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Donald Trump

First Felon

Plus: The L.P. candidate for president, flooding in Brazil, TikTok influencers going after rich husbands, and more...

Liz Wolfe | 5.31.2024 9:30 AM

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Guilty on all counts: Last night, a jury found former President Donald Trump guilty on all 34 counts. He was convicted of falsifying business records to cover up hush money payments to porn star Stormy Daniels, with whom he had a tryst, in the lead-up to the 2016 election.

Sentencing, which may include prison time but does not necessarily, has been set for July 11. Trump still has appeals to exhaust, and Judge Juan M. Merchan could also choose to seek probation instead of throwing the presidential candidate in the slammer. In other words: There are a lot of different ways this could play out which would still allow Trump to campaign for president (and be elected).

Since this happened last night, we do not yet have polling data on how this verdict will affect the presidential race. But a recent Quinnipiac University poll found that 6 percent of Trump voters would be less likely to vote for their favored candidate if convicted, while "24 percent say they would be more likely to vote for him" and an impressive "68 percent say it would not make a difference." That 6 percent could be consequential in a tight race.

Critics on the left, many of whom are hungry for Trump to receive jail time, and those on the right who are willing to excuse his criminal and norms-shattering behavior time and time again are both frequently wrong, but in this particular case, the legal argument was mighty dubious, writes Reason's Jacob Sullum, and the verdict was perhaps reached too swiftly, providing fodder for the argument that this was politically motivated.

"In legal terms, the quick verdict is hard to fathom," writes Sullum. "That's not because there were so many counts to consider, each related to a specific invoice, check, or ledger entry allegedly aimed at disguising a hush-money reimbursement as payment for legal services. Once jurors accepted the prosecution's theory of the case, it was pretty much inevitable that they would find Trump guilty on all 34 counts. But that theory was complicated, confusing, and in some versions highly implausible, if not nonsensical."

The basics: One of the prosecution's basic arguments was that Trump falsified business records with "an intent to commit another crime or to aid or conceal the commission thereof." That other crime would be a violation of Section 17-152, a New York state election law that considers it a misdemeanor for "two or more persons" to "conspire to promote or prevent the election of any person to a public office by unlawful means."

But Judge Merchan told jurors they did not have to agree on what "unlawful means" were used, or what that even means, to reach a unanimous verdict. And prosecutors needed to convince jurors that Trump "knowingly and willfully" engaged in such criminal conspiracy with his fixer, Michael Cohen, which strains credulity: One argument, put forth by prosecutors, was that Cohen "made an excessive campaign contribution, thereby violating the Federal Election Campaign Act (FECA), when he fronted the money to pay Daniels" (per Sullum)—an offense Cohen pleaded guilty to several years ago and a piece of evidence jurors heard but were instructed to use "to assess Cohen's credibility" but not his guilt—but it is in fact quite plausible that Trump did not know that instructing Cohen to pay Daniels was illegal.

"The prosecutors zapped a dead misdemeanor back into life by claiming a violation under New York's election law 17-152," writes Jonathan Turley at The Hill. "The argument is that the crime was committed to further another crime as an unlawful means to influence the election. However, that other crime can be the falsification of business records. So the jury (or some jurors, at least) could find that some documents were falsified as an unlawful means of falsifying other documents."

HOODWINKED: It's all legally shaky, but that didn't stop prosecutors from making wild arguments (as they do), like one that the hush-money payment (also called "[an] effort to hoodwink the American voter") "could very well be what got President Trump elected" in 2016, and that the cover-up of the Daniels affair amounted to "a subversion of democracy" meant to "manipulate and defraud the voters."

The payment to Daniels "turned out to be one of the most valuable contributions anyone ever made to Trump," Prosecutor Joshua Steinglass argued at one point. But, ultimately, jurors were convinced by these arguments—even if much of the conservative legal movement and punditry (even those who aren't Trump fans) were not.

As far as appeals, Trump has plenty of "material to work with" writes Ankush Khardori at Politico. "What he's got has almost nothing to do with the salacious and supposedly extraneous details offered by Daniels about her sexual encounter with Trump—after all, Trump and his legal team foolishly invited that testimony themselves by denying its existence—but with the underlying legal architecture of the case, which imported complex principles of federal election law into a state law case about false business records."


Scenes from New York: That's enough New York for today.


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  1. Fist of Etiquette   12 months ago

    Ladies and gentlemen, we got him.

    1. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   12 months ago

      9 11 didn't kill enough new yorkers

    2. Mike Parsons   12 months ago

      The walls FINALLY closed in!!

    3. Anomalous   12 months ago

      Congratulations to the jurors for removing this dangerous felon from our streets.

      1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   12 months ago

        In a city that looks to downgrade felony charges if assault and other violent crimes.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   12 months ago

          That's (D)ifferent!

        2. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   12 months ago

          And prosecute anyone who dares engage in obvious self defense.

      2. Jerry B.   12 months ago

        The Jury's just happy that they don't have to take that post-trial trip to Hillary Clinton's secluded mountain retreat, complete with a backhoe.

        1. VULGAR MADMAN   12 months ago

          Can you imagine being the one juror who voted not guilty?

          Your life would be over.

    4. Kungpowderfinger   12 months ago

      Hooray for the Democrats!

      They should have a parade, with Brandon as the Grand Marshal.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   12 months ago

        And with Carmen Miranda at his side.

        1. Vernon Depner   12 months ago

          As long as Carmen has a penis.

          1. InsaneTrollLogic (Banana Republic Day 5/30/24)   12 months ago

            That’s not a banana!

      2. Idaho-Bob   12 months ago

        They should have a parade, with Brandon as the Grand Wizard

    5. CE   12 months ago

      Because if the hush money payments had worked, no voter would have suspected Mr. Trump was having extramarital affairs?

    6. CindyF   12 months ago

      "Critics on the left, many of whom are hungry for Trump to receive jail time, and those on the right who are willing to excuse his criminal and norms-shattering behavior time and time again ..."

      ---

      There were no crimes actually identified in this farce of a trial. The left is hungry for Trump to receive jail time just because he beat HRC in 2016.

      "norm-shattering behavior". LOLOLOL!

      What were those norm-shattering behaviors? Pushing back against the lies of Russia Trump collusion that were invented and paid for by hillary clinton? (An action for which she was fined by the FEC for labeling as legal fees but for which no criminal charges were bought.) Objecting to an obviously fraudulent 2020 election? Questioning why Biden is excused for years of possession of classified documents to which he had no right to retain while at the same time Trump is indicted for possession of documents for which he DID have the right to retain?

      My goodness! I couldn't hate the left anymore than I do today. The phrases "no one is above the law" and "respect the rule of law" should both be retired as of today.

      Payback is going to be hell and I don't want to hear any complaints from those that supported this witch hunt.

      1. Tyval Dayall   12 months ago

        I have no confidence that Republicans will grow a pair and actually go after any (D)elinquent.

        1. DesigNate   12 months ago

          They will not.

      2. Medulla Oblongata   12 months ago

        What were those norm-shattering behaviors?

        Mean tweets.

    7. TheReEncogitationer   12 months ago

      Well, if he gets put in prison and still manages to get elected, it will save on the expense of Air Force One and all the expense of running The White House for 4 years.
      Oh, and Trump will be the only guy in prison with Secret Service Protection!
      🙂
      😉

      1. VULGAR MADMAN   12 months ago

        He should drop a rap album, call it 34 felonies.

        1. TheReEncogitationer   12 months ago

          Or a wine named 34 Felonies. Snoop Dogg has his muzzle on 19 Crimes Wine.

    8. Medulla Oblongata   12 months ago

      While the president did not take questions and walked away confused, as has been a habit of his, his facial expression when asked about Trump considering himself a "political prisoner" said enough.

      https://twitter.com/i/status/1796638231871590661

      1. Fist of Etiquette   12 months ago

        Or he was filling his pants.

  2. Chumby   12 months ago

    It is official!

    Yesterday’s New York jury trumped those from the OJ Simpson murder trial as the most incompetent. They had been biden their time until someone eventually overtook them. Congrats.

    1. SRG2   12 months ago

      The OJ jury was not incompetent. They quite correctly decided that the prosecution had not proved its case beyond reasonable doubt even though OJ was very likely guilty. That's what happens when incompetent and evidence-tampering police finally get in front of a jury not prepared automatically to believe them.

      1. Chupacabra   12 months ago

        LOL

      2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   12 months ago

        Never change shrike.

        1. SRG2   12 months ago

          Still not shrike. You're obviously too stupid to grasp how a jury may correctly acquit a guilty defendant.

          1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   12 months ago

            You should be pleased to be confused with one whose intellect is superior to yours.

          2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   12 months ago

            And you're too partisan to be unhappy with a predetermined politically motivated verdict. As long as it goes your way.

          3. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   12 months ago

            It is our secret *not shrike*

            Weird how you already forgot you get called this because youre a shrike NPC. Literally no difference. This is the 20th time I've told you this dumdum?

          4. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   12 months ago

            “Still not Shrike”

            Cite?

      3. Bertram Guilfoyle   12 months ago

        Have you seen interviews with any of the OJ jurors? Incompetent is the least you could say about them.

        1. SRG2   12 months ago

          In context they were competent. There was reasonable doubt, thanks to the police.

          1. Vernon Depner   12 months ago

            Yes, it was highly suspicious that all of the evidence and testimony pointed directly at OJ and no one else.

          2. Bertram Guilfoyle   12 months ago

            Having watched interviews with them, most of them would have acquited simpson no matter what.

      4. CE   12 months ago

        Well said. I would have acquitted too.

      5. DesigNate   12 months ago

        I actually agree with you on this.

    2. n00bdragon   12 months ago

      Is it not relevant that Trump's own attorneys agreed to use those 12 jurors? Jury selection is a thing. These jurors were selected in part by Trump's own defense team, and out of those 12 people, that they themselves selected as suitably unbiased enough to serve, they could not convince a single one that their client was anything but guilty.

      But if we've learned one thing from over 50 years of Donald Trump's unending carnival side show of public life, it's not his fault. It's never his fault. He bears no responsibility for the awful things which happen to just keep happening to him and against which he was powerless to do anything. If it isn't the traitorous incompetent backstabbers he himself hired, it is the sinister forces of a nonspecific conspiracy which exists only to humiliate him because it is jealous of his wealth and good looks.

      1. Incunabulum   12 months ago

        Trump's lawyers didn't agree to them - each side has only a limited number of people they can kick out of the jury pool. after that you have to convince the judge that a juror is too biased to serve.

        And we've seen how hard that can be when the judge is openly working with the prosecution.

        1. Commenter_XY   12 months ago

          Judge Merchan: You can't (D)ismiss that juror! Because (R)easons!

      2. R Mac   12 months ago

        That’s not how it works dumbfuck.

      3. DesigNate   12 months ago

        Tell me you didn’t pay attention to all the voir dire shenanigans without telling me you didn’t pay attention.

        Goddamn man.

        1. R Mac   12 months ago

          Pay attention? He clearly doesn’t even know what it is.

    3. Moonrocks   12 months ago

      There’s a world of difference between the two. The OJ Simpson jury let an allegedly guilty man go free after the prosecution failed to prove his guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. This jury found Trump guilty before the prosecution even identified a crime.

      1. Jefferson Paul   12 months ago

        Well said.

  3. Fist of Etiquette   12 months ago

    Guilty on all counts...

    You know who else was a convicted felon running for high office?

    1. Fist of Etiquette   12 months ago

      Yeah, try to find other answers for that one.

    2. Chumby   12 months ago

      Marion Barry? High indeed.

    3. InsaneTrollLogic (Banana Republic Day 5/30/24)   12 months ago

      Eugene Debs, imprisoned by Wilson, sentence commuted by Harding.

    4. Bill Dalasio   12 months ago

      Nelson Mandela?

    5. Commenter_XY   12 months ago

      Alexei Navalny?

    6. SRG2   12 months ago

      Silvio Berlusconi?

    7. Anomalous   12 months ago

      James Michael Curley?

    8. Ajsloss   12 months ago

      Mayor McCheese?

    9. Kungpowderfinger   12 months ago

      Violeta Chamorro?

    10. Vernon Depner   12 months ago

      James Traficant

    11. Conchfritters   12 months ago

      Lyndon Larouche?

    12. TheReEncogitationer   12 months ago

      Anyone running for high office, since we're all supposed to be guilty of 3 felonies a day?
      🙂
      😉

  4. Chumby   12 months ago

    First attacks on Russian soil using American weapons could begin within hours or days — New York Times

    In a major shift pressed by his advisers, President Biden authorized Ukraine to conduct limited strikes inside Russia with US-supplied weapons, opening what may very well be a new chapter in the conflict, the Times writes citing officials.

    This would mark the first time an American president has given the green light to military strikes within the borders of a nuclear-armed adversary - with the first attacks expected within days, or even hours.

    1. Commenter_XY   12 months ago

      Russia will retaliate, and retaliate in ways we cannot predict, or mitigate.

