If Joe Biden Saved the Economy, Why Do We Need Kamala Harris' Price Controls?
Democrats are pushing a jarringly disconnected economic message.

After all the talk of abortion rights, protecting democracy, and how "fun" Vice President Kamala Harris apparently is, the first night of the Democratic National Convention culminated with a celebration of President Joe Biden's four years in office.
Biden "recovered all those millions of jobs that [Donald] Trump watched slip away," Sen. Dick Durbin (D–Ill.) declared. Biden "rebuilt the economy" after the pandemic put it "flat on its back," intoned Sen. Chris Coons (D–Conn.), a longtime Biden stan.
Biden himself put the cherry on top. "We've had one of the most extraordinary four years of progress ever," the president said. "We gone from economic crisis to the strongest economy in the entire world," he claimed, pointing to job creation figures, economic growth, higher wages, and "inflation down, way down, and continuing to go down."
If so, someone should probably tell Vice President Kamala Harris about all that.
Just four days ago, Harris outlined plans for gigantic government interventions in the economy, including price controls. In what was billed as the first major policy speech of her hastily assembled campaign, Harris promised to implement the "first-ever federal ban on price gouging on food and groceries" and to take other actions to empower the federal government to "bring down costs." (There's been some debate in the days since her speech about whether it is fair to say Harris has called for price controls, but economist Brian Albretch has laid out clearly why she in fact did, writing that "any policy that gives the government the power to decide what price increases are 'fair' or 'unfair' is effectively a price control system. It doesn't matter if you call it 'anti-gouging,' 'fair pricing,' or 'consumer protection'—the effect is the same. When bureaucrats, not markets, determine acceptable prices, we're dealing with price controls.")
There has been a lot written already about why price controls are a terrible idea, and more will be written in the days ahead. For now, let's take a moment to appreciate the head-spinning logic that Biden and Harris are asking voters to accept: that America's economy is stronger than ever—but is also in need of radical government action to substitute the wisdom of bureaucrats for the market's power to determine prices.
Price controls are not a policy people reach for when things are going great. Governors don't go around threatening businesses with prosecution for price gouging when there's not a hurricane or other natural disaster happening. The Soviet Union didn't implement price controls because everyone was wealthy and well-fed. Neither did Venezuela.
But that's what Harris doing. On Friday, she promised "harsh penalties" on businesses that engage in whatever she (or her administration) determines to be "price gouging" or the collection of "excessive" profits—even though her campaign has yet to explain how she would determine those things.
Harris' promise to combat high grocery prices was made just hours after the White House Chief Economic Advisor Jared Bernstein was standing in front of reporters and touting how low grocery price inflation has been: "This morning, it was about 1 percent year over year," he said at a press briefing on Wednesday. "And there are a number of items within there where we actually have deflation, falling prices of some groceries."
Did someone tell Harris?
In part, this confusion probably stems from the unusual situation that Harris' campaign finds itself. She is, for all intents and purposes, the incumbent candidate in the race, despite not being the sitting president. And she's running against another quasi-incumbent in former President Donald Trump. Typically, incumbents try to push the message that everything is going well, or at least getting better, while challengers say everything sucks and promise to make it better.
With voters discontented with the state of the economy, both Trump and Harris are trying to distance themselves from the mess they each had a hand in creating. But Democrats can't go all-in on "everything sucks" for the obvious reason that Biden, the actual incumbent, is a Democrat.
The actual economic signals are a mixed bag right now. Unemployment has ticked up, raising fears of a possible recession on the horizon. High interest rates have replaced high inflation, which means many Americans are still feeling a squeeze on their personal finances. Biden doesn't deserve the applause he's getting, but there's also not a crisis that would demand the sort of radical actions Harris is proposing, even if the actions she's proposing really worked.
And of course, those high prices are largely the fault of government overspending (backed by heavy borrowing) during and after the pandemic. If Harris wants to put controls on something that would actually provide relief to Americans, she should aim to restrict government borrowing rather than grocery store prices.
Instead, it looks like Democrats have settled on the idea that Biden saved the economy and now Harris is here to clean up the mess—and they're just hoping no one thinks too hard about it.
By the way, you don't have to break your brain trying to make sense of this. It's far easier simply to remember that presidents don't run the economy and shouldn't get credit and/or blame for every single economic indicator. (Though they can certainly influence events, as we'll see if Harris gets her way and implements some form of federal price controls.)
But if nothing else, this Democratic cognitive dissonance creates a fun game for the next three nights of the convention: Will the speakers keep telling us that America's economy is stronger than ever, or that the country is in a crisis and Harris needs to be our price-setter-in-chief?
