Supreme Court Upholds the Rule of Law by Rejecting the Trump Administration's Bump Stock Ban
Six justices agreed that federal regulators had misconstrued the statutory definition of a machine gun.

The U.S. Supreme Court today ruled that the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) exceeded its statutory authority when it purported to ban bump stocks by classifying them as machine guns. Although the Court's decision in Garland v. Cargill does not involve the Second Amendment, it upholds the rule of law and the separation of powers by striking a blow against bureaucratic attempts to impose new gun controls without congressional approval. The bump stock ban is one of several such attempts, two of which faced judicial setbacks shortly before the Supreme Court's bump stock ruling.
"This decision helps [rein] in an out-of-control federal government that has no respect for the People of the United States or our rights," said Brandon Combs, president of the Firearms Policy Coalition (FPC). "The President cannot change the law to fit his policy preferences."
The products targeted by the ATF rule that the Supreme Court rejected are designed to assist bump firing, which involves pushing a rifle forward to activate the trigger by bumping it against a stationary finger, then allowing recoil energy to push the rifle backward, which resets the trigger. As long as the shooter maintains the requisite amount of forward pressure and keeps his finger in place, the rifle will fire repeatedly. The "interpretive rule" at issue in this case, which was published in December 2018 and took effect three months later, banned stock replacements that facilitate this technique by allowing the rifle's receiver to slide back and forth.
The National Firearms Act of 1934 "defines a 'machinegun' as any weapon capable of firing 'automatically more than one shot…by a single function of the trigger,'" Justice Clarence Thomas notes in the majority opinion, which was joined by five of his colleagues. The definition also covers parts that are "designed and intended…for use in converting a weapon" into a machine gun. "We hold that a semiautomatic rifle equipped with a bump stock is not a 'machinegun' because it cannot fire more than one shot 'by a single function of the trigger,'" Thomas writes. And "even if it could, it would not do so 'automatically.' ATF therefore exceeded its statutory authority by issuing a Rule that classifies bump stocks as machineguns."
For nearly a decade, the ATF "took the position that semiautomatic rifles equipped with bump stocks were not machineguns under the statute," Thomas notes. "On more than 10 separate occasions over several administrations, ATF consistently concluded that rifles equipped with bump stocks cannot 'automatically' fire more than one shot 'by a single function of the trigger.'" The dissenting opinion by Justice Sonia Sotomayor, which was joined by Justices Elena Kagan and Kentaji Brown Jackson, glides over this illuminating history, which it mentions only in a footnote.
The ATF "abruptly reversed course," Thomas notes, after a gunman used rifles equipped with bump stocks to kill 58 people at a Las Vegas music festival in October 2017. That horrifying crime inspired several bills that would have banned bump stocks. But President Donald Trump, who maintained that new legislation was unnecessary, instructed the ATF to impose a ban by administrative fiat. Because that approach contradicted the statutory definition of "machinegun" and the ATF's longstanding interpretation of it, supporters of a legislative ban warned, it would inspire court challenges that were apt to succeed.
Because "the ATF lacks authority under the law to ban bump-fire stocks," Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D–California) said, "legislation is the only answer." Noting that "the law has not changed," Feinstein warned that "the gun lobby and manufacturers will have a field day" with the ATF's "about face," which relied partly on "a dubious analysis claiming that bumping the trigger is not the same as pulling it."
Feinstein was right. After surrendering two bump stocks to the ATF under protest, Texas gun shop owner Michael Cargill filed a lawsuit challenging the rule in the U.S. District Court for the Western District of Texas. Although a federal judge and a three-judge panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit upheld the rule, the appeals court reversed those rulings in an en banc decision last year.
"A plain reading of the statutory language, paired with close consideration of the mechanics of a semi-automatic firearm, reveals that a bump stock is excluded from the technical definition of 'machinegun' set forth in the Gun Control Act and National Firearms Act," Judge Jennifer Walker Elrod wrote in the majority opinion. And even if that were not true, Elrod said, "the rule of lenity," which requires construing an ambiguous criminal statute in a defendant's favor, would preclude the government from punishing people for owning bump stocks.
That decision clashed with a 2022 ruling in which the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit concluded that the ATF had followed "the best interpretation of the statute." By contrast, a plurality of eight 5th Circuit judges agreed that the ATF had violated the plain meaning of the statute. In resolving that circuit split, the Supreme Court endorsed the latter view.
During oral arguments in February, Principal Deputy Solicitor General Brian H. Fletcher conceded that "an expert" can bump-fire a rifle "without any assistive device at all" and that "you can also do it if you have a lot of expertise by hooking your finger into a belt loop or using a rubber band or something else like that to hold your finger in place." Dodging the logical implication that all semiautomatic rifles are machine guns, the ATF maintained that the additional assistance offered by bump stocks made a crucial difference.
