Promising To Restore 'Law and Order,' Trump Falsely Claims Crime Is Rising
The most notable recent increase happened on the former president's watch, when homicides spiked.

"Our crime rate is going up," former President Donald Trump claimed during the Republican National Convention last week, when he vowed to "Make America Safe Once Again." Yet the most notable recent increase in the homicide rate happened on Trump's watch, and violent crime has been falling since then.
That gap between Republican rhetoric and reality corresponds with long-standing public perceptions of crime, which Americans routinely say is going up even when it is going down. Trump is hoping to capitalize on that misperception as he campaigns on a promise to reverse a nonexistent trend by "restor[ing] law and order."
Violent crime in the United States has fallen precipitously since 1993, when the homicide rate was 9.5 per 100,000 residents. By 2013, the rate was less than half that number.
Despite ups and downs since then, the homicide rate remains substantially lower than it was three decades ago. The same is true of robbery, aggravated assault, and property crime.
The biggest recent spike in murders was seen in 2020, when the rate rose by a whopping 30 percent. It fell by about 7 percent in 2022, and preliminary estimates indicate that it fell again in 2023, by about 13 percent—one of the largest annual drops ever recorded. So far this year, according to data from more than 200 cities, the homicide rate is down by even more: about 17 percent.*
The major exception to recent positive crime trends has been car theft, which rose by 4 percent in 2021 and by 10.4 percent in 2022. That is a pretty thin reed on which to hang Trump's claim that "our crime rate is going up."
Fortunately for Trump, the data don't seem to have made much of an impression on most Americans. Last October, 77 percent of respondents told Gallup they believed crime had increased in the United States compared to the previous year.
That was roughly consistent with the results for all but a few years after 1993, when most Americans continued to say crime was getting worse even as the data showed otherwise. That was true even in 2013, when the homicide rate fell to its lowest recent level but 64 percent of Gallup respondents thought crime was increasing.
Starting with the false premise that crime generally is on the rise, Republicans blame Democrats for allowing it to happen. "Under Joe Biden, the rule of law has disintegrated," Sen. Eric Schmitt (R–Mo.) averred at the Republican convention. "Crime is rampant. Our communities are under siege."
More specifically, Republicans say President Joe Biden's border policies have unleashed a wave of "migrant crime." To back up that claim, Trump cited three murders committed by men who entered the country illegally.
Horrifying as those crimes are, they do not prove the Republican thesis, which seems inconsistent with recent crime numbers. As Cato Institute immigration expert David Bier notes, "the most significant crime spike in recent years occurred in 2020—when illegal immigration was historically low until the end of the year" because of pandemic-related restrictions.
Thanks to Texas Gov. Greg Abbott's busing program, cities such as Philadelphia, Chicago, Denver, New York, and Los Angeles have seen large influxes of migrants. Their crime rates nevertheless have declined.
The expectation that the opposite would happen is based on the assumption that illegal immigrants are especially prone to commit crimes against people or property. But extensive research indicates that immigrants in general are less likely to commit such crimes than native-born Americans, and that seems to also be true of unauthorized immigrants, although that finding is more controversial.
"Because they're taking their criminals and they're putting them into our country," Trump said last week, "our crime rate is going up, while crime statistics all over the world are going down." Whatever you make of Trump's attempt to blame supposedly rising crime rates on the Biden administration's "ridiculous, insane and very stupid policies," it looks like an answer in search of a question.
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Dude, show me on the doll were the orange man touched you.
Seriously, how disingenuous can you get to cite 2020 statistics and call it "On Trump's watch" like... nothing in the world happened in 2020 other than Trump being in office?
Also, what's with the story choice these days? I get the mainstream media is in full fawning mode over Harris -- just look at Drudge to see all the Democrat talking points above the usual clickbait for a sample -- but something seems weird about how many orange man bad articles have happened in the last two weeks.
how disingenuous can you get to cite 2020 statistics and call it “On Trump’s watch”
Seems like fair game to me if Trump is claiming crime is rising and rule of law disintegrated under Biden. Sullum isn't saying Trump's policies caused the crime, just that his claims are not supported by crime statistics.
...because only a homicide counts as a crime?
…because only a homicide counts as a crime?
A fair criticism. Homicide is the easiest to find statistic because it is generally viewed as the most important crime statistic. Assault seems to have also peaked in 2020.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/191231/reported-aggravated-assault-rate-in-the-us-since-1990/
So should we give Trump the benefit of the doubt that when he says, "Our crime rate is going up," he is referring to nonviolent property crime and excluding murder?
The irony is reason used to report on the issue of reporting crime.
https://reason.com/2022/10/24/is-crime-getting-better-or-worse-we-dont-really-know/
Cities not reporting crime statistics. Then the soros prosecutors declining or lowering charges. But sure. Push the propaganda.
Individuals feel like crime is worse based on what they see. Day in and day out.
Just because a DA chooses to reclassify or decline doesn’t mean crimes didnt occur.
And if you look at theft costs from just retailers, theft is way up such as shoplifting.
Very true. The data is being manipulated. Crime is up. Case closed.
Part of your comment is pure nonsense. "Individuals feel like crime is worse based on what they see." If you believe crimes are underreported but you don't report the crimes you see, you are the problem.
Individuals feel like crime is worse based on what they see. Day in and day out.
Corrected version: Individuals feel like crime is worse based on how often they're told that it's getting worse.
Police officers, store managers who deal with shoplifters daily, and people with abusive spouses might see crime on a daily basis. Normal people don't "see" crime "day in and day out", not even in ghettos. They're drama queening.
So should we give Trump the benefit of the doubt that when he says, “Our crime rate is going up,” he is referring to nonviolent property crime and excluding murder?
I imagine he’s referring to crime in general. When people say “crime has gone up in my area”, they generally don’t mean murder. They mean theft or assault. When killings are occurring in greater numbers they generally specify that rather than just parceling if into ‘crime’.
The fact of the matter is that most shops and even many private individuals have stopped reporting crime because it drives up their insurance and the police don’t do anything.
The proof of this can be seen in the massive increase lately of private measures like anti-shoplifting security and private security firm patrols. Private companies and neighborhoods aren’t going to waste money on that unless they are desperate.
Jacob is deliberately lying to us and he knows it.
The leftists here all love manipulated statistics which can easily be seen of they were intellectually curious. It is easy to see the property crimes and the costs that come from those as increasing. But they bury their heads in the sand.
Thanks, ML. Good points.
Jacob is deliberately lying to us and he knows it.
