Will Tim Walz Offer an Affirmative Case for Immigration at Tonight's Debate?
It's easy to snark and mock Donald Trump and J.D. Vance for spreading awful, racist lies. The Democratic ticket should aim to do more.

In the weeks after former President Donald Trump stood on a debate stage and declared (falsely) that Haitian immigrants in Springfield, Ohio, were eating pets, another presidential candidate stood literally and rhetorically with the falsely accused community.
It wasn't Vice President Kamala Harris or her running mate, Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz.
It was Chase Oliver, the Libertarian, who visited Springfield last month to eat, chat, and attend church in the town that was unwillingly thrust into the center ring of this stupid political circus thanks to a missing cat (that was later found alive), a bunch of social media post, a literal Nazi, and then the likes of Trump and Sen. J.D. Vance (R–Ohio).
"It is clear that this is a city suffering a trauma brought on by false social media posts and a GOP candidate who was happy to stoke those flames of division," Oliver told Reason. "The people are tired and didn't deserve all of this unwanted attention brought on by rumor, speculation, and bigotry toward immigrants."
Oliver's response to the controversy in Springfield has been markedly different from what Harris and Walz have done—and the difference matters.
Yes, Harris did a fine enough job of laughing at Trump's absurd claims when the two candidates faced one another at that debate last month. In the weeks since then, however, Harris has missed an opportunity to do what Oliver has done. It's one thing to attack Trump and Vance for being deliberately unhinged from reality (which they are). It's quite another to make an affirmative case about the importance of immigration and the fundamental value of immigrants as human beings.
Tonight's debate between Walz and Vance will offer another opportunity for that to happen—because we will almost certainly be treated to another round of discussion about the Haitians in Springfield, and about immigration in general.
When that discussion inevitably occurs, I'll be watching to see how Walz handles it. Can he move beyond the snark and mockery of Vance's absurd claims? Will he make a real defense of immigration and of the temporary protected status (TPS) program that allows Haitians to come here to work, legally, and that Vance says should be abolished?
To be clear, there is a wide gap between what Trump and Harris are promising to do with regard to immigration. Trump wants "the largest deportation operation in American history" and has threatened to end birthright citizenship (which would be almost impossible to do since it would require amending the Constitution).
Harris used to support decriminalizing border crossings, but she's now flip-flopped toward what might be called a kinder, gentler immigration restrictionism. She would expand a Biden administration executive action that limits asylum to make it more restrictive and would "ramp up prosecutions of those who illegally cross the border," Axios reported last week.
And, yes, she goes through the motions when it comes to immigration. The son of a Mexican immigrant introduced Harris at her rally in Las Vegas this weekend, and Harris of course uttered the usual rhetoric about the importance of immigrants in American culture.
Politically, being less willing to spread wild lies and having a less harsh immigration plan than Trump might be all that Harris needs. Indeed, much of the Harris/Walz campaign is premised on the idea that Trump and Vance are dangerously unelectable and that the Democratic ticket is therefore the only viable alternative.
In doing so, Harris and Walz are merely following the polls. There's been a sharp drop in the number of Americans who support higher levels of immigration in recent years. That likely reflects both recent economic issues and the effectiveness of Republican messaging on immigration.
On important issues, leadership requires an attempt to change public opinion—rather than being led by it. Being less authoritarian than Trump and Vance might be good enough to win the election, but it's a strategy that effectively surrenders immigration policy to the Republican Party (and to Trump) in the long run. It's a strategy that signals to all Americans that a restrictionist approach is the only way forward—and that the only debate ought to be over how best to impose those restrictions. That will only tie Harris' hands in the event that she wins.
And it's just wrong. Maybe not as wrong as spreading vile lies about Haitian immigrants eating pets, but still wrong. Immigration is one of America's strengths, and it always has been.
Harris and Walz don't have to go all-in on solving the asylum crisis or decriminalizing the nonviolent act of crossing the border. Let's start small. Talk about why immigration is good! Talk about how the Haitians in Springfield have helped the town. Talk about why the TPS is important, and why Vance is wrong to liken it to illegal immigration. Talk about how immigrants are less likely to commit crimes and more likely to start businesses relative to native-born Americans. Talk about how legal immigration will shore-up Social Security and reduce the federal budget deficit. Take a page out of Oliver's campaign and actually show up to defend the targets of Trump's and Vance's bigoted attacks.
America deserves a major party presidential candidate who will make this argument, or else the country will never escape this immigration policy doom loop.
Walz will have a chance to reframe the debate tonight, and his choice in that moment—a choice that will reflect days if not weeks of preparation from the campaign—will speak volumes. Democrats have already scored all the points they can by underlining how detached from reality Trump and Vance have become. Now is the time to provide a substantive rebuttal.