One problem with the ATF's position was that semiautomatic rifles by definition fire just one round for each "function of the trigger." With or without a bump stock, the trigger has to be released and reactivated to fire additional rounds. In trying to get around that basic fact, Thomas notes, the ATF relied on "the mistaken premise that there is a difference between a shooter flexing his finger to pull the trigger and a shooter pushing the firearm forward to bump the trigger against his stationary finger." It "call[ed] the shooter's initial trigger pull a 'function of the trigger' while ignoring the subsequent 'bumps' of the shooter's finger against the trigger before every additional shot."
The statute, however, "does not define a machinegun based on what type of human input engages the trigger—whether it be a pull, bump, or something else," Thomas writes. "Nor does it define a machinegun based on whether the shooter has assistance engaging the trigger. The statutory definition instead hinges on how many shots discharge when the shooter engages the trigger."
Illustrating the problems with the ATF's workaround, the agency's reasoning contradicted itself. The rule "defines 'function of the trigger' to include not only 'a single pull of the trigger' but also any 'analogous motions,'" Thomas notes. "ATF concedes that one such analogous motion that qualifies as a single function of the trigger is 'sliding the rifle forward' to bump the trigger." If so, "every bump is a separate 'function of the trigger,"' and semiautomatic rifles equipped with bump stocks are therefore not machineguns."
The ATF claimed "a semiautomatic rifle equipped with a bump stock fires more than one shot by a single function of the trigger because a shooter 'need only pull the trigger and maintain forward pressure' to 'activate continuous fire,'" Thomas notes. "If that is correct, however, then the same should be true for a semiautomatic rifle without a bump stock. After all, as the dissent and ATF themselves acknowledge, a shooter manually bump firing a semiautomatic rifle can achieve continuous fire by holding his trigger finger stationary and maintaining forward pressure with his nontrigger hand." Yet "they agree that a semiautomatic rifle without a bump stock 'fires only one shot each time the shooter pulls the trigger,'" he adds. "Their argument is thus at odds with itself."
Another problem with the ATF rule was its definition of "automatically." The statute "specifies the precise action that must 'automatically' cause a weapon to fire 'more than one shot'—a 'single function of the trigger,'" Thomas writes. "If something more than a 'single function of the trigger' is required to fire multiple shots, the weapon does not satisfy the statutory definition."
Bump firing "requires more than a single function of the trigger," Thomas notes. "A shooter must also actively maintain just the right amount of forward pressure on the rifle's front grip with his nontrigger hand. Too much forward pressure and the rifle will not slide back far enough to release and reset the trigger, preventing the rifle from firing
another shot. Too little pressure and the trigger will not bump the shooter's trigger finger with sufficient force to fire another shot. Without this ongoing manual input, a semiautomatic rifle with a bump stock will not fire multiple shots."
The ATF tried to rebut that point by arguing that firing a machine gun also requires additional action: The shooter must keep the trigger depressed. But "simply pressing and holding the trigger down on a fully automatic rifle is not manual input in addition to a trigger's function—it is what causes the trigger to function in the first place," Thomas writes. "By contrast, pushing forward on the front grip of a semiautomatic rifle equipped with a bump stock is not part of functioning the trigger. After all, pushing on the front grip will not cause the weapon to fire unless the shooter also engages the trigger with his other hand. Thus, while a fully automatic rifle fires multiple rounds 'automatically…by a single function of the trigger,' a semiautomatic rifle equipped with a bump stock can achieve the same result only by a single function of the trigger and then some."
While all this arcane analysis might seem like nitpicking, it is exactly what a court must do in seeking to apply a statute as written. As Fletcher conceded, Congress did not define a machine gun by rate of fire. "This is not a rate-of-fire statute," he said. "It's a function statute." Although it may seem logical that any weapon that can approximate a machine gun's rate of fire should be placed in the same category, that is not the law Congress wrote.
"There can be little doubt that the Congress that enacted [this law] would not have seen any material difference between a machinegun and a semiautomatic rifle equipped with a bump stock," Justice Samuel Alito writes in a concurring opinion. "But the statutory text is clear, and we must follow it."
Although the Las Vegas mass shooting "demonstrated that a semiautomatic rifle with a bump stock can have the same lethal effect as a machinegun," Alito writes, "an event that highlights the need to amend a law does not itself change the law's meaning. There is a simple remedy for the disparate treatment of bump stocks and machineguns. Congress can amend the law—and perhaps would have done so already if ATF had stuck with its earlier interpretation. Now that the situation is clear, Congress can act."
Whatever the merits of a bump stock ban, in other words, regulators cannot rewrite the law to impose one, especially when that decision transforms gun owners who abided by the law as the ATF had repeatedly explained it into felons overnight. Similar bureaucratic reversals concerning pistol braces, homemade guns, and the definition of firearm dealers raise the same basic problem.
