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Joe Biden

Biden Blames the Elites

Plus: GOP platform changes, Russia destroys children's hospital, Mayor Eric Adams invents garbage cans, and more...

Liz Wolfe | 7.9.2024 9:30 AM

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President Joe Biden tries new approach: For his latest excuse regarding his cognitive decline and subsequent refusal to step down, President Joe Biden is attempting to portray himself as an embattled outsider who has earned the scorn of Democratic Party elites.

"I'm getting so frustrated by the elites," the sitting president, who has been in politics for 52 years, said on MSNBC. He clarified that he wasn't referring to the hosts but "the elites in the party who, they know so much more," he added, emphasizing the last few words in a mocking tone.

"I don't care what the millionaires think," he added. (He had a fundraising Zoom call with that precise demographic later in the day, of course.)

"All the data shows that the average Democrat out there who voted…for me still want me to be the nominee," said Biden. Polling does not corroborate this.

A post-debate CBS/YouGov poll found that 72 percent of registered voters believe that Biden has insufficient mental and cognitive health to serve as president. Another poll, conducted last week by The New York Times/Siena found that "74 percent of voters view Mr. Biden as too old for the job, an uptick since the debate."

Biden is now "counting on the support of African-American Democrats and his union allies as his last line of defense," reports Politico. "It's a playbook Biden has turned to in the past, portraying his detractors as mostly elite white liberals who are out of step with the more diverse and working-class grassroots of the party."

Meanwhile, some members of the Congressional Black Caucus are claiming on CNN that calls for the president, who is 81 and would be serving another term until the age of 85, to drop out are "more around ageism and ableism, and not what President Biden has done….This president is fit and prepared to continue to serve. He's civil and he's experienced." Are there no adults in the room within the Democratic Party who are prepared to help Biden face reality?

Change of platform: The committee that decides on the platform of the Republican Party has voted 84–18 in support of a major update that considerably softens the party's stance on abortion, bringing it more in line with former President Donald Trump's views.

The older platform, most recently updated in 2016, supported a federal ban on abortion after 20 weeks and contained lines such as "the unborn child has a fundamental right to life which cannot be infringed." It mentioned abortion 35 times. The new platform does not mention any sort of federal abortion ban, saying instead that the party opposes late-term abortions and supports birth control and in vitro fertilization access. It says the word abortion once.

The platform also supports tougher immigration policy, economic protectionism, and moderating on a whole slew of social issues, even signaling acceptance of gay marriage. It gives minimal attention to the issue of the national debt. On issues of Medicare and Social Security—which the old platform made clear Republicans rejected as the "'Third Rail' of American politics"—the new platform simply adopts Trump's stance, affirming that he will not "cut one penny" from either program.

Though the document has not yet been fully approved and adopted, it looks slated to become formalized, reflecting the degree to which the party has become synonymous with the man himself. In a sense, actually articulating beliefs is better than what the party did in 2020, which was simple abstention from releasing a platform. But these specific beliefs are a far cry from actual conservative values and priorities.


Scenes from New York: We have the strangest mayor.

New York learning about trash cans in 2024 is an insane flex. https://t.co/SBaxvoylAH

— Sonny Bunch (@SonnyBunch) July 8, 2024


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  • "I am firmly committed to staying in this race, to running this race to the end, and to beating Donald Trump," Joe Biden wrote in a letter released by his campaign, addressed to lawmakers. He spoke to donors, went on MSNBC, and attempted to spend much of Monday trying to put the issue of his cognitive fitness to rest. It remains to be seen whether the digging-the-heels-in approach will work.
  • "Fuck em both 2024" sign lady, who represents how so many of us feel about the presidential election, won her free speech lawsuit.
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  1. Fist of Etiquette   11 months ago

    I don't care what the millionaires think...

    Billionaires or nothing.

    1. Sandra (formerly OBL)   11 months ago

      LOL

      #OBLsFirstLaw

    2. Yuno Hoo   11 months ago

      He *meant* "billionaires". When speaking, he is often off by a factor of 1000.

      1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

        "Over a billion three hundred million trillion three hundred million dollars!” Biden exclaimed.

      2. Wally   11 months ago

        Are you talking about his golf handicap here?

    3. Mother's Lament (original flavor)   11 months ago

      He knows that half a duplex in many cities is worth over a million.

      He definitely meant millionaires.

      Billionaires and the lumpenproles however, he will still pander to.

      1. Set Us Up The Chipper   11 months ago

        My take...he meant use poor millionaires.

    4. Kungpowderfinger   11 months ago
    5. Its_Not_Inevitable   11 months ago

      Was his Dr. Evil moment.

      1. Ajsloss   11 months ago

        Wasn't Dr. Jill the one that spent seven years at Evil Medical School?

    6. B G   11 months ago

      If his family operation is shaking down foreign oligarchs for 5-10 million at a time, why would domestic millionaires be able to hold his attention for long? Assuming he can still focus his attention on anything for long as it is.

  2. Fist of Etiquette   11 months ago

    I'm getting so frustrated by the elites...

    Suddenly.

    1. Randy Sax   11 months ago

      Bernie Sanders level of hypocrisy.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   11 months ago

        Combined with Abe Simpson and Mr. Magoo.

        1. Pear Satirical (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

          Don't forget Jeff Dunham.

    2. Mother's Lament (original flavor)   11 months ago

      I’m getting so frustrated by the elites…”

      Trying to appeal to MAGA is a bold new strategy for Joe.

      1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

        One of the main acts of socialists is to pretend they don't raise themselves up at the expense of their constituents. Hugo Chavez gave billions to his daughter but Venezuela media kept that fact hidden.

        1. B G   11 months ago

          The Venezuelan media is made up of people who are as disinterested in being "dissapeared" as anywhere else.

          I bet every tyrant in in the world would love to ask Biden about how to get such slavish compliance from his domestic media without open threats of violent retribution.

      2. Nobartium   11 months ago

        Nobody likes a trump copycat.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   11 months ago

          Joe did try the orange tan spray.

          1. CE   11 months ago

            And the tariffs on China.

    3. Mickey Rat   11 months ago

      After a lifetime of toadying to those elites, they want to discard him when they have no use for him, which is the fate of party hacks.

      1. Mother's Lament (original flavor)   11 months ago

        Devils always break their tools when they are no longer useful.

        This would be a valuable lesson for Jeff-Shrike-Sarc if they could pay attention.

      2. Kungpowderfinger   11 months ago

        If Brandon gets sacked, he should deliver an Eisenhower-style exit speech warning how elitist billionaires have taken over his “party of the people”.

        Preferably without shitting himself.

        1. JohnZ   11 months ago

          No one should expect anything of the sort from a senile, frail old liar.

          1. Kungpowderfinger   11 months ago

            Everyone deserves a shot at redemption. In my eyes, Brandon could make up for a lifetime of grift by exposing the disgusting, rich globalists in the DNC on the world stage.

            “No one fucks with a Biden” indeed.

            Get ‘em, Joe!

    4. VinniUSMC (Banana Republic Day 5/30/24)   11 months ago

      Biden thinks it's the mid 1970s?

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   11 months ago

        Or the mid 1870s.

    5. CE   11 months ago

      One percenter with king-like power complains about elites....
      (It takes a net worth of ~6M to crack the top 1%, Biden is about double that.)

      Maybe he meant cognitive elites, those who can still speak and reason and remember clearly? Perhaps Dr. Jill can start a campaign to promote sympathy for the neurodivergent and elderly?

    6. Piru   11 months ago

      He is frustrated by himself. So are many of the rest of us.

  3. Ajsloss   11 months ago

    they know so much more

    To be sure, liberal elites have the goodest minds in America.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   11 months ago

      Mostest of all they know that they are smarter than us and deserve to be in charge.

    2. Gaear Grimsrud   11 months ago

      Good as minds.

    3. Medulla Oblongata   11 months ago

      Notice ABC News, NYT, etc. all fighting to backtrack on that word and replace in the transcripts.

      1. Ajsloss   11 months ago

        I feel like that’s not as… good as… simply ignoring the flub and moving on. *That* would be a good-ass move, instead of drawing more attention by making his statement more perplexing.

      2. JohnZ   11 months ago

        The Ministries of Truth.
        Winston Smith is alive and well at the N.Y.Times

  4. Fist of Etiquette   11 months ago

    ...portraying his detractors as mostly elite white liberals who are out of step with the more diverse and working-class grassroots of the party.

    His handlers, on the other hand, have a firm grasp on the pulse of the nation.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   11 months ago

      That would be the pulse you can feel in a choke hold, right?

    2. Kungpowderfinger   11 months ago

      …portraying his detractors as mostly elite white liberals who are out of step with the more diverse and working-class grassroots of the party.

      Tell me this isn’t the end for FJB. I’ll give him another week, then sayonara.

  5. Fist of Etiquette   11 months ago

    ...a major update that considerably softens the party's stance on abortion, bringing it more in line with former President Donald Trump's views.

    They now know that babies born eventually turn into young adults and those brats vote blue.

    1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

      We already had an ENB freak out about this.

      https://www.businessinsider.com/gen-z-changes-political-divides-2019-7

    2. Longtobefree   11 months ago

      Or maybe, just maybe, since the supreme court has ruled this is NOT a federal issue, it should not be in the platform as a federal issue?
      Weird I know, but logical.

  6. Mother's Lament (original flavor)   11 months ago

    The older platform, most recently updated in 2016, supported a federal ban on abortion after 20 weeks and contained lines such as "the unborn child has a fundamental right to life which cannot be infringed." It mentioned abortion 35 times.

    So, it was in-line with the rest of the world before, and is now slightly more in-line with the ghouls of the Democratic Party.

    1. TJJ2000   11 months ago

      One of the few things that separates the USA from the rest of the world was Individual Rights; or should I say was (past tense).

      1. Mother's Lament (original flavor)   11 months ago

        And casual offspring murder.

        1. TJJ2000   11 months ago

          Ya know like how condoms prevent the birth of offspring is murder?
          Welcome to the imagination of fantasy-land creatures.
          If you cannot wield your imagination into reality (i.e. ?baby? freedom)
          UR just supporting Gov-Gun forced reproduction.
          BAN the Condoms killing babies!!!!! /s

          Certainly such a noble religion should over-ride Individual Rights; right?

          1. R Mac   11 months ago

            Hope this helps!

            https://www.britannica.com/science/fertilization-reproduction

            1. TJJ2000   11 months ago

              Funny. Your “science” never did say a “fertilized egg” had an inherent right to life. That article defeats your stance. Are you imaging it did like you imagine fairy-tale creatures existing?

              1. R Mac   11 months ago

                Lulz.

              2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

                When in the process does a new version of DNA get created?

                1. Mother's Lament (original flavor)   11 months ago

                  When the clump of cells is kissed by the Birth Canal Fairy and magically becomes human, it is then given its unique genetic code.

                  1. TJJ2000   11 months ago

                    Part True. When the clump of cells exits your Fantasy-Land ?Baby?-BS Canal and actually exists as an individual in reality.

                    individual [noun] – existing as a distinct entity : separate.
                    Right there in the English Dictionary.

                    If you want to claim it to be an individual person it has to exist as ‘separate’ – ‘distinct entity’. Not just ‘imagine’ and LIE about it already being so. A house plan is not a house no matter how much imaginative power you throw at it.

                    And the only way it becomes a house is requiring someone to build the plan (i.e. Females losing Individual Rights to their very-own body and being Gov-Gun FORCED to reproduce for the State.)

                2. TJJ2000   11 months ago

                  Does DNA have an inherent right to life?

                  Are DNA samples taken out of their place by law enforcement or by cleaning legitimate basis for murder charges?

  7. Fist of Etiquette   11 months ago

    ...even signaling acceptance of gay marriage.

    The party has a real chance of getting the non-Pride gays to vote GOP, thanks to the Pride gays.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   11 months ago

      Which ones pay taxes?

      1. Medulla Oblongata   11 months ago

        That would be the non-Pride ones.

