Why a Disastrous Biden-Trump Debate Could Be the Best Outcome for America
A true dumpster fire of a performance from one or both might be a small step toward avoiding this awful rematch.

When Joe Biden and Donald Trump met on a debate stage in October 2020, the result was…something.
The Washington Post called it "the worst presidential debate in living memory." For media analyst Tom Jones at Poynter, it was a "dumpster fire" full of "constant interruptions. Constant talking over one another. Name-calling. Juvenile bickering." A transcript of the debate reads like gibberish. Some commentators suggested that the planned rematch a few weeks later should be scrapped (it happened, but the moderators came armed with a mute button).
One of the few positive reviews came from Reason's Jacob Sullum, who argued that the debate was "good for the republic" because it shattered the "unfounded respect for the people who rule us." Fair enough.
Welp, we're doing it again. Except this time the candidates are four years even older, the country is $7.8 trillion further in debt, and the number of swing voters to influence is (probably) even smaller. And rather than taking place in the final weeks of the campaign, as debates typically do, this absurd spectacle is unfolding before the two old men on stage have been officially named the nominees of their respective major parties.
In that last detail, however, shines a faint silver lining.
What if Thursday night's debate is a complete train wreck? And not in the same way as before. What if the debate doesn't merely descend into uncivil nonsense—which is the bare minimum of what should be expected—and doesn't simply confirm what the Biden-Trump debates in 2020 showed: that these men deserve neither our respect nor our affection?
No, I mean what if it is actually bad? Democrats have been working hard to counter-program any suggestion that Biden's mental acuity has declined, but the evidence keeps piling up. Polls show that voters are already quite skeptical of reelecting a president who will be 82 years old on Inauguration Day. What if something happens that's undeniable, inescapable evidence that Biden's no longer sharp enough to run the executive branch?
What if Trump confirms what some Republicans have been whispering in recent months: That he rambles like an elderly, intoxicated uncle, consumed by his spiraling legal problems and no longer in possession of the considerable charm and wit that's always been his best weapon as a politician? It's unlikely Trump could say or do anything at this point that alienates his core supporters, but what if he says something that reminds average Republicans why 10 members of his own party voted to impeach him at the end of his last term?
A truly disastrous debate could send a few delegates reaching for their dusty copy of The Party Decides, the 2008 book that argued backroom deals and high-level negotiations remained the most important part of the presidential nominating process, even after reforms in the 1970s boosted the power of primary voters.
That thesis has become something of a punchline in the Trump era—if 2016 definitively proved any single thing, it's that modern political parties are somewhat powerless in the face of a populist movement. But we live in unpredictable times, and on a practical level the four authors of that book aren't wrong: The nominees will be decided by the delegates at the Republican and Democratic conventions. That's what really matters.
The window between now and the conventions is the last chance for Biden or Trump to be tossed out without triggering other complications. As Princeton professor Keith E. Whittington explained in a recent Reason cover story, there are procedures in place to fill a vacancy if a party's nominee or president-elect dies or is otherwise incapacitated.
Right now, however, neither Trump nor Biden are the official nominees. Delegates are pledged to vote for them at the convention, so any usurpation would require the presumptive nominee to step aside or for the Republican National Committee or Democratic National Committee to change its rules. Still, there's a chance!
Is there much of a chance? No. Trump's hold over the Republican Party, in particular, is so strong that it's difficult to even fantasize about the GOP tossing him overboard at this point. His every vice has been retconned into a virtue. More importantly, his closest allies control the party's levers of power. The primary was less a coronation than a joke, and even his myriad legal issues (some legit, others not so much) don't seem to be a problem for his supporters.
Biden, meanwhile, probably can't be realistically ousted at the convention unless he decides to step aside. So Democrats should start trying to convince him to do that! Who takes his place? Not really my problem, but I'd suggest taking a good hard look at the governor of Colorado. Democrats could do a lot worse right now.
Throwing them both overboard would be in the best interest of the parties and, more importantly, the country. Biden's approval rating is under 40 percent. Trump's is only slightly better. Neither has a serious plan to address the spiraling cost of government—I repeat, the national debt has increased by $7.8 trillion since October 2020—or a comprehensive vision for the future of America. They're both too old and too out of touch to understand the issues facing most Americans. They don't have workable plans to reduce inflation, shrink the cost of government, or grow the economy. American politics would benefit from both exiting the race.
