Nobody Owes Trump Their Vote. Not Even Kyle Rittenhouse.
After announcing he would vote for Ron Paul, an onslaught of criticism ensued. Those critiques missed the mark, even though the gun rights advocate ultimately caved.

Update: About 14 hours after Rittenhouse shared his video explaining his support for Ron Paul, declaring that "you must stand by your principles," he announced that he spoke "with members of the Trump's [sic] team" and that he is now "100% behind Donald Trump."
"A lot of people are upset that I said I'm going to be writing in Ron Paul for president of the United States, and that is true. I will be writing in Ron Paul." So said Kyle Rittenhouse in a recent video posted to X. A lot of people, it appears, are indeed upset. Should they be?
Rittenhouse catapulted to national attention in 2020 when, at age 17, he armed himself, traveled to Kenosha, Wisconsin, during a night of riots and civil unrest, and shot three men, killing two. It was always Rittenhouse's contention that he'd acted in self-defense, and his arrest galvanized many in the conservative movement who said the prosecution was motivated not by justice but by the political moment. Supporters helped raise $2 million for Rittenhouse's bail, and he ultimately attracted the attention of former President Donald Trump, who defended him while in office and who hosted Rittenhouse at Mar-a-Lago after leaving the White House.
So one of the primary reactions to Rittenhouse's choice for president is that he's guilty of betrayal. Trump and the MAGA movement had his back when his life took its most dire turn, the thinking goes, so Rittenhouse owes them his loyalty at the ballot box. That general sentiment is summed up aptly by the one-and-only Catturd: "I can stomach a lot of things - but backstabbing millions who supported you at your lowest point. Then turning on Trump right after he got shot," he said in a viral post. "Can't stomach it - won't put up with it - forgotten forever."
In other words, Rittenhouse is allegedly in debt to Trump and his followers for supporting his claims of innocence. He was acquitted in 2021 of all charges, including first-degree reckless homicide, two counts of first-degree recklessly endangering safety, first-degree intentional homicide, and attempted first-degree intentional homicide. That was the right decision. And it was the one the jury came to because that is what the evidence clearly supported. The right to self-defense is not selectively available to people with certain views. Rittenhouse owes no one a thing for not getting convicted of charges that prosecutors should not have brought to begin with.
So why did Trump fail to gain Rittenhouse's support? "Unfortunately, Donald Trump had bad advisers making him bad on the Second Amendment, and that is my issue," he said in his video. "If you cannot be completely uncompromisable on the Second Amendment, I will not vote for you." Trump's record includes a bump stock ban, which Reason's Jacob Sullum noted turned "peaceful gun owners into felons by fiat," and his support for red flag laws. Those moves may not be deal-breakers for many people, including other staunch supporters of the Second Amendment. They apparently are for Rittenhouse. It's his one vote, and he can do with it what he wants.
Yet his announcement also elicited what has become the predictable response, on both the left and the right, to similar defections from the mainstream: You're helping elect the other guy. For one, that vastly overstates the power of a vote—an unpopular thing to say, sure, but true nonetheless. And it's particularly true for Rittenhouse, who lives in the Dallas–Fort Worth area; if he's casting his vote there, I'm going to go out on a limb and assume it will not derail Trump's electoral victory in Texas, which is almost assured.
But even if it were true that Rittenhouse's vote would have some sort of Earth-shattering effect on the outcome of the 2024 election, a vote is earned. It's an expression of support. If neither mainstream option can produce a platform that is sufficiently palatable to someone, they certainly have the prerogative to make that known—by supporting someone else or, gasp, not voting altogether.
After all, no one is entitled to your vote. They're not entitled to it simply because they're a member of a particular political party, and they're not entitled to it for supposedly being less bad than the other side. And they're certainly not entitled to it just because they said supportive things about you in a time of need.
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Nobody owes their vote to Harris either.
Is someone suggesting that Rittenhouse owes a vote to Harris?
