians would balk at this—you'd be violating property rights to protect property rights. Immigrants don't always have libertarian views, but neither do natural-born citizens, so there's no reason to expect this coercive push to promote particular political outcomes to stop at the border.
An increasingly popular objection to open borders starts with the observation that the state may regulate how public property such as roads can be used. So if the state decides to restrict immigrants' access to the roads they need to move about the country, it's within its rights to do so. Even if you're in favor of road privatization, you should still think the state can impose some regulations on the use of public roads in the world we actually live in—for instance, you can't drive the wrong way down a street. That said, the state may not impose whatever regulations it wants; for instance, the regulations shouldn't be needlessly restrictive. Imagine that voters elect leaders so hostile to poetry that they empower the police to stop any car that's found to be transporting a poet on a public road. This policy would be obviously unjust, because it violates private property rights and freedom of association—and the same would be true of state interference with your choice to transport an immigrant in your car on a public road.
Perhaps the most common objection to open borders is that immigrants who consume state benefits will increase citizens' taxes. In short, they say, we can't have open borders with a welfare state.
In fact, the various estimates of the net fiscal impact of immigration are, as the Cato Institute's Alex Nowrasteh once put it, "clustered around zero." In any event, we shouldn't authorize the government to restrict someone's freedom simply because respecting their freedom is costly. We allow people to climb mountains, ride motorcycles, and go BASE jumping. Needless to say, these activities are hazardous and could put someone in a tax-funded hospital. But here we still live and let live. Even if it were the case that respecting your freedom to associate and exchange with immigrants creates a fiscal burden, freedom doesn't end where the welfare state begins.
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One needs to eliminate all social services before doing this. And one still needs to vet that garbage that would cross the border if allowed in unvetted (murderers, rapists, human traffickers - such as the folks that Biden-Harris allowed in).
Of course, otherwise you would have the wrong incentives in place. Amnesty for the decent majority of undocumented immigrants as a one off, secure boarders, measures to control immigration status systematically, no access to benefits (of course with exceptions where necessary or where socially beneficial, such as support for nurses while they secure accreditation), and consequences for crime including automatic deportation for felonies - all are essential elements before immigration can be opened up at scale.
Yet few talk about it that way. Reagan I guess. Yet Americans overwhelmingly recognize the benefits of immigration, and my bet is if we would go through individual cases, most would agree on who should leave and who deserves a chance to stay.
...why would government-drawn lines between countries?
Because they're BETWEEN COUNTRIES, dipshit.
"If government-drawn lines within your country don't possess some sort of moral magic that voids your rights, why would government-drawn lines between countries?"
The argument is based a weird form of provincialism that other countries are based on the same ideals about the proper relationship between the State and citizen as the United States. The reason for freedom of movement in the United States is that the States have a treaty between them that establishes a common law called the Constitution. The US does not have such a treaty and common law with other countries, and even for Western countries the US is exceptional in the freedoms and rights it protects. This argument seems exceptionally naive or wishful thinking.
This is how you know they aren’t serious about any of the “abolish” articles.
It's cute because some of these are on subjects the specific writers have criticized but made no principled arguments against
So you would be good with getting mugged. Why do you draw an arbitrary boundary between you body and a muggers knife?
Just read the bio. The retard is a professor of general business. Meaning he has sucked on the gov teet for his career and has never had a job, or a business. It must be nice to live in such a fantasy world
The problem with abolishing borders is that you're probably not going to like the way those borders get redrawn a year later.
Borders exist because the rest of the world is a hell of a lot less libertarian than us. Borders actually gives us _some_ small opportunity to defend our human rights within those borders. The country to the north of us has a terrible record on freedom of speech, freedom of travel and economic freedom. The country to the south of us has an epidemic of political violence and corruption.
Now you can certainly make those borders less restrictive and still have them. If that's your argument, then make that argument.
So this makes it to the abolish series... but not abolish welfare first. Weird.
Reasonistas
pounceseize the narrative.Abolish locks and doors. What good are they anyway if Tren de Aragua won't be stopped by lines on a map.
If borders are meaningless, why are some bordered areas shit and others more desirable?
If government-drawn lines within your country don't possess some sort of moral magic that voids your rights, why would government-drawn lines between countries?
The Mississippi will absolutely perform the exact same moral magic to deprive you of your rights as the Rio Grande, you dumb fuck.
How about the arbitrary lines delineating what property you own, should we abolish those too? I'm sure there are more families or foreign gangs that could use your home, I'm sure there are others that could benefit from selling your property so fuck those arbitrary lines and deliniations, right comrade.
Or are you just an ignorant Leftist retard with a feeling but no clue what you're actually talking about.
I'd go with that ignorant leftist retard bit. States allow citizens of other states rights by agreement. That agreement doesn't apply across national boundaries or individual property boundaries. It doesn't just happen because states are states.
If I can bench 200 pounds, why can't I bench 500 pounds?
If government-drawn lines within your country don't possess some sort of moral magic that voids your rights, why would government-drawn lines between countries?
This is just plain bullshit. Abolishing all borders would mean abolishing state borders as well, wouldn't it? So then you can't have states like Tennessee and Florida that have zero state income tax, that have different sets of laws. You'd have no city limits, so there's no end to the range at which your property taxes are going to fund NYC schools, because everyone is in the suburbs of NYC.
Property rights are fucking borders, too. I purchased a lot, I have my house on it, and my yard. My neighbor is not entitled to just wander over to my vegetable garden or my greenhouse and pick my cabbages or tomatoes. If you're on my property and I want you gone, you have to go, you don't have freedom of movement to just ride your four-wheeler on past.