To be clear, I'm not rooting for any actual medical or health emergency to befall either man (though that's a distinct possibility too, if not on Thursday, then at some point before November). Short of that, however, I'm hoping for the worst, most unwatchable, least coherent contest imaginable. I want to feel stupider for having watched it. I want CNN's Anderson Cooper to apologize directly to the audience afterward.
And then I—and lots of other Americans, if the polls are to be believed—want the two major parties to realize this rematch is a terrible mistake and start finding a new set of presidential candidates.
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BOAF SYDES!
Regretfully and strategically.
Are those two what the US deserves?
THE BEST OF THE BEST OF THE BEST!
Did I say you could reply to my comment, you lying sociopath?
Considering neither you nor anyone else has ever refuted anything that I’ve said, calling me a “lying sociopath” is a lie, Kol Nidre boy.
When the prayer chanted on your most important day in your religion is clearly a plan to lie to other people, your entire cult are “lying sociopaths”.
“All vows, obligations, oaths, and anathemas [curses]which we may vow, or swear, or pledge, or whereby we may be bound, from this Day of Atonement until the next we do repent. May they be deemed absolved, forgiven, annulled, and void, and made of no effect: they shall not bind us nor have any power over us. The vows shall not be reckoned vows; the obligations shall not be obligations; nor the oaths be oaths.”
FOAD, Nazi shit.
Considering neither you nor anyone else has ever refuted anything that I’ve said,
Everyone refutes everything you say.
Just because you ignore them, doesn't mean that you've made your point.
It means you're an idiot as well as a nazi.
My my my, someone rose on the wrong side of the coffin this evening...
Walls are closing in to make stairs for Chase.
A pox on both their houses.
I think the Pox would be small potatoes compared to thr medical problems both of them have.
List them for us.
Old age. Everything starts to break down when the warranty runs out. Their warranties ran out a long time ago.
I'm guessing you never came with a warranty at all Mike.
Full of shit, still.
A pox would be small potatoes compared to the economic and national security disasters that would befall this country, and the world, from a reinstalled Biden administration unleashed from the worry of another election.
That better not be monkey pox you're asking for.
amen to that
Uh no. A pox on ballot harvested mail in elections.
Yeah, a victim of politically motivated prosecutions has the audacity to fight back? Sickening.
Nuh uh, the national debt has not increased by $7.8 trillion. It recently decreased by $143 billion, I believe was the number, on Joe Biden's watch, when two courts knocked out his latest student loan debt transfer to taxpayers.
Joe! Biden! knows how to reduce the deficit and the debt.
Biden's been
held incommunicadosaving his energyin training for this momentous last chance to save (D)emocracy from the ravages of Russian traitor Trump.Joe! Biden! knows how to make sacrifices for his country!
Vote! Joe! Biden!
Joe! Biden! knows how
Plus, Biden has created tens of thousands of new high-paying jobs with great benefits.
87,000 of them, to be exact.
At the IRS.
And the jobs will pay for themselves. (Don't ask how exactly, you might not like the answer.)
"Nuh uh, the national debt has not increased by $7.8 trillion. It recently decreased by $143 billion, I believe was the number, on Joe Biden’s watch, when two courts knocked out his latest student loan debt transfer to taxpayers."
That's just the deficit going down. The last time the debt got smaller year over year, the oldest "Boomers" were in grade school JFK was 10 years away from running for President, and every US Dollar in circulation could technically be redeemed for its value in some kind of precious metal paid out of reserves held at Ft Knox.
And $143Billion at that time would have covered more than 60% of the entire US national Debt.
Good thing your reading comprehension matches your sense of humor. I bet your family holds Thanksgiving on Wednesday just to avoid you.
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Hey! Stop y’all’s fighting!
HERE is an uplifting message that may help out!
