France's Messy Elections Make American Politics Look Orderly
The U.S. flirtation with populism barely holds a candle to the situation across the Atlantic.

The writer Tom Wolfe once quipped, "the dark night of fascism is always descending in the United States and yet lands only in Europe." After a series of elections culminating in the first round of a national vote won handily by France's National Rally, we might replace "fascism" with "populism," which has certainly landed feet-first in the old world and seems to be settling in for a stay across much of the continent.
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France's Populist Surge
"French voters on Sunday put the National Rally (RN) in a commanding position in the first round of snap elections, placing the party founded by supporters of Nazi-allied Vichy France at the gates of power," reports Benjamin Dodman for France24.
"The RN…amassed 33.2% of the vote, far ahead of the left-wing Nouveau Front Populaire (NFP) alliance (28%) and the presidential coalition (20%)," adds Le Monde's Clément Guillou and Corentin Lesueur.
While not unexpected after the National Rally came in first in French elections for the European Parliament last month, the development is momentous, since the party is a bogeyman to the French political class and long quarantined by other parties. It's enjoyed growing popularity with regular voters, especially outside major cities, but the party and its leader, Marine Le Pen, have been considered untouchable—right up until they crashed the gates. That said, like so much about France, the National Rally requires some explanation.
Left, Right, or a Nationalist Grab Bag?
Often described as "far-right," the National Rally was formed as the National Front from the merger of populist and frankly neo-fascist groups in the 1970s. Under the leadership of Jean-Marie Le Pen, Marine's father, the party took some ideological twists and turns, though it was always nationalist, opposed to immigration, tough on crime, and often rife with bigotry. Economically, it's something of a grab bag, basically premised on promising lots of free stuff for which nobody will have to pay. That led the BBC to ask, 10 years ago, whether the party is "far right or hard left?"
"The economic policies offered by the [National Rally and related] parties are often further to the 'left' than many of those offered by centrist social democrats," Queensland University of Technology's Haydn Rippon wrote in 2012.
The National Rally's platform calls for ending immigration, eradicating Islamism, toughening criminal penalties, lowering taxes, renationalizing highways, dropping the retirement age to 60 (President Emmanuel Macron's government raised it from 62 to 64), and subsidizing families and young workers. There's something in there for everybody, especially if they resent the country's elite political class, which in recent years has imposed policy changes—good, bad, and indifferent—wedded to truly Gallic levels of arrogance.
"For those who had been listening, Macron's drift toward authoritarian rule was no surprise," Robert Zaretsky, a University of Houston history professor, commented in 2021. "This seemed to mean that directives were issued from the top and that debate, much less dissent, never issued from below."
The result was the recent election, with the National Rally in the lead, followed by the NFP, which spans the spectrum from Communist to Socialist. Macron's centrists came in third, with others, including the conservative Republicans, trailing.
A Europe-Wide Movement
The results were anticipated after the National Rally led other parties in elections for the European Parliament. That led Macron to call national elections in what appears to have been a fit of pique. But French populists weren't the only ones to benefit from the European vote. Nationalist and populist parties across the continent polled well, growing their clout in the legislative body of the European Union, an entity of which most of them are skeptical.
"Far-right parties have made significant gains in the European Union parliamentary elections, delivering humiliating defeats to the parties of German Chancellor Olaf Scholz, French President Emmanuel Macron and Austrian Chancellor Karl Nehammer," Al Jazeera reported.
Alice Weidel, a leader of Alternative for Germany (AfD), concluded: "We've done well because people have become more anti-European.… People are annoyed by so much bureaucracy from Brussels."
But while resentment of Brussels bureaucrats and opposition to a wave of immigration unite the ascendant parties, they're otherwise all over the place. Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni's Brothers of Italy has roots in the country's fascist history but leads a coalition that governs like more-or-less traditional conservatives with an extra dose of nationalism. Members of Germany's AfD, on the other hand, keep hinting that they regard their country's Nazi past with a touch of nostalgia. France's National Rally pairs welfare-state economics with nationalism. Poland's Confederation favors free markets and even incorporates a libertarian strain. All dislike top-down dictates from E.U. elites in Brussels and the disruptions associated with large-scale immigration.