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And yet you voted for all this Boehm. However ‘strategically’ and ‘reluctantly’.
I wonder how many of those hit pieces on Trump were brown envelope jobs, and how many were acts of love?
The cognitive dissonance ain't just the Dems, Boehm. You wanted this and you are complaining you got it, good and hard.
If Joe Biden Saved the Economy, Why Do We Need Kamala Harris' Price Controls?
It will make it even better!
Shrike will be here to tell us pretty soon.
she promised "harsh penalties" on businesses that engage in whatever she (or her administration) determines to be "price gouging"
That's "price gauging". Please try to keep up!
She doesn't even know the name of the horrible policy she wants to adopt.
She definitely said price gauging.
Maybe she actually wants to outlaw measuring prices. Noticing that there is inflation is now illegal. It's the foundation of Kamalacomics.
She doesn’t even know the name of the horrible policy she wants to adopt.
Did you seriously think she wasn't just going to be a continuation of the Biden Administration?
Much worse than I thought.
She has as much as said that she would continue Bidenomics....because it has been so successful, no less.
“On Friday, she promised “harsh penalties” on businesses that engage in whatever she (or her administration) determines to be “price gouging” or the collection of “excessive” profits—even though her campaign has yet to explain how she would determine those things.”
It’s amazing that all these various supermarket and grocery store chains decided, unilaterally, to become greedier at the same time. Uncanny, even.
Look at various lawsuits Loretta James has going on. This is the way activist prosecutors see as the future.
If you charge less than your competitors, that's predatory pricing. BUSTED!
If you charge more than your competitors, that's price
gouginggauging. BUSTED!If you charge the same as your competitors, that's collusion. BUSTED!
Oil companies were like that too! It's so weird.
One has to admire the intellectual flexibility it takes to be a Democratic Party faithful these days. In one week, you must be able to go from Biden is the best ever and the economy is going gang-busters to Biden is a doddering senile has-been, and only Harris can save our economy from ruin by bringing back all those 5-Year Plans which worked so well for the Soviets.
Impressive.
Well, when their average constituent lives from moment to moment and primarily exists on surges of emotion, it's not all that hard.
For them POTUS is more like a spiritual leader with political power [aka theocracy].
Sad she will still get 48% of the vote.
Trump lies or stretches the truth but at least the truth can be seen.
Democrats are like a cult where truth doesn't exist only the feels.
Vibes all the way
For Trump’s faults, he is far more authentic and honest than most politicians.
Federal government officials deciding what "excessive profits" are is truly terrifying.
It's amazing that Trump who hasn't been POTUS in almost 4 years gets as much blame for the current economy as the Biden Maladministration. Totally amazing.
It's amazing how many people forget or deny that his stimulus checks added trillions of dollars to the debt and to the money supply, kicking off the inflation that doubled prices at the grocery store.
If he had won the election, the economy would still have gone to shit. And he'd be quite unpopular among everyone except the truly faithful.
Trump has not been POTUS in 3 years and 7 months ( to the day). When Trump left office inflation was well below 2%. The Biden Maladministration ( which includes Kamala Harris despite leftists' claims) owns the situation. And if things were going anywhere near as great as the Democratic cabal was saying just a few short weeks ago you and your ilk would not give Trump one drop of credit. Only because things suck is Trump being dragged into this conversation.
Inflation isn’t instantaneous. Took time for that stimulus money to make its way through the economy. Just as raising interest rates doesn't instantaneously slow inflation down. Though I’m sure that if Trump had stayed in office, and the economy still went to shit because that’s what happens when a bunch of money is created from nothing while people aren’t allowed to work, you still would have blamed it on Democrats.
Yes the Biden administration made it worse. I’m not arguing against that. Just saying that inflation was kicked off by the economic stimulus signed by Trump.
If the word “ilk” is to be thrown around, it needs to be thrown at those who give him a total pass while blaming everything on the people they hate.
Did democrats pass any spending bills without a single republican vote? Have they added spending to the baseline budget? Did they attack the House GOP over trying to cap growth?
Are you just malt shrike now?
If the word “ilk” is to be thrown around, it needs to be thrown at those who give him a total pass while blaming everything on the people they hate.
Strawman mixed with projection is your new favorite drink? Don't see one actual criticism by you towards dems. In fact just below you're retardedly defending their narrative of a good economy lol.