A Trumpsmas Message of Hope, Peace, and Joy
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“I come unto ye to bring messages of Joy and Peace! Do NOT be confused by the lamestream media, nor by the Demon-Craps, who speak of many strange wonders! They speak of many YUUGE lies, and of half-truths! Some say that I am the Son of God! Some say that I am the Son of Man! Some say that I am the Great White Father! Or the Great Pumpkin! Or the Great Whitish-Orangish Pumpkin-Father! But I am none of those things! I come to be before you, as an Humble Man, with MUCH bigness to my humbleness… You may simply call me the Chosen One! Even the lamestream media knows this! https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-49429661 The American voters, the REAL, legitimate voters… The NON-Demon-rat ones, have overwhelmingly chosen MEEE! THAT is why I am the Chosen One!”
He paused, momentarily, there on the top of the Mount of Olives, and of Pineapples, and of Anchovies, as thunderous applause deafened everyone for miles around. He tried to wave down the crowd, for silence. But in their jubilation, the crowd spontaneously broke out into a chant! “Dominos Pizza-Pie REEEquiem, Dominos Pizza-Pie REEEquiem, Dominos Pizza-Pie REEEquiem”, they chanted, over and over, and yet over, again! Sensing their spiritual and bodily hungers, The Lord Trump discreetly ordered a single, solitary pizza and a basket full of anchovies, which arrived nearly instantly. Then The Lord Trump broke off pieces of pizza, and dished out the anchovies, which somehow managed to feed the crowd of five million!
With their hunger now sated, The Lord Trump was finally able to calm the masses, and silence their cheering, so that He could, once again, be heard. The Lord Trump spake once again, saying unto them, “Behold, now begins a time of troubles! The Dark Lord has bin bidin’ his time, which has now come! I will be swallowed up by the Penthouse of The Trump Hotel at Mar-a-Lago, for 4 years of dark nights and troubled days, and I know, you will miss Me terribly! But then the Boulder of Voter Fraud will mysteriously be shoved aside, and I will emerge once more! Trust bigly in Me, but bigly JUST in Me!!!”
The Lord Trump waited for a long time, for the applause to die down, and then continued, “While I am gone, the Faithful shall honor Me on the last Thursday of each November, giving Thanks that I have shown Good Americans The Truth and The Way. You shall slay the Great Pumpkin, and eat of the Pumpkin Pie, saying, ‘This is the Body of The Lord Trump. Eat it with Joy and Gladness’. Then ye shall drink of the cranberry juice, saying. ‘This is the Blood of The Lord Trump. Drink it with Anticipation of the Defeat of the Forces of Evil, and of the Demon-Craps’. This, do in honor of MEEE!”
The applause was overwhelming and unstoppable, so The Lord Trump escaped in His Helicopter, to the Penthouse of The Trump Hotel at Mar-a-Lago, leaving the crowd to festering in the gathering stormy weather. There were no busses provided for the crowds, but that was OK by them, for they were full of Great Trumpsmas Joy!
> A true dumpster fire of a performance from one or both might be a small step towards avoiding this awful rematch.
Won;t matter. The narrative is strong in the heads of the Tru Beleibers:
Bidenistas: Trump was the absolute worst! Why they even let him up on stage?
Trumpalumpas: Gagh! Was Biden being operated by strings! Why let a dead man run?
He IS dead [how can anyone honestly tell the difference?].
He's just sleeping.
"Biden being operated by strings! Why let a dead man run?"
Are you saying he isn't?
Brandyshit: 'I'm a TDS-addled pile of shit!'
We know; FOAD.
Sevo the Pedo, Hippo in a Speedo, is a brain-dead zombie who wants to vote for the dead!!! Twat a slurprise!!!
"Why let a dead man run?"
'Cause of all the dead people that want to vote for him! Twat, are ye advocating that we should DISCRIMINATE against the "being-alive-ness handicapped"? Ye BIASED one ye!!!
(I want to vote for Margaret Thatcher, even though I, just like Bill Clinton, chased her around, butt couldn't catch-her!!! That fact that she is dead, should make NO difference twatsoever!!!)
Let's run the corpse of Ronald Reagan. What the hell, the Russians, Chinese and North Koreans won't know what the fuck to do about a litteral dead president decomposing in the White House.
I have it on reliable, good word that Beethoven is decomposing also!!! Let's all vote for him; it would be music to my ears!
I suspect old Ludvy is pretty much worm shit by now. We might have something left of the Old Gipper. Besides, alive he kept the Russians on their toes. Dead he would be fucking amazing.
