Black People Overwhelmingly Want To Maintain—or Increase—Police Presence. They Also Want Better Police.
The dominant media narrative has obscured much of the nuance here.

Multiple things can be true at once. It's a simple maxim. It's also unfortunately lost quite often in a news cycle that favors division and extremes. That dearth of complexity is especially apparent, it seems, when isolating demographic groups and analyzing where they fall on key issues.
A recent study published in the Journal of Criminal Justice provides a necessary reminder that, among other things, people are complicated. The general topic at hand: How do black Americans feel about policing?
Based on the press coverage over the last several years, I'd guess that a popular knee-jerk response to that question would be a straightforward, "Bad." But new data challenge that notion, finding that while black Americans do disproportionately fear cops, they express robust support for maintaining—or increasing—police presence and spending.
"Our key finding was that Black Americans preferred to maintain (or increase) police patrol and spending, and that this preference was not conditional on the described crime rates or policing reforms," write Linda Balcarová and Justin Pickett of the University at Albany, SUNY; Amanda Graham and Sean Patrick Roche of Texas State University; and Francis T. Cullen of the University of Cincinnati. "Most Black Americans reported that even if crime rates fell and even if there were no new policing reforms, they still wanted to maintain or increase police patrol and spending."
That latter bit is particularly important in the context of their hypothesis, which theorized that black Americans' support for police had been overstated in past research and was instead contingent in part on the impression that governments were implementing positive changes to policing. But that wasn't the case.
Yet the most interesting numbers, at least in my view, are the ones that show the wide chasm between black and white people's fear of police when compared to the relative agreement about what those people want to see in their communities.
It is well-established that black people are disproportionately afraid of cops, particularly in comparison to their white counterparts. Black Americans are reportedly more than five times as likely than white people to fear excessive force from police. What's more, a study by three of the same researchers—Pickett, Graham, and Cullen—found that 42 percent of black respondents were "very afraid" police would kill them sometime within the next five years. Only 11 percent of white respondents feared the same thing.
But in their more recent study, they found that such fear coexists, however counterintuitively, with that strong desire to keep or increase police presence and funding. According to their data, 81 percent of black Americans who say they are afraid or very afraid of cops want to maintain or increase police spending, while 78 percent of those respondents want to maintain or increase the number of cops in their communities. (As for the black respondents who said they are not afraid of police, support for maintaining or increasing police presence and spending were both over 90 percent.)
Interestingly, non-black respondents were more likely to express openness to decreasing police spending when crime is on the decline. The bulk of black respondents, however, expressed a consistent preference for maintaining or increasing funding notwithstanding the crime rate of the moment.
So what's going on here? A few things, I think.
The first: Just as the data make clear that black Americans are more likely to fear police, it is also plainly true that black people are disproportionately the victims of violence. It follows, then, that the people most impacted by crime are going to have strong feelings about abating it however possible. And while police are not always adept at solving crime—in 2022, for example, police cleared about 37 percent of violent offenses reported to them—their presence does have a deterrent effect on criminal activity, which also comports with basic common sense.
So too would that explain, at least in part, why their white counterparts are seemingly more open to decreasing funding levels depending on the context. A survey conducted by USA Today and the Detroit Free Press, for instance, found that 24 percent of black respondents in Detroit ranked public safety as "the biggest issue facing the city," emphasis mine, whereas only 10 percent of white respondents answered similarly. (A mere 3 percent of black respondents said that police reform was the most pressing issue, coming in last place.)
But in yet another reminder that multiple things can be true at once, that does not mean black Americans view police reform as a throwaway issue. They are significantly less confident in cops, less hopeful they'll be treated fairly, and their general support for reform is 20 percentage points higher than U.S. adults on the whole. In other words, many black Americans appear to be conducting a basic cost-benefit analysis: They know crime is a problem. They know police are part of the solution. And they know they want better police.
Much of this nuance is obscured in a media conversation that is often dominated by the polar fringes of the political spectrum and a failure to contextualize tragic events. Police brutality is unacceptable. No serious person would argue otherwise. And yet it also remains true that the odds of police killing anyone—regardless of race—is low and has gotten lower as the decades have gone on. Despite the viral claim to the contrary, those killings are not at a "record high." As I wrote last year:
A steep, decadeslong drop-off in police violence should be good news, no matter where you stand in this debate. It should be good news because fewer people dying is a good thing, and it should be good news because it shows some past reform efforts worked and can be learned from. It doesn't mean there isn't more work to be done.
But good news carries little currency in the current political climate. Positive developments are inconvenient when it comes to galvanizing support for your cause or getting clicks on the internet.
