Mandatory ID Checks for Nonalcoholic Beer?
Some people really think nonalcoholic beer is a gateway to alcoholism.

If you walk into a grocery store and pick up a six-pack of nonalcoholic beer, you might be caught off guard by an unexpected request to show your ID to the cashier. As a matter of inventory protocol, nonalcoholic beers are often categorized under similar stock-keeping unit (SKU) numbers as regular beer, which can result in a would-be buyer automatically getting carded at the register. But what might be an occasional, if annoying, quirk of modern retailing could soon become a government mandate.
Various "experts" are calling on state governments to impose age restrictions on the sale of nonalcoholic drinks, according to CNN. This is being pushed under the guise of protecting against underage alcohol consumption, based on the argument that products like nonalcoholic beer could be a gateway to the real thing. The reality is that imposing age restrictions on nonalcoholic beverages could actually result in more youth drinking, not less.
The experts quoted by CNN cite research surveys conducted abroad that supposedly show that youths who drink nonalcoholic beverages are more likely to also drink alcoholic beverages. One of the studies, for instance, polled Japanese adolescents and found consumption of nonalcoholic beverages "was strongly associated with alcohol use in high school students."
This sounds pretty damning until one reads the next sentence of the researchers' conclusions, in which they have spectacularly buried the actual results of their work: "concerns that [nonalcoholic beverage] use would lead to increased alcohol use were not supported because [nonalcoholic beverage] consumption usually started after adolescents began consuming alcohol" [emphasis added]. In other words, the adolescents first started drinking booze, then started drinking alcohol-free options, not vice versa.
Perhaps expecting journalists, much less researchers themselves, to understand the difference between correlation and causation is too high of an ask, but it only gets worse. A researcher from Australia is also interviewed about focus groups and surveys he conducted of Australian youth drinking and the potential interplay of nonalcoholic beverages. According to the researcher, "a few teens mentioned they had gotten used to the taste of beer by drinking zero alcohol versions, which suggests that zero alcohol beverages can acclimatise young people to the taste of alcoholic beer."
Setting aside the obvious evidentiary shortcomings of what "a few teens" said in a focus group, a look at the final research paper provides as much or more evidence that teenagers are using nonalcoholic beverages in place of alcoholic beverages, rather than as an on-ramp to real drinking. Although the researchers note that "respondents who consumed alcohol [were] 1.8 times more likely to use [nonalcoholic beverages] compared to alcohol abstainers," it again was admitted that alcohol use could have preceded any use of nonalcoholic alternatives.
More interestingly, the results also show that teenagers are incredibly deft in their ability to substitute nonalcoholic beverages in lieu of actual booze—and in fact use the availability of nonalcoholic alternatives to circumvent peer pressure to drink the hard stuff. Of the adolescents surveyed, 63 percent said nonalcoholic beverages could help individuals drink less alcohol, while 54 percent said such drinks could enable people to pretend they are drinking alcohol when they are not. Another 51 percent said nonalcoholic drinks made it easier for underage individuals to say no to alcohol, and 45 percent agreed they allowed underage people to "fit in" with others who were drinking alcohol.
In reality, teenagers are doing exactly what many a parent would want them to do: find ways to creatively sidestep peer pressure from friends and older acquaintances who might push them to drink. In fact, it turns out that by far the most common way the teens surveyed procured nonalcoholic beverages was from their parents.
While no nationwide studies of American youths have been attempted, the states CNN lists as having more stringent age restrictions on nonalcoholic drinks (such as Florida, Georgia, Idaho, and Kansas) have not seen noticeably different changes in youth drinking rates than those without such restrictions.
Lost in this discussion is any mention of numbers that show a decadeslong decline in youth drinking. In America, underage drinking rates have plummeted since the 1980s. Gen Zers are already being labeled as a notoriously antibooze generation and their nonalcoholic preferences correlate with the rise of the "sober-curious" and "mindful mixology" movements, which emphasize no-alcohol or low-alcohol alternatives to the fully leaded stuff. (It should also be pointed out that no ID is required to buy products like kombucha, which contain trace amounts of alcohol that can sometimes even exceed that of nonalcoholic beer).
It's almost like—just as the surveys from teens themselves suggest—the free market of nonalcoholic beverage options is helping reduce underage drinking, not increase it. Clamping down on access to nonalcoholic drinks could worsen the very problem it is intended to solve.
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Does "nonalcoholic beverages" above mean all beverages that don't contain alcohol? Or is there some other criterion that determines whether a beverage sale is age-restricted in those states?
What difference, at this point, does it make?
If the government want more control, the excuse is irrelevant.
Mamma's breast milk is an enticing "gateway drug" leading to the hard stuff!!! BEWARE of the titty-sucking!!! SHIT NEEDS REGULATED AND RESTRICTED!!! ID required, and a minumum age of 21!!!!
Trump Camp Says State Menstrual Surveillance Programs are A-OK
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It’s not enough for many anti-abortion stalwarts to ban the procedure in their state. They want to ban legal drugs designed to induce abortion. They want to surveil and block women traveling to other states to obtain an abortion. One of the most threatening dimensions of these programs is that they threaten to make doctors and other medical professionals — who might give counsel on or simply know about a woman’s plans to obtain an abortion — responsible for reporting her actions. If you visit your OB-GYN and discuss traveling to another state to get an abortion, does your OB have to report you to the local sheriff? It applies to third parties who might assist a woman either in traveling to get an abortion or getting FDA-approved medications to induce an abortion at home.
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/trump-camp-says-state-menstrual-surveillance-programs-are-a-ok
WE CANT LET THEM GODDAMN WOMEN RUN WILD, BOYS
#DreamyLibertarian
So in the part not paywalled, there are no quotes and it refers to Stephen Miller as Trumps Spokesman. His actual spokesman is Huyen "Steven" Cheung, a 1s Google search can show this.
So not only does shrike use a notorious leftist gossip rag, but again doesn't read or analyze his own link.
Good work shrike. At least sarc won't notice your proliferate use of leftist narratives, you still get payment for converting him.
What you're too stupid to understand is that when the activist justices took away the federal right to abortion and "returned" the matter to the states you granted the same states the ability to build all kinds of liberty-killing restrictions on women. Because you know - it's Gawd's will or something.
We're 3-4 years away from mandatory ankle monitors in the Christo-Fascist states. Dobbs is settled - for now (a decade or so).
Yes. I can see you've bought into the idiotic leftist narratives despite pretending to not be a leftist. You also seemingly demand power at the federal level like a standard leftist.
We get it. You're a leftist.
America's not 3-4 years away from mandatory ankle monitors from an actual Fascist run government. America's there already.
You guys have already started attacking and killing heretics and unbelievers already, particularly MAGA.
You’re outright lying about what the ‘blasphemous’ said in order to whip your acolytes into a froth as evidenced in your post above.
You’ve turned the alphabet agencies into your own Schutzstaffel and are using it to spy on and persecute everyone from heretic politicians like Tulsi Gabbard to Catholics and even PTA parents.
You’re trying to lock up your principal opposition on the stupidest novel charges ever.
Fascism isn’t coming from some sort of evil xtian plot. A nonsensical handmaid’s tale masturbation fantasy made real. They’ve been over 70% of the population since America began, so why now?
No, just like in the original German version it’s coming right now from neopagan goat worshipping racists and antisemites like you and your party.
Holy shit. We gotta do something!
One thing is clear. We live in a fascist state NOW!
What's unclear is which side are the fascists. I asked the guard at the concentration camp down the road which party he was with, but he just babbled something about a "private assisted living complex." Similar with the guy firing the oven. That Nazi wouldn't answer. He just kept yelling, "Get out of my pizza parlor." Sabatelli's? More like Mussolini's...
Even the brown shirt was cryptic. "Do you want your package or not?" What kind of code is that?
The Nazis came to power in 1930, Kristallnacht occurred in 1938, and they didn't conceive The Final Solution until 1942.