Ok, Biden on strings like a puppet with Hillary Clinton up above the stage controlling him HAS to be a political cartoon SOMEWHERE! Please.
"What if something happens that's undeniable, inescapable evidence that Biden's no longer sharp enough to run the executive branch?"
"What if!?" As 'if" you don't know this already? What is it going to take to convince you? Literally defecating on stage, while undeniably [and I don't doubt the shit spin that would follow...] live?
If such a thing happened during the debate the media will either ignore it (Reason) or straight up lie about it (all MSM). Same as every other day.
Right; just Google the surgeon general's report on gun violence and his laughably hyperbolic "statistics;" nothing shows up but a vast sea of echolalia from the usual MSM catamites.
No prob, my boy Gav will be there to help Brandon out:
https://kcra.com/article/gavin-newsom-joe-biden-surrogate-presidential-debate/61409543
Tim Pools prediction is almost upon us.
If that actually comes to pass then I want out of this fucking simulation. Where's Morpheus when you need him?
“What if something happens that’s undeniable, inescapable evidence that Trump is a barely functioning sociopath and only using the office for his own aggrandizement?”
What if?
What if Brandy read his first actual book from a libertarian author instead of DNC campaign websites?
What happens if Brandyshit finds a second brain-cell?
Likes repel. Proof positive he has only one.
Now sociopath is kinda harsh. Barbarian is fair, he has his steaks well done and served with ketchup.
My wife and I were talking about watching the Debate tomorrow because it might be funny. We may even have a party and do shots.
I figured the best thing would be Biden goes WAY off script and his handlers hit the button to reset him with an electroshock. He does the electrocution dance and then suddenly is back on script as if nothing happened. I think I would wet myself if that happened.
These two men are the best this country could come up with.
We're doomed.
I don’t know if we’re doomed. But we certainly deserve whatever happens to us by nominating these two – at this time.
You and Sarc certainly deserve bad things. The rest of us are desperately trying to stop you leftists.
Yeah, because Trump is your messiah.
Did you get the email from his daughter in law Laura? It's started off with the phrase "You are loved!" Then it went on to talk about Donald Trump the way my mother talks about Jesus. Talk about playing to the superstitious.
And Mike goes with the tried and true MSNBC Trump cultist hit. Classic Mike.
Yeah, because you have a raging case of TDS. FOAD, asshole.
We've been doomed for a long time. We're going over the cliff. It's too late to hit the brakes.
We can stop it. Whomever gets elected just has to be willing to commit his party to political suicide. Let a real government shutdown happen and let it roll for a while until people realize they don't need a federal government to take care of them. I'd say it would take all four years of a term to make it happen.
No, these two men embody ideals of the loudest partisans on both sides better than any of the other people who chose to run.
Who are you and why are you spoofing me?
Are you Sarc being principled again?
That is well adjusted Biden guy. Just checked mute list.
So Shrike.
Thanks Jesse. He just made himself a target.
I can't say that I expected much from the comments section here. But I am stumped by the lack of awareness by the Great Unwashed Masses. And it just seems to keep getting worse. Biden is old, no doubt. He walks like an old man and talks like an old man. Because he is an old man. Does that mean he is incapable of doing the job? Possibly. Does his record indicate that he is incapacitated? No. He isn't "great" by any stretch, but I can think of at least three or four Presidents who have been in office since I have been alive that were significantly worse.
What's mind boggling is that a fucking *felon* who literally *stole* top secret national security documents... and I'll stop there (because wht's the point?) is considered to be "just as bad". Between Fox and the cynical Republicans in Congress, the average American thinks Biden and Trump are equally unfit for office. Old age = mob boss. It's certainly proof that fully half the population has an IQ at or below 100. What have we let ourselves become? It's fucking insanity.
Cope harder.
"...What’s mind boggling is that a fucking *felon* who literally *stole* top secret national security documents… and I’ll stop there (because wht’s the point?)..."
Ran out of lies, did you?
FOAD, TDS-addled steaming pile of shit.
What's really mind boggling is an idiot like you has managed to survive this long without choking on a urinal cake. Fuck off.
I can't stand Trump, haven't liked him since before he was in Home Alone.
