Government Data Refute the Notion That Overprescribing Caused the 'Opioid Crisis'
The CDC’s numbers show that pain treatment is not responsible for escalating drug-related deaths.

The Federal Trade Commission, which thinks "lack of competition and contracting practices…may be contributing to drug shortages," is soliciting public comments on that subject. But when it comes to opioid pain relievers, the problem is not a lack of competition between manufacturers, wholesalers, or distributors. Shortages of these safe and effective analgesics are instead a result of tightened production quotas imposed by the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA), along with a recently revealed injunction against pharmacies that was part of the National Opioids Settlement.
That $26 billion settlement resolved myriad government-backed lawsuits alleging that reckless distribution of these medications produced the ongoing "opioid crisis" of escalating drug-related deaths. The DEA's steadily stricter production limits are based on the same premise. But that premise is fundamentally mistaken.
It may not be going too far to suggest that much of U.S. public health policy regarding medical treatment of people in pain is fraudulent. The authors of the opioid prescribing guidelines that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) published in 2016 and 2022, for example, knew quite well that their recommendations, which resulted in widespread undertreatment and patient abandonment, did not have a sound scientific basis.
Contrary to what Tom Frieden, then the CDC's director, said in a press release introducing the 2016 opioid guidelines, prescription practices did not create the opioid crisis and are not sustaining it now. That much is clear from data published by the CDC itself.
In 2018, a group of highly reputable data analysts examined about 600,000 accidental death reports spanning nearly four decades, from 1978 through 2016. They published their results in the prestigious journal Science. These charts are extracted from that study:

Although these charts might seem complicated, the most important features stand out strongly. Accidental deaths involving drugs of all kinds rose steadily and exponentially for 38 years. That period began long before the increase in opioid prescribing that is widely blamed for this trend, and it includes the seven years from 2010 through 2016, when opioid prescriptions fell by 55 percent.
The breakdown of drug-related deaths varies from year to year. But deaths involving prescription opioids—the blue line in the chart on the left, one of eight overlapping categories—have never accounted for more than 22 percent of the total.
The rise in accidental deaths since 2010 is dominated by street drugs—in particular, illegally produced fentanyl, which shows up in counterfeit pain pills as well as heroin, cocaine, and methamphetamine. Legal prescriptions are lost in the noise of illicit drugs, which are often combined with alcohol. While most drug-related deaths involve multiple substances, deaths among patients who take opioids by prescription for pain relief almost never do.
The DEA has known about these data at least as far back as 2019. The agency published these charts that year as part of a course for doctors renewing their licenses to prescribe controlled substances. But this knowledge has not stopped the DEA from continuing its misguided crusade against medical providers who prescribe opioids for severe pain.
Another chart offers further insight into the sources of the "opioid epidemic." The original idea for this comparison, which is based on the CDC's mortality data and prescribing rate maps, is credited to business analyst John Alan Tucker, who published charts like this one on Twitter.

The horizontal axis shows the number of opioid prescriptions per 100 residents in each of the 50 states. The vertical axis shows the number of deaths per 100,000 residents involving either methadone (a prescription drug used in addiction treatment and sometimes for pain relief) or the "synthetic and semi-synthetic" opioids, such as hydrocodone and oxycodone, that doctors prescribe for pain.
The average number of opioid prescriptions per 100 people was about 43 in 2020. The number of death reports involving prescribed opioids was about 5.5 per 100,000. The annual risk of accidental death involving a prescribed opioid (typically along with other causes) therefore is about 1.2 per 10,000 prescriptions, or 0.012 percent. By comparison, yearly mortality from all causes among Americans 18 or older is a bit more than 100 deaths per 10,000, or 1 percent.
In other words, the risk of dying from any cause is 80 times higher than the risk of dying from an overdose involving a prescribed opioid. Most patients suffering in agony would gladly accept a one-in-10,000 annual risk of overdose in exchange for a return to their former quality of life. Several other widely accepted medical treatments have higher mortality risks.
If doctors prescribing opioids for their patients were a major driver of opioid addiction or deaths, we should see more deaths in states where prescribing rates are highest. If there were a strong cause-and-effect relationship, the data points in the chart above should be closely clumped around a line that rises from left to right. But we see neither of these patterns.
Instead, we get a splatter pattern that looks like a shotgun blast against a barn door, with no trend line. Charts for other years show the same character.
In other words, there is no consistent relationship between prescriptions and the risk of opioid overdose deaths. Other research shows that the most important risk factor is a history of severe mental health problems such as clinical depression, bipolar disorder, and suicide attempts.
