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Labor Unions

The Cruises Will Be Spared

Plus: Israeli troops cross into Lebanon, prayer illiteracy on full display, veeps joust, and more...

Liz Wolfe | 10.1.2024 9:30 AM

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Hope you've stocked up: At midnight, the longshoremen of the East Coast and Gulf officially went on strike. From Maine to Texas, our ports are about to deal with some wild backlogs.

The union that represents these dockworkers, the International Longshoremen's Association, is demanding a 77 percent increase in pay over the next six years—up from their current rate of $39 per hour—and assurances that bosses won't seek to automate their jobs away. (Given that their compatriots on the West Coast secured a 32 percent pay raise last year, it's possible they'll settle for a fair bit less than 77 percent.)

Union boss Harold Daggett (who makes $710,909 annually in total compensation, in case you were curious) said the quiet part out loud: "Today's world…[corporate bosses] they're not making millions no more, they're making billions, and they're spending it as fast as they make it. I want a piece of that for my men. Because when they made their most money was during COVID, when my men had to go to work on those piers every single day, when everybody stayed home and went to work. They died out there with the virus, we all got sick with the virus, we kept 'em going.… I want to be compensated for that. I'm not asking for the world…we have to fight for what we rightfully deserve."

"These people today don't know what a strike is," continued Daggett, getting a little darker, presaging the chaos.

"When my men hit the streets from Maine to Texas, every single port locked down. You know what's going to happen? I'll tell you. First week, be all over the news every night, boom, boom, second week. Guys who sell cars can't sell cars, because the cars ain't coming in off the ships. They get laid off. Third week, mall starts closing down. They can't get the goods from China. They can't sell clothes. They can't do this. Everything in the United States comes on a ship. They go out of business. Construction workers get laid off because the materials aren't coming in. The steel's not coming in. The lumber's not coming in. They lose their job. Everybody's hating the longshoremen now because now they realize how important our jobs are.…I will cripple you, and you have no idea what that means."

(Language, sir!)

The current ILA contract specifies pay of $39 per hour for longshoremen (so roughly $80,000 annually), with starting salaries a bit lower. This doesn't account for overtime, which is generous. For longshoremen who log aggressive overtime, we're talking $200,000 annually. This is some of the highest pay available for a job that does not require a college degree.

Yet Daggett is threatening to hold entire sectors of the economy hostage so that his guys can get a raise—and dictate to their bosses that they shan't be replaced by technology that could in some cases make backbreaking work a lot less awful and dangerous while, yes, probably eliminating some number of jobs.

Negotiations have reportedly stalled since June.

We're about to face a new round of COVID-esque shortages and skyrocketing prices because *this* deal isn't good enough for the people who take containers off of ships and put them into trucks https://t.co/QlfuvQeLpz pic.twitter.com/86CdUCQ7NM

— Mason (@webdevMason) October 1, 2024

Good luck to those in western North Carolina and eastern Tennessee who will now get to work on rebuilding their communities, devastated by Hurricane Helene, without being able to use…any imports (like lumber). Good luck to those who need imported medication. Good luck to those who were already struggling with high food prices; they just got a lot worse.

Brandon won't save us: Technically speaking, President Joe Biden has the power to stop the strike via the Taft-Hartley Act if he attempts to claim that the strike would threaten national security or safety, which would then kick off an 80-day cooling off period. Biden has said he does not believe in Taft-Hartley, and will thus not be doing so.

It's all kind of crazy, and threatens to upend the economy in advance of the election next month. Possibly the most bizarre part of this is that the same union controls all the ports on the East Coast, and in the Great Lakes region, and in the Gulf, so there isn't a readily-available option to bypass this. If monopolies are so bad because they leave consumers with higher prices and no choice to seek out competitors, then what exactly do leftists make of this union stunt?

Here's the absurd kicker: Daggett and Co. have decided that they'll still work passenger cruises so as "to not inconvenience the tens of thousands of Americans who have booked trips in advance." After all, he reasons, "many families plan and pay for cruise vacations on passenger ships more than a year out, and we don't want them to be disappointed or inconvenienced in any way."

sorry but cruises are literally the first thing i would choose to disrupt if i were union queen pic.twitter.com/V5ux0hITVD

— Liz Wolfe (@LizWolfeReason) October 1, 2024


Scenes from New York: Councilman Shaun Abreu is has gotten the rest of city council on board with a rat contraceptives pilot program.


QUICK HITS

  • Israeli troops crossed the border into Lebanon for the first time since the 2006 war. Israeli officials say they're conducting "limited operations focused on Hezbollah infrastructure near the border" between Israel and Lebanon, according to a U.S. State Department spokesman. "Israel has a right to defend itself against Hezbollah," said the spokesman, adding "we want to ultimately see a diplomatic resolution to this conflict, one that allows citizens on both sides of the border to return to their homes."
  • There's a vice-presidential debate tonight. You know what that means: It's time to circulate a petition to my bosses to exempt me from having to watch it, since it may actually kill me.
  • "Students across New York City are waiting up to an hour for school buses as a driver shortage and conflict over a contract hamstring the city's ability to find a solution," reports The New York Times.
  • Rates of breast cancer are climbing, with sharpest increases occurring among women in their twenties.
  • TDS is next-level:

i'm catholic, this is an extremely common prayer (little cards printed with it scattered about most churches). the "devil" and "evil spirits" here are not meant metaphorically, but literally — the invisible agents of your adversity. this is a request for protection, basically. https://t.co/efVrsiVu0p

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  1. Fist of Etiquette   8 months ago

    At midnight, the longshoremen of the East Coast and Gulf officially went on strike.

    Strike on Yemen???

    1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

      Look Fat...

  2. Chumby   8 months ago

    Dockworkers from Maine to Texas Strike

    Rent seekers demand more graft. Fire the sons of bitches. Maybe that Mayor Adams’ robocop can operate a crane. Somebody or something has to unload those foreign sourced toasters.

    1. Chipper Chunked Chile Con Congress (ex NCW)   8 months ago

      "Going on strike" should be semantically equivalent to "a large group of people just quit their jobs simultaneously".

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   8 months ago

        That's fine, but don't be surprised when they get replaced by a bunch of sub-IQ Haitians or Venezuelan Chavistas that will be ten times worse.

      2. Stupid Government Tricks   8 months ago

        "Should be" is doing a lot of work there. They aren't quitting, simultaneously or not. The government makes it illegal for their employer to treat them as being former employees, and must hold their jobs open until they decide to come back to work.

        The very definition of union and strikes in legal terms puts the government on one side. The fact that (as Liz acknowledges) unions can be monopolies against corporations which cannot is another example of government choosing sides.

        1. GroundTruth   8 months ago

          Well said! Allowing unions to hold jobs hostage and prohibiting business owners from firing the non-working is a prime example of government putting its thumb on the scale.

        2. Roberta   8 months ago

          How did "labor peace" supplant the ordinary workings of the free market, not only in the USA, but worldwide? Was this a concession that needed to be made to avoid communist or syndicalist revolution worldwide? Like labor and employers went to war, and this was the negotiated surrender? Meaning that we've been in thrall of the communists for, like, a century and a half, after all?

        3. Kungpowderfinger   8 months ago

          Shit, CA tried to make them eligible to receive unemployment while on strike. Somehow Newsom vetoed it

        4. Chipper Chunked Chile Con Congress (ex NCW)   8 months ago

          “Should be” is doing a lot of work there.

          Well, yes. I understand that's not how things are now. It was an expression of how I would like things to be.

    2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

      I've heard migrants can do this job better and be paid with just cat food.

      1. Don't look at me!   8 months ago

        No, not cat food. The cats are the food.

        1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

          How do they get the cats? With the food. Cat adoption fees are expensive.

          1. Unable2Reason   8 months ago

            They're brought in on ships.....oh, wait........

            1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

              Is it a triangle trade?

      2. Mike Parsons   8 months ago

        ...and be paid with just cats (food).

        FTFY

      3. Chumby   8 months ago

        Schrödinger's Haitian Cat is both eaten and still alive.

        1. mad.casual   8 months ago

          Let them have their cat and eat it too!

          1. Jefferson Paul   8 months ago

            Let them eat cat (cake)?

    3. damikesc   8 months ago

      Nice to see the COMMERCE SECRETARY admitting she is not focusing on that too highly.

      Because this is not something the COMMERCE SECRETARY should worry about.

      Another department that needs the axe.

  3. Don't look at me!   8 months ago

    There's a vice-presidential debate tonight. You know what that means: It's time to circulate a petition to my bosses to exempt me from having to watch it, since it may actually kill me.

    It’s gonna be balls to the walz.

    1. Jerry B.   8 months ago

      My wife and I made special note of the debate tonight so we could watch a movie instead.

    2. Medulla Oblongata   8 months ago

      Harrie-Balz 2024!

    3. Longtobefree   8 months ago

      Just for the record, baseball playoff start tonight - - - - - - - - - - -

      1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

        Collusion between Mets and braves ruined it for me as a dbacks fan.

      2. Sometimes a Great Notion   8 months ago

        Go O's.

        1. Dillinger   8 months ago

          misspelled Royals.

          1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

            Misspelled “Tigers”.

            1. Sometimes a Great Notion   8 months ago

              A royal oriole tiger; sounds like a fancy Haitian dish.

            2. Dillinger   8 months ago

              some idiot put up $95,000 on the Astros over the Tigers I did not consider that a wise bet.

      3. Chumby   8 months ago

        Sportsball programming.

  4. Sometimes a Great Notion   8 months ago

    "When my men hit the streets from Maine to Texas, every single port locked down. You know what's going to happen?

    They'll attack a trash hauler in Baltimore! Fuckin union scumbags.

    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   8 months ago

      Raimondo and Harris should have spent more time focusing on trying to get something hammered out with their fellow Democrats than spazzing out about Trump.

      1. Idaho-Bob   8 months ago

        The Dems want a strike.

        Cause the strike, blame it on greedy corporations, and then "negotiate" a settlement. Right before the election.

        This shit is planned.

