Should California Vote To Roll Back Criminal Justice Reforms?
Conservatives blame Proposition 47 (2014) for higher rates of shoplifting in the state, but the real story is more complicated.

Conservatives often blame a 2014 California ballot initiative for an increase in crime across the state. Next month, voters have the option to undo some of its provisions. Should they?
California's Proposition 47 passed by a 60–40 margin in 2014. The proposal would "require misdemeanors instead of felonies for nonserious, nonviolent crimes like petty theft and drug possession, unless the defendant has prior convictions for specified violent or serious crimes," including murder and rape.
The measure established a monetary threshold for certain crimes, including shoplifting, grand theft, receiving stolen property, and check forgery. An offender caught committing a listed crime could only be charged with a misdemeanor, so long as the amount stolen was below $950. The change could also be applied retroactively to people who had already been sentenced.
Proposition 36, on the ballot in November, would walk back portions of Proposition 47. If the new measure passes, "an offender with two prior convictions for theft can be charged with a felony, regardless of the value of the stolen property," and "The value of property stolen in multiple thefts will be permitted to be added together so that in appropriate cases an offender may be charged with felony theft instead of petty theft."
The original measure's $950 limit has long been controversial among conservatives, especially after viral social media videos depicted masked assailants committing brazen smash-and-grab robberies in San Francisco. "Californians effectively decriminalized shoplifting. Not surprisingly, they have more of it," Manhattan Institute Senior Fellow Jason L. Riley wrote in a 2021 Wall Street Journal editorial that deemed San Francisco "a shoplifter's paradise."
At a rally in Pennsylvania over the weekend, amid a larger digression about crime and policing, former President Donald Trump said California's relaxed penalties were to blame for higher rates of theft in the state.
"Nine hundred and fifty dollars, you're allowed to steal; anything above that, you will be prosecuted," he said. "Originally, you saw kids walk in with calculators, they would calculate—they didn't want to go over the $950."
Trump has made similar claims on the campaign trail for several weeks, saying in August, "You have thieves going into stores with calculators calculating how much it is, because if it's less than $950 they can rob it and not get charged."
Of course, it's not true that shoplifting less than $950 is no longer illegal—it can still be charged as a misdemeanor. "What Prop 47 did is increase the dollar amount by which theft can be prosecuted as a felony from $400 to $950 to adjust for inflation and cost of living," Alex Bastian, who co-authored the proposition, told the Associated Press in 2021. "But most shoplifting cases are under $400 to begin with, so before Prop 47 and after Prop 47, there isn't any difference."
And even after being raised to $950, California's felony threshold is lower than more than half of all other U.S. states: Deep red states like Montana and Kansas set theirs at $1,500, while Texas's is set at $2,500.
"Under current law, prosecutors can already add together thefts that are demonstrably related, for example multiple thefts from the same store in the same week or skimming small amounts from your employer every day," notes the Vera Institute of Justice, a nonprofit research and policy advocacy organization that supports criminal justice reform (and opposes Proposition 36).
In fairness, evidence indicates that certain crimes did increase after Proposition 47. "Driven by larcenies, property crime jumped after Prop 47 compared to the nation and comparison states," according to a September 2024 report by the Public Policy Institute of California. At the same time, it wasn't the biggest contributor: "Evidence is clearer that retail theft increased due to pandemic responses by the criminal justice system, and the increases were of greater magnitude than increases due to Prop 47."
Similarly, a 2018 study in Criminology & Public Policy found "that Prop 47 had no effect on homicide, rape, aggravated assault, robbery, or burglary. Larceny and motor vehicle thefts, however, seem to have increased moderately," but the rates of increase were both minor and had other potential causes.
It's also worth noting that when Proposition 47 was on the ballot, it wasn't particularly controversial, even among conservatives. Newt Gingrich and Sen. Rand Paul (R–Ky.) both penned editorials in favor of the proposal, each co-authored with B. Wayne Hughes Jr. (Hughes, a Republican billionaire, donated over $1.25 million in support of the proposal, just edging out the amount given by George Soros' Fund for Policy Reform.)