The conversation, like many conversations, is often driven by activists who claim to speak for entire communities—well-intentioned, yes, but incentivized to present a more dire picture than exists in reality.
That anyone can speak decisively for the "black community," or any broad community, is a ridiculous concept to begin with. There is no spokesperson for all black people, or all white people, or all women, and so on. There are nuances and differences among those groups, which might seem surprising today. It should be anything but.
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You people want more policing.
Wonder what Jimmy the Greek would say about this.
“What do you mean, you people?”
https://youtu.be/xPxs0Qh72kY?si=qvof97K9htGY-Dax
Look, it's rich whiny white liberals in general that don't want police. They see minorities as victims with no responsibility for their actions.
"Black Americans are reportedly more than five times as likely than white people to fear excessive force from police. "
Notice they don't say why. It's because they resist more.
I know Reason hates the police. There are bad apples of course, but the whole 'police hunting black people' thing is a joke.
The City of St. Louis (just the city, not metro area) is 44% white, 43% black, and has just under 1,200 police officers. (0.05%) Median Household income of $30k. High property crime, and high violent crime.
My municipality is about 70% affluent white liberals, and we have 36 officers for about 8,000 residents. (0.5%) Low-to-moderate property crime, low violent crime.
The rural home county that I'm from also has 8,000 residents, and 4 police officers. (0.05%) They are almost 90% lower-to-middle class whites. Low-to-moderate property crime, low-to-moderate violent crime.
Odd that the Affluent White Female Liberals in my neighborhood have almost 10x the police presence as the inner city neighborhoods we border. (Or the rural white folk have, for that matter) While they flaunt their Black Lives Matter, Defund the Police, and other progressive yard signs, even when it's not election season.
Well, property crime in the rural counties that I lived in from time to time was low because every house had several guns and several dogs.
That, and everybody know everybody. Or at least know people who know you, and vice versa. So when your well pump gets stolen, you have a pretty good idea which local meth-head might have done it in pretty short order.
I live in Jefferson County, part of the St. Louis metro area, the southern rural part, and we have 162 cops for 300,000 people. The city of St. Louis has about 300,000 and 10x the officers.
Okay, some of the tiny towns in JeffCo have police departments. But it's still probably 4-5x as many in the city and there are like no murders in JeffCo. Maybe 1-2 a year
I mean, Arnold is probably the largest, most affluent municipality in JeffCo and they only have 50 officers. For 20k residents. (0.25%)
Festus, which is more rural (as you know), has 13k people and about 9 officers. (.07%) So there's no way you're going to hit the City levels on that trajectory.
It's not quite a "joke". There really are racist cops out there. There absolutely are people who literally get off to beating the shit out of people for no good reason and a lot of them make their way into law enforcement as a method of satisfying those needs and they disproportionately inflict their abuse on the people least able to resist it. They exist and it's more than a couple bad apples.
That said...
The problem is, as you point out, nowhere near as large as it is made out to be. The people waving signs are always saying the stupidest things. Though it would help if the "good apples" didn't spend so much time, effort, and money covering for the bad ones too.
I have personally encountered racist cops in NYC.
I never forget what Jesse Jackson said when he heard footsteps behind him after dark and was very relieved to see that it was a White man.
What’s more, a study by three of the same researchers—Pickett, Graham, and Cullen—found that 42 percent of black respondents were “very afraid” police would kill them sometime within the next five years. Only 11 percent of white respondents…
…blah blah blah blah
As if “Black Americans” are some fucking mysterious subculture that requires advance sociological research for understanding their POV.
Ask around for yourself and you’ll find different “races” have very similar views about the rise in crime and the role of the police. Mind you, you’ll hear views that don’t align very well with leftist cheerleading of emptytheprisons and “police reform”.
“The White liberal is the worst enemy to America and the worst enemy to the Black man." Malcolm X
The Demonrats keep the Blacks enslaved.
Skin color makes people think the same way.
More black people need black guns.
Didn't surveys show this same thing 3 years ago when BLM was instigating riots worldwide over George Floyd?
It wasn’t only black people.
Certain billionaire creeps were involved.
Didn't they already solve/make progress with this problem with ethnic whites in big cities 120 years ago? Bring back or reimagine for current times beat cops.
Black Americans are reportedly more than five times as likely than white people to fear excessive force from police.
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But in their more recent study, they found that such fear coexists, however counterintuitively, with that strong desire to keep or increase police presence and funding.
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Interestingly, non-black respondents were more likely to express openness to decreasing police spending when crime is on the decline.
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So what’s going on here? A few things, I think.