        1. mad.casual   8 months ago

          Yup. [Locks eyes with Teamsters] "This is what happens when you don't explicitly tell your members you're voting for us and that, implicitly, they should do the same if they know what's good for them."

    2. Gaear Grimsrud   8 months ago

      Giant inflatable rats as far as the eye can see.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

        LOL! Soon enough, the entire East Coast will look like Chicago.

  5. Don't look at me!   8 months ago

    Good thing we have a strategic oil reserve in case of a strike, oh, wait…..

    1. SRG2   8 months ago

      https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f4/US_Strategic_Petroleum_Reserve.webp/1920px-US_Strategic_Petroleum_Reserve.webp.png

      Obviously Obama forced Trump to reduce the reserve but it still looks ok, no?

      1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

        Do you not know how to read a graph or something?

        1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

          It’s Shrike. What did you expect?

          1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

            It is amazing his comment.

            1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

              His stupidity is breathtaking. I’m not sure how he remains free from incarceration for all his pedophillic activities.

      2. Don't look at me!   8 months ago

        Dumbass

        1. Bertram Guilfoyle   8 months ago

          An Oxford education ain't what it used to be?

  6. Chumby   8 months ago

    Media bias: some nations “invade” while others “conduct ground operations.”

    1. Social Justice is neither   8 months ago

      It would be so much more palatable if they just called it immigration.

      1. Chipper Chunked Chile Con Congress (ex NCW)   8 months ago

        I've been told that borders are just lines on a map anyway, so what's the big deal?

        1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

          Government welfare raises all GDP.

          1. Chumby   8 months ago

            Armed immigrant asylum seekers are your betters.

            1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

              ENB supports the sex labor they've increased with cartels forcing women into prostitution to pay their smuggling fees.

              1. Chumby   8 months ago

                Expect an article from her on how the dockworkers strike affects the courtesan labor market. Dickworkers hardest hit.

                1. Don't look at me!   8 months ago

                  Dickworkers hardest hit.

                  They went on stroke.

                  1. Chumby   8 months ago

                    Without the jobs from the courtesans, there would be less trickle down.

                    1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

                      Strikes can last a long time. So they better nit shoot their wad prematurely. It might leave them with something of a mess in their hands.

                    2. Chumby   8 months ago

                      Employed Docks Hookers Going Down

    2. Sometimes a Great Notion   8 months ago

      Media bias

      Don't think so, Israel didn't invade Lebanon, Lebanon/Hezballah invaded Israel with rocket fire for over a year now and this is a ground operation to stop the invaders on their home turf.

      1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

        Over a decade.

        1. Sometimes a Great Notion   8 months ago

          Well yes, but specifically this new flare up due to 10-7. If not for that and Hezbollah joining in, Israel wouldn't be in Lebanon today.

  7. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

    Former National Guard member who worked with Waltz thinks Waltz took classified nuclear documents and gave them to his favorite country.

    https://alphanews.org/exclusive-walzs-former-national-guard-colleague-alleges-classified-nuclear-manual-went-missing-in-nebraska-during-his-tenure/

    1. Medulla Oblongata   8 months ago

      Next week will see a note signed by 51 members of the intelligence community saying this is Russian disinformation.

      1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

        I'm expecting at least 3 Sullum articles on the claims like he had for Mar A Lago.

  8. Nobartium   8 months ago

    If only we domestically produced more, their threat would mean nothing.

    1. Sometimes a Great Notion   8 months ago

      Their threat would also be meaningless if port owners just hired new workers to replace them, and hired Pinkertons to protect them from union thuggery.

    2. Zeb   8 months ago

      Unless anyone wanted to export anything by ship.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

        Of which we do quite a bit. We export a hell of a lot of foods (especially cereal grains and soybeans) to food insecure countries from the Midwest through New Orleans.

      2. mad.casual   8 months ago

        Unless anyone wanted to export anything by ship.

        Uh, if tariffs are a tax locally then it should be similarly, if not more obvious (because it's been more meaningfully true for longer) that nobody starves or freezes to death locally because we can't export either.

        1. Zeb   8 months ago

          I didn't realize that people starving or freezing to death was the proper metric for whether their threat means something.

          1. mad.casual   8 months ago

            You didn't realize that threat constituted actual or bodily harm? That "threats" otherwise are actually superfluous or generally, in libertarian circles, regarded as more of a civil or contract issue rather than a criminal issue the government needs to address directly or prevent?

            Even if you didn't learn about Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs in HS Civics or Social Studies or whatever, even in your economics classes you never gained an understanding that stamping your feet and disrupting the import/export of cheap Chinese dildos isn't as critical as stamping your feet and disrupting food distribution?

            1. Zeb   8 months ago

              You didn’t realize that threat constituted actual or bodily harm?

              I didn't because it is not the case. Words can legitimately used in non-technical ways. We aren't talking about the legality of the threat here.
              A funny thing about words in natural languages is that people use them in lots of different ways. If you have a problem with the usage of the word "threat" here, take it up with Nobartium.

              1. mad.casual   8 months ago

                Right, but economies collapse for lack of imports and domestic inability to produce. Inability to export, especially on the time frame of canning people and hiring their replacements, isn’t fatal or even necessarily a serious wounding.

                This is a fundamental precept of the whole comparative advantage idea. Otherwise, simply shouting “comparative advantage” and “free trade” at any trade dispute sets up a house of cards or banana republic network where no part is able to support its own basic needs and the whole thing topples in the slightest breeze. Even at just a basic level, not having anywhere to ship your goods just means you stop making them, as opposed to not being able to import goods or raw materials and convert them into goods.

                I certainly agree parts shouldn’t be obligated to be 100% self-sufficient, relative perpetual hostility isn’t a good thing but we’re at the point of arguing about how far we can leverage our debt to throw money at foreign aid, unlimited immigration, paying people to consume Chinese crap, forcing people to buy lithium-powered products, etc., etc.

  9. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

    Climate obsession by Letitia James may have shown why ESG is such a scam and even if pledged, democrats will go after you.

    https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/energy/ny-ag-letitia-james-lawsuit-against-jbs-may-have-exposed-fatal-flaw-net-zero

    JBS Foods advertises its commitment to have its operations reach net-zero greenhouse gas emissions by 2040. This includes reducing emissions in all JBS facilities by 30% by 2030 and using 100% renewable electricity by 2040.

    In her complaint, James states that the company had no plan to reach net zero by 2040, and even if it had, JBS “could not feasibly meet its pledge because there are no proven agricultural practices to reduce its greenhouse gas emissions to net zero at the JBS Group’s current scale.”

    The complaint also argues that offsetting those emissions would be very expensive, “of an unprecedented degree.”

    In other words, according to the lawsuit, it’s impossible for JBS to produce beef at the scale the company does without producing emissions, and any plan to eliminate those emissions would be cost-prohibitive.

    1. Don't look at me!   8 months ago

      No matter what your plans are, it’s not good enough.

    2. Randy Sax   8 months ago

      Can we use this same logic to sue the Biden admin requiring 50% of cars sold in 2030 to be electric? Or whatever the number was, I'm too lazy to look it up.

    3. Mike Parsons   8 months ago

      Openly admitting that they are playing CalvinBall

    4. Red Rocks White Privilege   8 months ago

      Just more evidence that the national divorce needs to happen.

      These people wouldn't keep Ayn Rand's overblown novels relevant if they didn't keep acting like Ayn Rand villians. And it's a classic Rand-style Kafkatrap--target an industry with pie-in-the-sky feel-good policies that aren't realistically possible to accomplish, demand that those industries maintain the same output, tell them, "Oh, you'll think of something!" when they point out that the regulators' demands aren't possible under the laws of science or economics, then lament the collapse of the industry and loss of jobs which didn't affect you one iota.

      Reminds me of that scene from "The Ten Commandments" when Ramses tells the Hebrews to start gathering their own straw, but the brick quota would stay the same. The whole point is to set your target up to fail.

      1. Ron   8 months ago

        lets not forget to mention the cost inflation of trying to meet these fake goals. I'd like to see a study of how much inflation is being forced on us to meet these regulations. a prime example would be the cost of cars and homes. From personal experience in the building trades the cost of housing is up at least 30% just from regulations and half of those regulations are for "energy saving"

        1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

          Only tariffs increase consumer costs if you read noted Economist Eric Boehm (comms major) or watch political ads.

          1. Jefferson Paul   8 months ago

            I thought it was all due to corporate greed. That's why Kamala's price controls will solve all of our economic problems.

        2. Red Rocks White Privilege   8 months ago

          I’d love to see how much a vehicle would cost these days without all the emissions requirements, safety tech, and turbos that have been shoved in there due to government regulations over the last generation.

          The mid-90s-early 00s appears to have been the sweet spot for overall vehicle function, quality, and affordability. I’d kill for a reissued late 90s Toyota Tercel, even at inflation-adjusted prices.

          1. Don't look at me!   8 months ago

            I’d kill for a reissued late 90s Toyota Tercel, even at inflation-adjusted prices.

            You should try to have higher aspirations.

            1. Red Rocks White Privilege   8 months ago

              Higher than a extremely reliable vehicle that's easy to work on, is inexpensive, will run for years with little fuss, has a manual transmission, and isn't stuffed with techy doo-dad shit and safety features I don't need?

          2. Chumby   8 months ago

            Try the Dacia Sandero:
            https://www.carwow.co.uk/dacia/sandero

            Starting around $17,300.

            1. Don't look at me!   8 months ago

              Nobody needs more than a 2 star safety rating.

              1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

                I laughed.

      2. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

        No. No ‘divorce’. The democrats can leave. We’re not tearing the country in half. I would rather see every single democrat in landfill before we give them a square millimeter of American soil.

        1. mad.casual   8 months ago

          Also, I'm only 50/50 on how much of "Harvey Weinstein" was Harvey himself and how much was his wife, secretary, business associates, agents, and actresses playing their parts. I mean, at the point where Seth McFarlane is making open jokes about it at awards shows, you've really got a lot of people who should all know that they're doing a lot of the heavy lifting to prop this thing up.