"Obviously, we need prisons for people who are dangerous, and there should be harsh punishments for those convicted of violent crimes," read Gingrich's editorial. "But California has been overusing incarceration. Prisons are for people we are afraid of, but we have been filling them with many folks we are just mad at."
"We must change our current system – a system that drains tax dollars, destabilizes families and, worse, isn't making us any safer," read Paul's. "It's therefore no surprise that conservatives embrace this measure….When something offers so much promise for our public safety and public resources, why wouldn't we?"
In part, the original proposal was a response to Brown v. Plata, the 2011 Supreme Court decision which determined that placing a limit on California's prison population was "necessary to remedy the violation of prisoners' constitutional rights." A district court panel had determined the state's prison facilities held nearly twice as many inmates as they were designed for, and it ordered the state "to reduce its prison population to 137.5% of design capacity," a reduction which "could be as high as 46,000 persons."
"A decade of research has concluded that Prop 47 accomplished its goals," the Vera Institute notes. "Studies have concluded that it reduced recidivism, saved the state more than $800 million, and reduced both the prison population and its racial disparities. Researchers have shown that it did not increase violent crime, robbery, or burglary."
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Making life easy for criminals will not reduce crime.
$950 in one shoplifting trip or posting 1,900 times supporting Kamala; which takes less effort?
Actually, that is a close call. There is software that allows posting hundreds of times with little more effort than posting once.
Without knowing the details here, I think a misdemeanor for theft under $950 is fine. The key is actually prosecuting those misdemeanors though.
I'd guess the increase in CA crime has more do do with "reform" prosecutors and police non-arrest policies in big cities than with Prop 47.
Yes - something Lancaster completely ignores to strawman 'conservatives' with an argument they're not even making.
Prosecutors are just not trying. They will contort the law to convict people they want to convict.
They could adjust the prices to the value at time of trial to show that it is in fact now a felony.
They could add the value of multiple thefts from the same corporation to get to a felony.
They could show that multiple theives stealing in a mob collectively combined committed a felony and add additional charges of conspiracy.
They just aren't trying.
Yeah, unspoken in all of this is that virtually never are these "One $949 iPhone in the jacket pocket, one time when no one was looking." shoplifting/thefts.
Frequently they're in broad daylight and pretty openly encroaching on collusive smash and grabs or strong-armed robbery.
To say nothing of the fact that they're similarly rarely knocking over a bodega for milk or bread or vitamins or baby formula.
Prop 47 is the issue it was stupid of my fellow Californians to vote for it. it even allowed for teh theft of guns to be misdemeanors, misdemeanors is nothing crimes and no one punish them for it, bring back 3 strikes.
the idea that $950 crime is nothing just wait until you have a job to do and your lawn equipment or survey equipment etc are stolen and you are on a tight budget. so then you buy new equipment and they steal that the next day because its just a fucking misdemeanor. and then your insurance cancels you. it is a big crime
A misdemeanor is a bit more than nothing (if it is actually enforced). I think the lack of enforcement is probably the larger factor than the lack of potential felony charges.
" (if it is actually enforced)"
That's the rub.
misdemeanors is nothing crimes and no one punish them for it
Well there's your problem.
That's the issue. They've stopped prosecuting most misdemeanors all together, and this is well known by would be shoplifters.
Scofflaws are nearly universally bad. If there's a law on the books that you're not enforcing, you should either enforce the law or repeal the law. Either is preferable to a scofflaw, because such puts WAY too much power in the hands of police and especially prosecutors.
It's largely just one man who's cause most of the surging property crime in CA.
After he termed out in San Francisco, George Gascon was elected to be the DA of L.A. County in 2020 and enacted the same policy in L.A. as he had (and his successor had maintained) in SF. That policy being that his office would categorically not prosecute any misdemeanor within the jurisdiction (in this case, a county containing about 1/4 of the State's population).
