The Government Is Taking Babies Away Because Their Moms Ate Poppy Seeds
Unreliable drug tests are sparking unnecessary child welfare investigations.

Hospitals around the nation are administering unreliable drug tests to pregnant women, and siccing child welfare authorities upon them based on the results, according to a new investigation from The Marshall Project.
While we don't know just how many pregnant women are drug tested, federal data examined by The Marshall Project reporter Shoshana Walter indicates that tens of thousands of babies are reported to authorities for suspected natal drug exposure.
Disturbingly, it's been long known that these drug tests are unreliable. Urine drug tests commonly administered to pregnant women can have false positive rates as high as 50 percent. False positives frequently occur when someone is taking over-the-counter medications, common antidepressants, or routinely prescribed blood pressure medications. Women have even faced child welfare investigations after they ate poppy seeds (last year, the Department of Defense told service members to stop eating poppy seeds out of concerns they could cause false positives on drug tests.)
The aftermath of a false positive can be devastating.
"After a California mother had a false positive for meth and PCP, authorities took her newborn, then dispatched two sheriff's deputies to also remove her toddler from her custody," Walter wrote. "In New York, hospital administrators refused to retract a child welfare report based on a false positive result, and instead offered the mother counseling for her trauma…And when a Pennsylvania woman tested positive for opioids after eating pasta salad, the hearing officer in her case yelled at her to 'buck up, get a backbone, and stop crying.'"
While more than half of U.S. states require hospitals to inform child welfare agencies if they suspect a mother used drugs during pregnancy, none require hospitals to confirm that those results are correct. This means that when a mother has a false positive, she often lacks the ability to demand a more reliable drug test to prove her innocence.
Ironically, Walter's investigation found that "most of the caseworkers who investigate them are entitled to confirmation testing and a review if they test positive for drugs on the job."
Without protections guaranteeing a right to a test confirming a positive result, families can face humiliating, terrifying ordeals.
After one woman falsely tested positive for cocaine, hospital employees barred from breastfeeding her newborn. Even though a confirmation test came back negative just a few days later, the state kept its investigation open for almost two weeks. The accusation will be on the mother's record for the next five years.
Another woman, Susan Horton, tested positive for opiates after eating a salad with poppy seed dressing. She was separated from her newborn daughter for two weeks. Even after it became clear that she wasn't taking drugs, child welfare workers insisted that she had hurt her child.
"Caseworkers and doctors had privately acknowledged that poppy seeds could have caused Horton's positive test result," Walter wrote. "But in court the caseworker didn't mention that. Instead, she argued that Horton's purported drug use had 'caused serious physical harm' to her child."
When hospitals report mothers to child welfare authorities based on an incredibly unreliable test, they end up removing perfectly healthy children from loving, responsible parents. A simple attempt to confirm results should be more than enough to ensure that genuinely endangered children are protected. A poppy seed bagel should never be the impetus of a child welfare investigation.
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"But in court the caseworker didn't mention that.
Aren't these the people we're relying on now that we've #DefundedThePolice?
Yes. And they don't have to read your Miranda rights to steal your kids.
And then trans them.
These people were a problem without the police; what makes you think they would be better with GovGuns next to them, doing their every bidding with the glee that only comes from exercising authority over someone else ?
No.
1. CWS abuses predate the 'defund the police' movement by decades.
2. Police don't investigate these kinds of accusations in the first place and (with a very few exceptions) never have.
And when a Pennsylvania woman tested positive for opioids after eating pasta salad, the hearing officer in her case yelled at her to ‘buck up, get a backbone, and stop crying.'”
It’s kidnapping with a side of taunting. Violence is justified.
It’s kidnapping with a side of taunting. Violence is justified.
You fuck with a woman and her baby immediately after giving birth? Violence should be expected. Maybe even required.
It’s kidnapping with a side of taunting. Violence is justified.
You fuck with a woman and her baby immediately after giving birth? Violence should be expected. Maybe even required.
I'm familiar with the Pennsylvania case. It happened at the same time and at the same hospital where my Niece had her daughter. One thing that isn't mentioned here is that only Mothers who use Public Assistance are tested. These are people who have no resources to fight this. If the Mother isn't charged, she has no right to a Public Defender. I have a low opinion of the Children and Youth Services in Pennsylvania , to begin with, but they have hit rock bottom and are starting to dig.
If you are depending on someone else to pay your bills then you should be willing to submit to whatever they want for the money. Don't like it then don't have a kid you can't afford
That is a remarkably cruel response to women who have had their babies stolen from them on the basis of nothing but a false positive.