LOL. So clueless.
I believe he said he will write-in Ron Paul which he has a right to do. Kind of wondering why Chase Oliver is getting his vote as Chase is pretty second amendment friendly.
Because Chase is terrible, especially compared with either of the Paul's in particular.
How so? Ever look at his platform? Seems reasonable to me.
https://votechaseoliver.com/platform/
"Seems reasonable to me."
Nobody expected otherwise, Sarcasmic.
"At this critical moment in time in our economy, millions of people find themselves saddled with an average of $28,950 in student loan debt... I will immediately end the Federal backing of student loans by asking Congress to make all current loans interest-free"
Don't forget to double-mask for Chase this Thanksgiving, Sarckles.
The full quote is "I will immediately end the Federal backing of student loans by asking Congress to make all current loans interest-free, while simultaneously ending all future government-guaranteed loans."
It’s called lying by omission. One of his many dishonest talents.
That doesn’t really change the first part being a) unsound policy (even if it would directly benefit me), and b) standing any chance of happening.
But unlike Joe, he at least understands that Congress has to act on it.
In other words, he's a good liar.
Why doesn't the Dept of Education have to cut their funding? Or, preferably, shut the fuck down? Why must the money come from DoD?
As has been mentioned many times, military is at least mentioned as a necessity in the Constitution.
Why doesn’t the Dept of Education have to cut their funding? Or, preferably, shut the fuck down?
Like Chase Oliver proposes?
At the federal level, the best policy on education is to remove the federal government’s involvement in education. I support abolishing the Department of Education and block granting those funds back to states to be returned to taxpayers. I also support getting the government out of the student loan business so market forces can lower the cost of higher education over time.
I realize I'm swimming against the current here and commenters disdain Chase.
Let me ask: Is there anything wrong with Chase other than his stance that puberty blockers for minorities is better decided between parents and doctors than the state? He's on pretty firm libertarian ground there. Well that and he stands no chance of winning.
For me personally, it’s his disdain for the Pauls, his stance on puberty blockers (I don’t disagree that parents generally have a duty of care to provide their children, I just strongly disagree with the idea that that is any kind of rational care for a mental disorder), and his (really the entire party’s) capitulation and fumbling of the Covid hysteria.
I didn’t know about his disdain for the Pauls. That’s troubling. Yes, COVID hysteria, I should have included that.
Fair question, Q-Brix.
Chase Oliver has zero executive experience on the private side, where 80% of economic activity (non government) is happening. He has zero understanding of capitalization issues for small businesses. He has zero understanding of capital markets in action. He literally has no experience.
Chase Oliver has zero foreign policy experience. And I mean zero. Maybe he attended a dinner somewhere in NYC where the ambassador from Zimbabwe shook his hand, but that is about the extent of Chase's foreign policy experience. He literally has no experience.
Team L has
foistedfielded a totally unserious candidate who doesn't have the chops to be a 'spoiler' in any state. A totally wasted opportunity.And what's the the point of being a spoiler anyway? I thought the point was to try and drag one of the two major parties closer to libertarian policies by costing them votes unless they move more libertarian. Well when one of those two parties showed up at the convention looking to do that, Chase and company tried to engage in a heckler's veto to shut them down.
My disdain for Chase is that I don't believe him here.
I care not two cents what he says. People say all sorts of things. What he's done reveals him to be a boilerplate progressive. The Obama fundraising, the COVID theater, the constant undermining of any candidates to the right of Leon Trotsky in favor of Democrats.
It doesn't mean he can't have a change of heart, but he can go have that change of heart without being the LP nominee, and leave that position to someone without that past baggage. Beltway libertarians beclowned themselves during COVID because they have a greater affinity for the left than they do the right, and they deserve some time in the penalty box to reflect on this betrayal.
Found the White Dude for Harris.
No. But I just read somewhere that libertarians are all in for some guy named Shapiro.