Wait, the DNC friendly media is lying about crime rates? Is
BidenHarris behind in the polls?That's the thing. We have had countless articles about entire chains leaving New York and Californian cities due to rampant crime. There have been numerous discussions of "pharmacy deserts" arising since both CVS and Walgreens are retracting heavily in these areas. SPECIFICALLY due to crime. There are articles about insurance companies withdrawing from these cities due to the level of shoplifting and even organized raids on stores.
So I think I'll believe my lying eyes and say that at least in blue states, crime is going up a lot. Because you can twist statistics all you want, but you cannot say that money is not being lost.
The crime didn't happen if the police have prevented reporting of the crime by ensuring everyone knows they will do nothing.
Also, even reported rapes are up 11% in NYC this year.
We've always been at war with Eurasia.
Ignorance is strength.
The proof of this can be seen in the massive increase lately of private measures like anti-shoplifting security and private security firm patrols.
False. It's about the same as always.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/294206/revenue-of-security-services-in-the-us/
And homicides are the hardest crimes to make disappear. So the numbers are perhaps more accurate than for other crimes, which will often go unreported, or categorized as lesser crimes.
So murder stats I find fairly believable. I don't really believe for a minute that property crimes and petty assaults are down.
So should we give Trump the benefit of the doubt that when he says, “Our crime rate is going up,” he is referring to nonviolent property crime and excluding murder?
Well, if you're even reasonably intelligent and trying to be honest then when someone uses the unqualified term "crime" then you should assume that they're referring to crime in general, not the one specific type of crime that you've cherry-picked in order to play gotcha' games.
Well, if you’re even reasonably intelligent and trying to be honest...
Does Trump qualify for this?
But....TRUMP!!!!
Yeah, Trump.
I realize that childish simpletons like you think the fact that politicians lie is justification for being a liar yourself, but most of the rest of us don’t.
I realize that childish simpletons like you
I'm not the one that was reduced to name calling.
I’m not the one that was reduced to name calling.
But you are the one who isn't bright enough to understand the difference between attributes and names.
OK then.
These are mostly non demonized homicides.
No, homicide is the easiest stat to find because it's hard to massage a bullet riddled body into something else at scale. You can turn a few of them into suicides and accidental deaths, but not many. Whereas every other crime can be massaged away or reports misfiled/dropped in the wastebasket.
They don't have to work that hard on property crime. The police have established that they will do nothing about it. Therefore stores don't waste their time reporting it. Suddenly "crime" goes down. It's like magic.
It is the most important crime for two reasons. One, it means someone died. Two, it is the most reliably measured. MAGA snowflakes just melt when they are confronted with the facts that migrants commit few homicides and that homicide rates really ARE plummeting at a rate rarely observed -- on Biden's watch.
Rape went up magically in NYC this year. You're real compassionate about letting people get away with raping someone else's wife or daughters.
Not dishonest. Mendaciously evil.
Told for years that, during the Mostly Peaceful Summer of Love that Mayors, Governors, DAs, even agencies like the CDC, weren't excepting patently illegal and destructive behavior in the name of social justice and that it didn't significantly contribute. Even
when said social justice that disproportionately destroyed minority businesses. Even when we were told that all the crime statistics were broken and incomplete bullshit.
Now that Joe Biden has dementia, and the policies have clearly failed... 'Well it was under the watch of the highest-ranking and loudest voice calling for order that disorder was notable.' becomes the narrative?
Does MAGA want unity or vengeance? No. MAGA and others want the media to cut out the patently evil bullshitting that makes Trump look like a saint. Whether that comes as unity or vengeance, is a choice but, from the other perspective, eliminating an ongoing evil is not vengeance any more than it is vengeance to amputate a gangrenous digit or limb.
No matter how much you hate the media, it's not enough.
MAGA and others want the media to cut out the patently evil bullshitting that makes Trump look like a saint.
You need to edit your posts. "The media make Trump look like a devil" is, I am certain, what you meant.
You need to edit your posts.
Brevity soul wit:
No matter how much you hate media types like Jacob Sullum, it's not enough.
The disingenuous ones are the ones who deny that Trump lied to the American people about the pandemic, promoted quack treatments, and encouraged people to spread the disease by ignoring precautions. Oh and crime skyrocketed then, too.
The Orange man really IS bad.
LOL.... Leftard paraphrased... "I don't have a brain if I don't have a Hitler in office."
Holy cow you leftards are pathetic.
Quack treatments that were banned from discussion... then they ended up on the CDC website as valid treatments. Ivermectin springs to mind.
Where, exactly, does the CDC list Ivermectin as a treatment for COVID-19?
'Falsely'. Really? We can all see it. They don't have to report it. The big blue cities aren't reporting the crime, and that brings the numbers down. Easiest way to do it.
"NBC sent a news crew down to report on a robbery at LuLuLemon in DC. Another one happened as they were filming."
https://twitter.com/EndWokeness/status/1811062219213324670
Benny Johnson gets robbed ON CAMERA filming a segment on the only In-N-Out Burger location that has EVER closed (due to crime) in Oakland:
https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1780999718425817471
Remember Reason's own article about companies being threatened for reporting crimes too often?
https://reason.com/2024/07/17/brickbat-see-no-evil-hear-no-evil-report-no-evil/
Apparently looking out for active gunfire is racist, and we can't tolerate that:
https://twitter.com/unlimited_ls/status/1757835082239234197
Meanwhile: Black residents of Chicago are 60x more likely to be injured by gunfire, and 40x more likely to be killed by it.
https://isps.yale.edu/research/publications/isps14-005#.VuGC0JMrIdU
People in power don't care about crime in the ghetto.
https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/how-the-gun-control-debate-ignores-black-lives/80445/
“The support was to address the issue of gun violence that affected suburban areas — schools where white kids were killed.”
In other words, they were pretending to deal with a pretend problem (white suburban American kids are the demographic least likely to be murdered in ALL OF HUMAN HISTORY) while ignoring the very real problem of homicide in the ghetto!
There's also the massive spike in illegal immigration... which is a crime, as suggested by the name.
Every time someone here illegally gets a job, crimes are being committed. You can't legally hire someone not authorized, you cannot legally accept a job, if you are working under false papers you've committed identity theft, etc.
Not going to get into the weeds about any of that, the complexities of employment are a mess from a libertarian perspective, but the point is that having millions of people who cannot legally work becomes a massive perverse incentive fostering these sorts of crimes.
That isn't true. You are a typical example of a nativist bigot who doesn't understand immigration law. It isn't a crime to be in the United States illegally. And it is only a crime to simply hire an illegal immigrant if you engage in a pattern or practice of knowingly doing so.