You guys are ahead of the curve as you've been attacking Jews in the streets and smashing the windows of Jewish businesses since last October and have been killing people for being
communistMAGA for much longer.You're overachievers TBQH... also stop sockpuppeting your own defense, Shrike. You're only tricking Sarcasmic.
Well now that I've been outed:
The Worms will convene outside Brixton Bus Station, where we'll be moving along at about 12 o'clock down Stockwell Road. At that point, we'll be heading towards Lambeth Road, where we will walk calmly with resistance, leaving twelve minutes to three as we move along Lambeth Road towards Vauxhall Bridge. Now when we get to the other side of Vauxhall Bridge, we're in Westminister Borough area. It's quite possible that we may encounter some Jew boys all the way from 4, 5, and 6 on the way as we go. Now is the time to clean up the city, for this is the beginning! We need to secure our people! We can't stand around and let ourselves be robbed, maimed, and killed! And when we make it to the Highclock Corner, I want you to spread out and find them! Storm the halls, and then tear the walls and the doors! Break down the doors and hunt them where they are!
Ah, Pink Floyd. That refutes it all.
I'm not trying to refute anything. I'm trying to reconnect you with reality by drawing attention to absurdities.
Yes, and quoting a 50 year old band in an era whose zeitgeist was completely different will do it.
Oh good. I'll use Zeppelin next time too.
Hey! Pluggo! Leave them kids alone.
Minor corrections: the Nazis became the largest party in the 1932 elections but didn't have a majority, and they only really took control in 1933; and mass killings of Jews began earlier than 1942 - most notably after the invasion of the USSR. though the formal term "Final Solution", was indeed only in effect from Wannsee in 1942.
"most notably after the invasion of the USSR."
Those were akin to what the Americans did at My Lai, whereas the Final Solution was different. It was corporate industrial killing. Factory killing.
So I think this is what "black-pilling" means. That America *right now* is no different than Nazi Germany, Soviet Russia, or Mao's China. And only the One True Golden-Haired Savior can possibly save America now.
Reading Jeff often reminds me of an old quote by George MacDonald - "Remember a beast does not know that he is a beast. And the nearer a man gets to be one, the less he knows it"
that's a better description of you, pal. Confession via projection.
Will you ever progress beyond kindergarten level argumentation?
About his educational level. Especially in regards to math.
How about kindergarten level attraction?
"No! U!"
Touché. Well done.
"activist justices took away the federal right to abortion"
Never a "right" to abortion.
Something being legal and being a right are not synonymous.
Right to Privacy then.
Wait, conservatives say there is no such right.
Still waiting for that list of "natural rights".*
*not really. It is a stupid fucking idea since Cons try to tie our rights to "Gawd".
Yes, we have rights. But they don't come from Allah/Gawd/Zeus/Thor/etc
Rights don't come from anywhere. They're agreed-upon fictions.
Bullshit. Rights come from the creator. They are innate.
My opinion on the sheer idiocy of atheists is being proven more and more accurate.
The problem is that anti-theists like Shrike like to conflate themselves with atheists. Whereas rather than simply not believing, they’re really just shaking their fist at ‘dad’.
True. Emo teen atheists are about the worst thing in the world.
There's a right to privacy, but a right to privacy has never implied a right to have murder not be a crime if it happens in the privacy of a home or doctor's office.
I would think you would be against abortion, Pluggo. Doesn’t that thin the herd of prepubescent potential victims for you?
That sounds really scary, dude. You should worry about this a lot, and report back to us when any of it actually happens. Everything is so terrible and unfair!
Lol. What a gullible idiot.
Note that Jesse only complains about the source, and does not refute the substance of the claim.
It's a lie.
I know it's a lie. You know it's a lie. Shrike knew it was an evidence-less lie when he posted it. Talking Points Memo knew they were fabricating a lie when they published it, just like they did when they "broke" the Trump/Russia lie for the Hillary campaign.
Simply asserting that it is a lie does not transform it into a lie. If you want to demonstrate that it is a lie, you have to do the work.
That kind of crap might work in the right-wing media bubble, but it does not work in the real world.
Real world =Actblue
Simply inventing bullshit without any evidence whatsoever, does not make something true.
He didn't say what the article infers and no amount of secret dogwhistles that only Talking Points Memo can hear will make those Blueanon conspiracy theories come true.
Simply declaring a story to be false, does not make the story false.
"https://talkingpointsmemo.com"
Talking Points Memo... Wow, Shrike. Couldn't just link us to Act Blue or Media Matters and at least put up the appearance a Chinese wall between party talking points and your posts?
Anyway, Trump and the "Trump Camp" said nothing of the sort. Talking Points is doing your favorite thing, outright lying.
Before Nov 5, expect him to post crap from the desk of Dick Cheney. In other words, the message will come from Dick and end up in Pluggo’s mouth.
I think it would be more exciting if it were Jr. Dick Cheney.
Dick’s mouthpiece works well.
And yet when AOC or "The Squad" open their pieholes, we are supposed to assume that their ramblings represent the entirety of the Democratic Party.
If you want to claim that Stephen Miller isn't a literal spokesman for the Trump campaign, fine. But then I expect you to hold to that same standard for the other team too. Does AOC represent the Kamamalama campaign?
Poor Jeff. Always defending false narratives of his allies. Lol. And asserting a strawman to justify it.
Weird.
Can you post the rest of the article as we know you likely have a membership to them.
Does AOC represent the Kamamalama campaign? Yes or no?
When we want to know about what Kamamalama would do if she were president, is it fair game to listen to left-wingers who have no formal connection to her campaign? Yes or no?
Is this some of that famous "whataboutism" that you're always warning us about?
"And yet when AOC or “The Squad” open their pieholes, we are supposed to assume that their ramblings represent the entirety of the Democratic Party."
I know this is tough for you but unlike when AOC says stupid shit, Jason Miller didn't say what your Talking Points Memo infers in their article.
They're lying. Telling a falsehood, a fabrication, fibbing, prevaricating, casting aspersions, creating 'disinformation', a falsification, making shit up, telling whoppers, forging facts, being deceitful, slandering, perjuring themselves in the court of public opinion, inventing stories, twisting the truth, misrepresenting statements, etc...
Then show that it's a lie.
Strange how this moderate constantly defends the left.
Don't you know that left is now "moderate"? And anyone who questions the left is "far right".
That’s weird, because I started out liberal, and now I’m a Nazi!
The only thing "moderate" about Jeffy is his lack of moderation.
Is he the morbidly obese one, or is that someone else?
That's Jeff. And a pedophile. And a rape apologist. And a post modernist.
"Then show that it’s a lie."
NO!!!!
Fuck you, Jeff! You're not getting away with that!
The burden of proof for specious claims lie 100% with the ones making the accusation.
Show the evidence he said what they are inferring. Where's the video, the audio, the direct quote, the multiple non-anonymous witnesses that verify he said what they're inferring?
There isn't any because they're making up their ludicrous Blueanon conspiracy theory and both you shills know it.
NO!!!!
YES!!!!!!!
I'm not playing your sealioning games. You have an article. Read the article. Then show how it is wrong.
Funny how you invoke 'burden of proof' whenever it's your team accused of something bad. When it is the other team accused of something bad, then the accusation itself is all the proof you need. Isn't that right, Mr. I-call-everyone-I-don't-like-a-Nazi?
And yet when AOC or “The Squad” open their pieholes, we are supposed to assume that their ramblings represent the entirety of the Democratic Party.
Those 4-5 are the inevitable future of the democrat party.
AOC gets a vote in Congress. Miller doesn't.
Oh and thanks for posting this. Because it just shows how intellectually and morally bankrupt both teams are.
Because I just saw a political ad on TV, claiming "Kamala is going to take your guns."