Kamala’s base will definitely love that guy.
Not the Hamasites.
I thought the Shapiros put a full stop to them Hashemites a long time ago...
According to the resident idiots, that is exactly what not owing a vote to Trump means.
Ideas!
What about that vote you owe to Kammy, Sarckles?
Someone read the magazine title to these MAGAts... Harris is in one of the entrenched looter parties, NOT libertarian.
Not even strategically or reluctantly?
Well, he ain’t black
Does anybody owe Kyle anything? No? Then fuck off Billy. It's funny how you proggy twats don't get bent out if shape over the coercive capture of Blacks, women or QUILTBAG+ mafia but how dare people think that loyalty and support should mean something. Kid can do his thing but I'm free to put him right next to Black Rifle Coffee for this.
Kyle walked it back. Even Catturd forgave him.
"Forgotten forever"...
Quit moaning. Rittenhouse caved and is now giving lip service to voting for Felon a L'Orange.
"It misses the mark."
Unlike Kyle's AR, amirite ventilated antifa soy boys?!?!
Writing in Ron Paul just makes me like this guy more. I mean, to be fair Rand Paul would be better choice since even if by some magic Ron won he's old as fuck and out of whatever small spotlight he once had. That's probably for a reason given that he's something like 88 years old now.
While Rand might not be as good as ol' Ron, he's still better than anything else we could hope for right now.
As far as virtue signalling goes, I don't hate it. On the other hand, it does also come across as a slap in the face to the people who have defended and supported him against the corrupt, dishonest actions of the government and media against him.
He owes nothing to an individual politician, but he definitely isn't reading the room correctly in regards to who has given him money and opportunities.
He's a very young man who has lived an outsized life through no fault of his own. I'm impressed that he has read enough about an old Guy like Ron Paul to support him. He's obviously capable of critical thinking and has been persuaded that throwing his support behind an actually viable candidate like Trump makes sense in the short term at least. I don't care either way. Seems like a good guy.
The fact is that people who supported him were doing it for the wrong reasons if they expected a vote for Trump in return. In fact, he’s doing them one better by voting for someone who is actually way better than Trump in every conceivable way other than actual electability.
Well, that and it’s about 20 years too late to elect Ron as President. Like I said, he’s very old and out of the political game. A vote for Rand would have been slightly more rational, but still a vote for one’s conscience which I respect even if it’s a ‘wasted’ vote nationally.
I mean, to be fair Rand Paul would be better choice
Ron would be an infinitely better president than Trump, but the point is getting the Democrats, the Military Industrial Complex and the Alphabet Sex Cult away from the levers of power. And the best chance for that is sticking together.
And lying by omission, apparently.
It'd be entertaining to watch Doddering Ronnie the Girl-Bullier try to win a fistfight against a woman young enough to be pregnant. But I'll lay odds that coward is too chicken to face a victim in person. Safer to send dog-shooting dirty cops to do the manly law enforcement.
I read all kinds of conservative media, and haven't noticed any outrage over this. It wasn't even reported on Breitbart, which is definitely Trumpy. Outrages occur on twitter, where randos can express outrage for free. That's not necessarily real life.
What prominent conservative said Rittenhouse is obligated to vote for Trump? Reason says nothing when black dems say "skin folk aren't kin folk" on black republicans.
It wasn’t even reported on Breitbart, which is definitely Trumpy.
Maybe that's because they deliberately 'curate' their news in order to stay true to the narrative.
They would "curate" news by not reporting on someone who apparently betrayed Trump?
Ok, act blue shill.
Maybe that’s because they deliberately ‘curate’ their news in order to stay true to the narrative.
How do you imagine that would deviate from the "narrative", Lying Jeffy? Explain it for everyone.
Twitter. He lost a shitton of followers. A lot of comments that he's a naive kid
Same here. This is the first I've heard of it. But I still don't know what Q Anon is and Reason editors were experts so...
