Alvin Bragg Says Trump Tried To Conceal 'Another Crime.' What Crime?
The leading possibilities are all problematic in one way or another.

As jury selection begins this week in the New York criminal case against Donald Trump, we should revisit the question of exactly how Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg plans to transform the former president's alleged falsification of business records into 34 felonies. Bragg, who is pursuing the first-ever prosecution of a former president, has cited several possible legal theories, and all of them are problematic in one way or another.
"The heart of the case," Bragg says, is Trump's attempt to influence the outcome of the 2016 presidential election by covering up his purported affair with porn star Stormy Daniels. As Bragg sees it, Trump "corrupt[ed] a presidential election" by hiding negative information from voters. Because there is nothing inherently illegal about that, Bragg is relying on a dubious chain of reasoning to charge Trump with felonies under New York law.
Shortly before the 2016 election, Michael Cohen, Trump's lawyer, paid Daniels $130,000 to keep her from talking about the alleged affair. In a 2018 plea agreement, Cohen, who will be the main prosecution witness in Bragg's case against Trump, accepted the Justice Department's characterization of that payment as an illegal campaign contribution. But Trump was never prosecuted for soliciting or accepting that purported contribution. Nor was he prosecuted for later reimbursing Cohen in a series of payments.
There are good reasons for that. The question of whether this arrangement violated federal election law hinges on whether the hush money is properly viewed as a campaign expense or a personal expense. That distinction, in turn, depends on whether Trump was motivated by a desire to promote his election or by a desire to avoid embarrassment and spare his wife's feelings.
Although the former hypothesis is plausible, proving it beyond a reasonable doubt would have been hard, as illustrated by the unsuccessful 2012 prosecution of Democratic presidential candidate John Edwards. The Edwards case, which was based on similar but seemingly stronger facts, foundered on the difficulty of distinguishing between campaign and personal expenditures.
In any event, the statute of limitations for federal election law violations is five years, and Bragg has no authority to prosecute people for such crimes. Bragg instead charged Trump with covering up his reimbursement of Cohen by disguising it as payment for legal services. Trump did that, according to the indictment, through phony invoices, checks, and ledger entries, each of which violated Section 175.05 of the New York Penal Law, which makes falsification of business records "with intent to defraud" a misdemeanor punishable by a maximum fine of $1,000 and/or up to a year in jail.
Under Section 175.10 of the penal code, that offense becomes a Class E felony, punishable by up to four years in prison, when the defendant's "intent to defraud includes an intent to commit another crime or to aid or conceal the commission thereof." The indictment, which was unveiled in April 2023, charges Trump with 34 counts under that provision but does not specify "another crime." A month later, Bragg's office suggested four possibilities:
The Federal Election Campaign Act
It is not clear that Trump violated that law, and the Justice Department evidently concluded there was not enough evidence to prosecute him for doing so. Given the fuzziness of the distinction between personal and campaign expenditures, it is plausible that Trump did not think the hush payment was illegal, in which case he did not "knowingly and willfully" violate the statute, as required for a conviction. And if so, it is hard to see how his intent in falsifying business records could have included an intent to conceal a violation of federal campaign finance law.
In any event, it is not clear whether a violation of federal law counts as "another crime" under Section 175.10. In 2022, The New York Times reported that prosecutors working for Bragg's predecessor, Cyrus R. Vance Jr., "concluded that the most promising option for an underlying crime was the federal campaign finance violation to which Mr. Cohen had pleaded guilty." But "the prosecutors ultimately concluded that approach was too risky—a judge might find that falsifying business records could only be a felony if it aided or concealed a New York state crime, not a federal one."
Section 17-152 of the New York Election Law
That provision says "any two or more persons who conspire to promote or prevent the election of any person to a public office by unlawful means and which conspiracy is acted upon by one or more of the parties thereto, shall be guilty of a misdemeanor." But as the Times notes, "Federal campaign finance law explicitly states that it overrides—pre-empts, in legal terminology—state election law when it comes to campaign donation limits."
While Vance's prosecutors "briefly mulled using a state election law violation," the Times reported in 2022, they rejected that idea: "Since the presidential race during which the hush-money payment occurred was a federal election, they concluded it was outside the bounds of state law." Even without that complication, the "unlawful means" alleged here again hinges on the doubtful proposition that Trump "knowingly and willfully" violated federal election law.
