Americans Favor Freedom of the Press, Sort Of
Half the country says suppressing “false information” is more important than press freedom.

The good news is that Americans overwhelmingly support freedom of the press. The bad news is that a good half of the population doesn't seem to have the slightest clue what that means, favoring content controls even if they restrict free expression. How do you reconcile these views? You can't, unless you accept that many people want freedom only for publications and ideas with which they agree.
A Free Press, but…
"Nearly three-quarters of U.S. adults (73%) say the freedom of the press – enshrined in the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution – is extremely or very important to the well-being of society," the Pew Research Center reported last week. "An additional 18% say it is somewhat important, and 8% say it is a little or not at all important."
While support for press freedom varies across demographic groups, "there are no major differences by political party."
In a country as bitterly divided as the United States, this is a rare example of shared support for the core right to observe the world around us and share information with— Wait. Hold on.
"About half of U.S. adults (51%) say that the publication of false information should always be prevented, even if it means press freedom could be limited," adds Pew. "Meanwhile, 46% of Americans say press freedom should always be protected, even if it means false information could be published."
What? How do you support press freedom and make it secondary to suppressing "false information?"
If we're being charitable—and I'll step out of character for a moment to do just that—this could mean that the half of respondents who prioritize suppressing false information over a free press believe that falsities are easily identified, and their spread is always a matter of malice rather than of legitimate debate over what is true. But that's not reality and it is unlikely to ever be the case.
Importantly, the government officials who would inevitably be tasked with limiting press freedom to prevent false information are often the most enthusiastic sources of blatant untruths.
Who Watches the Misinformation Watchmen?
"A confidential trove of government documents obtained by The Washington Post reveals that senior U.S. officials failed to tell the truth about the war in Afghanistan throughout the 18-year campaign, making rosy pronouncements they knew to be false and hiding unmistakable evidence the war had become unwinnable," that newspaper's Craig Whitlock reported in 2019.
Two years later, the U.S. chaotically withdrew from that country amidst circumstances that continue to bring official credibility into question to this day.
In the intervening years, federal officials clashed with critics over public health policy, elections, and other issues. Rather than debate appropriate response to the pandemic, the origins of COVID-19, or the contents of Hunter Biden's laptop, agencies from the CDC to the FBI leaned on social media companies to suppress what they claimed, often with little evidence, was false and misleading messaging.
But alleged "misinformation" and "disinformation" often involved disputes among people with fundamental disagreements over what is true. Those with government jobs sought to silence their rivals rather than admit lockdown orders could do enormous damage, or that the pandemic may have originated in a lab leak, or that the president's son really did abandon a laptop full of damning data.
Last September, the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals found such suppression "in violation of the First Amendment" and issued an injunction to prevent further arm-twisting.
Do you really want to hand the job of limiting press freedom and suppressing false information to apparatchiks with a history of lying and muzzling critics as go-to policy choices?
A Partisan Press and a Lack of Trust
A big part of the problem is that, like everything else in this country at this time, the media is politicized and polarized. The bulk of the media favors Democrats and the left, while a smaller but significant segment favors Republicans and the right. A scattering of others adheres to other viewpoints (like Reason's libertarian stance) or attempt neutrality.
In those often partisan-leaning media operations, 55 percents of journalists "say that every side does not always deserve equal coverage in the news," Pew Research reported in 2022. That represented the view of 69 percent of journalists working for left-leaning publications and 42 percent of right-leaning ones. "By contrast, 22% of Americans overall say the same, whereas about three-quarters (76%) say journalists should always strive to give all sides equal coverage." That disagreement has consequences.
"Fifty percent of Americans feel most national news organizations intend to mislead, misinform or persuade the public," finds the Knight Foundation in its most recent (2022) report.
Consequently, while trust in media is at a record low 32 percent in 2023, according to Gallup, that breaks down to 58 percent of Democrats, 29 percent of independents, and 11 percent of Republicans.
The partisan divide appears in the relative importance given press freedom vs. suppressing false information. In last week's Pew survey, 57 percent of Republicans say press freedom should always be protected, even if false information could be published, compared to 38 percent of Democrats. Sixty percent of Democrats prioritize suppressing false information, compared to 42 percent of Republicans.
Why the divide? Republicans distrust media, but they also see high-profile efforts by government agencies to suppress "misinformation" as highly partisan and weaponized against them.
With a Democrat in the White House, while overall trust in government, at 16 percent, is even lower than that in the media, it's lower among Republicans at 8 percent than the 25 percent registered by Democrats. "Since the 1970s, trust in government has been consistently higher among members of the party that controls the White House than among the opposition party," notes Pew.