Their attempt to get back down to libertarian bonafides apparently involves including some ridiculous strawmen.
Doctrinaire libertarianism IS ridiculous. It can't exist in today's real planet Earth.
No right-minded person would have the government interfere with any of this.
I would if you snuck into my backyard without my permission and decided to live there. I don’t care if it’s for better work opportunity or to be closer to family. I don’t even care if you’re being hunted and killed by your native countrymen and need a place to find sanctuary.
MY backyard. Not yours. Ask for permission.
As far as the ludicrous comparison to interstate travel – yea, here’s the thing. You can do that because we’re not 50 little nations. We’re 50 states belonging to one republic. A United States if you will.
As opposed to other places that are decidedly not the United States.
Some worry newcomers might have objectionable views
Like thinking they’re entitled to enter the country illegally and live here as 24/7 criminals. Yea, I for one object to any border jumping scumbag that does that - and I want him bodily arrested, thrown in front of a kangaroo court that's going to rubber stamp his deportation without even letting him talk, and then parachute him and all his buddies from a cargo container out of a C-5 Galaxy over their country of origin.
Clicking through the "Abolish..." articles I was nodding along thinking there were some good arguments being made. Until this one. I can't even take it seriously. Why aren't borders part of property rights? The United States purchased much of the land from other countries, so how is not their right to establish those boundaries? There was nothing in this article that was even remotely persuasive.
This article must be satire.
Nope. Just a global communist argument thinking it is effectively cosplaying as libertarian.
Back in the day, Ancaps would argue for this shit all the time. In the early 00s, it was actually the far left who problematized migrants because they saw it as cheap slave labor for the billionaires. They ended up being more right, if only by projection.
Then the unholy alliance between corporatists who wanted slaves, and the Open Society/WEF shit trying to break the world kicked the doors in.
I remember arguing for years that “open borders” was a red herring no one was really calling for except for a few kooks. I peddled the Cato/Reason line that it’s really about “immigration reform” and that the fact a wall couldn’t keep everyone out meant there was no point trying to have one.
It took 2020-2021 to rip the veil from my eyes. And show what this was really all about.
If foreign countries citizens want UN-restricted travel they can JOIN the "Union" of States (i.e. United States of America). National sovereignty is the very means to establishing a free-nation you psychotic bafoons.
“why would government-drawn lines between countries?”
Maybe you are using the concept of “borders” differently than I am accustomed to considering them, but I think there is an excellent REASON for establishing borders between countries – namely, declaring the limits of the authority of your government to within those boundaries. The United States should have NO legal authority outside the national borders. That says nothing whatever about people who want to visit the United States, or live or work here.
Well we should certainly abolish the borders to posting content at Reason. What kind of fascist monster would purport to be the worthy arbiter of what is and isn't fit to print?
Can't wait to read tomorrow's lead article, "The Top 10 Reasons Boehm Should Never Go Full Retard (#5 will shock you!)"
This doesn't engage with some additional possible reasons for having sovereign state borders. (1) People need predictability to have confidence to invest in building their lives in a given place. If the place can get overrun at any time by unpredictable numbers of newcomers bringing unpredictable changes, long-term planning and investing becomes harder. (2) Many people are motivated to work for the benefit of "their" group -- e.g. their country. Ideally people would see all humankind as "their" group, but in practice not many people think that way. So having borders artificially creates a group people can feel part of, and through that creates a source of motivation. (3) Logistically, organizing the world by having sovereign countries that meet at the U.N., rather than having an undifferentiated mass of humans, is more practical.
None of these are definitive points, but an argument for open borders should engage with them.
I can only guess the author has bills to pay and a deadline to meet. Why else would he produce such sophomoric blather?
Except that different states in the US DO have differing moral standards as would be obvious to anyone with even a modicum of observational abilities. The most obvious recent example would be Dobbs affect on abortion law. Then there are differing approaches to 2A, marijuana and the definition of marriage. The straw man argument from your Koch sponsors vanishes in a puff of smoke as it crosses this border of logic. Reason is clearly not your strong suit. Perhaps you should find something more productive to do with your time.
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So, Christopher, it would then follow that since your family can move freely between rooms within your home, that strangers should be free to enter your home at anytime, right?
And if strangers are free to use your house, I'm sure you agree that they are free to your eat food, or spend your money, or have your wife.
Your such a generous guy. Not sure your wife would agree, though.
Without borders, there are no countries. Ownership is the ability to limit access to a piece of property you have purchased be it a house or a car. If anyone can just take your car for a spin any time they want, you don’t really own it. We own our country which means we can and should limit who has access to what we have built. The author is also mistaken about state borders. They do affect your rights. You may be able to travel freely but there are plenty of differences. Try to walk down the street with a gun on your hip in New York. Try to buy a $3 gallon of gas in California. Try to find a 30-round magazine Chicago. States impose laws and restrictions on their populace that are not on posed on residents of other states all the time.
Gee, I wonder why no one takes libertarians seriously. Oh wait, let’s write an article suggesting borders don’t exist and equate it to state borders. Yeah, that’s a great example. And entitlements really aren’t a big deal. All the while we literally have thousands of illegals living in Manhattan hotel rooms on the taxpayer dime this very minute. It all sounds (and actually is) stupid.
Maybe a more intelligent, sensible discussion might make sense. Whomever edited this story for reason should be fired. Today.