'Hamstringing the Government': A Viral Narrative Distorts Ketanji Brown Jackson's Understanding of Free Speech
If partisans have one thing in common, it's confirmation bias.

"My biggest concern," said Supreme Court Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson on Monday, "is that your view has the First Amendment hamstringing the government in significant ways."
That comment came during oral arguments in Murthy v. Missouri, the case that asks if President Joe Biden's administration violated the First Amendment when it sought to pressure social media apps to remove information it deemed harmful. It took almost no time for Jackson's tidbit to set off the viral narrative that she doesn't grasp basic constitutional principles, particularly when considering the point of the First Amendment is indeed to hamstring what the government can do in response to speech it may not like.
"Jackson raises eyebrows with comment that First Amendment 'hamstrings' government," wrote Fox News. "Leftists want unlimited government — which is why they hate the Constitution," lamented The Federalist. It was "literally one of the craziest things I've ever seen," said Rep. Jim Jordan (R–Ohio).
But like so many viral narratives, Jackson's comments were fairly benign in context, and were actually echoed by Justices Brett Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett. Perhaps most ironically, her remark spoke fundamentally to the crux of the case: The government, of course, does not have the right to punish someone criminally for the vast majority of speech. But does it have the right to persuade?
Jackson may think it does. Her "hamstringing" comment came attached to a hypothetical scenario she posed to Benjamin Aguiñaga, Louisiana's solicitor general, who argued the Biden administration had overstepped when it contacted social media platforms and attempted to pressure them to remove posts it found objectionable. Suppose a challenge circulated on social media concerning "teens jumping out of windows at increasing elevations," Jackson said. Could the government try to persuade those platforms to remove that content?
No, Aguiñaga said, because that's still protected speech, no matter how dangerous.
That might very well be the correct interpretation. But Jackson's take—that such a view could place too much restraint on the government—is one that's held by many, including, it appears, some of her more conservative colleagues. Kavanaugh, for example, invoked his experience working with government press staff, who regularly call reporters to criticize them and try to influence their coverage. Would it be illegal for the feds to prosecute those journalists for pieces that cast them in a negative light? Absolutely. Is it beyond the pale for the government to express what it believes to be true in seeking better coverage? Not necessarily, Kavanaugh said.
That doesn't mean they're correct. But the great irony of the viral Jackson pile-on is that, based on oral arguments, her view may very well prevail.
Jackson, of course, is not the first to find herself in this situation. At a recent rally in Ohio, former President Donald Trump said there would be a "bloodbath" if he were to lose. The comment set off a media frenzy, despite that, once again, the comment, which seemed to refer to the auto industry, appeared far more benign in context. But if partisans have one thing in common, it's confirmation bias. They often differ on which ideas they want to succeed, but they want their side confirmed just the same—sometimes at the expense of truth.
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Bozo Billy Binion here to shill for the Progressive Leftist Regime. Fuck off.
GFY billy
On the other hand, the first amendment was literally written (on parchment) to 'hamstring' the government.
So, this might be the first time in her judicial career that she's not actually wrong.
But hamstringing is what you did to ENEMY horses, so 'NO'
Some people still think that Reason is a libertarian publication.
No, they don't. Absolutely everyone who has read past the masthead knows that ship has long since sailed.
Except he isn't.
Her comment out of context is pretty bad, just like every quote of Donald Trump. Bloodbath is a great example.
Don't get me wrong, all three of the justices trying to walk the tight rope of "influence" over "intimidate" are fill of shit. If someone from the IRS calls you no matter how nice he speaks or what his intentions are there is intimidation behind it.
Just because he's trying to tell both sides doesn't mean he's a shill. I get that you want Reason writers to shill for your side and when they don't you get upset. You need to get over it.
Its pretty bad in context. Read the rest of the back and forth. And the lawyer is almost as bad saying there are some situations where the govt can ‘reccomend’ censorship.
Jackson: “The line is does the government,
pursuant to the First Amendment, have a
compelling interest in doing things that result
in restricting the speech in this way?”
Everything she says confirms the same thought, she supports govt actions which intend to result in restriction, which is a clear violation of the 1st amendment. “Congress shall make no law … abridging the freedom of speech" unless they have a compelling interest?