I really don't have a problem with requiring testing. I DO have a problem with the low standards that can result in having a child removed from their parents. Several years ago I was at Lunch with a friend. We overheard two Children and Youth Services (CYS) discussing how the one had a newborn removed from her Mother over a grudge from High School. My friend worked for a Judge and she asked if I would be willing to testify to what I had just heard. I agreed, so we went to see her Boss. It turned out to be true. The Mother got her child back and a settlement from the County to keep quiet. The CYS workers lost their jobs, but, got identical positions in a neighboring County.
Things like this are rarely investigated. Anybody can initiate these incidents merely by calling a hotline and leaving an anonymous tip. The standards are so low because of the repercussions if the tip happens to be true. Nobody wants the publicity if they fail to take action and something happens to a child.
One thing that isn’t mentioned here is that only Mothers who use Public Assistance are tested.
There’s more than one thing. You’re talking to Emma “Nitrogen asphyxiation has never been tested.” Camp and this is Reason “The FBI is recording fewer crimes than ever before but we’re sure crime is down and immigrants are less responsible for it.” Magazine.
The idea that pregnant mothers collecting public assistance keep themselves clean, that the taxpayers not fund opioid-addicted babies any more than they fund abortions or pay SNAP benefits for booze and cigarettes complicates the narrative.
Of course, the fact that the DOD and even Emma’s retardation are the result of an abundance of caution, the same abundance of caution that made the DOD force get everyone vaccinated 4 yrs. ago is just no nevermind.
The 50 false positive rate for urine tests is incredible but Emma never provides a cite, nor does she go on to say which women were administered urine tests and which were administered serum tests. She then further leaps to meth, PCP, and cocaine, presumably under the premise that people are loading up their salads with PCP laced dressing the way they would need to load them up with codeine *contaminated* poppy seeds to test positive. But, of course, let's pretend it's the medical administrators' fault for following ACA and similar regs and actually reporting that the woman ingested a bottle of salad dressing that may've been, in fact, contaminated with codeine. Because that's how Clinical Chemistry works, the tech just puts the specimen in a machine that nobody understands how it works and it just spits out "OPIUM = VERY YES" on the other end for the tech and/or Dr. to not-interpret.
There are lots of things not mentioned here because lots of things would happen to sacrifice some of Emma’s and Reason’s other sacred cows in favor of some pretty libertarian ideas and “THEYZ STEELIN
KLUMPS OF CELLSCHILLUNZ FROM THEYZ MOMS!” hits all the self-righteous, dopamine hit, clickbait beats.Seems pretty fucked that your doctor can snitch on you. Isn't there supposed to be some kind of confidentiality and privacy in that relationship? (yeah, I know)
Soon, your health provider's EHR will do the snitching so your provider won't have to.
HIPPA doesn't really prohibit sharing of health information for a variety of government interests. It's an actual case of 'whatever isn't specifically allowed is prohibited'.
Some of those reasons are good reasons, some of them are not. I don't think people are going to be ok with drug addict mothers screwing up their kids, but notably the government should need to prove that foster care is in any way superior to children being raised by their own screw up parents.
I know there are lots of great people in the foster program, but there are also people who have no business being granted money to raise other people's kids in there too. It's a case of perverse incentives layered on top of shitty vetting practices, but there is no magic bullet that solves every problem surrounding those situations.
Supposed? By whom?
Still?
What happened to reproductive freedom? If they had aborted the babies there wouldn't be a problem. And frankly I don't give a shit how accurate the test is. Leave these people alone.
The testing is frequently the result of women using public assistance.
The number of actual poppy seeds it would take to test positive is on the order of 20-30 grams, which is, what?, like 10 dime bags of weed in one sitting? Other things like cold medication and unclean processing machinery can cause the seeds to become contaminated but, in that case, the opioids are still actually there. Even if you're OK with people using opioids *and* people using opioids while pregnant, the idea of companies giving people, especially pregnant women, opioid-contaminated food should give pause.
The number of people falling for Emma's "And then the Big Bad Wolf swallowed granny whole" telling of the story is kinda astounding.
Wait, can they just drug test you without knowledge/consent? Happier every day that we haven’t had to have a hospital birth so far.
Not at all. You are free to refuse and be PRONOUNCED guilty, just like it says in the Fourth, Fifth and Sixth Amendments. Buy a copy of the Donald H Trump Constitution and get a Donald H Trump Holy Bible added to your order for half off the normal price.
Commercial truck drivers, CDL, have known for years to avoid poppy seeds as they can give a false positive on the federally mandated random piss tests.