Those whose allies control the state may trust them with authority over the media, but those out of power might well prefer to take their chances with a press free to publish as it will. It would be interesting to revisit this issue once political fortunes turn and a Republican is back in the White House. Will preferences for press freedom vs. suppressing allegedly false information flip?
Better yet, maybe we'll finally get everybody to concede that freedom of the press, like all free expression, necessarily means surrendering control over what other people say.
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Free speech for me butt snot for thee!!!
Thank Government Almighty for Section 230!
OPEN QUESTIONS FOR ALL ENEMIES OF SECTION 230
The day after tomorrow, you get a jury summons. You will be asked to rule in the following case: A poster posted the following to social media: “Government Almighty LOVES US ALL, FAR more than we can EVER know!”
This attracted protests from liberals, who thought that they may have detected hints of sarcasm, which was hurtful, and invalidated the personhoods of a few Sensitive Souls. It ALSO attracted protests from conservatives, who were miffed that this was a PARTIAL truth only (thereby being at least partially a lie), with the REAL, full TRUTH AND ONLY THE TRUTH being, “Government Almighty of Der TrumpfenFuhrer ONLY, LOVES US ALL, FAR more than we can EVER know! Thou shalt have NO Government Almighty without Der TrumpfenFuhrer, for Our TrumpfenFuhrer is a jealous Government Almighty!”
Ministry of Truth, and Ministry of Hurt Baby Feelings, officials were consulted. Now there are charges!
QUESTIONS FOR YOU THE JUROR:
“Government Almighty LOVES US ALL”, true or false?
“Government Almighty LOVES US ALL”, hurtful sarcasm or not?
Will you be utterly delighted to serve on this jury? Keep in mind that OJ Simpson got an 11-month criminal trial! And a 4-month civil trial!
Should coercion be a crime?
Lying is coercion by compelling people with the false authority of truth to act in the liars interests instead of their own.
Lying is not protected speech. If it were, perjury and fraud couldn’t be crimes, and swearing oaths to tell the truth would be unconstitutional.
Maybe the public is really aware and tired of being coerced with lies at every turn and are calling for reasonable laws to protect them from it.
Keep it simple. Criminalize lying.
This requires the codification in law of how truth is determined. Scientists and philosophers have figured it out already. We just need to demand the same from those who would rule us.
The push back comes from liars, perpetrators of coercion.
Squirrel: the statement is ambiguous and therefore can have conflicting answers. It is unjust to demand an answer to an ambiguous question. Eliminate the ambiguity and the answer you’re looking for will be readily apparent.
The ministry of truth?
Given up trying to refute anything I say huh?
Still burnt from the last time eh?
Stick to rhetoric then like squirrel tries to. It’s safer when you can’t comprehend logic and science. You just look like…squirrel.
Sucks to be you.
You refuse any source you do not believe in.
So why should I bother.
I REFUTE sources that can be refuted with correctly applied logic and science.
Of course I don’t accept as true that which has been refuted because I’m rational and I value truth.
You do you. Be rational speak unrefuted truth and I’ll accept what you say.
Or, spew nonsensical rhetoric like squirrel and you have been doing and I’ll refute it if I want and school and ridicule you as I have always done.
What you choose to do doesn’t concern me.
Though I admitted take more pleasure in rational discourse than ridiculing the irrational.
Thanks for proving my point.
And proving the point that people who can't convince people resort to personal attacks.
Why do keep saying that by refuting what you say, I’m “proving your point”?
The truth is that for some reason you can’t or don’t recognize logic and science. That makes YOU irrational or corrupt or both.
If you don’t want it to be about you, then YOU should address the facts rationally so I don’t have to address you as the problem.
You are not refuting. You are providing a circular argument where you are claiming what you posted is proof of what you posted.
Your link which you use as evidence to refute the statements of actual page pilots in the video is “fact checked” only by the IDF who is accused of this crime against humanity. They provide no proof to discredit the Apache pilot testimony. The IDF simply dismisses the testimony without refuting it.
Therefore your link does not refute the video as you suggest it does.
This correctly applied logic of mine refutes your link.
There is nothing circular about this proof.
You can choose to accept my proof or prove with correctly applied logic of your own that I’ve made an error. Those are the only two rational options available to you.
Simply dismissing it as circular isn’t rational
Misek, stop. You’re done here. You have no credibility. You’re a neo nazi kook that supports Hamas. You are literally with the terrorists.
Now fuck off, adults are trying to have a real conversation here.
Israel, not Hamas, is on trial at the UN international court of justice for committing genocide.
Israel is the terrorist.
If you admire the UN as the arbiter of morality, you are more of a Nazi than I thought.
Hamas admits the Oct 7 attack which you are trying to claim Israel was behind.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/hamas-says-october-7-attack-was-a-necessary-step-admits-to-some-faults/ar-BB1h2dDB
The fact that Hamas did attack doesn’t refute that Israel set it up.