      1. Scooter   12 months ago

        "Never underestimate Joe Biden's ability to f*ck things up." - Anonymous Community Organizer.

      2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   12 months ago

        Sure. Who could possibly imagine what Putin might do?

        1. Ron   12 months ago

          Its not like he didn't tell us what he would do. Oh wait he did, well i guess WWIII starts soon and its only logical that it is Trumps fault for not being president

        2. Sometimes a Great Notion   12 months ago

          The NSA

      3. But SkyNet is a Private Company   12 months ago

        This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we’ll be lucky to live through it

        1. Conchfritters   12 months ago

          I miss Fred

        2. DesigNate   12 months ago

          I, for one, am glad the adults are in charge.

        3. Medulla Oblongata   12 months ago

          One of my favorite movie quotes.

    2. MWAocdoc   12 months ago

      Ukraine used to be a nuclear-armed nation until "the west" screwed them over by "urging" them to abandon their nuclear deterrent in the name of "nuclear disarmament." Guess they might regret having cozied up to "the west" now, huh? Apparently they didn't learn the lesson after world war two when the United States abandoned the Warsaw Pact nations to the Russian conquerors the first time. Having said that, sometimes when Putin makes a stupid threat, the only thing left to do is call him on it and double down. Eat it, Putin!

      1. Chumby   12 months ago

        Shame on Russia for putting its country right next to places that liberty bringers such as Joe Biden and Lindsey Graham engage in color revolutions to facilitate business opportunities.

        The Soviets cleansed those Warsaw Pact areas and kept them denazified afterwards (except for Poland, which was a casualty of the conflict).

        Ukraine didn’t have the launch codes to the nuclear arsenal located there after the collapse of the CCCP.

        You are free to take your gear and head there on your dime as a volunteer in the Ukraine foreign legion to do some rootin tootin shootin to get Putin.

      2. Red Rocks White Privilege   12 months ago

        Apparently they didn’t learn the lesson after world war two when the United States abandoned the Warsaw Pact nations to the Russian conquerors the first time.

        LOL, are you serious? How exactly would the US have extricated Russia from the nations they had marched through during the war?

        1. Commenter_XY   12 months ago

          Red, you know what pisses me off? POTUS Clinton had the chance to head all of this off, if he had had the imagination to test Putin's offer to join NATO in 1994. What a missed opportunity, and bad foreign policy decision-making.

          1. R Mac   12 months ago

            He did decide to. Then the MIC convinced him not to.

  5. Fist of Etiquette   12 months ago

    That 6 percent could be consequential in a tight race.

    That 24% could also maybe make a difference.

    1. mad.casual   12 months ago

      I'm sure a hot war with Russia will bring them around to the light.

    2. Conchfritters   12 months ago

      So 24% of Trump voters say they would be more likely to vote for him? Kind of assumed that 24% of his voters would vote for him no matter what he does or says. But if 6% of trump voters are less likely to vote for him since he’s a convicted felon now, that could be yuge. They don’t even need to vote for Biden; if they just stay home that will have an impact.

      1. Jefferson Paul   12 months ago

        And if a larger percentage of independent voters decide to vote for Trump as a result of seeing firsthand how Biden and the Dems have weaponized the justice system, it will offset (and then some) the 6% who won't vote for Trump.

  6. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   12 months ago

    Biden makes the case not to vote for him. Says he will outlive 2 current USSC justices and will replace them.

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/white-house/3022454/biden-two-supreme-court-justices/

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   12 months ago

      That sounds like a couple of his Gen Z aides just having fun.

      1. R Mac   12 months ago

        You could say this about most of his administration.

  7. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   12 months ago

    Breaking911
    @Breaking911
    "On Memorial Day, I proudly stood with a black man." - Joe Biden
    VIDEO

    https://x.com/Breaking911/status/1795941844297121815

    1. Mike Parsons   12 months ago

      For an overt racist, that's huge

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   12 months ago

        Random thought: who do you think would have been more likely caught trolling the slave quarters at night, Biden or Trump?

        1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   12 months ago

          Kids slave chambers or workers chambers?

          1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   12 months ago

            Can’t it be both?

            1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   12 months ago

              Are they reaping wheat/cotton or Joe's leg hair?

  8. Chumby   12 months ago

    Orban on NATO’s Ukraine involvement: Like a firefighter putting out a blaze with a flamethrower

    The Hungarian PM warned on Friday that the alliance’s actions are “getting closer to war” with Russia every week, as NATO foreign ministers were meeting in Prague to discuss more aid to Ukraine.

    Orban also criticized France for floating the idea of putting military trainers in Ukraine, and allowing Kiev to use NATO weapons to attack targets outside of the combat zone and inside of Russia as “worrying.”

    - some Russian news outlet

    1. InsaneTrollLogic (Banana Republic Day 5/30/24)   12 months ago

      And then Biden adds gasoline to said fire.

      1. HorseConch   12 months ago

        At least he's not Putin's 40 year running foreign asset like the threat to democracy we used to have. I'm so glad the adults are back in charge, the country is unified, we're powering our houses with unicorn farts, and the world is at peace.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   12 months ago

          Don't forget how Hunter has forged solid peaceful relations with the CCP.

    2. Rick James   12 months ago

      You know how I know who wrote the article? They still spell and pronounce it Kiev.

      1. Chumby   12 months ago

        Laundergrad is harder to type.

        1. Rick James   12 months ago

          Kyiv is the COVID mask of city name spelling.

    3. MWAocdoc   12 months ago

      The combat zone IS in Russia. Quoting Heinlein: "No department of defense ever won a war." Every time Russia destroys a non-military target in Ukraine, two non-military targets and a military target inside Russia should be destroyed until Putin runs out of young men willing to die for his imperial dreams.

      1. Vernon Depner   12 months ago

        Putin would resort to annihilating Ukraine with weapons of mass destruction before letting that happen.

        1. Commenter_XY   12 months ago

          I am not sure that is the case; depends on lethality, I would think.

      2. R Mac   12 months ago

        Fantasy land.

      3. Chumby   12 months ago

        It has been. The Biden backed Zely regime has been going after civilian targets in Russia including terror attacks against civilians. Not to mention the activities in Donbas for seven plus years prior to the SMO. Regarding quantities of arms, Russia has been out producing nation 404 and her NAFO suppliers. Banging on a keyboard demanding non-existing resources to be used is like a scene from Downfall.

        1. R Mac   12 months ago

          I blame Red Dawn and other 80’s cold war movies for this jingoism.

          1. tracerv   12 months ago

            Wolverines!

    4. Conchfritters   12 months ago

      So, give russia what it wants, and pray they don’t ask for more.

    5. ObviouslyNotSpam   12 months ago

      I bet you don't often quote the "Gaza Health Ministry", but you're happy to quote RT...

      1. InsaneTrollLogic (Banana Republic Day 5/30/24)   12 months ago

        Not too far removed from quoting the NYT.

  9. Fist of Etiquette   12 months ago

    ...the verdict was perhaps reached too swiftly, providing fodder for the argument that this was politically motivated.

    He won't go to jail. This was all ultimately about being able to apply "convicted felon" to him in every headline. It's more than likely to backfire if Trump plays it right, and whatever else he is he has the instincts to play something like this like a fiddle.

    1. Ajsloss   12 months ago

      he has the instincts to play something like this like a fiddle.

      Wait until that devil gets down to Georgia!

      1. tracerv   12 months ago

        In Atlanta, Fani can get some pipe hitters to go to work on Trump with a pair of pliers and a blowtorch.

    2. Chupacabra   12 months ago

      And about keeping Trump off the ballots in certain swing states, because he's a "felon".

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   12 months ago

        I am surprised we have not already heard from some of the Democracy! saviors in swing states.

      2. Chumby   12 months ago

        Cue Shenna Bellows (D, Maine) to try that again.

      3. Vernon Depner   12 months ago

        This makes it more certain that Biden will not be on the ballot in Ohio.

        1. R Mac   12 months ago

          He’ll be on it. They’re going to officially nominate him virtually before the deadline.

        2. Medulla Oblongata   12 months ago

          Twenty-three Ohio Senate Republicans joined Democrats on Friday during a special legislative session to pass a bill that extends the state’s ballot certification deadline so that President Joe Biden would be eligible for November’s general ballot.

          Never underestimate the ability of Republicans to take it up the ass for Democrats.

    3. mad.casual   12 months ago

      It’s more than likely to backfire if Trump plays it right,

      As above, even if he doesn't play it right never underestimate Joe's ability to turn a ballot into "convicted felon" v. "nuclear holocaust".

    4. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   12 months ago

      Even a parole can keep him from leaving the state to campaign.

      1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   12 months ago

        Fortunately, he doesn't have to; the scumbag TDS-addled shits are doing it for him.

    5. Ron   12 months ago

      I heard on Tom Sullivans show that since he is convicted they can limit his traveles to NY until it is all settled which means no campaining outside of NY this what it is all that it is about

      1. Vernon Depner   12 months ago

        Who's going to enforce that?

    6. Spiritus Mundi   12 months ago

      He won’t go to jail.

      Denial is not just a river in Eygpt.

    7. CE   12 months ago

      He'll be the first President with an ankle bracelet, confined to the White House.

    8. Longtobefree   12 months ago

      Interesting.
      The local liberal rag headlines "Trump Guilty!"
      The other paper headlines "Trump Convicted"
      As if either was actual news rather than a foregone conclusion.

  10. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   12 months ago

    Turns out the IDF bombing in Rafah wasn't the main source for collateral deaths. Hamas had hidden a weapons cache in a population center that went off.

    https://legalinsurrection.com/2024/05/idf-investigation-rafah-blast-that-killed-civilians-caused-by-secondary-explosions-in-hamas-weapons-dump/

    1. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   12 months ago

      You mean the animal ragheads lie?

      1. HorseConch   12 months ago

        Our resident retards will be by shortly to remind us of how hard Israel has been genociding.

        1. InsaneTrollLogic (Banana Republic Day 5/30/24)   12 months ago

          Misconstrueman to lie, and Misek to misconstrue.

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   12 months ago

            Refuted!

    2. Mike Parsons   12 months ago

      I think its interesting that Bebe apologized almost immediately calling it a mistake, given the situation. I think that was a bad move, and didn't make much sense.

      1. Longtobefree   12 months ago

        "Never apologize, Mister. It's a sign of weakness."

    3. Bertram Guilfoyle   12 months ago

      Surprising to no one, not even the resident hamas propagandists here.

      1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   12 months ago

        That's spelled "antisemites".

    4. DeAnnP   12 months ago

      As investigated by whom? Themselves? The ones who are accused of it? I believe Israel as much as I believe Hamas. Both have self-serving reasons to lie.

      1. Social Justice is neither   12 months ago

        Sure thing Ava, now crawl back into your bunker.

      2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   12 months ago

        I'm sorry for your ignorance and the long history if Hamas hiding weapons cache in population centers.

      3. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   12 months ago

        Yeah, they’re the same……..

        FFS you’re a moron.

      4. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   12 months ago

        Lesseeeee .... Hamas lies about everything, no one can or wants to verify anything they say, and everyone believes them anyway.

        No one believes anything Israel says, even though they have plenty of opportunity to verify most things, but they don't, because they don't want to admit Israel said anything truthful.

        Hmmmm .... which is more likely to be truthful ... gosh that's a tricky one.

    5. Moonrocks   12 months ago

      I did not see that coming.

  11. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   12 months ago

    Quick commenter poll

    Do progressives deserver to live?

    1: no
    2: hell no
    3: fuck no

    1. Commenter_XY   12 months ago

      Yes, they deserve to live. They are human beings created in the image of God. We need to remember that, even if they do not.

      1. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   12 months ago

        Cite?

        1. InsaneTrollLogic (Banana Republic Day 5/30/24)   12 months ago

          Some may be redeemable. We didn’t kill every Nazi Party member after WWII.

          1. Randy Sax   12 months ago

            How many progressive Von Brauns do you think actually exist?

            1. ducksalad   12 months ago

              A large majority of Nazis, progressives, and (unfortunately) even ordinary decent people are quite willing to reverse their beliefs when they see who is now in charge and their personal safety or comfort is at stake.

              Even in the US where the stakes are low, after each election the percentage of people who claim they voted for the winner exceeds the actual vote percentages.

              1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   12 months ago

                Some of them even support state abuses as long as the world doesn't end. See comments below.

                1. ducksalad   12 months ago

                  The following is straight text; there’s no deeper meaning that you need to suss out with your superior prog-hunting skills:

                  In yesterday’s thread, I spent a quite a few keystrokes arguing that the charges against Trump are bullshit, and circular, and violate our standard of guilt that is 12 jurors believing in guilt of the same crime.

                  You could easily check that yourself if you took off those cheesy decoder glasses you got out of a cereal box.

                  And now the lecture: As you know, Maoists and the like reach a rancid stage where they start eating their own for believing the same Maoist stuff, but using slightly different words, or only being 98% pure. They hate each other more than they hate the capitalist-imperialist-running-dogs they both claim to oppose.

