Biden's Tariffs Are a Bad Idea
Bad for consumers, bad for American industry, bad for his administration's own environmental goals, and bad for an increasingly irrational executive branch.

When he was campaigning four years ago, Joe Biden offered voters an alternative to the flawed protectionism and expensive tariffs of the Trump administration. "We're going after China in the wrong way," he said at one point during that successful run at the White House. On other occasions, he (correctly) highlighted how Americans were bearing the brunt of then-President Donald Trump's tariffs, a sentiment that reflected his long history of pro-trade views.
With the prospect of a rematch against Trump looming in November, the Biden administration announced Tuesday that voters won't be getting that choice this time around.
After days of speculation and leaks, the White House officially ordered massive new tariffs against Chinese-made electric vehicles (E.V.s), semiconductors, port equipment, and medical gear, including syringes and rubber gloves. In other words, Biden is now actively pursuing an agenda that he once termed "the wrong way" to counter China.
The White House announced Tuesday that it would double existing tariffs on semiconductors from 25 percent to 50 percent, hike tariffs on steel and aluminum, and increase tariffs on many components used to build E.V. batteries from 7.5 percent to 25 percent. The big blow is the stunning tariff hike on E.V.s imported from China, which will now be subject to a 100 percent tariff, up from 25 percent.
Only about 1 percent of American E.V. imports come from China right now, but the high tariffs will effectively guarantee that Americans cannot purchase cars from some of the world's biggest E.V. manufacturers in the future.
It is a decision that reflects the muddled economic thinking that has defined Biden's time in office. It is a promise to raise taxes on Americans who want to purchase products the president disfavors, one that cuts directly against the same president's own environmental goals, all wrapped up inside silly election-year rhetoric.
"Today's announcement reflects President Biden's commitment to always have the back of American workers," the White House said in a statement.
But once those workers clock out and become consumers, things might look a bit different. As I've written before, both Trump and Biden err when they propose policies that benefit workers at the expense of everyone else. The economy is not made up of workers and consumers competing against one another but of individuals who are sometimes workers and sometimes consumers. The zero-sum logic behind economic protectionism makes everyone poorer even as the politicians promise otherwise.
And we know how tariffs work—or, rather, don't work. Indeed, we've had a six-year-long experiment in exactly this phenomenon.
"Tariffs on Chinese EVs won't just make Chinese EVs more expensive, they will also make American EVs more expensive," Ryan Young, a senior economist with the Competitive Enterprise Institute, said in a statement. "This is because domestic producers can now raise their prices without fear of being undercut by competitors. Good for them but bad for consumers—and for the Biden administration's policy goal of increased EV adoption."
Young pointed to the fact that domestic steel prices rose after Trump slapped tariffs on imported steel. Higher steel prices affected consumers in a variety of indirect ways, like by raising the price of cars and other products made from steel.
Erica York, a senior economist at the Tax Foundation, tells Reason that the new tariffs "will work no differently under President Biden than they did under former President Trump; they'll raise costs for consumers and businesses, and in this case, those higher costs will work in direct opposition to Biden's goal of greater EV adoption."
After the 2020 election, the incoming Biden administration's talk of a thorough review of Trump-era tariffs never amounted to much, and the White House has kept most of Trump's tariffs in place despite a lack of evidence that they are accomplishing anything other than raising prices for American businesses and consumers. Even though Biden has governed as a protectionist president, Tuesday's decision illustrates the extent to which cynical politics have triumphed over serious economics in Washington today—even after several years of higher-than-normal inflation have made Americans particularly aware of price hikes.
In that environment, adding more tariffs "is remarkably tone-deaf," says Bryan Riley, director of the free trade initiative at the National Taxpayers Union Foundation. "There is near-universal agreement that Section 301 tariffs failed to achieve their goals while costing U.S. taxpayers the equivalent of $1,700 per household and sparking Chinese retaliation against U.S. farmers and other exporters. It is asinine for the Biden administration to double down on this failed policy."