      2. TJJ2000   11 months ago

        ^THIS exactly. There is no sensible reason for anyone to demand a ‘status’ symbol from government. The gay marriage parade is nothing but gaining tax-cuts and law-entitlements in a situation that inherently isn’t capable of being the same type of relationship.

        It’s just another [WE] identify-as gang trying to RULE! Precisely what the Democrat Party has done by conquered the USA and left [Na]tional So[zi]al[ism] in its tracks.

        People tend to mentally pretend Germany hated Jews from the beginning. No; It was the progression of [Na]tional So[zi]al[ism] (‘Guns’ make sh*t) mentality that eventually turned the citizens against each other. The only kinds of people who think ‘Guns’ are the tool to make a living from are criminals and the end-game in that scenario is a blood-bath of who (which [WE] gang) gets the last twinkie.

  8. R Mac (5-30-24, sarc’s too drunk to remember what he thinks about it)   11 months ago

    “Russia obliterated Ukraine's largest children's hospital.”

    They also launched a missile into Poland and we did NOTHING!

    1. Mother's Lament (original flavor)   11 months ago

      Don’t forget that undersea natural gas pipeline to Germany that Putin blew up.

      1. R Mac (5-30-24, sarc’s too drunk to remember what he thinks about it)   11 months ago

        Why isn’t The Ghost of Kiev stopping all this?

        1. shadydave   11 months ago

          Samuyil Hyde has a full plate. I don't understand how Adam Kinzinger remains a serious political figure after this. I mean these are the people claiming to be smart enough to plan the whole world:

          https://dw-wp-production.imgix.net/2022/02/Screen-Shot-2022-02-28-at-7.07.54-PM.png

          1. R Mac   11 months ago

            Lol, I missed that. Perfect.

      2. JohnZ   11 months ago

        Putin is also responsible for Joe's dismal performance in the debates.
        Putin also sent a hurricane to destroy America.
        Putin is responsible for the high gas prices.
        Putin created the Russian collusion hoax.
        Putin created crack head Hunter's laptop.
        PUTIN! PUTIN! PUTIN!

        1. Mother's Lament (original flavor)   11 months ago

          Trump used to be the Democrat's evil demiurge, now it's Mad Vlad.

    2. TrickyVic (old school)   11 months ago

      Will the ICC issue arrest warrants?

      1. CE   11 months ago

        As soon as they bring in that Israeli strike team for rescuing hostages without a permit and a 30-day notice to the UN (who would never alert the terrorists holding the hostages).

  9. Randy Sax   11 months ago

    Conducting a Poll.

    1. Does Biden drop out?
    2. If yes, who replaces him?
    3. Does Trump beat Biden/Replacement?

    1. Mother's Lament (original flavor)   11 months ago

      1. Does Biden drop out?

      They'll replace him at the convention

      2. If yes, who replaces him?

      Newsom or Gretchen.

      3. Does Trump beat Biden/Replacement?

      Yes, if he makes it alive to election day, and exceeds their margin of fraud this time (which will be huge).

      1. JohnZ   11 months ago

        Trump already polls ahead of both those clowns.
        As a Michigander I sure as hell ain't voting for wretched Gretchen.
        Maybe the FBI will arrange for another kidnapping attempt.
        Whitchmer will also bring in with her the other two nasty witches, Bensen and Nessel. Nessel being a drunken alcoholic lezbo.

        1. CE   11 months ago

          The campaign ads against Newsom or Whitmer pretty much write themselves. The Dems are better off putting up a candidate with no major public record.

        2. Mother's Lament (original flavor)   11 months ago

          Doesn't matter as long as mail-in ballots are still a thing.

    2. Sometimes a Great Notion   11 months ago

      1. Yes, his campaign is in 2nd stage of grief - anger at elites after denying his decline with it was travel/flu excuses.
      2. Newsome (not certain on this)
      3. Trump wins against any Dem back bencher, unless Oprah or The Rock is #2 above.

    3. Quo Usque Tandem   11 months ago

      The Queen of Cackle, I predict

      (Note he previously prevailed against The Queen of Cankels in 2016)

      1. Randy Sax   11 months ago

        I haven’t heard her name pop-up for this. I think she’s beyond cooked.

        1. Stuck in California   11 months ago

          Saw an article headline (didn't click on it) yesterday positing who would be Kamala's running mate.

          I think that's the only mention I have seen, but someone was laying groundwork.

    4. sarcasmic   11 months ago

      What should Biden do?

      a) stay the course
      b) resign as president, allowing Harris to run as the incumbent (invoking the 25th has the same effect)
      c) stay president, but resign from the campaign (brokered convention would have the same effect)

      1. Don't look at me!   11 months ago

        Don’t answer a question with a question.

      2. Yuno Hoo   11 months ago

        Stay the course, Joe! Wear those elite bastards down!

      3. CE   11 months ago

        He should resign immediately. He's unfit to serve as President right now, waiting for six months endangers everyone.

        If he doesn't, Harris and the Cabinet should invoke the 25th Amendment, and 2/3 (really 3/3) of both houses of Congress should vote to remove him. What possible justification could they put forward that he's not endangering the nation by continuing to lead while mentally incompetent?

    5. Roberta   11 months ago

      1. Biden does not drop out. Drop dead, maybe, but not out.

      3. Trump beats Biden.

      Not only does Trump beat Biden, but for a generation to come, Democrats can count on only the meanest voters, the ones who want to spite the rest of the country, in elections for national offices. The only way the Democrats can avoid that fate is for the Biden delegates to reject him, not because they think anyone they nominate this year can win, but just to show they would not deliberately saddle the administration with a demented CEO. But I think the die is cast, and this venal lot...is venal. Therefore voters will take note, and the only ones who vote Democrat from now on will see it as an instrument to say "fuck you" to the country and world. In elections at the state and local level people may see those party organizations as different...or not.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   11 months ago

        Another variation: Biden runs, and even with election fortification the results are so close that both sides contest the validity and refuse to concede. Will viral support both parties claim victory and we have at least a short period with two presidents. Now that could be fun.

      2. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   11 months ago

        And the Ds deserve nothing other. They had 4 years to build a bench. Instead we got a DEI hire and a declining old man, but the Ds figured kangaroo courts would solve the problem.

      3. Longtobefree   11 months ago

        Biden will suffer either a 'mild stroke', or a 'slip and fall', and Kween Kamala will reluctantly step in under the 25th and run as the incumbent. And lose.
        The issue is not the democrat candidate, it is the democrat policies.

        1. JohnZ   11 months ago

          The Democrat policies of failure, destruction and decline.

        2. Commenter_XY   11 months ago

          The issue is both: candidate, policies. 😉

          1. CE   11 months ago

            The candidate affects their chances to win. It doesn't change how they rule if they do. No one seriously believes that Biden is calling the shots, or that those who are really calling the shots would let Harris make the decisions.

    6. Kungpowderfinger   11 months ago

      1. Does Biden drop out?

      In less than a week. Think of all the bullshit (pardons, executive orders, etc) the Democrats can get away with knowing they can blame it all on a non-incumbent . It’s an incredible opportunity for the evil bastards, and they’re not going to pass it up. Negotiations with the Biden organization delayed due to long weekend, most likely.

      2. If yes, who replaces him?

      Kamala and some Debbie Wasserman-Schultz type party hack. Newsom if they really, really want to loose, which is terrifying.

      3. Does Trump beat Biden/Replacement?

      Who knows? The country’s split. But Democrat fortification efforts are going to tricker to hide this time. I give Trump 50/50 if the Dems don’t go full retard with their running mate.

    7. Kungpowderfinger   11 months ago

      Perhaps the real question is who’s Trump going to pick for his VP?

      Who would be a good choice? Who would be a disaster?

      I’m all for Tulsi.

      1. Don't look at me!   11 months ago

        No chicks.

        1. Spiritus Mundi   11 months ago

          No democrats

      2. Randy Sax   11 months ago

        Good choice; Vivek
        Disaster; Ben Carson

        Note: Vivek isn't my preferred choice, but it would be a good one for the Trump campaign.

      3. CE   11 months ago

        Ramaswamy. Pence was too much of an Establishment figure (albeit a conservative one), hence the repeated efforts to remove Trump from office. Take a page from George HW Bush and Joe Biden — pick a VP who is clearly a joke.

        1. Jefferson Paul   11 months ago

          I like Vivek more than any of the other Republicans, so would like to see Trump select him for that alone. The bigger reason I want Vivek is, as you said, it prevents the deep state or the establishment from trying to take out Trump (whether legally or illegally) and install an establishment guy/gal in his place. Vivek is the only one that I see the establishment wants less than Trump himself.

    8. damikesc   11 months ago

      1) Only if Harris takes over. Otherwise, every penny they raised goes bye-bye immediately.

      2) There is nobody better. Which is sad.

      3) Yes. Unless they cheat a lot.

  10. Fist of Etiquette   11 months ago

    New York learning about trash cans in 2024 is an insane flex.

    Wait until Adams discovers where all his deleted emails sit.

    1. TrickyVic (old school)   11 months ago

      The garbage can lobby?

      1. Ska   11 months ago

        Sanitation already cites us pretty arbitrarily, so perhaps not the lobby as much as the city just pursuing another avenue of junk fe... er, fines.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   11 months ago

          Curious. How much of NYC sanitation is still mob-connected?

          1. Longtobefree   11 months ago

            The same as the rest of New York.

  11. Idaho-Bob   11 months ago

    “Anybody who doesn’t like a federal-agency regulation can now bring it before a court,” said Jillian Blanchard, a director at Lawyers for Good Government. “It’s scary.”

    Going to court is contrary to "Good Government".

    Can't make this shit up.

    1. Yuno Hoo   11 months ago

      "That's not 'petitioning', and you know it!!"

    2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

      Depending on who petitions the court it could be a felony.

      1. Medulla Oblongata   11 months ago

        It's felonies all the way down, too, right?

    3. Mickey Rat   11 months ago

      These are the people who think "good government" are "experts" decreeing and the plebs obeying without recourse or complaint.

      1. R Mac   11 months ago

        So, people like Lying Jeffy?

        1. Jefferson Paul   11 months ago

          to paraphrase chemjeff: If you would just do everything the government wants you to do, they wouldn't have to force you.

      2. Quo Usque Tandem   11 months ago

        Read that Slate piece; yeah, that is definitely their POV; of course they also see themselves as the one's running things, being that they have the goodest minds and the greatest virtue.

        And there is absolutely no recognition of anyone needing any protection from of opportunity to redress anything the government does. It is truly a singular, and incredibly short sighted, point of view.

    4. Kungpowderfinger   11 months ago

      “Oh, I forgot. You were sick the day they taught law at law school.” - Lt Kaffee

    5. CE   11 months ago

      And "good government" is so good we can trust it? If it's so good, how would it ever lose in court?

  12. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

    Schumer seeks to make a new law denying presidential immunity for Trump by declaring his acts unofficial. Wants to utilize the new law ex post facto to arrest his political enemy.

    https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/schumer-moves-strip-trump-immunity-election-challenge-after-scotus-ruling

    1. Don't look at me!   11 months ago

      Pure envy.

    2. Mother's Lament (original flavor)   11 months ago

      This is why they were pooping their pants with terrifying predictions of a Trump dictatorship, after the supreme court ruling. Because this is all what they were planning to do, and they can't believe that the other side wouldn't do it to them.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   11 months ago

        It’s what they’ve done for years now. They project onto others exactly what they are planning to do themselves time and time again.

    3. CE   11 months ago

      Hey, democracy ain't gonna defend itself.

      1. Its_Not_Inevitable   11 months ago

        We certainly can't leave it to the people.

  13. Fist of Etiquette   11 months ago

    Most sensationalist headline of the week award goes to Slate.

    I refuse to read any articles that doesn't declare it's now open season on a cherished institution.

    1. Quo Usque Tandem   11 months ago

      Due process seems to be a very popular target nowadays; just gives corporations and fat cats an opportunity to weasel out of government oversight.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   11 months ago

        What? Don't you wish our entire legal system was run like Title IX?