The root of the opioid crisis is not pain treatment. It is instead a crisis of hopelessness driven by the conditions in which people live, including social isolation, economic distress, and a lack of meaningful prospects for a better future. Reducing the availability of pain-relieving medications or prosecuting doctors for "overprescribing" does nothing to address those problems. Yet millions of pain patients have been force-tapered to ineffective dose levels, and thousands of them are dying of medical collapse or suicide, while the DEA continues to persecute their doctors for trying to help them. It is time to evict the DEA from doctors' examination rooms.
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"Ongoing crisis." Senor, I don't think that word "crisis" you keep using means what you think it means ...
In any event, the opiate ‘crisis’ was infinitely less awful than the ensuing heroin ‘crisi’ and the current fentanyl ‘crisis’.
CDC wrong again!
And us trying to find somewhere to cut federal expenditures - - - - - - - - - -
“The average number of opioid prescriptions per 100 people was about 43 in 2020.”
This seems like a typo to me. So, on average, across all 50 states, 43% of the population is prescribed to opioids? Probably just my ignorance of the issue, but that seems really high.
I thought the same. Looked at the CDCs notes:
For the calculation of dispensing rates, numerators are the projected total number of prescriptions dispensed annually at the state, county, or national level.
So, I had one friend on opioid pain management. Chronic, for the decade before he died. He got short prescriptions, I can't remember if it was 30 or 60 day. Maybe 90 day. I don't know if the CDC data are saying that his six 60 day prescriptions each count, or if he was one a year, but I'm guessing that each prescription is counted.
So for chronic sufferers divide by 6 or 12, and the rest are for the week after people get their wisdom teeth out or the month after surgery type prescriptions.
Anyone more versed who can chime in here?
That makes a lot of sense. Thanks for looking into it. I was thinking that maybe they count like week long prescriptions people receive for minor surgeries as well (e.g., wisdom teeth), which it seems they do.
It's the CDC. They roll a D20 and call it close enough.
Then go drink up the $10,000,000 grant.
I was on Methadone for chronic pain for a couple years. They would fill 30 days at a time, were very specific about the date I could hand carry in the next months prescription as there were zero refills and I got piss tested three or four times a year. I couldn't get a 60 day or 90 day scripts because the Walmart pharmacy or maybe the Medicare people wouldn't accept one. It may have even been federal law to limit to 30 day scripts with no refill.
After the Opioid Epidemic was declared the pain management people stopped giving methadone prescriptions. Everything else wasn't good for my failing kidneys. So I had to learn to cope.
Yep, there are millions such stories. Too much greedy, grimes government.
More like too many gawd fearin' folk who think taking any medications is a sign of weakness as they believe their magic sky fairy wouldn't "give" a burden you cannot bear. Which is horse shit, but they vote.
What?
They count even the mildest prescriptions. Almost every time I've gone to the dentist, I've been given a prescription for Tylenol with Codeine for pain. The same thing for both of my leg injuries. Those prescriptions are in these figures.
I thought the same, but cdc says there were 143,000,000 opioid prescriptions filled...
Doesn't seem to support his narrative. If we pretend every one of those is for chronic year-round use then that number is divided by the rx duration. Is that 90, 30, or even 7 days? That would put us anywhere from .8-10% of the population as perpetual users. I don't know how many of those are 1 time short-term fills, but those would increase the number of people getting prescriptions and being exposed to some level of addiction risk.
The whole argument here is focused on narrow sets of overdose deaths and fails to consider addiction rates, supplanting drugs, better availability of lifesaving treatment, and numerous other externalities like crime. Fuck the CDC, but this narrative is no more honest
Simple arithmetic shows CDC was counting each prescription. 143 million prescriptions / 330 million population = 0.43. That's 43 per hundred, but not 43% of the population, because someone getting a monthly prescription will be counted 12 times.
When you get dental work done and they give you a prescription for pain, that's typically Vicodin. That's an opioid. Technically. Think about how many people get dental work done.
When you get even laproscopic surgery you get a script for some variety of fuckitall, it's an opioid. Almost all good pain killers are some form of opioid. Since it works so good why develop a synthetic to do the job?
They're being a lot more stingy with the vicodin for dental work these days.
Because the DEA is cracking down on pharmacies and prescribers. They get scared and cut you down to over the counter pain meds.
In 2020, the U.S. health care system dispensed 6.3 billion prescriptions. The number of opioid prescriptions is estimated at 125 million - about 1.9%. See http://www.perplexity.ai.