When voters go to the polls this November, they will face a choice between two men who have used their presidential powers to hike import taxes on American businesses and consumers (one of whom is campaigning on a promise to use tariffs even more aggressively in the future). Now would be a good time for Congress to claw back some of the trade policy power it has delegated to an increasingly irrational executive branch.
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When he was campaigning four years ago, Joe Biden offered voters an alternative to the flawed protectionism and expensive tariffs of the Trump administration.
Both are Big Deficit, Protectionist asshole losers.
Do you Peanuts miss Low Deficit, TPP low-tariff Obama yet?
Nobody misses Obama.
Particularly not the chef. Oh wait.
Too Sooooon.
The chef will neither be down to prepare nor have breakfast.
His goose is cooked.
You deserve the paddle.
You think I am here to stir the pot?
Are you shitting me? Even most of us blacks don't miss Obama. In fact, we wished we hadn't voted for him! Don't you think he's the shadow government of Biden? Wake up! You women vote with your hearts instead of your heads!
Obama was the first president to embrace racial division and hyper-racialize everything. Wokeism a byproduct of the Obama administration. I hope that America survives. Obama is one of the worst presidents ever. And that's a shame. He could have been a great president, had he not indulged in the culture wars and inflamed them even more than they already were inflamed. What leftists, and Obama is undoubtedly a radical leftist, don't understand is the importance of the personal liberties. We see deterioration of the personal liberties across the board. I am afraid that American political system is in dire need of a serious reform.
Sorry you flunked US history in high school. Obama was the best President of the 21st century and his free trade policies are a major reason. The culture wars were not instigated by Obama but by his opponents, most of whom were racists who couldn't tolerate the idea of a Black man in the White House.
Lol. So precious.
Because they were “bitter clingers”.
Well said.
If you call Obama low deficit you are either lying or stupid.
Trump tariffs GOOD! Biden tariffs BAD!!!
('Cause reasons, don't-cha know? HURT me baby, HURT me! So long ass yer ass is of MY tribe!)
Biden 2019 - Trump's tariff bad! All Dem agree. GOP split.
Biden 2024 - Trump's tariffs are bad because they didn't go far enough! We need to triple down! GOP against. Kruger wet himself he is so happy.
Reason comments - tariffs always bad.
Tariffs here are a hobby horse. The mag often ignores regulatory expansion of the government which dwarfs tariff costs.
Likewise not all tariffs are bad, just protectionary ones.
An example is the tariffs put on China is response to domestic corporate theft. The theft was roughly 10x the amount imposed by tariffs and got China to crack down on actual domestic costs being pushed to consumers. Once the crack down happened, tariffs were removed.
In a market, ignoring negative costs such as with theft also imposes a cost on consumers. Using tariffs to stop anti market actions can become a net positive to consumers if done to stop bad acts.
Totally spot on! I wish more of these knuckle heads so-called journalists understood economics. China is having it's way with us, imposing huge tariffs on our goods, and we keep make them richer? Ridiculous!
China taxes their citizens MORE than WE do, via tariffs!!! China is BETTER than we are, at cutting off their noses to spite their faces!!! We must KEEP UP, damn-shit!!! They are BETTER at, lemming-like, jumping off of cliffs, into the sea, and committing mass suicide!!! GET WITH THE PROGRAM, and the pogroms, and do shit BETTER than they do!!! (We could also kill more Tibetans and Uighurs better than they do, I bet!)
Yes, surely NOT trading with ANY ONE, and taxing the LIVING SHIT out of your OWN people, is the BEST way to VAST wealth!
Reason comments – tariffs always bad.
That is absolutely not true. Much of the commentariat fiercely attacked critics of Trump’s tariffs with all kinds of accusations from being delusional to being a leftist to not understanding economics. They only stopped when he left the White House.
“Hey, those Chinese are doing things I don’t like! Let’s punish them by raising taxes on Americans! That’ll teach those Chinese bastards! If they don’t learn then let’s raise taxes on Americans even more! Anyone who disagrees is a delusional leftist who doesn't understand how economics works!”