  14. Mother's Lament (original flavor)   11 months ago

    Great moments in Chemjeffery:

    This is a video by a city council in Finland to prevent migrant men from assaulting women.

    “Stop, don’t touch me there, this is my no no square.”

    1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

      Its not their fault. They didn't know. It was cultural. They shouldn't be chastised. - jeff

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   11 months ago

        Also, intersectional anti-racism ethics require that colonizing Finish women allow oppressed immigrant men free access to the public square.

      2. Commenter_XY   11 months ago

        I cannot believe rational, educated, sentient human beings actually believe this rain dance(?) will deter a young migrant man looking to get his rocks off. This has to be parody.

        Please tell me that was parody = X video from ML above

        It is almost as bad as Philly, FFS.

        1. Stuck in California   11 months ago

          I can't see this becoming the new Harlem Shake, but it's pretty close.

          Then again, it is the clown world we live in. Hard to tell parody in the tick tock age.

    2. Don't look at me!   11 months ago

      I like how they shake their asses at the end.

    3. Super Scary   11 months ago

      This should work just as well as rain dancing.

    4. Mickey Rat   11 months ago

      Do they think the cultures these migrant men come from care about "no-no squares" on women they regard as being of easy virtue?

    5. Kungpowderfinger   11 months ago

      “Why should Finnish women carry concealed firearms when they can just sing the ‘This is my No-No Square!’ song we’ve created?” - Finnish City Council

    6. mad.casual   11 months ago

      “Stop, don’t touch me there, this is my no no square.”

      Very much a missed opportunity to get the message out by failing to splice this into the chorus right about here.

    7. Medulla Oblongata   11 months ago

      Totes OK though to just jack off onto her while someone else does the no no square invasion. So I'm told.

    8. EISTAU Gree-Vance   11 months ago

      Lol. Yeah, that’ll work.

  15. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

    D.C. Metro police continue to withhold J6 body cam footage from the public for unknown reasons.

    https://justthenews.com/government/courts-law/judicial-watch-sues-dc-metropolitan-police-body-cam-footage-jan-6

    1. Mother's Lament (original flavor)   11 months ago

      They don't want to dox so many FBI officers.

    2. Don't look at me!   11 months ago

      Trust the experts.

    3. Kungpowderfinger   11 months ago

      That’s just our brave heroes protecting the public from “misinformation”.

    4. Medulla Oblongata   11 months ago

      You know all those body cam videos are cheap fakes pushed by ultra-MAGAs.

  16. Fist of Etiquette   11 months ago

    ...Emily Yoffe makes the case for why the American people have the right to greater transparency about the president's health.

    Every public appearance is that transparency.

  17. Fist of Etiquette   11 months ago

    "I am firmly committed to staying in this race, to running this race to the end, and to beating Donald Trump," Joe Biden wrote in a letter released by his campaign...

    "I am firmly committed to my husband staying in this race, to running this race to the end, and to beating Donald Trump," Joe Biden wrote in a letter released by his campaign...

    1. Yuno Hoo   11 months ago

      "And that firm is Burisma Holdings Limited."

    2. Ajsloss   11 months ago

      wrote in a letter

      I would've preferred a telegram. Get with the times, old man.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   11 months ago

        Would you accept a fax?

        1. Elizabeth Warren   11 months ago

          I’d prefer a smoke signal.

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   11 months ago

            You done chewing that buffalo hide yet?

        2. Randy Sax   11 months ago

          I needed a state DMV to transfer records to another state's DMV and they had the fucking gall to tell me "please wait up to a business day for the fax to transfer" And I blew a fucking gasket. This was last year. Just email a PDF you goddam inhuman mother fuckers.

          1. CE   11 months ago

            A fax usually takes under a minute.

          2. Jefferson Paul   11 months ago

            I had a client the other day who needed me (his insurance agent) to send over documentation to the DMV, as he was there trying to get something done. I asked if there was an email address for me to send it to the DMV. The DMV said they cannot accept it by email, only by fax. Alright, so I faxed it to the DMV. Then they couldn't access the faxing program to view the fax, as the ONE person who has a login had gone home for the day. You can't make this shit up (when it comes to incompetent bureaucrats, at least)!

            But, if we had a big, incompetent bureaucracy run a socialized healthcare system, it would totes be different.

            1. Stuck in California   11 months ago

              Dude, if you want to send an aeromail via the Prussian consulate in Siam, you have to make sure you aren't too late for the 4:30 autogyro.

              1. Jefferson Paul   11 months ago

                lol

  18. Sometimes a Great Notion   11 months ago

    "I'm getting so frustrated by the elites,"

    Unbeknownst to all is, that is what his aids call his Depends. "Time to put on your Elite boy pants", is a frequently heard refrain throughout the White House.

    1. Don't look at me!   11 months ago

      It’s the chafing.

  19. Fist of Etiquette   11 months ago

    "Fuck em both 2024" sign lady, who represents how so many of us feel about the presidential election, won her free speech lawsuit.

    That single dollar in punitive damages will surely have a chilling effect on them trying it again.

    1. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   11 months ago

      The $30K in lawyer fees will help.

      1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

        How? She likely paid taxes to that settlement money. It isnt the gov officials that pay.

    2. Eeyore   11 months ago

      I still think the individual in government needs to be held financially liable for constitutional violations. They need to pay heavily and out of their own pocket.

      1. CE   11 months ago

        Financially? It's a felony, punishable by up to 10 years in prison to deny a citizen his or her civil rights under color of law.

        1. Eeyore   11 months ago

          Doesn't seem to get applied very often or ever.

  20. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

    A look into Bannons prison.

    https://naomiwolf.substack.com/p/what-time-it-is

    Still strange seeing Reason silent on this manner. He didn't show to the J6 committee due to claims by Trump of presidential immunity, the same claims the Biden DoJ has used often. Once Trump agreed to drop the claim Bannon sought to testify. But it was too late. Pelosi issued a contempt order to the DoJ who pursued it. Only active contempt claims are again against conservatives. One would think a libertarian outfit would note these issues.

    1. R Mac (5-30-24, sarc’s too drunk to remember what he thinks about it)   11 months ago

      A libertarian outfit would note these issues.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   11 months ago

        Let us know if you find one.

    2. Mother's Lament (original flavor)   11 months ago

      "One would think a libertarian outfit would note these issues."

      Oh, they have their Reason(s).

      Koch Network Raises Over $70 Million for Push to Sink Trump

    3. chemjeff radical individualist   11 months ago

      This would be the same Steve Bannon who defrauded gullible MAGA dupes out of millions of dollars with his "We Build The Wall" scam, right? That he needed to get a presidential pardon for in order to avoid jail time? Glad to see you are sticking up for a guy who was able to evade justice for his crimes because of his political connections.

      For all the times that you all complain about those damn dirty elites and their corruption, you sure don't seem to mind when it's one of your team's elites getting a little corruption on the side to be let off the hook.

      1. R Mac (5-30-24, sarc’s too drunk to remember what he thinks about it)   11 months ago

        Should people go to prison for contempt of Congress?

        1. R Mac (5-30-24, sarc’s too drunk to remember what he thinks about it)   11 months ago

          And note Lying Jeffy’s principles here. He thinks it’s ok to throw someone in prison for something because he doesn’t like him for completely different reasons.

          1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

            Hasn't that been the one true obesity's opinion for a decade? Using the state to enrich his side while jailing his opponents?

            Jeff loves using the state to abuse his enemies.

            1. Mother's Lament (original flavor)   11 months ago

              Yup, this is why I can call Jeff a Nazi, without even resorting to hyperbole.

              1. Wally   11 months ago

                That's really unfair. Nazi's at a minimum pretended to love their country. Jeffy's a communist. Note that his ideology is responsible for more deaths than every other cause combined with the exception of mosquito born disease.

        2. Roberta   11 months ago

          Heck, people should go to Congress for contempt of prison; that'd be worse!

      2. Don't look at me!   11 months ago

        If only he was an immigrant.

      3. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

        Yes jeff, we already know you're a leftist authoritarian who wants to lock your enemies up.

        Great libertarian response. Lol.

        1. chemjeff radical individualist   11 months ago

          That is you Jesse. That is you who cheers when ICE beats up illegals in detention because they are subhuman wretches who deserve what they get, meanwhile, you cry crocodile tears at the 'outrage' that Steve Bannon has to wake up at 6am every day.

          1. R Mac   11 months ago

            Lol, doubling down on the projection.

            “It’s ok that I’m for locking up my enemies, because I also lie about your approval of the state abusing people.”

            — Lying Jeffy

          2. Mother's Lament (original flavor)   11 months ago

            That is you who cheers when ICE beats up illegals in detention because they are subhuman wretches who deserve what they get"

            Some would say this is a strawman, whereas it is in actuality a baldfaced lie.

            1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

              I mean I actually said it should be investigated as I always do. But jeff claims it is lying.

      4. Idaho-Bob   11 months ago

        Anyone who uses "MAGA" as a descriptor cannot be taken seriously.

      5. Mickey Rat   11 months ago

        So it is OK for contempt of Congress charges to be abused if we think the person is bad guy for unrelated reasons that he cannot be charged and punished for?

        Does that road lead anywhere good?

        1. chemjeff radical individualist   11 months ago

          Hey, I'm just using your team's standards here. Steve Bannon deserves what he gets because he broke the law. Isn't that the standard you and your team uses for those filthy dirty illegal vermin?

          1. M L   11 months ago

            Stay on topic. The topic is contempt of Congress. The other "team's standards" appear to be this: They don't prosecute political opponents for contempt of Congress.

            In your view they should start, yes?

            1. R Mac   11 months ago

              You taking bets on an honest answer from Lying Jeffy?

              1. R Mac   11 months ago

                As predicted, Lying Jeffy wouldn’t answer.

          2. Mother's Lament (original flavor)   11 months ago

            Steve Bannon didn’t break the law, you slimy toad. He took his lawyers advice until Trump dropped the claim. All normal procedure unless you happen to be a paid shill for the American Nazi party, or the DoJ for that party.

            1. chemjeff radical individualist   11 months ago

              Steve Bannon didn’t break the law

              2 USC 192

              https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/USCODE-2010-title2/html/USCODE-2010-title2-chap6-sec192.htm

              Every person who having been summoned as a witness by the authority of either House of Congress to give testimony or to produce papers upon any matter under inquiry before either House, or any joint committee established by a joint or concurrent resolution of the two Houses of Congress, or any committee of either House of Congress, willfully makes default, or who, having appeared, refuses to answer any question pertinent to the question under inquiry, shall be deemed guilty of a misdemeanor, punishable by a fine of not more than $1,000 nor less than $100 and imprisonment in a common jail for not less than one month nor more than twelve months.

              1. Medulla Oblongata   11 months ago

                Shit, half of the Biden admin needs to be in prison with Bannon then. I've seen endless videos of them refusing to answer questions, if nothing else.

                And isn't Garland currently in contempt of Congress. Why isn't he in prison?

              2. R Mac   11 months ago

                Look at Lying Jeffy pretend he’s never heard of Executive Privilege and that Democrats use it all the time to ignore subpoenas.

                Do you think he doesn’t actually know this, or is he lying? I’ll let you decide, dear reader.

                1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

                  It is literally the defense Garland is using to ignore a subpoena. Jeff is so dishonest to admit it. Eric Holder as well.

              3. Mother's Lament (original flavor)   11 months ago

                Bannon's lawyers thought that he was eligible for the same executive privilege the Democrats have used a dozen times before, you deranged shill. Which he was thanks to Democratic Party precedent.

                On June 20—the same date as the Oversight Committee vote—President Obama asserted executive privilege over the remaining documents requested by the committee.[138] While Democrats argued that Holder was carrying out his constitutional role by honoring the executive privilege claim, on June 28, 2012

          3. Medulla Oblongata   11 months ago

            Too bad he didn't gang rape a girl as an immigrant. Then he'd be set free.

          4. Wally   11 months ago

            People entering the country illegally should be shot... unless they promise that they are here to hurt you. In that case they've earned citizenship, and a pension.