That being said there are possible legal explanations for how he ended up with those classified doc that wouldn't have required stealing them.
Joe Biden having Classified Docs from when he was a senator and wasn't allowed to have them in his possession at all, and then giving those classified docs, knowingly to a ghostwriter is much harder to say there was any legal way that he did that short of the theft of classified materials.
For better or worse, Biden isn't running the country. The DNC is. That makes Biden rather unimportant as he's effectively just a figurehead.
On the other hand, Trump will at least try and run the country. He will enact his will, and the bureaucracy will fight him like a bucking bronco.
That's our real question. Do we Trump or the DNC party leaders to run it? Biden is really irrelevant in this situation.
D- and I'm being generous.
Kill yourself.
The first two years of his admi situation, the Biden Administration had to, several times, come out to tell the country that no, President Biden's public statements are not the policy of the Biden Administration.
Lol. Maddow couldn't have written the 2nd paragraph better. Fucking hilarious.
What’s mind boggling is that a fucking *felon* who literally *stole* top secret national security documents… and I’ll stop there (because wht’s the point?)
Do you enjoy lying? Does it make your peepee hard?
Because everyone, including worms under rocks like you, knows by now that most of the documents were dropped on him unsolicited by NARA around the same time as the FBI got involved and he had publicly declassified the Crossfire Hurricane ones which are the real target. And even if he hadn't the fact that he took the copies while president means they were declassified by action according to Judicial Watch versus NARA.
But you know this so why would you support political prosecution unless you're a Nazi?
What’s mind boggling is that a fucking *felon* who literally *stole* top secret national security documents… and I’ll stop there (because wht’s the point?) is considered to be “just as bad”. Between Fox and the cynical Republicans in Congress, the average American thinks Biden and Trump are equally unfit for office. Old age = mob boss. It’s certainly proof that fully half the population has an IQ at or below 100. What have we let ourselves become? It’s fucking insanity.
I can't speak for anyone but myself. And what I can say for certain is that you are exactly the person that the Democrats want on their team. Useful idiots, gobbling up the narrative. You are definitely proof of sub-room temperature IQs suckling on the Biden/Leftist teat.
Yeah, just when I thought Trump vs Clinton, Dawn of Madness was horrible we get Trump v Biden, Dawn of Senility TWICE!
What Chinese Philosopher did we collectively puss off, we live in times that are WAY too interesting.
Giant meteor. If not on June 27 then on November 5. Please.
Just imagine, if you will: a meteor, as if a focused strike, obliterates DC.
This could be great fan fiction.
On Inauguration day. After Trump is elected. And chose Vivek as VP.
Just ask Crooked Joe where in New Guinea we can find Uncle Bosie?
He is with Jackie. Is she here?
So the answer is Polis? Seriously?
You would prefer Harris? Whitmer? Newsom? Buttigieg? The Dems have no one else.
Reason 'libertarians' will find it easier to strategically vote for governor buggery.
Well, he is the smartest of three stooges choice.
Here's Trump on the debate. Sounds pretty reasonable to me.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/daily-memo/3056147/trump-on-the-debate/
Drug test them both. It’s the only way to be sure.
First you write "What if Trump confirms what some Republicans have been whispering in recent months: That he rambles like an elderly, intoxicated uncle, ..." but then you write "but what if he says something that reminds average Republicans why 10 members of his own party voted to impeach him at the end of his last term?". But those are not the same thing. Those Republicans did not vote to impeach him because he rambles like an elderly, intoxicated uncle.
The fact that reason keeps bringing up the Ukraine impeachment after everything we know about Hunter, Joe, and Ukraine is amazing.
No matter who wins, we all lose.
There's always the distant possibility that a literal dumpster fire outside the studio will spread to the building and end not only both candidacies, but the alleged "journalism" being practiced at CNN these days.
Oh! Now that would be fun!
They can always just pull the fire alarm.
Ripley/Hicks 2024
The Only Way to Be Sure.
Damn Right.
What would you rather have – lies told with eloquence, or some level of truth that’s shouted? What would you say if an abolitionist got into a loud debate with a confederate sympathizer? Oh no, he’s yelling. My kingdom for civility!