    5. TrickyVic (old school)   8 months ago

      This is the liberal's understanding of how to use the AG's office.
      Intimidate business to do your bidding even when no law is broken.

    6. Chumby   8 months ago

      Steakholders worried.

      1. Don't look at me!   8 months ago

        It’s a tough situation, but thankfully rare.

      2. Its_Not_Inevitable   8 months ago

        Well done.

      3. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

        There’s some real concern all up and down the New York Strip.

  10. Medulla Oblongata   8 months ago

    Not unexpected, but for tracked contributions, International Longshoremens Assn:

    2024 100% contributions to D
    2022 96.25% contributions to D
    2020 97.3% contributions to D

    Of course Biden says "You go on strike!"

    1. Chipper Chunked Chile Con Congress (ex NCW)   8 months ago

      Hopefully Trump can use this competently on the campaign trail.

  11. Chumby   8 months ago

    Austrian voters shifted away from unipolar, globohomo and elected the Freedom Party more than any other. Support comes from frustrations over high inflation, support for Ukraine, covid response, and unwanted imports.

    1. Don't look at me!   8 months ago

      British voted for brexit the same time we elected trump. Coincidence?

      1. Chumby   8 months ago

        Second brexit.

        1. Mike Parsons   8 months ago

          does that come before or after elevensies?

          1. Chumby   8 months ago

            +1 for getting the reference

      2. SRG2   8 months ago

        And partly because the far left leader of the Labour Party, Jeremy Corbyn, was pro-Brexit though officially the party was opposed, and he basically took a dive...

        1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

          The British people should overthrow their government and execute all the globalist neo Marxists that are destroying it. Then they can kick all those excess Muslims out.

  12. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

    One of the Hamas leaders killed of course worked for the UN.

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hamas-leader-killed-lebanon-un-employee-agency-confirms

    1. damikesc   8 months ago

      Which shows why we need to defund the UN.

      1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

        But if the terrorists also work for the UN, isn’t that an additional way to identify them for elimination?

  13. Sarah Palin's Buttplug - Jan 6 = 9/11 (same motive)   8 months ago

    Jimmy Carter, Champion of Deregulation
    The former president, who turns 100 Tuesday, gets too little credit for making America competitive again.
    .....
    Jimmy Carter, who turns 100 on Oct. 1, doesn’t get enough credit for the quarter-century economic boom from 1983 to 2008 and the underlying resilience of the economy since. Without Mr. Carter’s deregulation of airlines, trucking, railroads, energy and communications, America might not have had the ability to diversify its economy and lead the world in high-tech development when our postwar domination of manufacturing ended in the late 1970s. The Carter deregulation helped fuel the Reagan economic renaissance and continues to make possible the powerful innovations that remake our world.
    ....
    The Airlines Deregulation Act of 1978, the Motor Carrier Act of 1980 and the Staggers Rail Act of 1980 unleashed competition and spawned the invention and innovation that gave America the world’s most efficient transportation and distribution system. The cost of flying a mile declined by half and air travel became a mainstay of American life. The logistical cost of moving goods shrank as a share of gross domestic product by 50%. The leader of that effort, recently retired FedEx CEO Fred Smith, describes Mr. Carter’s “underappreciated leadership” as follows: “The reduction of logistics costs in the late 20th century was profound, largely unreported and underappreciated. These farsighted changes were the great achievement of the Carter presidency.”

    https://www.wsj.com/opinion/jimmy-carter-champion-of-deregulation-policy-former-president-business-economy-e98c864d?mod=opinion_lead_pos5

    Easily the most libertarian president since Coolidge - Carter even cut the budget deficit - and he appointed Volcker at the Fed to kill the inflation that ravaged the 70's.

    Many of you Peanuts don't know your history. I will paste the rest of the Gramm essay if you like.

    1. Chumby   8 months ago

      What happened to your original account?

    2. Mother's Lament   8 months ago

      Hey, Shrike!

      Jimmy Carter Says He’s Hanging On to Vote for Kamala Harris

      You should tell your fellow Georgian peanut aficionado not to worry. You can still vote for Kamala even if you're dead.

      1. Minadin   8 months ago

        If he lives in a Democrat county, why would he have to hold on?

    3. Don't look at me!   8 months ago

      The economy did well when he left office after a disastrous presidency.

    4. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

      I love how the fake libertarians continue with the Carter reformation project despite all facts. The guy who implemented two of the most wasteful and regulation loving departments.

      1. sarcasmic   8 months ago

        Are you saying that Carter did not deregulate major industries?

        Attacking the messenger doesn’t make the messenger wrong. Oh, who am I kidding? You actually believe that attacking people refutes facts.

        1. Mother's Lament   8 months ago

          Read his post again, retard.

        2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

          How many times do you have to be educated on facts? Most of the deregulatory policy started prior to him, he just executed the completion of it, like with airlines. He did not initiate that shit dumbass. It started under Ford. You’ve been given the links a half dozen times at this point. Are you capable of learning?

          But you probably also blame Reagan for institutional release despite the policy started by JFK.

          This is another example of willful ignorance by you and a reliance on narratives.

          1. sarcasmic   8 months ago

            Doesn’t change the fact that it actually happened while Carter was president. He signed the bills. All the personal attacks in the world won’t change that.

            Oh, I get it now. You’re moving the goalposts from realizing the deregulation to initiating it.

            If good things happen while the party you hate is in power, you credit the party you love or previous administration.
            If good things happen while the party you love is in power, they get all the credit.
            If bad things happen while the party you love is in power, you blame party you hate or the previous administration.
            If bad things happen while the party you hate is in power, they get all the credit.

            “Heads I win, tails you lose”.

            1. But SkyNet is a Private Company   8 months ago

              I seem to recall you taking a different stance on the Afghanistan Pullout , which Actually Happened while Brandon was in office.

              And the COVID spending, etc

              1. Mother's Lament   8 months ago

                That's (D)ifferent... but don't you dare call him a Democrat.

              2. sarcasmic   8 months ago

                Maybe you should read what I actually write instead of the lies, cherry-picked comments and mischaracterizations of what I've said pushed by those who get incredibly indignant when they see what they feel are lies, cherry-picked comments and mischaracterizations of what Trump said.

                1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

                  We do read what you write, and apparently remember it much better than your blackout drunk ass.

                  1. Mother's Lament   8 months ago

                    Sarc reminds me of that Simpsons episode where Homer was falling down drunk at a party, but remembers instead himself being witty, erudite and charming.

                    1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

                      That describes Sarc to a ‘T’. And didn’t he also claim he shows the other hobos in his piss soaked alley the stupid shit he writes here in his Obama phone? Then claims they tell him how clever he is?

                    2. Bertram Guilfoyle   8 months ago

                      "Obama phone"

                      Thanks for the reminder about that one, LOL.

                    3. Mother's Lament   8 months ago

                      “And didn’t he also claim he shows the other hobos in his piss soaked alley the stupid shit he writes here in his Obama phone? Then claims they tell him how clever he is?”

                      Invisible friends, actually.

                      Apparently there’s an army of people who “lurk” but never comment here, but later they all contact Sarc to tell him how smart he is and laugh with him about how dumb everyone else is.

                      “sarcasmic
                      September.28.2021 at 7:08 pm
                      But please keep projecting. My lurker friends get a good laugh out of it.

                      https://reason.com/video/2021/09/28/why-you-should-fear-big-government-more-than-big-tech/#comment-9129090

                      You couldn’t make Sarckles up if you tried.

              3. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

                For sarc facts have no merit. It is solely to blame who he hates. He even blamed Trump for baseline budgets passed by democrats post covid.

                Carter didn't even really modify the plans initiated BY Ford or try to whip the votes for the bill. He only signed it.

                Then the deregulation started in late 1978 was in response to polling and the GOP campaign against the policies Carter pushed in 76 and 77.

                Carter was most influential and used his political capital for DoE and DoEd. Which sarc and other fake libertarians ignore in their reformation project.

                1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug - Jan 6 = 9/11 (same motive)   8 months ago

                  You're full of shit.

                  Odd how Senator Phill Gramm (R) gives Carter all the credit while your punk ass wasn't even born.

                  1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

                    Whatever, Bushpig.

                  2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

                    I've provided you and sarc links to it dozens of times. You are both simply unable to do research beyond your narratives.

                  3. sarcasmic   8 months ago

                    If good things happen while the party Jesse hates is in power, he credits the party he loves or previous administration.
                    If good things happen while the party he loves is in power, they get all the credit.
                    If bad things happen while the party he loves is in power, he blames party he hates or the previous administration.
                    If bad things happen while the party he hates is in power, they get all the credit.

                    Heads the party he loves wins, tails the party he hates loses.

                    1. Don't look at me!   8 months ago

                      Only ideas, never people.

                    2. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

                      We constantly criticize republicans when they do stupid shit. You constantly defend democrats no matter what. You’re the blind partisan. Not us.

                  4. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

                    So? That doesn’t change the facts that were right and you’re wrong. All documented by Jesse and others here.

                    Now get your child raping ass out of here.

        3. Medulla Oblongata   8 months ago

          Jesus fucking Christ! Can you not FUCKING READ?

          Yes, sure, Carter deregulated the airlines & trucking. I'll give him credit for that.

          But he ALSO created the Department of Education and the Department of Energy. Which are "two of the most wasteful and regulation loving departments." Which by some reckonings way more than offsets the good thing he did for airlines & trucking.

          As with any/all authoritarian agencies, these guys are armed and ready to enforce their petty bureaucracy:

          Add the U.S. Department of Education to the list of federal agencies that can invade your home at gunpoint and hold you and your family in custody for hours.

          Kenneth Wright learned this the hard way last week, when federal "education" agents busted down the front door of his Stockton, Calif., home at 6 in the morning.

          "They surrounded the house; it was like a task force or SWAT team," a neighbor told a national news affiliate. "They all had guns. They dragged him out in his boxer shorts, threw him to the ground and handcuffed him."

          Wright's terrified children -- ages 3, 9 and 11 -- were forced to sit in a patrol car for two hours. Wright himself was in custody for six hours. "I felt really bad for those kids," a neighbor said.