It seems like "progressive" ideology includes a belief that there's some "unabridged" version of the US Constitution in which the heading above the first 10 amendments reads "Bill of Privileges Contingent upon Demonstrable Need".
It would definitely explain most of the more permissive interpretations of the 2nd Amendment among their ranks, in contrast to those who seem to think that those lines amount to a smudge which happens to coincidentally resemble handwriting.
In context it's bad as well. It shows a lack of understanding of one's job, but she's the diversity hire so what do we expect.
I just get tired of whenever an article isn't goose stepping along with the right wing ideology its automatically some leftist drivel and shows that Reason is a tool of the left.
Many of us remember when the right were the bad guys and don't trust them any more than we trust the left. Just because we look at them as both suspect doesn't mean we are siding with their opposition.
Oh give the fuck up already. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they're "shill(ing) for the 'Progressive Leftist Regime'". In this particular case I happen to disagree with the writer. The essential nature of government is force, and any "persuasion" is implicitly backed by force. But framing any deviation from your personal orthodoxy as treason is some seriously tired bullshit. Not that I expect much of anything else from you at this point. It's perversely impressive how close you can get to being right while still spouting idiocy.
The principle here is very clear: “Congress shall make no law … abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press.” It is, rather, the extension of that simple principle into murkier areas through judicial rulings, precedents and case law that has caused the confusion even amongst Supreme Court Justices who ought to know better. Legislating from the bench has always been fraught with peril and now we’re starting to see the effect on the law it has had. What law did Congress make that has abridged the right for anyone to speak or publish their opinions? What law has Congress made that abridges the freedom of the press? The only example that comes to mind at this point is the requirement for a license from the Federal government to broadcast and, more specifically the requirement for broadcasters to give “equal time” to opposing opinions in the public interest in order to keep their licenses. The Supreme Court should – but is very unlikely to – strike down the “public interest” requirement for broadcasters’ licenses and, by extension, the equal time provision as a perfect example of the slippery slope so often pooh-pooed by nanny-staters.
It is my opinion that government officials should not be allowed to try to “convince” private actors to do what would be illegal for them to try to REQUIRE those private entities to do. If it would be a violation of the First Amendment for the CDC to REQUIRE Facebook to take down “false” opinions about COVID, it is also a violation of their First Amendment rights to “convince” them to comply with the implicit threat of indirect punishment floating nearby.
Excellent comment. The problem is that when a politician or regulator "suggests" that "misinformation" be removed from a website, there is an inherent threat akin to a local crime boss "suggesting" that a store needs "protection." What will happen if the recipient does not comply?
How to distinguish between free speech and coercion? 'Tis a puzzlement.
Yes.
Is it beyond the pale for the government to express what it believes to be true in seeking better coverage? Not necessarily, Kavanaugh said.
A lot depends on how the government expresses its opinion. If it expresses it openly for all to see (and object to) and not surreptitiously, sneakily to coerce behavior, then it is OK. But that's not what the gov has done.
It seems like most of the opinions the Government was expressing in public was that there might be a need to bring anti-trust litigation against the companies which it was covertly "requesting" to engage in the kind of censorship which the Government itself is prohibited from attempting.
Isn't a system in which private-sector agents are expected to violate citizen rights at the behest of the the State usually called "Fascism"? Especially when the violation in question is focused around suppression of ideas and speakers because the Government finds them to be "inconvenient"?
"How to distinguish between free speech and coercion? ‘Tis a puzzlement."
I'm sure that KBJ has one answer for a scenario in which agents of a government which has the capacity to "regulate" nearly any enterprise out of existence are looking to "persuade" compliance by a private business, and a somewhat different answer in a situation where a male supervisor/employer/co-worker is looking to "persuade" a female colleague/employee to be more receptive to consider certain kinds of interactions outside of the workplace...
and the writer of this article excudes himself. But you say 'Government would never care about this article!" --and there you go : you've forgotten Biden's Disinformation Governance Board (DGB)which would stop controversy by muzzling all sides. So Ketanji is wrong,the article is wrong,and most comments here are just uninformed
Ideally, the government would not have the power to retaliate against a media outlet that did.not accept their "suggestion". But since we have inadvertently allowed it such power, we need to ban all attempts to alter what is published, however benign. It's not as if the government is powerless to issue a rebuttal in reply to what it considers misinformation.