Sections 1801(a)(3) and 1802 of the New York Tax Law
Section 1801(a)(3) applies to anyone who "knowingly supplies or submits materially false or fraudulent information in connection with any return, audit, investigation, or proceeding." Section 1802 applies to "criminal tax fraud," which includes filing a fraudulent return. According to the statement of facts that accompanied Trump's indictment, he and Cohen "took steps that mischaracterized, for tax purposes, the true nature of the payments made in furtherance of the scheme." How so?
Trump allegedly paid Cohen a total of $420,000, which included the $130,000 hush money reimbursement and "a $50,000 payment for another expense." Trump Organization CFO Allen Weisselberg "then doubled that amount to $360,000 so that [Cohen] could characterize the payment as income on his tax returns, instead of a reimbursement, and [Cohen] would be left with $180,000 after paying approximately 50% in income taxes."
If Cohen mischaracterized a reimbursement as income on state or city tax forms, that would be a peculiar sort of fraud, since the effect would be to increase his tax liability. This theory of "another crime" requires jurors to accept the proposition that tax fraud can entail paying the government more than was actually owed.
Sections 175.05 and 175.10 of the New York Penal Law
These are the same provisions that Trump allegedly violated by mischaracterizing his payments to Cohen. This theory presumably would require additional violations of the law against falsifying business records that the 34 counts listed in the indictment either facilitated or helped conceal. It is not clear what those might be, but we may find out during the trial, assuming Bragg actually relies on these provisions for "another crime."
Slate legal writer Mark Joseph Stern, who initially was "highly skeptical" of Bragg's case against Trump, says he is "now fully onboard." But Stern's reasoning seems to have less to do with the legal merits of the case than with the sense that this could be the last opportunity to stop Trump from reoccupying the White House.
"Obviously," Stern writes, "Trump's criminality during and after the 2020 election, including his work to overturn the outcome through an insurrection, is more serious than the Stormy Daniels payout. Much more serious; no debate there. It would be ideal if Trump faced trial for these alleged offenses first, because they marked a historic and devastating assault on democracy, culminating in an act of shocking violence. He deserves to be held accountable for these actions in open court, by a jury of his peers, before he has another chance to stage a coup. But thanks to Trump's persistent efforts to run out the clock—too often indulged by SCOTUS—it's now almost inconceivable that he will face such a trial before it's time to vote again. What's left, then, is this case."
Stern argues that Bragg's case, like the federal election interference case, is fundamentally "about elections: specifically, who has to follow the rules, and who gets to flout them." In paying off Daniels, he says, Trump acted on his "bedrock belief" that "he need not follow the rules that govern everybody else." But whether Trump actually broke those rules is a matter of serious dispute, the relevant statute of limitations has expired, and Bragg in any event does not have the authority to enforce federal campaign finance regulations.
After taking a long, hard look at potential state charges against Trump stemming from the payment to Daniels, Vance concluded they were too iffy to pursue. Now Bragg is desperately looking for a legal pretext to punish what he takes to be the essence of Trump's crime: keeping from voters information they might have deemed relevant in choosing between him and Hillary Clinton. But that is not a crime, and treating it as 34 felonies stretches the bounds of credulity as well as the bounds of the law.
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As a reminder, the normal process used by the DoJ is a large campaign fine for illegal donations. See Obama
https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/01/07/obama-campaign-fined-big-for-hiding-donors-keeping-illegal-donations
See Clinton’s.
https://www.npr.org/2007/09/10/14311659/clinton-campaign-will-return-tainted-donations
Almost never does the federal government rise these terms to a criminal indictment. Yet here we have a state attempting to do so.
But to be fair orange man is very, very bad. He didn't even go to Harvard. (University of Pennsylvania, fffffppp...)
In order to save the republic from the threat posed by trump, the Dems have no choice but to demolish it themselves. If they manage to pick up a few more Senate seats and somehow prop up Biden's corpse through another inauguration don't be surprised if there's suddenly 13 justices on the Supreme Court, and the majority of the cast of "The View" get appointed as a group to fill the new vacancies. Unless whoever it is "behind the curtain" that's actually been running the government since 2021 gets too distracted by the escalation of war with both Eurasia and Eastasia at the same time instead of claiming we're allied with one or the other at any given time.