Geez, you were so close to finally publishing something other than your usual mindless bleats, right up until the final paragraph -- "crisis of hopelessness," my left rear foot. The opoid crisis has the same roots as the baby killing crisis, and that's people who can't keep parts of their anatomy closed. No pill ever jumped down somebody's throat by itself.
No the Opioid "Crisis" is caused by the government, full stop. Millions upon millions of people used opioids regularly without incident up through 2010. And the Obama Administration, freshly finished with ACA decided they really needed to control the ballooning costs of Opioids. And so they cracked down on doctors and pushed people into the streets.
Some individual taking too many pain pills, administered by their doctor: Not a Crisis.
Some individual going to the streets to get their pain pills mixed with drano and catnip: A crisis.
This is 100% on the government.
You have a point. You left out one thing. During long term pain management the patient builds up a tolerance to their pain killers. The Doctor has to keep increasing the dosage in order to get the same results.
I went through this with my Mother. I had to take her to see a Doctor for pain management. We had to account for every one of her pain pills. The first thing that we did was to count out the number of remaining pills. Part of the agreement was that if the count wasn't right for a good reason, she would be dropped as a patient.
Another thing is that care isn't managed by one doctor. My Mother was seeing her PCP and being treated for one problem and at the same time she was seeing an Orthopedic for another problem. Both doctors proscribed pain medication, she followed their instructions. There was no coordination. Now the Pharmacies are stepping in on that.
Yeah, sure. That's the problem.
The crisis in hopelessness is quite real. US rural and inner city communities have been hollowed out by 50+ years of real wage stagnation, increasing wealth inequality and automation or export of formerly manual labor jobs held by people with only a high school education. Hopelessness and despair have become a significant public health crisis in the US, with wide-ranging negative impacts on mental health, longevity, workforce participation, and social cohesion. Addressing this crisis will require a multifaceted approach targeting both individual and societal factors
Thank you, professor. Now we know 2 human problems are the result of humans doing human things.
Now, how do we use this information to work toward fixing these problems? Should we probe deeper into this human behavior, and look for causes and motivations or should we just seal up open parts of anatomy.
Brought to you by the same exact mob that gave us masking, social distancing, school closure and vaccines.
This is going to be one of those obviously false things that the government admits 40 years later they wrong on, isn't it?
Do they eventually do that? I've never heard them admit to any wrongdoing. Did I miss something?
Aside from slavery and Jim Crow laws and laws against gay sex, I can't recall much.
Yeah. That's about all I recall them admiring fault on.
The root of the opioid crisis is not pain treatment.
No, its root is in addiction.
If you can only function on a daily basis under the influence of pain meds, you should probably be contained to a hospital (or sanitarium) where pain medication specialists can monitor your daily dosages/usage and wean you off in proportion to your improving healing/health. And if you're not willing to consent to that, so be it - but don't expect to be prescribed opioids to self-medicate with. You can make do with OTC pain meds.
Bulllshit.
Had a friend who suffered a rather odd disease. Tumors grew from nerve endings. Had a substantial surgery to remove some of said tumors. It saved him from life in a wheelchair, but it also meant chronic pain.
He held a job, had girlfriends, lived life for 15 good years all while on low doses of pain medication. Was good to see his doctor every 3 or 6 months until the law changed and he had to get a new prescription at much shorter intervals, but even then he managed his pain and medications properly. So did many friends he made through a support group his doctor recommended.
You lack imagination.
You describe the exception and not the rule.
No, I don't.
I reiterate, you lack imagination. And, specifically, you lack any actual grounding and knowledge in chronic pain relief.
Or you're just being deliberately obtuse.
Point is, there are literally millions of people who would be punished under your proposal, locked in a sanitarium, their freedom removed when they are perfectly capable of good, productive, independent lives. Even if they are the exception, that's still remarkably short sighted. Or maybe just evil.
when they are perfectly capable of good, productive, independent lives.
So long as they have their soma, right? Absent that, they're NOT capable of good, productive, and independent lives, correct?
Yeah, I was right. It's just being deliberately obtuse.
You didn't answer the question.
You describe the exception and not the rule. = why government sucks and people should be responsible for themselves.
Conservatives love big government when it's going after sinners.
"If you can only function on a daily basis under the influence of pain meds, "
Nice false dilemma you've got there.