A Looming Mess No Matter Who Wins
That's a recipe for chaos in the European Parliament as anti-elite parties with clashing agendas struggle to work together. But France faces its own turmoil as it prepares for July 7 runoff elections which the identitarian, economically interventionist National Rally is poised to dominate, challenged primarily by an identitarian, economically interventionist leftist coalition.
"The hard left's tax and spending splurge could lead to a 'catastrophe', according to Olivier Blanchard of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology," The Economist noted last week. "While the hard-right's programme 'is like a Christmas tree, without logic or coherence'."
For his party, embattled President Macron has warned of "civil war" if either the National Rally or the leftist coalition wins. Since both groups are well ahead of his centrist alliance going into the second round of votes, it might be wise to put off plans to vacation in Paris.
As evidence that the National Rally is still regarded as more untouchable than out-and-out communists in France, more than 200 third-place finishers have dropped out of the runoff election in an effort to boost any alternative to populist candidates. That may or may not trim the RN's ultimate presence in parliament. But the result is guaranteed to be an unsavory mess in any case.
Populism may continue descending in the United States; we'll see for certain in November. But it has landed good and hard across the Atlantic.
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I'll start worrying about fascists when I see them putting little boys in dresses and cutting off their dicks. Until I do see that, I'm going to consider them an upgrade from the people who really are putting little boys in dresses and cutting off their dicks.
Someone might point out to Fiona what happens with unlimited and unregulated immigration.
And why do we never see any lead describing a party as 'far-left'?
Well, the communists are only considered Left...
Here is twat populism will get for you:
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trumps-tariff-plans-could-lead-to-five-extra-fed-rate-hikes-goldman-sachs-chief-economist-says-27f56a3b?mod=mw_more_headlines
Trump’s tariff plans could lead to five extra Fed rate hikes, Goldman Sachs chief economist says
And keep in mind that this is a banker saying this, and bankers generally are "the rich", and "Team R" is the "team of the rich".
What did the Reagan tariffs of the 1980s do?
The Reagan tariffs of the 1980s taxed USA citizens! If they hadn't been put into place, right now we would have world peace and prosperity as never known before, and we would be colonizing the galaxy and beyond!
Translation: inflation is still out of control, and we're going to have to hike rates anyway, so let's find a way to blame Trump.
And if think wealthy globalist elites are still Republicans, you haven't been paying attention.
The National Rally's platform calls for ending immigration, eradicating Islamism, toughening criminal penalties, lowering taxes, renationalizing highways, dropping the retirement age to 60 (President Emmanuel Macron's government raised it from 62 to 64), and subsidizing families and young workers.
What they are advertising does not sound all that bad.
I mean, if this was a policy position in the US, lowering the age for social security eligibility to 60 and subsidizing workers (whatever that means) I'd call it out for the socialist bullshit that it is. It's just funny that it's got the socialists in Europe in such a tizzy because they're so far to the left of that.
The fact that LePenn has run over Macron pleases me to no end.
The leftists in France must be losing their minds.
Up next: Britain and Nigel Farage.
Then Netherlands.
How soon before Germany begins to self correct?
The writer Tom Wolfe once quipped, "the dark night of fascism is always descending in the United States and yet lands only in Europe."
JFC. So, when you're tone deaf and you can't hear a specific tone or set of them, people can communicate in a different set of tones or even medium to get through to you.
But if tone deafness is just a metaphor and it's more like total deafness that expands beyond just the auditory medium to reading and broader social awareness, it's well beyond deafness and into broader retardation or mental handicapping, right?
France: [Holds election]
Tuccille: Let the Nazis eat cake.
It makes sense when you remember he’s a supporter of slavery and their party in the US, at least by his own declared preference in the last Presidential endorsements.
(And yes, it sounds just as ridiculous when he does it here only with the Nazi party).
Be careful, that last time I pointed out Reason writers supported the current guy squatting on stage, I was quickly fact-checked and told they didn't, and then that very person proceeded to post a list of Reason writers that voted for him as proof.
"French voters on Sunday put the National Rally (RN) in a commanding position in the first round of snap elections, placing the party founded by supporters of Nazi-allied Vichy France at the gates of power," reports Benjamin Dodman for France24.
The media lying about what people stand for in order to claim they're Nazis (Jean-Marie Le Pen founded the party, and it's a bit hard to call him a supporter of the Vichy regime since he had just turned 16 when Paris was liberated) is hardly unusual.