          Federal agents for the Education Department's inspector general executed a very broad search warrant and seized paperwork and a personal computer. Wright says the law enforcement agents -- who reportedly included 13 with the Education Department and one or two Stockton police officers -- told him they were investigating his estranged wife's use of federal aid for students. But she doesn't even live in his house.

          A federal spokesman tried to distance the Education Department from the raid by emphasizing that the IG runs a "semi-independent office." But that begs the question of why a federal agency overseeing education policy should have an IG who can send agents armed with guns into Americans' homes. Or why the department has SWAT-style teams of agents to begin with.

          1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

            It’s Sarcasmic. No, he doesn’t fucking read. It’s why he’s roundly considered a retard here.

            1. Bertram Guilfoyle   8 months ago

              I beg to differ, he's clearly read the wikipedia headers for "ad hominem" "strawman" and "goalpost moving"

              1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

                Unfortunately, that’s all he’s read. He never gets past the header.

                1. Bertram Guilfoyle   8 months ago

                  He's also read a lot of Bastiat... quotations.

              2. Mother's Lament   8 months ago

                "clearly read the wikipedia headers for “ad hominem” “strawman” and “goalpost moving”

                Maybe so, but he clearly doesn't read past those headers, because I've yet to see him apply them correctly.
                He thinks they mean "people who are mean to me".

                1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

                  He’s a mouth drunk with rage issues and persecution complex. He’s also fairly stupid.

              3. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

                Don’t forget ‘binary’. At leas the hasn’t yet learned how to ‘ascertain’ things.

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lStcwT_RGrQ

              4. Medulla Oblongata   8 months ago

                Also "false dichotomy". I don't think I've seen him use that correctly either.

          2. sarcasmic   8 months ago

            Yes, sure, Carter deregulated the airlines & trucking. I’ll give him credit for that.

            According to Jesse that's a lie, and you're a leftist for giving him credit.

            But he ALSO created the Department of Education and the Department of Energy.

            Both of which suck. However that doesn’t negate the fact that he did more deregulation than all Republican presidents combined.

            1. Mother's Lament   8 months ago

              “According to Jesse that’s a lie”

              Did Jesse actually say Carter never deregulated the airlines and trucking, or are you being a dirty little liar again?

              1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

                A lie requires intent to deceive. Sarc might really be drunk, stupid, am delusional enough to believe the moronic, serially discredited inane nonsense he raves about here.

            2. Medulla Oblongata   8 months ago

              Jesus fucking Christ! Can you FUCKING READ?

              "Are you saying that Carter did not deregulate major industries?"

              At no point in his two sentence post that you made this utterly inane comment about did he make any such implication. Let alone said any such thing. It wasn't even close. You made that assertion up out of whole cloth and projected it onto Jesse.

              P.S. I should have ignored your initial comment, since it had "you" in it.

    5. Bertram Guilfoyle   8 months ago

      Carter also handled the Iran hostage situation expertly. By standing up to Iran in '79, he prevented who knows how many acts of terrorism against the US throughout the next 45 years.

      1. Chumby   8 months ago

        It was carried out with the same precision and excellence as Biden-Harris exiting Afghanistan.

      2. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

        It was all Ford’s fault for not preventing this ahead of time.

    6. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   8 months ago

      turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
      If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
      turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

    7. Roberta   8 months ago

      I learned from a book in the early 1980s from a Reason Foundation symposium that almost all the US deregulation of the 1970s and early '80s was pursuant to commissions instituted...by the Nixon administration! I was shocked to learn this.

      Their reports were eventually acted on almost entirely favorably by subsequent administrations and Congress. The only major one that got derailed was the one on marijuana, which had the bad luck to report (favoring federal decriminalization at least) while Nixon was still president and needed some cudgel against the hippies. Had they delayed reporting until Ford became president, we may very well have had legal marijuana by 1980.

      Too bad Congress and the Carter administration reversed the trend in 1979 by reinstituting Selective Service registration several years after another commission report was acted on favorably to institute the all-volunteer forces. Fortunately callups were not brought back, and after a generation without SS, it has become politically impossible to reinstitute a draft.

      Telecom deregulation then got a big boost from judicial action against AT&T. But we also got rail, air, and trucking deregulation, and it became legal to hold gold. The only serious deregulation I recall that was initiated and completed by the Carter administration was hobby beer and wine making. But the Bicentennial was a boost among the states for a wave of fireworks deregulation.

      The story is well known about how cannabis and possibly other recreational drug deregulation had a chance under Carter but for a certain event I won't go into here.

      1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

        Yeah. Why I continue to call it the Carter reformation narrative. The facts are out there but many of the fake libertarians here have no interest in them or educating themselves.

        Have seen this shit leak into Heritage and CATO too. No interest in the actual details.

  14. Reshufflex   8 months ago

    “Good luck to those in western North Carolina and eastern Tennessee who will now get to work on rebuilding their communities, devastated by Hurricane Helene, without being able to use…any imports (like lumber).”

    Plenty of wood in those hills, much of which is exported. Relax. Maybe Kamala can pay a visit and help by letting them know she’s “ from the middle class.” Of course, that assumes she knows where NC and TN are.

    1. Longtobefree   8 months ago

      Too many white dudes for Trump in there.

    2. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

      And we produce a lot of lumber anyway. A sizable percentage of which actually comes from the Southeast. Any imports typically come from Canada via rail.

      1. Zeb   8 months ago

        I was seeing a surprising amount of lumber from Russia and Finland for a while maybe 4 or 5 years ago.

    3. Red Rocks White Privilege   8 months ago

      Plenty of wood in those hills, much of which is exported.

      LOL, yep. I like Liz, but this whole area is in one of the most forested regions of the US. They aren't going to have any short-term issues with lumber unless the Forest Service cockblocks them on cutting down trees.

      1. Sometimes a Great Notion   8 months ago

        unless the Forest Service cockblocks them

        That will of course depends on who owns those tracks, who they donated to in the prez election, and whether they are high paying union jobs.

  15. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

    Kamalas is ramping up to blame Waltz for her loss.

    Harris, 59, told “All The Smoke” hosts Matt Barnes and Stephen Jackson that she made her “gut” decision to select Walz after being unable to sleep much the night before, waking up early that Tuesday in Washington and using cooking to calm her mind.

    “From the time that the president called me and told me he wasn’t running, I mean, it’s just like everything was in speedy, speedy motion, and I was not sleeping so well,” Harris told the basketball stars, who both played for the Harris-supported Golden State Warriors.

    https://nypost.com/2024/09/30/us-news/kamala-harris-says-insomnia-hit-after-biden-dropped-out-was-sleep-deprived-the-day-of-walz-pick/?utm_campaign=nypost&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

    1. Randy Sax   8 months ago

      “From the time that the president called me and told me he wasn’t running,

      No fucking way that's how that went down.

      1. Mike Parsons   8 months ago

        "Nancy called me and told me she just got off the phone with Joe and to pants-suit up, they are putting me in. I got around to letting Joe congratulate me a couple days later when I could be bothered to give him a call"

      2. Dillinger   8 months ago

        somewhat plausible B dialed KH and informed her he was not running while she was stabbing him in the chest.

        1. Sometimes a Great Notion   8 months ago

          Still doubt Biden could articulate that, even with the help of Stephen Hawking's laptop.

          1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

            He also has a tablet. Which is really an Etch a Sketch that belonged to a staffer’s toddler.

    2. Red Rocks White Privilege   8 months ago

      Don't believe it. This is nothing more than kayfabe.

      Walz may owe his political career to running in a state that's a guaranteed win for a Democrat, but he still needed to run and manage multiple campaigns, and fundraise and debate to do it. He's not some political noob.

      He was picked specifically because he's a pro-China neo-Maoist, and because he's the epitome of the self-mortifying white male liberal that's become the de facto punching bag of the left since the 1990s.

      1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

        All of his campaigns outside the DNC primaries were run terribly. It just happened to be a deep blue state. He did worse against his general opponents than was expected.

    3. Super Scary   8 months ago

      "after being unable to sleep much the night before, waking up early that Tuesday in Washington and using cooking to calm her mind."

      Oh my goodness, she's so relatable! See how relatable she is guys?

      1. Gaear Grimsrud   8 months ago

        She's a middle class gal. Her Kraft dinner is to die for.

  16. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

    The union that represents these dockworkers, the International Longshoremen's Association, is demanding a 77 percent increase in pay over the next six years—up from their current rate of $39 per hour—and assurances that bosses won't seek to automate their jobs away. (Given that their compatriots on the West Coast secured a 32 percent pay raise last year, it's possible they'll settle for a fair bit less than 77 percent.)

    Can we call these Union Tariffs?

    1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

      Technically speaking, President Joe Biden has the power to stop the strike via the Taft-Hartley Act if he attempts to claim that the strike would threaten national security or safety, which would then kick off an 80-day cooling off period. Biden has said he does not believe in Taft-Hartley, and will thus not be doing so.

      His Commerce Secretary also has been campaigning for Hariss on federal money and stated to CNBC she wasn't involved at all with the strike.

      1. Chumby   8 months ago

        Kamala has been too busy with her duties as Border Czar.

        1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

          Docks are on the border though. Does she know?

          1. The Margrave of Azilia   8 months ago

            "Border Czar" means immigration, and we know immigrants never come by ship. /sarc

  17. Randy Sax   8 months ago

    sorry but cruises are literally the first thing i would choose to disrupt if i were union queen

    Who choses a vacation where you are stuck on cramped boat that goes nowhere?

    1. Longtobefree   8 months ago

      1. Booze
      2. Gambling

      1. Randy Sax   8 months ago

        Then go to Vegas or Ocean City, Reno, Tijuana, etc.

        1. Zeb   8 months ago

          You should be happy they are on the boat so they aren't where you are.
          I don't get it either, sounds like hell, but I guess for some people unlimited eating and drinking and sitting on a deck chair is a good vacation.

      2. Don't look at me!   8 months ago

        “Free” food.

        1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

          Then go to a San Francisco alley.