If a poppy bagel is known to cause false positives, then how can they justify still using a test that is so faulty ? At what point is that wilful malfeasance ?
Because fuck you, that’s why.
Yeah, that's about right.
Pretty much it. Fuck you, that’s why. Fun fact. FMCSA requires companies to test 50% of their driver at random during a year. This is broken down to 12.5% per quarter of all employees that have a CDL. You could be tested 4 times in a year or not at all and I’ve done both. Tested 4 quarters in a row and then not for 2 yrs. Standard in the industry is that if you test positive you are immediately terminated. If you elect to take a second test because you are sure it’s a “false positive” the second test is on your dime and must be done within a short period usually 24-48hrs. The company may or may not rehire you or if they held the termination papers at supervisor level, the supervisor will just throw them away.
Wife has been involved in transportation for 20yrs and she said that in all that time one person that has tested positive and said they were getting another has actually done so. That person was tested at the company using an oral swab not a piss test. The swab came back positive. The driver immediately went to a clinic for a urine test which came back negative. Another fun fact, if you are pulled for a random and show up for the drug screening at the clinic of the companies choice, they all have someone they use, you can not leave until you do it. If you do it’s counted as a refusal to take a random screening and is a fail. If you show up at, say 1100 and the clinic closes at 1500 you have that long. If you don’t get the piss test done by 1500 it’s counted as a refusal and fail. Wife said she has only had 1 driver that went that route be rehired and that was because he got a doctors note indicating he had a shy bladder.
Another fun fact: the BAC (alcohol) for someone holding a CDL is not .08 like the public, it’s .04 and is even if they are off duty driving their motorcycle around. Get a DUI in your private vehicle and the company will immediately fire you and good luck getting another driving job.
Trucking companies don't mess around with this. There have been companies that did not have a robust system of testing or failed to properly keep the records. The Feds have walked in and shut them down on the spot.
Because they can. I should point out that I've had a CDL for over 30yrs and never met someone who got a false positive from eating a poppy bagel. The rumors, however, are out there and companies will caution you about eating poppy seeds. If somehow you do eat them and take a urine test which comes back positive your immediately fired and my job was never worth a bagel.
Did someone mention Ronald Reagan Administration 1986 Dick in a Dixie-Cup Drug-Free Amurrica order? Don't forget to add the Anti-Drug-Abuse law now hidden from internet viewing. Nothing says Ordered Liberty (or CRASH) louder than Republican death-sentence laws making a crime of production and trade! https://libertrans.blogspot.com/2024/04/1987-crash-naming-names.html
Problem spotted ——> Authorities; an entity of an authoritarian regime. Maybe if there wasn’t so many taxpayer leaches they wouldn’t have time to think up new ways to harass everyone over poppy seeds and only real crime would be addressed.
Caseworkers are worse than cops.
And you’re worse than anyone.
Parsons, in 1984: Ear trumpets for listening through keyholes!
My little girl brought one home the other night -- tried it out on our sitting-room door, and reckoned she could hear twice as much as with her ear to the hole. Of course it's only a toy, mind you. Still, gives 'em the right idea, eh?'
The State will raise your child in the approved image so you don't have to.
In Catholic Hitler's version the law forced German womanhood to reproduce at gunpoint, then surgically sterilized the parent if the kid weren't blond and Aryan enough to suit the Political State. Postnatal abortion was only added later, to further please The Nazarene.
The problem is, of course, that child services people (as well as hospital staff) are mindless bureaucrats that require no skill or education whatsoever for the job they're programmed to do.
They follow a flowchart. They don't think. They don't question. They don't resist. They just follow the flowchart like the soulless automatons they are. They don't care about their results. They don't care who they harm. They don't care about anything or anyone other than their government masters.
To be a social worker, you basically have to give up all the core parts of your humanity.
You know them well.
I do, actually. Still scrubbing the stink of defending those SOBs off my skin to this day. They don’t make it easy.
“Did mom do crack?”
“YES – DO NOT GIVE CHILD.”
“Is mom still doing crack?”
“ASK MOM. MOM, ARE YOU STILL DOING CRACK?”
“Nah no nah *puff* nah. No way. *puff* I done rehab.”
“MOM SAYS SHE IS NOT DOING CRACK, HAS CERTIFICATE, GIVE BACK BABY.”
Fast forward a few days when crackhead mom puts the baby in the oven or smothers in blankets to stop crying or just hurls her across the room in a fit of stoned incoherent rage. Yea, I’ve seen all that horror firsthand, because of stupid fucking NPC social workers.
I hate social workers. They’re not even real humans. They are just programmed machines collecting their government check in return for having turned over their brains and souls to the State.