It was only a few months ago that you and your ilk were calling this one of the best economies of the last century and you and your ilk were more than willing to give the Biden Maladministration all of the credit ( Bidenomics it was called). If the economy were going as great as the Biden Maladministration had been claiming Trump would be receiving zero credit for any part of it and o e of the arguments you would have used is that Trump had nothing to do with it because he had been out of office for so long.
You’ve got me mistaken for a Biden fan.
Yes the economy has recovered from all the stupid shit that was done during the pandemic, which started while Trump was president. It has recovered not because of, but despite the efforts of the government. I give Biden and his spending bill just as much credit as Trump and his spending bill when it comes to fucking the economy up. I give neither of them credit for the economy recovering.
How has it recovered?
Record consumer debt? 20% increase to PPI and CPI. Increasing foreclosures and bankruptcy. Energy costs up. Real wages down around 6%. Working population percentage still below 2019. Increased welfare/medicaid/other forms. Increase in government jobs with decrease in private. Increase in workers with 2 jobs. Increase in part time jobs and decrease in full time jobs.
So what recovery are you talking about?
I give Biden and his spending bill just as much credit as Trump and his spending bill when it comes to fucking the economy up.
Show us a single example of you criticizing Biden’s spending, his regulations, or really anything.
"...So what recovery are you talking about?..."
It's spelled "lying", and it's what steaming piles of lefty shit do
“You’ve got me mistaken for a Biden fan.”
Yet you’re here EVERY FUCKING DAY either defending democrats or deflecting from their massive failures back to Trump. And you’re doing THAt right now.
You are and always have been a democrat shill.
Indeed the Fed's inflation in 2020 didn't show up in prices until about a year and a half later, because the pandemic held down the velocity of money in the meantime.
And if things were going anywhere near as great as the Democratic cabal was saying just a few short weeks ago you and your ilk would not give Trump one drop of credit. Only because things suck is Trump being dragged into this conversation.
The economy is actually doing pretty good right now. Yes we’re dealing with high prices in the aftermath of inflation, but the rate of inflation is down. Unemployment is down. Investment is up. By all economic indicators, things aren’t that bad.
I believe that the reason you and the rest of Trump’s defenders are insisting that the economy is terrible so that, if Trump is elected, you can claim it suddenly got better because of him. Even though nothing will have changed between the day before and the day after the election.
And bookmarked.
Thanks shrike!
I wonder how lit he was when he wrote that bullshit?
This is the parody account, right?
Is there any distinction?
“The economy is actually doing pretty good right now”
Oh really?
“Yes we’re dealing with high prices in the aftermath of inflation, but the rate of inflation is down”
So we’re stuck with the high prices, but they’re only skyrocketing a little slower than before?
“Unemployment is down”
Unemployment is down only if you factor in jobs given to illegals. The tech sector and others are facing massive layoffs currently. This is certain to escalate going into 2025.
“Investment is up”
Only if you count government grants used by the administration to prop up the market. Otherwise it’s not.
“By all economic indicators, things aren’t that bad.”
Relative to what? Certainly not the Trump years. Hell, not even relative to the Obama years. You must be comparing it to the mid 1930’s to justify that statement.
But yeah Drunky, Bidenomics is just awesome. You just keep shilling for that senile traitor and his retarded marxist VP.
Inflation is still 50% above Fed target. Sarc is just a fucking idiot.
And that's just core.
The stuff people actually *require* to live: housing, energy, food, insurance? That's all still tracking at 5% or more.
Also they still have negative health care inflation pulling that 3% number down as low as it is, which is just preposterous.
Whatever you do sarc, never blame a democrat. Ignore regulations. Ignore doubling of covid spending. Ignore the governors who shut down the economy. But most importantly, never criticize a Democrat.
He also ignores the de o rats who vote in lockstep for this spending. But it’s all Trump’s fault.
Nobody denies that the stimulus checks added to the debt. I don’t think anybody here has even denied that it added to the inflationary situation.
What they have argued is: 1. Congress passed that spending; 2. That spending is a drop in the bucket compared to the budgets of the following couple of years and THAT spending is what really ramped up the inflation; 3. Kamala was THE deciding vote for the Inflation Reduction Act which was far and away worse than CARES.
I’d add that the CARES spending wouldn’t have been “necessary” if Democrats around the country hadn’t handcuffed the economies hands behind its back and then put their knees on its throat.
1. Doesn't matter, Trump signed it. 2. Doesn't matter, still added trillions to the money supply 3. Doesn't matter, different Act.
Red herrings are red.
I didn’t say it didn’t add to the money supply, in fact I pointed out that nobody here has denied that.