What law did Congress make that has abridged the right for anyone to speak or publish their opinions? What law has Congress made that abridges the freedom of the press?
Not for nothing but... Section 230 of the CDA.
Isn't the purpose of Section 230 to protect "platform" companies who choose not to exercise any editorial control over user-posted content from being held liable for such content that's not of their creation?
While it's frequently been misinterpreted, that Section in reality does nothing at all to infringe on the right of a platform to engage in such editorial control, it merely doesn't protect sites which choose to control the content on their site from liability for the content which they do then choose to make themself the "publisher" of.
The appropriate question is not whether the government has a public interest in encouraging or discouraging this behavior or that behavior.
The government, federal, state and local, only have the powers that have been given to them by their relevant constitutions, passed legislation, and judicial interpretations of the same.
Consequently, the question the Supreme Court should consider is not "should the government be able to do this or that." The question should be, "where is it writing in the Constitution, federal law, or judicial interpretation of federal law, that says the government can and should do 'X' ".
If you don't get the question right, your chances of getting the answer right are nil.
Very well put, and, I might add, if Government can spend time and resources persuading people about one thing, even with no implicit threats, what limit is there on what subjects where Government can use persuasion?
Government could easily end up spending too much time persuading people at the expense of it's legitimate purpose of protecting Individual Rights.
oh my. don't you have friends to stop you?
Hey, the media also lied about Trump saying “bloodbath”. Same same.
I still want the apology cake for a year's worth of RIOTS! nonsense. Someone direct Billy to substack.
On a libertarian site, we have no shit writers arguing for censorship by the regime over what they consider to be misinformation / dangerous information.
I wonder if any of them thought, for like 3 seconds, "what if Trump had this power, I wonder if he would have people censor themselves in a way I personally disagree with"
Seriously, these people cant think more than 1-2 steps in front of them
They know who pays them.
Trump loves conflict.
“Trump loves conflict”.
Is this an argument for, or against, letting the Executive establish multiple back-channel means to tell private companies which publicly-expressed opinions ought to be suppressed?
If it wasn’t for the TDS, everyone would see that official .gov opinion management is a really, really bad idea.
“Teens jumping out of windows at increasing elevations.”
Sounds hilarious. Pay per view?
The new “challenge “ that’s sweeping the nation!
Drop a tide pod, then jump out a window as you dump a bucket of water on your head. New Olympic sport?
There is a hilarious Key and Peale skit where one of the two plays the typical winning football quarterback who is being interviewed by some sports reporter.
The quarterback is going on about how if kids just believe they can do anything. Then he starts getting specific, "especially you kid 16 to 22, you can fly! Just jump out of a high window and you will fly! Don't let anyone tell you different."
At this point the reporter is trying to tell kids to not jump out of windows and try to fly. But he is doing it with the calm reporter voice while the quarterback is screaming that the kids have super powers and shoot listen to anyone who tries to keep them down.
I about died laughing.
Is it really the case that Billy Binion can't tell the difference between an official calling a writer and saying "I completely disagree with you " or "You're entirely wrong and here's why...", and an official calling a communications provider and saying "shut this third party up"?
Billy wouldn’t know what truth is if it sucked him off.
What is more concerning is if Kavanaugh also holds this inability to differentiate.
But the question is about whether differentiation is in the constitutional right and IT IS NOT. And really Covid hurt millions of people through government muzzling of informeation.
A Biden nominee defending an unconstitutional act by Biden.
Who woulda thunk it?
Yeah, it's just a "viral narrative:"
It's pretty obvious to me that, in addition to basic human biology, she obviously "doesn't grasp basic constitutional principles" and is therefore wholly unqualified to be a Supreme Court justice. Although she's not the first nor will she be the last SCOTUS justice who's unqualified for the position.
I don't see where his additional context disproves what everyone criticizing her is saying. She supports government censorship. She doesn't recognize 1A or adhere to any reasonable interpretation of the document she is tasked with upholding
I don’t see where his additional context disproves what everyone criticizing her is saying.
That's because it doesn't. It's a rather disingenuous attempt to play "well akshually" games in order to try (and fail) to "own the conservatives."
Hell, she doesn’t understand basic language, as in “Nice social media platform ya got there, shame if we busted it up as a monopoly”.