      6. Mother's Lament (original flavor)   11 months ago

        "This would be the same Steve Bannon who defrauded gullible MAGA dupes out of millions of dollars with his “We Build The Wall” scam, right"

        This is yet another lie.

        1. chemjeff radical individualist   11 months ago

          Reminder: ML is not honest.

          https://reason.com/2024/07/08/ticket-change/?comments=true#comment-10632094

          Trump did not lie during the debate. Not once.

          1. Medulla Oblongata   11 months ago

            It's not a lie if you believe it to be true when you say it.

            1. chemjeff radical individualist   11 months ago

              Are we using the George Costanza standard of ethics now? Okay then, I suppose that means nobody is a liar.

              1. Medulla Oblongata   11 months ago

                Just pointing out that there's a difference between being wrong and lying. The latter requires intent to deceive. If someone earnestly thinks the Mets won the World Series last year, it's more accurate to say they were wrong, and not that they were lying.

                Trump might say "Best economy ever!" and he might actually believe it. Going straight to "He's lying" skips over he's incorrect, facts say otherwise, he's an idiot, or other reasons to disagree. You jump straight to intending to deceive.

              2. R Mac   11 months ago

                Oh no, you’re still a liar. In fact right here you’re lying about not knowing the difference.

              3. Mother's Lament (original flavor)   11 months ago

                "Okay then, I suppose that means nobody is a liar."

                No. YOU are a liar. You still today have failed to show one actual lie, a falsehood, told by Trump during the debate.

                What a garbage human you are, Lying Jeffy.

    4. Kungpowderfinger   11 months ago

      Being found guilty of contempt by a kangaroo court should be punishable by a paid trip to the San Diego Zoo, with free churros included.

  21. Sometimes a Great Notion   11 months ago

    Emily Yoffe makes the case for why the American people have the right to greater transparency about the president's health.

    Well if the American people should have known about a hooker payoff, now by law...

    1. Medulla Oblongata   11 months ago

      Indeed. Sure seems like a conspiracy to defraud the people and manipulate election results.

  22. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

    Democrats seem to be really against ensuring only citizens vote in federal elections.

    https://www.axios.com/2024/07/06/house-democrats-oppose-gop-noncitizen-voting-bill

    1. Yuno Hoo   11 months ago

      The legislation would require non-citizens to be removed from voter registration rolls

      The *horror*!

      1. Don't look at me!   11 months ago

        What a about dead people?

        1. Yuno Hoo   11 months ago

          "Non-citizens can stay attached to dead people if they wish. The bill is fair and reasonable."

  23. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   11 months ago

    Stunning. NYC finally enters the 20th century.

    “Welcome to our trash revolution.” Mayor Adams introduces the new bin that buildings with 1-9 units will be required to use instead of loose bags of garbage.

    https://x.com/_elkue/status/1810316156613329077?s=46&t=qeA47-JjK6vq0pfnxg60dA

    What will NYC do next? Indoor plumbing? Learn to drive cars? Travel west of the Hudson River?

    1. Don't look at me!   11 months ago

      Seems like a small bin for 9 apartments.

      1. Ska   11 months ago

        Yeah, the bins I've seen would be okay for four units max - assuming the units are housing a single person or a couple (which is the norm in that kind of walk-up building). A nine unit building is probably going to need three to four bins and a set for matching recyclables.

        The problem is that these hundred year old walkups don't have foyers or storage rooms to house these bins. There are already first floor commercial spaces that keep the bins outside permanently. Instead of loose bags being thrown out over night at the curb there will be permanent bins in front of all the walkups.

    2. Super Scary   11 months ago

      Now they will get to know the joys of strangers putting their dog poop bags in their bins.

    3. Eeyore   11 months ago

      Can they please please please stay on the east coast?

    4. damikesc   11 months ago

      I love watching our betters learning the wonders of...trash cans.

  24. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   11 months ago

    Russia obliterated Ukraine largest children's hospital?

    OH no where will the ruling class harvest organs now?

    1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

      Did it reveal some gain of function labs?

      1. Don't look at me!   11 months ago

        How much fuel did they have left?

    2. Nobartium   11 months ago

      There is now a non-zero chance zelinsky has adopted Hamas tactics.

  25. chemjeff radical individualist   11 months ago

    Here is some material that Jesse, ML & co. masturbate to:

    “They Treat You Like You Are Worthless”
    Internal DHS Reports of Abuses by US Border Officials

    https://www.hrw.org/report/2021/10/21/they-treat-you-you-are-worthless/internal-dhs-reports-abuses-us-border-officials

    In 2017, a US Border Patrol agent kneed a woman in the lower pelvis, leaving bruises and pain days later, according to her statement to a government official screening her asylum claim. In a separate incident that year, a Border Patrol agent or Customs and Border Protection (CBP) officer forced a girl to undress and then inappropriately touched her. In 2018, a CBP officer hit another asylum applicant so hard he was knocked unconscious and suffered brain swelling. That same year, an officer wearing a green uniform, consistent with those of the Border Patrol, asked an asylum applicant to give him oral sex in exchange for being released from custody. Another asylum applicant was bitten in the testicle by a Border Patrol service dog and denied medical treatment for about one month and ultimately had to have his testicle surgically removed. In 2019, CBP officials appeared to withhold food from a man in a freezing cold holding facility until he agreed to sign a paper that he did not understand.

    1. R Mac (5-30-24, sarc’s too drunk to remember what he thinks about it)   11 months ago

      Always projection from the left.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   11 months ago

        Yup, Jeff always tries to project when jerking off, but usually ends up with a dribble.

        1. Medulla Oblongata   11 months ago

          But just jerking off onto a girl while she is being gang raped by others...you shouldn't get a real punishment for that. It's not like you raped her yourself or anything.

          1. chemjeff radical individualist   11 months ago

            Fuck you. I'm not going to let you get away with this bullshit.

            I never, not once, said that those migrants should not be punished. It is completely dishonest and offensive of you to continually smear me as somehow trying to justify gang rape. I never did and you are a deceitful cunt for continuing to bring it up.

            I only ask that fair standards of justice be applied to the migrants in that case. That is not too much to ask - well, except around here, where migrants are automatically assumed to be inferior beings.

            1. Medulla Oblongata   11 months ago

              What about the semen that is found on the woman’s shirt? Is that the result of rape? Or is that the result of some guy jacking off while watching? That’s gross and possibly illegal but not the same as rape. Should this guy be punished the same as a rapist?

              What about the semen from the guy who regretted it and showed remorse, and the semen from the guy who didn’t? Should they get the same punishment? And let’s keep in mind that they are minors with ethical codes that are not fully developed. That is the whole reason why we don’t try minors as adults for the crimes that they commit.

              Also of note is that the victim was very drunk – which doesn’t excuse the rape, but also means that the victim’s eyewitness testimony isn’t going to be very reliable as to what actually happened.

              Yes. The first is the same as a rapist…he participated in the rape even if he didn’t penetrate her. Second, we do try juveniles as adults when their crimes are especially heinous. Let's not even talk about "showed remorse" and so should get a lighter sentence.

              I don’t want them to face harsher penalties because they are migrants. That’s completely 180-degrees from my position, which is that it was inconceivable that their defense seemed to revolve around their immigration status. It seems that they were downgraded because they were migrants.

              –A female psychiatrist testifying on behalf of the defendants argued that their alleged gang rape was a “means of releasing frustration and anger” stemming from their “migration experiences and socio-cultural homelessness,” according to the Hamburger Morgenpost.–

              Indeed, my initial comment was on the article that pointed out that apparently the crime of saying mean things to immigrants on twitter is WORSE than gang raping a teenage girl.

              Woman Convicted Of “Offending” Migrant Gang Rapists Receives Longer Prison Sentence Than The Rapists

              But you had to come in and accuse me of “wanting to create a bigoted impression that migrants are just inherently violent?” when my stated position was “Anyway, it’s just the price young women will have to pay for a more open society.” because apparently in some cultures rape is an acceptable thing and we are clearly being unreasonable to expect migrants from other cultures to follow the rules here.

              1. R Mac   11 months ago

                Displaying righteous indignation while straight up lying about what he said is something a psychopath would do.

                1. Mother's Lament (original flavor)   11 months ago

                  It’s something Jeff, gang-rape-apologist-extraordinaire, would do.

                  1. R Mac   11 months ago

                    Also a good description of a psychopath.

              2. chemjeff radical individualist   11 months ago

                Okay, then I don't think we disagree all that strongly then. I don't think a guy watching a rape should get the same punishment as the guy doing the raping, and I disagree in general with the idea that juveniles should be punished as adults, but if you are saying that these migrants should be treated according to an appropriate and fair standard of justice that is independent of their migrant status, even if we disagree on what that standard ought to be, then I think we agree on the larger point.

                You do understand, however, that people like Jesse come here deliberately to post stories about migrants behaving badly, in order to create a bigoted negative narrative about migrants generally, right? So I am understandably going to be critical of any story which tries to stereotype or generalize migrants as violent thugs as a group.

                1. Medulla Oblongata   11 months ago

                  I don't think if a bunch of white guys wearing Trump t-shirts gang-raped a drunk 16-year old illegal immigrant in an Atlanta park that you'd be arguing that the one that showed remorse should get a lighter sentence, or that the 17-year olds should be tried as juveniles, or that the guy who only jacked on onto her face should not get the same punishment that the ones who actually penetrated her. Nor do I think you would be saying that her drunkenness somehow overrides the positive DNA matches.

                  And feel pretty strongly that you would not entertain any excuse like "their white supremacist upbringing made the girl non-human, just an object, so in their mind they were not raping a person" or "The psychological damage of their long-term involuntary celibacy needs to be understood as they needed a release for their frustration and anger".

                  Sadly, though, European and American societies seem to want to find any excuse possible to allow abhorrent behavior, and it seems that there is a shit-ton of "Well, migrants can't be expected to [not rape people, not murder people]." and to actively ignore child-rape rings (Rotherham , Derby, Newcastle, Manchester...it's a long list) because "The failure to address the abuse was attributed to a combination of factors revolving around race, class, religion and gender—fear that the perpetrators' ethnicity would trigger allegations of racism."

                  1. R Mac   11 months ago

                    Lying Jeffy is evil.

                    1. Mother's Lament (original flavor)   11 months ago

                      This.

                      Jeff is a monster.

            2. Medulla Oblongata   11 months ago

              If it had been a group of white German nationalists, who gang raped a drunk immigrant girl, I'm fully disbelieving that you would make the same comments.

              OTOH, they would NOT have had phycologists lining up to excuse their culture as the basis for their actions.

              Meanwhile, I'd have them all under the jail.

    2. sarcasmic   11 months ago

      At the worst this is mistreatment of animals, being that the “victims” didn’t have their papers in order.
      Human beings have government papers.

      Total nothingburger.

      Anyone who disagrees is a leftist.

      1. R Mac (5-30-24, sarc’s too drunk to remember what he thinks about it)   11 months ago

        Always projection from the left.

      2. chemjeff radical individualist   11 months ago

        Yeah who gives a fuck. They had it coming. They shouldn’t have come here in the first place. Liberty and rights only belong to the anointed ones, Real Murican Citizens.

        Meanwhile, read above about how Steve Bannon, pardoned fraudster political prisoner, is being treated in prison. Why, he has to wake up at 6am every day! The horror! It’s an outrage! It’s a total abuse!

        1. Don't look at me!   11 months ago

          They should have just jerked off on them. No foul.

        2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

          You two retards know you have given nothing but one sided claims right? And you two retards cheered on the abuse of J6 protestors lol.

          Should they be abused? No. But would like the actual facts of the situations. Not the bleeding heart one sided narratives you guys seem to only latch on to for non citizens. Meanwhole you cheer on abuses of citizens.

          Also weird watching you two ignore the rapes, murders, and assaults by illegal immigrants.

          What was your statements again? It was rare? So you've given us less than 5 stories for millions of illegals in custody over 3 years. Yet you deny the 660000 documented crimes by illegals in the last 3 years.

          Weird neutrality jeff.