Also it is a rather stupid take. For decades, the vast majority of people using pain pills habitually were doing so without incident. They went to their doctor every month or two, re-upped their prescription and went on with their lives. I knew several people who did this. They were in their 50s and working in the construction industry. This only became a crisis when the Obama administration declared war on Doctors, leading them to significantly curtail their prescriptions, ultimately chasing people out into the streets for their fix.
People CAN function just fine with pain medication. And it is none of your business that they do so. Making it your (and the government's) business is what caused most of the damage in this country.
You actually had me thinking you had a reasonable argument there, until you got to this part:
ultimately chasing people out into the streets for their fix.
"Their fix." Thank you for putting that fine a point on it.
This is the term I then replaced every time you mentioned "pain pills" or "medication." Yea, I'm sure people DO believe they can function just fine with their fix. I mean, isn't that the spittle-flecked argument of every junkie in withdrawal? "I'll be fine, I'll be fine, I just need a fix. Just gimme a fix."
Do you want a society of people who require "their fix" to get through the day? Exactly what jobs would you like people who require "their fix" performing?
Apparently the people we're talking about CAN'T function just fine without their fix. In which case, the most reasonable position on the subject is supervised dosage under controlled circumstances. Hospital, sanitarium, what have you. This is where drug users belong. It's not that complicated.
You have no idea what you are talking about.
Apparently the people we’re talking about CAN’T function just fine without their fix.
That's the point. They can function with the drugs. Being functional is better than sitting there in pain, or being confined to a hospital or sanitarium because some asshole thinks he knows everything and assumes that all chronic users of drugs are "junkies".
How many jobs do you want someone performing when they're high? Or that they can ONLY adequately perform when they're high?
Surgery?
Dentistry?
Policing?
Jurisprudence?
Piloting an aircraft?
Driving a truck?
Construction?
Education?
Daycare?
Are these really the people you want performing these tasks? And if that's the case, then why would you have any problem with any of them doing it after self-medicating with illicit drugs or alcohol? Does the scrip somehow give it legitimacy, when they reality is that you're still just plain 'ol under the influence?
What I'm advocating isn't unreasonable. If you're in such pain that you literally can't function, check into a sanitarium where your drug intake can be strictly controlled/administered by a pain management doctor until you no longer require it. At which point you're weaned off and can rejoin society as a functional member.
The fact that you don't want this heavily implies that you just want to be able to pop pain pills whenever you want for whatever reason you want. Which, hey - if that's the case, so be it. But then don't hide behind some bogus "it's medicine" argument.
There are quite a few professions you don't list in your carefully crafted list there dickhead.
Data entry would be an excellent job, data processing, telephone based sales, telephone tech support, technical writing, receptionist, secretary, office manager, call center manager. Just to list a few. I worked as a locksmith and electronic security installer while medicating my chronic pain. I was also the IT guy for the company. I took copious notes on everything I did so others could pick up if something bad happened. They had to hire three guys to replace me.
Neat life story.
But it avoids the question. How many jobs do you WANT someone performing when they’re high? Or that they can ONLY adequately perform when they’re high? I didn't ask if certain jobs could be done when you're opiate-dependent, I asked which jobs you wouldn't want a pill popper doing at all.
Now if your argument is that the surgeon and airline pilot should be reassigned to tech support and data processing if they're prescribed opiates - that's... an argument. But the point you're so desperately trying to avoid - because you know darn well it's true - is that gobbling opiates just to get through the day isn't a good thing.
And if it's genuinely necessary - exactly why is it so unreasonable to advocate inpatient care for those who are clearly in need of daily pain management?
You don't get chronic pain. Most people who don't suffer it or aren't trained in helping with it don't get it. But of course that doesn't stop folks like you from being huge pricks who think they know better.
People in chronic pain can function without meds day to day. Some days are better and some worse. A lot depends on what you did the day before. As long as they take care to not push themselves beyond certain limits they are capable of getting things done. Some folks can get a little done, some more, but never as much as a healthy person. Push too hard on Monday and you will spend Tuesday in agony unable to do much. For some they may lose Wednesday as well. That is life without pain meds. That's where I am now. I can't work, I can barely keep up with house work. If I plan a project I have to plan for at least a day of recovery. But hey, I'm not on any meds.
Pain meds allow more functionality. In some people it means living close to a normal life. Working at a job and being a productive person. For others it may mean limited functionality, working part time. That's what Methadone did for me. I could work part time and get stuff done. It didn't kick my ass to where I was useless at home so I could still do chores. I could pursue hobbies and be social.