It's ultimately all W's fault anyway, for leaving Obama with such a big mess to deal with...
Worse than that, the 31 felony counts are in relation to a misdemeanor that the feds wouldn't prosecute. It would be like throwing out a RICO indictment for a non-charged shoplifting.
None of that matters when you've got a jury pool that's just looking for an excuse to convict the defendant of anything from killing the dinosaurs to causing static cling when they run their laundry through the dryer.
The unpardonable crime of beating "She whose turn it was".
If the pursuit of justice was Bragg's motivation to prosecute Trump, this legal analysis would make a lot of sense and we would conclude that Bragg is an incompetent lawyer and prosecutor. Since the pursuit of justice is NOT Bragg's motivation, none of this legal analysis, no matter how accurate and insightful it might be, is pertinent to the case in point. Bragg's motivation to prosecute Trump at this time and in this place is purely political and rooted in his personal desire to try to embarrass Trump (impossible) and try to influence the outcome of the upcoming Presidential election (likely to backfire.) So, although Bragg is a totally incompetent and thoroughly corrupt official in one of the most ineffectually corrupt places in America, no one will be surprised when the entire affair collapses without consequences for any of the parties involved. Interesting exercise in futility, however ...
Justice isn’t the driving force here. It’s keeping Trump tied up in court, and in the media, until November.
And wringing a few bucks out of him every time he violates the ridiculous gag order.
It was super cute of them to keep him from attending his sons high school graduation.
Thats the new plan. Require him to be in court so he can't campaign.
That shit doesn’t play well in public except to ‘people’ like Sarc and Jeffy. It’s likely that the sum total of injustice towards Trump will have a negative effect for the democrats in November. Especially if they get more shrill and ridiculous.
"...except to ‘people’ like Sarc and Jeffy..."
More easily and accurately spelled "lefty shits".
To the informed, perhaps. However, even now I still have to correct people who think Trump is getting punished for paying Daniels with campaign funds who then get confused when I tell them he is getting punished for NOT paying her with campaign funds and supposedly trying to hide that fact.
The number of low-information voters is astonishing.
Most Americans are as dumb as Chemjeff.
OTOH, Sullum mischaracterizes the John Edwards prosecution as being for something similar to Trump's actions, when it was actually the opposite - Edwards reported the blackmail payoff as a campaign expense and was prosecuted for that. Trump did not report it as anything to do with campaign funds, and is being prosecuted for that. No wonder low information voters are confused!
The Edwards prosecution was BS also---was payback for him not standing aside for Hillary.
What Crime? The answer and many like it are answered by realizing the USA has been infected with [Na]tional So[zi]alist[s] who truly believe their or I mean 'our democracy' can conquer the USA and raise a Nazi-Empire in it's place.
Trumps crimes are listed all over the DNC platform and summarized in the DNC preamble top of paragraph 5.
"The bill has come due on the Trump Administration’s hollowing out of our public institutions"
Federal (i.e. [Na]tional) Public (So[zi]alist) Institutions.
Awe see. The TDS isn't actual about Trump it's about what the Trump Administration did cutting, curbing and de-regulation the Nazi-Empire.
The idea he paid Stormy in conjunction with the NDA to influence the election, after being in the public eye for decades banging actresses/models/pornstars/etc., is fucking laughable.
You mean it's laughable fucking.
I wondered at that and kinda thought that if he had been banging her while Melania was pregnant with Barron, that perhaps making Stormy keep her mouth shut was more for Melania’s sake than his own reputation.
Question: When people say the feds looked at and declined charging Trump during Cohen's investigation/charges/plea; wasn't that while Trump was president?
Does the DOJ have a policy of not charging sitting presidents? Was Trump nonetheless an un-indicted co-conspirator in Cohen's case or not?
Wasn't the payoff to Daniels similar to other payoffs for other woman - part of a larger operation to hide affairs etc... by buying the rights to the stories and then not publishing them?
