Biden Blames the Elites
Plus: GOP platform changes, Russia destroys children's hospital, Mayor Eric Adams invents garbage cans, and more...

President Joe Biden tries new approach: For his latest excuse regarding his cognitive decline and subsequent refusal to step down, President Joe Biden is attempting to portray himself as an embattled outsider who has earned the scorn of Democratic Party elites.
"I'm getting so frustrated by the elites," the sitting president, who has been in politics for 52 years, said on MSNBC. He clarified that he wasn't referring to the hosts but "the elites in the party who, they know so much more," he added, emphasizing the last few words in a mocking tone.
"I don't care what the millionaires think," he added. (He had a fundraising Zoom call with that precise demographic later in the day, of course.)
"All the data shows that the average Democrat out there who voted…for me still want me to be the nominee," said Biden. Polling does not corroborate this.
A post-debate CBS/YouGov poll found that 72 percent of registered voters believe that Biden has insufficient mental and cognitive health to serve as president. Another poll, conducted last week by The New York Times/Siena found that "74 percent of voters view Mr. Biden as too old for the job, an uptick since the debate."
Biden is now "counting on the support of African-American Democrats and his union allies as his last line of defense," reports Politico. "It's a playbook Biden has turned to in the past, portraying his detractors as mostly elite white liberals who are out of step with the more diverse and working-class grassroots of the party."
Meanwhile, some members of the Congressional Black Caucus are claiming on CNN that calls for the president, who is 81 and would be serving another term until the age of 85, to drop out are "more around ageism and ableism, and not what President Biden has done….This president is fit and prepared to continue to serve. He's civil and he's experienced." Are there no adults in the room within the Democratic Party who are prepared to help Biden face reality?
Change of platform: The committee that decides on the platform of the Republican Party has voted 84–18 in support of a major update that considerably softens the party's stance on abortion, bringing it more in line with former President Donald Trump's views.
The older platform, most recently updated in 2016, supported a federal ban on abortion after 20 weeks and contained lines such as "the unborn child has a fundamental right to life which cannot be infringed." It mentioned abortion 35 times. The new platform does not mention any sort of federal abortion ban, saying instead that the party opposes late-term abortions and supports birth control and in vitro fertilization access. It says the word abortion once.
The platform also supports tougher immigration policy, economic protectionism, and moderating on a whole slew of social issues, even signaling acceptance of gay marriage. It gives minimal attention to the issue of the national debt. On issues of Medicare and Social Security—which the old platform made clear Republicans rejected as the "'Third Rail' of American politics"—the new platform simply adopts Trump's stance, affirming that he will not "cut one penny" from either program.
Though the document has not yet been fully approved and adopted, it looks slated to become formalized, reflecting the degree to which the party has become synonymous with the man himself. In a sense, actually articulating beliefs is better than what the party did in 2020, which was simple abstention from releasing a platform. But these specific beliefs are a far cry from actual conservative values and priorities.
Scenes from New York: We have the strangest mayor.
New York learning about trash cans in 2024 is an insane flex. https://t.co/SBaxvoylAH
— Sonny Bunch (@SonnyBunch) July 8, 2024
QUICK HITS
- Most sensationalist headline of the week award goes to Slate.
- Might Joe Biden have Parkinson's? The Free Press' Emily Yoffe makes the case for why the American people have the right to greater transparency about the president's health.
- "I am firmly committed to staying in this race, to running this race to the end, and to beating Donald Trump," Joe Biden wrote in a letter released by his campaign, addressed to lawmakers. He spoke to donors, went on MSNBC, and attempted to spend much of Monday trying to put the issue of his cognitive fitness to rest. It remains to be seen whether the digging-the-heels-in approach will work.
- "Fuck em both 2024" sign lady, who represents how so many of us feel about the presidential election, won her free speech lawsuit.
- Russia obliterated Ukraine's largest children's hospital.
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I don't care what the millionaires think...
Billionaires or nothing.
LOL
#OBLsFirstLaw
He *meant* "billionaires". When speaking, he is often off by a factor of 1000.
"Over a billion three hundred million trillion three hundred million dollars!” Biden exclaimed.
Are you talking about his golf handicap here?
He knows that half a duplex in many cities is worth over a million.
He definitely meant millionaires.
Billionaires and the lumpenproles however, he will still pander to.
My take...he meant use poor millionaires.
Was his Dr. Evil moment.
Wasn't Dr. Jill the one that spent seven years at Evil Medical School?
If his family operation is shaking down foreign oligarchs for 5-10 million at a time, why would domestic millionaires be able to hold his attention for long? Assuming he can still focus his attention on anything for long as it is.
I'm getting so frustrated by the elites...
Suddenly.
Bernie Sanders level of hypocrisy.
Combined with Abe Simpson and Mr. Magoo.
Don't forget Jeff Dunham.
I’m getting so frustrated by the elites…”
Trying to appeal to MAGA is a bold new strategy for Joe.
One of the main acts of socialists is to pretend they don't raise themselves up at the expense of their constituents. Hugo Chavez gave billions to his daughter but Venezuela media kept that fact hidden.
The Venezuelan media is made up of people who are as disinterested in being "dissapeared" as anywhere else.
I bet every tyrant in in the world would love to ask Biden about how to get such slavish compliance from his domestic media without open threats of violent retribution.
Nobody likes a trump copycat.
Joe did try the orange tan spray.
And the tariffs on China.
After a lifetime of toadying to those elites, they want to discard him when they have no use for him, which is the fate of party hacks.
Devils always break their tools when they are no longer useful.
This would be a valuable lesson for Jeff-Shrike-Sarc if they could pay attention.
If Brandon gets sacked, he should deliver an Eisenhower-style exit speech warning how elitist billionaires have taken over his “party of the people”.
Preferably without shitting himself.
No one should expect anything of the sort from a senile, frail old liar.
Everyone deserves a shot at redemption. In my eyes, Brandon could make up for a lifetime of grift by exposing the disgusting, rich globalists in the DNC on the world stage.
“No one fucks with a Biden” indeed.
Get ‘em, Joe!
Biden thinks it's the mid 1970s?
Or the mid 1870s.
One percenter with king-like power complains about elites....
(It takes a net worth of ~6M to crack the top 1%, Biden is about double that.)
Maybe he meant cognitive elites, those who can still speak and reason and remember clearly? Perhaps Dr. Jill can start a campaign to promote sympathy for the neurodivergent and elderly?
He is frustrated by himself. So are many of the rest of us.
they know so much more
To be sure, liberal elites have the goodest minds in America.
Mostest of all they know that they are smarter than us and deserve to be in charge.
Good as minds.
Notice ABC News, NYT, etc. all fighting to backtrack on that word and replace in the transcripts.
I feel like that’s not as… good as… simply ignoring the flub and moving on. *That* would be a good-ass move, instead of drawing more attention by making his statement more perplexing.
The Ministries of Truth.
Winston Smith is alive and well at the N.Y.Times
...portraying his detractors as mostly elite white liberals who are out of step with the more diverse and working-class grassroots of the party.
His handlers, on the other hand, have a firm grasp on the pulse of the nation.
That would be the pulse you can feel in a choke hold, right?
…portraying his detractors as mostly elite white liberals who are out of step with the more diverse and working-class grassroots of the party.
Tell me this isn’t the end for FJB. I’ll give him another week, then sayonara.
...a major update that considerably softens the party's stance on abortion, bringing it more in line with former President Donald Trump's views.
They now know that babies born eventually turn into young adults and those brats vote blue.
We already had an ENB freak out about this.
https://www.businessinsider.com/gen-z-changes-political-divides-2019-7
Or maybe, just maybe, since the supreme court has ruled this is NOT a federal issue, it should not be in the platform as a federal issue?
Weird I know, but logical.
The older platform, most recently updated in 2016, supported a federal ban on abortion after 20 weeks and contained lines such as "the unborn child has a fundamental right to life which cannot be infringed." It mentioned abortion 35 times.
So, it was in-line with the rest of the world before, and is now slightly more in-line with the ghouls of the Democratic Party.
One of the few things that separates the USA from the rest of the world was Individual Rights; or should I say was (past tense).
And casual offspring murder.
Ya know like how condoms prevent the birth of offspring is murder?
Welcome to the imagination of fantasy-land creatures.
If you cannot wield your imagination into reality (i.e. ?baby? freedom)
UR just supporting Gov-Gun forced reproduction.
BAN the Condoms killing babies!!!!! /s
Certainly such a noble religion should over-ride Individual Rights; right?
Hope this helps!
https://www.britannica.com/science/fertilization-reproduction
Funny. Your “science” never did say a “fertilized egg” had an inherent right to life. That article defeats your stance. Are you imaging it did like you imagine fairy-tale creatures existing?
Lulz.
When in the process does a new version of DNA get created?
When the clump of cells is kissed by the Birth Canal Fairy and magically becomes human, it is then given its unique genetic code.
Part True. When the clump of cells exits your Fantasy-Land ?Baby?-BS Canal and actually exists as an individual in reality.
individual [noun] – existing as a distinct entity : separate.
Right there in the English Dictionary.
If you want to claim it to be an individual person it has to exist as ‘separate’ – ‘distinct entity’. Not just ‘imagine’ and LIE about it already being so. A house plan is not a house no matter how much imaginative power you throw at it.
And the only way it becomes a house is requiring someone to build the plan (i.e. Females losing Individual Rights to their very-own body and being Gov-Gun FORCED to reproduce for the State.)
