San Diego Is Cracking Down on Groups Exercising Outside Without a Permit
A revision to the municipal code made it illegal for groups of four or more people to convene in public spaces for commercial recreational activities without a government stamp of approval.

They come in packs. They're often crunchy. They're chameleons: a downward-facing dog one moment, a cobra or child the next. (What versatility!) They do handstands and breathe peacefully. And we can't have any of that.
At least, not on public land. By "they," I'm referring to the world of yogis. And by "we," I mean the city of San Diego, which revised its municipal code in March to prevent groups of four or more people engaged in commercial recreational activities—yoga, fitness classes, dog training, etc.—from convening in public spaces without a permit.
Law enforcement officers are zeroing in on rogue gatherings, breaking up beachside classes before they begin and issuing tickets to the teachers. And despite the city's emphasis on "commercial" activities, park rangers are also busting those groups who meet with no cost of admission. "It's really tragic that the city would take away the opportunity to come to a class for free, to be outside in a public park, and to enjoy nature," Amy Baack, a yoga instructor, told San Diego's KGTV station. And despite what might be the gut reaction here—"Just get a permit!"—it appears the city isn't making that easy: "We are perfectly willing and ready to get a permit," Baack added, "if the city would allow it."
The law was originally tailored to target permitless food vendors. Reasonable people can and should debate the necessity or utility of preventing people from buying hot dogs from someone without a stamp of approval from government bureaucrats. But it would seem even more questionable to apply that concept to people who voluntarily meet by the water to do some stretching. Conjuring safety concerns there requires an active imagination.
Indeed, San Diego says the core issue at stake is safety. Officials expanded the code, which went into effect March 29, "to ensure these public spaces remain safe and accessible," a city spokesperson said in a statement. What danger these groups pose while transitioning from, say, bridge pose to wheel pose remains unclear.
The idea that the code provision ensures accessibility, meanwhile, is richly ironic, as it explicitly excludes from access those taxpaying San Diegans who have the audacity to work out with other people sans a permit. That they have gathered together as opposed to separately, or to do a specific activity as opposed to something nebulous, should not suddenly necessitate approval from the government.
Whether or not the rule will survive is up in the air: An attorney for a group of yoga instructors on Friday served a cease-and-desist letter to city officials. Whatever the case, it's an example of the government implementing a solution in search of a problem, which didn't actually exist until city leaders created it.
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Yogatta have a permit for that.
They were bothering the homeless encampments with their cheerful exercising.
How can you shit on the grass in peace with a group of assholes doing jumping jacks just twenty feet away.
In L.A. there was a major homeless encampment in McArthur Park complete with a body that was floating in McArthur Lake for two or three days before the police were notified.
Now that's unauthorized use of a lake for disposal purposes.
That's funny.
Yoga mat?
What yoga mat?
This is my sleeping pad, I’m homeless.
So are all my friends.
Now get out of my bedroom!
Don’t people have jobs anymore?
Not in California!
If you have a job you have to pay taxes.
If you don't have a job, California pays you.
A bunch of crunchies in the park makes me think of this shirt.
Does anything smell worse than patchouli?
Does this apply to illegal immigrants or BLM/Palestine protestors?
Those protests are likely why this was passed.
In San Diego? Unlikely. And, by the way, the article already says that it was passed because of unpermitted food vendors.
Enjoyment ? For free ?! Stop right there, commie !
Typically, written in a smarmy tone and specifically ignoring the specific issues. Dude probably has no idea of the actual problems.
It's not just yogis. It's not just "taxpayers" using a park.
The issue is people cordoning off an area for their own commercial activity. If you're doing, say, dog training. Maybe you set up an agility course that takes a bunch of space in a public park. You would be eating up a lot of space other people are also paying for, excluding those others, for your profit.
Yoga. Volleyball schools. Soccer tournaments. An over the line tournament... Lots of things are basically running a business, using public parks in a way that excludes other taxpayers. Where's the line between when I am just putting up an umbrella and a lawn chair, and when I'm now appropriating the park of the beach for my own business?
There's debate here. Way more than "four people stretching together, ohhh smarmy smarmy discounting the issue" Binion here. I'm not on the side of more regulation, personally, but there's definitely an argument to be made for some restrictions on commercial use of public property.
That’s my feel for it. I don’t really care if they’re set up on park property not bothering anyone or getting in the way even if it is a paid class. What I take issue with is them taking over the space and pushing people out when they have no more right to the space than anyone else. Let’s say this specific spot has a magnificent view that draws people to the park. If they’re taking that space over for a couple of hours a day then they are depriving others of what they’ve paid for.
There are soccer fields behind my house. If nobody has them reserved then they are free to use. Nobody has more right to use it than anyone else. If big crowds start using it without reservations, leaving messes, and making it so others can’t use it then they’ll get to the point of banning it’s use outside of scheduled periods. If these people can’t share the public space well, then I’m not really bothered by putting something in place to let everyone use it fairly.
All that said, I truly don't care about groups doing their thing and being unobtrusive. I meet with a running group that would fall under the same circumstances. I'm questioning if there is more to it that spurred the action
There is more. And, notably, there has been a substantial upswing in fitness groups taking over parks the last couple years. When all the indoor stuff was closed, people would do it outdoor, and many made businesses out of it.
Beyond that, the reason "yoga" keeps coming up is a yoga instructor has a lawyer who has been threatening to sue and is pushing it all in the local media.