    2. Chumby   8 months ago

      So you can return and talk about how you were on a cruise before going to the doctor about the Norwalk virus you contracted.

    3. But SkyNet is a Private Company   8 months ago

      Goes nowhere?

    4. Sometimes a Great Notion   8 months ago

      Free trip from a vendor?

    5. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

      Who says they go nowhere? If you’re going to do a cruise, use it as a floating hotel room you don’t have to unpack from with a lot of port stops to explore.

      1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

        They sell condo units on a number of the newer cruise ships. I’ve thought about buying one. I would have to rent one for about a month to see if I liked being on a ship that long.

    6. Red Rocks White Privilege   8 months ago

      I'm not sure what kind of cruises you're familiar with, but the whole point of them is that you're on a giant floating hotel that goes to all these different exotic places, whether it's Alaska, SE Asia, the Caribbean, Mediterranean, etc., that you get to visit for a couple days at a time each. It's also why those things are so fucking expensive and have generally been the choice of the nouveau riche and higher tiers of the upper middle class for vacations.

      1. Randy Sax   8 months ago

        I'd rather just fly and pick my own timeline. When on vacation the goal for me is to spend as little as time as possible in the hotel.

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   8 months ago

          Understood. I wouldn't take a cruise because I don't like being on the water, the fact these places are floating petri dishes, and ultimately the cost. But I do get why people take them. It's really as much about status signaling as anything else.

        2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

          Can even get non cruise packages pre planned with tour guides now at a cheaper price than a standard cruise, without the cruise curfew.

        3. Chumby   8 months ago

          So you’re not a boomer?

        4. mad.casual   8 months ago

          When on vacation the goal for me is to spend as little as time as possible in the hotel.

          Mrs. Casual does this and this, to me, feels like the same "trap" as cruising.

          Q: What did you do in [destination]?
          A: Oh, we got up early and got going out of our hotel, we went to a market, toured the arts district, ate some food, did some shopping, had some dinner and desert and didn’t get back until after midnight.
          Q: Uh… OK… what art did you see? Food did you eat?
          A: Oh, I don’t know, it was mostly impressionists I didn’t recognize and the food was great, real authentic local pasta dishes.

      2. Ron   8 months ago

        My friend does this and he loves it except like his last trip 7 liners showed up in one week the towns were overburdened with thousands of tourist. its a cluster f

      3. Gaear Grimsrud   8 months ago

        Many years ago there was a cruise line called Windjammer Cruises. They were actual schooners. Ran diesel engines in and out of the harbors but sailed on the open water. Accommodations were pretty primitive. But all you can drink bloody marys for breakfast. Passengers could help the crew raise the sails if inclined. Dinner always featured what they called fish bits, deep fried filets of whatever was available. We took the Caribbean tour. Every morning you'd take the little boat to some fabulous beach, listen to reggae and drink more bloody marys. My wife and I actually got married by the captain on the ship anchored at Tortola, BVI. It took 2 days to establish residency to get the license so for a moment in time we were officially Brits. More recently we took a cruise out of New Orleans to Mexico. The weather sucked and we were stuck inside an overpriced hotel with overpriced drinks and overpriced food for 5 days. Never again.

    7. mad.casual   8 months ago

      Who choses a vacation where you are stuck on cramped boat that goes nowhere?

      Divers. You can spend days diving, flying in between, but it's tempting fate for the bends if not outright playing Russian Roulette (with both blood gases and supplies and logistics). Plus, what Longtobefree said. If you've got to spend a day decompressing anyway, on the boat with a drink in hand is a fine way to do it.

      Honestly, I used to empathize with this a bit. I could see how something like a cruise to Hawaii might get boring. But, anymore, this feels a bit more like either someone who has never been on a cruise or an 8 yr. old, incapable of entertaining themselves on a boat full of people with water slides, hot tubs, drinks, people, gyms, spas, classes, food, TV, books, etc., etc., etc., saying "I'm bored!"

      My parents were opposed to cruises. All of it. Crowds, fixed destinations, fixed logistics, even food prep and being served. They eventually decided to do an Alaskan cruise. They aren't big cruise people now by any means, but they say they absolutely should've done it sooner.

      1. Randy Sax   8 months ago

        I have an open water diving license. I got certified in Bali. I guess I'm just verry apposed to the idea of being stuck on what is basically a tourist trap. Rather make my own timeline and go to the seedy part of town.

  18. Longtobefree   8 months ago

    "Biden has said he does not believe in Taft-Hartley, and will thus not be doing so."

    Good thing the Presidential Oath only requires him to protect and defend the Constitution, not the laws of the US.

    1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

      Don't worry. The Take Care clause doesn't apply here.

  19. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

    You don't hate journalists enough.

    Jessica Kutz
    @jkutzie
    ·
    Follow
    We put together a list of resources @19th
    for those looking to donate in the wake of Hurricane Helene.

    We focused on mutual aid groups and organizations on the ground that are helping LGBTQ+ people and people seeking an abortion.

    1. Don't look at me!   8 months ago

      Getting an abortion is the first thing that comes to mind after a hurricane.

      1. Sometimes a Great Notion   8 months ago

        I wouldn't be surprised, a night of Hurricanes in New Orleans has probably resulted in a number of abortions.

      2. Red Rocks White Privilege   8 months ago

        To be fair, Asheville, aka San Francisco on the Smokies, was one of the places obliterated by it.

        1. mad.casual   8 months ago

          Heh. I can hear my boys joking now: "Over 300 art galleries were destroyed."

      3. Chumby   8 months ago

        As a precaution against electrocution, preborn eradicators are warned to verify downed power lines are de-energized before taking heavy gauge wire from them to perform abortions.

  20. Eeyore   8 months ago

    I guess it's about time for the CPI to finally catch up with inflation.

  21. Mother's Lament   8 months ago

    “I’m catholic, this is an extremely common prayer (little cards printed with it scattered about most churches). the “devil” and “evil spirits” here are not meant metaphorically, but literally — the invisible agents of your adversity. this is a request for protection, basically.”

    Yesterday Sarcamic was trying to tell us that American Evangelicals wanted to immanentize the escutcheon by starting a war in the Middle East.

    Just like how Robert Reich didn’t recognize a Catholic rote prayer created by a pope, Sarckles didn’t understand that the person to bring about the end times and Christ’s return in a Levantine war is the Antichrist in Evangelical eschatology. Not a role most Christians are eager to assume.

    Which leads to my question.
    The West has been completely Christianized for at least 900 years. Every aspect of its culture and languages are imbued with its doctrines.
    It may not have the control it had 100 years ago, but on average at least 70% of the population of the West still identifies as Christian.

    So how are people like Robert Reich, Buttplug and Sarcasmic so appallingly ignorant of its basics?

    1. Don't look at me!   8 months ago

      Ignorance is strength!

    2. Nobartium   8 months ago

      The phrase "I forgot more than you know" isn't a statement of the triumph of atheism.

    3. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

      It is willful ignorance, as seen above.

      Can give them information to try to regulate their ignorance, but they refuse to educate themselves and rely on preferred liberal narratives instead.

    4. sarcasmic   8 months ago

      I’ve seen people get giddy at the prospect of war in the holy land, and cheer for those who want to start it. They believe it means the rapture is coming and all that. Am I going to believe my own eyes, or your creative lies? I’m going with my own eyes.
      And no I didn’t say all Christians or all Evangelicals. That’s you mischaracterizing what I said. Something you get soooo worked up about when it happens to poor, poor, Trump. Yet it’s your standard way of making an argument. And you’re the first to call someone a hypocrite. What a colossal piece of shit you are.

      1. damikesc   8 months ago

        No, you have not.

        You have seen people hoping that FINALLY the crap there settles, but you have not seen anybody APPLAUDING the end times.

        1. sarcasmic   8 months ago

          Just because YOU don't feel that way doesn't mean I haven't know OTHER people who did.

          1. damikesc   8 months ago

            I do not believe you do. I know REALLY fundamental Christian types and none of them, literally none, are looking forward to the Rapture.

            ...see, even though WE are saved, the misery that it will entail is not going to be terribly pleasant for anybody else and misery is not really a good thing to applaud.

            1. sarcasmic   8 months ago

              Whatever dude. Call me a liar. Try to gaslight me. Won’t change anything though it will win you lots of points with the other dickheads who get off on telling people what they really think, know and believe.

              1. damikesc   8 months ago

                Sarc, of ALL people, you have no room to complain that people "lie" about you.

                Sure, you might know a "rapture" enthusiast. Funny how "not-very-religious" folks seem to know these people all of the time.

                I bet it is totally legit.

                1. sarcasmic   8 months ago

                  Maybe some of these "not-very-religious" folk grew up around "extremely-religious" folk, and they aren't religious anymore because those people were fucking nutters that turned them off of religion forever.

              2. Mother's Lament   8 months ago

                "Try to gaslight me."

                You're literally trying to gaslight us about Christian sects.

                If you have seen Christians saying what you claim, who are they?
                What is their denomination?

                1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

                  Shrike literally tried tbis with pompeo yesterday when all pompeo stated was standard Christian knowledge of the rapture, not advocating for it to occur next week.

                  The idiots have a narrativ4 based on lies and they won't relent.

                2. sarcasmic   8 months ago

                  Why? So you can attack them and lie about them too?

                  1. Bertram Guilfoyle   8 months ago

                    In all fairness, you do lie pretty regularly.

                    1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

                      One might say he lies routinely, daily, hourly.

                  2. Mother's Lament   8 months ago

                    "Why? So you can attack them and lie about them too?"

                    Hahahahaha, not even a four year old would pull that. Particularly since you were just attacking them yourself, by saying that they are trying to start the end of the world.
                    What a joke you are.

                    The reason you won't tell us, is because that denomination doesn't exist. You made the whole thing up.

            2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

              Every car with an illegal immigrant hunter bumper sticker has another sticker demanding the rapture. I'm sure.

      2. Mother's Lament   8 months ago

        "I’ve seen people get giddy at the prospect of war in the holy land, and cheer for those who want to start it. They believe it means the rapture is coming and all that.

        This is a lie.