          1. chemjeff radical individualist   11 months ago

            Should they be abused? No.

            Oh, what a bold stand! You meekly state that "they shouldn't be abused" while you do everything in your power to make sure more of them will be abused. You continually push the narrative of illegals as nothing more than violent thugs and lazy moochers. You push for policies that gives more power to ICE agents to round them all up. You vote for the team that treats them like subhuman filth. Sorry, I don't believe you are sincere in your claim that you don't really want them to be abused. I think you don't really give a shit if they are abused or not.

            1. sarcasmic   11 months ago

              I’m sure he opposes kicking dogs. Though I’m sure he’d be outraged if someone treated a dog the way he’d like to see illegals treated.

              1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

                Amazing how you two can do nothing but emote with your arguments.

                1. Mother's Lament (original flavor)   11 months ago

                  Sarcasmic is an utterly evil piece of shit now too. He’s started advocating seriously horrible stuff lately.

                  At first he was just trolling and white knighting for Kkkreamjeff and Shrike, but now he is a true believer.

            2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

              while you do everything in your power to make sure more of them will be abused.

              What power? What an emotional response. Fact free cries of false empathy.

              Claims should be investigated and agents fired if true. But you posted solely allegations. Just like you posted the horse back agents whipping illegals. How did that lie of yours turn out Jeff?

              You vote for the team that treats them like subhuman filth.

              More emotional outbursts. Do you have any actual argument besides leftist emotional outbursts?

              How am I treating them like subhuman filth? By making them follow laws like every other human in the country? By not supporting giving them 150B a year stolen by government from other humans?

              Jeff, youre an emotional and retarded piece of shit devoid of any actual intelligent argument. Why you are a leftist. Lol.

              Sorry, I don’t believe you are sincere in your claim that you don’t really want them to be abused.

              Because I'm consistent? You defend migrants raping minors for fuck sakes. Lol.

              1. chemjeff radical individualist   11 months ago

                What power?

                The power of your voice and the power of your vote. You come here virtually every single fucking day with stories about illegals behaving badly. Why? Why do you push these stories every day, if not to push a narrative that illegal immigrants as a group are horrible people?

                Claims should be investigated and agents fired if true.

                Yeah, I don't think you really give a shit about this. I'll believe you are sincere when YOU are the one who finds the stories about ICE agents behaving badly and post them here as examples of government abuse. Have you ever done that? No, it's always the other way around - defending ICE agents when they are 'unfairly maligned' by just 'doing their jobs'.

                How am I treating them like subhuman filth? By making them follow laws like every other human in the country?

                With your very clear double standard. "If they didn't want to be mistreated by the authorities, they shouldn't have broken the law in the first place" is a standard you would never apply to people in your own tribe. Look at how you talk about the 'abuse' that Steve Bannon suffers when he is forced to wake up at 6am every day!
                You very clearly see them as inferior compared to the Real Murican Patriots on your team.

                1. sarcasmic   11 months ago

                  Funny how he professes his undying hatred for "leftists," but behaves exactly like those he hates.

                  His playbook for demonizing illegal immigrants is exactly the same as the one dishonest "leftists" use regarding gun control.

                  Exactly the same.

                  He is just like the people he hates. Same mendacity, same dearth or morality, same dishonest tactics.

                  Only difference is he worships Trump instead of Obama.

                  1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

                    I like how posting facts and evidence is hatred. You two are fucking clowns lol. Meanwhile you will post any unfounded claim within evidence as facts to push your narratives.

                    You two are honestly fucking dishonest jokes. It is hilarious.

            3. R Mac   11 months ago

              Fucking psychopath.

              1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

                His and sarcs arguments are pure emotionally driven strawmen arguments. They know they have no actual facts on their side.

        3. damikesc   11 months ago

          Hell, given that they trespassed, don't you support them being killed?

      3. Medulla Oblongata   11 months ago

        Seems like they always ask me for my papers when I buy a gun or ammunition. And have you filled out Form 4473? Also when I register a bank account (had to find my ORIGINAL SS card for that one after we moved and wanted a local bank). Or get onto a plane. Or buy beer (even though I'm almost 60). And every time I get pulled over it's "License & registration please" AND I have to include my CCW just so they know.

    3. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

      DHS won’t even let them rape minors!

      Jeff, you know how migrants don’t get into these situations?

      Also weird to see you cry about detaining illegals for entry when you cheered no bail J6 defendants. Maybe you really do think immigrants have enhanced rights. Most of these people are free to return at anytime to avoid detention.

      But we know you actually want to give them free hotels with maid service, food, and shelter while living free.

      From Jeff's link...

      These are just some of the allegations of abuse catalogued in internal US Department of Homeland Security (DHS) reports received by Human Rights Watch on September 24, 2021 via the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA).

      Allegations. To an activist group. No actual evidence.

      Weren't you and sarc claiming these stories are gunned up to foment anger when people note the rapes and murders from illegal immigrants. Lol.

      1. chemjeff radical individualist   11 months ago

        Jeff, you know how migrants don’t get into these situations?

        Yup, there we go, the inevitable: “they had it coming because they broke the law”.

        Standards of justice don't apply to illegals. They're subhuman vermin after all.

        Funny how you don’t apply this standard to Steve Bannon. Maybe if he had just obeyed the law he wouldn’t be subjected to the ‘torture’ of being forced to wake up at 6am every day.

        1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

          Jeff. Can you show more than an allegations stated by an advocacy group?

          And you're still defending the contempt charge for Bannon lol. Despite the initial immunity claims like Garland is using. God damn you're a leftist shill. With Bannon we KNOW the factual evidence. It isnt an allegation.

          Is this story time with fat jeff?

          1. chemjeff radical individualist   11 months ago

            Repeat after me:

            "If Bannon had just obeyed the law, he wouldn't be in prison right now."

            That is the standard that you hold illegals to, why can't you apply this standard to one of your team's most powerful elites?

            1. sarcasmic   11 months ago

              Standard Trump Defense: A Democrat did it first and worse, so that makes it ok.

              1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

                We know you’re retarded. And support one sided criminal law like a good authoritarian leftist.

              2. R Mac   11 months ago

                Wtf does this even mean?

            2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

              Bannon did obey the law based on even current precedent. See Garland claiming presidential immunity to avoid a subpoena. Just like Bannon did.

              Jeff. Are you retarded?

              1. chemjeff radical individualist   11 months ago

                Bannon did obey the law based on even current precedent.

                Funny, that doesn't stop you from treating asylum seekers as "illegals" even when they apply for asylum legally.

                1. Medulla Oblongata   11 months ago

                  A large % of asylum seekers are claiming asylum fraudulently, because they've been advised that making a claim of asylum is what they should do to stay, even if they are lying when they make the claim.

                  1. R Mac   11 months ago

                    The people instructing them to lie are the same people that pay Lying Jeffy to come here and lie.

                  2. chemjeff radical individualist   11 months ago

                    The asylum seekers are entitled, by law, to apply for asylum any time they set foot on American soil, and it doesn't have to be at a port of entry. They are also entitled, by law, to have their application reviewed according to the statutory due process. During that time, the migrants are not "illegals". They are following the law to the letter.

                    Don't like it? Change the law. That's what you and your team always tell me, right?

              2. R Mac   11 months ago

                All this projection, spin, and flat out lying, because they can’t just say it’s wrong for only their political enemies being thrown in prison for contempt of Congress.

                It’s actually amazing.

            3. Jefferson Paul   11 months ago

              Alright, chemjeff. Answer the one question without bloviating about something else to avoid it:

              If the law is the law, and no one is above the law, do you support Garland being locked?

              Yes or no?

              You've made it clear that Bannon deserves what he got for "violating the law." Now Garland is doing the EXACT FUCKING THING. Do you want him locked up too, or are you just a hypocrite?

              1. R Mac   11 months ago

                https://reason.com/2024/07/09/biden-blames-the-elites/?comments=true#comment-10632875

                1. Jefferson Paul   11 months ago

                  I already read chemjeff’s post that you linked. He’s indicating that Bannon broke the law, so he deserves to be jailed. He never came out and stated that Garland should not be jailed. It seems clear that IS his view, as he refuses to answer the simple yes or no that I, and many others before me, have asked him to.

                  He can either say yes, Garland should be jailed, and not be a hypocrite, or he can say no, he shouldn’t, for “reasons” or because that’s (D)ifferent, and make it crystal clear he is a partisan hypocrite.

                  *Edit: I just noticed you were linking to your comment about how he won't answer, and not to the one a little below where he pasts the statute about contempt of congress.

                  1. R Mac   11 months ago

                    There’s a lot of other examples besides Garland.

                    More important being Eric Holder.

                    Ask him about that.

              2. chemjeff radical individualist   11 months ago

                I don’t believe in slavish devotion to the law. If the law itself is unjust, then it shouldn’t be obeyed or enforced on anyone. But it isn’t me who goes around saying “those damn illegals broke the law therefore they deserve what they get”. That is Jesse’s team. I am pointing out that they don’t really believe it – it is that team which makes the “That’s Diffe(R)ent” excuse-making, as evidenced by their characterization of Steve Bannon as a “political prisoner”. Maybe you need to ask Jesse and his team why they are defending Bannon when they claim to support the rule of law and they are the ones that claim to have a slavish devotion to the law.

                I also don’t believe in blanket, broad comparisons between two superficially similar events. Sure both Bannon and Garland were charged with contempt of Congress, but in different situations with different circumstances, and those matter. Just like, the guy who kills his cheating wife’s lover, and the guy who kills 6 million Jews in an act of genocide, are both guilty of murder, but in very different senses of the word. They’re not equivalent situations and they shouldn't be treated exactly the same.

                So if you want to try to claim that the law that makes defying a Congressional subpoena a crime, is an unjust law, then go ahead and try to make that case. If you want to try to claim that the particular circumstances surrounding Bannon’s prosecution makes that application of the law unjust, while the particular circumstances surrounding Garland’s contempt charge make that application just, then go ahead and try to make that case. I believe in the fair application of standards of justice, I don’t believe in making stupid false equivalences.

                1. sarcasmic   11 months ago

                  You don't get it.

                  What matters is who, not what. That way guilt or innocence can be determined without looking at the law and the circumstances.

                  Are they legal? Are they MAGA? If you answered yes to those questions then they didn't do anything wrong.

                  It's not that difficult.

                  1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

                    The only two people here who openly support disparate execution of the law is you two leftist retards. Lol.

        2. sarcasmic   11 months ago

          Illegals are animals because they don't have government papers.

          That means they don't have human rights because they aren't human.

          There are still laws against cruelty to animals, and they do apply to illegals too. But you really need to stop talking about them like they are people. They're not.

          1. TrickyVic (old school)   11 months ago

            Have you ever been to another country?

            1. sarcasmic   11 months ago

              Great point. Other countries are mean to immigrants, so that makes it ok. Impeccable logic. Totally unassailable. I assume that means our government should shell out free college and free healthcare because other countries do it too. What? You only mean immigration? Ohhhhhh. Ok.

              1. TrickyVic (old school)   11 months ago

                Woooooooooossshhhhh

                What are you even talking about?

                Your attempt of trying to deflect from the fact that countries require you to enter legally is pathetic.

                1. sarcasmic   11 months ago

                  Was that wooooosh the sound of you jumping off a bridge because everyone else did?

                  Oh, and contrary to the lies that are routinely posted about me, I am in favor of making legal immigration easy in order to disincentivize illegal immigration.

                  https://reason.org/wp-content/uploads/files/a87d1550853898a9b306ef458f116079.pdf

                  The current system is absurd. It creates an incentive for people who are unable or unwilling to go through the legal process to come illegally.

                  What I oppose is treating those people like animals.

                  1. TrickyVic (old school)   11 months ago

                    Doubling down on stupid?

                    1. sarcasmic   11 months ago

                      Sure Jesse Jr. Whatever you say. If you want to be like him when you grow up, you're off to a good start.

                    2. TrickyVic (old school)   11 months ago

                      Yeah, when can no longer argue the issue, go to name calling.