JesseAz 1 hour ago
Surprised sarc wasn’t in already screaming Trump.
Lol.
There's that strawman. Woke up late from the hangover I suppose.
Sarcasmic still may not understand what 'strawman' means, yet he’s one of their finest craftsmen.
He apes you idiots to a "T"! Accuracy is his middle name!
Poor sarc.
Anyone who supported Trump's tariffs didn't understand economics, or had a vested interest in the corporate welfare they promoted.
The same goes for Biden's tariffs. They are both horrible policies.
This has to hurt sarc so badly. Being as retarded as Charlie.
Wow, two of the most schizo people jump right into this one. Hilariously predictable.
Grey boxes!
Spb is a foreign intelligence asset.
I'm not sure what to make of that other thing. It reminds me of 15yo drunk trolling on aol.
Foreign for who? NIMBA? North Korea? Drag Queens?
Believe it or not, Sarckles is in his late fifties or early sixties. He once said he was 57, but I can't remember how long ago he said that.
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Typing like this is why I call you schizo. Same with the squirrel. You type like a crazy man shouting on the side of the street with a sandwich board.
Surprised sarc wasn't in already screaming Trump.
Maybe he fucked off with Lying Jeffy.
Chem “big spoon” Jeff
The average price of a new car is 49,500.
What the fuck is going on? I'm in the top 10% or something and I will be god damned if I ever pay 49.5 for anything other than a new truck or a used Benz. Oh a new truck is 90k? Fuck the fuck right off.
No wonder gen z is so pissed off.
Cry for me, bitch!!! Ye deserve shit, for NOT voting Libertarian! You wouldn’t recognize personal freedom if shit bit Your Perfectly Stupid Ass!
You Trump sluts are all Spermy Daniels clones... Trump fucks your ass, ass you lay flat on yer backs, then you bitch up a storm about shit!
The average US car payment is $737/month. That is a mortgage payment on a 15-year note. Too many fell for the Madison Ave-Baby Boomer keep up with the Joneses narrative.
I plugged numbers into this
https://mortgagesolutions.net/mortgage-calculator/
and was able to drive the mortgage payment on a 15 year note down to $750 by dropping the home price down to 60K.
That isn’t the price of the home. That is the price of the note. I haven’t yet been able to understand why people insist on leveraging themselves so much.
Oh come on, you know what I meant. Say you get lucky and find a place for "only" two hundred grand. Most people don't have 140K laying around for a down payment that will reduce the NOTE down to 60K.
Then they shouldn’t buy that house.
I am speaking from personal experience. As I posted, I don’t understand people that insist on saddling themselves with a 30-year anchor like that needing essentially two incomes for it along with their lifestyle choices. Also had a colleague who with his wife bought the land with cash. Then got a note for the materials they didn’t make with a Woodmizer. Think he was in it for about $60k.
There are two houses in my town for under $70k. One is a shitbox but the other looks recoverable with some sweat equity. There is also a three-quarter million dollar lake house for sale. 🙂
There is a meme posted on a libertarian TG channel of an older fella holding a sign that says:
Stop legalized plunder
I built and paid for my house by age 23.
Every 3 years I pay property taxes equivalent to the original price of my house.
Also on TG, story from Mail Online discussing the mortgage negative equity timebomb.
There is also a three-quarter million dollar lake house for sale.
Can sarc rent it with 5 colleagues for a weekend?
Sounds super fancy!
That one is for sale only, but there is a lake house at least that nice that can sleep 5+ for $415/night.
Then buy used. Today's cars last longer than the cars of yesteryear.
But the auto industry is demanding protection and Michigan is a purple state. Expect a bidding war with Trump demanding even higher tariffs.
Michigan is home to less than 20% of US auto production.
These tariffs are strategic. I’m sure they’re also reluctant.
It will be different this time!
Regrettably, reluctantly.
I really am looking forward to the next "Who we're voting for" article.