Yesterday a federal judge in Texas vacated an ATF rule that redefined pistols with braces as short-barreled rifles under the National Firearms Act. U.S. District Judge Reed O'Connor described the rule as "unlawful" and "illegitimate." The ATF under the Biden administration "hates us so much that it lawlessly acted to turn millions of gun owners into felons," the FPC's Combs said, "but FPC and our members ran towards the fire and defeated this evil."
In another Texas case this week, a federal judge temporarily blocked an ATF rule that sought to expand background checks for gun buyers by requiring that anyone who sells guns to "predominantly earn a profit" obtain a dealer license. U.S. District Judge Matthew Kacsmaryk concluded that the plaintiffs were "substantially likely to succeed on the merits" of their claim that ATF had misconstrued the statutory definition of "engaged in the business" of selling firearms.
All of these cases raise an issue that goes far beyond the particulars of gun regulation. Due process, the rule of law, and the separation of powers preclude the executive branch from inventing new crimes by twisting the meaning of statutes in response to political pressure.
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Ironically we have to thank Trump's supreme court appointments for this.
Twat, HOW COULD THIS BE?!?!?! Trump, on the side of FUCKING THE PEOPLE AND THEIR RIGHTS, over?!?! And over and over, and over AGAIN?!?! Color me SHOCKED!!! SHOCKED, I say, SHOCKED!!!
(If shit helps HIM to move ahead politically, who are mere little old WE to judge?)
Indeed.
Indeed, Der TrumpFenFarter-Fuhrer FAILED to mind-cuntrol His Sacred Appointments to the SCROTUS!!! Next thing ya know, He will FAIL to mind-cuntrol us ALL, ass is His Sacred DUTY, damn-shit-all!!!!
Right. Trump didn't control the Supreme Court.
Gee. Trump takes action that causes the Congress to do nothing and the Court throws out the rule. Master play by Trump.
4D chess man,
No, you missed it. The REAL irony is that the leftist side of the court, who wrote the dissent, just guaranteed that most rifles, especially the AR15 and AR10, cannot be EVER be banned. They plainly admitted that it would be 100% unconstitutional.
Can you explain this further? What did they say in the dissent?
This was the opening paragraph from the Sotomayor dissent (emphasis mine):
On October 1, 2017, a shooter opened fire from a hotel room overlooking an outdoor concert in Las Vegas, Nevada, in what would become the deadliest mass shooting in U. S. history. Within a matter of minutes, using several hundred rounds of ammunition, the shooter killed 58 people and wounded over 500. He did so by affixing bump stocks to commonly available, semiautomatic rifles. These simple devices harness a rifle’s recoil energy to slide the rifle back and forth and repeatedly “bump” the shooter’s stationary trigger finger, creating rapid fire. All the shooter had to do was pull the trigger and press the gun forward. The bump stock did the rest.
Now, let’s head on over to Heller. Again, emphasis mine.
United States v. Miller, 307 U. S. 174, does not limit the right to keep and bear arms to militia purposes, but rather limits the type of weapon to which the right applies to those used by the militia, i. e., those in common use for lawful purposes. … Miller’s holding that the sorts of weapons protected are those “in common use at the time” finds support in the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons.
We think that Miller’s “ordinary military equipment” language must be read in tandem with what comes after: “[O]rdinarily when called for [militia] service [able-bodied] men were expected to appear bearing arms supplied by themselves and of the kind in common use at the time.”
I don’t know if Sotomayor intended that, or just – lol – shot herself in the foot. But by putting the Vegas shooter’s weaponry – mainly AR15’s and AR10s – in the context of “commonly available,” she SPECIFICALLY described them as the sorts of weapons explicitly protected under the Heller decision.
Meaning that the so-called “left” side of the Supreme Court – Sotomayor, Kagan, and Jackson – have acknowledged that they understand and agree that AR15’s and AR10s are the sorts of guns that the 2nd Amendment was intended to protect. (Diversity hires, am I right?) Which means that if a Democrat Congress ever takes a step to ban them, Congressional Republicans can go to town on them pointing out that even the most perceived leftists of SCOTUS know and HAVE to agree that it’s unconstitutional and that the law cannot stand.
This isn’t just a win on the bump stocks. This is a slam dunk, grand slam home run, superbowl win against gun control in general.
Now they need to explain how the Second Amendment wasn't infringed by the 1934 National Firearms Act in the first place. The Second Amendment was written to expressly protect the right of the citizens (who comprised the militia) to own arms of military usefulness, comparable to the infantry weapons of potential enemy armies. Instead they banned machine guns in an attempt to quell the gangland violence generated by the failed attempt to ban the sale and distribution of alcohol.
…”a well regulated militia”. You’re reading far too much into what the 2nd Amendment was/is. Our well regulated militia is the National Guard, not some backyard bozo.
"the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed"
This means military arms. That's what the "well regulated militia" part makes clear. 2A is not about keeping a rifle or shotgun for hunting.
You omit the key phase "shall not be infringed". ANY limits on arms and similar weaponry are expressly and absolutely prohibited by the constitution. Any court decisions to the contrary are inherently unconstitutional.