Maybe the law should be stricter, but many industries would collapse were it not for illegal immigrant labor. The same people whining about higher food prices will really be shocked at what happens if the illegal immigrants who dominate much of the labor force in that sector are all deported.
And the suburban housewives will revolt if they get prosecuted for hiring their no-visa maid. This practice is so well accepted that I even had a New York City Police officer tell me that I was a fool for hiring a housecleaner who was born in the US.
As Pogo said over a half century ago, "We have met the enemy and he is us."
As Sevo just posted:
FOAD, TDS-addled pile of lefty shit.
If you need help learning to tie a noose so you can hang yourself, I suggest youtube.
Also, most of the farm laborers come in legally. Sell your lies someplace else.
What I do not get is....I get Reason's whole "criminal punishment is bad" thing and all --- but libertarianism, above all else, should be highly opposed to PROPERTY theft.
And Reason is not.
"According to data presented at Mayor Muriel Bowser’s crime summit Wednesday, violent crime is spiking at two specific times of the day in Ward 8, including when children are coming home from school.
The numbers show that violent crime occurs most frequently during the 4 p.m. hour and again between the hours of 8 and 11 p.m.
Property crime happens most frequently in the 5 p.m. hour."
https://www.dcnewsnow.com/news/local-news/washington-dc/ward-8-data-shows-violent-crime-spike-in-evening-nighttime-hours/
yeah, but by 6:30 that crime starts dropping off, proving that crime is down!
"North Side Ald. Leni Manaa-Hoppenworth (48th) on Thursday defended her decision to stop posting crime alerts on social media and automatically sending those alerts to all residents who sign up for her emails — even as shootings, robberies and criminal sexual assaults in her ward skyrocket."
https://chicago.suntimes.com/city-hall/2024/05/30/manaa-hoppenworth-crime-reports-email-alerts-48th-ward-edgewater-uptown
And oh, hey, I wonder what happened in 2019?
Crime is down! Since 4pm!
Riggers gonna rig to the moon. Black women will stuff handwritten notes in ballot boxes to get their girl in. If you question any of it you're an evil racist.
That's Never Been Proven:
https://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local/judge-orders-new-bridgeport-mayoral-primary-after-surveillance-videos-show-possible-ballot-stuffing/3138308/
Ever:
https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/search?combine=penny+hubbard&state=MO&year=&case_type=All&fraud_type=All
Starting with the false premise that crime generally is on the rise, Republicans blame Democrats for allowing it to happen. "Under Joe Biden, the rule of law has disintegrated," Sen. Eric Schmitt (R–Mo.) averred at the Republican convention. "Crime is rampant. Our communities are under siege."
Guess who I'm voting for again?
This has been a terrible take, Jacob. Can we stick to (actual) police abuses, weed, and 2A issues?
Jacob didn't bring up the issue. Trump did. I guess lying is okay if you are a Republican.
"If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor", asshole.
I'm sure he likes his doctor's asshole.
Crime won’t show up in statistics if it isn’t charged in the first place.
Wrong. Crime statistics are of crimes known to police -- regardless of whether charges are filed.
Wrong. If you decriminalize shoplifting below a threshold, it is no longer a crime, regardless of lefty ignoramuses claims, lefty ignoramus.
You can trust the government to accurately report on its failures.
The spectacular drop in homicides is a success.
Who is actually running the government?
It isn't Joe Biden.
And it isn't Kamala Harris.
So who are the people actually making the decisions?
Don't ask, don't tell.
"These people don't have names."—C.G.B. Spender
Biden is still the President and making the important decisions.
It's pretty clear he is incapable of deciding which flavor ice cream he wants.
How convenient.
When the statistics don't support your team, invent a narrative that permits you to ignore the statistics.
That way, "your truth" can prevail in your socially constructed reality.
It would be like a creep like you to tell a victim of crime to just read the statistics.
I don't understand this criticism. Jeff is rightly pointing out that some here are rejecting the statistics showing crime is down because it doesn't fit thier belief or preference of reality. He never claims crime is nonexistent nor that lower rates should comfort victims.
Unless he did elsewhere?
He actually defended gang rape.
I actually read those comments.
He’s also defended school personnel grooming children, allowing known child rapists free movement into the US, and claims child sex trafficking doesn’t exist.
Jeffy loves violent crime. Especially when it involves the rape and sexual torture of children.
I would be comfortable defending gang rape of Jeffy.
I would feel sorry for the perps. God knows what they might catch.
Since when did Trumpian narratives require actual evidence to back them up? His defenders know what they feel, and what they feel is true. Any facts that contradict the narrative are leftist, and anyone who promotes them is a leftist. Facts are leftist. True believers listen to their feelings.
You and Jeff have been given the non manipulated data. But you prefer manipulated propaganda.
Trump and his MAGA Cult believe in alternative reality.
FOAD, asshole.
Because the statistics are made up.
The FBI said half of major cities don’t even report to them.
Citizens no longer report property crimes that won’t go punished
Now GFY and Jeffy and Sarc too
Never let facts get in the way of feelings. Good job.
If you had any inkling for intellectual curiosity you wouldn't look like such a moron. The stories are legion of non police response and DAs dropping charges for no reason.
Yet you go look at actual data like costs from shoplifting and costs are way up. Businesses gave an interest to list losses from crime. The police and DA you and Jeff cite have an interest to bury crime.
You and Jeff are ignorant leftists though.
He hates Trump. He hates cops. So of course he’s all in for the Democrat ‘crime is down’ narrative. Even when the slightest bit of scrutiny proves that isn’t true.
And Jeffy is just a global Marxist who favors open borders and pedophile friendly policies.
When the people that can’t tell the difference between male and female talk about facts…
Because the statistics are made up.
Are you saying the statistics are incomplete and imperfect or are made up out of whole cloth?
Now GFY and Jeffy and Sarc too
Ahh, out of facts, I see.
You really shouldn’t hitch your wagon to ignorant leftists. You gave plenty of links above including Reasom who at one time reported the data just above.
https://www.themarshallproject.org/2023/07/13/fbi-crime-rates-data-gap-nibrs
https://www.nssf.org/articles/america-has-a-crime-reporting-problem/
But continue with the propaganda.
My wagon is unhitched.
I understand the data is imperfect. So what data is trump using to say crime is increasing?
But continue with the propaganda.
What propaganda?
So what data is trump using to say crime is increasing?
The same data he used to say the election was stolen.
You are so bad at this. No wonder you’re humiliated here multiple times daily.
The truest data is the ones related to reports for insurers if looking at theft. Retail theft is at records at 127B a year in losses.