If they ever do one of those again, they’re all pleading the fifth.
Only about 1 percent of American E.V. imports come from China right now
Then these tariffs affect a very small subset of consumers.
Tariffs on Chinese EVs won’t just make Chinese EVs more expensive, they will also make American EVs more expensive
Not with competition like that.
Of course, this is obviated by the fact that only domestic producers wouldn’t be affected.
And we know how tariffs work—or, rather, don’t work. Indeed, we’ve had a six-year-long experiment in exactly this phenomenon.
The point of any sales tax is to tax sales, in this case of luxuries.
How much in taxes has been collected? How many companies are shifting resources to producing here and not importing?
Will anyone writing at Reason care to try to answer?
https://reason.com/2020/01/22/trump-campaigned-on-saving-factory-jobs-but-u-s-manufacturing-just-went-through-a-year-long-recession/
Clear-cut case below, showing the UTTER FAILURE of protectionism in general, and Trumpist protectionism specifically:
Meanwhile in the real world…
https://reason.com/2019/04/22/trumps-washing-machine-tariffs-cleaned-out-consumers/
Trump’s Washing Machine Tariffs Cleaned Out Consumers
A new report finds the tariffs raised $82 million for the U.S. Treasury but ended up increasing costs for consumers by about $1.2 billion.
PROTECTIONISM DOESN’T WORK!!! DUH!!!
Protect American washing-machine makers from Chinese competition? The FIRST thing that American washing-machine makers do, is jack UP their prices… AND the prices of dryers to boot, too! To SOAK the hell out of all of us consumers!!!
From the above-linked Reason article about washing machines…
“All told, those tariffs raised about $82 million for the U.S. Treasury but ended up increasing costs for consumers by about $1.2 billion during 2018 … (deleted). Although the trade policy did cause some manufacturers to shift production from overseas to the United States in an effort to avoid the new tariffs, the 1,800 jobs created by Trump’s washing machine tariffs cost consumers an estimated $820,000 per job.”
Summary: Nickels and dimes to the USA treasury; boatloads of pain for consumers. USA jobs created? Yes, at GREAT expense! Putting these 1.8 K workers on a super-generous welfare program would have been WAY better for all the rest of us! Plus, you know the WORKERS don’t make super-huge bucks (no $820,000 per job for THEM); the goodies flow to the EXECUTIVES at the top of the washing-machine companies! The same ones who play golf with The Donald, and join him for gang-banging Spermy Daniels! Essentially at our expense!
Biden's is a 100 percent tariff, up from Trump's 25 percent, you stupid old retard.
Citation please, Pervfectly Self-Righteous Twat!
https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/14/politics/new-china-tariffs-biden-trump/index.html
Both Biden and Trump want higher tariffs. Here’s what voters need to know
They are BOTH assholes just like Pervfectly Pervfect YOU, Twit-Twat!
"Citation please, Pervfectly Self-Righteous Twat!"
This very fucking article, you stupid Team Blue shill. Scroll up.
"The big blow is the stunning tariff hike on E.V.s imported from China, which will now be subject to a 100 percent tariff, up from 25 percent."
And the fucking Biden Whitehouse:
"The tariff rate on electric vehicles under Section 301 will increase from 25% to 100% in 2024."
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2024/05/14/fact-sheet-president-biden-takes-action-to-protect-american-workers-and-businesses-from-chinas-unfair-trade-practices/
This is exactly like how after two years of screaming down anyone criticizing Section 230, you failed to recognize Section 230 itself when it was posted and thought it was a lie.
Fucking idiot.
Stop cherry-picking, Pervfectly Lying Bee-Yotch!!!
Examples where Biden's tariffs are lower than the tariffs imposed by Trump:
Steel and Aluminum Tariffs:
In 2018, Trump imposed a 25% tariff on imported steel and a 10% tariff on imported aluminum from most countries.
In 2022, Biden kept these tariffs in place for some key trade partners like China, but removed them for allies like the European Union, United Kingdom, and Japan.