Fun factoid: The term “brass knuckles” as Americans know it came into being during the Civil War when other metals were in short supply. Their use was not uncommon by law enforcement they were carried by Lincoln’s personal bodyguards. The term knuckle duster loosely connotes a slight difference from brass knuckles in that the latter interlaces between the fingers. This is noted in the difference between the M1917 “knuckle duster” trench knife and the M1917/18 Mark I “Brass knuckle” trench knife, both of which saw use in both World Wars.
Despite all that, they are prohibited or outright banned in 21 of our 50 states. Using or even simply possessing them will, likely as not, convert you from a victim to a suspect.
Those trench-knives were nasty.
I want one so much.
The main reason the 2nd even exists is because some states feared having a standing federal army.
The militia was supposed to protect the country. Sadly, you can’t go around conquering the world with a militia.
Sadly? That's one of its big advantages (the others being that decisions about defense are thoroughly distributed to individuals and a dramatically reduced cost).
I don’t always do ironing right.
'Well-regulated' in historic 1780's vernacular, meant 'organized, professional, & well-equipped'.
If you were to re-word the 2nd Amendment into modern usage, you could paraphrase it as: Because the Government will need a professional army with useful & deadly weapons, the Government is restricted from preventing ordinary citizens from possessing the same.
Keep in mind, these guys had just won a brutal war against their prior government, which had abused them in a number of ways, including attempting to disarm them. Why do you think the 3rd Amendment is so specific? Same reason.
Some people can’t comprehend the fact that language can change over time.
No it didn't. It meant smoothly function. There were regulated clocks. Professional had nothing to do with it, and the closest it cam to organized was self-organized.
Keep your statist ideas out of it.
An army regular was a common infantry soldier.
"Regular", meaning the soldiers were uniformly equipped. "Well-regulated" meant that your citizen militiamen showed up with weapons suitable for military use, and not pitchforks and axe handles.
Sense of “soldier of a standing army” is from 1756.Regular
The Patriots referred to British troops sent against them as Regulars.
We got around to training up our own, in the next war.
Battle of Chippawa
There are three legitimate ways it can be interpreted.
1. A well-regulated militia is necessary for defense; otherwise, defense of the nation and the states would fall to a professonal military, a standing army, which the founders rightly feared could embroil us in foreign wars, and could be used to oppress the people.
2. If a well-regulated militia (or any military force) is necessary, it should consist of the entirety of the people, not just a select few who could turn tyrannical or tolerate being sent abroad into foreign wars.
3. The founders experience in the Revolution led them to the understanding that a militia comprised of the people would be necessary to resist tyranny. And the best way to ensure that the militia could not be disarmed was for the militia, the people themselves, to possess their own arms individually rather than have them stored in a central location, like an armory, where they could be seized enmasse. Think Concord armory, 1775.
"Our well regulated militia is the National Guard, not some backyard bozo."
No. The National Guard is only the "select" or organized militia. Traditionally, the militia was all citizens capable of bearing arms and able to be organized into a military force. Read below from Militia Act of 1903:
10 USC § 311 (2011)
§311. Militia: composition and classes
(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are—
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.
That doesn’t make sense. The U.S. constitution was ratified in 1788. The army national guard wasn’t formed 1792.
Bzzzt! Try again, if you are even trying.
There was no National Guard in 1787 or 1865. There has always been a militia of all males 16-45 or such.
But you can be the bozo who joins the National Guard. Besides, everyone starts out an idiot unless they know how to impress higher rank.
1. All able-bodied males between 17and 42 are part of the militia.
2. The National Guard didn’t exist when the constitution was written so it couldn’t be the ‘well-regulated militia’ that you think the 2nd protects the rights of.
3. There are no other places in the constitution where a right is a *collective right* (as the right of a ‘well regulated militia’ would be) but you think the 2nd is the one place where that occurs.
4. Rights don’t come from the constitution. It lists the structure, duties, and responsibilities of the government and includes a small – but not comprehensive – list of rights the government is required to respect and protect but you think its not?
Thanks to sites like gutenberg.org, we know that "well regulated" was an idiom meaning "functions according to expectations".
People ŵho could freely buy guns would naturally practice with them, and become proficient marksmen.
Had gun ownership been conditioned on militia membership, no woman could have owned a gun till the mid-1950s, when the Guard accepted their first females.
lol, another Ed who is a horse’s ass AND can’t read plain English? Sorry, we’ve got our fill here.
The original Ed was an equine, these guys are more like asses.
Claiming that militia in the 2nd amendment means the National Guard is like claiming that slavery in the 13th amendment means being owned by a non-white. It's a twisting of the term that puts pretzels to shame.
There's also the way "regulated" has drifted in meaning. It now has connotations of "restricted, limited, or inhibited" that it didn't have when the Bill of Rights was ratified, and that has been used to justify all sorts of bad laws.