But, this isn't only a recent problem. We had folks running a "boot camp" for fitness in my town, who would have orange cones all around a park. We also have a volleyball school that takes over all the courts for two hours every night. We've had dog trainers do their obedience classes in parks. Tons of events like Weddings and quinceneras and birthdays that take over a local park with tents or inflatable bouncy houses.
In many cases, like the volleyball school, they make a trade. They get exclusive use of an area of the beach -- a long stretch of beach so by using a small area they're not taking anything away from others -- and they pay a fee, promise to keep it clean, and have actually set up public volleyball courts. You can string your own net and play any time other than class hours if you want.
On the other side, I bet there was a ton of pressure from yoga studios and fitness studios that have to pay rent, taxes, fees, and the like because they rent a physical space. Nothing makes people start pressuring their city councilman more than having competition that doesn't have to pay the same overhead. So there was certainly a little protectionism there.
But, to be clear, it isn't just Yoga. Lots of stuff going on here.
A bit of a case of assholes on both sides here. I actually didn't consider the issue of studios being undercut by people using public spaces to avoid paying any overhead and creating an unbalanced competitive environment funded by taxpayers. Still don't think I agree with the brick and mortar businesses trying to shut down the others if they aren't being a nuisance.
A bit of a case of assholes on both sides
Politics in a nutshell.
And gender reveal parties taking over forested areas of parks with a lot of dry timber and brush on the ground?
You know who else had a gender reveal party that didn't go as planned?
I think I linked to that one yesterday.
Michelle Obama?
You mean Yucaipa?
No dried timber there. That's San Berdino. The National Forest there is nothing but scrub brush and dry grass. That was a special kind of stupid, on a hot and windy day, amidst what was basically kindling. Might as well have poured pink gasoline on a propane stove to celebrate the upcoming little bundle of narcissistic joy.
Maybe you're doing something in a public park that takes up space?
Yeah? So? I pay for that space.
What's that? You wanna use it. Fine. right after I'm done.
No? You don't want to wait?
Well then maybe you shoulda got here before me. See we SHARE this space. We take turns. And it's my turn now because I got here first. You can have it when I'm done.
No. What's that you're doing? Having laws made so that you can use legal force to get me out of your way?
Fuck off, slaver.
What's San Diego's policy on drag shows on public property like libraries? How about gay pride parades on city streets?
It's safe to assume the Drag Queen Yoga class would not be bothered.
Absolutely and along with it drag queen contests for young children.
In my state we've had that rule in state parks for a long time. It's used mostly to harass people giving kayaking and canoeing classes.
Crypto-persecution of Falun Gong?
Jacking it Jacking it Jacking it in San Diego!
Parks are parks. If we must have them, they should be for non-commercial activity, not for people to hold and run their business in.
Ideally such commercial groups would pay fees to the park so the park wouldn't have to use taxpayer money, but still, if they aren't going to pay, they shouldn't get to make money off the place.
Serious question, what would the inside-the-beltway libertarian say if Joel Osteen held services in the park every Sunday, drawing in about 52,000 worshippers, essentially making it impossible for normies against genocide, or harm reduction services or food trucks to effectively operate?
Oh fuck that, I will contribute $1000 to the Reason Foundation if Reason holds it’s next Southern California East of the 405 south of the 210 journalisming awards in that park. And I want to see them fight the authorities every step of the way, with lawyers making a principled argument that they should be allowed to hold such an event in the park at any time they want.
And that's a non-profit event, yo.
If there's no seriously competing non-commercial use for the place, what's wrong with someone's making money off it? They've already been taxed. If the government isn't reorienting its operation to favor them, why is that any worse than if nobody's making money?
Seems obvious the city is doing this because they prefer to collect taxes from exercise classes in fitness centers that pay property and business taxes and it takes away the illegal opportunity for those collecting cash to not report all their income.
It's all about the Benjamins.
I mean, truth be told, I can't tell one hippie from another. So, whatever, go ahead and bust the punks.
Honestly, there's a terrible but utilitarian Ends Justify Means thing at work here. Bust the stupid hippies, but let the druggie transients go free? I mean, if I were courting the stupid hippie vote...
At first glance, this action appears to be typical of petty little city tyrants (officials) and we all know just how petty and jealous they can get.
Yet, who's to blame for this problem? It's obviously the result of the lockdowns ordered by the king himself, Gavin Newsom, and enforced by the local princes ( mayors), which led to this situation.
You can't blame people for seeking alternatives when they're forced by the great gods of government to obey every little dictate that issues forth from the little prince's office.
On the other hand , everyone has the right to enjoy the use of the local public park, after all their taxes are being used to maintain the area.
Presumably the people taking the classes are also paying taxes for the park .
I say let them have their classes, but don’t allow them to exclude anyone from the space they are using unless they have paid to use it. Everyone is allowed to do yoga in the park, so a bunch of people doing it together should be allowed. Once people realize they can attend the classes without paying the problem solves itself.
That works for me. I have equal rights to the space and can downward dog with them if I want without paying the instructor. If they reserve or rent the space then freedom of association comes into play and they can kick me out of the specified area. This goes along with protests claiming exclusive rights to spaces they don't own. If they aren't bothering anyone, then carry on. Otherwise they can gtfo
If it is not a commercial activity, how is this legal. The First Amendment states, “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO PEACEABLY ASSEMBLE, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.”
Where does it say you can’t peaceable assemble and do yoga?
I was just here by myself doing my yoga and a bunch of people started copying me!