                  You’re doing the libertarian version of that.

                  1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   12 months ago

                    Lol. I’m the Maoist? Is this like how Antifa and dems call others fascist as they support more government control?

                    I’m sure you can cite your prior arguments. I do find it odd you have yet to criticize the guilty verdict yet despite claiming to be against the trial. Oddly enough both sarc and Jeff also claimed they were against the trial before celebrating and blaming Trump for being the victim.

                    What i am doing is breaking down your own independent actions and statements. I am not changing the definitions of words like your team does for fascism, populism, and other terms. The entire language shift is happening on the left. See the definition of vaccine or inflation being changed the last few years.

                    What you are doing is projecting because you got called out.

                    How hard is it for you to say you’re against something if you are against something? You still have yet to criticize the verdict you claim to be against. Your first impulse was to accuse those against the verdict as being violent and attacking those against the verdict. Youre no different than shrike, jeff, or sarc… all left leaning liberaltariajs going out of their way to defend abuses when they hate the person being abused. Lol.

                    1. ducksalad   12 months ago

                      I note your implied retraction, you now realize that I did say I thought the trial was illegitimate. That’s progress and thank you for your graceful admission.

                      Now for a logic lesson to add on top of the reading lesson:

                      As you’ve now conceded, I’m on record believing that the charges and the trial are bullshit. So, how could I believe that the guilty verdict is valid?

                      But since that’s not going to convince you, here it is: the charges were bogus, the arguments in support of the charges were bogus, the trial was obviously political, and Bragg would never have filed similar charges against an ordinary person or a Democrat. I believed that before the trial, stated so in writing, and continue to believe it. Therefore and obviously, I think the guilty verdict is incorrect.

                      As far as the remark downthread that triggered you, I thought there would be more tangible protests, based in part on remarks like the ones Kuckland makes, and therefore I am surprised (not snarky surprised, not ironically surprised, not strategically surprised, not disappointed surprised, just ordinary surprised) that nothing much has happened. Since I believe gathering to yell, hold signs, and inconvenience passers-by is not a productive technique, and even less so for more direct actions, it is a good thing that the opponents of the verdict are opposing it in a rational way.

                    2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   12 months ago

                      Oh. So youre retarded. I didn’t retract shit. I explained your actions this morning. I’m sorry your lack of logic is unable to understand it lol.

                      What did I concede retard? This is also sarc like behavior. Claim you won an argument solely from your own assertion, without any citing evidence to back your assertion. Youre an idiot buddy.

                      I’ve asked you 3 times for evidence. I’ve also mentioned the false claims from Jeff and sarc. A standard democrat tactic is to spend 95% of the discussion attacking something then put an aside claiming you dont support 95% of the argument you just made. This is what you, sarc, jeff, and shrike seem to be doing lol.

                      Thanks for finally admitting you disagree with the verdict after multiple posts trying to throw chaff and redirect to your expected behaviors of your political enemies. Why was that so fucking hard for you to do? Because that’s not your actual concern. You just don’t want your bias being pointed out full stop.

                      Nothing triggered me retard. I pointed out that you lacked any response against the state or prosecution. There was none in your post. Instead you focused on your apriori expectations of violence from Trump supporters. Another example of your bias. They aren’t antifa. They aren’t leftists. But then again you most likely think they are defined by J6 where more than 75% of those convicted by the state, hey another state abuse for you to ignore!, committed neither violence or vandalism.

                      Now you can believe whatever lies you want to tell yourself, but it is your own words and actions this morning I’ve addressed. But lie to yourself if you must. It works great for sarc and Jeff.

                      Also pretty fucking funny how quickly your maoist accusation went away. Always accuse your enemies of what you are doing... isnt that a Democrat thing?

                    3. ducksalad (5/30 bad, really!)   12 months ago

                      Did my Maoism accusation get deleted? That’s sad, let me repost:

                      You’re acting like a (minor league) Maoist in the later stages of the Cultural Revolution. You’re not even criticizing people for actual deviation from doctrine, you’re criticizing them for not chanting the slogan and only the slogan.

                      I'm allowed talk about other stuff besides the verdict. Get used to it, there'll be more.

            2. Sometimes a Great Notion   12 months ago

              Jeff Bezos?

          2. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   12 months ago

            Just get rid of the Marxist true believers. The goons are mostly just soft headed idiots that are mostly harmless without any guidance.

        2. Commenter_XY   12 months ago

          The cite you asked for: Bereshit 1: 27

          Do not lose your humanity.

      2. Nardz   12 months ago

        Wrong

      3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   12 months ago

        They might deserve to live, but do they deserve to live here?

        Let's cut the Gordian libertarian knot. You can join us in a free society until you attempt to undo it. Then you get voted off the island.

        1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   12 months ago

          I’ve favored exile as an option for years. But they have to leave their stuff. As reparations for the damage they’ve caused. For example, Sarc can’t take the garbage can he sleep in with him. Jeffy will have to relinquish his 55 gallon drums of Ben & Jerry’s, and Shreek must relinquish the. 7 year l,d boy he keeps gagged and hogtied on his closet.

      4. Michael Ejercito   12 months ago

        They have become subhuman vermin through their choices and conduct.

      5. The Mysterious Edwin Dunkel   12 months ago

        Besides, they aren't entirely useless. We can always rent them out as punching bags to angry and frustrated people.

      6. Rev. Arthur L. Kirkland   12 months ago

        Your god is illusory.

        1. Diarrheality   12 months ago

          You might want to keep the conversations you have with pink elephants to yourself, Reverend.

        2. InsaneTrollLogic (Banana Republic Day 5/30/24)   12 months ago

          And you have massive delusions of grandeur, so-called “reverend”.

    2. tracerv   12 months ago

      4: all of the above.

    3. Randy Sax   12 months ago

      No one "deserves" to live. I hate that word. You are either alive or dead, deserve has nothing to do with it.

    4. Chinny Chin Chin   12 months ago

      We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness... excepting progressives.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   12 months ago

        To be precise, except anyone who denies these rights.

    5. DeAnnP   12 months ago

      So what is the plan? Kill all progressives? Maybe more people would vote conservative if they weren’t dead set on turning the country into a theocracy. Project 2025 is a fucking joke.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   12 months ago

        OK, try stepping back from the fringe agendas on the left and right. What do you think the core "moderate" Democrats and Republicans represent? Which side is more like a watered-down version of their fringe, and more dangerous to a free society?

        1. DeAnnP   12 months ago

          "Fringe" agendas? You think Heritage Foundation is "fringe"? All the morons clamoring for a christian theocracy are just as fucking dangerous as anyone clamoring for Sharia law. Keep your fairy tale delusions and "sins" out of government. Religion is what is dangerous to a free society.

          1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   12 months ago

            And then you clown yourself with the Christian theocracy retarded bull shit. Lol.

          2. R Mac   12 months ago

            “All the morons clamoring for a christian theocracy are just as fucking dangerous as anyone clamoring for Sharia law.”

            Honk honk.

      2. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   12 months ago

        Progressives are an existential threat. Just like all Marxists.

        Cleanse them now.

        1. Dangerangel   12 months ago

          Bring it.

          1. Diarrheality   12 months ago

            I notice you didn't post your address.

            1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   12 months ago

              You need to ask for his moms address.

              1. R Mac   12 months ago

                Or the group home.

      3. EISTAU Gree-Vance   12 months ago

        Lol. You can always spot the low IQ morons when they spout the “theocracy!” nonsense.

        How will the evil conservatives accomplish this, Dee? Establish a state religion? Use one of the existing ones and outlaw the rest? Shit, they can barely hold a theocracy together in Iran, and they are far from, how you say, diverse.

        Idiot.

    6. ObviouslyNotSpam   12 months ago

      Fortunately, you're just too white to do anything about it.

    7. Its_Not_Inevitable   12 months ago

      “Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement."

      Just thought it was a good spot for this Tolkien/Gandalf quote. Was just rereading the book recently so it came immediately to mind.

  12. Fist of Etiquette   12 months ago

    In legal terms, the quick verdict is hard to fathom...

    In political terms, too, I think we'll come to see.

    1. MWAocdoc   12 months ago

      Nobody ever said that DNC tacticians were bright. This smacks of desperation or, just possibly, the Democratic Party is suffering from irreversible dry rot. Political organizations do tend to deteriorate over time as they wander away from their original foundational purposes towards a "winning the next election" modus operandi. Essentially the Democrats have managed to take a far-fetched narrative of a stolen election and turn it from sore-loser whining status into confirmation of political abuse of power and corruption that Trump could never have achieved on his own. Unbelievable if I hadn't watched it unfold with my own eyes!

    2. CE   12 months ago

      Really? Who wants to be stuck in jury duty for more than a day?

      It should be like replay review in the NFL. If the evidence isn't clear enough to overturn the call quickly, the call on the field stands. In a trial, if the jury can't convict in a few hours, the defendant should be acquitted.

  13. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   12 months ago

    IG reports says DHS has lost track of most of the Afghanistan refugees including 50 considered to be security threats as part of Bidens refugee program.

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/afghan-evacuee-vetting-process-fragmented-vulnerabilities-watchdog-warns

    1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   12 months ago

      Bill Melugin
      @BillMelugin_
      NEW: In a DHS Inspector General report released this month, the IG found that DHS has not been monitoring humanitarian parole expiration for the roughly 77,000 Afghans brought into the US for 2 year paroles after the withdrawal in 2021. Additionally, the IG found only 3 Afghan parolees were deported from the US between July 2021 and December 2022. One for "terrorism related activity", one for murder, and one for abusive sexual contact. The IG found that DHS has a fragmented process for identifying derogatory information on the Afghan parolees as well.

      1. Idaho-Bob   12 months ago

        Goddamn, I'm glad I live rural. Just a matter of time for the Allah Akbars.

        1. R Mac   12 months ago

          It’s already happening on small scales.

  14. Chumby   12 months ago

    If elected president, Chase Oliver’s face could don the obverse of the three dollar federal reserve note.

    1. Ajsloss   12 months ago

      Why not just take that slaveholder off the $2?

    2. InsaneTrollLogic (Banana Republic Day 5/30/24)   12 months ago

      What’ll be on the reverse?

      1. Chumby   12 months ago

        A giant gay bong.

        1. Randy Sax   12 months ago

          The rainbow might be difficult to make out using only shades of green.

        2. InsaneTrollLogic (Banana Republic Day 5/30/24)   12 months ago

          Leave Dick Bong out of this.
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Bong

        3. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   12 months ago

          A giant gay song? A giant gay dong?

          1. Chumby   12 months ago

            The Babylon Bee did a story how the LP nominated a giant gay bong as their potus candidate.

      2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   12 months ago

        Oliver's other end?

      3. The Mysterious Edwin Dunkel   12 months ago

        Let's keep it tasteful. How about a grand piano with a flower vase on it? Shades of Liberace.

        1. Chumby   12 months ago

          Some may have had their finger on the pulse of that pianist.

    3. ducksalad   12 months ago

      I'd rather see him on that trillion dollar coin.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic (Banana Republic Day 5/30/24)   12 months ago

        You just might once hyperinflation takes hold.

        1. CE   12 months ago

          They'll probably put Ron Paul on that. Andrew Jackson campaigned against the Bank of the United State, so they put him on the most common currency.

  15. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   12 months ago

    Trial by inference/implication.

    Kyle Cheney
    @kyledcheney
    HAPPENING NOW: The jury says it wants Merchan to begin the instructions with the part about how they are supposed to consider the evidence and draw inferences -- including the metaphor about how if the ground is wet in the AM, you can infer it rained over night.

    Apparently they don't have dew in NY. But the instructions are clear. The beyond a reasonable doubt doesn't exist in NYC court rooms. It is perfectly fine to infer if lacking evidence.

    Sarc and Jeff support this bullshit while claiming to not be authoritarians. Pretty stunning.

    1. InsaneTrollLogic (Banana Republic Day 5/30/24)   12 months ago

      Well, they both pretty much outed themselves as Democrats last night…

      1. Chupacabra   12 months ago

        What happened last night?

        1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   12 months ago

          Sullum thread.

        2. InsaneTrollLogic (Banana Republic Day 5/30/24)   12 months ago

          Read up on the Sullum thread: https://reason.com/2024/05/30/the-verdict-against-trump-suggests-jurors-bought-the-prosecutions-dubious-election-fraud-narrative/?comments=true#comments

      2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   12 months ago

        Where are they now? Hung over or still drunk?

        1. InsaneTrollLogic (Banana Republic Day 5/30/24)   12 months ago

          Unfortunately, here in this thread, below.

    2. Political McGuffin   12 months ago

      Inferred evidence, fortified elections, what a shit show.

      1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   12 months ago

        If the ground is wet you must convict.

    3. Spiritus Mundi   12 months ago

      We will be plunged into eternal darkness if that rooster ever dies.