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Cue the hate-mongers to show up HERE and tell us that they have PROOF that Kamala is a WITCH who tortures and EATS your cats and dogs!!!
(I'm getting my popcorn ready now!)
No...she's responsible as border czar for allowing 650,000 murderers, rapists, thieves and sex criminals into your community.
Enjoy.
That just gets Shillsy aroused... although, TBQH eating dogs and cats would too.
Notice how the article title subtly conflates LEGAL immigration with ILLEGAL Immigration -which is the actual sticky issue - ?
MAGIC PAPERS to the sub-human illegals would SOLVE these poblems by turning dross into gold!!!
https://reason.com/2024/02/15/they-had-their-baby-at-home-2-years-later-they-still-cant-get-a-birth-certificate/?comments=true#comment-10447326
1. sarcasmic No papers? Deport him. He should have known better than to have been born at home.
SQRLSY One
Send him back UP the birth canal, and make him wait and apply for asylum over on that OTHER side, ovary there!!! Enough is ENOUGH!!! NO MORE JERB-STEALING MOOCHES OVER HERE ON OUR SIDE!!!
(Not only are they stealing OUR jerbs, they are ALSO stealing our human mommy-tit-milk!!!)
sarcasmic
True. The milk belongs to someone with papers.
https://reason.com/2024/03/15/problemista-is-a-magical-realist-parable-about-the-insanity-of-americas-immigration-system/?comments=true#comment-10486992
See https://reason.com/2024/02/15/they-had-their-baby-at-home-2-years-later-they-still-cant-get-a-birth-certificate/ … Magic Papers please! Even the WRONG kinds of native-born can’t get them!
Seeing your post under mine like that makes me feel like mine just had diarrhea.
Oh, and btw... I'm pretty sure that the Legal Immigration numbers dont include 13000+ dangerous felons.
Native-borns are defective at times too!!! Send them BACK up the birth canal, to where they came from!!!
(They the native-born sure ass HELL do SNOT want to pick our fruits and veggies for us, unlike our oh-so-hated illegal sub-humans!!! Shit seems to me that willingly given productive LABOR is EVIL these days, to the haters at large!)
*smh* i'm losing hope for you
YOU HAD HOPE???
It's the immigration policy doom loop don'cha know, which can only be (?) unlooped by abandoning immigration policies altogether, or by having immigration policies, but only those dictated by UN masters.
Cue the hate-mongers to show up HERE and tell us that they have PROOF that Trump is Hitler who tortures and EATS your cats and dogs!!!
https://www.newsweek.com/maga-pastor-claims-kamala-harris-deployed-witchcraft-trump-debate-1952902
Also she is metally ill! Dear Leader said so!!!
You mean she didn't?
I can sort of see Kammy as one of those wine mom Wiccans. Playing occult with her besties and doing prayers to the "goddess", sharing homemade charms with her friends, dreamcatcher hanging off her mirror, etc.
She should be a GOOD Christian Death-Luster like Marxist Moose-Mammary the Necrophiliac Suicide-Lusting Farter-Fuhrer!!!
Hey Mamma the Highly Esteemed, Expert Christian Theologian!
https://reason.com/2021/03/24/for-the-first-time-a-majority-of-republicans-support-same-sex-marriage/
Have You figured out yet, how many angels can dance on the head of a pin? I am waiting with bated breath!
Also, how is Your Followership building up? I mean, for Your “Expert Theologians for Worshipful Methods of Identity Theft”? Where do we subscribe to Your Newsletter?
Hear, hear, HEAR ye the self-righteous preachings of MammaryBahnFuhrer! (Imported below). She knows JUST the right “Popular-with-the-Cool-Kids-in-Her-Own-Mind” theology to espouse, along with wearing JUST the right purse, hairstyle, whorestyle, and other accessories! Meanwhile, in the EXACT same source, She engaged in identity theft! Her heart, in truth, is a ravening black hole of hypocrisy, greedy self-righteousness, and other evils!
Now, the preachings of The Great Mammary. Note that She picks the verses that say that the right BELIEFS and whorestyles get you “in” with the “in” crowd, and then you’re free to engage in ID theft and other evils, at will!
Mammary-style whorestyles - preachings below:
It amazes me how Americans living in a purportedly Christian culture don't even understand the basic tenets of its theology.
Pretty much the whole point of Christianity is that everyone has sinned and is worthy of damnation so God became a human and took our punishment for us. And the libertarian angle is, that you still have a choice to accept or reject the gift already given.