You really don’t understand logic do you?
Israel setup it up with Hamas?
Doesn't sound logical to me. Has anyone in Hamas admitted to such?
That’s irrelevant.
The following video is the best compilation of evidence to date that proves October 7 was an inside job coordinated by Israel as an excuse to commit genocide in Gaza.
https://richardgage911.substack.com/p/new-documentary-on-gaza-october-7
The video proves that Israel, funded, coordinated and enabled the October 7 attacks.
It shows that Israel opened the gate to welcome trucks carrying Hamas through the wall.
It shows how Israel not only ignored repeated warnings from their many surveillance sources but withdrew all defences from the wall and emptied their military bases just hours before the attack and had ZERO response for more than 6 hours.
It shows and proves that the IDF attacked the concert goers and the kibbutz’s with Apache helicopters and tanks.
It shows that they sacrificed dozens of their IDF forces to blame Hamas.
It shows that only handfuls of Hamas soldiers wandered for hours through the evacuated areas looking for soldiers to fight but finding none.
It shows that the hostages that were taken by Hamas said they were treated well.
It shows that Israel has funded Hamas with billions in cash in suitcases in the backs of cars.
It's relevant to your claim.
I'm sure you will dismiss this.
https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-does-video-show-israel-helicopter-shoot-festival-goers-1842754#:~:text=There%20is%20no%20evidence%20the%20IDF%20attacked%20Supernova,using%20footage%20and%20other%20details%20from%20the%20festival.
""It shows that the hostages that were taken by Hamas said they were treated well.""
Or perhaps not. But I'm sure you will dismiss.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/nobody-will-take-my-voice-anymore-gaza-hostage-on-her-days-as-captive/vi-AA1nKS1p?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=DCTS&cvid=eac090f75ace41b5b47fd07b9e00e3ed&ei=31
You keep referring to that one video. Basing everything off one video is not logical in pursuit of the truth.
It would be irrational NOT to base arguments on unrefuted evidence.
The fact that you repeatedly post refuted links is just one difference between you and I that I’m personally pleased about.
""The fact that you repeatedly post refuted links is just one difference between you and I that I’m personally pleased about.""
A circular argument is not refuting anything. A man of your logically capabilities should understand that.
The link I have presented is refuted by who? You? Is that all?
I find it friggin hilarious that you think just because you disagree with something means it's refuted.
You remined me of friends that believed a car could run off water and every time I would show something to the contrary they would always refer back to a Stanley Meyer video.
Yes I refuted you. To any rational person who understands the concept, once is enough.
What I like has nothing to do with it.
Did you ever refute your water fuel friends, or did you just dismiss them like you’re trying to do here?
Yes, I showed them evidence to the contrary which they dismissed, claiming I’m wrong and it’s an indisputable fact. Which they based on a couple of videos from one guy. I was wrong simply because I disagreed with them. Nothing I presented changed their minds because they always referred back the original video.
Sound familiar?
The fact that electrolysis at that size could not produce enough hydrogen to move a 2000 lb vehicle didn’t matter. They believed the videos, everything else was refuted in their mind because they strongly believed in a video.
I haven’t simply dismissed your claims, I’ve refuted them.
You can choose to accept my proof or prove with correctly applied logic of your own that I’ve made an error. Those are the only two rational options available to you.
Simply dismissing it as circular isn’t rational
Misek, you refuted nothing.
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/israel-hamas-misinformation-fueled-ai-images-1234863586/
https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-does-video-show-israel-helicopter-shoot-festival-goers-1842754
Btw, my point was that you will only accept that which conforms with you believe, everything else is to be dismissed.
I’ve already refuted both those links with logic and you ran away from the discourse like a pussy.
What are you reposting them for, misinformation value? Rhetoric value?
You have no self respect.
Description and link.
“Two bullshit links that don’t refute the information presented in the video.
In the first, your “fact check” was done by, who else, the IDF! Fact checking by the perpetrators of the genocide who also provide zero proof to support their claims.
The second, simply rambles on about AI fakes, and does nothing to refute the video and testimony.
You obviously want to refute the video but can’t. Try harder.”
https://reason.com/2024/04/22/democrats-and-republicans-unite-to-give-weapons-manufacturers-59-billion/?comments=true#comment-10534332
""I’ve already refuted both those links with logic and you ran away from the discourse like a pussy.'"
No you didn't. You simply dismissed them.
""“Two bullshit links that don’t refute the information presented in the video.""
Actually one does. But you just dismissed it.
Yeah, name calling really is the best you have.
I used correctly applied logic to refute you every time. I didn’t dismiss anything. The proof is apparent.
You are simply dismissing the logic that refutes you.
At this point, the problem is clearly yours and I simply demonstrate it and am pleased with the optics for those witnesses who do understand logic.