So for steel and aluminum imports from the EU, UK, and Japan, the Biden administration's tariff levels are now 0%, which is lower than the 25% and 10% tariffs imposed during the Trump era.
This move by Biden was aimed at easing tensions with allied trading partners that had retaliated against Trump's broad aluminum and steel tariffs. However, the tariffs remain for imports from China and some other nations.
So in this case, Biden's actions resulted in selective tariff removals and reductions compared to the across-the-board tariffs Trump had put in place for metals imports. It demonstrates Biden taking a more nuanced approach by lifting tariffs for allies while keeping them for competitors like China.
There are other examples too, like Biden rolling back some of Trump's tariffs on goods like washing machines, solar panels, and certain EU food/beverage items. But the steel/aluminum case highlights how Biden's tariff policies lowered rates from Trump's levels for key trading partners.
That’s not cherry picking, it’s 100% germane to the article you are commenting on. Don’t act dumber than shrike, it hurts his feelings.
The below is also germane...
The below was purely TRUMP’S pandering populist fuck-up, and we are STILL paying for this SHIT from Trump! Biden continues SOME of this shit, but Trump started these STUPID trade wars!
https://www.cato.org/blog/5-years-later-united-states-still-paying-tpp-blunder . . 5 Years Later the United States Is Still Paying for Its TPP Blunder
And more to come, if we are stupid enough to re-erect Him!!!
Trump trade war: Allies explore defense of tariff plan
The Washington Post
https://www.washingtonpost.com › business › 2024/05/07
8 days ago — Trump has also threatened a 100 percent tariff on any imports of electric vehicles made in Mexico by Chinese firms, despite the trade agreement …
You're the fucking liar, shill. And how the hell is it "cherrypicking" when > YOU < demanded that citation? Do you even know what cherrypicking means?
How the fuck did you become this retarded? Bad trips in the sixties? Inbreeding? Head injury? Senility?
And my citations were from the Whitehouse itself and this very article.
And IF you would have read the Whitehouse press release I gave you, and IF you would have read the article you're trolling under, you would have read this:
Following an in-depth review by the United States Trade Representative, President Biden is taking action to protect American workers and American companies...
Steel and Aluminum
The tariff rate on certain steel and aluminum products under Section 301 will increase from 0–7.5% to 25% in 2024.
You wouldn't have had to waste your time typing up all your irrelevant partisan bullshit if you would have just spent a few minutes reading the link to today's Whitehouse press release I gave you.
Before you give me another retarded reply, educate yourself: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2024/05/14/fact-sheet-president-biden-takes-action-to-protect-american-workers-and-businesses-from-chinas-unfair-trade-practices/
He is just here to waste your time. Similar to when white mike would sea lion or fatty gish galloping. A retarded heckler’s veto.
https://www.piie.com/blogs/trade-and-investment-policy-watch/biden-and-europe-remove-trumps-steel-and-aluminum-tariffs Biden and Europe remove Trump's steel and aluminum tariffs, but it’s not free trade
SOME free trade is better than NO free trade! It was TRUMP who started the worst of the recent trade wars, shooting down down TPP!!!
This was purely TRUMP'S pandering populist fuck-up, and we are STILL paying for this SHIT from Trump!
https://www.cato.org/blog/5-years-later-united-states-still-paying-tpp-blunder . . 5 Years Later the United States Is Still Paying for Its TPP Blunder
Search result https://www.economist.com/finance-and-economics/2024/05/14/biden-outdoes-trump-with-ultra-high-china-tariffs (read the details, not just the title!)
mentions that Trump's tariffs covered over $350 billion worth of imports from China, mostly at a 25% rate.
In contrast, search result https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/biden-sharply-hikes-us-tariffs-billions-chinese-chips-cars-2024-05-14/ (read the details, not just the title, again!)
states that Biden's new tariff hikes cover only about $18 billion worth of Chinese imports.