Ephesians 2:8-9 ESV: For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
Romans 6:23 ESV: For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
John 3:16-17 ESV: “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
(End of Mammary-Necrophilia-Fuhrer-style preachings.)
We can pick and chose our Bible verses to justify ANY evils we WANT TO justify! And YOU equate "fashionable theology to justify ANY evil shit that I want to do" with Your fashionable hairstyle and whorestyle! Got the right fashionable BELIEFS, and so then The Queen can do WHATEVER She wants! Your BELIEFS will protect You from the consequences of Your evil actions? Do You not GET this, Oh Fashionable Queen of the Internet Cesspools?
"By their fruits, you will know them", is something that Jesus said. DEEDS, not "Magic Beliefs"!
So Great Theologian... How about Your DEEDS? Like identity theft? Was it YOU who stole "Buttplug the First"'s ID, to post child porn under his ID? How can we know either way, for SURE (how can we believe any denials that You might make), when you steal IDs, and implicitly in doing so, deliberately LIE, for malicious purposes? Stealing another person's ID is something that I would NEVER do!
So tell me again about Your Superior Theology?
PS, You (Oh Queen) are apparently saying that it's OK to act HOWEVER YOU WANT, and get a "free pass" with Your Magic Beliefs, fashionable hairstyle and whorestyle, etc. IT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY!!! Your Magic Beliefs DO NOT protect You from the consequences of Your evil choices!!! If You drink a gallon of whiskey every day, is God going to forgive You because You have Magic Beliefs? AND give You Your healthy liver back? Have You SHOWN this to be true? Or do You know ANYONE who has demonstrated this?
If You spit in the faces of ALL of Your friends, will You have any friends left? You're not married, are You? Is this perhaps the pay-back that You have earned by being a Perfectly Superior One, in the face of EVERYONE that You meet? Can you NOT see my basic point, that Your Magic Beliefs are ZERO protection from "karma", or, "what comes around, goes around"? "Karma" can even be applied to the body... Treat your body like shit, and it will NOT be very kind to you, in return!
I'm not sure if you're hating on Jesus or complaining that people don't act like him. Maybe both?
So Jesus told PervFected You to steal peoples's IDs and promote suicide, Oh Ye Death-Lusting Servant and Serpent of the Evil One?
Got Chapter and Verse on that one?
Not sure anyone could just walz in there and change minds on something that has been bad.
They should goose step into the place and not duck any questions as if the cat got their tongue.
It will be tough. We live in a Haitian eat dog world.
maybe he'll get an adVance'd copy of the questions.
He can wear the same ear rings Kamaltoe wore at her debate.
flipping the bird not a retort here, Tim.
Shit is October now, Cumrades!!! Prepare for October Sluprises!!! There will be PROOF that Kamala is a Lizard Person!!!
Wow. You believe in that lizard person stuff, Sqrls? I'm not surprised, to be honest.
Ask squirrel about Section 230.
Ask and ye shall receive! Knock up Spermy Daniels, and Her Blessed Queen-Cunt Shall Be Opened Fur Ye! Opened up WIDE, Ass Ye Cunt BLEEVE!!!!
OPEN QUESTIONS FOR ALL ENEMIES OF SECTION 230
The day after tomorrow, you get a jury summons. You will be asked to rule in the following case: A poster posted the following to social media: “Government Almighty LOVES US ALL, FAR more than we can EVER know!”
This attracted protests from liberals, who thought that they may have detected hints of sarcasm, which was hurtful, and invalidated the personhoods of a few Sensitive Souls. It ALSO attracted protests from conservatives, who were miffed that this was a PARTIAL truth only (thereby being at least partially a lie), with the REAL, full TRUTH AND ONLY THE TRUTH being, “Government Almighty of Der TrumpfenFuhrer ONLY, LOVES US ALL, FAR more than we can EVER know! Thou shalt have NO Government Almighty without Der TrumpfenFuhrer, for Our TrumpfenFuhrer is a jealous Government Almighty!”
Ministry of Truth, and Ministry of Hurt Baby Feelings, officials were consulted. Now there are charges!
QUESTIONS FOR YOU THE JUROR:
“Government Almighty LOVES US ALL”, true or false?
“Government Almighty LOVES US ALL”, hurtful sarcasm or not?
Will you be utterly delighted to serve on this jury? Keep in mind that OJ Simpson got an 11-month criminal trial! And a 4-month civil trial!
It's easy to snark and mock Donald Trump and J.D. Vance for spreading awful, racist lies. The Democratic ticket should aim to do more.
Do more to spread lies? I thought that bleeding-out-in-the-parking-lot story was a pretty good one.