"" I simply demonstrate it and am pleased with the optics for those witnesses who do understand logic."'
I think most people have you on mute. Your logic is that good.
Those people who you use to bolster your ad hominem rhetoric have simply “pushed the bigotry button”.
They DON’T EVEN SEE counter arguments to consider. Automatic dismissal.
You need to make a choice.
Are you going to rationally recognize correctly applied logic and science as truth?
Or are you going to keep dismissing it like a bigot?
If you choose the second, you too should just “push the bigotry button” and stop wasting my time and yours.
""Are you going to rationally recognize correctly applied logic and science as truth?""
Yes. but you are providing a circular argument. As much as you keep talking about applying logic. You don't seem to be doing so yourself
Please provide a non-circular refutation and maybe I'll take you seriously.
You still haven’t proven your claim that I’ve made any circular argument.
Prove it yourself right here and now with your own research or be recognized that you can’t.
Put your credibility where your mouth is.
You still haven’t proven your claim that I’ve made any circular argument.
You are a spectacularly stupid man.
If that’s what you truly believe it must be unbearable knowing that you can’t refute anything I say.
Unless you don’t understand why it should be. Hahaha
""You are simply dismissing the logic that refutes you.""
Wrong. I understand that circular arguments do not refute anything.
The fact that an argument is irrefutable makes it a good one, not a circular one.
The fact that you don’t recognize and accept this basic premise of logic is becoming tiresome.
No one who understands logic would have made that post.
Please research the definition of circular arguments. You seem not to be familar with the term.
""The fact that an argument is irrefutable makes it a good one, ""
Nor do you understand science.
You haven’t proven your claim that I’ve made any circular argument.
Prove it yourself right here and now with your own research or be recognized that you can’t.
Put your credibility where your mouth is.
Keep going, Misek! If there is anyone who isn't convinced you're a retard, you'll have them convinced soon.
How does it make you feel to be unable to refute a retard?
The fact that you think that that is what is happening is just precious.
Unless you can describe and link to anywhere you have ever refuted anything that I’ve said, and the fact that you’ve also stated that you think I’m a retard, that is exactly what is happening.
Entertaining maybe, precious, not by a long shot because I already know that you can’t.
Once again when faced with being clearly refuted with correctly applied logic you run away from the discourse like the anonymous coward you are.
“You still haven’t proven your claim that I’ve made any circular argument.
Prove it yourself right here and now with your own research or be recognized that you can’t.
Put your credibility where your mouth is.“
You have no credibility.
Bullshit again ass usual! Much (if not MOST) of political fighting is about what is DESIRED and has NOTHING to do with what is “true”!
A HUGE percentage of political fighting is directed at, “Yes, we are both a tribe-nation and collections of individuals. But what’s the best split?” That much seems clearly factual. I personally think that we should regard ourselves as 85% collections of individuals, and 15% a tribe-nation. Of our tribe-nation nature (spending for the public good), 10% of that spending (Splitting the 15% of spending) should be VOLUNTARY (including insurance, which can be regarded as “voluntary, contractual socialism”), and 5% should be tribalistic-nationalistic Government Almighty spending… So my figures are 85-10-5% then… (5% would need to grow in seriously needed wars and in large disasters).
Someone else gets up and say, “No, it should be 50-10-40%, per your manner of slicing”! And then of course, if we tend to be assholes, we will fight about it!
Now WHO, above, is “lying”? How can one (unless one is a fascist idiot) even PRETEND to say that these numbers can be precisely set, “factually”, without “lying”?
Some years ago, this comment section was a place of lively discussion and debate.
Now it is the realm of unhinged trolls and those who choose to waste their time arguing with them.
To no discernible benefit to anyone.
So long. Done.
ALL SIDES should get equal coverage!!!
Facts like "flat-Earth theory", humans never landed on the moon, and vaccines don't work (because of the micro-chips placed there by the Lizard People), ALL need covered! Because I said so!
And FORE-MOIST of all, the Story of the Stolen Erections MUST be covered!
Under the Trump-dump sail
Over the reefs of monkeyshines
Under the skies of stolen erections
North, north west, the sperms of Spermy Daniels
Under the Arctic lies
Over the seas of slutience
Hauling on frozen dopes
For all my days spermaining
But would Spermy Daniels be true?
All colors bleed to twat-red
Asleep on the ocean's bed
Drifting on empty sperms
For all my days remaining
But would sluts be true?
Why, sluts, why should I?
Why should I cry for you?
Dark angels follow my germs
Over a godless sea of sperms
Mountains of endless falling,
For all my days remaining,
What would be true?
Sometimes I see your face,
The stars seem to lose their place
Why must I think of you, Spermy Daniels?
Why must I?
Why should I?
Why should I cry for you?