Both teams have nothing but fear to motivate people to vote for them. They don't have good ideas, they barely even have any ideas at all. It is all fearmongering and "vibes". It is sad and pathetic. It is just one more reason to reject both teams.
“Oh and thanks for posting this. Because it just shows how intellectually and morally bankrupt both teams are.”
Except it’s made up and is a lie, which both you and Shrike absolutely know, and which says a lot more about the two of you than it does about ‘boaf sides!!!’.
How do you know it's made up? Show your work.
Because there is no evidence he did, not even a direct quote of him saying that shit, let alone audio or video, you Nazi prick.
You’re pulling your stupid little games again. The burden of proof lies on you, not me. It’s like demanding that I show evidence that the tooth fairy and unicorns don’t exist.
I’d call you a weasel but this is toddler level sophistry your pulling.
So you didn't show your work. Got it. You just wish that it was not true.
Isn't Jeff usually in here dismissing fact free opinion pieces so he can ignore information he finds inconvenient, even when the opinions information is well cited (opposite of this TPM piece that gets basic facts wrong).
Now that you mention it, yes.
Isn’t Jeff usually in here dismissing fact free opinion pieces so he can ignore information he finds inconvenient
Well at least you are now admitting that you post fact-free opinion pieces as if they were fact. Baby steps.
Shit, I got checked on Grenadine last week.
I'm 68 and got carded at the local grocery last week. New corporate policy requires that they scan the barcode on your license according to the checkout gal. Came back invalid. Seems it had expired several weeks back. She managed to override it somehow so I was able to leave with my medicinal beverages. But I was was glad it happened. The cops around here follow you and run your plates and then run the license of the owner. If it's expired they'll leave you on the side of the road trying to get a ride. After they write the ticket. Happened to my son.
Grenadine? That is beyond ridiculous. Was the cashier retarded?
Store checkout system flagged it, I had to pull out my ID and let them scan the barcode on the back, to proceed with my order.
Heaven forbid I might make a Shirley Temple or something nefarious for our cabin guests.
I did not get carded for the ginger ale.
Fortification news in Arizona.
Oversight Project
@OversightPR
BREAKING: Non-Citizens in AZ Admit Being Registered to VOTE
Footage obtained by
@realmuckraker
shows that at one apartment complex in Phoenix, AZ, 6 non-citizens admitted to being registered to vote.
Non-citizens expressed support for Kamala Harris, and some plan to vote.
https://x.com/OversightPR/status/1839257642868298139
They’re not even going to bother hiding their election fortifications this time. On November 6th they’ll be rubbing it in everyone’s face as a display of their power and a challenge to just try and complain.
Then it will be time to do here what you Canadians should be currently doing to Trudeau and his henchmen.
Mr. Legal Weed/Pride Parade is polling at under 20% with 18-35 year olds... and that includes young women, who used to be his biggest supporters.
The Laurentian elite are in an absolute panic.
Which means due to the political machinations up there, his party will get 50% of the seats.
It's a little harder than in the states because you have to show ID, and even though Justin introduced voting machines for the first time last election, they're still backed up with paper ballots.
Besides, the Liberals never had to worry in the past because the Maritimes and Quebec provincial welfare queens would vote Liberal no matter what.
This is the first time in living memory that both are actually upset with the Liberals and will probably vote against them. Justin's WEF machinations have actually hurt them, they're seriously pissed, the pride parade homilies aren't working and all his attempts to throw money at them are failing.
This is what constitutes "proof" of widespread voter fraud to Jesse's team. A guy points a camera at random people in an apartment complex, some of whom say they *would* vote for Kamamalama, and that is ABSOLUTE PROOF that they are ILLEGAL VOTERS
Hey, dumbass, anyone is entitled to offer their opinion on who they WOULD vote for, whether or not they are legally registered to vote or not.
In fact, I recall some elementary school classes holding a 'mock election' where the kids 'vote' for their preferred candidate. I guess to Jesse's team, that's OMG HORRIBLE AND ILLEGAL VOTE FRAUD
"Jesse’s team"
Lol.
Is Jeffy's "team" Sarckles, Sqrlsy, J(ew)Free, Hank and Shrike, then?
Jeffy’s team is Wendy’s, Pizza Hut, Dunkin Donuts, Taco Bell, and Popeyes.
And this is more of the 'fake but accurate' strategy coming from Team Red.
"Sure, we don't actually KNOW if those people are registered to vote or not, or if they are legal citizens or not, but we are going to scare you all anyway into thinking there's all this fraud..."
It's a blessing they aren't doing the whole 'Fake but totally inaccurate' strategy of the Left. That would be completely unfair. To Democrat-cy.
Did you watch the video that was linked?
You had people on camera saying that they WOULD vote for Kamala. There is no voter fraud, no crime in stating one's opinion on who a person WOULD vote for, whether or not that person is legally registered to vote.
So why is Team Red posting videos like this? It's to scare people with false narratives of 'widespread fraud'. That's all.
25% of non-citizens are registered and half of them vote, but it's no big deal.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0261379414000973
https://www.justfacts.com/news_non-citizen_voter_registration
I see. So you also are going for the 'fake but accurate' angle. It doesn't matter if the guy with the camera is lying to you and implying that simply expressing an opinion about the upcoming election is some sort of act of voter fraud. Oh no no he is exposing a 'larger truth', right? Who gives a shit if he's lying his ass off!
No, just calling out bullshit. Pick a new non-fact to claim, and I'll do the same.
Jesus, there isn’t any form of argument you aren’t willing to steal.
You really are a bot.
Jeffsarcs immigration system.
Also on Friday, a damning revelation from Rep. Tony Gonzales (R-TX); US Customs and Immigration Enforcement (ICE) revealed that over 650,000 migrants with criminal histories were let loose in the United States between ‘mid-May 2023 through the end of July 2024.’
"As of July 21, 2024, there were 662,566 noncitizens with criminal histories on ICE's national docket, which includes those detained by ICE and on the agency's non-detained docket. Of those, 435,729 are convicted criminals, and 226,847 have pending criminal charges," wrote deputy DHS Director Patrick J. Lechleitner in response to a March letter from Gonzales demanding answers.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/after-letting-600k-criminals-us-kamala-slithers-down-border-and-does-trump-impression
A Kamala Venn diagram overlap may show the “defend the police” crowd also supports Kamala’s importing of hundreds of thousands of criminals including over ten thousand murderers and over fifteen thousand rapists. The cheery part is that the mayhem to ensure most likely occurring in American cities and suburbs - the unwiped asshole of the nation.
Jesse's preferred immigration policy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin_Wall
The Berlin Wall was to keeps its more productive citizens from escaping the collectivist system imposed on them by the Soviets. The current issue in the welfare state US is hordes of unskilled, many of whom are criminals includes thousands of murderers and rapists, overwhelming existing safety nets. As well as thousands more rapists and murders. Same thing, right Jeff?
Should the state use lethal force against those who dare to cross the border without the correct papers?
Collectivist states have and do (qv, East Germany, North Korea, Biden coronation). Ideally, government decouples itself from goods and services available via the private sector/adults making adult decisions for themselves including but not limited to food, housing, transportation, education, heath expense reimbursement, and retirement. Until that occurs, if a government is going to coerce people to participate, it should enforce providing those goods and services to only those who have been participating. In the same way someone else cannot withdraw money from your bank account or charge something on your credit card. The state should make it difficult for those attempting to do so and apprehend then punish the few that get by the same way they will should someone else start charging things on your credit card.
Well, they figured out who they were and what they were accused/convicted of. How do they not turn them around and send them south? They were in custody. Who said anything about shooting them?
What the fuck is wrong with you?
Sure, except completely backwards and opposite, unless you actually believe that a southern border wall is to prevent Americans from fleeing to Mexico.
It doesn't matter how many times you give Jeff basic facts. The sea lion in him just ignores it and repeats the leftist narrative.
England's chief medical officer admits they may have lied about the dangers of covid.