Does DNA have an inherent right to life?
Are DNA samples taken out of their place by law enforcement or by cleaning legitimate basis for murder charges?
...even signaling acceptance of gay marriage.
The party has a real chance of getting the non-Pride gays to vote GOP, thanks to the Pride gays.
Which ones pay taxes?
That would be the non-Pride ones.
^THIS exactly. There is no sensible reason for anyone to demand a ‘status’ symbol from government. The gay marriage parade is nothing but gaining tax-cuts and law-entitlements in a situation that inherently isn’t capable of being the same type of relationship.
It’s just another [WE] identify-as gang trying to RULE! Precisely what the Democrat Party has done by conquered the USA and left [Na]tional So[zi]al[ism] in its tracks.
People tend to mentally pretend Germany hated Jews from the beginning. No; It was the progression of [Na]tional So[zi]al[ism] (‘Guns’ make sh*t) mentality that eventually turned the citizens against each other. The only kinds of people who think ‘Guns’ are the tool to make a living from are criminals and the end-game in that scenario is a blood-bath of who (which [WE] gang) gets the last twinkie.
“Russia obliterated Ukraine's largest children's hospital.”
They also launched a missile into Poland and we did NOTHING!
Don’t forget that undersea natural gas pipeline to Germany that Putin blew up.
Why isn’t The Ghost of Kiev stopping all this?
Samuyil Hyde has a full plate. I don't understand how Adam Kinzinger remains a serious political figure after this. I mean these are the people claiming to be smart enough to plan the whole world:
https://dw-wp-production.imgix.net/2022/02/Screen-Shot-2022-02-28-at-7.07.54-PM.png
Lol, I missed that. Perfect.
Putin is also responsible for Joe's dismal performance in the debates.
Putin also sent a hurricane to destroy America.
Putin is responsible for the high gas prices.
Putin created the Russian collusion hoax.
Putin created crack head Hunter's laptop.
PUTIN! PUTIN! PUTIN!
Trump used to be the Democrat's evil demiurge, now it's Mad Vlad.
Will the ICC issue arrest warrants?
As soon as they bring in that Israeli strike team for rescuing hostages without a permit and a 30-day notice to the UN (who would never alert the terrorists holding the hostages).
Conducting a Poll.
1. Does Biden drop out?
2. If yes, who replaces him?
3. Does Trump beat Biden/Replacement?
1. Does Biden drop out?
They'll replace him at the convention
2. If yes, who replaces him?
Newsom or Gretchen.
3. Does Trump beat Biden/Replacement?
Yes, if he makes it alive to election day, and exceeds their margin of fraud this time (which will be huge).
Trump already polls ahead of both those clowns.
As a Michigander I sure as hell ain't voting for wretched Gretchen.
Maybe the FBI will arrange for another kidnapping attempt.
Whitchmer will also bring in with her the other two nasty witches, Bensen and Nessel. Nessel being a drunken alcoholic lezbo.
The campaign ads against Newsom or Whitmer pretty much write themselves. The Dems are better off putting up a candidate with no major public record.
Doesn't matter as long as mail-in ballots are still a thing.
1. Yes, his campaign is in 2nd stage of grief - anger at elites after denying his decline with it was travel/flu excuses.
2. Newsome (not certain on this)
3. Trump wins against any Dem back bencher, unless Oprah or The Rock is #2 above.
The Queen of Cackle, I predict
(Note he previously prevailed against The Queen of Cankels in 2016)
I haven’t heard her name pop-up for this. I think she’s beyond cooked.
Saw an article headline (didn't click on it) yesterday positing who would be Kamala's running mate.
I think that's the only mention I have seen, but someone was laying groundwork.
What should Biden do?
a) stay the course
b) resign as president, allowing Harris to run as the incumbent (invoking the 25th has the same effect)
c) stay president, but resign from the campaign (brokered convention would have the same effect)
Don’t answer a question with a question.
Stay the course, Joe! Wear those elite bastards down!
He should resign immediately. He's unfit to serve as President right now, waiting for six months endangers everyone.
If he doesn't, Harris and the Cabinet should invoke the 25th Amendment, and 2/3 (really 3/3) of both houses of Congress should vote to remove him. What possible justification could they put forward that he's not endangering the nation by continuing to lead while mentally incompetent?
1. Biden does not drop out. Drop dead, maybe, but not out.
3. Trump beats Biden.
Not only does Trump beat Biden, but for a generation to come, Democrats can count on only the meanest voters, the ones who want to spite the rest of the country, in elections for national offices. The only way the Democrats can avoid that fate is for the Biden delegates to reject him, not because they think anyone they nominate this year can win, but just to show they would not deliberately saddle the administration with a demented CEO. But I think the die is cast, and this venal lot...is venal. Therefore voters will take note, and the only ones who vote Democrat from now on will see it as an instrument to say "fuck you" to the country and world. In elections at the state and local level people may see those party organizations as different...or not.
Another variation: Biden runs, and even with election fortification the results are so close that both sides contest the validity and refuse to concede. Will viral support both parties claim victory and we have at least a short period with two presidents. Now that could be fun.
And the Ds deserve nothing other. They had 4 years to build a bench. Instead we got a DEI hire and a declining old man, but the Ds figured kangaroo courts would solve the problem.
Biden will suffer either a 'mild stroke', or a 'slip and fall', and Kween Kamala will reluctantly step in under the 25th and run as the incumbent. And lose.
The issue is not the democrat candidate, it is the democrat policies.
The Democrat policies of failure, destruction and decline.
The issue is both: candidate, policies. 😉
The candidate affects their chances to win. It doesn't change how they rule if they do. No one seriously believes that Biden is calling the shots, or that those who are really calling the shots would let Harris make the decisions.
1. Does Biden drop out?
In less than a week. Think of all the bullshit (pardons, executive orders, etc) the Democrats can get away with knowing they can blame it all on a non-incumbent . It’s an incredible opportunity for the evil bastards, and they’re not going to pass it up. Negotiations with the Biden organization delayed due to long weekend, most likely.
2. If yes, who replaces him?
Kamala and some Debbie Wasserman-Schultz type party hack. Newsom if they really, really want to loose, which is terrifying.
3. Does Trump beat Biden/Replacement?
Who knows? The country’s split. But Democrat fortification efforts are going to tricker to hide this time. I give Trump 50/50 if the Dems don’t go full retard with their running mate.
Perhaps the real question is who’s Trump going to pick for his VP?
Who would be a good choice? Who would be a disaster?
I’m all for Tulsi.
No chicks.
No democrats
Good choice; Vivek
Disaster; Ben Carson
Note: Vivek isn't my preferred choice, but it would be a good one for the Trump campaign.
Ramaswamy. Pence was too much of an Establishment figure (albeit a conservative one), hence the repeated efforts to remove Trump from office. Take a page from George HW Bush and Joe Biden — pick a VP who is clearly a joke.
I like Vivek more than any of the other Republicans, so would like to see Trump select him for that alone. The bigger reason I want Vivek is, as you said, it prevents the deep state or the establishment from trying to take out Trump (whether legally or illegally) and install an establishment guy/gal in his place. Vivek is the only one that I see the establishment wants less than Trump himself.
1) Only if Harris takes over. Otherwise, every penny they raised goes bye-bye immediately.
2) There is nobody better. Which is sad.
3) Yes. Unless they cheat a lot.
New York learning about trash cans in 2024 is an insane flex.
Wait until Adams discovers where all his deleted emails sit.
The garbage can lobby?
Sanitation already cites us pretty arbitrarily, so perhaps not the lobby as much as the city just pursuing another avenue of junk fe... er, fines.
Curious. How much of NYC sanitation is still mob-connected?
The same as the rest of New York.
“Anybody who doesn’t like a federal-agency regulation can now bring it before a court,” said Jillian Blanchard, a director at Lawyers for Good Government. “It’s scary.”
Going to court is contrary to "Good Government".
Can't make this shit up.
"That's not 'petitioning', and you know it!!"
Depending on who petitions the court it could be a felony.
It's felonies all the way down, too, right?
These are the people who think "good government" are "experts" decreeing and the plebs obeying without recourse or complaint.
So, people like Lying Jeffy?
to paraphrase chemjeff: If you would just do everything the government wants you to do, they wouldn't have to force you.
Read that Slate piece; yeah, that is definitely their POV; of course they also see themselves as the one's running things, being that they have the goodest minds and the greatest virtue.
And there is absolutely no recognition of anyone needing any protection from of opportunity to redress anything the government does. It is truly a singular, and incredibly short sighted, point of view.
“Oh, I forgot. You were sick the day they taught law at law school.” - Lt Kaffee
And "good government" is so good we can trust it? If it's so good, how would it ever lose in court?
Schumer seeks to make a new law denying presidential immunity for Trump by declaring his acts unofficial. Wants to utilize the new law ex post facto to arrest his political enemy.
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/schumer-moves-strip-trump-immunity-election-challenge-after-scotus-ruling
Pure envy.
This is why they were pooping their pants with terrifying predictions of a Trump dictatorship, after the supreme court ruling. Because this is all what they were planning to do, and they can't believe that the other side wouldn't do it to them.
It’s what they’ve done for years now. They project onto others exactly what they are planning to do themselves time and time again.
Hey, democracy ain't gonna defend itself.
We certainly can't leave it to the people.
Most sensationalist headline of the week award goes to Slate.
I refuse to read any articles that doesn't declare it's now open season on a cherished institution.