*Akchewally* - the 1934 NFA was targeting *all guns*, especially handguns (which were seen (and actually were) the preferred guns of criminals even way back then) not machine guns specifically. The NRA threw its support behind the machine gun restrictions in exchange for getting mention of handguns removed.
Congress crafted the NFA to fall under its taxing and spending powers. Anybody with $200 could buy a Tommy gun.
They had to rifle through the regulations to determine how to rule on this.
Fortunately, Trump appointed justices of sufficient caliber to reach the right decision.
Just what is it they are aiming for?
Oh buddy, if you can't see that, take off the scope covers!
Another shot in the dark.
Someone seems triggered.
Pfbbt! Regulations? Just DOPE it, dial it, and send it.
I don think so. The smart justices knew the bump stock ban was not legal. Heck, Feinstein knew it was overreach. The well written opinion is only for those of use who respect the constitution. The lefties don’t care about the constitution.
If all of the Justices were as wise as Sotomayor, the nit-picky details of the actual law might have been overlooked to make the world feel like a safer place:
“When I see a bird that walks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, I call that bird a duck,” she wrote in reference to bump stocks enabling semiautomatic rifles to operate like machine guns.
"Actual law"...nice. Your determination as it suits you and your cohorts.
No, he means the actual text of the law, not his opinion of it. What constitutes a machine gun is defined in the law. So for the purposes of the law, that's what a machine gun is. And bump stocks are not machineguns according to the actual law (as opposed to the ATF's interpretation of it).
To put it in a way you might understand, the law does not ban anything that walks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it just bans ducks. Cargill, et al, demonstrated that the bird in question is not a duck, and therefore not banned under the current law.
From the other side as well, even *if* the law banned anything that swimmed, walked, talked like a duck. If I took a penguin and made it act like a duck. The act of using a penguin that swims, walks, and talks like a duck is the crime. Not penguins, not any tools or materials I used to make the penguin swim, walk, and talk like a duck. The swimming, walking, and talking like a duck are the crime. The crime not intrinsically or necessarily defined solely by the means or circumstances by which it occurs is rather fundamental to jurisprudence.
Trans penguins ARE penguins!
Penduck > Trunk bear.
But that was her dissent.
She thinks it looks like a duck, therefore it must be a duck.
Turns out KBJ isn't the only justice who isn't a biologist.
JFC. They make Gorsuch's deferral on "Would you rather fight 100 duck-sized horses or 1 horse-sized duck?" seem well reasoned.
“make the world feel like a safer place:”
Feel like it. The Las Vegas shooter would have killed more people if he had aimed each shot rather than “sprayed” shots not individually aimed. He had more than enough time to get off hundreds of individually aimed shots at a confined group of people.
The executive branch taking upon itself the power to reinterpret law is dangerous.
A guy with a compound bow and a shit ton of arrows could have killed that many if not more, especially since the people weren't able to shoot back.
Nobody needs a quiver that holds more than 10 arrows.
Ollie Queen and Clint Barton might disagree.
And yet, courts cannot tell that a bee is not a fish.
“The issue presented here is whether the bumblebee, a terrestrial invertebrate, falls within the definition of fish, as that term is used in the definitions of endangered species in section 2062, threatened species in section 2067, and candidate species (i.e., species being considered for listing as endangered or threatened species) in section 2068 of the Act,” wrote California’s Third District Court of Appeal in its ruling.
The California Endangered Species Act was designed to protect “native species or subspecies of a bird, mammal, fish, amphibian, reptile, or plant.”
In 2020, the Sacramento County Superior Court found the “invertebrates” listed in the definition of fish referred only to marine invertebrates – not insects like bumblebees – and the California Fish and Game Commission lacked authority to list invertebrates under the act.
Tuesday’s ruling overruled the decision, finding “fish” can indeed include bumblebees, at least for the sake of the California Endangered Species Act.
This is another example of textual analysis. The CA legislature defined "fish" as "a wild fish, mollusk, crustacean, invertebrate, amphibian, or part, spawn, or ovum of any of those animals" so the legal definition of "fish" in CA includes many things that are clearly not fish, and is reasonably interpreted to include bees (under "invertebrates")
For certain values of "reasonable", which is to say the values of "reasonable" that include "unreasonable".
Not contextually "reasonable". Indeed, it is a twisted interpretation of the word in context to include "all invertebrates of any kind" and not just aquatic invertebrates.
Much like calling a penalty a tax.
The words were intentionally twisted to produce the desired outcome.
Then she gets busted for shooting a goose without the proper stamp.
Joe is big mad.
Notwithstanding this decision, my Administration will continue to take action. I took on the NRA and signed the Bipartisan Safer Communities Act — the most significant gun violence reduction legislation to pass Congress in nearly 30 years. My Administration established the first ever White House office of Gun Violence Prevention, made historical investments in mental health to support people in times of crisis, and expanded background checks to keep firearms out of the wrong hands.