Home/property insurance is best to look at for property theft. Claims are way up, yes you can find the stories.
Car theft is up, can look at car insurer data.
Assaults get murky as many dont go to the hospital for simple assaults, but police have an interest to not file charges and won't if they can't fine the criminal. Making the data one of the worse sets to use.
Try talking to any retailer.
I am very very close to the head of inventory accounting for a major retailer, and theft is thru the roof. More than twice what it was just a few years ago. Industry-wide.
You can even just look at the Lefty-scrubbed wiki page on Prop 47 for an idea.
Perhaps it is specific to your location?
City-level data collected by the Council on Criminal Justice also undercuts the idea of a national surge in the specific crime of shoplifting. In a November 2023 report, the council found that the average shoplifting rate across a group of 24 cities had declined over the past few years, dropping from around 45 to 40 offenses per 100,000 people in the period between January 2019 and June 2023. At the same time, the council’s data showed significant spikes in some cities.
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/myth-vs-reality-trends-retail-theft
Don't a lot of cities not prosecute shoplifting now if it's under $1000 per occurrence? Wouldn't that cast doubt on the studies showing shoplifting crime going down? I know in CA retailers don't even bother calling the police for shoplifters as the police would tell them they can't charge.
Yes. Very good point. An implied assumption is that the percent of reported crimes are similar for each time period. If any location changed suddenly it would skew the data. Since retailers are unlikely to coordinate such a change, it would have to be due to a change in police policy and therefore be geographically dependent.
On the other hand, the 2023 Retail Security Survey looks at shoplifting losses (they refer to as a shrink rate) based on the retailer surveys as opposed to reported crime and shows a similar result, i.e. no major increase or decrease in the past few years.
On average, retailers reported inventory shrink of 1.6%, which is slightly up from last year and in line with shrink rates in 2019 and 2020
Incomplete data can still show trends. Problem is that the trends conflict with the narrative. That means the data is leftist and anyone who uses it is leftist.
The alternative would be to say Trump is wrong, and that's double-plus leftist.
It's not just a narrative, it's in conflict with other stats. Are you aware there's also the National Crime Victimization Survey? It's another method used to estimate the crime, by not relying on direct reporting from departments to the FBI, but by polling to ask people if they've been victims of crime.
The last year for which data is available for the NCVS is 2022. The FBI's crime statistics says that violent crime went down 4% in 2022, compared to 2021. The NCVS says violent crime increased 42%.
There's a substantial amount of crime that goes unreported, for various reasons. The NCVS is hardly a perfect method for trying to capture it, but it does attempt to represent data that isn't being captured in the statistics of reported crime. When you at least compare it against itself on an annual basis, it can give a bit of an idea of trends. Or at least it can raise questions if there's conflicting data.
Another good source of data.
We see the same government manipulation with the unemployment data where feds report everything is great but the household data says different as both metrics have diverged under Biden.
The last year for which data is available for the NCVS is 2022. The FBI’s crime statistics says that violent crime went down 4% in 2022, compared to 2021. The NCVS says violent crime increased 42%.
Yes, in 2022 it spiked back up to it's 2018 level after record lows in 2020 and 2021, but remained within statistical error of where it has been for the past 15 years.
https://bjs.ojp.gov/document/cv22_sum.pdf
Do you understand that many jurisdiction no longe report crime data to the FBI, and that the FBI altered how they interpret the data they do receive?
Yes
I wouldn't trust anything the FBLie says. I wouldn't trust them for a weather report or baseball scores.
Another corrupt evil and dangerous self serving government beauracracy.
The statistic being used to say that crime is going down is "made up" if it's using incomplete data, yes. Absolutely. Because if it's incomplete, it's utterly useless for determining whether crime is rising or falling. Since it's useless in that capacity, it means you're making shit up when you use it to substantiate your claim.
<The statistic being used to say that crime is going down is “made up” if it’s using incomplete data, yes.
I disagree. We almost never have complete data sets. Almost everything we know is based on a representative sample group to represent the entire population. It's the basis of statistics. It's not perfect, but it's better than nothing or a gut feeling.
What are you going to trust? Leftist facts, or how Trump makes you feel?
Sarc proves he doesn't bother reading any comments that disagree with his world view or his propaganda.
You appear to have done both Drunky.
Define "incomplete."
In this context it means not all cities report data to the FBI.
That means that trends can be observed in the cities that did report data, and it looks like most if not all have observed a drop in crime.
The Trump defenders are arguing that the unreported data outweighs the reported data, and proves that anything observed is wrong.
So, as usual, they claim that a lack of evidence is proof that what they feel is the truth.
Stop being an emoting mind and act like your handle.
This could be one of the dumbest posts and projections ever written on this site.
He will never let it go. He hates Trump far too much to ever be capable of rational thought. His severe alcohol abuse isn’t helping either.
And the other half publish their statistics on the internet. Often they even provide maps of where the crimes take place.
Here is the link to New York City's stats:
https://compstat.nypdonline.org/
And to Philadelphia's:
https://www.phillypolice.com/crimestats/
And to Baltimore's:
https://arcgisportal.baltimorepolice.org/publiccrimemap/
It used to be that only the nutty far left would accuse police of such flagrant dishonesty but now MAGA hates law enforcement as well.
Most police departments are doing this today.
Because we don't blindly push propaganda and look at the source of statistics which Reason itself did just a year ago, posted above.
So yes, you and Jeff are pushing propaganda largely led to what police departments choose to report or what DAs choose to charge.
The problem is your statistics isn't regarding crime, your statistics are reported crime. They are two different buckets.
Do I really need to link you to the stories of Soros DAs declining charging?
The problem is your statistics isn’t regarding crime, your statistics are reported crime. They are two different buckets.
Indeed, they are 2 different, but highly correlated buckets.
The Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) also tracks crime statistics “by fielding a large annual survey of Americans ages 12 and older and asking them whether they were the victim of certain types of crime in the past six months. One advantage of this approach is that it captures both reported and unreported crimes." BJS finds the same trend as the FBI, decreasing crime, even property crime. Auto theft seems to be the major exception though.
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/04/24/what-the-data-says-about-crime-in-the-us/
Thanks for the link. It is a good report but seems to raises additional questions.
80.9% of vehicle thefts are reported. How is this not close to 100%. Either the vehicle has no value or it is already in an illegal situation. And that is the most commonly reported property crime.
There was no major differences in violent crime victimization rates between White, Black, or Hispanic in the BJS survey. This is so clearly and obviously wrong it is hard to take much of the rest of the argument seriously.