But people like you decided I needed to suffer with my pain. Why? I can only assume it is because you are truly and deeply evil. You want others to suffer because you think for some reason that is better than using medications to manage pain. So fuck you very much. I hope someday you find yourself suffering from chronic pain and you will know what others suffer through every day. Then you will beg for opiates to help make you functional.
Language.
People in chronic pain can function without meds day to day. ... But hey, I’m not on any meds.
Cool. Thanks for being the example that it can all be done with patience, planning, and no dependency on meds.
Pain meds allow more functionality.
And more addiction.
You want others to suffer because you think for some reason that is better than using medications to manage pain.
No, it's because it's made abundantly clear that more people than not are incapable of self-medicating. Y'know, I knew a guy once. Young guy, late 20s at the time. He got himself tuned up in a... altercation. Not hurt real bad, bruising mostly and a cracked rib, but hurt bad enough in the immediate days following that it apparently warranted a percoset scrip.
In the year that followed, he refilled that scrip a dozen plus times. I saw the pharmacy records. Hundreds of pills. For what, at best, would have resolved after a couple weeks of taking it easy and not aggravating the affected areas.
When he went to court seeking restitution for the injuries caused by the... altercation, the VERY FIRST THING that was pointed out against him was how this guy was apparently gobbling pills like they were M&M's coming out of a candy machine. (Now, in interests of candor, there was also the unproven speculation that he was selling them - but the point remains that the dude had WAY more pills than he EVER needed.)
Assuming he wasn't selling them, it means he was incapable of properly self-medicating. Assuming he was, it means that his claims of "chronic pain" should have been second-guessed more than a couple of times.
Now, are you of enough integrity to admit that guys like that exist, and that there's a problem with that?
I hope someday you find yourself suffering from chronic pain
Kinda just undermined your "truly and deeply evil" bit there, didn't you.
We now know beyond any reasonable contradiction that doctors prescribing to their patients were not and are not now the primary cause of America's opioid crisis. As acknowledged by Dr Nora Volkow (Director of the National Institute on Drug Abuse) addiction in clinically managed patients is quite rare. From work of Oliva et al, we also know that the factors in a patient's medical history that most accurately flag elevated risk of overdose or suicide have nothing to do with prescription opioids. See https://psnet.ahrq.gov/innovation/veterans-health-administration-stratification-tool-opioid-risk-mitigation-storm-shows
Why do you think that a life in pain is better than dependency/additiction? You seem to be starting from the premise that drug dependence is to be avoided at all costs.
I've run into it with cross cultists all the time. They want you high on Jesus.
Because most pain can be overcome by sheer force of will. Or at the very least compartmentalized and ignored.
If you shear a leg off or take a gunshot or have your bones crumpled in a horrific car wreck – sure, that’s pretty extreme. Nobody expects anyone to overcome that. And the pain can, will, and should be managed. But it’ll be actively managed by someone other than you.
Someone who knows what they’re doing.
Who isn’t you.
And that’s perfectly fine and reasonable.
Going back to my first sentence then, I’ll recall a time I had to have a very simple very basic outpatient surgery. The doctor actually asked me – what’s your pain tolerance level? He even put it into metaphor: “Ten is childbirth. Nine is someone who gets lots of tattoos and piercings and doesn’t flinch. Seven is someone who gets into a fender bender, is bruised the next day, but takes a couple aspirin and goes on like normal. Five is stubbing your toe really hard or having your finger smashed in a doorframe. Three is going too hard at the gym yesterday. One is you cry like a child with a hangnail.” The answer dictated the strength of pain medication needed both during AND after the surgery.
Now, I don’t realistically expect everyone to be a ten – but I DO think it’s reasonable that the medical community not feed unlimited self-administered pills to the ones, threes, fives, and even in a lot of cases the sevens.
But, in fairness, maybe that’s an unfair argument since I’m comparing others to myself, and expecting them to – like me – not be weak sissy babies in adult bodies who can’t suck up a little regular discomfort and soldier on in spite of it. I don’t know. Maybe I’m not being fair to the weak sissy babies in adult bodies. You tell me.
Now I know you have no understanding of chronic pain. You think all you need is to suck it up. You think you know what pain is and you think you're a tough guy who can ignore pain.
When I was in my 20s and 30s I was impressed with my own pain tolerance. I had a burst appendix and drove myself to the doctor to find out what the pain was. I had sucked it up for a week at that point and didn't bother with a doctor until I was vomiting water. I was in the ICU for a week after surgery because instead of seeing the doctor earlier I just sucked it up and moved on.
At the time, that was my "10". I was pretty impressed with myself.