Due process seems to be a very popular target nowadays; just gives corporations and fat cats an opportunity to weasel out of government oversight.
What? Don't you wish our entire legal system was run like Title IX?
Great moments in Chemjeffery:
This is a video by a city council in Finland to prevent migrant men from assaulting women.
“Stop, don’t touch me there, this is my no no square.”
Its not their fault. They didn't know. It was cultural. They shouldn't be chastised. - jeff
Also, intersectional anti-racism ethics require that colonizing Finish women allow oppressed immigrant men free access to the public square.
I cannot believe rational, educated, sentient human beings actually believe this rain dance(?) will deter a young migrant man looking to get his rocks off. This has to be parody.
Please tell me that was parody = X video from ML above
It is almost as bad as Philly, FFS.
I can't see this becoming the new Harlem Shake, but it's pretty close.
Then again, it is the clown world we live in. Hard to tell parody in the tick tock age.
I like how they shake their asses at the end.
This should work just as well as rain dancing.
Do they think the cultures these migrant men come from care about "no-no squares" on women they regard as being of easy virtue?
“Why should Finnish women carry concealed firearms when they can just sing the ‘This is my No-No Square!’ song we’ve created?” - Finnish City Council
“Stop, don’t touch me there, this is my no no square.”
Very much a missed opportunity to get the message out by failing to splice this into the chorus right about here.
Totes OK though to just jack off onto her while someone else does the no no square invasion. So I'm told.
Lol. Yeah, that’ll work.
D.C. Metro police continue to withhold J6 body cam footage from the public for unknown reasons.
https://justthenews.com/government/courts-law/judicial-watch-sues-dc-metropolitan-police-body-cam-footage-jan-6
They don't want to dox so many FBI officers.
Trust the experts.
That’s just our brave heroes protecting the public from “misinformation”.
You know all those body cam videos are cheap fakes pushed by ultra-MAGAs.
...Emily Yoffe makes the case for why the American people have the right to greater transparency about the president's health.
Every public appearance is that transparency.
"I am firmly committed to staying in this race, to running this race to the end, and to beating Donald Trump," Joe Biden wrote in a letter released by his campaign...
"I am firmly committed to my husband staying in this race, to running this race to the end, and to beating Donald Trump," Joe Biden wrote in a letter released by his campaign...
"And that firm is Burisma Holdings Limited."
wrote in a letter
I would've preferred a telegram. Get with the times, old man.
Would you accept a fax?
I’d prefer a smoke signal.
You done chewing that buffalo hide yet?
I needed a state DMV to transfer records to another state's DMV and they had the fucking gall to tell me "please wait up to a business day for the fax to transfer" And I blew a fucking gasket. This was last year. Just email a PDF you goddam inhuman mother fuckers.
A fax usually takes under a minute.
I had a client the other day who needed me (his insurance agent) to send over documentation to the DMV, as he was there trying to get something done. I asked if there was an email address for me to send it to the DMV. The DMV said they cannot accept it by email, only by fax. Alright, so I faxed it to the DMV. Then they couldn't access the faxing program to view the fax, as the ONE person who has a login had gone home for the day. You can't make this shit up (when it comes to incompetent bureaucrats, at least)!
But, if we had a big, incompetent bureaucracy run a socialized healthcare system, it would totes be different.
Dude, if you want to send an aeromail via the Prussian consulate in Siam, you have to make sure you aren't too late for the 4:30 autogyro.
lol
"I'm getting so frustrated by the elites,"
Unbeknownst to all is, that is what his aids call his Depends. "Time to put on your Elite boy pants", is a frequently heard refrain throughout the White House.
It’s the chafing.
"Fuck em both 2024" sign lady, who represents how so many of us feel about the presidential election, won her free speech lawsuit.
That single dollar in punitive damages will surely have a chilling effect on them trying it again.
The $30K in lawyer fees will help.
How? She likely paid taxes to that settlement money. It isnt the gov officials that pay.
I still think the individual in government needs to be held financially liable for constitutional violations. They need to pay heavily and out of their own pocket.
Financially? It's a felony, punishable by up to 10 years in prison to deny a citizen his or her civil rights under color of law.
Doesn't seem to get applied very often or ever.
A look into Bannons prison.
https://naomiwolf.substack.com/p/what-time-it-is
Still strange seeing Reason silent on this manner. He didn't show to the J6 committee due to claims by Trump of presidential immunity, the same claims the Biden DoJ has used often. Once Trump agreed to drop the claim Bannon sought to testify. But it was too late. Pelosi issued a contempt order to the DoJ who pursued it. Only active contempt claims are again against conservatives. One would think a libertarian outfit would note these issues.
A libertarian outfit would note these issues.
Let us know if you find one.
"One would think a libertarian outfit would note these issues."
Oh, they have their Reason(s).
Koch Network Raises Over $70 Million for Push to Sink Trump
This would be the same Steve Bannon who defrauded gullible MAGA dupes out of millions of dollars with his "We Build The Wall" scam, right? That he needed to get a presidential pardon for in order to avoid jail time? Glad to see you are sticking up for a guy who was able to evade justice for his crimes because of his political connections.
For all the times that you all complain about those damn dirty elites and their corruption, you sure don't seem to mind when it's one of your team's elites getting a little corruption on the side to be let off the hook.
Should people go to prison for contempt of Congress?
And note Lying Jeffy’s principles here. He thinks it’s ok to throw someone in prison for something because he doesn’t like him for completely different reasons.
Hasn't that been the one true obesity's opinion for a decade? Using the state to enrich his side while jailing his opponents?
Jeff loves using the state to abuse his enemies.
Yup, this is why I can call Jeff a Nazi, without even resorting to hyperbole.
That's really unfair. Nazi's at a minimum pretended to love their country. Jeffy's a communist. Note that his ideology is responsible for more deaths than every other cause combined with the exception of mosquito born disease.
Heck, people should go to Congress for contempt of prison; that'd be worse!
If only he was an immigrant.
Yes jeff, we already know you're a leftist authoritarian who wants to lock your enemies up.
Great libertarian response. Lol.
That is you Jesse. That is you who cheers when ICE beats up illegals in detention because they are subhuman wretches who deserve what they get, meanwhile, you cry crocodile tears at the 'outrage' that Steve Bannon has to wake up at 6am every day.
Lol, doubling down on the projection.
“It’s ok that I’m for locking up my enemies, because I also lie about your approval of the state abusing people.”
— Lying Jeffy
That is you who cheers when ICE beats up illegals in detention because they are subhuman wretches who deserve what they get"
Some would say this is a strawman, whereas it is in actuality a baldfaced lie.
I mean I actually said it should be investigated as I always do. But jeff claims it is lying.
Anyone who uses "MAGA" as a descriptor cannot be taken seriously.
So it is OK for contempt of Congress charges to be abused if we think the person is bad guy for unrelated reasons that he cannot be charged and punished for?
Does that road lead anywhere good?
Hey, I'm just using your team's standards here. Steve Bannon deserves what he gets because he broke the law. Isn't that the standard you and your team uses for those filthy dirty illegal vermin?
Stay on topic. The topic is contempt of Congress. The other "team's standards" appear to be this: They don't prosecute political opponents for contempt of Congress.
In your view they should start, yes?
You taking bets on an honest answer from Lying Jeffy?
As predicted, Lying Jeffy wouldn’t answer.
Steve Bannon didn’t break the law, you slimy toad. He took his lawyers advice until Trump dropped the claim. All normal procedure unless you happen to be a paid shill for the American Nazi party, or the DoJ for that party.
Steve Bannon didn’t break the law
2 USC 192
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/USCODE-2010-title2/html/USCODE-2010-title2-chap6-sec192.htm
Shit, half of the Biden admin needs to be in prison with Bannon then. I've seen endless videos of them refusing to answer questions, if nothing else.
And isn't Garland currently in contempt of Congress. Why isn't he in prison?
Look at Lying Jeffy pretend he’s never heard of Executive Privilege and that Democrats use it all the time to ignore subpoenas.
Do you think he doesn’t actually know this, or is he lying? I’ll let you decide, dear reader.
It is literally the defense Garland is using to ignore a subpoena. Jeff is so dishonest to admit it. Eric Holder as well.
Bannon's lawyers thought that he was eligible for the same executive privilege the Democrats have used a dozen times before, you deranged shill. Which he was thanks to Democratic Party precedent.
On June 20—the same date as the Oversight Committee vote—President Obama asserted executive privilege over the remaining documents requested by the committee.[138] While Democrats argued that Holder was carrying out his constitutional role by honoring the executive privilege claim, on June 28, 2012
Too bad he didn't gang rape a girl as an immigrant. Then he'd be set free.
People entering the country illegally should be shot... unless they promise that they are here to hurt you. In that case they've earned citizenship, and a pension.
"This would be the same Steve Bannon who defrauded gullible MAGA dupes out of millions of dollars with his “We Build The Wall” scam, right"
This is yet another lie.
Reminder: ML is not honest.
https://reason.com/2024/07/08/ticket-change/?comments=true#comment-10632094
Trump did not lie during the debate. Not once.
It's not a lie if you believe it to be true when you say it.
Are we using the George Costanza standard of ethics now? Okay then, I suppose that means nobody is a liar.
Just pointing out that there's a difference between being wrong and lying. The latter requires intent to deceive. If someone earnestly thinks the Mets won the World Series last year, it's more accurate to say they were wrong, and not that they were lying.