Prop 47 didn't legalize shoplifting or theft under $950 (excluding theft of firearms) in the State, but George Gascon did so for all practical purposes in two of the State's major counties; since the DA announced that charges wouldn't be prosecuted, police stopped making arrests and no longer respond to calls about minor crimes since there's not much of any consequence they can do. Surprisingly, even the leftist NPCs making up the bulk of the L.A. County electorate are apparently done with it though, since it looks like only 20% say they currently plan to vote for Gascon's re-election in a month (44% plan to vote for his opponent with 33% undecided).
Whether or not to roll back parts of Prop 47 is a minor factor, really. The difference will come when any version of laws return to being enforced in L.A., and because of population concentration, changes in L.A. will have a major impact on statewide statistics.
LA reported zero murders to the FBI the last 2 years, so the reforms are working.
They are just lazy and the paperwork is long and annoying.
If the dead can make it to the polls then surely they can file their own police reports.
Makes sense to me, but only after a stern warning that including false information on a police report is a felony and you might want to reconsider filing one or including any information.
Governor Newsom said that if Prop 36 passes, the state would go back to the 1980's.
https://x.com/EndWokeness/status/1837194867262558211?t=eY47eOfsOBBA9PmaaHj7Zw&s=19
What was wrong with the 1980's?
Newsom is really into feces on the streets and open-air drug markets.
I had a good frigging time in California in the eighties!
The problem is that the bolshevik prosecutors let everyone go. If they actually prosecuted habitual shoplifters for misdemeanors this conversation wouldnt be happening.
Lowering the threshold to make it a felony and tinkering with the rules wont matter. The bolsheviks will still just let everyone go. But they WILL make it a crime to protect your own property. Stop a shoplifter with your own use of force and they will drop the hammer on you.
It seems like they always try and convict people for self defense.
It's not hard for a prosecutor to elevate assault charges to a felony in CA, and if any kind of weapon is used, it pretty much starts there.
Since the DA in L.A. County has sworn off prosecuting misdemeanors, someone who injures an unarmed mugger will likely end up being the only person involved in the incident to catch a charge under the Gascon regime. Even de-escalating a street crime by brandishing a weapon as the potential victim might lead to the armed person being the only one charged, if the DA decides that the weapon itself violated some version of the multitude of 2A infractions that the 9th circuit has allowed CA to establish over the last few decades.
So your only remaining recourse is to steal back from the thief. Or from somebody, anyway. Join the circle of theft!
Depending on where the theft is happening, there's the option to kill the thief and plant some kind of weapon on/around them before the cops get there.
Since CA has both "stand your ground" and "castle doctrine" laws on the books, if there's only one side to the account of what happened and it seems plausible that you felt yourself to be in extreme danger then a self defense claim could hold up. Just don't try that where there's any kind of surveillance/security cameras.
It's the conjunction of policy to not spend resources on misdemeanors plus this change in law. Only the law is directly attackable because any change in policy and crime defenders like Joe will trot out some kid as a potential felon to tug on your heartstrings to protect career criminals.
But they WILL make it a crime to protect your own property.
They WILL make it a crime for YOU to protect your own property.
Dear god Lancaster, this is a stupid article.
Its not just the law. Its also the refusal of police to respond to theft calls if they're not for felony-theft. Its the refusal of prosecutors to prosecute those misdemeanors when they are arrested.
Its not the law that conservatves are laying the blame on, its the refusal to enforce law at all that they've been pointing out has made these thieves so brazen.
Don't forget cities even threatening stores like Target with charging them for reporting shoplifting.
Can't we consider something in-between doing nothing and a felony conviction for drug offenses?
Not as long as Soros DAs exist. They will refuse to enforce the law to the very limits of staying in office which forces this kind of stand off, same as any other extremist.
Cut off the right hand?
Force them to smoke the whole thing? Seems to sometimes work with cigarettes.
Send them all to Australia?
I was thinking of sending them to America’s newest penal colony – Springfield Illinois.