These days the burst appendix is a three or four. I had epididimitis once after that. An infected testicle. That drove the appendix down to an 8. That was my new 10. Then my chronic pain started. Epiditimitus went down to 5.
Every joint in my body was on fire. It wasn't arthritis. It was nerves lying to me. My daily background pain was at least a 7 and a bad day was my new 10. I still had to work. I had no choice. I walked with a cane and took twice as long to get jobs done. I'd get home from work and pass out on the couch. I'd eat something and then go to bed and try to sleep through the pain.
Finally I got to the Pain Management Specialists, they poked and prodded me which set off the nerve clusters and I redefined my 10 to that exam. They put me on Methadone and all my pain became a 4 or 5.
It didn't mess with mind and I could work full time again. I could sleep at night and not pass out when I got home from work. I was doing good until my polycycstic kidneys dropped to less than 15% efficiency and I went on dialysis. New definitions of a 10 came along. But the Methadone still worked well and helped with the routine pain. The emergency room visits for complications from dialysis were a new 10.
At that point I had to work part time and transitioned to working in the shop since my health was poor. Occasionally an infection would require stopping the Methadone for a while because of complications from the interaction were dangerous.
Then came the kidney transplant. I stopped the Methadone because they put me on new pain meds for the pain from having a third kidney shoved, none too gently, into my abdomen. That was in 2015. October to be precise. A new definition of 10 on the pain scale was set.
Somewhere between then and now the Methadone was cut off. Pain Management was under federal pressure to stop prescribing Methadone because it worked too well I guess. The other options would damage the new kidney so I had to quit working and depend on my Social Security and my wife's paycheck to live.
Suffice to say my definitions of pain are set to levels that make women who have endured pregnancy and childbirth wince. What you think of as a 10 is what I feel when I get out of bed in the morning. You would have to extend your pussy little scale to a 15 to know what working in the yard does to me for the next few days.
You think you're a tough guy? You're the little pussy bitch. I broke my wrist a couple years back and thought it was a sprain because I figured a broken wrist should hurt more. I wrapped it as if it were a sprain and went to bed. I took Tylenol to help with swelling. Not for the pain. The next day my wife insisted I see the doctor. I reluctantly did and was amazed to find the wrist was broken in two places.
Language.
You think you know what pain is and you think you’re a tough guy who can ignore pain.
I never said that. I said that if one can't ignore pain - if it's so debilitating as a result of the severity of one's injuries/illness - then one should be under the care of a doctor who can monitor your symptoms and their causes on a daily, or even 2-3x daily basis. This is best facilitated by inpatient treatment - not by handing them a bottle of highly addictive pills and saying, "Good luck out there!"
Because we've seen copious amounts of evidence that it results in addiction and mismanagement because - as you so thoroughly pointed out - pain scales differ and the medicines used to treat them require constant adjustment. Why would you object to this being administered and monitored on a daily basis by someone who is far more qualified than the individual patient to determine its medical necessity?
Wait, is five the instant of pain when you stub your toe/get fingers smashed when it's at its maxima, or the throbbing pain afterwards? Because having done all three at one point or another, the maxima point in the first two is much worse than running around the next day after getting in a fender bender. And that would mean that my assumptions of pain scale ratings are way off as I had ten as nearly blacking out and unable to speak intelligibly.
Fuck you. How's that for language.
Yes, I can get by without meds. By which I mean I can sit at home, doing some light house work and tend a garden. I do some shade tree mechanic work for friends and do construction projects from honey do list but that kind of work destroys me for the next couple of days. I can't work a normal job which means I collect Social Security now.
Addiction. Fuck You again. Try living without air, water and food then talk to me about addiction. Caffeine and sugar are more addictive than most drugs. Nicotine is the king of addictive drugs. I've quit a lot of things over the years and smoking was the worst one.
As for wishing pain and misery on you, why not. You wish people suffering pain to be locked up if they want relief. You're a shit person and deserve the worst life can give you.
Language.
Yes, I can get by without meds.
So do it. Shrug the monkey off your back. Get strong. Get capable. Get independent. Get yourself free of the prison you've locked yourself in.
Bro, what happens the day that it all falls apart on you? Whether its a supply chain failure, or inflation makes the cost unbearable, or heck maybe the whole dang industry (or nation) just falls apart. Now you can't get your drugs. What do you do then?
And why would you not want to do everything in your power to kick your habit so that it doesn't end you when you can no longer rely on its availability?
You don't need drugs to live, like you need air, water, and food. You ARE strong enough to overcome your chemical dependency. If you choose to be.