        You know it's a lie. You've seen nothing of the sort.
        Why would they do something that is against their religion for their religion?

        1. sarcasmic   8 months ago

          You know it’s a lie. You’ve seen nothing of the sort.

          Sure, mind-reader.

          Why would they do something that is against their religion for their religion?

          I don’t know. I was just the observer. Unlike you I don’t read minds. Oh, here’s another thing. These same people wanted to be buried on Mount Sinai because they thought that would mean they’d be raptured first. Again, not a lie. That’s what they claimed.

          Keep calling me a liar. I know it scores you lots of points with your gang. But repeating that doesn’t make it true. Just makes you a fucking asshole.

          1. Mother's Lament   8 months ago

            I call you a liar because you are a liar. A dirty little liar.

            We gave you an opportunity to name this mysterious denomination that believes in immanentizing the escutcheon, and you can’t even do that. Yet still you double down.

            What a clown.

            1. Bertram Guilfoyle   8 months ago

              Believe all women sarc-ecdotes!

        2. Medulla Oblongata   8 months ago

          I feel confident he's seen it. Probably wasn't real, but he saw it.

      3. Bertram Guilfoyle   8 months ago

        “I’ve seen people get giddy at the prospect of war in the holy land, and cheer for those who want to start it.”

        What kind of bumper stickers do they have?

    5. Super Scary   8 months ago

      I didn’t know that was an already established prayer, but then again I was raised Methodist. However, for Reich to jump right to “TRUMP THINKS HE’S GOD’S AVENGING ANGEL!” is straight up TDS of the highest order.

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   8 months ago

        A liberal atheist is always going to be bothered by expressions of Christian faith.

      2. damikesc   8 months ago

        Do not forget that Reich used to keep a diary that he made shit up in.

        No, that is not a joke. Nor an exaggeration.

    6. Quicktown Brix   8 months ago

      So how are people like Robert Reich, Buttplug and Sarcasmic so appallingly ignorant of its basics?

      Oh come on now. I'm a super religious Seventh Day Avenger even I misunderstand some of these epoxy lips prophesies.

      1. Dillinger   8 months ago

        I tried Shang-Chi & Legend of Ten Rings on a flight yesterday but didn't finish because we landed is it worth finishing?

        1. Quicktown Brix   8 months ago

          Only on a Saturday.

          1. Dillinger   8 months ago

            my brother believes Monday isn’t the first day of the week but I always thought it was because I ran him through a doorway width-wise and bonked his head pretty good when he was like 11

            1. Quicktown Brix   8 months ago

              Requesting Chumby to set up a Bangkok joke here.

        2. damikesc   8 months ago

          No. You will just want to not finish it a few hours later.

          1. Dillinger   8 months ago

            lol thank you.

      2. Mother's Lament   8 months ago

        "Seventh Day Avenger"

        To be fair, most of the big Nicene Creed brand Christians think the Adventists are just a small step away from being Jehovah's Witnesses.

    7. mad.casual   8 months ago

      The West has been completely Christianized for at least 900 years. Every aspect of its culture and languages are imbued with its doctrines.
      It may not have the control it had 100 years ago, but on average at least 70% of the population of the West still identifies as Christian.

      And, even before, it wasn’t a wholly unknown and radically divergent theology that fell completely out of the blue beforehand either. It has its critical distinctions from other peer religions but it’s not like Pastafarianism.

      1. Medulla Oblongata   8 months ago

        May you be touched by His noodly appendage.

    8. Minadin   8 months ago

      I guess we will have to add yet another subject to the pile of topics that Robert Reich is wrong about.

  22. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

    I’m going to state that this strike is overblown and overrated for imports. We import far, far more stuff through the West Coast ports than anything on the East Coast. I’ll go through Liz’s concerns here.

    Food: yes, you’ll have issues with bananas, chocolate, olive oil, and mid to high end snacks from Europe. Anything else is either made/grown in US/Canada/Mexico and uses the rails or is imported via the West Coast.

    Lumber: Liz, any imported lumber comes typically from Canada, and that is transported by rail, not cargo ship. And if building supplies come from overseas, it’s SE Asia and China, thus it will come through the West Coast ports.

    When my men hit the streets from Maine to Texas, every single port locked down. You know what's going to happen? I'll tell you.

    I’ll tell you too, Daggett, it’ll all be rerouted through the West Coast ports and shipped across the country via rail. The biggest things you’ll upset are exports of cereals (corn, wheat, soybeans) from the Midwest via New Orleans, and exports of liquified natural gas out of Houston. Almost anything else can and will be rerouted.

    1. Ron   8 months ago

      West coast U.S. logs are shipped to Chinese ships 200 miles out where they are milled and then brought back as imports. its fucking stupid but thats what regulations do they destroy our ability to manufacture here.

  23. Fist of Etiquette   8 months ago

    Biden has said he does not believe in Taft-Hartley, and will thus not be doing so.

    Biden's handlers want the strike to go through???

  24. Fist of Etiquette   8 months ago

    Councilman Shaun Abreu is has gotten the rest of city council on board with a rat contraceptives pilot program.

    Have they even considered convincing the rats that they're actually transgender and need medical intervention?

    1. Ron   8 months ago

      so what will they do put out chemical contraceptive which will in the end affect other animals as well. that won't end well, i think there are a couple apocalyptic theories about animal depopulation. but then again maybe thats the ultimate plan

    2. Gaear Grimsrud   8 months ago

      Why can't they just put rubber vending machines in the sewers?

    3. Chumby   8 months ago

      The spermin vermin will be squirmin.

  25. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   8 months ago

    "...Biden has said he does not believe in Taft-Hartley,..."

    His "belief" has nothing to do with it; if his handlers slip him a paper invoking it and tell him to sign, we'll get T-H relief.

  26. Fist of Etiquette   8 months ago

    Israel has a right to defend itself against Hezbollah...

    Hezbollahocide.

  27. Fist of Etiquette   8 months ago

    It's time to circulate a petition to my bosses to exempt me from having to watch it...

    YOU WATCH IT SO WE DON'T HAVE TO.

    1. Sometimes a Great Notion   8 months ago

      Who does she think she is, a Longshoreman?

    2. Chumby   8 months ago

      She could skip it, instead watch some porn with her hubby and make another baby. Bow chick-a-bow-wow.

      1. Gaear Grimsrud   8 months ago

        Very poor taste to talk about good Liz that way. But I laughed anyway. I feel like you're that bad crowd my mom told me not to hang out with.

        1. Chumby   8 months ago

          But not that porn referenced in the other article.

  28. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   8 months ago

    "Legacy admissions banned at California colleges under new law"
    https://thehill.com/homenews/education/4909128-legacy-admissions-ban-california-colleges-newsom/

    He seems to think he was appointed economics tsar at some time.

  29. Fist of Etiquette   8 months ago

    Students across New York City are waiting up to an hour for school buses as a driver shortage and conflict over a contract hamstring the city's ability to find a solution...

    Let's stop the immigrant boxing program and move to an immigrant bus driving program. Do I have to think of everything.

    1. Sometimes a Great Notion   8 months ago

      Not so fast, they may need those boxing skills in their new career as a NYC bus driver.

    2. Chumby   8 months ago

      If they teamed up with Greyhound, it could be a meals program too.

  30. Fist of Etiquette   8 months ago

    Rates of breast cancer are climbing, with sharpest increases occurring among women in their twenties.

    Let's see, what has changed recently.

    1. Ron   8 months ago

      could it have been a vaccine that has been shown to cause turbo cancer

    2. Mike Parsons   8 months ago

      the LGBTQ community is hard at work on this, ridding girls of their breasts with cancer preventing mastectomies at puberty

      1. Mother's Lament   8 months ago

        If I told a gay man thirty years ago that there would be people in the future "curing" gay teens by castrating them and telling them they are really women, he would have assumed that the Handmaid's Tale had come true.

        1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

          Or been Iranian.

  31. Red Rocks White Privilege   8 months ago

    Robert Reich
    @RBReich
    Trump increasingly suggests that he is God's chosen instrument of wrath and that his opponents are “evil spirits” to be ”cast into hell.”
    If you don’t find this terrifying, you’re not paying attention.

    I don't know about "God's chosen instrument," and let's face it, Reich has no standing to criticize anyone about religion given his own stupid political theology, but where's the lie about people like Reich and his ilk being evil spirits, given their rhetoric, actions, and policies over the last few years?

    If I was a demon looking to be upgraded to a higher tier in Hell, I couldn't have come up with a better way of accomplishing that than influencing western and more specifically, American culture over the last 35 years.

    1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

      The Quarter Reich is exactly that evil spirit. There aren’t many worse than him other than Hillary Clinton and Marc Elias.

    2. Dillinger   8 months ago

      spot-on. cloven hooves in those size-six penny loafers.

    3. mad.casual   8 months ago

      If I was a demon looking to be upgraded to a higher tier in Hell, I couldn’t have come up with a better way of accomplishing that than influencing western and more specifically, American culture over the last 35 years.

      There's actual couple scenes in fiction where the Devil is actually put off by child sacrifices. Nuances like innocent children don't serve in Hell and the publicity only exposes him and turns people against him.

      Even the Devil is like "WTF? Why would you convince a kid to cut their own dick off?"

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   8 months ago

        There’s actual couple scenes in fiction where the Devil is actually put off by child sacrifices. Nuances like innocent children don’t serve in Hell and the publicity only exposes him and turns people against him.

        That's mostly self-serving on the part of the writer more than anything else. Corruption and harm of the innocent is a classic Satanic practice, which is why marxist academics over the decades have argued for the removal of social stigma over taboo fetishes like incest and pedophilia, not just general sexual hedonism like orgies, or studies of childhood masturbation by deviant predators like Alfred Kinsey.

        1. Mother's Lament   8 months ago

          Which is why the current "Satanist" LARPing by so many edgelord antitheists is so retarded.

        2. mad.casual   8 months ago

          That’s mostly self-serving on the part of the writer more than anything else.

          When earnest, yeah.

          More often when I see it, the topic is between purely comedic and pointed satire of how sky daddies are straight ignorance but trolling in the name of fire daddies is a serious proposition or existential question.