Lastly, if the affair happened years prior to his running for President, why would he pay her off in the months before the election versus paying her off years earlier to hide the affair from Melania if the intent was to save his family the humiliation?
Are state AGs allowed to charge federal crimes?
Are you sure you’re a lawyer?
Did a state AG "charge federal crimes"?
Answers to windy's questions: Yes, yes, yes and probably because she hadn't yet written a book.
I am sure about my employment. The statute at issue (elevating a misdemeanor that would have been time barred vs felony which isn't) is silent on whether the 'other crimes' need be state crimes.
I am not surprised, though, that in the situation where the NY business falsified documents to hide or cover up a federal crime, it usually wouldn't be prosecuted in state court. Because falsifying records to commit tax fraud would be handled by the IRS. Falsifying business records to hide something from the SEC to keep something from being reported publicly and affecting the share price of a publicly traded company would be prosecuted by the SEC or the DOJ.
In this case, there is the wrinkle that at the time of the actual falsifying records and corresponding payments to Cohen were made, Trump was the sitting president. And the DOJ has a policy of not indicting sitting presidents. Had Trump not been president he would not be unindicted co-conspirator #1. He would have been co-defendant Trump and prosecuted by the feds for this very scheme.
The problem is Bragg can't prosecute the federal crime he is reliant on and the DoJ chose not to. It doesn't matter why the DoJ declined as Bragg can't initiate a trial regarding the federal crime. That is the issue you seem to be dancing around. Bragg can not independently try Trump for the felony that is a predicate to the state felony. It can not be used as the basis.
Should I ask the question again?
Why? Democrats are so rarely honest and forthcoming when it doesn’t fit their narrative.
"...Should I ask the question again?"
Why? That steaming pile of lefty shit is going to answer the question he hopes you might have asked, not the one you did.
I am sure about my employment.
Read the statement again. Note that he didn't use the term "lawyer" or state what his employment was.
In other words "I'm not a lawyer, but I play one on the internet" is probably about as close to passing the bar as this troll has gotten.
Yes he did use the term lawyer. He said "are you sure you are a lawyer?"
And no shit Alvin Bragg has no authority to prosecute a federal crime in state court. That is why there was discussion of the statute using the broad term "other crime." The intent to conceal or hide some other crime works. And whether that is falsifying the records to claim a tax deduction for fake legal services or to prevent the issue of infidelity to come up during the campaign - I don't care. This is all part and parcel of Trump's entire being. He is a cheap skate and the rules don't matter. We saw that with the prosecution of his organization which engaged in numerous other examples of the same shit. We saw it in his fraud trial. We saw it in the E Jean Caroll suit. This is this man's life and how he has carried himself...through multiple bankruptcies, charity scams, university scams, steak scams, Trump airlines scams, NFT scams, and now Truth Social pump and dump securities scams. I don't know why anyone expects anything different. He has been doing this his entire life.
I hate him therefore I don’t care?
If he hasn’t been found guilty of a crime, or they cannot prove that crime, or does not have jurisdiction to judge that crime, then said crime should not be admissible for this purpose. The felony indictments should fall.
There were pre-trial motions on the topic. The Court ruled on them. And the prosecution has commenced. My view doesn't matter nor does the view of any of the numerous Trump dick riders here.
There is no dispute Trump falsified the records at issue. There is no dispute that this was a common business practice of his (see case against Trump organization and Weisselberg for further reasons why this was common). Nor is there a dispute that these actions are illegal under NY law (and some federal laws) and that he was an unindicted co conspirator to his personal attorney who assisted him in all these events.
I think it was pure luck that the only reason he wasn't charged with Cohen was his position as president and while I agree why he couldnt' be charged then, its not a permanent get out of jail free card forever. So if this is some measure of Karma for his life of being a total ass his entire life, so be it.
"There is no dispute Trump falsified the records at issue."
Really? So calling settlement costs legal expenses is false?
Lots of words.
You still haven't confirmed that you actually are a lawyer.
Quite a stereotypical troll.
Can you confirm you own at least 3 Trump NFT's where Trump is shirtless and unusually muscular?
Again, the troll doesn't simply say "Yes, I am an attorney".
Also, I definitely could if that were the case. I mean, the whole point of an NFT is to conclusively prove you own something, right?