Trump might say "Best economy ever!" and he might actually believe it. Going straight to "He's lying" skips over he's incorrect, facts say otherwise, he's an idiot, or other reasons to disagree. You jump straight to intending to deceive.
Oh no, you’re still a liar. In fact right here you’re lying about not knowing the difference.
"Okay then, I suppose that means nobody is a liar."
No. YOU are a liar. You still today have failed to show one actual lie, a falsehood, told by Trump during the debate.
What a garbage human you are, Lying Jeffy.
Being found guilty of contempt by a kangaroo court should be punishable by a paid trip to the San Diego Zoo, with free churros included.
Emily Yoffe makes the case for why the American people have the right to greater transparency about the president's health.
Well if the American people should have known about a hooker payoff, now by law...
Indeed. Sure seems like a conspiracy to defraud the people and manipulate election results.
Democrats seem to be really against ensuring only citizens vote in federal elections.
https://www.axios.com/2024/07/06/house-democrats-oppose-gop-noncitizen-voting-bill
The legislation would require non-citizens to be removed from voter registration rolls
The *horror*!
What a about dead people?
"Non-citizens can stay attached to dead people if they wish. The bill is fair and reasonable."
Stunning. NYC finally enters the 20th century.
https://x.com/_elkue/status/1810316156613329077?s=46&t=qeA47-JjK6vq0pfnxg60dA
What will NYC do next? Indoor plumbing? Learn to drive cars? Travel west of the Hudson River?
Seems like a small bin for 9 apartments.
Yeah, the bins I've seen would be okay for four units max - assuming the units are housing a single person or a couple (which is the norm in that kind of walk-up building). A nine unit building is probably going to need three to four bins and a set for matching recyclables.
The problem is that these hundred year old walkups don't have foyers or storage rooms to house these bins. There are already first floor commercial spaces that keep the bins outside permanently. Instead of loose bags being thrown out over night at the curb there will be permanent bins in front of all the walkups.
Now they will get to know the joys of strangers putting their dog poop bags in their bins.
Can they please please please stay on the east coast?
I love watching our betters learning the wonders of...trash cans.
Russia obliterated Ukraine largest children's hospital?
OH no where will the ruling class harvest organs now?
Did it reveal some gain of function labs?
How much fuel did they have left?
There is now a non-zero chance zelinsky has adopted Hamas tactics.
Here is some material that Jesse, ML & co. masturbate to:
“They Treat You Like You Are Worthless”
Internal DHS Reports of Abuses by US Border Officials
https://www.hrw.org/report/2021/10/21/they-treat-you-you-are-worthless/internal-dhs-reports-abuses-us-border-officials
Always projection from the left.
Yup, Jeff always tries to project when jerking off, but usually ends up with a dribble.
But just jerking off onto a girl while she is being gang raped by others...you shouldn't get a real punishment for that. It's not like you raped her yourself or anything.
Fuck you. I'm not going to let you get away with this bullshit.
I never, not once, said that those migrants should not be punished. It is completely dishonest and offensive of you to continually smear me as somehow trying to justify gang rape. I never did and you are a deceitful cunt for continuing to bring it up.
I only ask that fair standards of justice be applied to the migrants in that case. That is not too much to ask - well, except around here, where migrants are automatically assumed to be inferior beings.
What about the semen that is found on the woman’s shirt? Is that the result of rape? Or is that the result of some guy jacking off while watching? That’s gross and possibly illegal but not the same as rape. Should this guy be punished the same as a rapist?
What about the semen from the guy who regretted it and showed remorse, and the semen from the guy who didn’t? Should they get the same punishment? And let’s keep in mind that they are minors with ethical codes that are not fully developed. That is the whole reason why we don’t try minors as adults for the crimes that they commit.
Also of note is that the victim was very drunk – which doesn’t excuse the rape, but also means that the victim’s eyewitness testimony isn’t going to be very reliable as to what actually happened.
Yes. The first is the same as a rapist…he participated in the rape even if he didn’t penetrate her. Second, we do try juveniles as adults when their crimes are especially heinous. Let's not even talk about "showed remorse" and so should get a lighter sentence.
I don’t want them to face harsher penalties because they are migrants. That’s completely 180-degrees from my position, which is that it was inconceivable that their defense seemed to revolve around their immigration status. It seems that they were downgraded because they were migrants.
–A female psychiatrist testifying on behalf of the defendants argued that their alleged gang rape was a “means of releasing frustration and anger” stemming from their “migration experiences and socio-cultural homelessness,” according to the Hamburger Morgenpost.–
Indeed, my initial comment was on the article that pointed out that apparently the crime of saying mean things to immigrants on twitter is WORSE than gang raping a teenage girl.
Woman Convicted Of “Offending” Migrant Gang Rapists Receives Longer Prison Sentence Than The Rapists
But you had to come in and accuse me of “wanting to create a bigoted impression that migrants are just inherently violent?” when my stated position was “Anyway, it’s just the price young women will have to pay for a more open society.” because apparently in some cultures rape is an acceptable thing and we are clearly being unreasonable to expect migrants from other cultures to follow the rules here.
Displaying righteous indignation while straight up lying about what he said is something a psychopath would do.
It’s something Jeff, gang-rape-apologist-extraordinaire, would do.
Also a good description of a psychopath.
Okay, then I don't think we disagree all that strongly then. I don't think a guy watching a rape should get the same punishment as the guy doing the raping, and I disagree in general with the idea that juveniles should be punished as adults, but if you are saying that these migrants should be treated according to an appropriate and fair standard of justice that is independent of their migrant status, even if we disagree on what that standard ought to be, then I think we agree on the larger point.
You do understand, however, that people like Jesse come here deliberately to post stories about migrants behaving badly, in order to create a bigoted negative narrative about migrants generally, right? So I am understandably going to be critical of any story which tries to stereotype or generalize migrants as violent thugs as a group.
I don't think if a bunch of white guys wearing Trump t-shirts gang-raped a drunk 16-year old illegal immigrant in an Atlanta park that you'd be arguing that the one that showed remorse should get a lighter sentence, or that the 17-year olds should be tried as juveniles, or that the guy who only jacked on onto her face should not get the same punishment that the ones who actually penetrated her. Nor do I think you would be saying that her drunkenness somehow overrides the positive DNA matches.
And feel pretty strongly that you would not entertain any excuse like "their white supremacist upbringing made the girl non-human, just an object, so in their mind they were not raping a person" or "The psychological damage of their long-term involuntary celibacy needs to be understood as they needed a release for their frustration and anger".
Sadly, though, European and American societies seem to want to find any excuse possible to allow abhorrent behavior, and it seems that there is a shit-ton of "Well, migrants can't be expected to [not rape people, not murder people]." and to actively ignore child-rape rings (Rotherham , Derby, Newcastle, Manchester...it's a long list) because "The failure to address the abuse was attributed to a combination of factors revolving around race, class, religion and gender—fear that the perpetrators' ethnicity would trigger allegations of racism."
Lying Jeffy is evil.
This.
Jeff is a monster.
If it had been a group of white German nationalists, who gang raped a drunk immigrant girl, I'm fully disbelieving that you would make the same comments.
OTOH, they would NOT have had phycologists lining up to excuse their culture as the basis for their actions.
Meanwhile, I'd have them all under the jail.
At the worst this is mistreatment of animals, being that the “victims” didn’t have their papers in order.
Human beings have government papers.
Total nothingburger.
Anyone who disagrees is a leftist.
Always projection from the left.
Yeah who gives a fuck. They had it coming. They shouldn’t have come here in the first place. Liberty and rights only belong to the anointed ones, Real Murican Citizens.
Meanwhile, read above about how Steve Bannon,
pardoned fraudsterpolitical prisoner, is being treated in prison. Why, he has to wake up at 6am every day! The horror! It’s an outrage! It’s a total abuse!They should have just jerked off on them. No foul.
You two retards know you have given nothing but one sided claims right? And you two retards cheered on the abuse of J6 protestors lol.
Should they be abused? No. But would like the actual facts of the situations. Not the bleeding heart one sided narratives you guys seem to only latch on to for non citizens. Meanwhole you cheer on abuses of citizens.
Also weird watching you two ignore the rapes, murders, and assaults by illegal immigrants.
What was your statements again? It was rare? So you've given us less than 5 stories for millions of illegals in custody over 3 years. Yet you deny the 660000 documented crimes by illegals in the last 3 years.
Weird neutrality jeff.
Should they be abused? No.
Oh, what a bold stand! You meekly state that "they shouldn't be abused" while you do everything in your power to make sure more of them will be abused. You continually push the narrative of illegals as nothing more than violent thugs and lazy moochers. You push for policies that gives more power to ICE agents to round them all up. You vote for the team that treats them like subhuman filth. Sorry, I don't believe you are sincere in your claim that you don't really want them to be abused. I think you don't really give a shit if they are abused or not.
I’m sure he opposes kicking dogs. Though I’m sure he’d be outraged if someone treated a dog the way he’d like to see illegals treated.
Amazing how you two can do nothing but emote with your arguments.
Sarcasmic is an utterly evil piece of shit now too. He’s started advocating seriously horrible stuff lately.
At first he was just trolling and white knighting for Kkkreamjeff and Shrike, but now he is a true believer.
while you do everything in your power to make sure more of them will be abused.
What power? What an emotional response. Fact free cries of false empathy.
Claims should be investigated and agents fired if true. But you posted solely allegations. Just like you posted the horse back agents whipping illegals. How did that lie of yours turn out Jeff?
You vote for the team that treats them like subhuman filth.