    4. Sometimes a Great Notion   8 months ago

      Soviets beat hell spawn to the punch, once again.

  32. Chumby   8 months ago

    The US should look to Sweden to modernize their ports. The Stockholm admiralty affixed barcodes on each of their naval vessels so that when the fleet returns from sea, the harbormaster can scan da navy in.

  33. Spartacus   8 months ago

    Fun fact: Michaelmas is basically the reason the fedgov's budget year starts on Oct 1.

  34. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   8 months ago

    It's not getting a lot of press, but it looks like the "fraud" judgement against Trump might be under fire:

    "'Mission Creep' Surrounds Trump’s Fraud Verdict"
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trgUkDOK9SE

    1. Gaear Grimsrud   8 months ago

      Yeah there hasn't been much coverage but from what I've seen the panel was at least a majority asking some tough tough questions. Just oral arguments but I don't see James winning in this court. And by the way. Why the fuck do New Yorkers call their inferior courts Supreme courts? What the hell is wrong with these people? Do they not grasp the English language?

      1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   8 months ago

        Those are questions which should have been asked at the trial; doesn't someone need to be defrauded for the commission of fraud to be alleged?

      2. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

        It goes back a long time to some petty dispute where the NY legislature added a court (Court of Appeals) above them.

      3. ducksalad   8 months ago

        Why the fuck do New Yorkers call their inferior courts Supreme courts?

        That’s nothing. Have you looked into the way they elect judges in NY?

        First the voters elect people to the office of Judicial Delegate. The sole function of the delegate is to attend a judicial convention to nominate candidates. Only candidates nominated by these conventions can run for judge in the general election.

        It appears to be a scheme by which party officials can control who gets nominated rather than having a normal primary that might accidentally pick someone they don't like.

        1. Gaear Grimsrud   8 months ago

          So kind of an electoral college but all of the electors are faithless.

  35. DeAnnP   8 months ago

    "The current ILA contract specifies pay of $39 per hour for longshoremen (so roughly $80,000 annually), with starting salaries a bit lower. This doesn't account for overtime, which is generous. For longshoremen who log aggressive overtime, we're talking $200,000 annually. This is some of the highest pay available for a job that does not require a college degree."

    Aggressive overtime. So one must work most of their waking hours to achieve this amount of $200,000. U$A

    1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   8 months ago

      I'm sure when you go grocery shopping, you buy the most expensive products so those poor stocking clerks make more money, right?

    2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

      Overtime is time and a half. Need help with the math? May even be double pay. Have never read the union contract.

      1. Minadin   8 months ago

        Double on Sundays.

        1. Ron   8 months ago

          Tripple on Holidays. I have relatives that work at a hospital and thats the pay there

    3. Don't look at me!   8 months ago

      You would only have to work 100 hours a week to make $200k.

      Similar to a small business owner.

      1. mad.casual   8 months ago

        Just pay everyone a million dollars a year to work 2000 hours and we'll all be millionaires!

      2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

        Less due to time and a half.

      3. ducksalad   8 months ago

        The real number using time-and-half for overtime is about 80 hours per week. Which is aggressive but not at all impossible, plenty of people do it.

        1. Don't look at me!   8 months ago

          Ask anyone running a business how many hours they work.

    4. Chumby   8 months ago

      You are free to give them some of your own money if you think they are being treated unfairly.

  36. Dillinger   8 months ago

    Hit. King.

  37. Dillinger   8 months ago

    >>Union boss Harold Daggett (who makes $710,909 annually in total compensation, in case you were curious)

    I'm not, because good for him. Hanging anything on the dead covid-infected dockworker epidemic of '20-'21 is ludicrous speed though he should be mocked for that.

    1. Gaear Grimsrud   8 months ago

      Never saw the viral videos of dead dockworkers being hauled off of the ports? Me neither.

    2. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

      It would be a real shame if something terrible happened to him.

  38. Dillinger   8 months ago

    >>Biden has said he does not believe in Taft-Hartley, and will thus not be doing so.

    even if B wanted to help KH it's difficult for him to man the levers with a dagger in his chest

  39. Dillinger   8 months ago

    >>what exactly do leftists make of this union stunt?

    attention scale set to "Does it destroy T?"

  40. Chumby   8 months ago

    Imagine if the fifty centers had a union. And they went on strike demanding higher pay post and guarantees that they would not be replaced with AI.

    1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

      Given how retarded our fifty centers are, AI would be an improvement.

      1. Dillinger   8 months ago

        I'd drop a couple quarters in the 50-center-replacement machine

      2. Mother's Lament   8 months ago

        You men Buttplug and Sqrlsy aren't badly programmed bots?

        1. Dillinger   8 months ago

          if something programmed Sqrlsy it should win awards.

          1. Bertram Guilfoyle   8 months ago

            sqrlsy has to be someone on the reason staff. Who would spend time generating stream of conciousness gibberish like that without being paid?

          2. Chumby   8 months ago

            A failed project by Deploracle.

        2. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

          I don’t think one could program an AI to be that fucking retarded (especially in Sqrlsy’s case) if one tried. That depth of stupidity is too damn organic.

  41. Dillinger   8 months ago

    >>Daggett and Co. have decided that they'll still work passenger cruises

    makes sense if union discount cruises were a part of the last deal.

  42. Dillinger   8 months ago

    I’m assuming NYT didn’t cover the biblical damage bc it garnered scant mention here either.

    edit: my apologies I see a bullet-point from yesterday when I was not here.

  43. mad.casual   8 months ago

    The Cruises Will Be Spared
    …
    At midnight, the longshoremen of the East Coast and Gulf officially went on strike. From Maine to Texas, our ports are about to deal with some wild backlogs.

    BECAUSE WE DIDN”T REPEEL THE GODDAMNED MOTHERFUKCING KRISCHUN NATIONALISTS PROTEKSHUNIST JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONES ACT!!!!!!!!!!

    1. mad.casual   8 months ago

      Good luck to those in western North Carolina and eastern Tennessee who will now get to work on rebuilding their communities, devastated by Hurricane Helene, without being able to use…any imports (like lumber). Good luck to those who need imported medication. Good luck to those who were already struggling with high food prices; they just got a lot worse.

      Thanks a lot to the anti-liberty globalists who routinely pointed out that THE problem with moving manufacturing to China was because it's anti-free trade, anti-globalist, and would make toasters cost $250.

      Fuckers.

      1. Rick James   8 months ago

        I was going to craft a comment about how it would be more difficult for Longshoremen to block toasters from being moved from Poughkeepsie to Des Moines, but then I thought "fuck, let's go bowling, dude."

        1. Gaear Grimsrud   8 months ago

          Alright. But I don't roll on Shabbos.

        2. mad.casual   8 months ago

          "Learn to code your way out of natural disasters." - Reason Magazine

  44. Dillinger   8 months ago

    >>according to a U.S. State Department spokesman. “Israel has a right to defend itself against Hezbollah,”

    KH only supports Hamas?

  45. Dillinger   8 months ago

    >>Rates of breast cancer are climbing, with sharpest increases occurring among women in their twenties.

    Mr. Teigen is sporting both band-aids on his shoulder in the new commercial.

  46. Dillinger   8 months ago

    >>There's a vice-presidential debate tonight.

    Dan Quayle happiest man on earth this morning.

    1. Chumby   8 months ago

      Is he still out and about or has he turned into a couch potatoe?

      1. Dillinger   8 months ago

        quayle on sweet potatoe puray yum. he's @Cerberus Investments. terrifying on several levels.

        1. Mother's Lament   8 months ago

          Chair of a multibillion-dollar private-equity firm, the deep state keeps itself comfortable.

          1. Dillinger   8 months ago

            not even clever naming their group after the watchdog of the underworld

      2. Gaear Grimsrud   8 months ago

        Personally I've always thought Quayle got a bad rap. The whole kerfuffle is a pre internet cancelling by the leftist press. Quayle was no idiot. While he was wrong to correct the kid's spelling, potatoe was a pretty common spelling at the time. I had seen it many times particularly in Russian novels translated into English.
        https://steemit.com/potato/@abdulmanna/spelling-potato-potatoe#:~:text=For%20example%2C%20the%20New%20York,ironic%20way%2C%20referencing%20this%20incident.
        "The vice-president averred that the correct spelling had an –e at the end, a statement which engendered no small amount of ridicule. In fact, he is still being mocked for it to this day. After all, the fact that ‘potato’ has no –e at the end of it is something that we all pride ourselves on knowing with every fiber of our being. Isn’t it?
        Not the only one
        But why do we know this so well? Is it perhaps because Quayle was so relentlessly excoriated that this particular spelling lesson has become learned on a national level? The spelling of potatoe, while not terribly common, existed for almost the entire 20th century. For example, the New York Times was still occasionally spelling potato with an –e in 1988. In fact, one can easily find spellings of potatoe all the way up to 15 June of 1992, at which point they suddenly drop off or become used in an ironic way, referencing this incident. Quayle may have misspelled the word, but in doing so perhaps he taught the rest of us how to not make his error."

        1. Dillinger   8 months ago

          >>pre internet cancelling by the leftist press

          may also have been the first "lolwut?" because it was so stupid but effective

        2. Chumby   8 months ago

          He also got into a debate with a sitcom, shitting on a fictional character having a child as a single mother. Not sure if his team would have won had Perot not also been in the mix, but he and Bush 1 did not connect well with folks. At least two Act Blue donors haven’t tried to assassinate him.

          1. Gaear Grimsrud   8 months ago

            Don't remember the sitcom thing. I do remember Bush going after a cartoon character, Bart Simpson. And believe me I'm no fan of Bush/Quayle. I just think the potatoe thing was a stupid distraction. I don't remember Dan Rather complaining when Bush invaded Panama to take out his old pal Noriega. But potatoe was front page above the fold for weeks.