It should have been obvious when she couldn’t say what a woman was because she wasn’t a biologist.
The Bill of Rights is supposed to restrain the government, not be a trail of shredded paper leading past it.
And once again snookered, this time by some cynical asshole 🙂
Affirmative action
Given that government "persuasion" is ultimately always under the threat of violence (that's a nice social media platform you've got there, it'd be a shame if something happened to it), the obvious answer is no.
Only a statist asshat would think otherwise.
It would be one thing if the CDV put out a factsheet to debunk claims but no, they order 3rd party speech removed or else and Billy here is wondering what the issue is.
So we are letting Justice Ketanji worry about whether the governor of Texas knows what an 'invastion" is !!!! Persuasion, invasion -- both are the same thing. If I like you I allow your choice of words
Stop defending the indefensible.
She is an idiot, it’s plain as day.
So is Billy.
GFY Billy
Worst take ever.
Today. So far. Okay. Maybe the last hour. Give it time. Sullum has a long list of awful takes. Luckily Shikha is gone. But Emma is still here.
Nah, it’s actually a pretty bed take even by Reason B-team standards.
Fiona's are full blown retard level takes.
Who is left now? Is it just Robby and good Liz?
Both of them are prone to some idiotic or disingenuous takes as well. Though maybe I'd say those two are more obtuse and mostly blinded by the bubble they live in. Binion, Camp, Sullum, Boehm, ENB, Fiona, etc. all put out downright retarded takes daily that don't even come close to libertarian thought.
Veronica Rugby managed to sound halfway libertarian when she was interview on Wilkow’s XM show a few days ago. Although it was a fairly narrow field of discussion.
Another story blown out of proportion due to false quotation. I get her point, it is a good one. The government must have the right to require media to make public service announcements. Imagine the bombs coming and no media announcing it.
Imagine the bombs not coming and the government compelling the media to lie about it.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/us-official-says-russian-missiles-hit-poland-killing-2-associated-press-2022-11-15/
Where's the compulsion in that example? There is none. You're grasping at straws because you're a failure at discussion and debate.
You’re not someone who should be pulling on that thread.
Imagine the bombs ARE coming and the government compelling the media to lie about it.
Imagine all the people posting Tiktok videos knowing in advance the bombs would be dropping and, lacking other viable options, memeing themselves into oblivion.
It’s awesome if you try.
Billy?
I get her point, it is a good one.
No, it isn't.
The government must have the right to require media to make public service announcements. Imagine the bombs coming and no media announcing it.
And this is a stupid attempt at false equivalence. There's a huge difference between the government requesting airtime for a public service announcement and the government requesting a social media company remove third party posts they disagree with, especially under the threat of regulatory action if they don't (which happened multiple times).
We need a better class of shills.
Well KMW decided that we all needed to stop freeloading so we’ll get the shills we deserve (at least until most of us get the boot).
You are blowing it out of proportion. The government does NOT have the right to persuade nor would it have first place even if it did.What about church and school and all the intermediary 'families' between the individual and the state.
Your view would mean that all legislation and executive acts would have to be reflective of not just ends but means to ends. I can support --- as Lincoln did-- laws that he was working to overturn . without having to read LIncoln's support of the laws as support for slavery. Do you see the impossibility of your claim?
You are for Biden's hated Disinformation Governance Board
Uh, no. Forced speech and expression is as bad as suppressed speech and expression.
In fact, they are one and the same because time and resources spent expressing one thing is that much time and resources not spent on expressing another.
Wish I had a beer for every time I heard the justices and lawyers mention "Compelling Interest". You'll always find government judges happy to tease out a "Compelling Interest" to censor unpopular or uncomfortable speech for our own (supposed) good. Wish more Americans found their "Compelling Interest" to speak freely, PERIOD. Of course the 1A is a hamstring on the government, as is every other Bill of Rights amendment. If you can't hamstring the government the people are never free.
Could the government try to persuade those platforms to remove that content?
Sure—PUBLICLY. Not behind the scenes with a gun pointed at the platforms under the table.
WORD
"The comment set off a media frenzy, despite that, once again, the comment, which seemed to refer to the auto industry"
Seemed. YOU ARE A CLOWN, Billy.