I have to agree. I do know some people got upset with the "Not voting for Trump" headlines, but every last one of them shrugged when they heard he announced support for Rand Paul.
The MAGA group might want support for their man, but Rand has their respect. The only thing is people saying write-in candidates is throwing your vote away.
I'd go one further and say if someone is MAGA and they don't respect Rand Paul then they can fuck themselves because they clearly don't have any rational basis that aligns with conservatism or libertarianism in the first place.
Or ol' "If You Don't Vote For Me, Then You Ain't Black" Biden.
This. I will classify this ‘story’ in the same vein as the annual ‘the mean Christians are coming after starbucks' nonsense.
Being from and having lots of friends and family in the deep South, my FB feed is filled with bible quotes and prayers and all manner of generally Protestant vibe (I’m Catholic so it doesn’t matter to me.) When Christmas comes around and the inevitable Starbucks red cup controversy is churned, all I can find are the articles defending the red cup, not a single article or comment actually doing the Christian complaining in the first place.
Sure, anecdotal and personal, but seriously, they write the same story every year…
You're not going to angry up the Chemjeff's and KARs without stories of those evil x-tians getting upset that their holiday is being corporately exploited while simultaneously being treated like a fart in an elevator.
You know who else peppered his books and speeches with Bauble quotes? https://libertariantranslator.wordpress.com/2022/12/03/hitlers-christianity-from-nobeliefs-com/
JFC, you are the most cloyingly, ridiculous, non-relevant person posting. Good job.
Yeah, I heard about it first from the left. It’s part of a “Trump cult crumbling” narrative or something
hey when does your apology piece about J6 drop?
I would imagine if I had to guess, as a young lad entering college, it is much less of a headache and closes the door on less interactions / friendships / invites if you are seen as a rogue that might have some conservative views, but you are bucking the system by voting 3rd party (and importantly in their eyes, for a benign person that doesn't actually have a chance to win). As I have discussed before, even back in 08 you were basically shunned if you identified as a conservative republican. I can imagine being known as a high profile person and going full Trump with the MAGA hat in college would pretty much mean social isolation. Though I guess I dont know where he ended up for college.
He really doesnt have the option to be completely apolitical given his fame at this point, so this probably gets people off his back a bit, maybe lets him get some pussy.
Seriously at his age pussy should be his primary goal. Plenty of time to worry about politics later.
In my youth I spent 80% of money on wine, women, and song. The other 20% I wasted.
The good times don't last forever. Get all you can get.
Someone explain to copro-breath here that WINNING is using spoiler clout to get looters to repeal bad laws. LOSING is being one of the dumb collectivists helping a looter exert more deadly force backed by service pistols against YOU. https://libertariantranslator.wordpress.com/2016/11/06/what-is-winning/
Felt the heat:
Kyle Rittenhouse
@ThisIsKyleR
Over the past 12 hours, I’ve had a series of productive conversations with members of the Trump’s team and I am confident he will be the strong ally gun owners need to defend our Second Amendment rights.
My comments made last night were ill-informed and unproductive. I’m 100% behind Donald Trump and encourage every gun owner to join me in helping send him back to the White House.
Probably got death threats for rejecting Orange Jesus, so he got on his knees and repented.
Poor sarc, lost again.
Did you get death threats before you realized that Kammy was actually a genius and authentically black?
Funny seeing a Kamala voter discussing somebody being on their knees.
Kyle Rittenhouse is not betraying anyone regardless of who he votes for. His vote is not going to make a difference as Ron Paul will not be elected, but it is his right to vote for whomever he wishes and Ron Paul does not seem to be a bad choice.
The MAGA chodes cry and cry and cry about anything. Catturd is a sad, pathetic old man and YOU'D BETTER NOT TURN YOUR BACK ON HIS FAVORITE GAME SHOW HOST!!!!
Don't hurt us new guy. We're not worthy.
I'm guessing this isn't a bad thing, but I don't understand a single reference in that post.