So while Biden has implemented some very high targeted tariff increases like 100% on EVs, his overall tariff coverage of $18 billion in Chinese imports is much narrower than Trump's $350 billion.
I GAVE YOU THE LINK TO TODAY'S WHITEHOUSE PRESS RELEASE, RETARD. READ IT.
It makes everything you just wrote irrelevant.
Read this, dishonest Orange-Dick-Sucker! This was purely TRUMP’S pandering populist fuck-up, and we are STILL paying for this SHIT from Trump! Biden continues SOME of this shit, but Trump started these STUPID trade wars!
https://www.cato.org/blog/5-years-later-united-states-still-paying-tpp-blunder . . 5 Years Later the United States Is Still Paying for Its TPP Blunder
The fact that China is still getting US taxpayers funds to subsidize their export is more angering to me.
https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/us-limit-chinese-firms-battery-parts-winning-ev-tax-credits-2023-12-01/
Despite the spin on limiting in the article, taxpayer funds still going to China.
And some of those tax dollars got sent back to the US -- in Trump's pocket.
Full retard achieved!
Biden is a bad idea but that didn’t stop several of the editors and 50-centers here from voting for him.
Trump-to-the-Dump is a WORSE idea but that didn’t stop several of the editors and 50-centers here from voting for him.
"; they'll raise costs for consumers and businesses, and in this case, those higher costs will work in direct opposition to Biden's goal of greater EV adoption"
No-where does it say that Biden/Dems still aren't manadating EVs, Solar, unicron dreams. It will just cost more
bad for his administration's own environmental goals,
How to sell Biden's Tariffs to the commentariat with one, easy statement.
Sarc's strawman took the day off today?
Fartman Gullible's strawman has been burned to the ground!
Let's se, when Trump did the tariff thing with China it was A-OK, now the 'other' guy deals with it and oh my good it's a bad idea. Odd isn't it; along with all the snarky crapola generated by the MAGA crowd.
Grow up people business is business not some tribal BS
Amen! Sad to say, with the MAGGATs around here, shit IS some tribal BS, ALL of the time!
(I'm waiting now... Any day now, toilet paper rolls off of the top or off of the bottom of the roller, will become a disputed mark of tribal Virtues!!!)
https://www.reddit.com/r/DoesAnybodyElse/comments/188xwkg/dae_put_the_toilet_paper_roll_so_it_rolls_out/
Not one person who supported Trump’s tariffs has said something negative about Biden’s here.
What comment section are you reading?
JesseAz 3 hours ago
"Surprised sarc wasn’t in already screaming Trump."
JesseBahnFarter-Fuhrer says or implies... All who criticize ANYTHING that Trump does, are "screaming" about Trump! The HISTORY of previous posts in previous articles, can leave VERY little doubt about rampant tribalism in these here parts! Be honest, willya?
And yet that post doesn’t argue against Biden’s tariffs.
"JesseBahnFarter-Fuhrer says or implies…"
No he doesn't, you filthy old fibber.
https://reason.com/2020/02/07/michael-bloomberg-and-the-imperious-presidency-2/#comment-8120658
JesseSPAZ comment: “He can fire political appointees for any fucking reason he wants.” With Respect to Der TrumpfenFuhrer, of course!
Jesse’s over-archingly lusting after the super-powers of the Trumptatorshit YET AGAIN!!!
Trump can fire them for not assigning their entire paychecks to Trump… For not licking Trump’s balls ass much ass JesseSPAZ does… For turning down Trump’s requests for them to perform personal murder-for-hire… For having fucked Spermy Daniels out of turn, when it was Trump’s turn… For Air Force Captain-Sir-Dude-Sir-Pilot-Sir refusing orders to go and bomb Nancy Pelosi’s house…
Just when I was rooting for JesseSPAZ to turn from his evil ways, he doubles down on Trumptatorshit-worship AGAIN!
And Marxist Moose-Mammary-Necrophiliac rushes to His rescue!
Getting close to the election. Get ready for a steady stream of lefty bullshit from people with names like “tazmo8448”.