  16. Fist of Etiquette   12 months ago

    ...Judge Juan M. Merchan could also choose to seek probation instead of throwing the presidential candidate in the slammer.

    That depends on how badly Biden's handlers want to get him out of debating.

    1. ObviouslyNotSpam   12 months ago

      He did give Biden $15. Sign of a true loyalist!

      1. Diarrheality   12 months ago

        According to the birdcage liner of record:

        A state ethics panel quietly dismissed a complaint last summer against the New York judge presiding over the criminal trial of Donald J. Trump, issuing a warning over small donations the judge had made to groups supporting Democrats, including the campaign of Joseph R. Biden Jr.

        The judge, Juan M. Merchan, donated a total of $35 to the groups in 2020, including a $15 donation earmarked for the Biden campaign, and $10 to a group called “Stop Republicans.”

        Political contributions of any kind are prohibited under state judicial ethics rules.

        1. ObviouslyNotSpam   12 months ago

          Ah, so that's why they dismissed the complaint. Got it. Thanks.

      2. Medulla Oblongata   12 months ago

        In circumstances like this, it's helpful to imagine the opposite. Let's imagine that Trump had been acquitted by a jury in a Republican stronghold state in a courtroom run by a judge who gave Trump's legal team every possible leeway, even to the point of blocking key prosecution witnesses and allowing Trump's team to bring in a parade of people with no knowledge of the accusations, but told a lot of stories about all the nice things that Trump had done for them. And then consider that the Judge's daughter was known to work for a Republican PAC, and that the Judge had given $35 to a the "Mega-MAGA PAC in support of Donald Trump", and not recused himself.

  17. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   12 months ago

    The jurors weren't convicted of anything they were selected because they were not impartial

    1. ObviouslyNotSpam   12 months ago

      What happened to voir dire?

      1. Diarrheality   12 months ago

        Juan Merchan happened.

        1. ObviouslyNotSpam   12 months ago

          What happened to his over-paid lawyers, then? Weren't they aware of this travesty?

      2. DesigNate   12 months ago

        It was a shit show.

        1. ObviouslyNotSpam   12 months ago

          He says now...

          At the time, Trump's attorneys seemed to express very little opposition to the jury selection process. If they objected or challenged the process, I can't find any record of it.

          "The fourth day of jury selection played out similarly to the first three. Prosecutors focused their questions in the case on preparing the jurors to accept testimony from less-than-favorable witnesses, like Michael Cohen. Trump’s attorneys, meanwhile, were almost singularly focused on a single question: What did jurors think about Donald Trump?"

      3. Medulla Oblongata   12 months ago

        Pick 200 potential jurors from the densest Democrat stronghold in the country, then given Trump’s team 12 voir dire peremptory challenges (or however many they got, it's still a small finite number). After the first dozen jurors are struck, the remaining pool is still hugely partisan.

        1. ObviouslyNotSpam   12 months ago

          ...An argument which Trump tried, and the NY Court of Appeals rejected before the trial.

          You just want special rules for your Orange Messiah.

  18. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   12 months ago

    The story of how California Dems were fighting to not extend sentencing for child traffickers or those who sought out children through pimps.

    https://www.kcra.com/article/california-bill-felony-purchase-child-for-sex-passes-state-senate/60889389

    So bad a Democrat left the party.

    End Wokeness
    @EndWokeness
    Wow.
    .
    California Senator Talamantes leaves the Democrat Party after 12 years over their complicity in chiId trafficking & abuse:
    VIDEO

    https://x.com/EndWokeness/status/1796062552746570200

    Why Jeff is a Democrat.

    1. InsaneTrollLogic (Banana Republic Day 5/30/24)   12 months ago

      Why Pluggo is a Democrat as well.

    2. Rick James   12 months ago

      Wow... sure, she's leaving the party over something that's so obvious it's shocking it's an argument, but she's also another progressive racist.

      "I don't wanna send more black and brown men to prison, but I don't want people buying little girls any more..."

      That's almost as racist as that beatch on the view... or Nick Gillespie suggesting the only thing Migrants are good for is cleaning toilets.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   12 months ago

        Solution: any guy accused of a sex crime is automatically declared legally White.

        1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   12 months ago

          That could be the reimagined version of Legally Blonde.

        2. R Mac   12 months ago

          There’s actually a Twitter account that just posts arrest records of obviously non- whites being categorized as white.

  19. Mike Parsons   12 months ago

    "who are willing to excuse his criminal and norms-shattering behavior"

    Ya we definitely didnt have a POTUS cheating on his wife shoving cigars in his interns pussy, or one fucking spies from adversarial nations. A billionaire playboy cheating with a pornstar?! A bridge too far

    1. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   12 months ago

      Stormy dainels testified that she never slept with Trump (previously) and she went to the national inquire with the made up story then trump legal team. She committed extortion

      1. CE   12 months ago

        Not to mention, how did we hear about the hush money if she had complied with the NDA as agreed?

    2. damikesc   12 months ago

      I do find it amazing that a WH seeking to get us indirectly tied to likely World War III, who openly ignores SCOTUS rulings, who works with DA's in assorted locales to punish his political rival --- HE is the one maintaining norms.

      If Biden loses, TX needs to file charge after charge against him and Mayorkas.

    3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   12 months ago

      (Semi-)seriously: for the entrenched DC establishment, the crime is not the sex act, the crime is crass contradiction of the establishment public image.

    4. Social Justice is neither   12 months ago

      I'd like to know what "criminal norm shattering" Trump engaged in that isn't routine for other politicians, especially Democrats. Reason once again fully supporting the soviet show trials and eagerly pushing the party line.

      1. Medulla Oblongata   12 months ago

        Mean tweets.

    5. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   12 months ago

      Or one who both raped his pre teen daughter in the shower or sexually assaulted one of his own staffers as a senator.

    6. But SkyNet is a Private Company   12 months ago

      If Trump ever commits illegal behavior, I won’t excuse it

  20. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   12 months ago

    Chace Oliver is a pedo faggot totalitarian.

    1. Nardz   12 months ago

      Correct

    2. Dangerangel   12 months ago

      Your name is reverend but you talk like a pastor.

      1. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   12 months ago

        My Nam was originally a parody of Rev kirk

  21. Fist of Etiquette   12 months ago

    I'm here for all shots fired at baby boomers but am not sure whether stinginess—also termed frugality or fiscal prudence—is the concern.

    The journalist of that piece maybe waits tables as a second job.

    1. Stuck in California   12 months ago

      More likely as a first job, and journalist is the second one.

  22. Fist of Etiquette   12 months ago

    Inside the world of TikTok influencers who instruct their lady followers on how to snag a rich guy.

    Feminists, you're losing.

  23. Fist of Etiquette   12 months ago

    Ukraine is now allowed to hit targets within Russia using American-made weapons in order to defend itself from its aggressors.

    But Hunter gets to autograph them first.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   12 months ago

      "Take this, you evil archive of bank records!"

      1. Fist of Etiquette   12 months ago

        HOW DARE YOU

  24. Fist of Etiquette   12 months ago

    ...but Brazilian flooding is displacing hundreds of thousands of people, leaving the government scrambling.

    The Amazon River sucks as a drainage ditch.

    1. mad.casual   12 months ago

      Now you tell us. What's next, favelas full of illegal immigrants from Haiti, Bolivia, Afghanistan, Syria, Ukraine, Cuba, Dominican Republic, and Senegal built in a floodplain would get flushed down the drain like a bidet cleansing a giant shithole?

      1. Nardz   12 months ago

        https://x.com/TimOnPoint/status/1796533882755670231?t=Dbb6o0kZspupSv1Q7A2xlw&s=19

        Recognize what happened in this scene. The German cop went after the guy trying to subdue the terrorist, and the terrorist turned around and stabbed the cop who had just “rescued” him.

        [Video]

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   12 months ago

          Now that's some social justice right there.

        2. R Mac   12 months ago

          Most of Europe is effectively conquered.

          1. tracerv   12 months ago

            Soon to be coming to a theater near you.

        3. mad.casual   12 months ago

          Do you need me to link to any one of a number of threads around here where people rather openly pledge to orphaning any particular officer's kids rather than allow a lame dog to be put to death in the street?

          I absolutely get the whole "Police states are terrible." but these people seem between rabid and giddy to tear off their masks in order to replace the existing police state with a far more punitive and capricious police state of their own that values human life far, far less.

    2. CE   12 months ago

      I'll believe in climate change refugees when people stop moving to warmer states.

    3. Medulla Oblongata   12 months ago

      DON'T BUILD IN THE FUCKING FLOOD PLAIN!

      (Yes, I get that it's Brazil in this case, but we have the same problem here).

      Subsidized Flood Insurance Makes Storm Damage Worse (reason.com)

      The policies themselves don't make financial sense. NFIP policy holders are not limited in how many claims they can file or how much money they can receive. As a result, more than 150,000 properties nationwide have flooded multiple times and received NFIP reimbursement each time. According to statistics compiled by Pew, these so-called "repetitive loss properties" account for just 1 percent of NFIP policies but 25-30 percent of payouts. By 2009, about 10 percent of repetitive loss policies had received payouts worth more than the properties themselves.

      An insurance company's refusal to provide coverage in a high-risk area provides a disincentive to anyone who chooses to live there: When the inevitable happens, you'll be responsible for the damage yourself.

      But when the government assumes the risk on an insurer's behalf and makes insurance cheaper than the market would dictate, it creates incentives for people to live in dangerous areas more likely to be battered by extreme weather events.

  25. Randy Sax   12 months ago

    It's pretty fun to play with this tool—called "Build a Trump Voter"/"Build a Biden Voter"—from The Economist.

    It's missing the boost from females 25-34 on "bad-boy" factor now that's he's a convicted felon.

  26. Fist of Etiquette   12 months ago

    Are you a libertarian left wondering who Chase Oliver is?

    While I unfortunately probably have a handle on this, I suppose I'll watch the show anyway for confirmation or not.

    1. sarcasmic   12 months ago

      Why bother? He disagrees with the narrative about him. And as we all know the narrative is never wrong. So you'd be best off skipping it, or you might go against the narrative too. Don't want that.

      1. Bertram Guilfoyle   12 months ago

        Now that you’ve been proven conclusively to be lying about muting one commenter, will you drop the whole mute charade entirely?

        1. Mother's Lament (Banana Republic Day - May 30, 2024)   12 months ago

          No. He still thinks he's punishing others somehow when he does it.

      2. InsaneTrollLogic (Banana Republic Day 5/30/24)   12 months ago

        Go crawl back in your 40, drunky. Let the actual adults talk.

      3. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   12 months ago

        Sarc, now that you've proven you dont mute me last night...

        How is quoting from his campaign site and prior interviews creating a narrative about him?

        Is this like how you lie when I post word for word cites of your prior posts?

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   12 months ago

          Just like Libs of TikTok is unfair, so is quoting anyone if it might be taken as critical. Remember the rules of preschool discourse.

          1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   12 months ago

            Severe, unrepentant alcoholics like Sarc detest accountability.

            1. Chumby   12 months ago

              A sobering condition…uh, never mind.

      4. R Mac   12 months ago

        Says the guy that constantly pushes narratives.

  27. Mickey Rat   12 months ago

    The Democrats finally convicted Trump for tge crime of defeating Hillary Clinton in the 2016 election. Congratulations to them for undermining the foundations of the Republic with this corrupt prosecution.

    May God have mercy on their souls,.

    1. InsaneTrollLogic (Banana Republic Day 5/30/24)   12 months ago

      It was also for the crime of apostasy. Remember, Trump was a Democrat at one time, and he hobnobbed with people like the Clintons. Then he turned on them and left the cult. Why do you think he elicits so much hatred from Democrats? He’s an apostate to them.

      1. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   12 months ago

        Like t'elk trump is a shol'va

        1. Medulla Oblongata   12 months ago

          Jaffa! Kree!

      2. windycityattorney   12 months ago

        Alternatively, Trump knew the GOP base were a bunch of gullible marks for his never ending grift. And boy did that pay off in spades.

        Now go buy some NFTs and bibles. Your billionaire is indigent and needs your help RIGHT NOW.

        1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   12 months ago

          Again, youre not a lawyer. Youre an activist.

          1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   12 months ago

            He was never a lawyer. I doubt he attended college. Unless it was for gender studies, or something involving homosexuality.

            1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   12 months ago

              I agree with you.

        2. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   12 months ago

          Alternatively, TDS-addled piles of shit like you can fuck off and die. Please. And thank you, shitpile.

        3. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   12 months ago

          Bridges up don't loot!

        4. Earth-based Human Skeptic   12 months ago

          Speaking of gullible grift, now do the DNC base.

        5. Mother's Lament (Banana Republic Day - May 30, 2024)   12 months ago

          "Now go buy some NFTs and bibles."

          Imagine getting a bible or a pair of sneakers for your campaign donation instead of another $5000 copy of 'Dreams from My Father'!

          Outrageous!

        6. EISTAU Gree-Vance   12 months ago

          Now, go hide from climate change and give more money to a massively wasteful government to “fix” it for you.