I'm extremely grateful a 21 year old was kind enough to share his wisdom with us. Whatever would we do without Kyle?
Go back to listening to Rob Reiner then.
Or whoopie
Or Joy Reid
or Joe Scarborough
But St. Greta is the voice of a generation and must be followed.
Cool story bro. Now do the black vote and Democrat politicians. I'll wait.
I'm just sitting here watching the Thin Blue Line crowd rally behind the felon and the ACAB crowd line up behind the cop. Didn't have that on the Bingo card...
You think maybe because the 'thin blue line crowd' have the wherewithal to recognize a complete rail-roading of the justice system?
Or is this one of those no true Scotsman fallacies?
WTF kind of article is this? Lol
He can vote for whoever he wants - that's his right. I don't think his 1 vote one way or another is going to change anything in Illinois, or wherever he's living now, so I'm not bothered by it.
I don't think it's a great thing to be a single-issue voter, but plenty of other people are.
He's free to change his mind if he wants to, too.
"a vote is earned. It's an expression of support."
If we've learned anything at all the past 8+ years: No it fucking isn't. Both of those statements are completely false.
Remember that day all the 'principled' Libertarians voted for Joe Jorgensen and ended up giving the Presidency to Biden?
Unless your state has ranked-choice; voting outside one of the two primary parties with the devil running in one of them is rather ignorant stupidity. Primaries are the point to vote for 'principle' after that; there needs to be a compromise with other voters who elected that primary. That's how it works in non ranked-choice voting.
The Bidens are the most corrupt family to ever occupy the White House.
*raises hand*
Am I the only one here who has always suspected that Rittenhouse is kind of an attention whore?
Fact is, at the beginning of this week, he was yesterday's news. Nobody thought or cared about him anymore. He did a thing (that was completely avoidable), he was lionized for it (though he shouldn't have been), he was acquitted (which led to gallons of liberal tears), he enjoyed 15 minutes of fame (really really really enjoyed it, in fact, to a seemingly unhealthy degree) - and we all moved on.
Until he decided to do something that would swing the spotlight back. I mean, he couldn't just endorse Trump in 2024. Everyone would be like, "Well yea, duh. Anyway." But this little 24hr flip-flop well... suddenly he's headlines again.
It's like he's the right-wing version of David Hogg.
There's always been something super sketchy to me about Rittenhouse. Right from the beginning, during his little cosplay cop story in Kenosha. I picked up a performative vibe from watching his trial. His appearance soon after acquittal at that TPUSA thing was beyond cringey. And now this.
Ske-tchy.
It’s like he’s the right-wing version of David Hogg.
Maybe 'Bizarro' is the better term. 'Right-wing' feels like a boaf sidez false equivocation that David Hogg wants to pass legislation while Kyle Rittenhouse doesn't (or not auspiciously anyway).
More personally along the same lines, Kyle strikes me as someone more swept up by circumstances. Doesn't mean he's not an attention-whore but there are celebrities who show up for every jangle of the keys and then there are celebrities who only show up for jangled keys if they think it's going to take them where they want to go. Kyle seems more like the former, Hogg the latter.
One of the most irritating things about the 2016 election was all the snotty derision I heard from Trump and Clinton supporters that a vote for Gary Johnson was a vote for whichever of the candidates they didn't like.
If Trump had adopted the Libertarian platform, I might have supported him. He didn't, so I didn't.
-jcr
I hear ya.
But then the 2016 campaign just about broke the LP for me. Then 2020 kind of ripped away the veil, and presented me with a blissfully obvious binary. Which sucks, because I live in a liberal hellhole an hour from DC and my vote would never count for shit anyway.
Ron Paul thinks states should be able to ban guns, because he doesn't believe the federal Bill of Rights applies to the states. That's what's ironic about this. It shows how ignorant Rittenhouse is, and most of the people that worship Ron Paul.