Paying a lawyer to draw up an NDA is not illegal. Giving the lawyer money to pay the other person is also not illegal nor is it illegal for the lawyer to deposit those funds in their lawyer trust account and pay the person the agreed upon amount from the trust account.
But that isn't what Trump did now is it? No, they set up a fake shell company. The lawyer funded the shell company with his own money (not proper). The lawyer then had an oral agreement to be paid back considerably more than the agreed upon amount to be paid to the other side of the contract (Stormy Daniels). This was done through false invoices for non existent legal services. No client, certainly not one as cheap as Donald Trump, would agree to pay a lawyer 300k to draw up an NDA and pay Daniels 130k unless there was something in it for Trump. Like the much larger tax deduction for 300k when there would be no tax deduction for paying Daniels 130k. It isn't a business deduction. But Trump is such a cheap ass he had to cheat. And now he is going to pay considerably more.
The doj already admitted to falsifying evidence to get trump. If they thought there was something with stormy Daniel's they would take it
Which case was that, the Steele dossier?
"And the DOJ has a policy of not indicting sitting presidents." Trump has not been President for over three years. DOJ could have indicted him during this time, but didn't, because even as biased as they are, they know the case would be embarrassingly bad - starting with prosecuting Trump for THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT THEY PROSECUTED JOHN EDWARDS FOR.
This is not the first time I've seen the Edwards case mischaracterized to hide that contradiction in a Reason article. Was the one I read a day or two ago also Sullum, or another careless and biased "journalist"?
Too bad he couldn't hide negative stories the "legitimate" way, by having the FBI tell the newspapers, TV networks and online platforms that a story which was about the break was "Russian Misinformation" despite the source material having generally been verified as authentic at that point.
Or have the FBI use practices which the IG office called improper to obtain warrants for secret surveillance of the opposing campaigns top management.
Or launch a multi-year special prosecutor investigation based almost entirely on information contained in politically funded "oppo research" in which the principal incriminating information had been fabricated by PR workers employed by the campaign which funded the research and fed back to the foreign national who they'd hired to do the research through a Russian "source".
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/porn-star-stormy-daniels-detailed-alleged-affair-with-trump-in-2011-interview/2018/01/19/8bdd1a50-fbb5-11e7-ad8c-ecbb62019393_story.html
There was nothing to pay Stormy Daniels for. She had gone public about the alleged affair in 2011.
And even if he had, it’s only illegal with campaign funds. Where Bragg is going is that Trump used his own money to fund his campaign, therefore, any payoff with his own money would have been with campaign funds.
He might have a crooked lower court judge like with Arthur Engoron to rule against Trump initially, but eventually this will get tossed out. But the point is to drag it out into the election, not to win.
He should have just said he “paid in cash”. No problem, then.
Is there really a problem with calling NDA payments legal expenses?
When you launder the blackmail payoff through a lawyer - which is legal and often required by blackmailers smart enough to stay out of prison - it becomes a legal expense. The only thing that might be unusual about this case is that the lawyer fronted the money and trusted the client to pay him back later. Usually lawyers and other prostitutes must be paid up front. And perhaps Trump's problems began with not doing that with Stormy Daniels...
Cohen fronting the money is the part that really mystifies me.
The "fixer" for a multi-billion operation that has to deal directly with every "mobbed up" industry and labor union in NYC isn't on a retainer big enough to cover a $130k billable expense?
The part that makes what Cohen did "illegal" is that he caved and entered into a plea deal before someone else who was charged with the same thing and chose to go all the way to trial ended up being acquitted by the jury who ruled that not only was the accused "criminal" not guilty, but that there had been no actual crime committed in the course of anything that led to the charges.
The prosecution played on vague definitions in the law to get the indictment in the first place, and had a "take" on the sequence that would have created the appearance of a violation no matter how the exchanges actually happened.
Since the payment to Daniels was made with non-campaign money, the prosecution claimed that since it happened during a campaign, the payment amounted to "campaign spending" that wasn't properly recorded as a contribution/loan at the time of the transfer. If the payment had been made out of campaign funds, they would have prosecuted trump and Cohen for using "campaign" money to pay for the candidate's personal legal expenses, which would then also be indictable. The whole thing had nothing to do with punishing a meaningful crime, and was entirely about creating a pretext to charge Cohen with something in order to get him to "flip" against trump, and to get around whatever they wanted to know being "priveledged" on the pretext that it was all related to the comission of a crime.