          Talk about gullible….

        7. Medulla Oblongata   12 months ago

          He took in about $40M in campaign donations in the hours after the verdict.

    2. Scooter   12 months ago

      This is what the result of an 8 year long temper-tantrum by children in adult bodies looks like.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   12 months ago

        Well, Democrats are the party of negating personal responsibility and perpetual childhood.

  28. Commenter_XY   12 months ago

    I hope that the individual members of this unbiased Manhattan jury release statements telling us what other crime POTUS Trump intended to commit. They had 3 to choose from; which was it?

    This conviction is a thing of national shame, dishonor, and disgrace.

    I am ashamed for my country, and for what we are becoming.

  29. ducksalad   12 months ago

    Well, this sucks. I was led to believe that a guilty verdict would bring about the end of society. But somehow there's still a pile of work e-mails this morning and my boss expects me in the office.

    Seriously, people are taking this much more calmly than I expected.

    1. sarcasmic   12 months ago

      I thought his followers would start murdering neighbors with Biden bumper stickers. What a bunch of pussies.

      1. Bertram Guilfoyle   12 months ago

        What about those with the “illegal alien hunter” bumper stickers?

        1. HorseConch   12 months ago

          Has anyone actually ever seen a Biden bumper sticker? He has the least enthusiastic voters I've ever seen.

          1. Bertram Guilfoyle   12 months ago

            No, but people who work for the bulwark probably have them.

            Incidentally, I live in Texas and going by bumper stickers alone, "beto" orourke would have won in a landslide.

            1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   12 months ago

              Most people who work for a living do not have time for political meetings, where they hand out bumper stickers.

          2. sarcasmic   12 months ago

            I see them here and there. But they don’t compare to the rednecks driving around in Ford trucks flying a Trump flag on one side and the Stars and Bars on the other. Those ignorant racist fucks are all over the place.

            1. Mother's Lament (Banana Republic Day - May 30, 2024)   12 months ago

              In Maine?
              Fuck you're a clown.

              1. sarcasmic   12 months ago

                Yes in Maine. They hate Democrats, blacks, immigrants and basically everyone who doesn’t think like them and look like them, along with anyone with a college education. So much hate. You and them would be instant friends.

                1. Chumby   12 months ago

                  Do they want to put all the blacks back in chains like the Democrats used to do to them?

                  1. sarcasmic   12 months ago

                    How would I know? They’re your friends, not mine.

                    1. Chumby   12 months ago

                      Who are these people specifically? You seem to know people that are foreign to me.

                    2. R Mac   12 months ago

                      They’re the people in his ass. That’s where he pulls them from.

                2. Mother's Lament (Banana Republic Day - May 30, 2024)   12 months ago

                  What Sarckles is doing here is a rhetorical technique popularly called "making shit up".

                3. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   12 months ago

                  And you've talked to these people or just repeating what your liberal friends narrative is?

                4. Chumby's Chimps E1 (5/30/24=0.0069)   12 months ago

                  I bet that just like the morons you argue with, you would all be very nice normal people in real life.

                  I hate the internet.

              2. Jefferson Paul   12 months ago

                I call bullshit on the "Stars and Bars" flag claim. The Stars and Bars was one of the official flags for the Confederacy, specifically the government. Not too many people flying that flag around. I think Sarc meant to say the Confederate battle flag, which is the familiar red flag with a variation of the St. Andrews cross. I doubt there are MANY people displaying that flag in ME, similar to how I doubt he regularly sees the "immigrant hunting" bumper stickers he reported a month ago on all these cars in rural ME.

                1. Medulla Oblongata   12 months ago

                  There's only a minuscule few idiots displaying them in Georgia. How many can there be in Maine?

            2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   12 months ago

              Racist to fly the American flag now. Bookmarked.

              1. ObviouslyNotSpam   12 months ago

                Oh, did you miss the part about the "Stars and Bars"?

                1. Mother's Lament (Banana Republic Day - May 30, 2024)   12 months ago

                  You mean a graphical method used to derive the formula for multiset coefficients, or the American flag?

          3. Chumby   12 months ago

            A few vehicles from New York, Mass, and Connecticut visit to get away from those shitholes and they occasionally have the pedo branding on them.

          4. CE   12 months ago

            I lived in California and saw way more Hillary bumper stickers than Biden bumper stickers, even last year.

      2. Mother's Lament (Banana Republic Day - May 30, 2024)   12 months ago

        No you didn't, but as a team blue medicine man, I'm certain you were hoping that they would.

      3. Well Adjusted Biden Guy   12 months ago

        BLM. Is much better at this than Trumpians in their RVs and pickups.

        1. sarcasmic   12 months ago

          I'm honestly shocked. I thought that his supporters would be having temper tantrums with guns, taking shots at Subarus and hybrids.

          1. Mother's Lament (Banana Republic Day - May 30, 2024)   12 months ago

            Like your Democrats?

          2. Well Adjusted Biden Guy With Banana   12 months ago

            Come on, man. Did you see J6? Sooper lame and dumb. I’m not a lawyer so I’m not privy to the details of the charges against some of them (don’t really care either, tbh), but if I were a Dear Leader I would have jailed each and every one of them for being the biggest morons on the planet. Monumentally stupid and self-righteous should be a crime, IMHO.

            1. sarcasmic   12 months ago

              Meh. Humiliation is punishment enough. For those that know what shame is that is.

              1. R Mac   12 months ago

                Humiliation, shot in the face, years in solitary being abused by his party’s SS guards, either way sarcs’s good.

            2. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   12 months ago

              If monumentally stupid and self righteous were crimes, every prog would get the death penalty.

          3. Bertram Guilfoyle   12 months ago

            You would think downtown Chicago (MAGA country) would be especially dangerous right now.

          4. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   12 months ago

            See DemSalad, your response is just like sarc.

            Now do you understand my comment? Lol.

        2. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   12 months ago

          Fuck off and die, steaming pile of TDS-addled shit

      4. Mother's Lament (Banana Republic Day - May 30, 2024)   12 months ago

        "his followers would start murdering neighbors with Biden bumper stickers"

        Also, seeing as every single case of someone murdering someone else solely for their political beliefs in the last five years was team Sarc killing a Trump supporter, that's a pretty gutsy accusation.

      5. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   12 months ago

        Talks about the what, not the who. Cheers loudly and celebrates with some MD2020 when his political enemies suffer. Quite the one true libertarian.

      6. Earth-based Human Skeptic   12 months ago

        Project much?

    2. Mike Parsons   12 months ago

      Its only 1 of the top 10 articles on my google news feed, and not even in the "trending" tab on reddit (presumably Eminem's new single and Shiloh Jolie-Pitt dropping the 'pitt' is more captivating news).

      The trial of the century for them is a nothingburger hours later. No one cares about this

      1. HorseConch   12 months ago

        Well, when they run a bullshit trial in a bullshit court with a bullshit judge, a bullshit prosecutor in a hostile location, is it really news that their bullshit begets a conviction?

        1. Medulla Oblongata   12 months ago

          I mean, seriously. Did anyone really think Kirk would NOT get convicted by the Klingon Court?

          https://youtu.be/gCbr_3QRqdY

    3. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   12 months ago

      Ahh yes. Because the state abused someone else with their power and corrupt conviction and not you, it is just fine. Thank you DemSalad. As long as you’re not effected the state can abuse whomever they want. Brilliant take!

      I'm sure there are idiot Venezuelans and Iranians who say the same thing about their government.

      1. ducksalad   12 months ago

        You know, man, you've got a long running reading comprehension problem. You're especially bad when it comes to Jacob Sullum, who you almost always read 180 degrees off what he said.

        That's because instead of reading what people write, you're feverishly punching a pre-existing strawman in that hot head of yours.

        So, where did I say it was "just fine"? I said people were taking it more calmly than I would have expected. That's the exact 180 degree opposite of what you believe you read.

        1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   12 months ago

          You are literally making an excuse that the world didn’t end. Not one post of yours is critical of the trial. Lol.

          Who the fuck do you think you’re fooling?

          Your first impulse was to attempt to attack those against the ruling, not criticize the timing. Youre just like sarc. The actual state abuse isn’t your concern. It is how you can use it to attack your opponents.

          Please. Cite where you are criticizing the ruling or the state abuse. All I see is “the world didnt end.” The same shit sarc and Jeff are pulling.

          The first impulse of someone generally highlights their stance the most honestly.

          Don’t walk back now. The world didn’t end so everything is fine. Lol.

          Your quote even that you highlight has no bearing on the state abuse. Youre just happy nobody started gunning people down last night lol. You expected your enemies to be violent over this. Nothing you said criticized the trial or those who support the trial, instead you expected those against the trial to be violent.

          But please. Justify your stance. Are you even able to criticize the lawfare or the democrats celebrating? Apparently not on first impulse.

          1. ducksalad   12 months ago

            Not one post of yours is critical of the trial.

            Utterly false, as anyone who’s been reading the threads over the last several days would know.

            Further reading comprehension lessons: when someone prefaces a sentence with “seriously”, it’s a hint that the preceding sentence wasn’t.

            Are you even able to criticize the lawfare or the democrats celebrating?

            It’s not a sincere question, but just in case, you can open up some threads from yesterday and do a ctrl-F. **Take off the decoder glasses** and then read what I wrote yesterday, before the verdict came out.

            This is a test of your honesty. I hope you pass but expect you won’t.

            1. sarcasmic   12 months ago

              This is a test of your honesty. I hope you pass but expect you won’t.

              His talent is in cramming maximum lies into minimum words. It's the only thing he's good at. It's why I say he should have gone into law enforcement. He makes cops look honest, if that's possible.

              1. Mother's Lament (Banana Republic Day - May 30, 2024)   12 months ago

                Fuck off, trollio. Go rub one out to your Bragg poster and spread your bullshit elsewhere.

              2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   12 months ago

                What lies sarc?

                I pointed out exactly what DemSalad did. His excuse making doesn't change the words he willfully used

                Since he can't, can you point out where he was criticizing the verdict?

            2. Chumby's Chimps E1 (5/30/24=0.0069)   12 months ago

              Conform!!!

            3. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   12 months ago

              Amazingly you can't find an example. Jeff and sarc also claimed every once in a while they were against the NYC trial then spent dozens of posts defending it or attacking people against the trial. The same as youre doing here.

              Can you give me the logics text book that says seriously followed by a clause means the opposite?

              You are free to cite whatever you want. I dont see you doing so.

              I do find it strange that you continue to not criticize the verdict even when called put for not criticizing the verdict.

              You now have 4 posts sans any criticism of the state, the verdict, or the democrats cheering about it.

              Instead we have multiple posts of you inferring those against the trial you expected to be violent.

              So let's make this simple.

              Criticize the state. Criticize the verdict.

              Or act like Jeff and Sarc and keep doubling down because you actually like the harm the verdict caused someone you dislike. It really is that simple and you're failing.

              1. ducksalad (5/30 bad, really!)   12 months ago

                Criticize the state. Criticize the verdict.

                I have, and will, but I’m sure as hell not going to do it on command when you tell me to.

                Fuck your orders to bend the knee.

                1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   12 months ago

                  And you can't provide any evidence either. Weird.

                2. sarcasmic   12 months ago

                  Now he's trying to make you dance like a monkey. Best response is to mute him.

                  1. InsaneTrollLogic (Banana Republic Day 5/30/24)   12 months ago

                    Are you throwing and trying to make it stick, Sarc?

                    By the way, no one buys your line about muting anyone anymore.

        2. sarcasmic   12 months ago

          That’s because instead of reading what people write, you’re feverishly punching a pre-existing strawman in that hot head of yours.

          He is the reason that Reason added the mute feature.

          1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   12 months ago

            No Drunky, that would be you and SQRLSY.

          2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   12 months ago

            Congrats DemSalad, you got sarc on your side!

            And sarc you drunkenly proved you don’t mute me last night lol.

            1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   12 months ago

              Sac loves you far too much to ever mute you.

          3. Bertram Guilfoyle   12 months ago

            The mute feature you don't use?

    4. CE   12 months ago

      When the outcome isn't a surprise, no one acts surprised.

      1. EISTAU Gree-Vance   12 months ago

        Lol. Yeah, this. ^

        Pretty condescending of duckie to be surprised that MAGA didn’t chimp out like antifa, though. He must reside in a bubble.

  30. Longtobefree   12 months ago

    That verdict is a bunch of malarkey.

    1. ObviouslyNotSpam   12 months ago

      It could have been the flip-side of "jury nullification".

      Kind of hard to completely eradicate that, unless you eliminate juries.

  31. Mother's Lament (Banana Republic Day - May 30, 2024)   12 months ago

    "willing to excuse his criminal and norms-shattering behavior time and time again are both frequently wrong"

    Fuck you, Liz!

    Don't pretend that this criminal and Stalinist lawfare has the slightest bit of legitimacy, and that this was anything other than a banana republic dictator attempting to destroy the opposition.