So ATF is less than thrilled to see the realization of the Lebensborn utopia His Most Catholic Fuhrer of Germany taught these bureaucrats to emulate. There's no pleasing some people...
The real problem isn’t the poppy seeds. The real problem is we have so-called medical professionals who pledge to “do no harm” fucking with people who ingest a non governmentally sanctioned drug.
In courtroom circles we refer to them as whores, but "expert witlesses" under oath and on the record in open court. In The Final Analysis evidence is produced (including recanting) that Parkland Hospital doctors were induced to lie about JFK's wounds or lose their licenses to practice medicine.
If the tests are this unreliable then of course I support further layers of protection and confirmation before action is taken. The figure of 10s of thousands of women being reported for being druggie moms lines up with how many druggie moms there likely are (with of course some misplaced suspicions and malicious reporting.) What are the chances that someone is suspected and just happens to have had a poppyseed bagel recently enough for a positive test? A simpler explanation is that most of these moms are druggies and it's probably better to remove the kids from their care. There just needs to be a strong enough system to not take drastic actions without significant proof.
But there's not a strong enough system . . . . that's the problem.
Plus there the government mindset. Here's an interesting story:
https://www.cnn.com/2004/US/Northeast/03/01/girl.found.alive/
The woman didn't get her child back until DCFS did its thing. Um, no. How can her parental rights be interfered without some cause? They should have prosecuted the DCFS people.
Yeah, that's shitty people running a shitty system. I'm still inclined to believe that the highlighted example in the article and most of the statistics cited are of drug users/addicts. Camp's goal is to eliminate the system because she doesn't like accountability, not to reform a type of system that is needed.
Consider the following:
– You have an illegal drug that is taken by 3% of all expectant mothers.
– Your screening test has a false positive rate of 4.4% (so knowing you don’t take the drug, there is still a 4.4% chance of testing positive) and a false negative rate of 6.2% (so knowing you take the drug you have a 93.8% chance of correctly testing positive).
– Knowing someone tested positive what is the chance they actually took the drug?
We can either use Bayes’s Rule, or to make it easier to see, let’s start with a tested sample of 10,000 women and apply some math.
– 10,000 total women means 300 are taking the drug and 9,700 are not.
– For the women taking the drug, 93.8% or 281 tested positive (true positives) and 19 tested negative (false negatives).
– Of the women not taking the drug, 4.4% or 427 tested positive (false positives) and 9,273 tested negative (true negatives).
– Therefore, based on a overall usage rate of 3%, with 4.4% false positive rate, and 93.8% true positive rate, the probability that a woman who tested positive on this test actually takes the drug in question is 281 ÷ (281 + 427) = 39.7%.
Now think about what happens if false positive rates are higher, true positive rates are lower, or overall usage rates are lower. It’s going to be even worse. There is a reason that so many of these screening tests, whether for drugs or serious diseases, are followed up with confirmatory tests.
It should also be noted that there is no guarantee that retesting will help, depending on the reason you tested positive. That assumes that the results of the tests are independent, but in many of these screening type of tests, the reason for a false positive can be systemic meaning the second test could be just as invalid as the first, for the same reasons.
+1 There’s also the chemical side of this. You test positive for opioids from bagels and medications because there are actual opioids there.
This drives as the lie that Reason likes to foist of “If the drugs were legal, we wouldn’t have a fentanyl 'contamination' problem.” If you drank a bottle of poppy seed dressing and nothing for ~24 hrs. before giving birth and you came up in the ug/mL range for opioids in your blood test, it’s because the poppy seed dressing was loaded with opioids.
It's amusing in a sick way that 'my body, my choice' only applies to killing babies up to a certain point, and beyond that point your choices are subservient to the will of the government.
Maybe, just maybe, falling birth rates have at least some relation to the fact it's faster and easier to abort a child than it is to actually raise one by diktat of the central committee.
If you get caught doing heroin while pregnant, is stating that you meant to get an abortion and just hadn't gotten around to it yet a valid excuse? Inquiring minds want to know.
I wouldn't make the case that's a primary cause or anything, but it seems at least possible that it's related.
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Years ago, there was a case that fully encapsulated the government worker mindset. Woman has one of those poppyseed positives (they called it a positive even though below the threshold for a positive). So the DCFS people look into it after they got a court order of removal, and lo and behold, they conclude that they shouldn't have taken the baby. (Woman eventually got $100K from hospital.) But here's the kicker, DCFS wouldn't give her the baby back immediately--had to wait for the court. So basically, DCFS fucked up, but they wouldn't correct it on the spot because afraid of what the judge would do. No.