The dumpster fire is a Nazi mob attacking Jews in public schools, and outside of their own synagogue. It is when modern members of the Third Reich beclowning themselves in front to Jew haters, dancing to Cardi B songs, and threatening AIPAC. It’s a scene out of Kristallnacht, in 2024 America. The fact that Chase Oliver barely mentioned any of this is a sad reflection of the LP.
(In Morpheus voice) And what is the Chase Oliver? Chase Oliver is personification of AI imagining of a gay white libertarian. He looks just what how an an AI would envision a gay white libertarian. He will faithfully repeat party lines on second amendment, drugs, immigration and federal spending, without fail. If you ask Chase Oliver how a nation without borders, a functioning police, and Jew haters in power can possibly be free, he will say “Immigration will help the economy, if you value liberty you will vote for me” Or some other canned line used by previous AI libertarian identities like Jorgensen and Johnson.
The extent to which some libertarians will play “both sides bad” to the exclusion of all else is – something else. I’m voting for Trump, which is an easier choice than negroes fighting the Axis power when their countries are oppressing them. At a certain point, equivalency games stop being persuasive.
Accurate description of Chase.
(Morpheos voice) Blah blah blah blah, blah blah blah blah, blah blah. Blah blah blah; blah, blah, blah, blah blah? Blah blah blah blah "blah blah blah blah" blah blah! Blah blah blah blah blah? Blah blah blah?
Neo, you just took a pill from a black man you just met. You're not a very smart kid, are you.
I don’t know if Trumps going to be some sort of change for the better if he gets elected, or if he can help achieve 1/10th of the things that ought to be done. But I sure as shit know letting Biden (or whoever they replace him with at the very last second) back in will only encourage every disastrous turn the country is taking. I’m just not enough of a nihilist to equivocate that choice. (I am enough of a nihilist to know my vote means fuck all in Maryland, but, oh well, it’s all I got).
We can always pray someone doesn't survive the stairs.
Stairs are Hillary's Kryptonite.
why 10 members of his own party voted to impeach him at the end of his last term?
To get re-elected in their purple districts. Duh.
backroom deals and high-level negotiations remained the most important part of the presidential nominating process
That's how it should be. Abolish primaries and go back to letting party officials choose their candidates. As long as hoi poloi wing nut voters get to elect the candidates, we're going to get Shit Sandwich v. Giant Douche every time.
Not wrong. Maybe there is something to be said for less involvement by voters in the process...
Not really my problem, but I'd suggest taking a good hard look at the governor of Colorado.
He is soooo dreamy.
*swoon*
"What if something happens that's undeniable, inescapable evidence that Biden's no longer sharp enough to run the executive branch?"
Well that really would be a surprising turn of events.
Biden's age isn't a problem. The fact that he's obviously suffering from dementia is. The fact that the younger version of Joe Biden should never have gotten anywhere near the Presidency anyway is another.
Debate? What debate?
The only advantage of a debate is that it will be extended, public, continuous, and live. The media will not be able to cut away to prop up or cut down either candidate.
Aside from that, it's meaningless theatrics.
Short of that, however, I'm hoping for the worst, most unwatchable, least coherent contest imaginable. I want to feel stupider for having watched it. I want CNN's Anderson Cooper to apologize directly to the audience afterward.
Sounds like a good outcome and a reason not to watch it in hopes that outcome happens.
What’s so disastrous about it? There will be a [Na]tional So[zi]alist candidate repeating MORE “New Deal” Hitler plans on conquering the USA and one who is against [Na]tional So[zi]al[ism] telling that Nazi how evil he is.
The only Disaster is that Nazi will probably get re-elected just like Obama did because either too many people hate the USA or too many dead-people and illegal voting-immigrants do.
To be clear, I'm not rooting for any actual medical or health emergency to befall either man (though that's a distinct possibility too, if not on Thursday, then at some point before November). Short of that, however, I'm hoping for the worst, most unwatchable, least coherent contest imaginable. I want to feel stupider for having watched it. I want CNN's Anderson Cooper to apologize directly to the audience afterward.
This statement crystalizes modern Journalisming. It's a statement that suggests the debates are important (they're not), that the decorum is what normies want (they don't), that a 'dumpster fire' will 'hurt both candiates' (it never will) and somehow CNN and Anderson Cooper would feel contrition toward the rest of the Journalist class that watches the debate that few others will watch.