You’re fucking kidding me, Reason.
You know, I’ve been thinking about this “it’s not my fault” disposition Reason has been taking on crime lately and I came up with an analogy.
I’m for 2nd amendment rights the way… the way ENB is about abortion… well, actually, no, there are other things that matter to me too, like the 1st amendment, but still, the point can still be made.
So, what that means is that if I had my way, fully automatic weapons would be for sale under the counter at any fine Korean Grocery Store anywhere. No ID, no prescription, sold from vending machines… just like that 100% safe and effective abortion drug that may or may not have been used before that woman bled out in the parking lot because the hospital refused to treat her for an infection. So, imagine that, but for guns.
Now, let’s pretend that unlike abortion and 100% safe and effective abortion drugs, and legalized shoplifting for up to $900 per person, and diversion programs, and not arresting anyone for anything… let’s pretend that I get my way. You can walk into any fine inner city establishment where you can buy a Colt Monitor Machine gun and the Asiatic don’t give you any static, it’s just hand over the money and BAM, you’re hooked up, bro. Hooked up like a sex worker walking away from the Plan B Vending Kiosk…
If what immediately followed was a bloodbath of gun violence on the street with sharp upturns in people being murdered, innocents being killed in drive-bys, stores being held up, gang shootings… I would have to be Reason-level retarded to not expect some kind of a popular backlash against this policy.
Fyi, the "it's complicated" is a classic journolismist way of deflecting when the narrative isn't going xer way.
Seattle Times did that for years before they finally threw in the towel and admitted that homelessness was actually a problem.
"Is Homelessness getting worse in Seattle? It's complicated..."
"Is crime going up in Seattle? It's complicated..."
"Did everything Rick James predicted would happen back in the 90s come true? It's complicated..."
"Are we as retarded as they say? It's complicated..."
Usually it's not one overzealous position that causes the problem but multiple overzealous positions all approved by the same group of people that lead to the issue. The "it's complicated" dodge just means "my worldview is a complete failure but I can't admit being repeatedly wrong" in modern activist journolist.
So, imagine that, but for guns.
[Picks teeth with 6.5 CM round] Go on...
How big are the gaps in your teeth?
LOL
If what immediately followed was a bloodbath of gun violence on the street with sharp upturns in people being murdered, innocents being killed in drive-bys, stores being held up, gang shootings… I would have to be Reason-level retarded to not expect some kind of a popular backlash against this policy.
+1 Yes, I've even said as much. If Anytown, USA suffers a machine gun attack killing 20 people, a "two week" lockdown on open carry of machine guns within city limits makes sense. Especially if it's actually 14 fucking days. If, a year later, they pass a law saying, "Anyone caught with a loaded machine gun in public within city limits is guilty of disturbing the public peace, non-residents get one warning." I'd say they're still withing the 2A. Especially if it's got a sunset clause.
But by the same "Insane *actually* means doing the same thing over and over, expecting a different result, but getting more of the same." token, if you've banned knives, guns of all types, pointy sticks and tools with rounded-but-not-too-rounded edges, and enacted licenses and restrictions for having any/all of the above in your pocket anywhere in the state, you aren't taking a controversial approach to solving a problem, you're just fucking with people because that's what you do.
"Of course, it's not true thst shoplifting less $950 was no longer illegal..."
The quotes this is rebutting used language like "decriminalize". "Decriminalize" does not mean "not illegal", it general.mesning is that a crime will not be prosecuted. Lancaster is being disingenuous and is arguing against a strawman here. The level at which a felony kicks in would matter less if misdemeanor shoplifting were prosecuted. The situation that has developed are a combination of many poorly thought out laws and executive decisions on how to enforce them or not. The proposition route is a poor way for the electorate to make changes to bad policy, but it is the weapon available.
Correct. Sending officers for a kid stealing a candy bar is one thing while refusing to send officers as 6 people empty half an aisle is another and Joe is doing everything he can to equate the two.