I thought stolen valor, the fake Nebraska Chamber of Commerce Award, viewing soldiers loaded on a plane in Afghanistan, and deployment to Iraq were plenty of lies.
Now we find out he was at an Armory in Nebraska, not Tienanmen Square, that it was closer to 15 trips to China, not 30 or "dozens," etc.
He told Dana Bash the stolen valor is a grammar issue, but he is an educator and bragged about teaching English in China.
Timpon is an idiot.
That's okay. So is Boehm, so he'll be reluctant and strategic again come November.
Besides being a communist, Walz is a compulsive liar and fraud.
Don’t forget his cowardice.
The Democrats have been spreading racist lies since LBJ proclaimed...
Oh wait a minute, it was actually much earlier than that.
Racist lies? What about the video of not-Haitians in not-Springfield recorded not-this-year that depicted what might have been cats on a grill? That's proof that Haitians in Springfield are eating cats right now!
Was that your binary strawman?
"Here's a video of Haitians eat cat barbeque just outside of Springfield last year."
Sarckles: "Not Haitians!!! I can tell by their noses and the way they hold their thumbs!!! Just outside Springfield is not IN Springfield!!! Last fall doesn't count. It has to be recorded this year!!!"
So you're claiming it's absurd to go to Haiti and find cat on the menu? Or that flooding a city with another 40% or so people from a foreign culture is no trauma itself?
The only people being dishonest here are leftists like you that pushed the vile, racist wet market theory for COVID origins and flatly ignore any and all negative consequences to overrunning cities with the populations of 3rd world shitholes.
Boehm is telegraphing that he will be voting for Harris, both recklessly and enthusiastically.
Boehm needs to just tell us "Why We Can't Have Nice Things" and leave the political commentary to others.
We easily understand you hate Trump, but these types of articles are ridiculous in the word usage.
For a moment I thought I was reading an article from The Onion.
Reluctantly and strategically parody.
Boehm should be unemployable. He really is a worthless and malignant.
>>The Democratic ticket should aim to do more.
has anyone ever suggested you are in the wrong career arena?
Sucking for advancement is a position already taken in the Democrat party. That's Kamala's role.
It's easy to snark and mock Donald Trump and J.D. Vance for spreading awful, racist lies. The Democratic ticket should aim to do more.
For a Comms major, you suck at influential communications Eric.
*sigh*
Caroline might be still alive but probably wishing she were dead.
They are more likely to deny that anything is happening, and call the other side 'weird' for thinking that there's a problem and that Americans might want to address it.
Immigration, illegal immigration in particular, is still a top-five issue among all voters, but it's not one that the Democrats poll well on, so they will try to obsuscate.
Notice Boehm has no mention of the costs and assumes cultural comments of Haiti is racist.
I think it is stranger a libertarian author would continue to advocate for 150B in federal payment to subsidize foreign workers. I find it weird that even the fed chief is smart enough to understand importing 7M illegals for 1M jobs in a welfare state doesn't work, but Boehm doesn't.
Boehm is a Communist pretending to be a Libertarian. To achieve total power, Communists require unrest. Bringing in illegals helps to increase crime, collapse the support system and has the bonus of new voters with loyalty to the Party (the children).
Borders, shared language and culture define a nation. We have none of those. Clearly no border. A large enough portion of the population wants to tear down statues of people that were universal heroes 20 years ago (Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt...). Over 20% don't speak English at home. About 10% can't speak English in any meaningful way.
Let's take a look at Walz's performance so far: A governor of Minnesota he locked the state down and used the cops to shoot anyone who dared leave their home.
He sat on his fat arse while the rioters looted, burned and destroyed millions of dollars in local businesses, attacked cops, set fire to cars and assaulted people. And he said it was good.
Walz is a compulsive liar, fraud and has an authoritarian streak in him that makes Hohul and Newsom look like Libertarians.
Walz lives in a world of delusional narcissism and quite possibly be a psychopath.
Be forewarned, that man is not safe nor should he be allowed free reign to do as he pleases.
That person belongs in a mental institute or at least heavily medicated with either Haldol or Thorazine.
He sat on his fat arse while the rioters looted, burned and destroyed millions of dollars in local businesses, attacked cops, set fire to cars and assaulted people. And he said it was good.
If no one was arrested during those riots, then that's proof crime is down!
Well, there was that one kid that crossed state lines...
He should be in a 7x12 foot cell in a SuoerMax facility for his treason.
Will Tim Walz Offer an Affirmative Case for Immigration at Tonight's Debate?
What case is he going to make that hasn't been in the Border Czar's lap for the last 3.5 yrs.