More emotional outbursts. Do you have any actual argument besides leftist emotional outbursts?
How am I treating them like subhuman filth? By making them follow laws like every other human in the country? By not supporting giving them 150B a year stolen by government from other humans?
Jeff, youre an emotional and retarded piece of shit devoid of any actual intelligent argument. Why you are a leftist. Lol.
Sorry, I don’t believe you are sincere in your claim that you don’t really want them to be abused.
Because I'm consistent? You defend migrants raping minors for fuck sakes. Lol.
What power?
The power of your voice and the power of your vote. You come here virtually every single fucking day with stories about illegals behaving badly. Why? Why do you push these stories every day, if not to push a narrative that illegal immigrants as a group are horrible people?
Claims should be investigated and agents fired if true.
Yeah, I don't think you really give a shit about this. I'll believe you are sincere when YOU are the one who finds the stories about ICE agents behaving badly and post them here as examples of government abuse. Have you ever done that? No, it's always the other way around - defending ICE agents when they are 'unfairly maligned' by just 'doing their jobs'.
How am I treating them like subhuman filth? By making them follow laws like every other human in the country?
With your very clear double standard. "If they didn't want to be mistreated by the authorities, they shouldn't have broken the law in the first place" is a standard you would never apply to people in your own tribe. Look at how you talk about the 'abuse' that Steve Bannon suffers when he is forced to wake up at 6am every day!
You very clearly see them as inferior compared to the Real Murican Patriots on your team.
Funny how he professes his undying hatred for "leftists," but behaves exactly like those he hates.
His playbook for demonizing illegal immigrants is exactly the same as the one dishonest "leftists" use regarding gun control.
Exactly the same.
He is just like the people he hates. Same mendacity, same dearth or morality, same dishonest tactics.
Only difference is he worships Trump instead of Obama.
I like how posting facts and evidence is hatred. You two are fucking clowns lol. Meanwhile you will post any unfounded claim within evidence as facts to push your narratives.
You two are honestly fucking dishonest jokes. It is hilarious.
Fucking psychopath.
His and sarcs arguments are pure emotionally driven strawmen arguments. They know they have no actual facts on their side.
Hell, given that they trespassed, don't you support them being killed?
Seems like they always ask me for my papers when I buy a gun or ammunition. And have you filled out Form 4473? Also when I register a bank account (had to find my ORIGINAL SS card for that one after we moved and wanted a local bank). Or get onto a plane. Or buy beer (even though I'm almost 60). And every time I get pulled over it's "License & registration please" AND I have to include my CCW just so they know.
DHS won’t even let them rape minors!
Jeff, you know how migrants don’t get into these situations?
Also weird to see you cry about detaining illegals for entry when you cheered no bail J6 defendants. Maybe you really do think immigrants have enhanced rights. Most of these people are free to return at anytime to avoid detention.
But we know you actually want to give them free hotels with maid service, food, and shelter while living free.
From Jeff's link...
These are just some of the allegations of abuse catalogued in internal US Department of Homeland Security (DHS) reports received by Human Rights Watch on September 24, 2021 via the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA).
Allegations. To an activist group. No actual evidence.
Weren't you and sarc claiming these stories are gunned up to foment anger when people note the rapes and murders from illegal immigrants. Lol.
Jeff, you know how migrants don’t get into these situations?
Yup, there we go, the inevitable: “they had it coming because they broke the law”.
Standards of justice don't apply to illegals. They're subhuman vermin after all.
Funny how you don’t apply this standard to Steve Bannon. Maybe if he had just obeyed the law he wouldn’t be subjected to the ‘torture’ of being forced to wake up at 6am every day.
Jeff. Can you show more than an allegations stated by an advocacy group?
And you're still defending the contempt charge for Bannon lol. Despite the initial immunity claims like Garland is using. God damn you're a leftist shill. With Bannon we KNOW the factual evidence. It isnt an allegation.
Is this story time with fat jeff?
Repeat after me:
"If Bannon had just obeyed the law, he wouldn't be in prison right now."
That is the standard that you hold illegals to, why can't you apply this standard to one of your team's most powerful elites?
Standard Trump Defense: A Democrat did it first and worse, so that makes it ok.
We know you’re retarded. And support one sided criminal law like a good authoritarian leftist.
Wtf does this even mean?
Bannon did obey the law based on even current precedent. See Garland claiming presidential immunity to avoid a subpoena. Just like Bannon did.
Jeff. Are you retarded?
Bannon did obey the law based on even current precedent.
Funny, that doesn't stop you from treating asylum seekers as "illegals" even when they apply for asylum legally.
A large % of asylum seekers are claiming asylum fraudulently, because they've been advised that making a claim of asylum is what they should do to stay, even if they are lying when they make the claim.
The people instructing them to lie are the same people that pay Lying Jeffy to come here and lie.
The asylum seekers are entitled, by law, to apply for asylum any time they set foot on American soil, and it doesn't have to be at a port of entry. They are also entitled, by law, to have their application reviewed according to the statutory due process. During that time, the migrants are not "illegals". They are following the law to the letter.
Don't like it? Change the law. That's what you and your team always tell me, right?
All this projection, spin, and flat out lying, because they can’t just say it’s wrong for only their political enemies being thrown in prison for contempt of Congress.
It’s actually amazing.
Alright, chemjeff. Answer the one question without bloviating about something else to avoid it:
If the law is the law, and no one is above the law, do you support Garland being locked?
Yes or no?
You've made it clear that Bannon deserves what he got for "violating the law." Now Garland is doing the EXACT FUCKING THING. Do you want him locked up too, or are you just a hypocrite?
https://reason.com/2024/07/09/biden-blames-the-elites/?comments=true#comment-10632875
I already read chemjeff’s post that you linked. He’s indicating that Bannon broke the law, so he deserves to be jailed. He never came out and stated that Garland should not be jailed. It seems clear that IS his view, as he refuses to answer the simple yes or no that I, and many others before me, have asked him to.
He can either say yes, Garland should be jailed, and not be a hypocrite, or he can say no, he shouldn’t, for “reasons” or because that’s (D)ifferent, and make it crystal clear he is a partisan hypocrite.
*Edit: I just noticed you were linking to your comment about how he won't answer, and not to the one a little below where he pasts the statute about contempt of congress.
There’s a lot of other examples besides Garland.
More important being Eric Holder.
Ask him about that.
I don’t believe in slavish devotion to the law. If the law itself is unjust, then it shouldn’t be obeyed or enforced on anyone. But it isn’t me who goes around saying “those damn illegals broke the law therefore they deserve what they get”. That is Jesse’s team. I am pointing out that they don’t really believe it – it is that team which makes the “That’s Diffe(R)ent” excuse-making, as evidenced by their characterization of Steve Bannon as a “political prisoner”. Maybe you need to ask Jesse and his team why they are defending Bannon when they claim to support the rule of law and they are the ones that claim to have a slavish devotion to the law.
I also don’t believe in blanket, broad comparisons between two superficially similar events. Sure both Bannon and Garland were charged with contempt of Congress, but in different situations with different circumstances, and those matter. Just like, the guy who kills his cheating wife’s lover, and the guy who kills 6 million Jews in an act of genocide, are both guilty of murder, but in very different senses of the word. They’re not equivalent situations and they shouldn't be treated exactly the same.
So if you want to try to claim that the law that makes defying a Congressional subpoena a crime, is an unjust law, then go ahead and try to make that case. If you want to try to claim that the particular circumstances surrounding Bannon’s prosecution makes that application of the law unjust, while the particular circumstances surrounding Garland’s contempt charge make that application just, then go ahead and try to make that case. I believe in the fair application of standards of justice, I don’t believe in making stupid false equivalences.
You don't get it.
What matters is who, not what. That way guilt or innocence can be determined without looking at the law and the circumstances.
Are they legal? Are they MAGA? If you answered yes to those questions then they didn't do anything wrong.
It's not that difficult.
The only two people here who openly support disparate execution of the law is you two leftist retards. Lol.
Illegals are animals because they don't have government papers.
That means they don't have human rights because they aren't human.
There are still laws against cruelty to animals, and they do apply to illegals too. But you really need to stop talking about them like they are people. They're not.
Have you ever been to another country?
Great point. Other countries are mean to immigrants, so that makes it ok. Impeccable logic. Totally unassailable. I assume that means our government should shell out free college and free healthcare because other countries do it too. What? You only mean immigration? Ohhhhhh. Ok.
Woooooooooossshhhhh
What are you even talking about?
Your attempt of trying to deflect from the fact that countries require you to enter legally is pathetic.
Was that wooooosh the sound of you jumping off a bridge because everyone else did?
Oh, and contrary to the lies that are routinely posted about me, I am in favor of making legal immigration easy in order to disincentivize illegal immigration.
https://reason.org/wp-content/uploads/files/a87d1550853898a9b306ef458f116079.pdf
The current system is absurd. It creates an incentive for people who are unable or unwilling to go through the legal process to come illegally.
What I oppose is treating those people like animals.
Doubling down on stupid?
Sure Jesse Jr. Whatever you say. If you want to be like him when you grow up, you're off to a good start.
Yeah, when can no longer argue the issue, go to name calling.
Because recognizing that the current system is fucked and wanting to see it changed isn't an argument.
Sure Jesse Jr.
""Because recognizing that the current system is fucked and wanting to see it changed isn’t an argument.""
That's valid, but also requires that they follow whatever changes are made and we are talking about a subset of people who don't give a fuck about what the law says.