  32. Well Adjusted Biden Guy   12 months ago

    Dear OBL and Red Rocks:

    I’m reaching across the aisle to you, ok? Last night, the peanuts here were going a little crazy because their precious Dear Leader got convicted of 34 felony counts. Lots of crazy things were said— like we’re going to sucede, we’re going to carry out an armed rebellion, we’re going to start carrying out politically-based prosecutions—that make me a little worried for their safety. Can you talk them down a bit and provide a safety check? I’d do it myself, but I’m a Democrat and thus a baby-fucking lizard creature to them. So they won’t listen.

    1. Randy Sax   12 months ago

      The only aisle you reach across is at Toys R Us.

      1. Ajsloss   12 months ago

        Zing!

    2. InsaneTrollLogic (Banana Republic Day 5/30/24)   12 months ago

      Shrike, no one should reach across any aisle for your carcass.

    3. Mother's Lament (Banana Republic Day - May 30, 2024)   12 months ago

      Fuck off, Buttplug

      The fact that you'd be trolling the destruction of your republic with masturbatory glee was completely expected, but that doesn't mean we have to put up with your racist, Nazi ass.

      1. Chumby   12 months ago

        Civil unrest provides him with easier access to minors. Satiating his urges drives his actions.

      2. Michael Ejercito   12 months ago

        The man we need is Mike Davis.

        https://www.mediamatters.org/steve-bannon/steve-bannons-show-mike-davis-threatens-rain-hell-these-biden-democrats-and-warns-them

        ***START QUOTE***

        MIKE DAVIS (ARTICLE III PROJECT): What’s going to make my year next year is when President Trump appoints Mark Paoletta or Jeff Clark as the Attorney General and the other one can take the White House Counsel job. And John Sauer is President Trump’s Solicitor General. And John Eastman is going to run the Office of Legal Counsel. And Your Excellency, Viceroy and Gov. General of D.C. Mike Davis is going to help them rain hell on these Biden Democrats.

        I would say to these guys, lawyer up. I would lawyer up because guess what? This is a criminal conspiracy that these Democrat prosecutors and Democrat White House officials, Democrat Judges, Democrat witnesses, Democrat operatives — they’re running an — Andrew Weissmann, buddy? You’re running a criminal conspiracy to violate the civil rights of President Trump, his top aides like Peter Navarro and Steve Bannon, his lawyers like Jeff Clark and John Eastman, his supporters on January 6.

        …

        This is lawfare. This is election interference. And there are going to be the most severe legal, political and financial consequences come January 20, 2025.

        ***END QUOTE****

        I hope they expand their reach to include all Democrats.

        Hopefully, they can establish a regime where those who breathe even one syllable of dissent against Trump, or the American way, gets targeted for prosecution of crimes real or imagined, using dubious legal arguments and forged evidence if necessary, regardless of what statute, evidence, Brady v. Maryland, or the United States Constitution say.

        The rules have changed.

        I did not choose to change the rules, others have changed them for me.

        We need to do this to these subhuman vermin Democrats or they send us to the gas chambers!

        1. Well Adjusted Biden Guy With Banana   12 months ago

          Ya see, OBL? It’s not looking good.

          1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   12 months ago

            Eat shit and die, TDS-addles slimy pile of shit.

          2. Michael Ejercito   12 months ago

            The more subhuman Democratic vermin are imprisoned, or even executed, for crimes they did not do, the better.

            Subhuman vermin have no rights worthy of respect.

            1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   12 months ago

              Democrats have no souls. So anything you do to them is ok.

            2. Dangerangel   12 months ago

              You seem upset.

              1. Well Adjusted Biden Guy With Banana   12 months ago

                Deranged, I would say.

    4. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   12 months ago

      Kill yourself

    5. Super Scary   12 months ago

      I figured the comments would have the usual suspects taking a victory lap. Thanks for being as predictable as ever.

      1. sarcasmic   12 months ago

        Does the lack of people taking victory laps mean your narrative was wrong?

        Ha ha ha ha ha! Just kidding. I know you'd never let facts get in the way of what you feel.

        1. Bertram Guilfoyle   12 months ago

          Did you read the thread last night?

          1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   12 months ago

            Did he read his posts this morning just above?

            1. Mother's Lament (Banana Republic Day - May 30, 2024)   12 months ago

              Sure he did, whether or not his alcohol-induced Wernicke-Korsakoff syndrome allows him to remember it is a different story.

        2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   12 months ago

          Aside from you and Jeff making excuses...
          Aside from you gleefully attacking those against the conviction...
          Aside from Kizinger, Joe, Cheney, Media, Journalists, Schiff, and others on X...

          This is why nobody believes you're libertarian sarc. Despite pretending you didn't agree with the case you've been extremely happy with the results the last 18 hours. Youre an authoritarian leftist.

        3. Super Scary   12 months ago

          You're literally doing it right now. How can one man lack so much selfawareness?

          1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   12 months ago

            Apparently required of all democrats.

          2. sarcasmic   12 months ago

            Sure. Except that I’m not. But keep up with the narrative. Don't ever let what people say about themselves get in the way of what others say about them. You wouldn't want to mature past middle school. If you did you wouldn't fit in with the commentariat anymore. You'd be an outcast.

            1. Super Scary   12 months ago

              Man, you are an absolute laugh riot. Enjoy the lessened trust in the court system. I'm sure that will work out just fine.

              1. sarcasmic   12 months ago

                I said from the very beginning that running for office on a platform of finding an excuse to charge a man with a crime is wrong.

                I said from the very beginning that the charges against him in this case were nonsense.

                But you’ll never let that get in the way of the narrative. Weak minds like you always choose popularity over the truth.

                1. Mother's Lament (Banana Republic Day - May 30, 2024)   12 months ago

                  You're sure trolling and taking a lot of victory laps over something you say is "wrong".

                2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   12 months ago

                  No you didn’t. You didn’t shift until the NYT and Sullum admitted to it, months after the initial indictment.

                  And even then you continued to blame Trump the victim for causing the trial and the political use of the law denying the lawfare.

                  Even this morning just like DemSalad you seemingly don't care to criticize the state or abuse of law. That isn't the focus of a single comment of yours.

    6. Red Rocks White Privilege   12 months ago

      LOL, just because some commenters are in a dudgeon about this doesn't mean I consider the left to be any less execrable, or that this whole "unity-criticism-unity" attempt isn't any less obvious.

      1. Well Adjusted Biden Guy With Banana   12 months ago

        What’s “unity-criticism-unity?” I’m only proposing a temporary truce in order to keep the TDS-addled nitwits here from doing something stupid or screaming at the sky.

        I mean, really, what’s the likelihood of me having a long term coalition with someone that supports an obtuse, grandstanding pol who likes to shame the fat kids from drinking a slurpee? . [shudder] No. Let’s all agree on the simple things— that you shouldn’t jump off a building, charge a cop with a loaded gun, dress up like Wyatt Earp, or act like a fucking idiot if your side loses an election. That should be simple, right?

        1. Mike Parsons   12 months ago

          "What’s “unity-criticism-unity?”

          A compliment (shit) sandwich, basically

        2. R Mac   12 months ago

          “What’s “unity-criticism-unity?””

          You’re dumber than I thought. Impressive.

    7. TrickyVic (old school)   12 months ago

      A liberal that approves of charge stacking?

    8. EISTAU Gree-Vance   12 months ago

      And I am equally concerned about the giant sucking sound of well adjusted biden bitches moving north to Canada on Nov. 6. (At least the ones that don’t go to Gaza.)

      Pink hair dye sales will absolutely plummet. Spittin’ terbacky and cheesy poofs sales will not make up for the lost GDP. Plus we all know that all that air moving north with them will exacerbate global climate warming. That’s a lot of H02.

      It’s scary stuff. Do try to console them for us, will you?

  33. Reshufflex   12 months ago

    Criminal prosecution of political opponents is now tattooed on democrats. Forever. Nice job, Biden. Take a bow, motherfucker.

    It’s a sign of the rot that accompanies power, seeking power, and trying to keep it. You become the evil you detest. History gives us too many examples.

    This won’t end well for our kids. It never does,

    1. InsaneTrollLogic (Banana Republic Day 5/30/24)   12 months ago

      This now puts Democrats on the same level as National Socialists, Communists, Maoists (CCP), Fascists, among others. Be proud, Democrats, you managed to lower yourselves to that level. Just keep in mind what happened to most of them.

      1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   12 months ago

        Don't forget Putin. They love bringing Putin up. But now they seem to mimic him.

      2. DesigNate   12 months ago

        They were always at this level.

    2. Mother's Lament (Banana Republic Day - May 30, 2024)   12 months ago

      The fall of the republic just happened, whether the verdict gets overturned by a higher court or not.

      What the Democrats and the bureaucratic state just did probably destroyed America in its current form.

      1. Reshufflex   12 months ago

        Yep. The rubicon was crossed. The test is simple: how permanent has the animus for the Other been solidified as a result of this kangaroo court.

        And that’s just for starters.

        1. Michael Ejercito   12 months ago

          We have a holy, moral duty to hate subhuman Democratic vermin with all.our souls!

          1. InsaneTrollLogic (Banana Republic Day 5/30/24)   12 months ago

            Factio Democratica delenda est.

        2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   12 months ago

          I can hear the future wailing, when some (R) officials in some (R) state try and convict some popular (D) candidate, including all the excuses and special pleading.

          1. Mother's Lament (Banana Republic Day - May 30, 2024)   12 months ago

            (R)etards.

            They can call their yellow-stripes "principles" all they want, but by allowing this to happen they are just as guilty.

    3. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   12 months ago

      I'm not sure him nor most Dems actually detest evil. If evil can be used for power they will support it.

      1. R Mac   12 months ago

        How would they detest what they are?

  34. Michael Ejercito   12 months ago

    https://ethicsalarms.com/2024/05/31/regarding-that-verdict-in-manhattan/

    I’ve been getting a lot of inquiries about the verdict in the falsely dubbed “hush-money trial” that came down with unseemly speed yesterday. As with other high profile trials where I have not been on the jury or in the courtroom, I don’t have a legitimate basis for much ethical analysis of the trial itself, including the competence of the attorneys or the judge. The Kyle Rittenhouse prosecution was an exception, because of the blatant prosecutorial misconduct in that case that was evident from direct quotes (and the defense’s ethics were dodgy as well).

    The position that it was unethical to bring this case to trial as a form of what has been dubbed “lawfare” by critics is already locked in for me, and that is the most important feature of the case. As to the substance of the charges, the absurd number of counts in the indictment were obvious over-charging, an unethical prosecution trick but one that isn’t ever punished. The fact that Michael Cohen was the “star” witness against Trump should have, in my view, made the prosecution’s case insufficient to sustain a conviction on its face. Maybe others in historically significant criminal trials have been convicted “beyond a reasonable doubt” based on the testimony of such a throbbing habitual liar—the Lincoln assassination conspirators and Sir Thomas More come to mind—-but the former was a pro forma military tribunal affair where the defendants’ rights were severely restricted and there was never any chance that they would not be convicted, and the latter took place in England under the direction of a vengeful despot.

    The fact that the verdict came down so quickly in what was a very strange and complicated case—with judge’s instructions to the jury that would take me a couple of days to read and understand—strongly suggests a jury that had made up its mind already. I believe that it was wrong not to sequester the jury: I did see a lot of the broadcast media coverage, and it was generally disgusting. The ugly cheerleading for a conviction on all the channels except Fox News, which sounded like an arm of the defense team, couldn’t help but bias the jury.

    Oh—those jury instructions are here. Good luck.

    Last night, one of Trump’s attorneys said that the former President was “very involved” in choosing the jury. Well, Trump’s an idiot, and this time, far from the first, his hubris bit him in the…face. Putting two lawyers on the jury was insane. I’d estimate that in the nation as a whole, at least 75% of all lawyers detest Trump—heck, his own lawyers hate him—and in Manhattan, where Trump is even more spectacularly unpopular, I’d guess it’s closer to 90%. Lawyers on juries have undue influence: I know, because I’ve been a lawyer on a jury. Sure, one effective, fair, articulate lawyer who could break down the case for laymen might have been able to explain to jurors why the case was political and the prosecution’s theory was weak, but that was reckless gamble to bet on. After my experience with my ethics lawyers professional association and their unconscionable analysis of the recent Alito flag “scandal” as well as my conversations with my sister, I no longer have sufficient faith in most lawyers’ abilities or inclinations to avoid bias guiding their judgment in all matters related to Trump. I have a bit more faith in the analysis offered by legal experts like Prof. Turley and Andrew McCarthy, neither of whom are Trump admirers and who have shown the ability to be independent in their assessments of partisan-poisoned issues in the past.

    There is no question in my mind, however, that the guilty verdict is a disaster on many levels, no matter what happens going forward. The case was election interference and designed to be. Even if it ends up having exactly the opposite effect the Democrat totalitarians who engineered the “lawfare” strategy to rescue Joe Biden and themselves seek, the damage to the nation, the democracy, the legal system and the public trust is incalculable. I hope it can be repaired or at least mitigated, but I sure don’t know how.