Problem: Cops refuse to respond to misdemeanor complaints and prosecutors refuse to prosecute misdemeanor crimes.
Solution: Make everything a felony.
Solution: Make everything a felony.
There was that one time when NY bent over backwards to turn 34 misdemeanors into 34 felonies.
What should be the libertarian position here? Well, I would hope we could all agree that the aggressor here is the shoplifter. It's the shoplifter who is going out and violating someone's rights. "Oh, but he didn't steal all that much!" hardly negates the fact that you are still talking about a predator. So, what does libertarianism say about the punishment of aggressors? It's not clear to me all that much. Anarcho-capitalism may suggest their exile. But, we don't live in an anarcho-capitalist world. It seems to me that a great many libertarians have taken to conflating criminal justice with the abuse of criminal justice. Sure, people shouldn't be punished for victimless "crimes". That's libertarian. But there are real crimes with real victims. And it's far from clear to me that giving the predators a free pass isn't just a pretext for anarcho-tyranny.
I'm not entirely sure the correct answer is not to legalize shooting shoplifters.
We don't need to legalize it, we just need to decriminalize it.
*Puts on sunglasses*
Probably a good time to mention estimated losses to shoplifting were 150B a year last year. These costs are if course a business expense whose costs get passed to consumers. This cost is 3x the cost of tariffs last year. Reason seems to defend this higher cost.
No. They have insurance. Or so I have been told by some of the brightest progressive minds.
I honestly think the Democrats could have created a new social movement. The criminals would immediately start calling "sideshows" and drag racing...."beeping." 🙂
When an individual or group of individuals enter a building with the intent to commit a theft they are committing a felony (burglary). Not hard to prove the specific intent when they do so as a group either.
When they get caught they should also be ordered to attend my Reason group therapy sessions with the rest of the boneheads.
my Reason group therapy sessions
How many empty seats do you have set out for all the shrike socks?
I think we’re up to standing room only but what’s a shrike?
A solution would be to empty all the jails and then send all the convicted criminals to America and let the US deal with them.
Oh, wait...
Doesn’t CA-politics do exactly that?
Think they can just TAKE from the people whatever they want too.
They’ve been brainwashed for years in their Nazi-Haven to really think it’s okay since it’s just social-ist justice (i.e. promoting equality).
And there you have it. Exactly how nations have committed such evil acts against humans of the past in their [Na]tional So[zi]alist havens.
Ask yourself; WHO is your government really working for?
1) A [WE] mob of criminals (i.e. 'democracy') out to STEAL/ENSLAVE.
2) A nations founding principles of Individual Liberty and Justice for all.
The USA is a *Constitutional* Republic NOT just a [WE] mob of criminals 'democracy'.
"In El Salvador, we prioritize the safety of our honest citizens over the comfort of criminals, Some say we have imprisoned thousands, but the reality is that we have freed millions. Now, it is the good people that live freely, without fear, with their freedoms and human rights fully respected"
The El Salvador's "iron fist" stance against gangs has resulted in the imprisonment of nearly 70,000 people and El Salvador's homicide rate has dropped significantly after locking up , with 154 murders in 2023 compared to 495 in 2022. This gives El Salvador the lowest homicide rate in Latin America and the Caribbean, at 2.4 homicides per 100,000 people.
Lock the bastards up.
Maybe we should try giving shoplifters the same sentence we give murderers.
All right all right, I know you guys are going to whine about that. So, compromise. We'll keep the State out of it, and any store owner or employee is allowed to execute a shoplifter on the spot.
I mean, if you make it clear that you can crime with impunity, people are going to crime with impunity. If you make it very real for criminals that crime has consequences, a good portion of them will stop criming.
And then we'll let the victims mop up the rest.
to $950 to adjust for inflation and cost of living
*falls down laughing*
Clown. World.
Misdemeanors should be for things like jaywalking or not having your dog on a leash (unless they bite someone). The fact that theft and other property crimes were thrown in make me say - repeal it and start over.