Unless you take the position that they must follow the law, no change in the law would matter.
Do you apply that same standard to Trump? If so you could get into some serious trouble with the troll patrol.
""The logic for treating illegals like animals is that if they don’t follow immigration law, they don’t follow any laws. ""
Who is trying to treat them like animals?
The issue is what to do if they illegally enter. Sending them back is not animalistic.
Hated underclass scapegoats are always treated like animals. Whether you intend it or not.
All safc and Jeff have is emotional drivel lol.
Apparently not funding illegals to 150B a year is equivalent to calling them animals. Quite the leap of logic.
""I am in favor of making legal immigration easy in order to disincentivize illegal immigration.""
If people are not following the law, why do you think they would follow your law?
"" It creates an incentive for people who are unable or unwilling to go through the legal process to come illegally.""
I disagree. People seeing that other people made the trip and are given money (vouchers), places to stay, ect is the incentive.
I've never heard were a law that says you can't do X is an incentive for doing X.
""What I oppose is treating those people like animals.""
Expecting them to follow the law does not treat them like animals.
You're defending the current system and mocking anyone who says it has flaws. You also defend the current system by saying other countries are as bad or worse.
Looks like one big appeal to authority to me.
If people are not following the law, why do you think they would follow your law?
bastiat.org no longer works. Dang.
https://cdn.mises.org/thelaw.pdf
According to Bastiat, for the law to be respected the law must be respectable.
According to you the law is the litmus test for one's morality, and questioning it or failure to obey is the difference between a human and an animal.
Expecting them to follow whatever changes you make in the law could also be called appeal to authority.
""by saying other countries are as bad or worse.""
Bad and worse are your words, not mine.
We have the most liberal immigration system in the world. Sure it could use tweeking, but again, if people are not interested in following the law, they are not going to follow any change that is reasonable in your mind.
""According to Bastiat, for the law to be respected the law must be respectable.""
Respectable to who? The individual? Society?
If people are not following the law, why do you think they would follow your law?
Here is a thought.
Perhaps, the reason why most illegal immigrants break the law by crossing the border illegally, is NOT because they are inherently bad people who are prone to breaking any law. Perhaps, the reason why most illegal immigrants break the law by crossing the border illegally, is because they are desperate people put in a difficult situation trying to take care of their families.
The desperate father who steals bread to feed his starving child is not committing theft because he is some type of sociopath. He's doing it because he has few other recourses left to take care of his family.
if people are not interested in following the law, they are not going to follow any change that is reasonable in your mind.
I completely disagree. You equate failure to follow unjust laws with a disregard for the law in general. By your logic everyone who smoked pot in states before they legalized recreational use was a potential murderer. After all, they weren’t interested in following the law. And they all still buy on the black market because fuck laws. Right?
Does Trump concept of morality overrule the laws of the land?
Does Trump concept of morality overrule the laws of the land?
First you have to convince me that he has a sense of morality, and that will be a hard sell.
""By your logic everyone who smoked pot in states before they legalized recreational use was a potential murderer.""
Wrong, they would be subject to laws against pot, not murder.
You are bad at analogies.
""First you have to convince me that he has a sense of morality.
I'm pretty sure Bastiat didn't put you in charge of morality.
The logic for treating illegals like animals is that if they don’t follow immigration law, they don’t follow any laws. They are illegal by nature. Their very existence is illegal. So yes it is a very apt analogy, especially considering that many of the arguments against them involve bringing up instances where an illegal committed a heinous crime against another person, with a clear implication that those who don’t respect immigration law don’t respect laws against murder and rape.
Get your arguments straight.
I’m pretty sure Bastiat didn’t put you in charge of morality.
People with a moral sense have an innate sense of right and wrong.
Those who do not have a moral sense have no such compass. Right and wrong is simply what they can get away with.
I have a moral sense, and I'm realizing that it makes me an oddball.
""People with a moral sense have an innate sense of right and wrong.""
Everyone has a sense of morals which may or may not meet your standards. Who decides which morals have the ability to usurp the law?
Like I said, bastiat.org is down.
One thing he says in “The Law” which I found compelling because it is a choice I had to make, is this:
“When law and morality contradict each other, the citizen has the cruel alternative of either losing his moral sense or losing his respect for the law.”
I liked bastiat.org because it was searchable. This link is not. But it’s worth reading.
https://cdn.mises.org/thelaw.pdf
Unless you want to be a Jesse Jr forever.
His point is that for the law to be respected, it must be respectable.
I don't respect laws that are not worthy of respect. Do you?
Sarc accuses others of treating immigrants as animals them claims others are mocking him. Amazingly retarded.
Sarc, you completely misread and misunderstand Bastiat lol. You treat his comparison of laws and morality to someone describing anarchy. During his time there was an agreed to set of morality amongst most. Often found in religion and other social groups.
You treat the appeal to morality as an appeal to an individuals morals. Yet you see your issue when you then claim Trump has no morals so his morality doesn’t matter. You’ve now put your morals above others when morality is a discussion of right or wrong.
The way you treat this essay by Bastiat as an excuse making to make your beliefs superior over others without any intellectual discussion on what morality is. You just assume you’re moral, fuck everyone else, fuck defending your morals. A very authoritarian view of that essay.
In his time morality was discussed amongst individuals to reach shared baselines, it was not treated as an individual standard. They would use logic to defend their views on morality. Their views were not Supreme to others just because they said so.
This is why you get made fun of for not being intelligent.
I unmuted the village fuckstick and was immediately reminded why I keep it on mute.
An effective response would require breaking down the post sentence by sentence, and you just aren't worth the effort. You are human garbage with a half a dozen idiots in tow. Not worth it.
TrickyVic, I like you. You're not a cunt like Jesse and his friends. I encourage you to read some Bastiat. It might change your perspective on things.
Everyone has a sense of morals which may or may not meet your standards.
How do you define morals? I think of them as self restraint.
Sarc. Please refute it lol. Would love to see the retarded sophistry.
And nobody believes you mute.
Does lying to yourself make you feel intelligent or something? Intentionally not understanding what your reference is about is a demonstration of how non intelligent you actually are.
You can’t refute what was stated because you dont understand the essay.
You use the reference as a cudgel for a fact free pre declaration of your morals are correct so your views are correct. That’s not what the essay say ls you retarded fuck. You can admit you only read the quote and not the essay. Be honest for once.
How do you define morals? I think of them as self restraint.
Because youre a retard. Lol.
The problem with morals are there are many competing moralistic frameworks. From individualist to religious.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/moral-theology
Cultural basis of morality is a big and widely discussed topic. But youre such a simpleton you condensed it to simply what you believe and refuse to even acknowledge it isnt black and white.
You could at least read the wiki entry lol.
Morality (from Latin moralitas ‘manner, character, proper behavior’) is the categorization of intentions, decisions and actions into those that are proper (right) and those that are improper (wrong).[1] Morality can be a body of standards or principles derived from a code of conduct from a particular philosophy, religion or culture, or it can derive from a standard that is understood to be universal.
This is more proof you dont understand what Bastiat actually is saying you retarded fuck.
The only people calling them animals are yours and Jeff's strawman.
Can you guys combine your minimal intellect together you form just under average human intelligence and make a real argument?
Trump used the word animals when talking about the gang problem in Long Island. He was referring to people who would chop your kid with a machete. The left jumped on that to claim he was talking about immigrants in general. Which he wasn't.
Here is an example of gangs and machetes.
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/five-gang-members-sentenced-machete-slaying-nyc-teen-bodega-junior-lesandro-guzman-feliz/1992192/
Oh I know the dishonesty sarc and Jeff are using. They also cried about his using the word blood and vermin to refer to violent criminals.
The left loves to use arguments like Jeff and Sarc do here to have it to apply to all illegal immigrants and even legal immigrants because both of them are also lying leftists.
But their specific claim was about people here calling illegal immigrants animals. Sarc and Jeff love their lies.
Oh spare me your sophistry.
Jesse: "I will spend every day posting story after story about illegal immigrants committing violent crimes, mooching on welfare, doing horrible things, with the clear intent of pushing a narrative of illegal immigrants as a group as horrible people. But don't you dare say that I called them 'animals'! Why, that's an insult to my honor!"
Pretty much.
Do you get your head patted by Jeff's hand or his gut overhang?
“Maybe if he had just obeyed the law he wouldn’t be subjected to the ‘torture’ of being forced to wake up at 6am every day.”
Imagine conflating being in prison with having to get up at 6 am. Who would do that? An authoritarian psychopath, that’s who.
This jeffy/sarc circle jerk is fucking hilarious. You two deserve each other, and a good beating.
That's why I can never mute them lol.
Fat fucker seems even dumber than usual today. He's never right, but also never in doubt.
He gets like this anytime his dems or leftists are losing ground.
I hope the agents involved are investigated, and if charges are supported, that they are charged and prosecuted. Mistreatment of people under your charge/authority is wrong.
Having said that, this seems to just be deflection on your part.
That is a really challenging wank.
RIP Mr Lock
'President Joe Biden tries new approach: For his latest excuse regarding his cognitive decline and subsequent refusal to step down, President Joe Biden is attempting to portray himself as an embattled outsider who has earned the scorn of Democratic Party elites.'
And by President Joe Biden you mean Dr. Jill and the other inner circle members working hard to save the brand, while Old Man Joe Biden's naps, right?
“Naps” is the new “shits his pants”.