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/englands-chief-medical-officer-admits-we-may-have-overstated-danger-covid
The study published a few years back pushed by jfree, Jeff, and others regarding 17000 HCQ deaths turned out to be complete bullshit, finally retracted.
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/those-published-17000-hydroxychloroquine-deaths-never-happened
We told you not to link to the liars at ZeroHeade, Jesse.
How cute. After getting embarrassed for not reading his own leftist talking points idiocy alive, he switches now to simple ad hominem attacks instead of reading links.
(Zero) 0-Heade is a well known Doomer/Prepper/CT site. Throw a little Dollar Denialism, BRICS-love, anti-capitalist wingnuttery, and Gold-buggery in and you have a log of shit to roll up and play with like you do every day, Jesse.
Doubles down on pure ad hominem. Amazing. Doesn’t bother to point out what is wrong in the article. Because you can’t. Lol.
See above where I pointed out your idiotic TPM problems.
Bitch, you do t get to tell anyone anything. We tell YOU what to do, you weak little bitch. You can’t even get it up for an adult female.
.
...YET they were right and the "respectable" media was full of shit.
That's what pisses off Stupid Pedo Bushpig the most. The Bushpig followed the "respectable" media and was dead fucking wrong. We were right.
*links to Talking Points Memo, then...*
"We told you not to link to the liars at ZeroHeade, Jesse"
Amazing.
TPM is straight journalism.
Well this is a bookmark.
Almost as good as...
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Schiff is one of the last truth-tellers in Congress as he stood up to the MAGA Swamp and called out Fatass Donnie’s Russian collusion starting in the Trump Tower on June 9, 2016 culminating in Helsinki where Fatass French-Kissed Vlad then shit on US intelligence in favor of the Kremlin.
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Media Matters is non-partisan.
Their formula is this:
1) cite stupid video/audio of some outlandish claim/lie
2) link to reputable source debunking claim/lie
“TPM is straight journalism”
Oh wow!
Literally called “talking points”, and say, didn’t you also say that about Media Matters?
Anyway, they’re actually still claiming kudos for shit that was conclusively proven out to be outright lies, on their website:
“TPM was one of the first news outlets to examine then-candidate Trump’s ties to Russia and later led reporting on his pressure campaign in Ukraine. When former U.S. Rep. Todd Akin opined about abortion in cases of “legitimate rape,” TPM was the outlet to make it news.”
How the fuck is that sTraiGhT jOuRnaLisM?
The Russian ties were well documented, you Trump Cultist. As was Donnie's attempt to use taxpayer money to bribe Zelensky.
Todd Akin? You remember that idiot I know.
Keep up the hope, Maddow fangirl you are.
You mean the Russian "ties" that were non-existent? Gotcha.
And Zelensky? Biden-Harris just flew him to PA for a fucking CAMPAIGN appearance.
But that’s not meddling in the election by a foreign leader because reasons.
I do love how Trump was dominating the little toad.
Why do you bother? You’re a joke here. A retarded child raping clown. Eventually, you’ll be identified and the FBI will be on to you for your pedophilia.
GTFO while you can.
"The Russian ties were well documented"
Well that's a flat-out lie.
The Mueller Report said there were none, and the Durham Report and subsequent court cases demonstrated that the Hillary campaign had ginned up the whole thing. And I know that you know this.
So why are you lying?
Turn yourself in for your crimes, Bushpig.
Just add that to the lies of Stupid Pedo Bushpig. Care to tell us again what happened to your original account? Why was it banned? I seem to recall something about you posting darkweb links to hardcore child porn, pedo.
Jesse’s links check out. Yours don’t. Maybe spend more time reading the bullshit you post, and less time serially jacking it to child pornography.
“We told told you not to…”
Dick’s mouthpiece, who is this “we” to which you refer? NamblActBlue?
Ohio pastor who urged on Jan. 6 mob with bullhorn sentenced to prison
An Ohio pastor who authorities say used a bullhorn to incite the Jan. 6, 2021, mob at the U.S. Capitol was sentenced Thursday after being found guilty of multiple offenses.
....
William Dunfee, 59, was sentenced to two and a half years in prison and three years of supervised release, according to the Department of Justice (DOJ), which added that he was ordered to pay a $10,000 fine and $2,000 restitution.
https://thehill.com/homenews/4890296-ohio-pastor-prison-sentence-jan-6/
Fuck this scumbag. Lock him up with Diddy.
Imagine pretetding to be a libertarian and cheering on 2.5 year sentence over speech.
Shrike, what are your thoughts on evidence the J6 committe hid factual testimony confirming Trump authorized guards to be present to protect the city?
https://justthenews.com/government/diplomacy/sunkey-house-chairman-ask-congress-repudiate-democrats-j6-findings-face-new
What about the fact that DHS and DoJ still reguse to state how many CIs they had in the crowd?
Boots on exalted day trader Pelosi’s desk, located inside the temple, was a high crime that deserved the process, conviction, and sentence. Those cheering on the efforts of Act Blue donor 1 and Act Blue donor 2, but not the outcomes, may have also fist bumped what happened to Ashli Babbitt.
over speech
Wow, you’re an idiot.
It was a coup attempt. When you wingnuts say you hate democracy you mean it.
Vote didn’t go your way? Attack the capitol and replace the rightful electors with hand-picked traitors.
Man. You just fully took the mask off. Did you stop pretending you weren't a democrat?
If only Democrats respect the Constitution then you caught me.
You love the Constitution in the same way as you love children.
Well nobody was caught. It is obvious to everyone but sarc.
You hate democracy like all the other Trump Cultists here. You want to make him dictator for life.
Dick’s mouthpiece, you’re such a Bushpig.
We hate him for his freedoms! lol
With all the stupid shit you have said so far today, why would anyone take your opinions seriously?
You're literally cheering the locking up of your political enemies lol.
To be fair to the pedophile, two separate Act Blue donors have recently attempted to assassinate a politician. So perhaps Dick’s mouthpiece considers incarcerating political opponents as moderate.
Bushpigs are all about murder. I'm sure shrike still watches babbitt being shot daily.
“It was a coup attempt.”
Oh, it was part of a coup alright. Not an attempt.
And as far as your victim blaming narrative goes, what kind of coup is performed by unarmed protesters against cops with guns?
Funny, no one was charged with anything relating to a coup, you stupid cunt.
What was it that your team was saying about the BLM protests?
"They're either committing violent crime, or they are aiding and abetting violent crime, so they are all guilty."
Again I would be receptive to your claims to be interested in justice for individuals wrongly charged for crimes. But you and your team only apply that standard to one side.
“But you and your team only apply that standard to one side”
Pedo Jeffy, you’re by far the biggest hypocrite to ever post on Reason, by at least an order of magnitude. And a champion of pedophile illegals on top of that.
He even defended democrats who voted against deporting illegals convicted of sex crimes. It is insane.
He’s got to take care of his compadres.
An Ohio pastor who urged on Jan. 6 mob with bullhorn sentenced to prison
A big dangerous bullhorn at a protest and he gets two years. No hurting, no looting and burning, just a bullhorn.
Meanwhile, FBI plant Ray Epps, who was the only one caught on camera actually calling for insurrection, was defended by the J6 kangaroo court. And the agents, on readily available and widely shared video, planting the pipe bombs, building the fake gallows, breaking the glass in the front window, and being the one guy shouting “Hang Mike Pence”, were never charged.
This is exactly why you’re a Nazi, Buttplug.
The imaginary cHriStO-fAciSts aren’t the threat to democracy. You are.
To Oeodp Jeffy, that pastor got off easy. While BLM protestors who even got probation were unfairly persecuted.
Thats always the way with extreme far leftist subversives like Pedo Jeffy.
Weird how the guy calling for people to storm the Capitol on 1/5 and 1/6 and was one of the leaders of the charge got nothing.
Really, really weird.