Im not for Trump, but as bad as he is on gun rights he's still better than Ron Paul.
Nobody owes their vote to anyone, however if there ever was one single candidate that no one in the right mind would vote for, it would be Harris. A complete moron and near literate fool.
The only job Harris is good for as greeter at Wally World. The worst of it all is that she would retain Obongo's people and they would finish the job of destroying what's left of this nation. Their agenda is national suicide.
It's either remain at home on election day or at the very least vote to protect America from the Marxists.
Nah, not racist.
If Trump loses by one vote, what will Kyle do when the Kamala Kops come for his newly illegal deadly assault rifle, along with all the ammunition and accessories?
Shoot them, shoot himself, or give in?
The Texas Militia will protect him.
"Nobody Owes Trump Their Vote. Not Even Kyle Rittenhouse."
Yeah, as if anyone owes Heels Up Harris a vote.
Demonstrating once again Binnion has shit for brains.
Lookada coprophagic Trumpanzee sockpuppet. Moot Lewser engaged...
There are 2 choices in the next election and everyone choses. We have Trump and his mouth. Looks like we will have Harris and her word salad, nasty attitude. Both have records. Harris is a repeat of Obama and Biden. If you like the last 4 years with the inflation, massive government spending, more debt, the open borders, etc, you chose Harris. Like the economy under Trump and his big mouth you chose Trump. To chose something else will push the election to Harris and 4 more years.
Rittenhouse gets his moment in the media AGAIN, matching his big mouth with Trumps.
In point of fact there are three. Your vote can endorse Christian National Socialist laws killing pregnant women, shooting your dog and kids over plant leaves and crashing the economy with laws against trade and production. Or you can vote for higher taxes and moronic attempts to make electricity illegal because Climate Sharknados. Failing that, your leveraged vote/donation can shift history AGAINST cruel, suicidal coercion and in favor of individual rights with freedom of production and trade in North and South America. That's the pro-choice Chase Oliver vote. Four million of them shift 127 electoral votes in 13 States. https://libertariantranslator.wordpress.com/2018/01/07/integrity-is-their-enemy-2/
It's the 1955 Solomon Asch Social Pressure Experiment all over again. You'd be desperately squealing for votes too, if every sane woman in the country were out to nail your hide to the barn! https://libertariantranslator.wordpress.com/2016/09/12/the-25-v-social-pressure/
With Harris in the White house, there won't be a third or fourth year of her presidency. America will completely disintegrate into feudalism and civil war. The cities will be burning like never before and millions will starve to death.
The entire nation will collapse in on itself. Law and order will have vanished in all but remote villages. The wealthy elites/technocrats may believe themselves to be immune or protected against the hordes but they will discover to their own horror, they are just as vulnerable.
Better have a plan son. Relocate in remote areas. Prepare for anything. Don't wait for the last minute or you will be trapped.
Nah, not demented.
You can vote for Trump and probably lose at least some rights.
Or you can vote for literally anyone else and all of humanity ABSOLUTELY WITHOUT QUESTION loses all of their rights forever, because free civilization cannot survive another 4 years of a globalist/CCP puppet regime running DC.
I don't like the guy but until we are rid of the obvious globalist tyrant hacks like Haley, Scott, and literally every Democrat (the even remotely respectable ones like Tulsi, Sinema, and Manchin had to drop out of the Party... too bad they still caucus with them), the government beatdowns of regular people, both metaphorical and literal, will continue until morale improves.
"Rittenhouse owes no one a thing for not getting convicted of charges that prosecutors should not have brought to begin with."
No. But he may owe some serious antipathy toward the extremely large group of people who wanted to put him in prison for the rest of his life for mere political gain.
"I've spent the majority of my career trying to make the criminal justice more equitable, and clearly there's a lot more work to do." The next President is either going to be Trump or the person who said that about his acquittal.
I'm no Trump supporter but I'd imagine that he is probably happy that this little murderer doesn't support him.