  35. Well Adjusted Biden Guy With Banana   12 months ago

    It’s all going to be ok, peanuts. The sun is up. It’s a beautiful word. Dear Leader is still around trying to figure out how he can fuck his daughter. Life goes on. Chill.

    1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   12 months ago

      Make the world a better place; fuck off and die, TDS-addled asshole.

    2. Chumby   12 months ago

      Put down the banana and let the little boy go.

    3. Bertram Guilfoyle   12 months ago

      You have more sock accounts than Biden.

      1. Michael Ejercito   12 months ago

        I hope he is executed for a crime he fid not commit.

    4. Earth-based Human Skeptic   12 months ago

      Yup, going beyond showering with your daughter crosses the line.

      1. Mother's Lament (Banana Republic Day - May 30, 2024)   12 months ago

        Not for Buttplug. That's step 1.

  36. Earth-based Human Skeptic   12 months ago

    It's the Al Capone prosecution strategy: can't win prosecuting the actual crime? Get the perp on some secondary financial technicality.

    1. ObviouslyNotSpam   12 months ago

      Another member of the Trump/Capone Fan Club checks in...

  37. Earth-based Human Skeptic   12 months ago

    'It's pretty fun to play with this tool—called "Build a Trump Voter"/"Build a Biden Voter"—from The Economist.'

    Yup, I had fun for five minutes. But I wonder at how likely some of the profiles are, with eight categories and dozens of choices. Sure, some profiles might skew strongly for Biden or Trump, but if only ten people like that exist, who cares?

    1. mad.casual   12 months ago

      Sure, some profiles might skew strongly for Biden or Trump, but if only ten people like that exist, who cares?

      Don’t worry about those people. With the ‘Migrant’ option missing from the “Local Area” dropdown and Citizen vs. Other dropdown there’s not enough distortion in the data for them or anyone else to significantly affect the outcome.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   12 months ago

        Also, no "Dead Person" option.

  38. Earth-based Human Skeptic   12 months ago

    'I'm here for all shots fired at baby boomers but am not sure whether stinginess—also termed frugality or fiscal prudence—is the concern. Why are we trying to audit an entire generation's consumer spending habits? Who cares?'

    Every generation is retarded in its own ways, including how they view other generations. Now get back to work--at the office.

    1. Jerry B.   12 months ago

      We baby boomers are frugal because we were raised by parents who lived through the Great Depression and beat into our heads that you don't get into debt lightly, and that you should always have some money back for emergencies. Debt for mortgages or car payments, sure. Debt for clothes you'll throw away in a month because they're out of style, not so much.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   12 months ago

        But the young'uns told us spending money on stuff was crass, and how life is all about "experiences". Now that they have phones full of selfies and no houses, they blame us.

    2. Mickey Rat   12 months ago

      For the most part, boomers are in or approaching retirement. Which means they are living off savings, their wealth is tied up in assets like homes, and they are anticipating major end of life medical expenses. Why they are not hedonistic consumers is not that difficult to figure out.

  39. mad.casual   12 months ago

    It's pretty fun to play with this tool—called "Build a Trump Voter"/"Build a Biden Voter"—from The Economist.

    But remember, we can't have Voter ID laws because then people might be able to figure out who voted for whom and it wouldn't be a secret ballot any longer!

  40. Moderation4ever   12 months ago

    Trump has not been doing well in the courts lately. Yesterday's verdict was just another loss in a long string. So, does this loss increase the urgency to win in November 2024. He can delay the three remaining trials but can only stop them by winning the Presidency?

    1. damikesc   12 months ago

      Democrats running show trials is a long tradition of the Democrats.

      Black people had TERRIBLE results in Democrat courts in the South in the 1950's.

      I guess they REALLY were guilty.

      1. Michael Ejercito   12 months ago

        It was a miracle that the show trials of the past did not trsult on retaliatory guerilla warfare with attacks against both infrastructure and people.

        God will not give us the same miracle again.

    2. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   12 months ago

      Kill yourself

      1. ObviouslyNotSpam   12 months ago

        Don't bother voting. (The game's rigged.)

  41. Bill Godshall   12 months ago

    This editorial fails to acknowledge or criticize Bragg for claiming he'd bring down Trump in his campaign speeches, and fails to acknowledge or criticize the corrupt, unethical, conflicted and highly partisan actions of Judge Merchan, whose behavior has been nothing short of judicial malpractice.

    In response to this unconstitutional, illegal and corrupt electioneering lawfare to prosecute/persecute/bankrupt/imprison Donald Trump, my wife and I will be making a generous contribution to his campaign, and will be campaigning for him here in the deepest blue precinct of Pittsburgh.

    If Merchan imprisons Trump, further restricts his ability to campaign, and/or refuses to remove his unconstitutional gag order on Trump, his lawyers and his campaign, we'll make larger contributions to Trump's campaign.

    It's time for all civilized freedom loving Americans to preserve the US Constitution and our Democracy by contributing to and voting for Trump.

    Biden and the Democrats have knowingly and intentionally destroyed the greatness of America (just so they can reelect the most corrupt and incompetent President in US history).

    1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   12 months ago

      "...Biden and the Democrats have knowingly and intentionally destroyed the greatness of America (just so they can reelect the most corrupt and incompetent President in US history)..."

      Disagreed.
      Seems to me that Trump represents an existential threat to the swamp.
      The critters (Biden, et al) have been riding the gravy train to the tune of billions upon billions of dollars, while producing nothing of value at all.
      Trump threatens that, and so without the need to actively conspire, they simply act in concert toward their own, crooked and corrupt, best interest to keep that threat to a minimum.
      Trump has broken many, many people, all of whom needed to be broken, but it is just a start.

      1. Reshufflex   12 months ago

        This is dead on. Trump knows where the bodies are buried. He thought he was draining a swamp. Not even close. He peeked into the DC abyss, and its resident psychos aren’t about to give up control.

        1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   12 months ago

          It’s going to get ugly. And you’re right, these creatures will cling to power with their dying breath. So let them breathe no more.

          The rights of one American are more valuable than the collective lives of every democrat.

        2. mtrueman   12 months ago

          " He peeked into the DC abyss, and its resident psychos aren’t about to give up control."

          Trump was the one who 'handled' the covid pandemic. I never heard of Fauci until Trump put him center stage.

      2. Mother's Lament (Banana Republic Day - May 30, 2024)   12 months ago

        “Trump threatens that, and so without the need to actively conspire, they simply act in concert toward their own”

        “There’s no need for a formal conspiracy when all of the economic and political elites share the same ideology.”
        -George Carlin

    2. mtrueman   12 months ago

      "If Merchan imprisons Trump, further restricts his ability to campaign, and/or refuses to remove his unconstitutional gag order on Trump, his lawyers and his campaign, we’ll make larger contributions to Trump’s campaign."

      While you're at it, why not recommend a hot porn star for Trump to fuck, he can pass on your generous donation for her silence, and we can start the whole thing over again.

      1. Michael Ejercito   12 months ago

        You had better hope you stay beneath the notice of a Trump supporter who happens to be a prosecutor.

        1. mtrueman   12 months ago

          When I'm president, it will be porn stars for everyone. And Mexico will pay for it. In the meantime, let's all keep sending our own money to Trump, the world's neediest billionaire.

    3. ObviouslyNotSpam   12 months ago

      $15?

  42. Ra's al Gore   12 months ago

    https://x.com/sen_joemanchin/status/1796547335767671199?s=46

    My commitment to do everything I can to bring our country together has led me to register as an independent with no party affiliation.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   12 months ago

      Interesting. Any more likely?

    2. Mother's Lament (Banana Republic Day - May 30, 2024)   12 months ago

      Someone smells what's cooking.

  43. Jerry B.   12 months ago

    https://babylonbee.com/news/12-jurors-unanimously-vote-to-ensure-trump-reelection

    1. Rick James   12 months ago

      It's funny, but my prediction: Trump ain't gonna win.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic (Banana Republic Day 5/30/24)   12 months ago

        I’m not sure, at this point, if it matters if Trump should win or lose the election. Trump wins; they’ll refuse to let him be President again by whatever means necessary. Trump loses; they’ll push harder than ever before to silence their opposition. Either way, I fail to see this ending well, or in anything other than a very likely hot civil war of some kind. We crossed a point, a Rubicon yesterday where such a scenario seems very probable Given the state of our northern neighbor, I would expect them to gleefully join in. The hatred of Trudeau is very palpable.

        1. Mother's Lament (Banana Republic Day - May 30, 2024)   12 months ago

          Trump wins; they’ll refuse to let him be President again by whatever means necessary.

          This.

          If he manages to blast past the fraud margins, they will shoot him, have a hot coup, set off a bomb, anything to stop him.

          That's if they let the November election happen in the first place.

          1. InsaneTrollLogic (Banana Republic Day 5/30/24)   12 months ago

            Either way, it ends badly, and probably in a civil war as it will become obvious to most that the administration and their Blob allies have no intention of letting go of power.

        2. Mother's Lament (Banana Republic Day - May 30, 2024)   12 months ago

          The hatred of Trudeau is very palpable.

          If there was an election held today, polls show the Liberals and the NDP would be wiped out and the Conservatives would have an absolute majority with the Bloc Quebecois as official opposition.

          Trudeau and the NDP's Jagmeet Singh attended the WEF's Young Leaders of Tomorrow school together before they got into politics.

          1. InsaneTrollLogic (Banana Republic Day 5/30/24)   12 months ago

            The question is, can Canada wait until their next election? Or will the elephant in the apartment downstairs cause something else to happen?

            1. Mother's Lament (Banana Republic Day - May 30, 2024)   12 months ago

              Whatever happens in the US, you can be sure that Trudeau and Jagmeet will use it as an excuse to clamp down on any opposition up here.

      2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   12 months ago

        Not so sure. This ruling has pissed a lot off. DailyMail found a plus 6 swing to Trump last night.

        https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13480491/donald-trump-verdict-guilty-poll-positive.html

        Campaign donations surged breaking the donation sites. 35M in under 12 hours.

  44. Rick James   12 months ago

    Inside the world of TikTok influencers who instruct their lady followers on how to snag a rich guy.

    I'm all about that Soft Guy Era. Ask me if you're curious.

  45. Ra's al Gore   12 months ago

    Your daily reminder that Congress spent $17 mil of taxpayer dollars on hush money settlements to the women they raped, harassed, or just fucked and that Epstein clients remain above the law.

    1. Moderation4ever   12 months ago

      Not completely true, one of Epstein's clients was convicted yesterday in a NYC courtroom.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic (Banana Republic Day 5/30/24)   12 months ago

        Liar. Trump kicked Epstein out of Mar-A-Lago as well as being the President under whom Epstein was arrested and convicted.

        1. Moderation4ever   12 months ago

          Was that before or after Epstein introduced Trump to a 14 year old girl.

          https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/dec/01/ghislaine-maxwell-accuser-cross-examination

          1. TrickyVic (old school)   12 months ago

            ""‘Jane’, who did not accuse Trump or duke of misconduct, testifies in court she was introduced to former president by Jeffrey Epstein""

          2. Rick James   12 months ago

            Um, Epstein introduced everyone he met to his gaggle of 14 yr old girls. Steven Pinker was probably 'introduced' to a 14 yr old girl. And that's why Pinker unassed the circle of Epstein.

        2. Conchfritters   12 months ago

          Flight logs show Trump flew on the Lolita Express seven times, that’s almost as many times as Clinton.

      2. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   12 months ago

        You’re an inveterate liar.

      3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   12 months ago

        Holy fuck--do you even care how wrong you are?

        1. R Mac   12 months ago

          It’s a parody.

      4. Mother's Lament (Banana Republic Day - May 30, 2024)   12 months ago

        Trump was never one of Epstein's clients.

        He accepted two proffered rides on Epstein's jet. One with his wife and son, and another with his two kids.

        Later, he banned Epstein from Mar A Lago for creeping out on another guest's kid. End of story.

        Unlike your gods, Soros, Clinton, Gates, Pritzker, etc. he never visited the island.

        1. Moderation4ever   12 months ago

          Epstein knew plenty of people, only one is running for President.

          1. InsaneTrollLogic (Banana Republic Day 5/30/24)   12 months ago

            You have a citation where Trump was a client, or are you just blowing smoke out of your ass again?

            1. Moderation4ever   12 months ago

              How do you define a client of Epstein? As far as I can tell Epstein was not looking for money but rather access to circle of important and well-known men, the elites. Trump fills the bill, certainly had plenty of interactions with Epstein, and was on his list. Now we don't have any accusation of improper behavior for Trump, but the same is true for Clinton.

              1. mtrueman   12 months ago

                "Now we don’t have any accusation of improper behavior for Trump"

                How about releasing the traitor John Pollard, moving the embassy to Jerusalem, and recognizing land theft - and getting nothing in return? This from a supposed master negotiator. Trump appears to have been a victim of a 'honey trap,' whereby intelligence agents dupe victims, on threat of exposure, into doing something they otherwise wouldn't.