Ray Epps? He was the only one caught on camera calling for insurrection.
YOU should be locked up with Diddy. Maybe you can be his bitch.
Can see him using his minstelism I'm front of Diddy.
Diddy would probably knock Jeffy’s teeth out so he could use him better. Diddy would also likely titfuck Jeffy.
Perhaps the Zoomers eschew non-alcoholic beer because it isn’t gay enough. If there were a tranny branded non-alcoholic Bud Light, that could bump the numbers. A non-alcoholic Zima could also help boost Gen Ze participation.
It should also be pointed out that a certain commenter here, not in Gen Z, skews his generational demographic group’s alcohol consumption numbers way up and therefore dampens the other groups when in comparison.
Isn’t non alcoholic Zima just Sprite? We should for sure card people for Sprite.
Maybe not Sprite, but certainly Mountain Dew.
And now moved. Good work trying to block JTN Reason.
Damn this rag is going downhill. Why do I have to log in so often? Sometimes twice a day, and just now, I was logged in, but when I clicked SUBMIT, it decided I wasn't any more and threw out my comment.
Reason, is this how you nudge readers to pony up $25? Won't work with me, but I'm not your biggest fan either, so results achieved, right?
More lost than just that.
Lost in this article is any mention of liberty, of individualism, of parental responsibility. Have those values become so quaint that you have no place for them any more, Reason?
Fire KMW.
Get out of DC and NYC.
Liberty!
Hey Peanuts - what is the deal with Fatass Donnie's obsession with McDonalds and whether Kammy worked there or not?
"OPRAH DIDNT AKS KAMMY ABOUT MCDONALDS!!!"
Who cares?
Donnie then lied and said a McDonalds spokesman said they had no record of her employment (false) and then he went on to say he would be a fry cook next week at McDonalds.
What the fuck is the Dotard doing?
Hey Pedo, what is the deal with when your original account was banned?
Apparently he suddenly forgot the password to the account he used every day, an totally not because it was nuked because he posted links to kiddie porn here coincidentally the same time.
Honest.
Oh. This should be fun. Please provide the evidence she worked there. Her first mention was 2019. Her first legal job required to list every job including the period covering her supposedly working there. She claims she did fries, no employee does just fries.
But you love your leftist lies and those who tell them, so get why you rush to defend her.
So what evidence shrike? You declared it false, so please tell us.
No, you provide the evidence that she never worked there. You have made that claim.
You want me to prove a negative?
I mean she was required to list every job for her first gov job and didn’t include it. Why not?
Not one person or manager who would have worked with her has stepped forward. Why not?
Burgerism is the new Birtherism.
It is a non-issue that retards believe means something.
You said the claims were false yet still have provided no proof shrike. Still waiting.
No, Donnie FALSELY claimed that McDonalds said she never worked for them.
He claims to have read it on some liar site.
Maybe ZeroHeade.
Cite the link where McDonald’s said she did work for them.
You keep claiming it is false without any evidence. Weird. Almost like only narratives matter to you. Thanks maddow fan girl.
By the way, we know why you hate ZH. For a year they were pointing out the false fed jobs numbers you kept posting. For a year you were called out as a retarded statist. Then lo and behold, a revision of 1M jobs DOWN just like ZH had been saying for a year.
Her champagne Marxist ass never worked a day at McDonald’s and we all know it, but here’s an even funner question, Shrike.
Has Kamala ever led a prosecution?
You see, it seems that right now there’s no evidence that Harris ever personally led the prosecution of a single case at the local or state level.
I’d say that would be more germane to the election than the fact that she never flipped a fry basket at McDonald’s. One would think that records of her cases would be pretty easy to find online, but that’s not the case for that time period.
We all know that Mayor Willie made his girlfriend DA, but it doesn’t look like she ‘first-chaired’ a trial, ever. Odd for the Ace Lawyer who failed the California Bar exam the first time she took it.
That last point is understandable for some here: one such commenter can’t pass a bar.
There isn't even evidence she ever argued at all in front of a judge.
Her champagne Marxist ass
This is why Team Red has become invested in whether or not she worked at McDonald's. Because they have to maintain a narrative that she's a "champagne Marxist ass". If she actually had a menial minimum wage job, it would destroy their narrative.
I have no idea if she actually worked at McDonald's or not, but considering that McDonald's hires an awful lot of teenagers, I have no problem believing that it is probably true. Because I don't view her as some sort of caricature of evil, I view her as a real person. She is a real person who has some terrible ideas, and I'm not voting for her, but she is just a person.
The lint is that she’s a serial liar, just like you Pedo Jeffy. You democrats always are. It’s impossible to be a democrat and have morals or integrity. Just,Ike you Pedo Jeffy.
"I have no idea if she actually worked at McDonald’s or not, but considering that McDonald’s hires an awful lot of teenagers, I have no problem believing that it is probably true."
She cannot even say WHERE she worked for them.
Does that seem like REALLY that hard to remember?
Do you have any thoughts on the paucity of evidence of her trying ANY cases? There is nothing showing that Kamala Harris was in court doing anything. Her STAFF was --- but she was not.
Maybe why she cannot hold on to staff. They do not hold any respect for her. As well they should not.
...insisted they call her fucking "general" while she was AG. Damn that chick has a got a big head for such a sparse amount of actual accomplishments.
But her statement brought her joy.
I don't remember every crappy teenager job that I had either. So no it doesn't really surprise me that she doesn't remember specific details about her employment at crappy teenager jobs. It was stupid of her to bring up her employment at McDonald's if she wasn't prepared to defend her claim with specifics. And it is stupid of your team to attack her over this stupid triviality which has absolutely zero to do with any substantive issue. Does her employment, or lack thereof, at McDonald's, make her price control plan any better or any worse? No, it doesn't.
She's a liar who lies, and your team's policies are too close to comfort to her collectivist economics that your only avenue of attack on her is stupid trivialities like this.
I can rattle off my CV without trouble and can identify multiple colleagues at each. If someone did gig work or was in the service industry (beyond blowing politicians for favors), I get they might not recall every house they painted or every lawn they mowed. But not recalling time at a brick and mortar job? Seems like 2+2=5.
Did you put your crappy teenager jobs on your CV? Be honest.
"Because they have to maintain a narrative that she’s a “champagne Marxist ass”
"Narrative", huh?
Say Jeff, wasn't Donald Harris a fairly renowned professor of Marxist economics?
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/harris-father-marxist-economist/
And wasn't Shyamala Gopalan a self declared Marxist who met Donald Harris when he went to give a talk on Marxist Economics to the Afro-American Association—a students' group at Berkeley whose members would go on to help establish the Black Panther Party?
Weird how Kammy didn't pick up any of that, even though she's described herself as a Marxist in the past.
"I don’t remember every crappy teenager job that I had either."
Probably because it's hard to find work in your mom's basement. But let's pretend you were being honest for a second. What kind of head injury would make someone forget where they worked. I remember even little day jobs unloading moving vans and would certainly remember a job at Mickey D's.
"If she actually had a menial minimum wage job, it would destroy their narrative."
Hardly, because she was regardless. But the fact that there's zero record is important, because it reflects poorly on the candidate if she's pulling a Joe Biden.
Of course what's far more important is the fact that it doesn't look like the former San Francisco DA ever ‘first-chaired’ a trial, or, even worse, ever argued at all in front of a judge.
No. But I remember them. When I have been asked to include all employment they were identified.
Again, I find it perplexing that someone cannot recall where they worked when it was at the same physical location.
For argument’s sake, I’ll assume she isn’t lying. This then calls into question her cognitive skills. And we already have a recent example where she suddenly discovered Biden’s significant mental decline whereas those not partisan Team D had observed and called it out some time ago.
It looks like she is either lying or inept.
You may say she is both inept and a liar to which I wouldn’t argue. But this situation would only identify her being one of those.
"I don’t remember every crappy teenager job that I had either."