You are ignoring what "getting by" means. I don't work, I can't stand for more than 15 minutes at a time. I can't get on ladders. I can't lift things above my head. I can't function in a work environment. Some days I can barely deal with my personal needs.
When it all falls apart I will die. I depend on a number of medications because of the kidney transplant. When they stop flowing I will start rejecting the kidney and I will get to reset my 10 on the pain scale again.
Pain meds are just a kindness to allow me a higher level of functionality. But people like you think you know what is best for everyone. You vote for politicians who promise to force your will on everyone else. Your kind of intolerance and tyrannical desires are worse than the designs of the left.
Mr M: You're arguing with "AT", a sadistic troll. Do what I did long ago and mute him. I don't have to unmute him, from just your side of the argument I can see that he's still using the same arguments and unsupported "facts" as back then. That also means he is ignoring everything you said - he only pretends to debate.
I don't argue to change the mind of the guy I argue with. I argue to change the minds of the innocent bystanders. Articles like this attract fresh people to the site and those people look over the comments. Showing people like AT to be inhuman evil monsters who prefer people suffer makes all conservatives look bad. This making Libertarians look good.
AT will never change. I like that about him. Making him out to be a monster is easy.
Yea, but it doesn't actually work unless they already agree with you. And if preaching to the choir is your thing, then more power to you.
And really, anyone with a brain knows what you're doing - especially when you admit it like you just did. You're appealing to emotion and fallacy - not logic and... wait for it... Reason.
"Making him out to be a monster." I mean, why not just say, "THIS IS AN OVERT AD HOMINEM." (Also, did you just assume my gender??? I'm told that's a big no-no among your kind these days.) The answer is: because you know your own argument doesn't hold water. Mine is right, yours is wrong - and you know it. But you don't want it to be, so you think that if you can successfully demonize me, it'll somehow negate the correctness of everything I've said.
Spoiler alert: it never does.
I don’t work, I can’t stand for more than 15 minutes at a time. I can’t get on ladders. I can’t lift things above my head. I can’t function in a work environment.
Then how can you possibly disagree when I suggest that a sanitarium might actually be the best place for you? Go seek the real healing dude. Stop just trying to temporarily anesthetize it.
Addiction is a real and rising force in American life. But my point in this article is that addiction is very rarely a result of a doctor treating pain by means of the most effective and one of the safest therapies available: namely opioid pain relievers. The narratives of the CDC, VA and DEA are simply wrong -- and proven wrong by data published by CDC itself.
You'll forgive me, Dr. Lawhern, if I take CDC data with a grain of salt in a post-coronavirus America. They kinda burned all the currency they had. But I won't dismiss your response out of hand solely based on that.
That said, I agree with you that I think the majority of physicians prescribing pain medication are doing so out of a genuine belief in its necessity and ability to help. Where I depart is in the idea that the patient should self-administer said medication and be left to their own devices. Visit a NA meeting and you'll find plenty of recovering addicts who will tell you stories about how they started taking it for the pain, and then they kept taking it when it wasn't so bad, and then they kept taking it when it was just mild discomfort, and then they just took it to feel good - because the opiate effect is that powerful and that addictive.
I've seen many cases (and mentioned one in particular) where an injury claim was torpedoed because the patient abused the pain relievers, and a pain management expert made it indisputably clear that the Rx-to-Dx was WAY off. Maybe that's a problem with an indifferent doctor (not likely, given malpractice premiums), but more likely it's a problem with the patient.
It's not the pain relief that I have a problem with, at the end of the day. It's the fact that those who are provided them, in wide swaths, have proven themselves incapable of responsibly managing it themselves.
Appreciate your thoughts and reply, thank you.
To AT,
That is by far the stupidest thing I’ve ever read in my entire life.
Chronic pain is a public health problem that literally tens of millions of Americans live with every day.
One common cause of chronic pain is amputation of a body part.
Other causes include trauma, such as experienced in motor vehicle accidents and gunshot wounds.
If a nerve is severed or crushed in these situations, short circuits develop that can cause chronic pain that can only be relieved by daily use of opiates for many years.
and of course, there is the chronic pain of cancer with bone metastasis.
A Prostate cancer patient may live for many years with bone mets and need daily opiates.
I’m sorry that you have no compassion and would deny people with cancer, or trauma causing chronic chronic pain the use of opiates.
A) There's no such thing as a "public health problem" outside of a literal plague or actual pandemic (not to be confused with the idiocy that we endured a couple years ago).