                    3. sarcasmic   11 months ago

                      Because recognizing that the current system is fucked and wanting to see it changed isn't an argument.

                      Sure Jesse Jr.

                    4. TrickyVic (old school)   11 months ago

                      ""Because recognizing that the current system is fucked and wanting to see it changed isn’t an argument.""

                      That's valid, but also requires that they follow whatever changes are made and we are talking about a subset of people who don't give a fuck about what the law says.

                      Unless you take the position that they must follow the law, no change in the law would matter.

                    5. sarcasmic   11 months ago

                      Do you apply that same standard to Trump? If so you could get into some serious trouble with the troll patrol.

                    6. TrickyVic (old school)   11 months ago

                      ""The logic for treating illegals like animals is that if they don’t follow immigration law, they don’t follow any laws. ""

                      Who is trying to treat them like animals?

                      The issue is what to do if they illegally enter. Sending them back is not animalistic.

                    7. sarcasmic   11 months ago

                      Hated underclass scapegoats are always treated like animals. Whether you intend it or not.

                    8. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

                      All safc and Jeff have is emotional drivel lol.

                      Apparently not funding illegals to 150B a year is equivalent to calling them animals. Quite the leap of logic.

                  2. TrickyVic (old school)   11 months ago

                    ""I am in favor of making legal immigration easy in order to disincentivize illegal immigration.""

                    If people are not following the law, why do you think they would follow your law?

                    "" It creates an incentive for people who are unable or unwilling to go through the legal process to come illegally.""

                    I disagree. People seeing that other people made the trip and are given money (vouchers), places to stay, ect is the incentive.

                    I've never heard were a law that says you can't do X is an incentive for doing X.

                    ""What I oppose is treating those people like animals.""

                    Expecting them to follow the law does not treat them like animals.

                    1. sarcasmic   11 months ago

                      You're defending the current system and mocking anyone who says it has flaws. You also defend the current system by saying other countries are as bad or worse.

                      Looks like one big appeal to authority to me.

                    2. sarcasmic   11 months ago

                      If people are not following the law, why do you think they would follow your law?

                      bastiat.org no longer works. Dang.

                      https://cdn.mises.org/thelaw.pdf

                      According to Bastiat, for the law to be respected the law must be respectable.

                      According to you the law is the litmus test for one's morality, and questioning it or failure to obey is the difference between a human and an animal.

                    3. TrickyVic (old school)   11 months ago

                      Expecting them to follow whatever changes you make in the law could also be called appeal to authority.

                      ""by saying other countries are as bad or worse.""

                      Bad and worse are your words, not mine.

                      We have the most liberal immigration system in the world. Sure it could use tweeking, but again, if people are not interested in following the law, they are not going to follow any change that is reasonable in your mind.

                    4. TrickyVic (old school)   11 months ago

                      ""According to Bastiat, for the law to be respected the law must be respectable.""

                      Respectable to who? The individual? Society?

                    5. chemjeff radical individualist   11 months ago

                      If people are not following the law, why do you think they would follow your law?

                      Here is a thought.

                      Perhaps, the reason why most illegal immigrants break the law by crossing the border illegally, is NOT because they are inherently bad people who are prone to breaking any law. Perhaps, the reason why most illegal immigrants break the law by crossing the border illegally, is because they are desperate people put in a difficult situation trying to take care of their families.

                      The desperate father who steals bread to feed his starving child is not committing theft because he is some type of sociopath. He's doing it because he has few other recourses left to take care of his family.

                    6. sarcasmic   11 months ago

                      if people are not interested in following the law, they are not going to follow any change that is reasonable in your mind.

                      I completely disagree. You equate failure to follow unjust laws with a disregard for the law in general. By your logic everyone who smoked pot in states before they legalized recreational use was a potential murderer. After all, they weren’t interested in following the law. And they all still buy on the black market because fuck laws. Right?

                    7. TrickyVic (old school)   11 months ago

                      Does Trump concept of morality overrule the laws of the land?

                    8. sarcasmic   11 months ago

                      Does Trump concept of morality overrule the laws of the land?

                      First you have to convince me that he has a sense of morality, and that will be a hard sell.

                    9. TrickyVic (old school)   11 months ago

                      ""By your logic everyone who smoked pot in states before they legalized recreational use was a potential murderer.""

                      Wrong, they would be subject to laws against pot, not murder.

                      You are bad at analogies.

                    10. TrickyVic (old school)   11 months ago

                      ""First you have to convince me that he has a sense of morality.

                      I'm pretty sure Bastiat didn't put you in charge of morality.

                    11. sarcasmic   11 months ago

                      The logic for treating illegals like animals is that if they don’t follow immigration law, they don’t follow any laws. They are illegal by nature. Their very existence is illegal. So yes it is a very apt analogy, especially considering that many of the arguments against them involve bringing up instances where an illegal committed a heinous crime against another person, with a clear implication that those who don’t respect immigration law don’t respect laws against murder and rape.

                      Get your arguments straight.

                    12. sarcasmic   11 months ago

                      I’m pretty sure Bastiat didn’t put you in charge of morality.

                      People with a moral sense have an innate sense of right and wrong.

                      Those who do not have a moral sense have no such compass. Right and wrong is simply what they can get away with.

                      I have a moral sense, and I'm realizing that it makes me an oddball.

                    13. TrickyVic (old school)   11 months ago

                      ""People with a moral sense have an innate sense of right and wrong.""

                      Everyone has a sense of morals which may or may not meet your standards. Who decides which morals have the ability to usurp the law?

                    14. sarcasmic   11 months ago

                      Like I said, bastiat.org is down.

                      One thing he says in “The Law” which I found compelling because it is a choice I had to make, is this:

                      “When law and morality contradict each other, the citizen has the cruel alternative of either losing his moral sense or losing his respect for the law.”

                      I liked bastiat.org because it was searchable. This link is not. But it’s worth reading.

                      https://cdn.mises.org/thelaw.pdf

                      Unless you want to be a Jesse Jr forever.

                    15. sarcasmic   11 months ago

                      His point is that for the law to be respected, it must be respectable.

                      I don't respect laws that are not worthy of respect. Do you?

                    16. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

                      Sarc accuses others of treating immigrants as animals them claims others are mocking him. Amazingly retarded.

                    17. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

                      Sarc, you completely misread and misunderstand Bastiat lol. You treat his comparison of laws and morality to someone describing anarchy. During his time there was an agreed to set of morality amongst most. Often found in religion and other social groups.

                      You treat the appeal to morality as an appeal to an individuals morals. Yet you see your issue when you then claim Trump has no morals so his morality doesn’t matter. You’ve now put your morals above others when morality is a discussion of right or wrong.

                      The way you treat this essay by Bastiat as an excuse making to make your beliefs superior over others without any intellectual discussion on what morality is. You just assume you’re moral, fuck everyone else, fuck defending your morals. A very authoritarian view of that essay.

                      In his time morality was discussed amongst individuals to reach shared baselines, it was not treated as an individual standard. They would use logic to defend their views on morality. Their views were not Supreme to others just because they said so.

                      This is why you get made fun of for not being intelligent.

                    18. sarcasmic   11 months ago

                      I unmuted the village fuckstick and was immediately reminded why I keep it on mute.

                      An effective response would require breaking down the post sentence by sentence, and you just aren't worth the effort. You are human garbage with a half a dozen idiots in tow. Not worth it.

                      TrickyVic, I like you. You're not a cunt like Jesse and his friends. I encourage you to read some Bastiat. It might change your perspective on things.

                    19. sarcasmic   11 months ago

                      Everyone has a sense of morals which may or may not meet your standards.

                      How do you define morals? I think of them as self restraint.

                    20. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

                      Sarc. Please refute it lol. Would love to see the retarded sophistry.

                      And nobody believes you mute.

                      Does lying to yourself make you feel intelligent or something? Intentionally not understanding what your reference is about is a demonstration of how non intelligent you actually are.

                      You can’t refute what was stated because you dont understand the essay.

                      You use the reference as a cudgel for a fact free pre declaration of your morals are correct so your views are correct. That’s not what the essay say ls you retarded fuck. You can admit you only read the quote and not the essay. Be honest for once.

                      How do you define morals? I think of them as self restraint.

                      Because youre a retard. Lol.

                      The problem with morals are there are many competing moralistic frameworks. From individualist to religious.

                      https://www.britannica.com/topic/moral-theology

                      Cultural basis of morality is a big and widely discussed topic. But youre such a simpleton you condensed it to simply what you believe and refuse to even acknowledge it isnt black and white.

                      You could at least read the wiki entry lol.

                      Morality (from Latin moralitas ‘manner, character, proper behavior’) is the categorization of intentions, decisions and actions into those that are proper (right) and those that are improper (wrong).[1] Morality can be a body of standards or principles derived from a code of conduct from a particular philosophy, religion or culture, or it can derive from a standard that is understood to be universal.

                      This is more proof you dont understand what Bastiat actually is saying you retarded fuck.

          2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

            The only people calling them animals are yours and Jeff's strawman.

            Can you guys combine your minimal intellect together you form just under average human intelligence and make a real argument?

            1. TrickyVic (old school)   11 months ago

              Trump used the word animals when talking about the gang problem in Long Island. He was referring to people who would chop your kid with a machete. The left jumped on that to claim he was talking about immigrants in general. Which he wasn't.

              Here is an example of gangs and machetes.
              https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/five-gang-members-sentenced-machete-slaying-nyc-teen-bodega-junior-lesandro-guzman-feliz/1992192/

              1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

                Oh I know the dishonesty sarc and Jeff are using. They also cried about his using the word blood and vermin to refer to violent criminals.

                The left loves to use arguments like Jeff and Sarc do here to have it to apply to all illegal immigrants and even legal immigrants because both of them are also lying leftists.

                But their specific claim was about people here calling illegal immigrants animals. Sarc and Jeff love their lies.

            2. chemjeff radical individualist   11 months ago

              Oh spare me your sophistry.
              Jesse: "I will spend every day posting story after story about illegal immigrants committing violent crimes, mooching on welfare, doing horrible things, with the clear intent of pushing a narrative of illegal immigrants as a group as horrible people. But don't you dare say that I called them 'animals'! Why, that's an insult to my honor!"

              1. sarcasmic   11 months ago

                Pretty much.

                1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

                  Do you get your head patted by Jeff's hand or his gut overhang?

        3. R Mac   11 months ago

          “Maybe if he had just obeyed the law he wouldn’t be subjected to the ‘torture’ of being forced to wake up at 6am every day.”

          Imagine conflating being in prison with having to get up at 6 am. Who would do that? An authoritarian psychopath, that’s who.

    4. VinniUSMC (Banana Republic Day 5/30/24)   11 months ago

      This jeffy/sarc circle jerk is fucking hilarious. You two deserve each other, and a good beating.

      1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

        That's why I can never mute them lol.

      2. MK Ultra   11 months ago

        Fat fucker seems even dumber than usual today. He's never right, but also never in doubt.

        1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

          He gets like this anytime his dems or leftists are losing ground.

    5. Medulla Oblongata   11 months ago

      I hope the agents involved are investigated, and if charges are supported, that they are charged and prosecuted. Mistreatment of people under your charge/authority is wrong.

      Having said that, this seems to just be deflection on your part.

    6. Eeyore   11 months ago

      That is a really challenging wank.

      1. VinniUSMC (Banana Republic Day 5/30/24)   11 months ago

        RIP Mr Lock

  26. Earth-based Human Skeptic   11 months ago

    'President Joe Biden tries new approach: For his latest excuse regarding his cognitive decline and subsequent refusal to step down, President Joe Biden is attempting to portray himself as an embattled outsider who has earned the scorn of Democratic Party elites.'

    And by President Joe Biden you mean Dr. Jill and the other inner circle members working hard to save the brand, while Old Man Joe Biden's naps, right?

    1. R Mac (5-30-24, sarc’s too drunk to remember what he thinks about it)   11 months ago

      “Naps” is the new “shits his pants”.