I also have a hard time squaring that only 25% of violent incidents are perpetrated by Black Americans as that as so clearly divergent from actual arrests and prosecutions. I am starting to get the feeling this BJS survey is young people complaining that they were misgendered by some white dude.
It is also laughable to show a minor drop in major crimes after a massive increase as being a credit to the D administration. We also saw D leaders leading the charge for decriminalization and reparations through looting. The idea that Trump is both accountable for the increase in crime and is wrong in saying that crimes have increased is laughable and intentionally dishonest. You would have be equally stupid and dishonest to watch the woke rewrite of shoplifting crimes and social media crimes to suggest that in many blue cities there isn't a problem with retail theft. You would have to be equally blind to not pay attention to the mostly peaceful demonstrations and the large increases in homicide after the many protests for unfortunate black martyrs in the past few years.
The idea that Trump is both accountable for the increase in crime and is wrong in saying that crimes have increased is laughable and intentionally dishonest.
That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying I don't think Trump nor Biden had any effect on crime up or down. We're just looking at societal trends and trying to make political claims with the variation of statistical noise.
Wrong, the statistics are crimes known to police. For homicides, all get known to police.
I don’t understand this criticism. Jeff is rightly pointing out that some here are rejecting the statistics showing crime is down because it doesn’t fit thier belief or preference of reality
Except no one is doing that.
What they ARE doing is providing examples of the ways in which the statistics are being manipulated.
Undercharging
Not charging
Redefining crimes
Penalizing reporting crimes
among other actions.
The statistics can be trusted to show what the statistics are counting. What cannot be trusted is for the media to report both the statistic and what it is counting accurately.
Seems like 2 ways to say the same thing to me.
Wrong. There is no manipulation. Police crime stats have nothing to do with charges.
It is interesting that the very same crime statistics were weaponized by the right wingers 30 to 50 years ago to terrify Americans into voting Republican. Now that they don't fit the narrative the right wingers are scrambling to discredit law enforcement.
chemjeff, you got one part....there is a 'constructed reality' being built around St Heels Up.
Jeff, even you know that 2020 was a pandemic-response and BLM riot caused crime wave, having nothing to do with Trump or his actions, and it continued to get worse when Biden came into office because tens of millions of illegals entered the US (a crime in itself), some of whom committed crimes.
You are as disingenuous as Sullum.
The pandemic response was botched due to Donald Trump.
The illegals became legals as soon as they apply for asylum. And Trump himself broke the law, forcing them to enter the US illegally, by refusing to accept their asylum applications at ports of entry. An asylum visa is a guaranteed entitlement. You don't have to like that law, but that IS the law.
No it's not. There is no guarantee of asylum.
Lies, damned lies, and statistics.
Lol. I’m sure you could find an article somewhere claiming that homelessness is down too if you looked hard enough.
We’ve been told by 90% of the media and 100% of dem politicians that sleepy joe is “sharp as a tack, goodest joe ever behind closed doors!”, like fucking recently.
But yeah, no, they would never manipulate crime data. Idiot.
When we have had countless articles about how much crime is up for the past 4 years, including objective measures like store and entire chains closing due to crime issues (indicating its up in total and not just publication), to claim suddenly that crime is down significantly is shocking.
The fact that it's incredibly politically convenient for the party in power, and that the statistics are compiled by media organizations and government agencies that have been shown unquestionably in the past few years to be incredibly partisan.
Sooner or later, you stop listening the cries of "Wolf".
The crime statistics are compiled by local police agencies. Are you say that the police have turned Democratic?
They are compiled by the Biden DOJ, which has shown to be incredibly partisan through their disparate handling of our recent presidents. Due to these actions, I cannot trust them explicitly and need confirmation, especially when this contradicts other data.
We also have had an explicit reduction in enforcement in areas, which leads to a reduction in reported crime. Again, I am relying on explicit recorded statements by people saying that they don't bother to report crime since there's no point.
I'm willing to consider that we are looking at a publication effect. But the rise of store closures explicitly caused by crime provide evidence that is not the case.
Yes. Crime happens under blue jurisdictions. Even the "red state crime wave" happens in blue cities. The police administration in NYC, St Louis or Dallas are Democrats. Dallas is interesting because their mayor is not a committed communist. Kinda slow. He recently caught on to the evil his party represents and switched to the other major choice. Most crime happens in big cities. They have been run by Democrats for decades.
So no need for stricter gun control laws, then?
They want information control laws too. To prevent the kind of dissent we’re engaging in here.
Trying to Gaslight the Readership, Sullum Falsely Claims that 'President Trump is Wrong about Rising Violence'
How predictable. On the one side, statistics. On the other side, Trump claims – so all the good little authoritarians deem the statistics to be wrong, because feelz and the Beloved Leader is by definition right.
Hey shrike, the statistics have been reported bad for years. But you retarded leftists love bad statistics for propaganda.
Just initially thinking would stop you retards from being retarded. Does every crime get reported to the police? Do the police have an incentive to not report crimes? Do DAs decline charging? Do police reports report properly to groups pushing the propaganda?
Still not shrike, you fucking liar. Nor am I a leftist - but you know that.
the statistics have been reported bad for years.
If statistics consistently under-report crime, that applies across the series. So if the stats show a decline, the actual numbers may be wrong but the decline will nonetheless be real.
Of course you could be one of those conspiratorial loons who will claim that the stats are only under-reported when it suits or favours the Democrats. IT's the kind of cretinous argument you'd be quite happy making.
When the numbers support his narrative then they are undeniable, and anything that conflicts with them are lies.
When the numbers conflict with his narrative then they are lies, and anything that conflicts with them is undeniable.
When a story or article is critical of Trump, Sarc believes it wholeheartedly and enthusiastically cheers it on.
When a story or article is positive of Trump, Sarc is the most skeptical and discerning person on the planet.
But he totally does not have a "team."
Sarc, is it or is it not true that less police departments are reporting to the FBI?
Lol. You two idiots don’t think that in the wake of the summer of love that depolicing, underreporting, and unwillingness to prosecute isn’t happening?
I guess all those videos of retail theft and the stores closing up isn’t happening either? As long as they keep it under $900 I guess it’s not a crime anymore. That’s kind of a recent thing, doncha think?
You gullible rubes will believe anything. Sleepy joe is as sharp as ever! Haha.
Still should be delighted at the confusion; his posts make more sense, asshole.
Shrike, stop lying about not being Shrike. And stop lying about how the crime statistics aren’t rigged.
The Deal Leader of MAGA loves the Dear Leader of Juche.
Why can't leftists admit they are leftists? Lying isn't what they do. It's who they are.