The fake news is coming from inside Reason.
This is just embarrassing. The direct quote stands on its own and someone would have to be smoking crack to think it's at all respectful of individual liberty. She's outright saying she doesn't like the idea of the government being "hamstrung" by the First Amendment. It's pathetic that a publication that, at least at one time, claimed to be libertarian, has any response beyond, "Yeah, that's the point." And, as if to double down, Binion tries to palm off a claim that an ongoing "partnership" (their words, not mine) between the government and the social media giants behind closed doors to control speech is just "persuasion". Finally, as if to prove he's stupid as well as evil, Binion compares Brown's direct statement of her views on the case before the Court with an obviously out of context reference to bad economic outcomes.
Do better, Reason.
I used to think some of the commenters here were a little too hard on the writers/ editors but I'm starting to come around to the idea that if anything, they were maybe too easy on them.
Do you think things are getting worse? It seems so. Napolitano and Stossel aren't around anymore to balance out the BS.
I thought 2016 was bad with the rampant drooling idiocy, but holy shit, they are going out of their gourd and he hasn’t even won the nomination yet.
If anything, we spoil them.
Fiona, Billy, Sullum, and TeenEmma have no business in this business.
Journalism really is the bottom of the barrel these days
agreed,but poor education doesn't see that 'hamstringing' is done to ENEMIES" horses.
Billie Boshevik jsut can't help it...total idiot who has grudges against certain folks who she blames for her own insecurity.
What doesn't she understand?
The entire fucking point of the Constitution is to hamstring government, that includes the 1A. I don't get the point of the article except to boaf sidez Trump's bloodbath comment. That would be odd because, according to the commentariat anyway, the only point of boaf sidez is to make Republicans look bad.
Poor sarc couldn’t help himself.
You made an intelligent comment.
Are you branching out?
He made half an intelligent comment.
I can’t help myself.
I assume you mean the second two sentences, since the first one probably went over your head.
You’re not capable of going over anyone’s head. Except the pedophile, and the morbidly obese pedophile.
Sarc was most angry Billy stole his thunder with boaf sides.
That would be odd because, according to the commentariat anyway, the only point of boaf sidez is to make Republicans look bad.
Was just yesterday I called out your use of boaf sides to defend democrats, like Billy just did. So weird comment.
No, the point of Boaf sidez is to redirect criticism away from Democrats.
It’s like you don’t even both sides bro.
Meanwhile we’ve now learned the FBI backdoor was set up to automatically delete messages after two weeks.
"Is it beyond the pale for the government to express what it believes to be true in seeking better coverage?"
No. But I don't think that the government expressing what it believes to be true is remotely comparable to the government asking private party A to suppress the speech of private party B because the government believes that B's speech is untrue.
It is not even that the government thinks B’s speech is untrue. It is that B’s speech is contrary to the government’s preferred policy. Whether or not it is untrue is of little importance.
No one says the government can’t put their own info out there to persuade the population to agree with them.
I think the narrative is just fine as the government should not be involved in persuading private companies to silencing a particular viewpoint. And that’s the actual context.
People in government have a distinct advantage in persuasion in that they can use force if you don't please them.
Man. It would be very embarrassing for you if someone pointed out how you defended censorship for years here. Claiming it a conspiracy theory the entire time despite being given dozens of links from stories to studies.
Yes. The only reasonable counter to speech you don't like is speech of your own. Suppressing opinions is not speech, free or otherwise.
Government is not a person, so wrong there. Government is whoever has the most power. and 'persuade' has a terrible actual history.The Gag laws that didn't allow Congress to bring up slavery. THe laws of the South that didn't allow preachers to mention Bible texts that implied equality of slaves. In a republic discussion is the only form fo persuasion. Read the Fedaralists and anti-Federalists .
THe laws of the South that didn’t allow preachers to mention Bible texts that implied equality of slaves.
No such passages exist, except to say that all humans are originally sinful and deserving of eternal Hell. There are certainly no passages condemning slavery.
The government, of course, does not have the right to punish someone criminally for the vast majority of speech. But does it have the right to persuade?
A boss cannot force a subordinate to share a hotel bed with him on a business trip, but can he persuade her?