  27. Earth-based Human Skeptic   11 months ago

    'Biden is now "counting on the support of African-American Democrats and his union allies as his last line of defense," reports Politico. "It's a playbook Biden has turned to in the past, portraying his detractors as mostly elite white liberals who are out of step with the more diverse and working-class grassroots of the party."'

    Yup, that true Democratic core who are all in for sex-changing children and forgiving rich kids' student loans.

    1. Quo Usque Tandem   11 months ago

      Whatever [they think] it takes to get the votes, man!

      When you live in a blue bubble, the world looks a little different to you.

    2. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   11 months ago

      Well, compared to bowman, and the rest of the cbc, Biden looks like a genius

  28. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   11 months ago

    "...President Joe Biden is attempting to portray himself as an embattled outsider..."

    Well, yeah. Reality is calling and leakin' Joe isn't gonna answer.

  29. chemjeff radical individualist   11 months ago

    So here we go: The new GOP platform.

    https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4760251-read-rnc-panel-approved-trump-centric-platform/

    The top two items (in Trump-esque ALL CAPS, of course):

    1. SEAL THE BORDER, AND STOP THE MIGRANT INVASION
    2. CARRY OUT THE LARGEST DEPORTATION OPERATION IN AMERICAN HISTORY

    So, go ahead and read it, and when you're done pleasuring yourselves to the idea of mass deportations, please note that this is what they chose to be their #1 and #2 items, what they are most proud of. They CANNOT WAIT to round up those filthy dirty illegals and ship them back to their shithole countries.

    So, if they want to do the "LARGEST DEPORTATION OPERATION IN AMERICAN HISTORY", how will this be accomplished? Of course they don't really say. I submit that there is no way to execute the "largest deportation operation in American history" with any measure of success, that does not wind up violating the rights of citizens and legal residents. But I guess the rest of you are totally okay with completely scrapping the Fourth Amendment now?

    This is how we get to a "papieren bitte" regime. Not by some dictator imposing it on the people by sheer force. We get it from a guy like Trump who is enthusiastically cheered on by his MAGA cult demanding that he violate their rights in order to punish the scapegoated "other".

    1. Don't look at me!   11 months ago

      LOL at the panic.
      “If people won’t do the right thing voluntarily, the government is forced to take action.”

    2. sarcasmic   11 months ago

      Anyone who values personal liberty over cleansing the blood of the nation is a leftist.

      1. Don't look at me!   11 months ago

        It’s the chocolate Jesus method.
        https://www.youtube.com/shorts/1ZY32-E0rHg

      2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

        Funny how a few weeks ago you were pretending you never inferred or called Trump Hitler. But since that NY Mag piece came out you do it daily.

    3. Nobartium   11 months ago

      I guess it's time to modify this:

      If your democracy cannot survive Trump voters choosing the wrong thing, then it isn't a system worth defending on it's own merits.

      1. Don't look at me!   11 months ago

        Funny thing is, we did survive trump. Pretty well.

    4. TrickyVic (old school)   11 months ago

      ""2. CARRY OUT THE LARGEST DEPORTATION OPERATION IN AMERICAN HISTORY""

      FYI, something over 60% of Americans agree.
      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/poll-shows-a-shocking-62-of-voters-on-both-sides-favor-mass-deportation-of-illegal-immigrants/ss-BB1o5KGw

      Let's do the democracy thing and have a vote on it.

    5. JFree   11 months ago

      That ALL CAPS platform - not just the top two but all 20 main points -and randomly capitalized punctuated words throughout is odd. Clearly they forgot the two last parts of the platform.

      21. STOP SHOUTING!!
      22. NO YOU STOP SHOUTING!!

      1. R Mac   11 months ago

        Lmao, or should I say LMAO, at crying about using all caps.

        OMG, LOOK AT THE DEMOCRATS USING BOTH ALL
        CAPS AND BOLD LISTING THEIR PLANKS!

        https://democrats.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/2020-Democratic-Party-Platform.pdf

        Fucking clown.

        1. Don't look at me!   11 months ago

          LoL

        2. Super Scary   11 months ago

          All caps is a sign of white supremacy.

        3. JFree   11 months ago

          So you like paRty platforms in ALL CAPS w randOMLY Capitalized words and '!! punctuation?

          Or do you only like an R version because a D version is evil and Marxist CapitalizATIon!!

          It's almost like you are not self-aware to realize BOAF SIDEZ.

          1. R Mac   11 months ago

            I don’t give a shit either way clown. You’re the one who got all butthurt because Republicans did it.

            What do you think of the rest of the formatting? Down right Nazi-like, amiright?

            1. JFree   11 months ago

              I didn’t point that out because it was R. I didn’t even mention R. I pointed out that it is odd.

              You’re the one who got butthurt that poor widdle R’s are the victim of something while big bad D’s are getting a free pass. So YOU ARE THE ONE WHO DELIBERATELY MADE IT ABOUT D’s instead.

              You're pathetic. Like most R's. Amirite? Amirite?

              1. Don't look at me!   11 months ago

                Loser

              2. R Mac   11 months ago

                Everyone can read your comment clown. Don’t be like jeffsarc.

              3. chemjeff radical individualist   11 months ago

                Troll Mac is a pathetic troll, that is correct.

                1. R Mac   11 months ago

                  JFree 14 hours ago
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                  That ALL CAPS platform – not just the top two but all 20 main points

                  JFree 10 hours ago
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                  Or do you only like an R version because a D version is evil and Marxist CapitalizATIon!!

                  JFree 8 hours ago
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                  I didn’t point that out because it was R. I didn’t even mention R.

                  I see why Lying Jeffy is making overtures to jfree.

          2. VinniUSMC (Banana Republic Day 5/30/24)   11 months ago

            w randOMLY Capitalized words and ‘!! punctuation?

            Are the randomly capitalized words and punctuation in the room with us now? Are you having a stroke?

    6. TrickyVic (old school)   11 months ago

      ""This is how we get to a “papieren bitte” regime.""

      Pretty much already there. Do you have your REAL ID yet?

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   11 months ago

        Not to mention the NSA tracking your every move online.

        1. TrickyVic (old school)   11 months ago

          I can't go to Mexico or Canada without showing ID.

          Funny how making people do what I have to do is somehow wrong without it being wrong towards me.

          1. Red Rocks White Privilege   11 months ago

            Fuck, I can't even exercise my actual 2nd Amendment right as a citizen without the FBI crawling up my ass. What the fuck is chemtard complaining about here, that he might have to get his fat ass outside and mow his own yard for once?

            1. TrickyVic (old school)   11 months ago

              Sadly there was no battle regarding papers please and domestic spying. There was no fight. There was acceptance and excuses.

              What some people don't get is papers please is fading out. It's identity please and it's moving to electronic means such as your phone.

          2. chemjeff radical individualist   11 months ago

            This isn't about having to show ID when crossing a border. This is about having to show ID *within the country* in order to prove to the authorities that you're not one of those dirty filthy illegals who deserves to be deported.

            Right now the Fourth Amendment protects our rights to walk around in public without being required to have ID. That's going to go away with these "MASS DEPORTATION" schemes.

            1. Nobartium   11 months ago

              You already do that, it's called your driver's license.

            2. TrickyVic (old school)   11 months ago

              ""This is about having to show ID *within the country* in order to prove to the authorities that you’re not one of those dirty filthy illegals who deserves to be deported.""

              Your claim of dirty filthy aside, illegals do deserve to be deported. You seem to make the name calling the key element, not the fact that they should be deported.

              I have to do that on many occasions. I even have to show ID to enter most buildings in NYC. Soon you will need to have a particular ID (Real ID) to enter federal buildings or fly.

              You have to prove your identity digitally to access some websites (multi-factor authentication).

              1. chemjeff radical individualist   11 months ago

                I will agree that ID requirements are too strict in many cases.

                However, there is a qualitative difference between your examples and what I am saying. In your examples, you have to present ID in order to perform some voluntary activity - go to a building, fly on a plane. Theoretically, you can choose not to do those things, and therefore not to show ID. I'm talking about being required to present ID *just for existing* - one has no choice but to have ID and present it on demand regardless of any voluntary choice that one might make. That is much different, and that is what runs afoul of the Fourth Amendment.

            3. Don't look at me!   11 months ago

              Like vaccine passports?

            4. TrickyVic (old school)   11 months ago

              ""This isn’t about having to show ID when crossing a border.""

              Actually, it is. If everyone entered legally, the illegal alien argument would go away.

              1. R Mac   11 months ago

                Yeah, it’s exactly what this is about. But just look at Lying Jeffy go!

            5. Red Rocks White Privilege   11 months ago

              This is about having to show ID *within the country* in order to prove to the authorities that you’re not one of those dirty filthy illegals who deserves to be deported.

              If I have to do that just to get on an airplane or buy a firearm, they can do that to show they're actually allowed to be here.

          3. R Mac   11 months ago

            I go to Canada fishing every fall. Guess what I have to do to get back in my own country?

      2. Nobartium   11 months ago

        In order to get back into the US, all citizens have to have papers.

        We've been doing it for so long nobody questions it.

      3. Ajsloss   11 months ago

        I would guess he was in favor of covid passports, too.

        1. Don't look at me!   11 months ago

          Still is.

    7. Red Rocks White Privilege   11 months ago

      So, basically the same platform they had in the 1920s and 1950s, before the northeastern Buckley-ite noblesse oblige decided the country needed a mass importation of peon labor to push out the white working class and turn the economy into a giant McJob franchising operation?

    8. chemjeff radical individualist   11 months ago

      And here we are. Just read the comments above to see the people, on an ostensibly libertarian site, falling all over themselves to give up their Fourth Amendment rights in order to stop the illegal immigration scourge.

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   11 months ago

        You support bringing child molesters into the country because you think they're oppressed.

      2. Bertram Guilfoyle   11 months ago

        Poor reason. The only libertarian commenters they have are jeff, sarc, and robert byrds butplug (plus assorted sock puppets).

    9. JohnZ   11 months ago

      I'm all for it.
      Close the border
      Send them back
      Deal with immigrant rapists and murderers with the harshest most demeaning methods possible. Public executions.

    10. Bertram Guilfoyle   11 months ago

      2. CARRY OUT THE LARGEST DEPORTATION OPERATION IN AMERICAN HISTORY

      Even larger than the one at Martha's vineyard last year???

      1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   11 months ago

        The funny part is Jeff has to pretend this is a door to door operation instead of just the usual secondary arrest when they violate another crime.

        Jeff has to utilize lies and fear mongering as his platform. Then every week he accusses others of doing so. He is a hypocritical piece of shit.

        1. R Mac   11 months ago

          I don’t call him Lying Jeffy for nothing.

        2. chemjeff radical individualist   11 months ago

          The funny part is Jeff has to pretend this is a door to door operation instead of just the usual secondary arrest when they violate another crime.

          You're not going to get "THE LARGEST DEPORTATION OPERATION IN AMERICAN HISTORY" if the authorities just sit around and passively wait for the illegal immigrants to come to them. You're trying to have it both ways - pretending that it's possible to both quickly and expediently undertake MASS DEPORTATIONS while somehow doing it without violating anyone's rights or ugly authoritarian behavior. It can't be done.

          1. Don't look at me!   11 months ago

            Having had our rights trampled in the name of “public health”, I’m betting people will put up with this as well.

          2. Bertram Guilfoyle   11 months ago

            Will pizza be provided? That goes a long way toward balancing against the rights violations.

          3. EISTAU Gree-Vance   11 months ago

            “It can’t be done.”

            Ah, there’s that selectively nuanced defeatist at it again.

            Well, we’re gonna do it anyway. Might as well accept it.

    11. I, Woodchipper   11 months ago

      I'm all for illegal immigration as long as I dont have to pay for them and they arent allowed to vote on what to do to me.

      Unfornately, I have to pay for them and they get to vote on what to do to me.

      So it's deportation I guess.

    12. damikesc   11 months ago

      Remember, jeff and sarc supported the killing of Ashli Babbitt for the crime of trespass.

      Yet illegals are NOT OK to murder for the same crime they support a citizen being killed for.