                1. Commenter_XY   12 months ago

                  misconstruemen, the resident nasty-ass antisemite, once again shows the world why it would be better off if misconstrueman got his nasty antisemite ass on a plane, fly his nasty ass to gaza, and stick his nasty-ass self in a fucking tunnel with his Hamas Homies.

                  misconstrueman, hope to hear about your demise in a tunnel in gaza. POS anti-semite. You all deserve each other.

                  1. mtrueman   12 months ago

                    Eat a big bowl of joo poo and fuck off.

                    1. R Mac   12 months ago

                      So that’s a no on fighting for your own beliefs?

              2. Mother's Lament (Banana Republic Day - May 30, 2024)   12 months ago

                Stop lying.

                We both know that Trump only appeared twice on his aircraft roster, both times flying with his family. We also know that Trump cut off contact with Epstein when he was booted from Mar A Lago.

                The same IS NOT true for any of the Democrats you're running cover for.

  46. Earth-based Human Skeptic   12 months ago

    If Trump gets reelected, who will Democrats blame this time?

    1. Ra's al Gore   12 months ago

      Putin. Raytheon wants WW3.

      1. Chumby   12 months ago

        Congressional members holding Paytheon shares may want it too.

    2. TrickyVic (old school)   12 months ago

      Justice involved supporters?

    3. ObviouslyNotSpam   12 months ago

      In a rigged election? How do you figure that would happen?

  47. Nardz   12 months ago

    Faggots

    https://x.com/terMaatMike/status/1796548234414031234?t=wGq1kvqsLDyIpa3uLaACvA&s=19

    Does this mean he won't be able to vote for me and Chase Oliver? @ChaseForLiberty

    1. Mother's Lament (Banana Republic Day - May 30, 2024)   12 months ago

      Celebrating the political prosecution of your electoral opponents is the peak of Reason brand libertarianism.

    2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   12 months ago

      Basically Chase is proving everything said about him being a leftist hiding under a veneer of libertarianism as correct. Luckily half the LP are fucking ignorant morons trying to be libertarian edge lords.

    3. R Mac   12 months ago

      The Libertarian Party is over.

  48. MWAocdoc   12 months ago

    "That's enough New York for today."

    And every day, Liz.

    1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   12 months ago

      Seconded.

  49. Ron   12 months ago

    based on this guilty verdict it is now illegal for any Republican running for office to consult with anyone other wise it will be considered a conspiracy. Note they have already been charging other Trump Lawyers over the J6 issues as conspiring.

    1. Moderation4ever   12 months ago

      Nothing wrong with conspiracies as long as you're not committing crimes.

      1. sarcasmic   12 months ago

        It’s not a crime if Democrats did it first, and no matter what it is Democrats did it first. Which means it's impossible for Trump and his minions to commit crimes.

        1. Mother's Lament (Banana Republic Day - May 30, 2024)   12 months ago

          What crime, faggot? What crime?

        2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   12 months ago

          And sarc defends what democrats are doing and have done. Doesn't support equal application of the law. Claims not to be a Democrat.

        3. R Mac   12 months ago

          Hey but sarc definitely is against this prosecution, can’t you tell?

      2. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   12 months ago

        So you free all democrats should be thrown in prison?

      3. Diarrheality   12 months ago

        Nothing wrong with conspiracies as long as you’re not committing crimes a democrat.

  50. Nardz   12 months ago

    Except there are no political solutions

    https://x.com/RyanAFournier/status/1796564639758860359?t=usBausPQNaogOTKvq0NvMA&s=19

    This is what’s on every channel right now.

    They fucked up. Big time.

    [Pic]

    1. ObviouslyNotSpam   12 months ago

      Twelve votes to convict. What do you think should be done to them?

  51. Heraclitus   12 months ago

    "but it is in fact quite plausible that Trump did not know that instructing Cohen to pay Daniels was illegal"

    So why not just cut a check directly from himself or his organization? Why have Cohen front the money and then gross up a payment to Cohen?

    Also, the campaign finance law that was broken was Pecker and AMI colluding to catch and kill and plant fake news (Ted Cruz's 5 mistresses and JFK assasination). That is an obvious in-kind donation that was covered up and concealed from the FEC and the public. Stormy Daniels was just a distraction. The fact is that Trump was planting fake news and his supporters are chumps for not realizing that he is still doing it straight to their faces.

    1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   12 months ago

      Why any sentient being would engage you is a mystery. Fuck off and die, TDS-addled pile of lefty shit.

      1. Heraclitus   12 months ago

        Feelin' bad that daddy has been lying to you all these years? Read the testimony of David Pecker and then go back to 2016 andf watch what Trump was saying about those Enquirer stories. He LIED to you. He is still lying.

        1. Diarrheality   12 months ago

          No, Sevo has simply correctly hypothesized you're a bush league troll whose clumsy antagonism stinks of deficiency.

    2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   12 months ago

      It was cut from the business personal account for Trump. CEOs often have personal expense accounts dumbass. He is the brand. If his image goes down the company image goes down. It is the same reason celebrities will set up trusts to handle this shit.

      Thanks for being ignorant.

      1. ObviouslyNotSpam   12 months ago

        Except for some reason he was careful to pay his lawyer, not hers...

  52. Chumby   12 months ago

    First they came for the pedophilic illegals, and I did not speak out - because I was neither a pedophile nor here illegally.

    Then they came for the pedophilic politicians, and I did not speak out - because I was not a Democrat.

    Then they came for the pedophilic private citizens, and I did not speak out - because I was not a pedophile.

    And then they came for me - to see how I liked the place being cleaned up.

    1. ObviouslyNotSpam   12 months ago

      (They'll think less of you if you don't change your name to include some reference to T-Day.)

  53. Spiritus Mundi   12 months ago

    Sentencing, which may include prison time but does not necessarily,

    Poor Liz, still doesn't understand what is happening.

  54. Well Adjusted Biden Guy With Banana   12 months ago

    I’d put the chances of Trump winning the election at ~40%. If that happens, do you think I’ll be here on this comment board telling people it’s time to grab their guns and to employ Democrats to conduct politically- motivated prosecutions. No. I’ll merely react by saying that because of my skin color and the amount of money I have in the bank whether Joe Biden or Donald Trump is in office won’t affect me.

    I’ll still fuck my wife and, if she gets pregnant, we’re going to the Planned Parenthood to abort the little fucker. That’s because I don’t live in some backwards hick state where the church controls the government. Nothing much will change for me.

    Relax, peanuts.

    1. Bertram Guilfoyle   12 months ago

      Remember when you said the clinton admin bears no responsibility for 9/11/2001?

      1. Spiritus Mundi   12 months ago

        That is because they were secure in trunks.

    2. Mother's Lament (Banana Republic Day - May 30, 2024)   12 months ago

      I’ll still fuck my wife and, if she gets pregnant,

      She probably won’t, Buttplug, because she’s too young to menstruate.

      we’re going to the Planned Parenthood to abort the little fucker.

      I’m normally against abortion, but giving birth would kill a six year old.

      1. Chumby   12 months ago

        His wife also has a Y chromosome so “her” getting preggers is dubious.

    3. Red Rocks White Privilege   12 months ago

      I’ll still fuck my wife and, if she gets pregnant, we’re going to the Planned Parenthood to abort the little fucker.

      LOL, thank goodness. I'm certainly on record stating that your side needs to be incentivized to abort as many pregnancies as possible. Nits become lice, after all.

  55. Uncle Jay   12 months ago

    Trump the first felon?
    Not really.
    Bill Clinton had to be pardoned by Jimmy Carter for his sins back in the 1970's before running for governor of Arkansas...much to the joy of the citizens of Mena, Arkansas.

    1. ObviouslyNotSpam   12 months ago

      I'm going to have to vote for the box of rocks.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic (Banana Republic Day 5/30/24)   12 months ago

        That box is still smarter than you.

  56. Longtobefree   12 months ago

    Every time you pass a democrat's office, or walk past the White House, toss a banana that way to remind them we know they are setting up a banana republic.

    (of course, they will call it racist, muttering something about monkeys, but we all know what it really means)

  57. shadydave   12 months ago

    If this prevents Trump from actually running for President, it's an obvious disaster. But if it only manages to annoy him until it gets overturned on appeal (as soon as this leaves New York its over), well whatever.

    Trump is clearly ahead in the polls, and if the plan is to disqualify him from running to prevent him from winning an election he'd otherwise win, well then that really is not even remotely liberal Democracy and an epic travesty. "Cutting down every law in England to get at the Devil" was not considered to be a "good thing" at one point.

    1. ObviouslyNotSpam   12 months ago

      Ah, yes. The "vast left-wing conspiracy" we've heard so much about.

  58. Incunabulum   12 months ago

    >willing to excuse his criminal and norms-shattering behavior time and time again are both frequently wrong, but in this particular case, the legal argument was mighty dubious, writes Reason's Jacob Sullum,

    What really gets Sullum is the 'norms shattering'. We're supposed to just go along with the Democrats like good little (L)ibertarians and RINOs. MEAN TWEETS FOR GOD'S SAKE!!!!

    He got his 'adults are back in charge' and then spent the next 4 years complaining about the adults in charge - but don't you dare attempt to change the status quo! NORMS, our precious norms are at stake here.

    1. Longtobefree   12 months ago

      Norm is an idiot.

  59. Stuck in California   12 months ago

    are "based" but I still do not know what this word means nor will I investigate.

    I'm with Liz on this one.

    1. Chumby   12 months ago

      Not based.

  60. mtrueman   12 months ago

    Pak Chunghee 1962 – 1979 (assassinated in office)

    Chun Doohwan 1980 – 1988 (convicted of leading an insurrection, conspiracy to commit insurrection, taking part in an insurrection, illegal troop movement orders, dereliction of duty during martial law, murder of superior officers, attempted murder of superior officers, murder of subordinate troops, leading a rebellion, conspiracy to commit rebellion, taking part in a rebellion, and murder for the purpose of rebellion, as well as assorted crimes relating to bribery in 1997 death sentence, commuted, pardoned)

    Roh Taewoo 1988 – 1993 (convicted of treason, mutiny, corruption in 1997 22½-year jail sentence was reduced to 17 years on appeal, pardoned)

    Roh Moohyun (no relation) 2003 – 2008 (suicide ? 2009)

    Lee Myunbak 2008 – 2013 (convicted of bribery, embezzlement and abuse of power in 2018 sentenced to 15 years, pardoned)

    Pak Geunhye (yes relation) 2013 – 2017 (impeached, convicted of abuse of power, bribery, coercion and leaking government secrets in 2018 sentenced to 24 years, pardoned)

  61. Red Rocks White Privilege   12 months ago

    One bright spot in this conviction circus is that the centrists are finally coming to the realization and acceptance of something they’d have gotten into hand-wringing hysterics about, but which I’ve been proposing for years now–that there are, in fact, a red USA and a blue USSA, that the things that unite us are practically non-existent now, and that an amicable divorce is preferable to a civil war. It's just a question of how the lines should be drawn, because there's no way in hell that the states are going to keep their current boundaries.

    1. Ajsloss   12 months ago

      because there’s no way in hell that the states are going to keep their current boundaries.

      *Ohio immediately agrees to cede Toledo back to Michigan*

      1. R Mac   12 months ago

        No thanks.

      2. tracerv   12 months ago

        Memphis to Arkansas please!

    2. mtrueman   12 months ago

      I hear Hawaii has excellent golf facilities. How about hand Hawaii to the Trump family, and everywhere else for everyone else. Everyone's a winner.

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   12 months ago

        As long as "everywhere else" doesn't include leftists.

        1. mtrueman   12 months ago

          As long as I get to decide who's a leftist.

          1. Red Rocks White Privilege   12 months ago

            Nah, I'll be making that decision.

            1. mtrueman   12 months ago

              You're a frustrated, resentful, humorless husk of a man. Why don't you decide to clean your room instead, and spare me your idiotic fantasies?

              1. Red Rocks White Privilege   12 months ago

                And you're marxist swine. Why don't you freaks stop punishing functional societies just because reality doesn't guarantee 100% equal outcomes?

  62. Ajsloss   12 months ago

    .

  63. The Margrave of Azilia   12 months ago

    Someone told me that Trump was the first felon to be nominated for President by a major political party.

    I replied, "first *convicted* felon."

    Andrew Jackson: murder
    John Tyler: treason (in the Late Unpleasantness)
    James Buchanan: bribery
    Richard Nixon: which felonies *didn't* he commit? Ford pardoned him for *all* crimes he may have committed in office.

    If the list seems limited, I have only so much time to waste on the Internet, and I'm deliberately limiting myself to crimes recognized as such at the time they were committed.

    1. The Margrave of Azilia   12 months ago

      Tyler wasn't nominated for President, of course, he simply *became* President.

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