This is as dumb as all those journalists, columnists and newspapers that after 2016 said "we're not giving any more free press to Donald Trump" and then have proceeded to print an average of 700 Trump articles to every 1 Biden article, and have continued to do so, not only during Trump's presidency, but during the 4 years after he left office.
This entire narrative is as dumb as the "Twitter implooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooding" articles we got, exclusively from the Journalist class after Musk completed his purchase.
Twitter did in fact disappear. It's called X now. It's all over Mastodon.
Not planning to watch the debate and very unlikely I will vote for either of them.
Ok, let’s wave the magic wand and get rid of the totalitarian Xiden and the incompetent clown Trump.
You do realize we would just get more unwanted totalitarian globalist trssh shoved down our throats? Because that’s what EVERY party is foisting upon us now, even the supposed “libertarians.”
Trump’s a dweeb but gas was cheap, inflation was low, and GOOD jobs were plentiful. Biden has gas up $1-$4/gallon, prices are up, real wages are down, the “glowing jobs reports” get quietly revised down EVERY TIME, Xiden’s “new jobs” are almost all either part time service work or government hires (which should count AGAINST the GDP, not for it, because they are all wealth extraction that creates no other value), all the open jobs are going to illegals or unqualified DEI hires anyway, and the illegals get a bonanza of free stuff while American citizens get the cold shoulder (and the bill for coddling criminal invaders!). And apparently now government can violate your Constitutional rights as long as a corporation does it first and somehow nobody has standing to do anything about that?
Do they all WANT us to wish they start a nuclear war just to end their dystopian hellscape?
>One of the few positive reviews came from Reason's Jacob Sullum, who argued that the debate was "good for the republic" because it shattered the "unfounded respect for the people who rule us." Fair enough.
Sullum? One of the people who was glad 'norms' had been restored when Biden was elected? The guy who was happy 'the adults were back in charge'?
Mr Wallz r closing in?
>but what if he says something that reminds average Republicans why 10 members of his own party voted to impeach him at the end of his last term?
Brother, the average Republican hates the GOP and it's mainstream 'McCain' RINOs. You remind them of why 10 GOP pols voted to impeach Trump and you remind them of why they wanted Trump in office on the first place.
Shit is so tone deaf.
Ok, let's wave the magic wand and get rid of the totalitarian Xiden and the incompetent clown Trump.
You do realize we would just get more unwanted totalitarian globalist trash shoved down our throats? Because that's what EVERY party is foisting upon us now, even the supposed "libertarians."
Trump's a dweeb but gas was cheap, inflation was low, and GOOD jobs were plentiful. Biden has gas up $1-$4/gallon, prices are up, real wages are down, the "glowing jobs reports" get quietly revised down EVERY TIME, Xiden's "new jobs" are almost all either part time service work or government hires (which should count AGAINST the GDP, not for it, because they are all wealth extraction that creates no other value), all the jobs are going to illegals, and the illegals get a bonanza of free stuff while American citizens get the cold shoulder (and the bill for all that coddling of criminal invaders!). And apparently now government can violate your Constitutional rights as long as a corporation does it first and somehow nobody has standing to do anything about that?
Do they all WANT us to wish they start a nuclear war just to end their dystopian hellscape?
>That thesis has become something of a punchline in the Trump era—if 2016 definitively proved any single thing, it's that modern political parties are somewhat powerless in the face of a populist movement
The party decides - except then you say that it doesn't.
You know which party uses party insiders and backroom deals to decide on the nominee? The DNC. Superdelegates.
The GOP actually has some amount of power invested in the proles and not just in the party elite.
>His every vice has been retconned into a virtue.
You talking about Trump or Biden? Mr I loves my son? Mr Taking showers with my daughter?
There's shitloads of C-SPAN video of Pedo Pete molesting little girls including pinching nipples, but Trump cheated on his wife.
>Neither has a serious plan to address the spiraling cost of government
Neither does the governor of Colorado.
>or a comprehensive vision for the future of America
They both have a comprehensive vision for the future of America.
One is Venezuelan criminals swarming the streets, unlimited welfare, and everyone is gay and transgender.
One is hard work, self sufficiency, and incremental improvement.