No, it’s just one thing. You failed to consider a necessary premise. Whether it just sailed over your head or you intentionally missed it – bruh, Occam’s Razor.
All of these things make perfect sense when you factor in this missing premise: There is an intentional, concentrated, and well-backed/funded effort to make the black community conditioned to hate/fear the police. And, frankly, white people as a whole.
Leftists/Marxists in power, those seeking power, and those controlling the narratives and pop culture, and those responsible for indoctrination at our so-called “education” facilities peddle this constant lie. It’s a parallel running offshoot to this idiocy that all the ills the black community faces stems from white people and their “systemic” “institutional” blah blah blah nonsense. And they never deviate from these lies, even when it makes NO SENSE WHATSOEVER. (Like when a black cop shoots a black perp who pulled a gun, or heck, when a black gang kills a bunch of black people in a black neighborhood in a predominantly black city – somehow that’s white people’s fault. Like this clown in the “Activism” section is arguing:
https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/deborah-cotton-racism-new-orleans/
)And they’ve been so successful at this that many in the black community now raise their own children to believe it. It’s become homegrown. Factor in the Marxism with its singular, myopic, intentionally ignorant, and socially destructive “oppressor/oppressed” dynamic, and soon you get the Ibram Kendi/Barack Obama/BLM types who are openly preaching that hate/fear can only be resolved by equally shared misery – while shortsighted orange morons then try to flip it completely without understanding what they’re doing and why, without appreciating what that ends up breeding in the alternative. (While, of course, they’re ALL laughing in their mansions and penthouses).
Like, here, this is a perfect example (sorry for the quality, not my video) – and it goes WAY back well before all this BLM idiocy started:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09-iq5AhDDo
Did you catch that? It was just a real quick line. You might have easily missed it. (But your brain didn’t.)
“Mama says policemen shoot black people.”
And neither of the black cops deny this, as they quickly change the subject. (Riggs, on the other hand, laughs.) Now, I’m not going to say this was intentional on the part of the late great Richard Donner – I’m just pointing out how absolutely ingrained it is everywhere, as this lie is constantly pushed on the black community.
I don’t know how many black people most of you actually know – but it’s just not like that out in the real world. Normal people aren’t like that. It’s only those who have been fed this slow-drip poison that’s brainwashed them who are like that. And they’re not representative of the black community as a whole. THAT’S why this is all so confusing to you, Billy.
Just look at those three lines I cited at the beginning.
“Reportedly.” vs. “in a more recent study” vs. “white people, who just looooooove to be offended on behalf of black people virtue signal nonsense.”
Which, I might add, is why so many black people are suddenly red-pilling.
They’re wising up to the lies.
The solution to high crime in Black urban neighborhoods is in the hands of the residents themselves. The criminals are their sons. Their mothers and grandmothers are their enablers and protectors.
Just look at these statistics.
https://www.threads.net/@zc2125034/post/C5O7AbBS-IT
Over 19,000 white girls, raped by black men, EVERY YEAR.
When these rapes stop, these police shootings and these driving while black stops will stop!
Are you high ? You own data says that 88,000 white women are raped by white men for the same period, yet there are no apologists for police shootings of white men and no driving while white stops .
It's Reason. Of course he's high.
As for the desire for "better cops"...
If only there was some organization that could collect millions of dollars on the back of violent and abusive actions by cops, AND TURN THAT MONEY INTO PROGRAMS TO TRAIN AND IMPROVE THOSE POLICE FORCES. If only...
Wasn't improved policing the supposed goal of those mostly peaceful violent riots we had a few years ago?
Their goal is the destruction of Western civilization.
Can we all agree that we need better policing ... regardless of skin color ? Look at all the abuse cases, malfeasance / misconduct cases being thrown out of court, escalation charges, qualified immunity shenanigans, etc. Wouldn't we all be better off with improvement to the policing we already have ?
Sure, but when's the last time you saw a public sector union improve the quality of its service?
Firefighter unions have worked with fire departments to improve the candidate physical exam, the training, the protective equipment, and the way that large urban fires are countered.
The International Association of Fire Fighters was the first labor union to endorse Joe Biden in the 2020 campaign.
And how’s that working out for them?
Logic dictates better police is a better choice than more police.
Ergo, you know the city, county and state politicians will choose more police.
More. It's never enough. They always want more.
No you need both. Most communities in the US are inadequately policed.
This isn't rocket science. It was Black voters who made retired NYPD Captain Eric Adams the Mayor of NYC. They rejected a long list of defund police advocates, who split the upper class White vote.
Those well off Whites who want to defund police are supporting a racist policy.