Don't forget they also had the CEO of the national enquirer as a cooperating source. Because this Stormy case wasn't the first time Trump did this. The CEO of AMI or whatever...corroborated Cohen's version of events about the general nature of the 'catch and kill' operation to bury negative stories about Trump and both Cohen and AMI CEO agreed they did it with the express purpose to further Trump's chances of being elected. So whatever the laws about campaign finance (and in kind contributions) the "intent" of the operation as discussed by those participating directly in it was to benefit Trump's election prospects. That testimony is going to come up during the trial and while those witnesses, especially Cohen, are going to get impeached, the various steps undertaken in furtherance of the scheme have physical evidence to prove/corroborate their testimony. And when Cohen and the AMI guy are asked 'Was Donald Trump aware of the scheme to suppress negative stories about him and did he approve it?" Both are going to answer yes. That he was both present in the meetings to discuss what to do and approved of the plans and Trump's signature is on all the checks to Cohen. Its factually going to be very hard for Donald Trump to deny he knew what he was paying for. He can deny being in the meetings and call everyone else liars but as the head of the Trump organization who bragged that everything goes through him... his signature on the checks is going to cast his testimony as lacking credibility.
Didn't Bill Clinton pay settlements/hush money to a number of women who were accusing him of non-consensual sexual activities?
When an investigation was launched into Clinton, the everyone who was active at the time and now hates trump (possibly including trump himself, since he was a major donor to the DNC and Clinton campaigns at the time) cried foul at the idea that investigating possibly corrupt business deals and sexual assault was crossing some line.
Nobody ever thought to suggest the idea that paying off Paula Jones in the middle of the 1992 campaign was possibly a camaign finance violation (although maybe the law they're charging trump and cohen under didn't exist in 1994?).
Imagine if anyone in the "legitimate" media cared 10% as much about the political use of FISA surveiliance and the use of the FBI to suppress the media from following up on a lead about foreign business corruption, influence peddling, and claims of concealed/laundered eight-figure payments to the immediate family of one Presidential candidate as they do about an effort to keep unsavory stories about completely legal personal involvements by his opposition...
Would a consensual, one-night involvement (according to Danels' side of the story, anyway) have even made it off of "page six" if the candidate involved had a "D" in front of their name when reported on in the NYT or WaPo? Top candidates from that party can be accused of multiple rapes (including having on-duty Law Enforcement acting as accomplices in at least one claim), or take up with their campaign videographer while a major thrust of their campaign is about their solid character for "standing by" a wife who's dying of cancer, and the media treats it as if reporting on the situation is the real crime, but one apostate who publicly crossed over to the "other side" (and took a significant swing-state voting bloc with him) has a "Netflix and chill" night while his (3rd? maybe) wife, who he began dating while still married to the previous one, is pregnant and somehow it's the WORLD'S RIGHT TO KNOW every minute detail?
I am sorry; is there a point to all this rambling? The question isn’t whether any other politician is a sleazy scumbag. Of course they are. Likely the majority of all them are. Though few who did as much sleazy shit as Trump would have gotten endorsed and supported by the evangelicals as much as he did… but we are losing the plot here.
The intent of the whole scheme…and the whole reason Cohen and Trump and CEO of AMI and Weissellberg and whoever else in the Trump Org took all these steps to pay off a porn star with 130k through a shell company to hide the payment wasn’t simply to save a few thousand dollars on taxes that Trump doesn’t pay anyway (although that may have made it more attractive to Trump)… it was to kill the story and prevent its proliferation in the waning months of the presidential election. Again, with the stated goal of helping Trump’s campaign.