Do you know WHO brought up working at McDonald's?
Hint: Not Trump.
"So no it doesn’t really surprise me that she doesn’t remember specific details about her employment at crappy teenager jobs."
So, WHO brought up Kamala working at McDonald's originally? And claimed it again on the MSNBC powder-puff interview this week.
Again...not Trump. Hell, not Vance either.
"And it is stupid of your team to attack her over this stupid triviality which has absolutely zero to do with any substantive issue."
She PROVIDES no substantive answers on any issues. Filibustery word salad is not a substantive issue and it is ALL she has. Well, she has ALSO has lying, I guess.
And, again, WHO brought it up?
"Does her employment, or lack thereof, at McDonald’s, make her price control plan any better or any worse? No, it doesn’t."
...so, WHO brought it up?
"She’s a liar who lies, and your team’s policies are too close to comfort to her collectivist economics that your only avenue of attack on her is stupid trivialities like this."
WHO brought it up? THAT person felt it was important enough to mention.
If Trump said he worked at McD's, you'd be saying he is such a liar.
The best part of jeffs open dishonesty is attempt to even lie in defense of her lie. Note he keeps talking about her crappy teenager job when she claims she worked there in college.
That’s so not fair of SPB. Demanding you prove a negative? That’s your shtick. So unfair that he steal it.
Fuck, you’re pathetic. Still drunk from last night?
He’s FAS. He hasn’t been sober since he was conceived.
Prove the election wasn’t stolen. Prove Haitians aren’t eating cats. Demanding proof of negatives is your domain. Shame on SPB for moving in on your shtick.
How low you've fallen, KAR, Sarc, or whatever the fuck you call yourself now, moosefucker. You white knight the progtard pedos (and yes, read their screeds, they are pedos - fuck, man, SPBushpig even got banned here for posting the links) day in and day out with no moral or ethical compass of your own other than you (damn, I used the word "you") don't like the so-called "mean girls" here who critique you for this shit every fucking day, twit. Pull your head out of your ass and smell the bullshit you're shoveling.
Dude, I’m on your side here. Demanding proof of negatives is your gang’s fallacy. SPB shouldn’t be stealing it.
Except everyone here has given you all sorts of proof thousands of times over the last four years, and yet still your trolling ass pretends it doesn't happen daily.
“Prove the election wasn’t stolen. Prove Haitians aren’t eating cats. Demanding proof of negatives is your domain.”
You’ve been shown evidence daily thousands of times right here, and yet every single fucking day you pretend you haven’t seen any, post your troll and then ignore the dozen or so people giving you evidence to the contrary,
Yet again, here is a compendium of the evidence you lying fuck: https://hereistheevidence.com/
Thousands of newspaper stories about 2,036,041 ballots touched by anomalies and 923 fact witnesses.
Yet every day your retarded ass drunkenly slurs “nO eViDeNcE”.
"No, you provide the evidence that she never worked there. You have made that claim."
When you claim you worked somewhere, you provide the proof that you did.
It is a virtual certainty she worked there because no one would ever pad their resume with "fry station" because that is where they put the least capable people. The fry station was for people that couldn't do window (and count change back then) and grill was too complicated with heavier work. Lot/lobby required moving big boxes/trash.
No one will ever know. A large percent of MickyD's are franchise and she would not have been on official McD payroll.
#DONNIEANGRY!
You truly are an idiot shrike. Her first mention of working there was 2019. What was going on then? Unionization of the fast food industry. She never included it on her resume for a government job which required ALL jobs. She can't. Ame the place. Nobody says she worked with her there.
But you trust lying politicians on the left with an open heart and a retarded mind.
"It is a virtual certainty she worked there because no one would ever pad their resume with “fry station” because that is where they put the least capable people."
You mean an imbecile who is incapable of stringing together a cogent thought was not aware what fast food jobs are easy?
Would you PREFER we discuss the lack of any evidence of her actually trying a case in her life?
Again, as I asked jeff --- WHO brought it up? Trump did not. Vance did not. So, who brought up her job history at some McDonald's somewhere in the country at some point in history.
The exact details make it seem more plausible, obviously.
"Hey Peanuts – what is the deal with Fatass Donnie’s obsession with McDonalds and whether Kammy worked there or not?"
Dunno....why is Kammy constantly claiming she did with zero proof of it?
"Who cares?"
You and Kammy, it would seem.
No, it eas a counter-coup.
This was the coup attempt.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/31/politics/trump-underground-bunker-white-house-protests/index.html
When the democrats push Americans into a violent revolution, settling accounts with scum like Pluggo will be a nice silver lining for all the trouble.
Hahaha, any teenager drinking near-beer is doing it after having been unceremoniously stuffed into their gym locker.
Seriously, what teen would be so lame.
High school is a lot different now than when you went to school in the 50s.
Yea, I know. Now it’s your preying grounds. You'd prefer elementary kids, but you'll pretty much rape any of them am I right?
It’s obvious your accusations are you just trying to distract from the fact you choose to belong to the Roman church. A church known for protecting pedos. A church that was led by a Hitler Youth member who protected pedos.
You’re just a pathetic old man who is bewildered by the modern world. Fortunately you will be dead soon. And if the Christian god exists you will burn in hell.
"A church that was led by a Hitler Youth member"
I don't know if we can really call George Soros a church leader, more of a neopagan cult leader, I'd say.
Meanwhile, go educate your trolling ass. It's Wikipedia so it should still be within your reading level: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_and_Nazi_Germany#Opposition
Hey stupid Canadian:
Joseph Ratzinger(Hitler Youth member) and the priests who helped Nazis escape to South America is what I was specifically talking about.
I’m well aware of the Romists who helped the allies and Jews.
My point was his church was led by a Hitler youth member.
Fuck off your fucking bigot!
A church that was led by a Hitler Youth member who protected pedos.
You should probably look up how he became a Hitler Youth member, and his and his family's attitude towards the Nazis.
He was like the greatest deserter ever. And boy oh boy did he have a hate-on for sexual abuse by the clergy. You should look that up too, actually. Fascinating stuff.
But I get it - you don't put a whole lot of thought into these things. You just look for loose associations between [bad thing] and [thing I hate] and then splatter them haphazardly with no clue as to what you're talking about.
Typical Marxist.
Fortunately you will be dead soon.
Not as soon as you. I don't have a date with a truck hitch.
They're not accusations anymore, Kar. You've openly admitted this stuff. Taken pride in it, even.
Keep showing everyone how bigoted and out of touch with American society you are AT.
You’re just an uneducated, shitkicking, boomer redneck. You will die soon and history will not look kindly upon your ilk. You will be seen in the same light as the Confederates and segregationists.
Sticks and stones.
You didn't go look up that history you're woefully ignorant of, did you PedoKAR?
And don't try to relax comfortably in your Obamaism, excusing yourself today by pretending you'll be on the "right side of history" tomorrow. You won't.
You'll be in a shallow ditch, missing most of your skin.
You’re the one making the outrageous claims yet have shown no evidence.
I’ve cited multiple articles highlighting Ratzinger protecting abusers. Sex abuse in the Catholic Church is common knowledge.
All you have done is appealed to your god that I don’t believe in.
I don’t have to research shit. Whatever claims are asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
You’ll eventually graduate. It may take other students a decade to do so too. Good luck buddy.
Moved.
Saturday off topic. This guy actually makes the best case for joining the Libertarian Party.
https://x.com/jeremykauffman/status/1839665795921539487
"I've been in the Libertarian Party for several years. I now understand why most right-wing people have such a bad impression of libertarians—because the Libertarian Party gives it to them.
This year, the Libertarian Party nominated a gay race communist. He’s one of the most disgusting and repulsive candidates the party has ever put forth, which says a lot given the long list of bad candidates to choose from.
Oddly enough, this is exactly why I re-joined the Libertarian Party, and it’s why I think you should too.