Why would you want me to?
And what would it mean to say,
That, 'I spermed you in my fashion'?
What would be true?
Why should I?
Why should I cry for you?
As always, the problem is...who gets to decide what information is false?
The Ministry of Truth and Ministry of Hurt Baby Feelings are duking shit out, over exactly this question! TRUST in them, just TRUST in them!
Jungle Book Trust in Me, Kaa = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJHPfpOnDzg
Facts are judged by the politics of the source. If the person supports your team then the information is true. If the person supports the other team then everything they say is a lie. It's really that simple.
Thank you for once again explaining your own method of reasoning.
Sadly, Sarc is explaining a lot people's method these days.
For example, how many people still believe the Hunter laptop was Russian disinformation? Team D supports it. Team R saying it's true is considered a lie by Team D, because Team R said it.
Team R also mentioned the lab leak theory. Automatically considered a lie by Team D simply because Team R said it.
Good thing team R never reflexively opposes whatever team D says. (that's sarcasm by the way)
The Evil (D) Party lies, hence disbelief of lying evil pols is job #1.
California’s (D) uniparty governance is a prime example, in which evil Democrats have attempted to reintroduce government racial discrimination by changing the state constitution, and managed to convince its retarded population that exporting power-production pollution to adjacent states, or exporting the manufacturing they need to slave-labor supporting counties, is both the ethical and an ecologically-sound solution to the externalities of the evil Democrat’s hegemony.
""Facts are judged by the politics of the source.""
Anti-science.
""As always, the problem is…who gets to decide what information is false?""
In a free world, you do. You may be right, you may be wrong. We can freely have a debate. Imperfect? Yes.
In a fascist world, the government does, and you are not allowed to speak otherwise, else some sort of re-education is required.
We can live in an imperfect free world, or a fascist world.
“We can live in an imperfect free world, or a fascist world.”
Amen, TrickyVictor!!! May victory be yours and mine, and also belong to other sensible people, who OVERWHELMINGLY vote for the “imperfect free world”! Hands down, all around!
(Ass-hass been said, the perfect is the enemy of the good! So I will PASS GAS on the so-called "Perfect"! I fart disrespectfully in that general direction!)
favoring content controls even if they restrict free expression
You realize freedom of (dis)association is a form of content control, right?
Do you really want to hand the job of limiting press freedom and suppressing false information to apparatchiks with a history of lying and muzzling critics as go-to policy choices?
LOL.
"Half the country says suppressing “false information” is more important than press freedom."
In 2020:
Democrats 51.3%
Republicans 46.9%
Only one of those is "half the country".
If you would have bothered to read the article, you would have noticed this:
"Since the 1970s, trust in government has been consistently higher among members of the party that controls the White House than among the opposition party," notes Pew.
In 2020, Der TrumpfenFarter-Fuhrer was our Dear Leader! (And Government Almighty and media are somewhat married at the hip, in case you've not noticed, and anti-free-speech shitheads on BOTH SIDES want to make shit worse!) Hello?!?!
In THIS report
Actual Question "press freedom should always be protected"
57% of Republicans say this, compared with 38% of Democrats
I'm not sure where Tuccille makes up the BS of...
"there are no major differences by political party."
They are both pretty damn close.
Just as when an airliner crashes and the organizations descend on the scene to forensically determine what went wrong and what needs to be done to prevent similar occurances we need similar responses to failures in education like the one discussed in the article.
If people have contradictory views on free speech it is because of muddled thinkging, lazy thinking or not understanding the topic at hand - a failure of education to train thinking as opposed to regurgitation.
When failures like this present we should see what is wrong with how we teach the important foundational principles of the US Constitution and correct for it. To maintain the republic that the constitution underpins citizens should be taught the principles behind the document and in the document.
I agree with what you say, but, might this job be a bit harder than we might think, at a casual glance?
Students at home have spent countless hours listening to parents, and to their friends, which vastly outnumber the hours spent at school. "Tribe R" drinks in "Tribe R" beliefs and attitudes with their mother's milk, and ditto for "Tribe D". It is highly likely to be sociobiologically programmed! (Via psychological, behavioral genetics.) "My tribe good, your tribe bad".
For more details on this, you could start here:
The intelligent, well-informed, and benevolent members of tribes have ALWAYS been feared and resented by those who are made to look relatively worse (often FAR worse), as compared to the advanced ones. Especially when the advanced ones denigrate tribalism. The advanced ones DARE to openly mock “MY Tribe’s lies leading to violence against your tribe GOOD! Your tribe’s lies leading to violence against MY Tribe BAD! VERY bad!” And then that’s when the Jesus-killers, Mahatma Gandhi-killers, Martin Luther King Jr.-killers, etc., unsheath their long knives!