The people of Chicago feel safer, I’m sure.
Joe couldn’t even keep his own crackhead son from getting a gun.
Yeah, I wasn't clear that "made historical investments in mental health to support people in times of crisis" wasn't self-referencing.
Biden's been stroking his limp pecker to that rote bullshit for years. Sucks for him the Second Amendment continues to undermine his hoplophobic tripe.
I was a bit indifferent to the policy of a bump stock ban, and considered it a silly, ineffectual over-reaction to a single (but horrific) incident. But, I don't use bump stocks, or know anyone who does - it's a bit of a novelty item. Perhaps if I did, I would feel differently.
However, my main beef with the policy was doing it completely through the Executive Branch, without any bill or law from Congress. If they want to ban something that has previously been legal, then they need to pass a law to do just that. Not change some bureaucratic rule on a whim. There needs to be debate, and people need to be on record voting for or against it. That way, voters on either side of the issue have some political recourse if they don't like the outcome.
That’s old school thinking.
Let's make grenades legal. I don't use them, and probably neither do you as they are a bit of a novelty item, so why care?
Grenades are legal, they require an ATF Form 4 and $200 tax stamp per, once you find someone with any for sale that is.
And requirements to submit federal paperwork and pay a tax is an infringement on keeping and bearing those grenades -- and absolute prohibition in the constitution.
I had a dummy grenade, one of those blue spooned with the noise maker that had been fired, hanging from my rifle rack. I got pulled over and the cop claimed that he pulled me over because he saw the grenade and since he had been over in Desert Storm 1 his "spider sense" went off when he saw the grenade. His words, not mine.
I got it at an army surplus store and figured I'd make some civilian shit his pants by pulling the pin and tossing it into the bed of their big old truck.
Like pointing a fake gun at someone. What could possibly go wrong?
Sounds good and I'm completely on board. Artillery, Tomahawk missiles, and F-16s should also be legal for private ownerships.
Even or especially with "good faith" and "common sense" controls.
You want to build a nuclear reactor that could, accidentally, level every building within a quarter mile? If you don't have any neighbors for a quarter mile, or they're fine with it, and the bank will lend you the money... cool! Vlog about it so we can all see the progress, wouldja?
Unfortunately, shitheads have turned "good faith" into "We will lie about kids and people defending themselves to the point that it costs us millions in defamation suits and, even then, we will still go after the people who facilitated the self-defense."
At the founding of the country, private individuals owned cannons. There was never a problem. Explosives were legal throughout most of U.S. history; yet explosive incidents were extremely rare. Despite being illegal, explosive devices are relatively easy to build. Just empty out smokeless powder from ammunition into a pipe bomb, or do a McVeigh. Yet, even those incidents are extremely rare.
Some private individuals even owned warships to carry their cannon around on.
The first dynamite bomb in a mail box was done by socialist terrorists in New York in the 1920s. Killed a handful of folks.
Do a mcveigh? You mean be the patsy and fall guy for an atf run terrorist op?
Hey, if you could afford an F-16, more power to you. I just want a bazooka.
I want a tank. One that can run highway speeds so I can interdict the trade of our enemies in case we go to war with Canada or Mexico.
I'd personally settle for a "Killdozer."
Since you're engaging in false equivocation, why stop there? How a Trident submarine and some ICBMs to go with it?
No, we are talking about bearing arms; small arms you can carry on your person. Try to stick to the subject without devolving into illogical un-reasoning.
Agreed.
What goes unproven is that the Vegas shooter's damage was increased by the use of bump stocks.
He was firing into a packed crowd from above. It didn't much matter where his shots landed, or if they came slightly faster.
Boy. The commentariat at the Washington Post is mad because the Court exercised its function of interpretation of laws passed by the legislature. Too bad the law’s author didn’t get it right.
Really? Competitive shooters can pop off around 5 rounds per second with a well tuned ar-15 without a bump stock.
Bump stocks increase rate of fire to about 7.5 rounds per second. Downside is decreased reliability
M-16 are about 15 per second in full auto.
Consider an average AR magazine holds 30 rounds, it wasn’t the bump stock. It was the number of weapons the shooter was able to store in his room.
Which he was miraculously able to take up to his room without hotel staff noticing.
Because someone carrying suitcases through a hotel lobby is so unusual?
Repeatedly, to the same room, without taking anything out? Yeah, that's unusual.
Why is it all about a Trump? Just shows how leftist tReason is. This article should be about the Biden crime family because every article should be about the Biden crime family. Any article that isn't about the Biden crime family is defending the Biden crime family.
Poor sarc
*Article shits on Trump*
Sarcasmic - "Why is it all about a Trump? Just shows how leftist tReason is"
This is why you shouldn't drink pipe cleaner, kids.
I'm glad you're here to see the conservative court just kill a Trump mistake of which all (3) leftard judges dissented.
Since you are such a TDS inflicted partisan shill.