Facts are leftist. If you want to know what crime is really like, listen to Trump. But most importantly, trust your feelings.
Hey retard, you aren't pushing facts. God damn you retards are dumb. Youre reporting what police and political entities choose to report. How fucking dumb are you?
How fucking dumb are you?
Sarc and tardjeff take that as a challenge to prove that they can be dumber.
Publishing an article based on questionable data makes me question my Reason subscription.
https://highergroundtimes.com/news/2024/jun/24/liberals-statistics-on-falling-violent-crime-rates/?utm_campaign=twt_app&utm_medium=twt_app_link&utm_source=twt_app
But if you add in all of those cases of illegal immigrant cannibalism, what happens to the crime rate then?
"But if you add in all of those cases of illegal immigrant"
Yes.
"cannibalism"
No.
Remember when you posted a bunch of stories about crime against LBQRSTUVWXYZ people, and accidentally established a pattern of those crimes being committed by migrants?
As a result of that embarrassing episode, I think chemjeff should call himself racist for doing so, as that is the standard he applies to others. He was so eager to imply others were homo/trans-phobic, he hoisted himself on his own petard hilariously.
Collectivist jeff complains about allegedly made up stuff by making stuff up. No self-awareness.
I am in favor of illegal aliens killing and eating each other.
In addition to the claims of crime is the "immigrant crime wave" that is not really happening because the fact is that immigrant commit less crime than the natives.
Yeah, but immigrants are foreign and brown and so are by definition criminals according to the bargain-basement Walter Sobchaks who infest this forum.
Shriek, you’re the most racist poster of all. Which is part of what makes you such a typical democrat.
"Immigrants don't report crimes for fear of being deported"
Liar/stupid Leftist says: Immigrants commit less crime!
Criminality, like politics, is both cultural and genetic. That's why immigrants are all leftist criminals. Especially the non-white ones. It's in their blood. Ask any Trump defender and they'll tell you it's true, while vehemently denying that the premises of their arguments are racist.
Strawman is made of straw. Film at 11.
No faggot, we’re not talking about immigrants, we’re talking about illegals. So stop with that bullshit. We already know that you’re a liar.
Trump calls it a migrant crime wave and that broad definition includes both documented and undocumented people. And the fact is there is no such crime wave other than in Donald Trump imagination.
Stop with the bullshit of falsely calling them illegals. They are here legally applying for asylum. YOU are the liar.
There are no claims about an “immigrant crime wave”.
There are facts about the illegal alien crime wave.
Well then enlighten us about such a crime wave?
See the NY Post, pretty much every day.
Sure, those reports are anecdotal, but they're not good news. Any violent crime perpetrated by someone who should have been turned away at the border is one too many.
The New York Post has long sensationalized every crime in order to sell more copies of the money losing tabloid newspaper. Fortunately it has Rupert Murdoch who will keep it running no matter how few advertisements it gets, just in order to terrorize people.
most stores don't even report theft anymore or even worse they fire the employees who do report theft so the rest quit reporting and of course many stores closing due to theft is also just ignored in these statistics.
Or the stores have been closed because they were losing money due to all the thefts in the past few years.
Stores are closing because of Amazon and other internet competition -- and because of bad management. Remember Sears? This has been a trend for quite some time.
Sullum is a slimy pile of TDS-addled lying shit, ain't he?
Rapes are up 11% in New York City which also happens to be a destination of choice for illegal aliens. Tell us once again that crime isn't rising, Jacob.
https://nypost.com/2024/07/20/us-news/rape-surges-11-in-nyc/
With Kamala’s background as an aggressive DA, perhaps Team Blue and their friends in the media should quit lying about out of control crime in US major cities. Perhaps they should frame Harris as the ideal candidate to “clean up the mess Trump left the Biden Administration”, or some such spin.
The pivot may piss off the “criminal justice reform” dupes like at Reason, but they’ll get over it when they realize what a winning strategy it could be for their preferred candidate.
WTF, the DNC really needs to get their shit together with their talking points if they want to win this election. Get on it, hammerheads.
From the information I’ve seen lately, I don’t think the democrats want anyone looking too closely at Harris’ prosecutions. She was an extremely sleazy prosecutor.
So far Harris seems intent on reminding people she’s a prosecutor and Trump is a felon, so she’s the one to lock him up or defeat him or some such.
But reminding people of her prosecutor days might not be the best tactic, given the Democrats' voter base. I guess she doesn’t have many other accomplishments to point to, besides voting in lockstep with the D party as a Senator, and shirking her few assigned duties as VP.
"Thanks to Texas Gov. Greg Abbott's busing program, cities such as Philadelphia, Chicago, Denver, New York, and Los Angeles have seen large influxes of migrants. Their crime rates nevertheless have declined."
IDK where you pull this crap from Sullum, but Philadelphia's crime rate has increased in most categories. The semantics and rhetoric around crime are ridiculous. Did the murder rate fall from 2022 to 2023? It did, but it's still higher than it was in the previous decade. Lowest number was 246 in 2013, highest number was 562 in 2021. It was 410 last year. It was always in the 250-350 range during the 2010s. Zero relationship to the President since it was relatively low under both Obama and Trump.
Property crime is violent, pundits be damned. It was up in all categories under the prior Kenney admin. Assault, theft of motor vehicle, robbery, etc.
New mayor, Cherelle Parker, isn't dumb enough to let trends continue. She's been tougher on crime. Retail theft is still through the roof, but most other measures of crime are down this year compared to last.
In summary: at a time when crime rates were falling nationally, Philadelphia's rates increased across all categories. These increases coincided with generally "soft on crime" approaches and more radical DAs. We still have said DA, Larry Krasner, but a better mayor. She has taken a tougher approach and like magic, rates are falling.
Liars, damned liars and statisticians. Also might not want to comment on areas where you don't live, especially considering many of us do live there and would know the local reality. We all know you're terminal TDS.
So the Trump organization's criminal property crime was violent!
Okay, I will comment on New York City since I live here.
There is not a single block in the entire city of over eight million people that I would not walk down any hour of the day or night. It didn't use to be that way.
We have a bad car theft problem, fed by organized crime. The big target isn't the cars themselves but the catalytic converters.
There is a shoplifting problem but that is not why retail stores are closing. Retail stores are closing because of competition from the internet and confiscatory rents charged by greedy landlords. It is possible that NYC might enact rent control for commercial property in the future.