“Do-gooder derogation” (look it up) is a socio-biologically programmed instinct. SOME of us are ethically advanced enough to overcome it, using benevolence and free will! For details, see http://www.churchofsqrls.com/Do_Gooders_Bad/ and http://www.churchofsqrls.com/Jesus_Validated/ .
Tribalism sucks and it will not die any time soon!
Shorter and sweeter, tribalism is a tremendous obstacle here! Tribes and tribalists often think and act as follows, even if they won't say shit outright: "My Tribe and I need political power and free speech, to defeat that them thar EVIL tribe over there! And ya gotta break some eggs to make an omelette! Power for ME and MINE first; THEN maybe we can talk about some 'nice things' like free speech for everyone! Well, at least, for everyone that OBEYS the Common Good!"
My tribe tells the truth and the other tribe tells lies.
I'll bet neither tribe actually discusses issues in the context of the constitution.... not in any depth or accuracy at least.
The latest weaponization of the feds hearings would prove you wrong big time.
While you’re both correct you fail to tell us which party is literally founded on the [WE] tribe gets to RULE (i.e. ‘democracy’) tribe ideology and which party is actually passed on a higher principle (US Constitution).
It’s amazing how correct you both get when you think you’re trashing the other team but are really just self-projecting.
I wasn't trashing either team, so the only one projecting here is you.
So the party literally founded on the [WE] tribe gets to RULE ideology is?????
English. Do you speak it?
Yeah; play dumb. That works too. 🙂
Squirrely's CAPS at least make sense. Yours do not.
As with most surveys, how the questions were actually worded probably matters a lot.
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No, it's just an example of The Tyranny Of Testing. Muddled...lazy...not understanding — all properties not of the people answering the polls, but of the people taking them. Zeb is right: It's about the wording of the questions; plus, it's also influenced by what else is on people's minds at a given instant. If you ask what they think about freedom of the press an hour after they've read a report they know to be BS, that's going to distort their thinking.
You're not going to get a useful sense of people's attitudes toward communication, truth, etc. by glibly asking these questions. Well, maybe useful to someone "proving" the will of the people is X, Y, or Z, but not useful for seeing the actual climate of opinion.
glib answers betray little though put into the subject.
I would say most dont give thought to constitutional issues and only regurgitate the media pablum on various issues so as not having to actually THINK.
they are extemporizing to not look stupid to the questioner (which usually, self-defeatingly, makes them look stupid)
In the end they dont know what they are talking about (giving opinions about) but their opinions are being used by the pollsters to shape the analysis of the debate for the side they favor.
Most people just don't think about rights in the same way that libertarians do. I'm really not surprised that a lot of people think freedom of speech is important, but...
Still, I think the wording of questions is very important. You might get very different answers to "do you think false information should be stopped from publication?" and "should there be civil or criminal penalties for publishing inaccurate news stories?" When questions aren't very specific, you never know what people are thinking when they answer them.
""what is wrong with how we teach the important foundational principles of the US Constitution and correct for it. ""
I don't think they teach that anymore.
The anti-racists crowd believe the US Constitution is part of white supremacy and is inherently racists.
They make 100M excuses to conquer the USA for their [Na]tional So[zi]alist utopian empire. It's amazing they aren't all in jail on treason charges.
If people have contradictory views on free speech it is because of muddled thinkging, lazy thinking or not understanding the topic at hand – a failure of education to train thinking as opposed to regurgitation.
LOL. Unless everyone agrees as to what, exactly, constitutes free speech; you don't have free speech.
Free speech was never ambiguous until the Progressive takeover of academia.
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No, it’s not just that. It’s that people have mental reservations about any concept you’d ask them about. Conceptual questions aren’t really fair, they’re just opportunities to “gotcha” answerers.
Unless you've actually thought about the things you're talking about.
If people bothered to be properly informed and humble enough to accept new information or error the 'gotcha' wouldnt be an issue in giving responses.
Yeah, but have you ever met people? I don't think that's going to happen.
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What's your evidence that the US is any more bitterly divided than most of the world? Or more bitterly divided than it's been over most of its own history?
"Fifty percent of Americans feel most national news organizations intend to mislead, misinform or persuade the public,"
The other 50 should have their voting rights rescinded immediately.
All you'd be left with is Fox News viewers and Tucker Carlson fans.
And what does that tell you?
That people like to be misled. Or are you going to claim that Tucker Carlson tells the truth.
Did you really just flip the "freedom of the press" assurance into being misled.
Misleading is one of the biggest substances of your comments.
Self-projection 101.
Pretty funny coming from a guy who is willfully ignorant of economics because he thinks the entire science is leftist, and because he wants to be misled by politicians and pundits who take advantage of that ignorance.
Yes, yes; I got your point the first time through.