Uncle Joe was mad about it too.
Imagine defending one Trumps worst decisions.
Trump's worst is Joe's best.
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I don’t carry a gun. I’m not a great shot and I lack training. Doing so would be inviting trouble that I don’t know how to handle.
He’s too unstable to own a gun.
Did Jacob make sure to give him credit for the fact it was his Supreme Court picks that gave this ruling and shit all over Biden and Obama’s picks?
SCOTUS improves tons after Trump.
But the (2) Obama appointees and (1) Biden appointee still think their job is to dissent against the US Constitution (kill the USA) and vote for more [Na]tional So[zi]alist policies on whims and excuses.
OK, so let’s see if Trump Republicans will enact a regulation for the BATF to enforce. I’m not holding my breath. No longer breathing normally, of course, are the civilians murdered in Las Vegas by the homicidal maniac who no doubt loved his bump stocks more than he respected human life.
And by the way, who uses bump stocks for hunting (other than shooting wolves from a helicopter maybe) or requires them for home defense?
Yeah; Just lie down and take your shooting from homicidal maniacs and sacrifice yourself to a pack of hungry wolves like a man! You don’t need that much self-defense power. Only homicidal maniacs do. /s
"the civilians murdered in Las Vegas by the homicidal maniac who no doubt loved his bump stocks more than he respected human life."
It wuz the bump stock that tipped him over the edge. He never would have killed nobody if'n it twernt fer that infernal device.
You're going to be really sad when you find out how this decision also made it impossible for the federal government to ban AR15s.
And Trump had nothing to do with that.
1. My sister and Brother-in-Law were present for the Vegas shooting. I still think the bump stock ban was a silly over-reaction. So do they.
2. I could be mistaken, but I don't believe that you're allowed to shoot wolves from helicopters without a lot of previously filed paperwork with a number of agencies. See: https://reason.com/2024/06/07/california-youtuber-faces-10-years-for-having-too-much-fun-with-fireworks/
Okay. So if a gun sounds like Elvis performing “Jailhouse Rock” with his free hand, then it must be a machine gun. (I got it … d-didn’t I?)
So, are they also requiring the ATF to return surrendered bump stocks?
>"Supreme Court Upholds the Rule of Law by Rejecting the Trump Administration's Bump Stock Ban"
1. Remember, it was *TRUMP'S* ban! TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP! ORANGEMANBAD!
2. So, is the Hunter prosecution also upholding the rule of law?
It's fair, in that it's upholding the law, but people like Tom Massie are correct in asserting that it shouldn't be the law at all. On the one hand, I agree that the law should be applied equally, but this particular one should be equally repealed for everyone.
Not holding my breath for Congress to do that, but it would be a nice, rare, moment of bipartisan legislation in a positive direction.
February 20, 2018:
“Following the deadly school shooting in Florida on Feb. 14, President Trump is directing the Department of Justice to develop regulations to ban bump stocks. “Just a few moments ago I signed a memorandum directing the AG to propose regulations to ban all devices that turn legal weapons into machine guns. I expect that these critical regulations will be finalized, Jeff, very soon,” Trump said, referring to Attorney General Jeff Sessions. “We can do more to protect our children. We must do more to protect our children,” Trump said ahead of a Medal of Valor awards ceremony on Tuesday.”
“Shortly afterward, the Justice Department started the process of amending firearms regulations to define bump stocks as machine guns. ATF received about 186,000 comments on the proposal.”
Trump did claim credit for it. But I’m sure you think he was just lying about claiming credit for it…
YES! YES! Remind us how ORANGEMANBAD! AGAIN! AGAIN!
At least you know the truth.
Why aren’t we talking about the Biden crime family?
Poor sarc, so broken.
That’s a good question, seeing as Joe has been a corrupt piece of shit for 50+ years. And just recently basically threatened the American people with the use of fighter jets against them (for the 4th fucking time during his administration). And said he will keep pushing for gun restrictions.
Why aren’t we talking about all of that?
Nobody should be surprised with Justice Alito's concurrence in Cargill. Quoting from then 3rd Circuit Court of Appeals Judge Samuel Alito's dissent in US v. Rybar, 103 F. 3d 273 (1996).
"This would not preclude adequate regulation of the private possession of machine guns. Needless to say, the Commerce Clause does not prevent the states from regulating machine gun possession, as all of the jurisdictions within our circuit have done...Moreover, the statute challenged here would satisfy the demands of the Commerce Clause if Congress simply added a jurisdictional element — a common feature of federal laws in this field and one that has not posed any noticeable problems for federal law enforcement. In addition, as I explain below, 18 U.S.C. § 922(o) might be sustainable in its current form if Congress made findings that the purely intrastate possession of machine guns has a substantial effect on interstate commerce or if Congress or the Executive assembled empirical evidence documenting such a link."