B) You're describing the extreme cases an imputing their severity to the more - and far more common - benign cases.
C) I'm not saying don't treat pain. I'm saying that if you're that in pain, then you should have a pain management physician helping manage said pain for you on a daily basis. Which, realistically speaking, would require daily monitoring, dosage, and adjustment as needed - until you no longer require said pain management.
The problem is addiction. And that problem manifests when pain-relieving drugs go from being controlled by a medical professional relying on real-time data, to being controlled by someone who's determining their "need" based on how they happen to be feeling at the moment. It's the same reason we don't let an inpatient control their own morphine drip. Even if they think they need it because of how miserable they might be feeling, the doctor knows better and doesn't let them self-administer.
Look dickhead. When a doctor does an opiod prescription for chronic pain they prescribe exactly what they need for 30 days. To get more they need a new prescription from the doctor that can only be submitted, in person and with the presentation of a government issued ID, a few days before the prescription they have runs out. At best, if they work the system and time things out perfectly every time and there are no problems with supply on the pharmacists part they can get a couple days extra at each refill. Which will get used up when the pharmacy is short on those meds which inevitably happens since the feds won't let them carry large stocks of these meds. They never have a pile of pills they can take as often as they want. This isn't blood pressure meds. These are controlled substances and they are very controlled.
You are thinking that the fucking cop shows you watch are reality when it comes to this issue.
Language.
And the problem you've just illustrated is the mindless and more-or-less automatic prescription refill. You MIGHT actually have a reasonable argument if opioid prescriptions weren't refillable (and an even better one if it wasn't every 30 days... but more like every three days).
If a refill required a full on doctor's visit, workup, labs, and dosage monitoring - the same kind you'd effectively get as an inpatient - then that'd be a reasonable counterargument.
But that's not the argument you made, is it. Because that's not the real argument you're advancing in the first place, is it.
Fuck you dick head.
You clearly can't read. Prescriptions for opiods are not refillable. They require a new prescription, on actual paper with an actual doctor's signature hand delivered to the pharmacy for each month's medicine with a very tight overlap of having medication and the pharmacy filling the next prescription. You can't call in a refill or send a person to get them for you. Government ID must be presented. It's a big process. It is very controlled and even having the pills outside of the prescription container can get you in serious felony time trouble.
It's not your blood pressure or penis enlargement meds that you refill whenever you feel like it and can stock up hundreds of extras.
Language.
It’s a big process.
Is it one that involves a doctor's visit, workups, labs, and regular dosage adjustment on a near daily basis?
No? It's not?
That's a load of shit. There are a lot of highly functional people living their lives and in some cases doing amazing things (including at least one beloved former commenter) who are on high doses of opioids all the time. The last thing those people need is more scrutiny over the drugs that allow them to be functional people. Those people should have access to the drugs they need and I don't give a fuck if that means it's easier for some junkies to get some pills.
Funny how the "some people abuse" argumeny used by conservatives only applies to drugs and not guns. If we treated drugs like they want us to treat guns cocaine would be available at the 7-11.
Fine. You pay for it.
And it's not fine. He's demanding that to get effective pain management people need to be hospitalized. The whole fucking point is that people don't have to be hospitalized or bedridden if they can get effective medication.
Your pain, your dime.
Yet again you demonstrate the lack of compassion conservatives possess. Let them suffer pain unless they can pay big bucks to professional facilities if they want that pain reduced. Exactly the kind of cruelty and evil that has made the Republican Party so repulsive that people will vote for Democrats because they know they aren't a bunch of inhuman monsters.
The professional facilities wouldn’t cost big bucks if Democrats would get the heck out of the picture.
Just saying, since you felt compelled to politicize the issue.
My wife has rheumatoid arthritis. She has put up with daily pain for the past 35 years that would have you crying like a little baby. So buzz off with your silly ideas.
So why not institutionalize her? Put her somewhere comfortable where she can have pain management carefully controlled by physicians and make the most out of a debilitating condition?
You are a fucking monster. An inhuman monster who has no compassion.
Language.
And that's not an argument.
Sticks and stones, MrMx.
Argument? Why bother. You don't get into arguments with serial killers. There's no point. They are monsters whose minds work in such a disturbed way that normal people can't communicate with them much less debate. You are one of those kind of monsters. You need to be put down like a mad dog.
What are you talking about? I haven't killed anyone, let alone committed a series of killings.
Would it be impolite of me to ask if your response is... well... I mean... is that your drug use talking, MrMx? Are you sober right now?