“Let’s se, when Trump did the tariff thing with China it was A-OK, now the ‘other’ guy deals with it and oh my good it’s a bad idea.”
That’s 100% pure Sarcasmic sockpuppetry. He loves to start his trolls with “Let’s see".
Let’s see, how long until you track him down on X or FB. Well done on finding fatboy not so slim.
I was just googling for a previous post of his that Sarcasmic demanded proof of, and his blog and twitter popped up in the first six results.
In a burst of irony it was Sarcasmic’s sealioning and white knighting for Jeff that led to me finding them.
Even better. There was the hint that some of them hung out in social media. That comment regarding White Mike explaining why he left when it wasn’t posted here.
"Let’s se, when Trump did the tariff thing with China it was A-OK, now the ‘other’ guy deals with it and oh my good it’s a bad idea. Odd isn’t it; along with all the snarky crapola generated by the MAGA crowd.
Grow up people business is business not some tribal BS"
Let’s see, when Trump did the tariff thing with China you screamed it was practically Hitler, now Team Blue quadruples it and suddenly it's not so bad and boaf sides.
You're as predictable as a clock, Sarcasmic.
"Let’s see, when Trump did the tariff thing with China you screamed it was practically Hitler, now Team Blue quadruples it and suddenly it’s not so bad and boaf sides."
Your Pervfect Cites fell off!!!
The article above, you retarded fuck.
The below was purely TRUMP’S pandering populist fuck-up, and we are STILL paying for this SHIT from Trump! Biden continues SOME of this shit, but Trump started these STUPID trade wars!
https://www.cato.org/blog/5-years-later-united-states-still-paying-tpp-blunder . . 5 Years Later the United States Is Still Paying for Its TPP Blunder
And more to come, if we are stupid enough to re-erect Him!!!
Trump trade war: Allies explore defense of tariff plan
The Washington Post
https://www.washingtonpost.com › business › 2024/05/07
8 days ago — Trump has also threatened a 100 percent tariff on any imports of electric vehicles made in Mexico by Chinese firms, despite the trade agreement ...
"Tariffs on Chinese EVs won't just make Chinese EVs more expensive, they will also make American EVs more expensive," ... "This is because domestic producers can now raise their prices without fear of being undercut by competitors.
That's not happening anytime soon though. The market is skewed because of govt mandates to produce a certain amount of zero emission vehicles, and the EV tax credits. Car makers produced too many EVs and now the market is flooded and prices are going down. I know, because I just bought a slightly used EV for a steal.
Theoretically I'm opposed to tariffs, however, China also puts tariffs on US vehicles, so we don't have fair competition there either.
If China wants to impoverish its citizens through tariffs, why should we object?
CHARLIE HALL!
What makes you think they're Biden's tariffs?
No. NO! ENOUGH of this nonsense. I'm so sick of playing make-believe on this subject.
Full stop - what makes you think that anything Biden says or does at this point is his own idea, articulated by him, and reflects anything that came from his own vision for America?
If ANYONE wants to defend President Elder Abuse to me, I'm all ears - but you'd better come armed with an argument as to why a plutocracy is preferable to the system of government that was directed by our Constitution and enshrined for the good of all Americans.
There is NO POINT WHATSOEVER in debating a Joe Biden Administration policy without first making nakedly clear what a "Joe Biden Administration" actually means.
"What makes you think they’re Biden’s tariffs?"
They aren't; the current round of STUPID trade wars was started by TRUMP!!!
The below was purely TRUMP’S pandering populist fuck-up, and we are STILL paying for this SHIT from Trump! Biden continues SOME of this shit, but Trump started these STUPID trade wars!
https://www.cato.org/blog/5-years-later-united-states-still-paying-tpp-blunder . . 5 Years Later the United States Is Still Paying for Its TPP Blunder
No Taxation without Representation!
The problem isn't the politician but the public. People that advocate for protectionism while purchasing everything they want without regard to where it comes from. Trump, Biden, and the rest are just following along.