The other big problem is fare evasion in the transit system -- subways and buses. It isn't quite so bad as the estimates of fare loss because a lot of the people who aren't swiping their Metrocards are students who would ride for free anyway, and at a lot of crowded transfer stops a lot of the people who aren't swiping are transferring and the system allows free transfers. The buses in particular are so crowded that bus operators don't even bother trying to get people to enter at the front of the bus to swipe and the transit system hasn't turned on the fair collection machinery that exists at the rear door of most buses.
And it is nice to live in a city where open carry is illegal. Trump had an outdoor rally in NYC recently and had Crooks been seen with his AR-15, NYPD would have shot him on sight.
“…Trump Falsely Claims Crime Is Rising.”
Obviously Sullum hasn’t been to Chicago and other democrat-run hell holes lately, and if that isn’t bad enough, why would he trust Biden’s FBI stats?
The stats are by local police departments. The FBI summaries are a year behind.
Sullum is a regime cuck masquerading as someone with moderate sensibilities. What cities are not reporting you blithering idiot? The ones with all the crime.
Well one reason crime is “down” in San Francisco is that there are a lot fewer stores to rob now.
"Falsely" is a strong word in this context. "Rising" doesn't necessarily mean "reported crimes in 2023 were higher than reported crimes in 2022" or "reported crimes in 2024 are higher than reported crimes in 2023." The statistics themselves are subject to (intentional) reporting errors, since many crimes go untracked now.
And even if technically true, "rising" could be a general trend, from say 2019 to now. Since crime peaked in 2020 with the lockdowns and the stimulus checks and the mostly peaceful protests, a small drop after that year from hell is hardly cause to declare victory over crime.
We don't have accurate crime data, because some cities don't report them to the feds. Sullum might not have a point that he thinks had.
Crime declined dramatically in part due to anti gang police units that cracked down on urban violence. An improving economy was a also factor.
That's worth mentioning because the public's current perception of crime, right or wrong, owes to the crisis of confidence. We JUST experienced a botched assassination attempt where the SS was nearly thwarted by a pimply teen on a sloped roof. Millions of unverified foreigners have entered the nation, who were released unchecked by police and border patrol. Thousands of retail stores were closed partially due to rampant theft. A store employee at the 99 cent store told the press that there were a dozen theft every single day. Do you believe every single incident was reported to the police?
You know those homeless tent cities? Those are crimes, technically. The police can't able to keep track of them. They admit to just ignoring certain crimes in the post Floyd era. What other nation has sent the national guard to safeguard the subways and have seen trains and airplanes crash or fall apart before their eyes? Us, and... not many else.
Statistically, we're safe. You'd be even safer in some white ass state or non diverse cities like Tokyo. But just as SS and medicare can't go on borrowed money forever, a nation without a border and common sense will eventually fall into anarchy. We're in semi anarchy now. You can't tell people to relax.
'We don’t have accurate crime data, because some cities don’t report them to the feds"
They report them on the internet.
"Sullum might not have a point that he thinks had."
He does. His data come not from the FBI but from local police departments.
"We JUST experienced a botched assassination attempt where the SS was nearly thwarted by a pimply teen on a sloped roof."
Who had the right to be there with his AR-15. Open Carry is legal everywhere in Pennsylvania outside of Philadelphia.
"You know those homeless tent cities?"
We don't have them in New York City. The only tents are in some National Park Service campgrounds.
"What other nation has sent the national guard to safeguard the subways "
Not the US. I ride the NYC transit system almost every day and I talk to the NG personnel. They have no law enforcement authority. They are there for show. A big waste of money.
"a nation without a border and common sense"
There IS a border. Anyone crossing illegally gets arrested. Many of the migrants are now applying for asylum at ports of entry. Biden and the Senate Republicans realized that the illegal border crossings are indeed a problem and cut a deal to change the law to fast track many of the asylum cases that would never be approved, and to limit the numbers. Trump realized that this would be a catastrophe for his campaign because it would actually address the problems and so he ordered his compliant sheep, I mean Republicans in Congress, to kill the deal so that MAGA can whine about the lack of border security. Oh and the Republicans in Congress tried to cut the funding for Homeland Security too.
"We’re in semi anarchy now"
Well given that one political party has nominated a 34x convicted felon for President, you are probably correct.
"He does. His data come not from the FBI but from local police departments."
No he doesn't, and obviously reports from local police departments do not constitute a national trend.
https://kansasreflector.com/2023/10/29/politicians-love-to-cite-crime-data-its-often-wrong/#:~:text=For%20the%20first%20time%20in%20two%20decades%2C%20the%20national%20law,contributed%20to%20lower%20reporting%20rates.
"Who had the right to be there with his AR-15."
He had no right to be on top of property he didn't own, AR-15 or not. That shed should have been off limits to the public if Secret Service did its job. Do you not get internet in your part of town?
"We don’t have them in New York City."
https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=cbaea3c11033e6c6&q=homeless+encampment+NYC&udm=2&fbs=AEQNm0Aa4sjWe7Rqy32pFwRj0UkWd8nbOJfsBGGB5IQQO6L3J5MIFhvnvU242yFxzEEp3BfblMs7eBu5zPnhtGsrETMyuzSmsifsFWBIvKv0tg5dE5-iJqFS-SLcCcFW2mX5y8azf1yIXyjYXTzFyka5YXIgmP4V8yaxRfvK-ckL4O12XCWZj2iG0fa-00mk7fIKgLnMzx39Mj_9p2WPM7xWPDVrtNB29g&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjE_cKoq8GHAxWPL0QIHX2pCjQQtKgLegQIEhAB&biw=1366&bih=641&dpr=1
If your anecdote about NG in NYC is true, then I guess you wouldn't mind Kathy Houchul being put under the microscope for wasting the national guard resources for nothing.
"There IS a border. Anyone crossing illegally gets arrested."
Catch and release. Google the term. Google the murder of Laken Riley. Biden introduced NO deal that would meaningfully stop migration long term. The border deal would allow a temporary limit to crossing if it reached a certain threshold, which would sunset after 3 years.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/06/politics/border-security-bill-senate-explained-cec/index.html
3 million people got in, so yeah, we had no border for the last few years. Do you think 3 million people could try to sneak into Japan?
"Well given that one political party has nominated a 34x convicted felon for President, you are probably correct."
Yeah, convicted of a federal election crime that he was never formally charged with, which emanated from a state misclassification case that occurred in 2017, after the election. We were in chaos even before his "conviction", so your dunk attempt is a fail regardless.
Since Californians passed Prop. 47, looting stores for $950 or less of goods is not a crime but a misdemeanor. Hence stores in that Marxist state are leaving in droves.
Contractors working in Oakland, Ca. refuse to go out and work, repairing the road surfaces for fear of violence against them. Traffic signals and the wiring connecting them are stolen so often , the city no longer uses them and instead replaced them with stop signs.