'Biden is now "counting on the support of African-American Democrats and his union allies as his last line of defense," reports Politico. "It's a playbook Biden has turned to in the past, portraying his detractors as mostly elite white liberals who are out of step with the more diverse and working-class grassroots of the party."'
Yup, that true Democratic core who are all in for sex-changing children and forgiving rich kids' student loans.
Whatever [they think] it takes to get the votes, man!
When you live in a blue bubble, the world looks a little different to you.
Well, compared to bowman, and the rest of the cbc, Biden looks like a genius
"...President Joe Biden is attempting to portray himself as an embattled outsider..."
Well, yeah. Reality is calling and leakin' Joe isn't gonna answer.
So here we go: The new GOP platform.
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4760251-read-rnc-panel-approved-trump-centric-platform/
The top two items (in Trump-esque ALL CAPS, of course):
So, go ahead and read it, and when you're done pleasuring yourselves to the idea of mass deportations, please note that this is what they chose to be their #1 and #2 items, what they are most proud of. They CANNOT WAIT to round up those filthy dirty illegals and ship them back to their shithole countries.
So, if they want to do the "LARGEST DEPORTATION OPERATION IN AMERICAN HISTORY", how will this be accomplished? Of course they don't really say. I submit that there is no way to execute the "largest deportation operation in American history" with any measure of success, that does not wind up violating the rights of citizens and legal residents. But I guess the rest of you are totally okay with completely scrapping the Fourth Amendment now?
This is how we get to a "papieren bitte" regime. Not by some dictator imposing it on the people by sheer force. We get it from a guy like Trump who is enthusiastically cheered on by his MAGA cult demanding that he violate their rights in order to punish the scapegoated "other".
LOL at the panic.
“If people won’t do the right thing voluntarily, the government is forced to take action.”
Anyone who values personal liberty over cleansing the blood of the nation is a leftist.
It’s the chocolate Jesus method.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/1ZY32-E0rHg
Funny how a few weeks ago you were pretending you never inferred or called Trump Hitler. But since that NY Mag piece came out you do it daily.
I guess it's time to modify this:
If your democracy cannot survive
Trumpvoters choosing the wrong thing, then it isn't a system worth defending on it's own merits.Funny thing is, we did survive trump. Pretty well.
""2. CARRY OUT THE LARGEST DEPORTATION OPERATION IN AMERICAN HISTORY""
FYI, something over 60% of Americans agree.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/poll-shows-a-shocking-62-of-voters-on-both-sides-favor-mass-deportation-of-illegal-immigrants/ss-BB1o5KGw
Let's do the democracy thing and have a vote on it.
That ALL CAPS platform - not just the top two but all 20 main points -and randomly capitalized punctuated words throughout is odd. Clearly they forgot the two last parts of the platform.
21. STOP SHOUTING!!
22. NO YOU STOP SHOUTING!!
Lmao, or should I say LMAO, at crying about using all caps.
OMG, LOOK AT THE DEMOCRATS USING BOTH ALL
CAPS AND BOLD LISTING THEIR PLANKS!
https://democrats.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/2020-Democratic-Party-Platform.pdf
Fucking clown.
LoL
All caps is a sign of white supremacy.
So you like paRty platforms in ALL CAPS w randOMLY Capitalized words and '!! punctuation?
Or do you only like an R version because a D version is evil and Marxist CapitalizATIon!!
It's almost like you are not self-aware to realize BOAF SIDEZ.
I don’t give a shit either way clown. You’re the one who got all butthurt because Republicans did it.
What do you think of the rest of the formatting? Down right Nazi-like, amiright?
I didn’t point that out because it was R. I didn’t even mention R. I pointed out that it is odd.
You’re the one who got butthurt that poor widdle R’s are the victim of something while big bad D’s are getting a free pass. So YOU ARE THE ONE WHO DELIBERATELY MADE IT ABOUT D’s instead.
You're pathetic. Like most R's. Amirite? Amirite?
Loser
Everyone can read your comment clown. Don’t be like jeffsarc.
Troll Mac is a pathetic troll, that is correct.
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I didn’t point that out because it was R. I didn’t even mention R.
I see why Lying Jeffy is making overtures to jfree.
w randOMLY Capitalized words and ‘!! punctuation?
Are the randomly capitalized words and punctuation in the room with us now? Are you having a stroke?
""This is how we get to a “papieren bitte” regime.""
Pretty much already there. Do you have your REAL ID yet?
Not to mention the NSA tracking your every move online.
I can't go to Mexico or Canada without showing ID.
Funny how making people do what I have to do is somehow wrong without it being wrong towards me.
Fuck, I can't even exercise my actual 2nd Amendment right as a citizen without the FBI crawling up my ass. What the fuck is chemtard complaining about here, that he might have to get his fat ass outside and mow his own yard for once?
Sadly there was no battle regarding papers please and domestic spying. There was no fight. There was acceptance and excuses.
What some people don't get is papers please is fading out. It's identity please and it's moving to electronic means such as your phone.
This isn't about having to show ID when crossing a border. This is about having to show ID *within the country* in order to prove to the authorities that you're not one of those dirty filthy illegals who deserves to be deported.
Right now the Fourth Amendment protects our rights to walk around in public without being required to have ID. That's going to go away with these "MASS DEPORTATION" schemes.
You already do that, it's called your driver's license.
""This is about having to show ID *within the country* in order to prove to the authorities that you’re not one of those dirty filthy illegals who deserves to be deported.""
Your claim of dirty filthy aside, illegals do deserve to be deported. You seem to make the name calling the key element, not the fact that they should be deported.
I have to do that on many occasions. I even have to show ID to enter most buildings in NYC. Soon you will need to have a particular ID (Real ID) to enter federal buildings or fly.
You have to prove your identity digitally to access some websites (multi-factor authentication).
I will agree that ID requirements are too strict in many cases.
However, there is a qualitative difference between your examples and what I am saying. In your examples, you have to present ID in order to perform some voluntary activity - go to a building, fly on a plane. Theoretically, you can choose not to do those things, and therefore not to show ID. I'm talking about being required to present ID *just for existing* - one has no choice but to have ID and present it on demand regardless of any voluntary choice that one might make. That is much different, and that is what runs afoul of the Fourth Amendment.
Like vaccine passports?
""This isn’t about having to show ID when crossing a border.""
Actually, it is. If everyone entered legally, the illegal alien argument would go away.
Yeah, it’s exactly what this is about. But just look at Lying Jeffy go!
This is about having to show ID *within the country* in order to prove to the authorities that you’re not one of those dirty filthy illegals who deserves to be deported.
If I have to do that just to get on an airplane or buy a firearm, they can do that to show they're actually allowed to be here.
I go to Canada fishing every fall. Guess what I have to do to get back in my own country?
In order to get back into the US, all citizens have to have papers.
We've been doing it for so long nobody questions it.
I would guess he was in favor of covid passports, too.
Still is.
So, basically the same platform they had in the 1920s and 1950s, before the northeastern Buckley-ite noblesse oblige decided the country needed a mass importation of peon labor to push out the white working class and turn the economy into a giant McJob franchising operation?
And here we are. Just read the comments above to see the people, on an ostensibly libertarian site, falling all over themselves to give up their Fourth Amendment rights in order to stop the illegal immigration scourge.
You support bringing child molesters into the country because you think they're oppressed.
Poor reason. The only libertarian commenters they have are jeff, sarc, and robert byrds butplug (plus assorted sock puppets).
I'm all for it.
Close the border
Send them back
Deal with immigrant rapists and murderers with the harshest most demeaning methods possible. Public executions.
2. CARRY OUT THE LARGEST DEPORTATION OPERATION IN AMERICAN HISTORY
Even larger than the one at Martha's vineyard last year???
The funny part is Jeff has to pretend this is a door to door operation instead of just the usual secondary arrest when they violate another crime.
Jeff has to utilize lies and fear mongering as his platform. Then every week he accusses others of doing so. He is a hypocritical piece of shit.
I don’t call him Lying Jeffy for nothing.
The funny part is Jeff has to pretend this is a door to door operation instead of just the usual secondary arrest when they violate another crime.
You're not going to get "THE LARGEST DEPORTATION OPERATION IN AMERICAN HISTORY" if the authorities just sit around and passively wait for the illegal immigrants to come to them. You're trying to have it both ways - pretending that it's possible to both quickly and expediently undertake MASS DEPORTATIONS while somehow doing it without violating anyone's rights or ugly authoritarian behavior. It can't be done.
Having had our rights trampled in the name of “public health”, I’m betting people will put up with this as well.
Will pizza be provided? That goes a long way toward balancing against the rights violations.
“It can’t be done.”
Ah, there’s that selectively nuanced defeatist at it again.
Well, we’re gonna do it anyway. Might as well accept it.
I'm all for illegal immigration as long as I dont have to pay for them and they arent allowed to vote on what to do to me.
Unfornately, I have to pay for them and they get to vote on what to do to me.
So it's deportation I guess.
Remember, jeff and sarc supported the killing of Ashli Babbitt for the crime of trespass.
Yet illegals are NOT OK to murder for the same crime they support a citizen being killed for.
Why?
Hi Jesse Jr. What kind of cereal do they feed you in the institution?
Again, why is it OK for a citizen to be killed for trespass but not OK for an illegal?
You can try and change the subject again if you so desire. Nobody expects an answer out of you. Good faith is a novel concept for you.
Which one of the commenters here said that the press would now start pushing the line that Kacklin' Kammy, who's the epitome of an incompetent DEI hire, had the gravitas that voters were looking for? That sure didn't take long:
Kamala Harris steps into the spotlight as calls for her to replace Joe Biden grow...