      Why?

      1. sarcasmic   11 months ago

        Hi Jesse Jr. What kind of cereal do they feed you in the institution?

        1. damikesc   11 months ago

          Again, why is it OK for a citizen to be killed for trespass but not OK for an illegal?

          You can try and change the subject again if you so desire. Nobody expects an answer out of you. Good faith is a novel concept for you.

  30. Red Rocks White Privilege   11 months ago

    Which one of the commenters here said that the press would now start pushing the line that Kacklin' Kammy, who's the epitome of an incompetent DEI hire, had the gravitas that voters were looking for? That sure didn't take long:

    Kamala Harris steps into the spotlight as calls for her to replace Joe Biden grow...
    Democratic pollster Bendixen & Amandi Inc found the VP would edge out Trump 42 percent to 41.

    1. CE   11 months ago

      42 + 41 = 83.... So 17% are voting third party? That's a good sign.

  31. Z Crazy   11 months ago

    Brnadon didn't just go off-reservation; he went off-galaxy!

    Look, he was SUPPOSED to announce he WASN'T running for re-election for health reasons. Pretty much everyone on both sides was expecting this.

    After his announcement, the media would start making their fluff pieces about Brandon's life and Brandon's legacy.

    Dem hopefuls would meet with Brandon and his peeps, hoping they would get insider help for the nomination.

    And the first hour of the Democratic National Convention was gonna be a huge thank you to Brandon.

    1. Don't look at me!   11 months ago

      It’s actually kinda funny.

    2. Red Rocks White Privilege   11 months ago

      Look, he was SUPPOSED to announce he WASN’T running for re-election for health reasons. Pretty much everyone on both sides was expecting this.

      Obama massively miscalculated the long-term effects of doing a Chicago-style ballot stuffing operation to get his VP in office for a pseudo-third term. He and his team appear to have thought that Biden was on the same page with them, understood that his health was on the decline, but they'd do him a solid and give him the "President Biden" title he'd been thirsting over his whole political career before stepping aside for the actual person they initially wantedin 2020, which was Harris before Tulsi took a meat cleaver to her campaign.

      It never occurred to them that Joe's always put himself and his family above everything else. Why the fuck would he want to step aside now that he's finally achieved his life-long dream? After all, there's absolutely nothing wrong with him, dammit! He's not going anywhere and you can't push him out!

      The initial Pavlovian shock of his debate performance seems to be waning back into resignation amongst the Dem establishment, even if their pundit/press allies keep pushing the line for right now that he needs to go. Short of an absolute shitshow in Chicago due to protesters trying to make the whole nomination event about their dumb Palestinian political cause, he'll be the nominee and the Dems will have to decide if they move forward with another 2 am ballot dump operation or not.

      1. Ajsloss   11 months ago

        Obama massively miscalculated

        I thought he was the one who never underestimated Joe's ability to fuck things up?

      2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   11 months ago

        I am amused at how many establishment Democrats are fine with veggie Joe, and probably only really mad that he slipped too far.

        1. TrickyVic (old school)   11 months ago

          Establishment democrats generally view disparaging the current front runner as the same as disparaging the party. You are only allowed to do that to the other guy.

          1. Medulla Oblongata   11 months ago

            #notmypresident
            #resist

  32. Earth-based Human Skeptic   11 months ago

    'Biden Blames the Elites'

    That's OK, the elites blame Biden.

  33. JFree   11 months ago

    Congressional Black Caucus really is surprisingly supportive of Biden. Is it because they are more likely to be in safe seats fewer issues about being dragged down? Older themselves? Or something else?

    1. Don't look at me!   11 months ago

      Or just stupid?

      1. Medulla Oblongata   11 months ago

        I'll take just stupid for $500, Alex.

    2. Incunabulum   11 months ago

      They know to go along in order to keep the grifts going. Those freezers aren't going to fill with cash on their own, after all.

  34. TrickyVic (old school)   11 months ago

    ""Congressional Black Caucus really is surprisingly supportive of Biden.""

    I wonder how many of them know he co-sponsored some of the laws that they call systemic racism. The disparity in crack cocaine sentencing for example.

    1. Ajsloss   11 months ago

      I'm waiting for Buttplug's commentary on this point.

    2. JFree   11 months ago

      Of course they know. The first attack on Biden in the 2020 primary was re busing in the 70's. But his candidacy then was also saved because of South Carolina primary and Clyburn endorsement.

      1. TrickyVic (old school)   11 months ago

        Bussing in the 70s was a part of desegregation and is not comparable to all the people of color who were victims of the systemic racism Bidens' bills allowed.

    3. Incunabulum   11 months ago

      They all know.

      Like Harris said when asked, after being picked for VP, why she called Biden a racist - she cackled and said it was 'just politics'.

      1. TrickyVic (old school)   11 months ago

        ""she cackled and said it was ‘just politics’."'

        Well that's an honest answer.

        But I bet she has some choice words behind his back.

  35. Red Rocks White Privilege   11 months ago

    Just for the lulz, I want to see the Dems force Biden out and make Bernie the nominee instead. That would actually conjure up some excitement with their base, and the Dems could have a laugh by jobbing Bernie out for a third time for being a colossal pain in the ass to them for the last 20 years.

    1. Longtobefree   11 months ago

      Nothing could be sweeter than watching the "save democracy" party throw out all the primary votes and go with someone picked out in a smoke filled back room. (no tobacco involved)

      1. TrickyVic (old school)   11 months ago

        They have no problem with their elected representatives being excluded from the rule making process.

        They don't care about democracy. They are just using the term to mean "what I want".

      2. Incunabulum   11 months ago

        They've done that for every one of their picks, ever. Democrat voters have always only ever had the illusion of choice.

        It's ironic that this is the party that wants to do p the electoral college;)

      3. Red Rocks White Privilege   11 months ago

        Shit, they basically did that in 2020 after Bernie kicked Biden’s ass in Nevada, and the debates were centering around whether Bernie would get fucked over at the convention if he was leading but didn’t have the full number of delegates.

        The DNC decided to get ahead of that and all but declare Biden the nominee when Clyburn made his endorsement. That was the signal for everyone to shut up and accept it. That old Brooklyn commie always was a jobber to the stars.

        Like I mentioned earlier, Harris was really the one they wanted, but Tulsi obliterated her before she had a chance to get built up, so they settled on Biden and made him pick Harris as VP. He’s looking pretty determined to not give in, so their best bet now is to have the Secret Service smother him with a pillow before the convention and say he had an aneurysm. Maybe they can offer Hunter the VP slot as a consolation prize so he doesn’t lose his crack and hookers income.

        1. Commenter_XY   11 months ago

          The most dangerous scenario is where POTUS Biden stays on the ticket, loses to President Trump....and armed hostilities break out during the interregnum period between election and inauguration. Do you think maybe the communist Chinese are salivating at that prospect; a paralyzed America?

          1. MK Ultra   11 months ago

            If you are referring to domestic armed hostilities, the only combatants will be the usual Democratic city riot clowns and law enforcement. Too much walking involved to loot and burn the suburban homes and businesses efficiently. Especially while under fire from legally owned "assault rifles" wielded by those who know how to use them.

            DC could certainly use a post-MLK assassination style cleansing with fire.

            1. Red Rocks White Privilege   11 months ago

              Too much walking involved to loot and burn the suburban homes and businesses efficiently. Especially while under fire from legally owned “assault rifles” wielded by those who know how to use them.

              Depends on the suburbs. A lot of these places are just as bitch-made as the central city now. Just look at the Denver metro and all the dumbass Democrat voters that live in Jefferson, Boulder, Broomfield, Adams, and Arapahoe counties.

          2. R Mac   11 months ago

            I live in the woods. Your scenario sounds great.

          3. Longtobefree   11 months ago

            They have infiltrated about three divisions so far, why not assume they will start the ball rolling?

  36. TrickyVic (old school)   11 months ago

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/biden-didn-t-show-up-for-an-early-evening-meeting-with-the-german-chancellor-because-he-had-to-go-to-bed-report/ar-BB1pFJzf?ocid=msedgntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=3c5ce7e72fb34c82814327467d441493&ei=18

    I hear he's not doing anything past 8pm either.

  37. Incunabulum   11 months ago

    >But these specific beliefs are a far cry from actual conservative values and priorities.

    I disagree. I think these are closer to the actual values of conservatives - not the RINO grifters looking to make money because instead of 'supporting current thing' they 'oppose current thing'.

    It's a backing away from the culture war and defining yourself by being against the Democrats.

    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   11 months ago

      That shit is all basically settled at this point, anyway because federalism would be more common under a Trump administration. Red states will typically have more restrictions, while blue states will mostly allow abortion up through the very end of the magic birth canal trip. Gay marraige is a dead issue because of the Supreme Court decision, but there can still be pushback against the pornsick genderspecials at the state level by nerfing transgender grooming and surgical/hormonal procedures on minors.

      The point is to let the blue states keep degenerating into their swinish deviancy, while gatekeeping in red areas against their ideology from being insinuated. Make those places as hostile as possible to leftists, and they'll either avoid you or eventually go away.

      1. rbike   11 months ago

        Cite? I mean really. Leftist leaving my red state? A dream come true but I am stuck watching some MSM news and they don't seem to be leaving.

  38. Incunabulum   11 months ago

    However, with the social platform of the GOP significantly liberalized, the DNC is going to have a harder time offering any reason to vote for them.

    If you can still get reasonable abortion access, etc al, why support anti-American crazies?

    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   11 months ago

      I don't know, they seem pretty determined to run on this "Trump will have everyone who votes Democrat assassinated!" line now.

  39. JohnZ   11 months ago

    Russia destroys children's hospital.
    More likely it was Ukraine that obliterated the children's hospital as they are known to f***things up entirely as they have in the past.
    So I would highly suspect that a stray missile fired from a Ukranian site that did the deed.
    No worry, send another $50 fucking billion dollars to that little coke sniffling micro midget.

  40. TJJ2000   11 months ago

    Biden Blames................................................. The Working (?rich?), The skin-color (?Racist?), The Gender (?Sexist?), The Weather (?Sun-God Religion?), The World ... and last but not least ... The Elitists!

    Oh. So he's a self-projecting Democrat then?

  41. mad.casual   11 months ago

    The older platform, most recently updated in 2016, supported a federal ban on abortion after 20 weeks and contained lines such as "the unborn child has a fundamental right to life which cannot be infringed." It mentioned abortion 35 times. The new platform does not mention any sort of federal abortion ban, saying instead that the party opposes late-term abortions and supports birth control and in vitro fertilization access. It says the word abortion once.

    And behind the orange visage of their chosen bronzed idol, the dark night of Nationalist Christofascism descends and the enslavement of women into the inevitable Handmaid's Tale that was only being held back by Roe v. Wade begins...

  42. JohnZ   11 months ago

    George Carlin/ Why I don't vote:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxsQ7jJJcEA/
    Explains it all

  43. I, Woodchipper   11 months ago

    Most sensationalist headline of the week award goes to Slate.

    Dont they pretty much always win it?

  44. Uncle Jay   11 months ago

    "Biden Blames the Elites."

    Oh, please.
    Biden is the very epitome of the DC elitists clique.

    1. I, Woodchipper   11 months ago

      Next he'll start fearmongering that Trump may try to weaponize the DOJ!

      1. Jefferson Paul   11 months ago

        start fearmongering about that? Biden and his campaign has been fearmongering about Trump doing that almost as long as the Biden campaign has been weaponizing the DOJ.

        1. TJJ2000   11 months ago

          Indeed. Leftards #1 character strength is to Self-Project (i.e. Blame every/any-one else for exactly what they themselves do or plan to do).

          Without the constant self-projection; Democrats might actually be correctly acknowledged as [Na]tional So[zi]alist[s] in the USA.

  45. jagjr   11 months ago

    "Are there no adults in the room within the Democratic Party who are prepared to help Biden face reality?"

    oh puh-lease!! it's been clear for a long time that there are no adults in the room in either party, and no one intends to face reality or attempt to bring it to either nominee.

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