"freedom of the press" = 'misled' and = 'ignorance' added on this comment.
And if "freedom of the press" existed there would only be Fox News and Tucker Carlson.
I have no idea of what you are talking about. Is English your first language?
And somehow I'm just repeating your own words.
You are quite the contradiction alright.
If you were repeating what I said then it would have made sense.
“If you were repeating what I said then it would have made sense.”
Many understood your point: “do not pay attention to who pulls levers in gov, and what corporate entities volunteer to use their products to make sure ‘inappropriate’ information is appropriately suppressed.”
It’s just _private people_ lending a helping hand with those poor, benighted GSA employees, in order to achieve the control they ought to have, apparently.
A democrat like you is always obsessed with Fox and Tucker.
"Congress shall make no law...abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press".
One should be reasonably confident that, using the amendment process in the Constitution, there is absolutely no way the First Amendment gets repealed.
Now, as to other processes........? Remove the soap box, the jury box, and the ballot box, and the only method left to defend individual rights is going to be the cartridge box.
""no way the First Amendment gets repealed.""
You don't have to repeal it to regulate it. (See 2nd Amendment).
That's the problem with the treatment of the 2A. Once accepted, which it has (See Scalia in Heller), then it paves the way to treat other items in the Bill of Rights the same way.
thats the whole problem of a ‘living constitution’ approach
soon it will be found in a penumbra somewhere that its every mans right to be a woman
FRANCIS: Why are you always on about women, Stan?
STAN: I want to be one.
REG: What?
STAN: I want to be a woman. From now on, I want you all to call me ‘Loretta’.
REG: What?!
LORETTA: It’s my right as a man.
JUDITH: Well, why do you want to be Loretta, Stan?
LORETTA: I want to have babies.
REG: You want to have babies?!
LORETTA: It’s every man’s right to have babies if he wants them.
REG: But… you can’t have babies.
LORETTA: Don’t you oppress me.
REG: I’m not oppressing you, Stan. You haven’t got a womb! Where’s the foetus going to gestate?! You going to keep it in a box?!
LORETTA: crying
JUDITH: Here! I– I’ve got an idea. Suppose you agree that he can’t actually have babies, not having a womb, which is nobody’s fault, not even the Romans’, but that he can have the right to have babies.
FRANCIS: Good idea, Judith. We shall fight the oppressors for your right to have babies, brother. Sister. Sorry.
an obvious reference – didnt even need to add it I suppose, I just like it too much
The ultimate end of every living constitution is a Monty Python sketch. Just look at Canada!
Everyone is in favour of some form of living constitution - they just disagree over which parts should be living and which not.
No, everyone is not in favor of some form of living constitution. A few people? Some people? Many people? Perhaps. But everyone? That's an awfully big weasel word.
Let the constitution 'live' through the amendment process like it was disigned to, not through judicial activism and\or redifining words.
Retard.
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Simple: By tricky questions. This is a great example of opinion polling abuse. This is not a legitimate attempt to learn anything, but rather an exercise in "proving that People Are Funny".
"Republicans distrust media, but they also see high-profile efforts by government agencies to suppress "misinformation" as highly partisan and weaponized against them."
Probably because they have functioning eyes and ears.
Why can't we have a citizen's oath? (I know, not very libertarian)
If people can't agree to respect fundamental principles, say Free Minds and Free Markets, then perhaps they should move on.
"should move on"
...but your grass is greener on this side of the fence.
It's literally always comes down to an ideological battle of taking/stealing someone else's grass versus making and maintaining one's own. 'Guns' (gov-guns) are either used to ensure Individual Liberty and Justice for all or they are being used to commit criminal acts.
No, I would rather reserve guns to use on people who can't STFU and actively try to force me into their social paradigm.
That would definitely be 'guns' being used to ensure Individual Liberty.
> Half the country says suppressing “false information” is more important than press freedom.
Impossible to suppress it. The AI revolution is upon us and society is not ready for it. The technology now exists, and will be seamless within five to ten years, for endless deep fakes that will be indistinguishable from the truth. We will no longer be able to trust any photo, video, or audio we see on social media, or even mainstream media.
There's no way to stop it. Congressional hearings won't stop it. Legislation won't stop it. Hand wringing won't stop it. Hell, not even a actual concerted effort by technology companies can stop it. Because all it takes is for one bad actor with a PC to pump out the fakery. That bad actor could be China, or Russia, or a populist candidate, or a domestic political activist, etc. You can't ban the software, it's just not feasible. All you can do it ban legitimate companies from selling it legitimately. Holy shit, we've had bans on murder for ten thousand fucking years, and we still have murder, good luck trying to ban lying.
Phishing and spam are already illegal. Guess what? People get scammed and hoodwinked by phishing and spam every day. Legislation and hand wringing won't stop bad actors using AI for their nefarious purposes.