The best thing for the country would be, if Trump comes out and is perfect — charming, brash in a boyish way, direct — while Biden mumbles incoherently and then soils himself.
In that scenario, and few scenarios less extreme, the inevitability of Biden’s defeat would be so undeniable, his allies could pressure him into stepping aside.
Nah, the corporate media would close ranks saying that Biden shitting himself was a far-right conspiracy theory that never happened, and claim that Russia hijacked the airwaves and inserted deepfake video. Obama doesn't want someone self-aware to have to wrestle with in his forth term.
They will never let Trump win and if he seems to be beating the fraud margin they will just JFK him. They already tried to Nixon him and that didn't work so it's all they have.
Way too many bureaucrats went way too fucking far in the last six years and committed way too many crimes to ever let an outsider run the show again.
If Trump has ANY brains at all, he will be the most polite Donald he has ever been in his life. Not Reality TV Donald. Not MAGA Donald. This should be Napoleon Donald. Never interfere with an enemy when he’s in the process of destroying himself. Shake his opponent’s hand, let him talk, don’t interrupt – and watch Biden commit seppuku on stage. Let America watch how CNN covers for him.
This is especially true when JoeBot 9000 glitches out. Let him glitch out. Say nothing. Make no communicative gestures. Just stand there while he glitches out. And for any question he’s asked that even screams of “gotcha” – just point to the economy and international affairs in 2020. In fact, be conciliatory. “You asked me to leave in 2020. I did. Are you better off in 2024?” Point to jobs, cost of goods, Ukraine, (not Afghanistan, since that was his idea), the LGBT pedo creep, environmental insanity, and the border and horrific violent crime caused by border jumpers. Pivot any J6 question or criminal trial questions back to the economy or the border. And if he's really smart, instead of bashing the Democrats, he'll answer really important questions with a clear and decisive plan: how to de-escalate Russia/Ukraine; how he plans to implement his tariffs and eliminate taxes and how all that will work; how he plans to aid Israel in purging the middle east of Iranian terrorism. These are things people want to know. Not just the campaigning and promises. The ACTUAL plans.
And then, the following day, call out everyone in the Biden Administration and the mainstream media for their elder abuse. Including and especially Biden’s despicable wife, and the journalistic trash that is CNN.
Now, listen, this ain’t me trying to help Donald. He still hasn’t earned my vote – and he’s really running out of time to do so. I’m just saying – there’s a right way to handle this debate, and a very very very wrong way to. This is Donald’s chance to show himself a Stateman. I honestly believe he’ll fail completely in that, but I’ve shown you the blueprint of how he could succeed.
And, for the record - in case he or his footsoldiers are watching - offer a realistic plan on how to effect the mass detention/deportation of the criminal illegals. Step by step, how it would target, how it would implement, and how it would get as many of these border jumping criminals out of this country as possible as fast as possible.
If he shows me a real, legit, implementable plan for that - he'll get my vote.
(I would also accept making LGBT pedo identification a jailable offense - but that's a tall order that I don't think he could deliver even if he genuinely tried.)
If he were Napoleon Donald, wouldn't he just meet his Waterloo at the hands of a multinational coalition a few months after his re-election?
I think the best case scenario is they both have heart attacks on stage and die
I was thinking simultaneous strokes, but fatal in any event.
Not wishing either one of them bad, but this country needs a functioning adult in the office.
Yep, and we had one a term back.
What we really need is voters with at least two brain cells; you lose.
I'm voting for the lesser of two evils (Trump) with the expectation that nothing will be done to reign in government bureaucracy.
You know, the party that nominated an antifa supporting gay race nazi in a shady backroom deal after someone else had won 5 rounds of voting really doesn't get to talk, right?
And, Reason, get over it. You're never going to make 'Polis' happen.
Or 'Amash'.
Watching it live now.
Biden is a wreck. Propping his ass up on stage is elder abuse.
Trump is an asshole who can't let shit go. He needs to move onto the next topic instead of going back to get the last word.
But yeah, anyone who still thinks Biden is still mentally sound is an idiot.
That was the most shameful display I have ever seen.
Well it happened. Now what?
But back to the premise of the article -- why would a libertarian writer want the two major parties to get their shit together?