You retards keep acting like this is some ab initio political campaign from some upstart Alaskan governor that no one's ever heard of before or some outsider real estate mogul when it's the incumbent administration trying to run away from their own record.
This comment should be put on a bronze plaque and cemented into the Reason headquarters building.
maybe three of them understand it.
How much are people who support "immigration" willing to pay out of their own pocket to fly people in from Haiti to the exurb they live in? And how much would they then pay to house them all? If the answer is "none," then the federal government doing so by funding NGOs is a scandal that somebody should have to answer for.
Instead we get this kind of obfuscation. Nobody simply wandered from Haiti to Springfield, Ohio. They were put there, and clearly it was done against the wishes of the people of Springfield, Ohio. Why is this so hard to understand?
It's easy to snark and mock Donald Trump and J.D. Vance for spreading awful, racist lies
This from the team that claims requiring voter ID disenfranchises blacks.
Honestly, I'm not sure what more Walz or the Harris campaign could do here to indicate their support for mass immigration. We've had a de facto open border ever since Biden became President, and Mayorkas has faithfully carried out that directive. The so-called "bipartisan compromise" bill allowed Biden to ignore it whenever he felt like doing so, and established a crossing limit that was 4,000 a day above what Obama himself called a "crisis level" when he was in office.
So the whole thing was a poison pill to begin with, because the last thing the Democrats want are any restrictions on immigration whatsoever. They've been very clear on the fact that they think they need to flood the country with foreigners, open up voting to them in the most shady ways possible, in order to permanently marginalize anyone politically who isn't a radical left globalist that hates white people.
I'm not sure what more the Dems could do to signal this other than setting up flashing billboards across the country saying, "white people and conservatives need to die, and we're going to import the people we need to make it happen."
The only reason one might need to "decriminalize border crossings" is because they are currently illegal. The executive branch is in charge of enforcing that law, not allowing a bunch of violent criminals in with everyone else. Harris is running to be the executive. She cannot be trusted to enforce the law and will, in fact, be an accomplice to its violations. If she wants open borders, just say so.
Vice President Harris to immigrants: “Don’t come… don’t come…”
If there’s a case to strategically and reluctantly vote for Harris, I might say this is it.
If Harris is installed as president, civil war becomes unavoidable.
"Will Tim Walz Offer an Affirmative Case for Immigration at Tonight's Debate?"
No, but I'm sure he'll think of a few good reasons why he put tampon machines in boys' bathrooms all across Minnesota.
Okay. What's the over/under on when Reason will publish an article declaring the only path forward for the Appalachian areas hit by floods is to import tens of thousands of Third Worlders? I'm betting by next Tuesday!
I'm sure Fiona is already on it.
"Haitian immigrants in Springfield, Ohio, were eating pets"
is ?racist?....
Holy F Reason has really gone full-on leftarded.
This.
They racist assume there are no cultural differences among countries.
If Tim Waltz ever becomes V.P. will he demand that the government place tampon dispensers in all Federal men bathrooms?
So, don't use them. The dispensers are already in unisex bathrooms, commonly installed in small businesses. Waltz is still the better alternative.
Parody.
Very few are against immigrant. We are against illegal immigrant. Vet the people. Make sure they have skills US needs. Let in how many can be absorbed into society
Bit me Reason
Those Haitians immigrants in Springfield are legal, so why the complaints? We have an aging population, and we need more workers across the job spectrum.
Hey parody, have you ever bothered to look at the costs of immigrants under TPS or their employment rates?
They are not legal. Harris isn’t enforcing the law, and is also breaking the law. That isn’t the same as entering the country legally and following the legal process to remain.
The problem is that we need a new narrative on immigrants. We had a good one when Reagan was President, and we need to get back to that narrative.
At the same time, we must ensure adequate legal authority to establish control over immigration: to enable us, when sudden influxes of foreigners occur, to decide to whom we grant the status of refugee or asylee; to improve our border control; to expedite (consistent with fair procedures and our Constitution) return of those coming here illegally; to strengthen enforcement of our fair labor standards and laws; and to penalize those who would knowingly encourage violation of our laws.
https://www.reaganlibrary.gov/archives/speech/statement-united-states-immigration-and-refugee-policy
“ On important issues, leadership requires an attempt to change public opinion—rather than being led by it”
Yes, in China and Cuba, etc., the leadership ignores the people and imposes their agenda. But here, I’d like to think the public directs our leaders. We are a republic after all, not a dictatorship. And I am totally convinced that leaders are not any more intelligent or capable than the average Joe.
So which side is the real threat to democracy. YOUmand your ilk!!!
The answer is NO.