The purpose of the Libertarian Party isn’t to win elections. It can’t, because of Duverger’s Law. The purpose of the Libertarian Party is to control the word "libertarian"."
There's much more to the post but I found this take interesting. All around us concepts are being redefined. Child grooming becomes "gender care". Abortion becomes "reproductive health care". Leftism becomes "liberal". Conservatism becomes "right wing extremism". And on and on. Those of us who were attracted to a libertarian philosophy in the past, in my case the 80s, are watching the word be redefined by outfits like Reason and Cato and the Libertarian Party who hold a public monopoly on the word itself. I don't call myself a libertarian anymore for that exact reason. This guy thinks we can save the word libertarian from "libertarians". An admirable goal.
That's why all the complying Marxists from blue states are so missed off at the Mises Caucus, for winning the word back.
It took a dozen votes and a post midnight deal with the 3rd place candidate after many had left the convention for Chase to become the laughable nominee he is.
Yeah that was after they booed a guy who could actually be the next president and said he'd put a libertarian in his cabinet and the Mises guy ate too many edibles and couldn't stand for a debate. These are not serious people but as far as the public knows they are libertarians.
the Libertarian Party nominated a gay race communist.
Wait wait wait I was told that his sexual orientation had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the objections to Chase. Absolutely nothing.
Why do you always have to obsess about Oliver’s sexuality?
He is a far left post modernist identitarian. Why wouldn't he obsess over it?
Hope springs eternal, maybe?
"gay race communist"
So, please show your work. How is Chase Oliver a "gay race communist"?
He's gay, sure, yeah. But a communist? Are you nuts?
He was an Obama toadie. Not much has changed since.
He supported Obama. That makes him a race communist. Forget that he admitted to supporting him only because he naively believed his anti war rhetoric, and left the Democratic Party shortly after. He’s a lifelong leftist of the worst sort. Besides, he’s gay. That makes him double-plus leftist.
See?
The purpose of the Libertarian Party is to control the word “libertarian”.”
What is 'libertarian' about the government demanding papers to decide who can come and go from individuals' private property?
What is 'libertarian' about requiring employers to only hire employees that are on the 'approved citizen' list?
What is 'libertarian' about raising taxes in the form of tariffs?
Finally, what is 'libertarian' about embracing paranoid fantasies at the expense of facts, reason and logic?
You don’t have to check papers to let someone in your house Jeffy.
Oh, and fuck your open border bullshit.
Unpopular opinion (around here):
The residents of a community do not have any sort of collective right to control the demographic makeup of their community.
So, those 15k Haitian migrants who "invaded" and "flooded" into Springfield, Ohio, over the course of just a few years - do the current residents just have to "suck it up" and accept their presence there? Yup. Yeah they do.
An individual has a right to decide what happens on his/her own property, including deciding to whom to sell that property. But an individual does NOT have a right to decide what his/her neighbor decides to do with his/her property. If the neighbor wants to rent or sell to a bunch of Haitians, they are, or ought to be, freely able to do so. And if the people around that don't like it, they don't have any right to try to kick them out, or to use the state as a proxy to try to kick them out, provided that those migrants are obeying the law and not violating anyone else's rights.
If you disagree, then show where there is any sort of valid collective right for any community to decide who comes and who goes from a community. Where does this right originate?
"So, those 15k Haitian migrants who “invaded” and “flooded” into Springfield, Ohio, over the course of just a few years – do the current residents just have to “suck it up” and accept their presence there? Yup. Yeah they do."
Nah.
They can deal with them in the same manner invasions have traditionally been dealt with. You won't like that --- nor will they --- but bad things happen sometimes.
Yes we know. You have no legal or moral authority to kick the Haitians out, all you have is raw brute force.
Which is why the whole distinction between "legal vs illegal immigration" was just a giant red herring. It never really mattered to your team whether those migrants were there legally or not (they are there legally, btw). What always mattered is that they were there AT ALL.
damikesc's preferred immigration policy:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin_Wall
That’s right Lying Jeffy, the southern border wall and immigration enforcement is all about keeping Americans from fleeing to freedom in Mexico… exactly like the Berlin Wall.
Fucking retard.
"Which is why the whole distinction between “legal vs illegal immigration” was just a giant red herring."
Oh wow! Bookmark this one folks. We've got another trunk-bear/not-rape-to jerk-off-on-child Jeff statement.
He’s right in that you guys routinely attack legal immigrants while claiming only the illegal ones are bad.
Just like you routinely attack gays while claiming indignation when someone points out your bigotry.
When you bookmark this one, actually bookmark a link instead of copying cherry-picked text into your library to hide the full context.
Ha ha who am I kidding. That would be honest which means you won’t do it.
No one here attacks immigrants, except you and your Marxist friends. Who support evil polices that hurt them along with everyone else.
You’re leftist filth.
"He’s right in that you guys routinely attack legal immigrants"
Well there's another big fucking lie. My mother and one of my sisters-in-law are legal immigrants to Canada, and a brother and a sister are legal immigrants to the states and now citizens, so why would I oppose legal immigration?
And I know that I've told you this several times before.
So why did you decide to tell a fucking lie, Sarckles? Why are you such a big liar?
He’s just drunkenly lashing out again. This time with a laughable lie. All because we don’t believe in destroying America with open borders or allowing his precious democrats to do it.
Ah yes the classic “I’m not racist I’ve got black friends!” defense.
The asylum seekers you attack every day are in the country legally.
Let me guess. You’ve got gay friends too and that proves your bigoted attacks on Chase weren’t bigoted. Nah. I can’t imagine you having any gay friends.
Your team's preferred immigration policy is for the state to use lethal force against those who dare to cross the border without permission. Just like the Berlin Wall.
Oh wow!
Are the Haitians in Springfield here legally, or not?
The migrants who claim asylum, are they here legally, or not?
Answer: They are both here legally.
And yet you have people on your team who continue to insist that they are "illegals" and demand the use of lethal force to kick them out.
Tell me again how the migrants' legal status is sooooo important to you and your team.
Because laws matter and the entire system will break down if they’re not respected.
Except for Trump and his followers. It’s unfair when the law is enforced on them.
"Yes we know. You have no legal or moral authority to kick the Haitians out, all you have is raw brute force."
There is absolute legal AND moral authority to kick them out.
What laws have they broken? Whose rights have they violated?
Difference between keeping in and keeping people out.
We allow 1M legal immigrants every year.
Far more than anybody else.
We do not owe anybody that high a level.
They were out there by democrat government on the dime of the American people you disingenuous shitweasel. Stop pretending they just showed up of their own accord.
You’re such lying scum. We can only hope that morbid obesity ends your life as soon as possible.
De Wine is a Republican governor.
Which is why Republicans, by and large, are crap weasels.
He’s a RINO never Trumper. Another Romney/McConnell/Cheney.
Where does this right originate?
We've been over this: free association scales to infinity.
Inevitably, if enough people decide that they don't want X, what right do you have to overrule them.
Free association does not nullify property rights.
It does when you buy into a community with has those rules. It was their property before it was yours, and you didn't read the fine print.
It was never "the community's property". The property belongs to individual property owners. What are you, some type of communist?
On the other hand, people are not unreasonable to object to government policies that enable and subsidize it. I'm all for immigration where people come to work and make something for themselves. Something else seems to be happening now.
Speaking of Chase Oliver.
https://votechaseoliver.com/oliver-condemns-abhorrent-comment-from-libertarian-party-of-new-hampshire/
So apparently, the trolls at LPNH tweeted "Anyone who murders Kamala Harris would be an American hero." In retrospect that was too much even for them, as they deleted the tweet soon after. Chase condemned the tweet and the call for more political violence. But then again I've been told that Chaise is a "gay race communist" and not a real libertarian and totally unacceptable. Guess the LPNH had the right idea after all, right?
You're free to vote for him. Nobody ---- literally nobody --- gives the first iota of a damn if you do.