In one night, in Chicago, three KFC restaurants closed because of the crime. Walmarts, Walgreens and RiteAids have shuttered around the city .
Entire city blocks in San Francisco are devoid of any businesses causing property values to plummet and building owners to lose money and soon the foreclosures will skyrocket. It is so bad that the Mayor, her majesty London breed warned businesses they have to give a six month warning before closure.
Chicago continues its way to another non demonized homicide record:
Year to Date
Shot and killed:304
Shot and wounded: 1421
Total Shot: 1725
Total Homicides: 346
Stats courtesy Hey JackAss/Illustrating Chicago Values
Remember, don't demonize.
looting stores for $950 or less of goods is not a crime but a misdemeanor
I believe you meant, "is not a felony". A misdemeanor is still a crime.
But if the prosecutors won’t prosecute the misdemeanor of stealing ONLY $900, it’s de facto not a crime, whether it’s on the books as a misdemeanor or not.
Correct. I should have stated" is not a felony" but a misdemeanor.
However, how many are actually charged with the misdemeanor?
Especially when there are 90 people involved.
It's still a criminal act.
" looting stores for $950 or less of goods is not a crime but a misdemeanor."
Misdemeanors are crimes. In Texas, looting stores for $2,499 or less is a misdemeanor. Texas is soft on property crime.
"Chicago continues its way to another non demonized homicide record:"
Yet another MAGA lie.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/2024/07/22/chicago-homicides-in-2024-5-people-slain-heres-how-that-compares-with-previous-years/
Misdemeanors don’t count as violent crimes. Prog DAs don’t often go after the perpetrators. Why do you think SF recalled its Boudin?
Sorry Jacob Sullum, but statistics can be easily manipulated. There is definitely more where I live than 4 years ago. The prices of goods in grocery stores are definitely higher where I live than 4 years ago.
The perception of the public is that there is more crime and prices are higher, but statisticians can and will twist the numbers to claim that everything is better than before.
I'm not a fan of Trump and will not be voting for him, but claiming that he is lying is an opinion not a fact. Trump does not lie anymore than the average politician, but is called out more often and has his claims taken out of context and purposely distorted frequently.
The reality is that Trump was a mediocre president, probably should never have been president, but Hillary would have been worse and Biden is an unmitigated disaster. Trump with all his flaws is far better than Kamala Harris. Trump is a "Turd", but still preferable to Harris.
I have not decided if I will vote for RFK Jr or Chase, but leaning towards RFK Jr as Chase has some seriously wrong positions that are disturbing. The difficulties is that Chase is closer to many of my positions than RFK Jr, but profoundly wrong an a few key issues.
I am a statistician. (Really.) The numbers are not manipulated. Trump is definitely lying about crime rates. He doesn't want to deal with the fact that crime skyrocketed in the last year he was in office.
Biden a disaster?
Lowest continued peacetime unemployment.
All time highest oil production for any country ever,
All time highest natural gas production for any country ever,
Record high stock market.
Continued declines in homicides in most cities.
COVID contained.
Aid to Ukraine.
Aid to Israel.
Aid to Taiwan.
Funding for desperately needed infrastructure.
Can we have four more years of such disaster!
“Lowest continued peacetime unemployment.”
People dropping out of the workforce, people who lost their jobs in the pandemic regaining jobs, etc. Not net gains.
“All time highest oil production for any country ever”
He barely outproduced Trump when demand was highest, and he kept on raiding the reserve to win points.
“Record high stock market.”
Has nothing to do with Biden even if true, and is not a gauge of a economic health regardless.
“Continued declines in homicides in most cities.”
Again has nothing to do with him, and owes partially to the dems abandoning “defund the police” experiment.
“COVID contained”
snickers
“Aid to Ukraine.
Aid to Israel.
Aid to Taiwan.”
He only owns Ukraine. And he held up aid to Israeli approved by congress.
“Funding for desperately needed infrastructure.”
Few are desperately needed, and massive construction boondoggle rarely stimulate the economy or reduce inflation.
You’re like that 1% of democrat voters who think senile Biden deserve another term. Most of your buddies have moved onto Kamala. They couldn’t deceive themselves any longer. Most Americans don’t share your delusion.
The only reason things haven’t completely fallen apart is that investment t is being fueled by government grants using money we don’t have, which greatly fuels inflation.
In any event, Charlie is a moronic, ignorant shill.
Someone's been watching too much CNN and PMSNBC.
If oil production is so high why are gasoline prices so high? At one point there wasn't enough diesel available and truckers were left stranded. Gasoline prices are the highest they've ever been with gas prices above 4.00/ gal here in Michigan. I suppose you believe that's okay as it will stop people from driving their cars because of globull warming.
Stocks are declining everywhere and investments are tanking. Businesses across the country are shutting down, especially in cities where crime is now legal. Property values related to office and retail spaces are plummeting some as low as only 2% of what they were.
America's cities are crime infested to the point where businesses are leaving in droves as well as those citizens who can, are also moving out.
States such as California and Illinois are losing a hundred thousand or more in population because those states have become intolerable to remain in.
Aid to Ukraine? Most of it is either stolen or kicked back to American arms manufacturers along with 10% for the big guy. Ukraine is considered by the E.U and the rest to be the worst, most corrupt country in Europe. The little coke sniffling midget has stolen billions by now.
By the way, Ron Paul was right; all foreign aid must come to a halt. That includes that nasty little israel.
So please continue to watch CNN and PMSNBC and remain ignorant and disinformed.
Don't forget to vote for the Ho.
When crime is being tabulated are the illegal immigrants being included? They are committing a crime every day they remain in the country illegally so to exclude them from the crime statistics seems disingenuous, if they are being excluded.
Watching ole Joe give his speech last night, well not much of it, anyway his eyes were so dilated from all the Adderall and speed they pumped into him, he probably crashed like a 737 MAX 8 afterwards. Not only that , he didn't blink once. Stood there like a zombie.
I wonder what Putin is thinking.
They really had him juiced up last night.
Or was it really Joe and not some double. At this point no one should take anything they see on TV as real.
Crime is down.
Inflation is not a problem.
The Border is under control.
Real wages are up.
Biden is sharp as a tack.
Kamala is intelligent.
And from illegals. Sarc, and Jeffy too. But not Shrike. No, he needs to suffer horribly at the hands of a prospective victim, or maybe their families.
Stupider than Pedo Jeffy?
They keep him because he writes what they want. Reason has turned into one of the propaganda arms of the Democrat Party.