Democratic pollster Bendixen & Amandi Inc found the VP would edge out Trump 42 percent to 41.
42 + 41 = 83.... So 17% are voting third party? That's a good sign.
Brnadon didn't just go off-reservation; he went off-galaxy!
Look, he was SUPPOSED to announce he WASN'T running for re-election for health reasons. Pretty much everyone on both sides was expecting this.
After his announcement, the media would start making their fluff pieces about Brandon's life and Brandon's legacy.
Dem hopefuls would meet with Brandon and his peeps, hoping they would get insider help for the nomination.
And the first hour of the Democratic National Convention was gonna be a huge thank you to Brandon.
It’s actually kinda funny.
Look, he was SUPPOSED to announce he WASN’T running for re-election for health reasons. Pretty much everyone on both sides was expecting this.
Obama massively miscalculated the long-term effects of doing a Chicago-style ballot stuffing operation to get his VP in office for a pseudo-third term. He and his team appear to have thought that Biden was on the same page with them, understood that his health was on the decline, but they'd do him a solid and give him the "President Biden" title he'd been thirsting over his whole political career before stepping aside for the actual person they initially wantedin 2020, which was Harris before Tulsi took a meat cleaver to her campaign.
It never occurred to them that Joe's always put himself and his family above everything else. Why the fuck would he want to step aside now that he's finally achieved his life-long dream? After all, there's absolutely nothing wrong with him, dammit! He's not going anywhere and you can't push him out!
The initial Pavlovian shock of his debate performance seems to be waning back into resignation amongst the Dem establishment, even if their pundit/press allies keep pushing the line for right now that he needs to go. Short of an absolute shitshow in Chicago due to protesters trying to make the whole nomination event about their dumb Palestinian political cause, he'll be the nominee and the Dems will have to decide if they move forward with another 2 am ballot dump operation or not.
Obama massively miscalculated
I thought he was the one who never underestimated Joe's ability to fuck things up?
I am amused at how many establishment Democrats are fine with veggie Joe, and probably only really mad that he slipped too far.
Establishment democrats generally view disparaging the current front runner as the same as disparaging the party. You are only allowed to do that to the other guy.
#notmypresident
#resist
'Biden Blames the Elites'
That's OK, the elites blame Biden.
Congressional Black Caucus really is surprisingly supportive of Biden. Is it because they are more likely to be in safe seats fewer issues about being dragged down? Older themselves? Or something else?
Or just stupid?
I'll take just stupid for $500, Alex.
They know to go along in order to keep the grifts going. Those freezers aren't going to fill with cash on their own, after all.
""Congressional Black Caucus really is surprisingly supportive of Biden.""
I wonder how many of them know he co-sponsored some of the laws that they call systemic racism. The disparity in crack cocaine sentencing for example.
I'm waiting for Buttplug's commentary on this point.
Of course they know. The first attack on Biden in the 2020 primary was re busing in the 70's. But his candidacy then was also saved because of South Carolina primary and Clyburn endorsement.
Bussing in the 70s was a part of desegregation and is not comparable to all the people of color who were victims of the systemic racism Bidens' bills allowed.
They all know.
Like Harris said when asked, after being picked for VP, why she called Biden a racist - she cackled and said it was 'just politics'.
""she cackled and said it was ‘just politics’."'
Well that's an honest answer.
But I bet she has some choice words behind his back.
Just for the lulz, I want to see the Dems force Biden out and make Bernie the nominee instead. That would actually conjure up some excitement with their base, and the Dems could have a laugh by jobbing Bernie out for a third time for being a colossal pain in the ass to them for the last 20 years.
Nothing could be sweeter than watching the "save democracy" party throw out all the primary votes and go with someone picked out in a smoke filled back room. (no tobacco involved)
They have no problem with their elected representatives being excluded from the rule making process.
They don't care about democracy. They are just using the term to mean "what I want".
They've done that for every one of their picks, ever. Democrat voters have always only ever had the illusion of choice.
It's ironic that this is the party that wants to do p the electoral college;)
Shit, they basically did that in 2020 after Bernie kicked Biden’s ass in Nevada, and the debates were centering around whether Bernie would get fucked over at the convention if he was leading but didn’t have the full number of delegates.
The DNC decided to get ahead of that and all but declare Biden the nominee when Clyburn made his endorsement. That was the signal for everyone to shut up and accept it. That old Brooklyn commie always was a jobber to the stars.
Like I mentioned earlier, Harris was really the one they wanted, but Tulsi obliterated her before she had a chance to get built up, so they settled on Biden and made him pick Harris as VP. He’s looking pretty determined to not give in, so their best bet now is to have the Secret Service smother him with a pillow before the convention and say he had an aneurysm. Maybe they can offer Hunter the VP slot as a consolation prize so he doesn’t lose his crack and hookers income.
The most dangerous scenario is where POTUS Biden stays on the ticket, loses to President Trump....and armed hostilities break out during the interregnum period between election and inauguration. Do you think maybe the communist Chinese are salivating at that prospect; a paralyzed America?
If you are referring to domestic armed hostilities, the only combatants will be the usual Democratic city riot clowns and law enforcement. Too much walking involved to loot and burn the suburban homes and businesses efficiently. Especially while under fire from legally owned "assault rifles" wielded by those who know how to use them.
DC could certainly use a post-MLK assassination style cleansing with fire.
Too much walking involved to loot and burn the suburban homes and businesses efficiently. Especially while under fire from legally owned “assault rifles” wielded by those who know how to use them.
Depends on the suburbs. A lot of these places are just as bitch-made as the central city now. Just look at the Denver metro and all the dumbass Democrat voters that live in Jefferson, Boulder, Broomfield, Adams, and Arapahoe counties.
I live in the woods. Your scenario sounds great.
They have infiltrated about three divisions so far, why not assume they will start the ball rolling?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/biden-didn-t-show-up-for-an-early-evening-meeting-with-the-german-chancellor-because-he-had-to-go-to-bed-report/ar-BB1pFJzf?ocid=msedgntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=3c5ce7e72fb34c82814327467d441493&ei=18
I hear he's not doing anything past 8pm either.
>But these specific beliefs are a far cry from actual conservative values and priorities.
I disagree. I think these are closer to the actual values of conservatives - not the RINO grifters looking to make money because instead of 'supporting current thing' they 'oppose current thing'.
It's a backing away from the culture war and defining yourself by being against the Democrats.
That shit is all basically settled at this point, anyway because federalism would be more common under a Trump administration. Red states will typically have more restrictions, while blue states will mostly allow abortion up through the very end of the magic birth canal trip. Gay marraige is a dead issue because of the Supreme Court decision, but there can still be pushback against the pornsick genderspecials at the state level by nerfing transgender grooming and surgical/hormonal procedures on minors.
The point is to let the blue states keep degenerating into their swinish deviancy, while gatekeeping in red areas against their ideology from being insinuated. Make those places as hostile as possible to leftists, and they'll either avoid you or eventually go away.
Cite? I mean really. Leftist leaving my red state? A dream come true but I am stuck watching some MSM news and they don't seem to be leaving.
However, with the social platform of the GOP significantly liberalized, the DNC is going to have a harder time offering any reason to vote for them.
If you can still get reasonable abortion access, etc al, why support anti-American crazies?
I don't know, they seem pretty determined to run on this "Trump will have everyone who votes Democrat assassinated!" line now.
Russia destroys children's hospital.
More likely it was Ukraine that obliterated the children's hospital as they are known to f***things up entirely as they have in the past.
So I would highly suspect that a stray missile fired from a Ukranian site that did the deed.
No worry, send another $50 fucking billion dollars to that little coke sniffling micro midget.
Biden Blames................................................. The Working (?rich?), The skin-color (?Racist?), The Gender (?Sexist?), The Weather (?Sun-God Religion?), The World ... and last but not least ... The Elitists!
Oh. So he's a self-projecting Democrat then?
The older platform, most recently updated in 2016, supported a federal ban on abortion after 20 weeks and contained lines such as "the unborn child has a fundamental right to life which cannot be infringed." It mentioned abortion 35 times. The new platform does not mention any sort of federal abortion ban, saying instead that the party opposes late-term abortions and supports birth control and in vitro fertilization access. It says the word abortion once.
And behind the orange visage of their chosen bronzed idol, the dark night of Nationalist Christofascism descends and the enslavement of women into the inevitable Handmaid's Tale that was only being held back by Roe v. Wade begins...
George Carlin/ Why I don't vote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxsQ7jJJcEA/
Explains it all
Most sensationalist headline of the week award goes to Slate.
Dont they pretty much always win it?
"Biden Blames the Elites."
Oh, please.
Biden is the very epitome of the DC elitists clique.
Next he'll start fearmongering that Trump may try to weaponize the DOJ!
start fearmongering about that? Biden and his campaign has been fearmongering about Trump doing that almost as long as the Biden campaign has been weaponizing the DOJ.
Indeed. Leftards #1 character strength is to Self-Project (i.e. Blame every/any-one else for exactly what they themselves do or plan to do).
Without the constant self-projection; Democrats might actually be correctly acknowledged as [Na]tional So[zi]alist[s] in the USA.
"Are there no adults in the room within the Democratic Party who are prepared to help Biden face reality?"
oh puh-lease!! it's been clear for a long time that there are no adults in the room in either party, and no one intends to face reality or attempt to bring it to either nominee.