Can you just fellate him in the privacy of your own home? We have had to watch Pluggo fellate Biden for 4 years now and it gets old.
"Nooooo, you must love him or you're hoMoPhoBiC"
I’m surprised your gang can even speak with Trump’s junk in your mouth 24/7.
DeSantis and Vivek were my top two picks this year.
Trump is just significantly better than both Kamala and Joe.
Fuck, the first 100 names in the Detroit phone book are better than both Kamala and Joe.
A ferocious lion promising to eat the entire electorate might be a safer choice. Ali Khamenei, the Supreme Leader of Iran, would probably be a better choice.
But "Boaf sides!" says Sarckle.
Anyone is better than those two retarded crooks. Except Walz.
Funny how you feel a need to bring up the LP candidate’s sexuality every time you mention him. As opposed to his platform.
Thats typical of you though. It’s all sexual identity politics and race baiting with a democrat like you.
The LP has rankled Christian National Socialists from Day One. They renamed YAF after objectivists took over chapters, Then they cobbled a Ku-Klux Tea-talitarian Party that got as many votes as Boothead and anarco-Peevis. Finally the Jesus Caucus pulls an Anschluss on the National, Colorado and New Hampshire LPs. This is looter politics as she is.
When it comes to Gov-Guns just substitute "expert" for Power-mad dictator and it all makes sense.
The only profession where 'Guns' are a tool of the "experts" is marksmanship.
Looks like Jeff got a few weeks of narratives from Sulu and Katie Hill for today.
Imagine his time at camp was refreshing.
Pedo Jeffy was working a t a summer camp for young boys (shudders)?
Throwback to a story Jesse posted yesterday.
I understood it.
But the camp for minor attracted persons was canceled. Why he still has all that built up energy today.
Camp for what? Did Pluggo start a camp for those with similar……. enthusiasms?
Yesterday's roundup =)
Minor Attracted Persons tried to have a camp next to a school with children. Parents got mad. They canceled it. MAPs like Jeff were furious.
I believe the correct term is MAPedo.
I looked that up. Yikes. I’ll bet Pedo Jeffy and Pluggo had early reservations.
I'll bet KAR was the organizer.
https://thefederalist.com/2024/09/26/activists-defend-canceled-minor-attracted-persons-camp-in-vermont-next-to-school/
He's planning another one.
No that sounds more like a Catholic thing.
No, that’s pretty clearly your thing, Kar.
Catholics preach the exact opposite, but have the occasional bad actors. You preach that precisely, with all your actors being bad.
You’re the one who keeps making baseless claims. Everyone knows you choose to attend a child fucker church.
Fuck off papist pedo.
How much you want to bet he blames his pedo on Christians.
Odds?
Most Americans assume it’s some kind of Christian. The Roman church has covered up and enabled so much abuse who can blame them…
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sexual_abuse_cases
And yet, strangely enough, it has a way of being an LGBT pedo instead.
I used to love seeing a full-page Culture piece in the blue rags on Homosexual Jones or a homosexual couple. Oh how the newspaper would gush over them and whatever artsy fartsy progressive thing they were into, and how it’s just a celebration of love and tolerance and blah blah blah.
Then, a month later, “Homosexual Jones arrested after FBI discovers hard drive full of underage pornography.”
Like, invariably.
They can’t help themselves Kar. Yea, you can point out the failings of priest scandals – but you can’t ever point to them being the majority. Or as somehow rationalized and defended by the Church. Whereas with LGBT pedo, I can.
And you’re no exception.
I must be hitting a nerve, when all you pathetic trolls can do is call me names instead of refute my arguments.
Go ahead, tell us why a community is entitled to kick out residents that they don't like even if they aren't violating anyone's rights or breaking any laws.
We know that you think the Haitians in Springfield should "go back to their shithole country" EVEN THOUGH they are here legally and EVEN THOUGH the overwhelming majority have not done anything illegal and not violated anyone's rights. You want to send them back because they are furriners.
What arguments? You just make the same tired and discredited statements about open borders.
Am dare the Haitians here via legal processes, or is are they here because Harris is just ignoring the law?
Could they maybe make even the slightest effort to stop being foreigners, and maybe try a little assimilation and cultural growth?
Oh, wait, they don't need any cultural growth, right? Their beautiful and respectable culture didn't result in total social collapse thus necessitating we import their refugees all here.
#1: Learn English. And Christianity.
#2: Stop eating housepets.
#3: Appreciate all the reasons your nation failed, admit them, be ashamed of it, and finally reject them completely. From here on out be in favor of the values and culture of the successful nation that took you in.
#4: Don't be leeches. Get off the dole, and contribute to society. Refer to #3.
Your allegiance is to the Roman church and not America.
Get the fuck out of MY COUNTRY you filthy fucking papist pedo.
You are a freedom hating Romish piece of fucking shit.
Language.
And actually, it's to both. As the pledge goes, "One Nation, Under God." Because America is a Christian nation. You're the one that's out of place here. This is not the country of pedophilia and nazism you mistakenly think it is (though I can see how your over-reliance on the media to do your thinking for you might have confused you otherwise).
We are a secular nation, but even if we weren’t we were founded by Protestants. Not filthy fucking papists.
Get packing for Rome you fucking freedom hating papist!
Look, I know you're an ignorant border jumper that believes in nazism and pedophilia - but dude, go pick up a history book. You are wrong about literally every single thing your ignorant third-world culture raised you to believe.
Also, language.
I know you’re a backwards, bigoted hillbilly, but you saying I am wrong doesn’t make it so.
Now fuck off you filthy fucking papist.
You know my favorite thing about you Kar?
"Hey KAR, just say whether you are or aren't LGBT pedo."
"I REFUSE TO PLAY YOUR MIND GAMES!!!!!!"
lmao.
Whenever you look at a child, Kar, you think about that truck hitch.
Copied and pasted from the 1920 NSDAP 25-point Program. Christian National Socialism still rhymes 104 years later.
If you do a kindness for someone, do you regard it proper that they spit in your face in reply?
Seriously. I'm 100% serious. Because I have run into people like that in my life before, and I'm just wondering if you're one of them.
Fuck off to Rome you filthy fucking papist pedo!!!
Hope you had fun at the abomination that is Roman mass you goddamn fucking idolater.
Christians pray to JESUS not idols of saints or the Virgin Mary you goddamn idolator.
Speaking of running into people like that before, may I present Exhibit A.
Fuck off Roman pedo
Franklin Roosevelt wrote a Constitution for Haiti back in the day. Under Toussaint L'ouverture, Haiti had the same immigration policies Republicans and AfD nazis push today... only in photographic negative. All Whites were done away with to spite the slaveholding French. In Russia, the Tzar banned liquor on 31JUL1914. Remember how THAT worked out?
Heck, I'm old enough to remember “experts” who claimed candy cigarettes should be banned because they encouraged actual smoking.
They were banned in a number of locations.
Nannies gotta nanny. Stupid gotta stupid
I feel bad for today's teens. They just look at their phones all day rather than going to fun parties to get wasted with their friends and ogle the opposite sex.
Hmmm...FBI has admitted that, by March of 2022, they ERASED the footage of the planting of a pipe bomb at the DNC on 1/6/21.
What footage they did initially release was intentionally degraded. But a whistleblower who saw the footage from the DNC (had to go to the DNC as the FBI, by that point, did not have any footage) said what he/she saw was quality and one could make out the suspect.
The FBI needs to be raked over the coals for this and Chris Wray needs to be terminated post haste.
200 proof ethanol became a thing for needling near-beer into the real thing during Republican Prohibition--as did teenage heroin addiction. To Republicans this--like outlawing women's clinics to increase the pregnant women death rate--is "harm reduction." Did I mention how prohibition causes financial crashes and depressions? Hoovervilles? World Wars?
Don't you know a Republican wrote the bill that ended prohibition?