We're talking about inflation and you’re focusing on one thing, and laying the blame at Trump’s feet because he signed it (Which is an actual red herring btw, because it doesn’t matter who was in the White House, that law was getting signed, especially in an election year). Pointing out that the spending that came after it was worse and added even more to the inflationary pressure than your favorite hobby horse isn’t a red herring, you know that right?
And it doesn’t even matter that Trump signed it because even if he vetoed it, a giant spending bill WAS getting rammed through Congress and enacted, given the situation of the country at the time, because approximately 435 + 33 1/3* – (some number of retirees I don’t know off the top of my head) of them were up for re-election in 2020.
If we had the “adults in the room” the regime claimed to be, there would have been IMMEDIATE BRAKES on spending. Instead, they *optionally* stomped hard on the accelerator, and we’re racking up $1 trillion in debt every 3 months with just the REGULAR spending packages (plus the wasted Zelenskyyyyyyyy bucks). That’s *significantly* worse than Trump in his first 3 years.
Blame them all but only the donkey party doubled down, OPTIONALLY, on stupid. The elephant party was basically stuck with doing the first stupid thing unless they wanted to be down about 80-20 in Congress. I see that as far more of an indictment of the electorate than of Trumpublicans.
*33 1/3 because 1/3 of the Senate seats are up every 2 years, but one year in every six is 34 of them instead of 33 and I don’t know if 2020 was 33 or 34 off the top of my head.
It's amazing how 48 hours ago, some people were claiming that her 'price gauging' idea was only for natural disasters.
If Trump had won in 2020 do you really think the Stimulus bill would have been inacted? Do you think the Inflation Perpetuation Act would have been passed? Those two items, both passed due to Kamala's tie-breaking vote, are primarily responsible for the spike in inflation in 2021-2022. Inflation would have been much, much less with Trump in office.
If Joe Biden Saved the Economy, Why Do We Need Kamala Harris' Price Controls?
If Joe Biden is so out of it he can't run the country but, apparently, still is, why do we presume that Kamala "Price Gauging" Harris came up with the economic policy she intends to implement herself?
Amd if it’s so great, why do we have to wait? She’s in office right now. She could present this to Congress tomorrow. And she’s probably already signing Biden’s name for executive orders anyway.
Why do we have to wait until January for all her awesome ideas?
Very few Democrats value objectivity and logical consistency. Feelz are much more compatible with cognitive dissonance.
As I posted above, it helps to look at Democratic politics as a religion of sorts and their leader as a theocratic entity. At least it saves me the frustration of trying to make any other sense of it.
""Will the speakers keep telling us that America's economy is stronger than ever, or that the country is in a crisis and Harris needs to be our price-setter-in-chief?""
We are talking about people who gaslighted the world regarding Biden's cognitive state only to pretend they didn't. I fully expect them to continue gaslighting on whatever subject de jour.
The economists I pay attention to have no love for either party, yet they're saying the economy is doing pretty good. If that wasn't the case then I'd be with you. But it's more than just the media who says the economy has recovered and then some.
Well this is utterly bullshit. Many of the ones you’ve linked to in the past have had stops at Brookings and other keynesian outlets.
This is just more proof of your utter stupidity in pretending you and your sources are free of bias.
Please link your actual citations. Dare ya. Lol.
lol
You should step out of your bubble. There’s more out there than the FOX echo chamber.
You should make arguments using facts and logic instead of bald assertions and then projections of bias towards others.
Yeah, like reality.
Salaries have not kept up with inflation so your average person spends more for the stuff they did before Biden became president. Last I heard it costs about $1,000 dollars a month on food, gas, etc. more than when Trump was president. And Biden and company ignored inflation when it first popped up. People noticed.
Sure you can find economists and other people who say the economy is doing great, but it easy to find others who say there are issues that aren't being reflected in the top level numbers --like more people worked before the pandemic than now-- and that those issues reflect a serious underlying problem in the economy.
Yes salaries haven’t caught up with inflation. But they always have. Takes time. Economy recovers first, then everything else catches up.
I try to find economists without a political axe to grind. Like Antony Davies and Don Boudreaux. Links below.
You didn't link yo any material from them. Odd.
And for some of them they are negative on the economy overall. Lol.
Really? Name them. And post links to these opinions.
https://mightyheaton.com/the-political-orphanage
https://wordsandnumbers.libsyn.com/
https://cafehayek.com/
Be careful. You might learn something.
You didnt link to any actual claims. This is one of the most retarded appeals to authority ever.
Andrew is a comedian. And his outlook is negative.