It might be speculation that the ‘grab em by the pussy’ tape and other negative press occurring at or near the same time motivated this…but that doesn’t change the overarching theme. Access Hollywood tape was generating negative press. Adding fuel to that fire that Trump was shagging porn stars while his 3rd wife was pregnant or had just given birth isn’t going to go over well with undecided voters and suburban soccer moms. Even if politically nobody cared or already suspected Trump of being a womanizing sleazebag… they (being Trump, his campaign & Cohen) obviously subjectively believed that paying Cohen 300k to pay off Stormy for 130k was worth the effort. There is a paper trail. There are admissions, Cohen’s plea agreement and there is the proffer from the CEO of AMI corroborating Cohen’s version of events.
Trump is such an idiot that he still denies sleeping with the porn star. As if anybody believes that. But he also wants us to believe he agreed to pay his lawyer 300k to pay her 130k. And that is truly the stuff of fantasy. This fucking guy used one of his charities to pay for some stupid boy scout fee for one of his sons. Someone that cheap doesn’t pay a lawyer 170k to draw up, negotiate and execute an NDA. Nobody believes that. Even you.
We're sorry too. Stuff your TDS up your ass, and thn make your family proud: Fuck off and die.
>>treating it as 34 felonies stretches the bounds of credulity as well as the bounds of the law.
this take is acceptable but barely. this place should be on fire about lawfare.
Charles Koch's patronage was poison.
^
So Bragg's argument is that if he *feels* that what Trump has done is illegal, the jury should see it that way.
I am perfectly willing to acknowledge that Trump is an unspeakable ass, but that doesn't mean that Bragg isn't as well, or that he should continue to be allowed to practice law in New York.
(Insert Mencken quote here)
"Did you really think that we want those laws to be observed?" said Dr. Ferris. "We want them broken. You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up against - then you'll know that this is not the age for beautiful gestures. We're after power and we mean it. You fellows were pikers, but we know the real trick, and you'd better get wise to it. There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively interpreted - and you create a nation of law-breakers - and then you cash in on guilt. Now, that's the system, Mr. Rearden, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with."
Watching Dr. Ferris watch him, Rearden saw the sudden twitch of anxiety, the look that precedes panic, as if a clean card had fallen on the table from a deck Dr. Ferris had never seen before.
What Dr. Ferris was seeing in Rearden's face was the look of luminous serenity that comes from the sudden answer to an old, dark problem, a look of relaxation and eagerness together; there was a youthful clarity in Rearden's eyes and the faintest touch of contempt in the line of his mouth. Whatever this meant - and Dr. Ferris could not decipher it - he was certain of one thing: the face held no sign of guilt.
"There's a flaw in your system, Dr. Ferris," Rearden said quietly, almost lightly, "a practical flaw which you will discover when you put me on trial for selling four thousand tons of Rearden Metal to Ken Danagger."
It took twenty seconds - Rearden could feel them moving past slowly - at the end of which Dr. Ferris became convinced that he had heard Rearden's final decision.
"Do you think we're bluffing?" snapped Dr. Ferris; his voice suddenly had the quality of the animals he had spent so much time studying: it sounded as if he were baring his teeth.
"I don't know," said Rearden. "I don't care, one way or the other."
"When you see that trading is done, not by consent, but by compulsion–when you see that in order to produce, you need to obtain permission from men who produce nothing–when you see that money is flowing to those who deal, not in goods, but in favors–when you see that men get richer by graft and by pull than by work, and your laws don’t protect you against them, but protect them against you–when you see corruption being rewarded and honesty becoming a self-sacrifice–you may know that your society is doomed." - Ayn Rand
That describes Joe Biden perfectly.
I haven't read this, what was the "practical flaw"?
It's so cute, you thinking the law still matters. I think you need a visit from the Federal Bureau of Intimidation to explain it to you.
As others have said they don't care about winning the process is the punishment. You can beat the rap but you can't beat the ride.
The other crime is such a mystery Trump's co-conspirator went to prison for it.
Quit pandering to the MAGAt morons in the comments section, Reason.
They threaten to pile on charges so people plead out.
Getting rid of charge stacking was something I thought the left had in common with me. I am amazed how quickly that is being abandoned just for one person. Not much of a commitment to cause if you will abandon it so easily.
Trump today, someone else tomorrow.
Poor KAR.
Wait. So people are guilty if they know someone who pled guilty in a deal to relieve them of other crimes? No trial needed?
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WHAT THE FUCK SULLUM!
You told us the walls were closing in!