Okay, that's depressing. And I really am worried about it. But there is things we can do. First, we gotta learn NOT to trust anything we see on social media. Or streaming on a subscription service. We've had mainstream media run fake stories in the past, as far back as forever (remember the exploding pickup trucks?), so don't trust mainstream media either. TAKE EVERYTHING WITH A HELPING DOSE OF SALT. Next, learn how to discern the truth. And that means to be doubly suspicious when something conveniently fits your world view.
Learn the dozen basic logical fallacies, and be on the lookout for them. Do not trust anything you see coming at you online without independent verification. Your fellow ideologues in Team are actually more likely to be feeding you their own patented brand of bullshit. Really. Keep your feet on the grass and your head out o the clouds. The same scams that steal millions out of elderly bank accounts operate on basic human nature that wants to trust people.
It will take time for society to adjust to this, but eventually we will learn to how to deal with a world full of lies that are indistinguishable from the truth. But there will be a shit ton of chaos along the way.
Problem is that the veracity of information is based upon the politics of the source. As a result the “false information” being suppressed would change based upon the party in the White House (this assumes that the power would be delegated to an alphabet agency subject to executive orders). President Trump might prosecute anyone who says the 2020 wasn’t stolen or that climate change is real, then the next Democratic president might prosecute the inverse. Truth would depend upon the party in power.
""There’s no way to stop it. "'
The government does not want to stop it, they want to control it.
Right? There is plenty of evidence at hand that truth in not the objective.
So glad that sort of attitude is never observed in the hard sciences such as geology, chemistry or climatology.
/sarc
If misinformation were banned, we'd never hear from leftists again. So much of what they know simply isn't true.
Our passion for Freedom of Speech - Press goes back to GB's attempts to censor the colonial press. Peter Zenger "John Peter Zenger (October 26, 1697 – July 28, 1746) was a German printer and journalist in New York City. Zenger printed The New York Weekly Journal.[1] He was accused of libel in 1734 by William Cosby, the royal governor of New York, but the jury acquitted Zenger, who became a symbol for freedom of the press.[2]" Wiki
As set forth in the Bills of Rights, the government may not infringe on free speech; private people and institutions are free to do so. The underlying philosophy was that the government could not suppress opinions or facts which it disliked. Zenger was not publishing objectively defamatory falsehoods. "Zenger's lawyers, Andrew Hamilton and William Smith, Sr., successfully argued that truth is a defense against charges of libel." Wiki
Free Speech is not an absolute. The famous exception of "Yelling fire in crowded theater" assumes there was no fire. " Brandenburg v. Ohio in 1969, ... limited the scope of banned speech to that which would be directed to and likely to incite imminent lawless action (e.g. an immediate riot)."
We have no remedy for purposeful false speech designed to mislead the public about extremely important matters. Some say that counter-speech of truth is the remedy, but we now realize that people cling to clearly false information with extreme passion to the extent that they will murder others. In fact. True Believers show their loyalty to a religion or other cause by their rejection facts in favor of the Faith.
Presently, we are witnessing thousands of students across the nation whom has been Gaslit with outrageous lies about our funding fathers because their skin hue was light. Under the sponsorship of the government's imposed wokeism DEI, American colleges have Gaslit students to believe that the world is divided between Oppressors and Oppressed. Whites and Jews are Oppressors, justifying the extermination of Jews. None of the idiots screaming Free Palestine realize that there are only two surviving indigenous peoples in Israel: Bedouins and Jews. Jews first arrived Israel including West Bank and Gaza for 4,100 years. Mohammad was not born until 2,600 years later (570 C.E - 632 C.E.) and he never stepped foot in Israel, but he had a dream about being in Jerusalem.
After our sojourn in Egypt ended about 3,500 years ago, our numbers greatly increased and David made Jerusalem his capital in 1000 B.C.
Present day America has no answer for powerful interests on both the right and then left spreading lethal falsehoods in order to incite others to murder their political rivals. Maybe AI can learn to separate fact from fiction, or it may be the master at publishing lethal falsehoods on behalf of the power mongers.
Why the divide? Republicans distrust media, but they also see high-profile efforts by government agencies to suppress "misinformation" as highly partisan and weaponized against them.
And they are 100% correct about this, of course. This has always been true but as leftists have gained more power they have chosen to wield this power more and more openly, famously resulting in Ezra Klein's JournoList which lobbied writers to be more openly partisan and their editors to accept or even push for this. It's great to watch this effort which made Klein rich ultimately destroy the propaganda machine and drain the rewards for driving hatred.
Media credibility is completely shot, and the more in the tank for left extremists they become the better it is for normals.
The instant you accept ANYONE having the ability to determine what information is false, and limit it, you OBLITERATE free speech.