"In another Texas case this week, a federal judge temporarily blocked an ATF rule that sought to expand background checks for gun buyers by requiring that anyone who sells guns to "predominantly earn a profit" obtain a dealer license. U.S. District Judge Matthew Kacsmaryk concluded that the plaintiffs were "substantially likely to succeed on the merits" of their claim that ATF had misconstrued the statutory definition of "engaged in the business" of selling firearms."
And yet, the suspect language was not invented by the ATF...
"On June 25, 2022, President Joe Biden signed into law the
Bipartisan Safer Communities Act (BSCA; P.L. 117-159).
Section 12002 of P.L. 117-159 amends definitions related
to firearms dealer licensure in the Gun Control Act of 1968
(GCA, 18 U.S.C. §§921 et seq.). Under the GCA, the
definition of engaged in the business undergirds provisions
that require persons buying and selling firearms at the
wholesale or retail level to be federally licensed as firearms
dealers. Section 12002 of P.L. 117-159 amends a
subparagraph of the GCA definition of engaged in the
business as it pertains to federally licensed firearms dealers
by striking the language “with the principal objective of
livelihood and profit,” and replacing it with “to
predominantly earn a profit.”
Although the ... shooting "demonstrated that a semiautomatic rifle with a bump stock can have the same lethal effect as a machinegun," Alito writes, "an event that highlights the need to amend a law does not itself change the law's meaning... Now that the situation is clear, Congress can act."
This could go down with Marbury v Madison as a very fundamental ruling. Agencies don't get to change laws, only congress can change a law. Time for these guys to grow up and start doing their job.
No. No. No. The Court is supposed to know what the legislature really meant, regardless of what they stated in the legislation. Just ask any Democrat.
And when Congress, through multiple, repeated attempts to "fix" some law that they KNOW to not reflect the intent they want the law to have at the moment but failing to carry the day, is NOT grounds for the President (any President) to say "Well, Congress didn't act, so I will." The courts and SCOTUS should also pay attention.
E.g., Congress tried many time to pass DREAM act, failed. So when Obama enacted the provisions by fiat, it was wrong.
E.g., Congress tried several times to change the Civil Rights act to include sexual orientation, so when SCOTUS squinted and found sexual orientation in the language, it was wrong. Congress knew that "sex" and "sexual orientation" are two different things and that the law did not account for the latter. Their actions (and failure to make the change) made it clear that the legislation did not cover the later as Congress intended at the time.
This!
This was the right ruling.
Lawmakers make laws; law enforcement just enforces them.
I'd like the cops to have more power to keep us safe from the crook and the mugger and the carjacker and the gang member.
But lawmakers have to give cops this power; cops can't just take it for themselves.
Excellent article. Seems like the commentary is all "2nd" this and "2nd" that. The real basis of the decision is about the separation of powers between the executive and the legislative. This is a perfectly legitimate issue, especially nowadays.
But it strikes at the heart of the Deep State power structure. Denying the bureaucracy the privilege of pulling laws out of their asses is an existential threat to Big Government.
For which we should all be grateful to CJ Roberts and his concept of "major questions".
1. Clearly, merely increasing the rate of fire does not make something a machine gun. I assume Trump didn't care about the details.
2. If "arms" applies to the full panoply of modern arms, machine guns themselves are evidently covered by "shall not infringe" anyway - regardless of whether you want them to be. (But then one must logically interpret other Constitutional provisions similarly, e.g., what is meant by "press" and what constitutes "cruel and unusual",)
2.
I'm pretty sure Trump just wanted to not be thought of as a doctrinaire gun-rights guy, so in response to some recent headline shootings, he threw a bone to anti-violence sentiment. He may have been advised that it would eventually be struck down, but his hands would be off that. If there's anything Americans don't like in public policy, it's ideology or principle. Besides, it would affect very few people.
Sullum,
If "Trump's" bump stock ban is so bad of an idea, why is Schumer pushing a Bill through Congress to reinstate it?
Anything so that you can dump on Trump.
https://babylonbee.com/news/all-bump-stocks-lost-in-boating-accidents-back-in-2017-miraculously-wash-up-on-shore
I think my favorite part of that article is the generic-looking stock photo.
"Although it may seem logical that any weapon that can approximate a machine gun's rate of fire should be placed in the same category, that is not the law Congress wrote."
I give you Jerry Miculek, who can fire 16 rounds on target from an 8-shot revolver in 4 seconds, including the reload. Or 12 rounds from a 6-shot revolver in 2.9 seconds, including the reload.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FbUMqoyjDw&ab_channel=JerryMiculek-ProShooter
Since Jerry was in legal possession of his finger prior to 1986 does that mean he's grandfathered under the Hughe's amendment and just has to pay for the tax stamp?
I don’t want the SCOTUS to rule according to the Constitution, or according to notions like the separation of powers or preventing a tyranny of the majoirity; no I JUST WANT THEM TO GIVE ME THE POLICY I WANT!
[That would be pretty much anything you see in MSM or hear from academia, or progressive Democrats]