Now you're saying all these cases are bullshit!
OUR PRECIOUS DEMOCRACY IS AT STAKE HERE!
They mostly pander to leftist faggots who support Biden.
"The other crime is such a mystery Trump’s co-conspirator went to prison for it..."
Cite missing, asshole.
Jacob, you've been cheerleading for every last bit of lawfare against Trump ever since the 2016 election why the tepid change to egrudgingly recognizing reality now?
After your post I had to double check the byline. You're right. If even Sullim isn't convinced, then this is pathetic.
In order to accept that Trump committed a crime, you would have to believe that his supporters would be offended if the slept with a porn star and cheated on his wife. We all know they would cheer him on.
As for the other crime that Trump is covering up? Lol take your pick, there are probably dozens of them.
Whatever he has done is ok because a Democrat did it first.
Still retarded no how many times you say it.
Still fascist no matter how many times you condone it.
Have you heard of the concept called precedent?
It’s a step up from the incumbent who serially molested his preteen daughter in the shower and violently raped one of his senate staffers. But we know democrats revere rapists and child molesters.
"In order to accept that Trump committed a crime, you would have to believe that his supporters would be offended if the slept with a porn star and cheated on his wife..."
Leave FDR, JFK and Clinton out of this, you slimy pile of lefty shit.
As for the other crime that Trump is covering up? Lol take your pick, there are probably dozens of them.
It's that damned 'probably' that's the issue.
You vermin look and look and dig and dig and you never seem to find any of those 'probable' dozens.
""In order to accept that Trump committed a crime, ''
Well first he would have to be found guilty of one.
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WHAT THE FUCK SULLUM!
You told us the walls were closing in!
Now you're saying all these cases are bullshit!
OUR PRECIOUS DEMOCRACY IS AT STAKE HERE!
"...all of them are problematic in one way or another."
It's easily, and more accurately spelled as "bullshit".
Sigh- why are people so anxious to make Trump the reasonable one? I mean, really- it's like he has a superpower to make his opponents go insane.
Here is Michael Tracey.
https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/1780205743318217139
If you read his other tweets, you can tell he is no Trump fan.
Someone help me out – isn’t there a Habeas Corpus issue here? Bragg said he hasn’t announced this “other crime” in his indictment because the law doesn’t require it. But doesn’t the law require someone knowing what they are accused of? Even indirectly as in this case?
Another issue, as Alan Dershowitz pointed out - NY doesn't have federal jurisdiction so legally the other crime should be a New York crime, not a federal crime. Otherwise, it could be any crime - a German crime, Iranian crime, crime against Church law, etc.
Crimes against the party.
Couldn't Trump have filed what is called a motion for a bill of particulars? Maybe he did. I know there were pre-trial hearings on the subject of the 'other crimes.' Perhaps a motion to dismiss on vagueness grounds. I don't recall the reporting of them off the top of my head. Unlike the federal cases where all the motions are easily accessible and posted online for anyone to read, I haven't seen the same for the NY docket in this case.
Btw, first day of jury selection produced no jurors.
I don't know how you can get an unbiased jury for something this big.
Especially in NYC.
Not mentioned in this article is the treatment of Hillary Clinton for actual violations of the Federal Election law in paying to have the fake Steele Dossier created, then hiding those payments as "legal fees". So exactly the same case could have been made against Hillary Clinton, with the additional feature that there was an actual prosecuted and convicted federal crime underlying the fraudulent bookkeeping. But her name wasn't Donald Trump, so Bragg never brought any charges against her.
Of course not, that’s (D)ifferent.
Is that Hillary crime within Bragg's jurisdiction?
The fact is that the Clinton campaign accepted the FEC decision paid a fine and cleared the matter. The Trump campaign left the issue hanging out there and now Trump is snagged by the failure to address the issue. Trump was President and controlled the DOJ. He could have cleared the matter years ago. He is getting caught by his own reluctance to address his failure to comply with election law rules. This is no different than a person failing to pay a parking ticket until the state take away you license and give you a large accumulated fine.
Fuck off and die, slimy pile of lefty shit.
In no way did paying off Stormy Daniels violate federal campaign finance laws.
And Bragg has authority to try anyone for violations of federal law.