            1. Chumby   8 months ago

              Murphy Brown

              1. Gaear Grimsrud   8 months ago

                Ok I had completely forgotten that. I actually watched that show back in the day. Pretty amusing. But I'm not sure Quayle was wrong in the underlying context of the speech which was about the breakdown of the black family due to the welfare state. The Murphy Brown comment was a single sentence in a 3000 word speech. It was obviously stupid to go after a Hollywood character because it gave the leftist media another excuse to mock him while ignoring the real issue, the negative consequences of The Great Society. Again I'm no fan of the Bushes. But the media always wants us to accept simple answers to complicated questions. The real world don't work that way.
                https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2018/09/27/how-dan-quayles-speech-about-black-poverty-became-murphy-brown-speech/

            2. Red Rocks White Privilege   8 months ago

              I do remember Bush going after a cartoon character, Bart Simpson.

              Did he? They did an episode where George moves in next door and he and Homer start a feud with each other, but I don't recall him mentioning Bart specifically.

              1. Sometimes a Great Notion   8 months ago

                “We are going to keep on trying to strengthen the American family, to make American families a lot more like the Waltons and a lot less like the Simpsons,”

                - George Bush

                “the dumbest thing I had ever seen”

                - Barb in reference to Simpsons

                1. Gaear Grimsrud   8 months ago

                  The odd thing about that Bush quote is that as time passed a lot of people including Christian conservatives pointed out that The Simpsons was actual a pretty wholesome show. A strong nuclear family that, despite their many travails, always came together for a happy ending.

              2. Gaear Grimsrud   8 months ago

                I forgot that too. The Homer V. Bush thing was hilarious.

              3. Dillinger   8 months ago

                GWB spanks Bart for his memoir getting diced in a runaway outboard motor. Homer starts a war. Gorbachev shows with gift for warming of house.

          2. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

            Yeah, that was pretty stupid on Quayle’s part. I always thought he should’ve congratulated the fictional character for keeping rather than aborting the kid.

        3. Ron   8 months ago

          I had heard that they gave a card to Quayle with that spelling on it. did they set him up, it would not surprise me knowing how they do cheat

        4. mad.casual   8 months ago

          To this day large parts of the Ohio Valley call green peppers mangoes and nobody rightly knows whether it's mangos or mangoes. In the 18th Century, well before actual mangoes were to be shipped in the region 'mango' was a verb meaning 'to pickle' and green peppers were commonly pickled.

          Funny thing is, probably about half the people who laughed a Quayle turned around later and said "Yeah, teaching ebonics is a good idea."

          And his (alleged) blind deferral to the experts composing the cue cards rather than using his head puts him about 30 yrs., billions, if not trillions, of dollars, and thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of lost lives ahead of the COVID idiots.

  47. Rick James   8 months ago

    They get laid off. Third week, mall starts closing down.

    Faster than they already are?

  48. Rick James   8 months ago

    Yet Daggett is threatening to hold entire sectors of the economy hostage so that his guys can get a raise—and dictate to their bosses that they shan't be replaced by technology that could in some cases make backbreaking work a lot less awful and dangerous while, yes, probably eliminating some number of jobs.

    1. Here's some "back-breaking" work that has all the modern aspects of safety and protections...and your $200,000 annual paycheck.

    2. Here's your pink slip with a little note which reads "learn to code".

    Choices choices...

  49. Rick James   8 months ago

    "Students across New York City are waiting up to an hour for school buses as a driver shortage and conflict over a contract hamstring the city's ability to find a solution," reports The New York Times.

    Zzz...

    Rates of breast cancer are climbing, with sharpest increases occurring among women in their twenties.

    Remember the last time we got a national, moral panic on breast cancer rates which turned out to be total bunk?

    1. Rick James   8 months ago

      Oh, by the by, if it turns out there actually IS a dramatic increase in breast cancer for women in their 20s, and there’s a correlation with birth control due to the hormonal changes it does to the body, you will never, ever know about it. You think they can hide a lab leak and a vaccine injury? You ain’t seen nothin’ yet.

      1. Zeb   8 months ago

        Haven't women in their 20s been taking birth control for many decades now? Or is there something new?

        1. Dillinger   8 months ago

          jab jab body blow body blow

        2. Rick James   8 months ago

          Not at the rates they do now. And it's increasingly being given to very young tween and teen girls for other medical reasons such as menstrual regulation.

          And by the way, I'm not claiming that's the issue, I'm merely claiming that if A is real, and B is a factor, you'll never know because our scientific establishment is broken.

          Think of it like this. Let's say that you noticed that every year, there was more X in society. Then someone did a study and found that yes, there is more X. But at the same time you know that there was a convergence of interest to not study the effects of Z. While Z might not be the contributing factor, the fact that you know that Z won't be looked at makes you suspicious of everything else. Even if Z isn't the factor.

        3. Don't look at me!   8 months ago

          Hey, that’s been established fact to be 100% safe and effective with no downsides!

          1. Gaear Grimsrud   8 months ago

            And no widespread fraud!

        4. Chumby   8 months ago

          Because guys in their twenties are gay, transitioning, still living with their boomer parents, or spending all their time with manga and Star Wars action figurines. Those don’t make the labia get wet.

          1. mad.casual   8 months ago

            +1 Fewer games of "Tune in, Tokyo", even solo, leading to less lump detection.

            1. Dillinger   8 months ago

              can you imagine that being the highlight of your career & your unfunny sister makes it 40 years longer?

        5. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

          Not IUDs. More copper based protection.

          1. Zeb   8 months ago

            Yeah, I guess there is that. Though I didn't think the copper ones were so common anymore.
            And didn't IUDs used to be mostly restricted to women who had had children already?

  50. Eeyore   8 months ago

    Seems like a good time to bring in an automation company.

    1. Eeyore   8 months ago

      They need to have a contract signed before they enter negotiations.

    2. Gaear Grimsrud   8 months ago

      Once the robots unionize it's all over. Sure Musk will have colonized mars but even the NLRB won't be able to open the pod bay doors.

  51. Vernon Depner   8 months ago

    How many of these jobs on the docks are no-show jobs for wise guys?

    1. Chumby   8 months ago

      Yes

  52. Dillinger   8 months ago

    Tehran: "Holy goat butts we better launch everything we have left."

    1. mad.casual   8 months ago

      Hamas praises ‘heroic’ Iranian ballistic missile attack on Israel
      ...
      * Palestinian reported killed by shrapnel in West Bank *

      [shrugs] LOL.

      1. Dillinger   8 months ago

        allahuakbar.

      2. Gaear Grimsrud   8 months ago

        He was obviously standing too close to the teleprompter.

  53. Gaear Grimsrud   8 months ago

    As we speak Iran is launching a full scale missile attack on Israel. Meanwhile the Longshoreman threaten supply chain disruption and inflated consumer costs. One presidential candidate has had two assassination attempts on his life. The other candidate promises holistic joy. Meanwhile Tony Blinken desperately pokes the bear hoping for WW3. The USD stands on the precipice of total collapse. Based on historical precedent the republic is due for an October Surprise in about two weeks. Will anybody even notice? Who will Reason editors strategically endorse? Will Chase Oliver be the last man standing after the impending apocalypse? Can he beat Jill Stein in a one on one race? Has the libertarian moment finally arrived? I have a two day supply of beer and cigarettes. Will it be enough?

    1. Bertram Guilfoyle   8 months ago

      Will Chase Oliver be the last man standing after the impending apocalypse?

      Depends; is he gay?

      1. Gaear Grimsrud   8 months ago

        Don't know. But he isn't an alternately black or Asian woman. Unless of course he identifies as one. Or the other.

    2. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

      Tune in next week for the next exciting episode of Reasonman. Same batshit time; same batshit channel.

    3. Chumby   8 months ago

      Three to six month supplies are better where starting at a week then supplementing after that works well for starters.
      Food (and means to prep + clean vessels/utensils).
      Water.
      Shelter that includes heating for cold.
      Toiletries + medical.
      Comms.
      A means to protect those.
      Lights.

    4. Don't look at me!   8 months ago

      I have a two day supply of beer and cigarettes.

      I’ll be right over.

      1. Gaear Grimsrud   8 months ago

        If you're looking for free beer and smokes your best bet is to head for San Francisco and register as a Vagrant/Ne're Do Well. Make sure you check both boxes. A vagrant could lose their status by like moving in with a cousin or something whereas a ne're do well indicates permanent status as a worthless ward of the state. The application is pretty tedious. Single spaced 5 point type with lots of boilerplate hold harmless and terms of service bullshit. Just keep scrolling and click on accept. Before you know it you'll be walking out with a fresh pack of Marlboros and a Colt 45 or a Mad Dog 20/20. Tomorrow just rinse and repeat.

        1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

          That sounds like Sarc’s paradise.

    5. Eeyore   8 months ago

      Two days? Amateur.

  54. JFree   8 months ago

    Israel has a right to defend itself against Hezbollah," said the spokesman

    This comment has nothing to do with Israel-Hezbollah going to war. It has everything to do with the perpetual shit that somehow states have 'rights'. Not rights of one state v rights of other states/govt. But that states have rights against individuals. Individuals have rights. States violate rights or they do whatever the fuck they want. But they don't have rights.

    Not a surprise that govt officials will spout that sort of shit. Not at all a surprise I guess that that shit is credible and unchallenged at a website like this.

    1. Bertram Guilfoyle   8 months ago

      ^speaking of spouting shit...

      1. Mother's Lament   8 months ago

        He's an evil little Nazi, who'd have nice things to say about the ghettos if they were still around.

        1. Chumby   8 months ago

          Arbeit Macht JFrei

    2. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

      Fucking anti semite.

  55. Dillinger   8 months ago

    hey are we quietly bombing Syria again or something? thought I saw a headline

  56. Medulla Oblongata   8 months ago

    “When a city has grown so overlarge and crowded that it is in immediate danger of collapse . . . when food and clean water flow into the city at a rate just sufficient to feed every mouth, and every hand must work constantly to keep it that way . . . when all transportation is involved in moving vital supplies, and none is left over to move people out of the city should the need arise . . . then it is that Crazy Eddie leads the movers of garbage out on strike for better working conditions.” Larry Niven, Herry Pournell, "The Mote In God's Eye".

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