Guilt by association. Even if they have to stretch the association part past the breaking point.
Americans could as easily point out the Biden is the candidate of the Democrat party, who opposed civil rights in the 1960s and supported slavery in the 1860s.
Biden was praising ex KKK dems until the mid 80s.
The far-right won, which means the elections were valid. If the left had won then they would have been fraudulent.
So a party to the right of Mao wins an election and Sarc's only thought is to deflect from the resulting violent riots. But he's somehow not a leftist in his pickled mind.
""French voters on Sunday put the National Rally (RN) in a commanding position in the first round of snap elections, placing the party founded by supporters of Nazi-allied Vichy France at the gates of power," reports Benjamin Dodman for France24."
Easily the laziest of "journalism"
If discussing American politics, he would not refer to the DNC as the "party founded by enthusiastic supporters of slavery"
After a series of elections culminating in the first round of a national vote won handily by France's National Rally, we might replace "fascism" with "populism," which has certainly landed feet-first in the old world and seems to be settling in for a stay across much of the continent.
I like how "populism" is a kind of default-dirty word, but there's an abject refusal to point out the failures of... 'non-populism' that drew it out of the woodwork.
When a pattern of voting emerges... literally across the globe after a few decades of technocratic neo-liberal rule and open borders, it's time to take a look at those policies and acknowledge their failures.
Non-populism is usually referred to as elitism. I wonder why the common people oppose that?
Leftists: Real Marxism has never been tried.
Reason: Because all the goddamned populism keeps getting in the way!
Thought this might be relevant here... if you like to watch Nancy Pelosi deny elections and get destroyed by a guy who's famous for playing banjo.
I like how my local newspaper now is chastising Biden for "hiding the decline" from us. No, assholes, YOU [tried to] hid[e] the decline from us, Biden just denied what your lying eyes were showing you.
"Populism" is just "Democracy when people vote wrong."
We could give you some of your money back, but you might not spend it right (Bill Clinton).
We could let you elect the candidates who are promising you what you want, but you shouldn't want those things (Democracy Defenders of America).
It's telling that the "defend democracy" crowd is so worried about right-wing populism. Aren't populists the candidates who are promising the people what the people actually want? Isn't that the purpose of democracy?
" candidates who are promising the people what the people actually want?"
People want more than empty promises. That's why they are rejecting candidates like Macron, and are opting for other candidates like Le Pen whom in due time they will also reject.
we might replace "fascism" with "populism,"
Maybe try and replace "hair dryer" with "handgun" while you're at it.
So it's bigotry for a national political party to support it's own citizens over the replacements that the other parties are bringing in? Give me bigotry or give me death.
France still has a touch of the old love of country and pride in being French. As long as that's true they'll never fall as far as England.
"France still has a touch of the old love of country and pride in being French."
They're still going to get the boot from New Caledonia, don't you think? All the bigotry and love of France in the world is unlikely to stop what's already in motion.
Good. Now when the climate change fanatics say "look at Europe" we can say, "That bunch of Nazis? Are you a Nazi? I'm gonna punch you in the face."
"You're probably vegan too aren't you?" [facepunch]
I like that France has multiple parties instead of the uni-party we have in the States. As crazy as French politics seem, our mess is much more entrenched with corrupt ruling elitists.
What I notice is that the establishment is who is taking the hit and the masses are revolting against the leaders who are becoming more and more authoritarian. Leaders like Macron deserve being expelled from office.
"Leaders like Macron deserve being expelled from office."
No fear, his likely replacement, Marine Le Pen, is just as antisemitic as Macron. And it's the good kind of antisemitism, the kind directed against Arabs, unlike Le Pen's father who hated Jews and had positive things to say about Arabs.
"France's Messy Elections Make American Politics Look Orderly."
Actually, it's the other way around.
>The U.S. flirtation with populism barely holds a candle to the situation across the Atlantic.
If populism is bad, if we're supposed to be ruled by the 'elite' - then why even bother with democracy? If the populace are too stupid to rule themselves, why let them pretend to have a say?
And its the fact the the US only has one party - the Republicans are Democrat-lite - that makes Europes multi-party coalition building look messy.
Things indeed would be cleaner if there were only one group of elites in power and they controlled everything.