Your second links first podcast in link lol.
https://wordsandnumbers.libsyn.com/episode-392-could-unemployment-be-a-good-thing
Going through their articles, none claim the economy is good. Care to provide a real citation?
Ahh. And you edited to add cafe Hayek which makes no claim on if the current economy is good or not. And when they do… they are asking if the American dream is dead lol.
Youre failing pretty badly here sarc.
Literally none of your links anywhere mention the economy being good. Do you even read or listen to your own fucking links?
Your statement sarc:
The economists I pay attention to have no love for either party, yet they’re saying the economy is doing pretty good.
None of your sources except the middle make the inference you offered.
These claims are probably what he hallucinated while he was blackout drunk.
Mostly podcasts he listened to while blasted drunk out of his mind.
Cafe Hayek?!? You apparently don't read it.
"If Joe Biden Saved the Economy, Why Do We Need Kamala Harris' Price Controls?"
Joe Biden saved the economy like Stalin saved the Kulaks.
Wish bug spray worked on internet gnats. Bugs that shit on every single post.
Don’t leave such stinky posts.
I know. Gems like appeal to authority by not linking actual arguments when their articles actually disagree with your assertions should never be tarnished.
You're doing well sarc. Not reaffirming how ignorant and biased you are at all.
Claiming CafeHayek was pro dem economy is my favorite assertion by the way.
Why don’t you just cut out the middle man and drink the bug spray then? That might kill the bug.
You left out Eric the million job revision downward coming out tomorrow. All the jobs made last year were fake.
Even the 2nd and 3rd part time jobs?
Oops
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2024/08/20/whoa-labor-stats-have-been-revised-and-the-number-is-not-good-n2643647
Lack of completion and lack of supply. Remove all tariffs on ag and food from Mexico and Canada and prices will Fall quickly. Trump plans the opposite - once again Trump wants to destroy supply chains and start trade wars. He is the dumbest most arrogant anti-American the country has ever seen. Or he is trying to destroy America for Putin.
LoL
The last sentence says it correctly.
Putin was so pro Biden that he waited until he came into power to invade Ukraine.
A LOT of people would be alive right now if Trump was still president.
Charlie is too much of a stupid bitch to understand any of this.
His comments are among the dumbest every appearing on this site...
And THAT's saying something given the other ignorant trolls who roam these boards.
Tell that to Joe Biden, who's still technically president.
If WE remove all tariffs but our trading partners don't remove tariffs on our exports, then we're at a disadvantage. The decrease in price will be offset by money we'd have to print to prop up or bail out American farms, which is heavily subsidized to begin with.
Make all tariffs 1%. That will more than cover the cost of Customs and Border Protection and even give the agency a desperately needed budget increase. Inflation dies. So do the too many US businesses that are protected by the government. The people who are supporting Trump because of inflation are economic ignoramuses who don't understand that he wants to CAUSE inflation with his import taxes.
Wow, almost none of what you said is grounded in reality. And you have absolutely no idea how inflation works. Look to the massive ongoing debauchment of our currency for that.
Tarriffs don't cause inflation. Printing money does. Printing a lot of money while supplies are limited will cause hyper inflation. And how making tariffs 1% would cover the cost of border protection is beyond me.
What was the rate of inflation in 2017, before the pandemic and when big bad tariff man Trump was still president? Yeah.
Tariff and protectionism was a centerpiece agenda for the left for decades, especially for the unions. Trump latched onto it as part of his populist appeal. But since he's not a batshit insane Marxist and his approach to trade was more sensible in practice, the economy fared better under him.
The 12-Year Great Depression was the BEST economy ever too according to fascist Democrats. After all; that's all there was in D.C. the entire time.
Probably the best attack line against Harris is to ask why she would be doing different stuff on Day 1 of her administration if she is basically in charge now? Why not talk to Joe and the advisory team and get it done? If it's that good.
Democrats are pushing a jarringly disconnected economic message.
They're pushing a jarringly disconnected EVERYTHING message.
"We're here to help families and make America great again their children and their children's children. By the way, the abortion truck is right outside. First ten free!"
"Let us start with a land acknowledgement of all these tribes we can't pronounce. Also, we're not giving the land back to them."
"Thank you Julius Biden, we really respect and admire you and thank you for all you've done. Especially letting us stab you in the back."
"Hey, did you see our non-binary Muslim prayer room? We knew Islam would appreciate that."
"We're going to solve the border problem that we've spent all this time saying doesn't exist and isn't a problem!"
Clown World. This is what happens to people who willfully refuse to operate in reality.
Shorter Joe: We "fixed" the economy we fucked.