I don’t know that the idea her concerns echoed Kavanaugh’s or Coney Barrett’s adds much weight to them. These robed lawyers at the very least should know how to better govern their wording.
A boss cannot force a subordinate to share a hotel bed with him on a business trip, but can he persuade her?
Get a load of the misogynistic bigot over here!
Why don’t you try again with either of these:
“but can he persuade him?”
“A boss cannot force a subordinate to share a bed with her”
Yeah, because that happens a lot.
You can’t turn on the tv without seeing a pair of he’s or a #bossbitch these days.
There's a more sensible view over at the Volokh side of things:
https://reason.com/volokh/2024/03/19/justice-jackson-seems-to-be-charting-a-more-speech-restriction-tolerant-approach/
When the executive acts pursuant to legislative authorization under Article I of the Constitution, the First Amendment’s prohibitions apply.
However, when the executive acts based on its own Article II inherent authority, such as when the President acts as “Commander in Chief”, the President is not directly bound by the First Amendment.
Members of the military have extremely limited 1st Amendment protection and executive branch employees have various limits on their 1st Amendment protection.
Unless Congress passes a law and the then-current president signs that law or else Congress has a veto-proof majority, there is no restriction on the persuasion power of the executive branch.
There is no "persuasion power" in Art. II that I know of.
In any case, per the 9th Amendment, the fact that free speech and press are explicitly protected against Congress doesn't mean other parts of the government are permitted to violate those rights.
I never said it was an enumerated power. Get a grip, asshole.
So fuck the Oath of Office, huh Ed?
Trump did. Why not Biden, too?
Another silly unaware statement. The persuasion power of the Excecutive is what he can persuade (if he knows how to talk,which Biden does not) it is NOT his power of coercion and force against media outlets. You just abuse words. If Biden had his Disinformation Governance Board you would be in the slammer
Who the fuck are you? And why are you disrespecting my copy-n-paste from a Constitutional lawyer's article?
However, when the executive acts based on its own Article II inherent authority, such as when the President acts as “Commander in Chief”, the President is not directly bound by the First Amendment.
You might want to read that part:
The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States
It does not state the President is Commander in Chief of the entire nation and can order or demand private businesses or individuals to do whatever he/she wants.
What a stupid fucking response. Go away.
Give her a break guys. She's the diversity hire. Take everything she says with the understanding that everyone - including her - knows she's not qualified to and isn't supposed to be there.
Just smile, politely humor her, and don't ever put her in charge of anything important.
Brown-Jackson cannot tell what a woman is. She is a partisan. Don't try to tell us she supports the first amendment. It's clear she does not.
Imagine if Bush did this in 2004.
For the love of God, Binion.
Governments don’t have “Rights” and that is only the first problem with Binion’s nonsensical article.
Governments are granted certain powers by the governed. None of those powers include telling private citizens what is okay to talk about. It does not include funding Non Profits to start scare campaigns against advertisers on Social Media. It does not include staffing numerous desks with people whose sole job is to contact social media companies and tell them the content that should be removed.
This should be a no brainer for Libertarians. The government is not allowed to censor our speech. It is not allowed to hire a person who polices speech. It is not allowed to sub-contract a company to police speech. And it is not allowed to induce or coerce a company to police speech. They are the same act, regardless of who actually does the work.
This is a BIG FUCKING DEAL. This wasn’t some edge case of a politician running his mouth off at a campaign event. The Government was strategically funding Social Media companies and Non Profits to deplatform bad thinkers. It was dedicating staff to enabling this outcome. This should outrage anyone who cares about liberty.
But Binion doesn’t want to talk about that…He doesn’t want to make the case for liberty. No, like a good concern-troll, he allows that maybe the Brown is incorrect (but is unwilling to say so with any certainty). The big story here, according to Binion, is that evil conservatives are dunking on Brown for not being a Liberty maximalist. That may be a viewpoint worth exploring, I guess...if you are Slate.
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This article only seems to be missing the words "conservatives pounce" to make it a more blatant attempt to deflect from the real point of the matter.
Been my argument for a while now.
Government does not have rights nor does it need them. It only needs to be constrained.
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Billy, you ignorant slut, this was the first paragraph of your article: "My biggest concern," said Supreme Court Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson on Monday, "is that your view has the First Amendment hamstringing the government in significant ways."
There is no “narrative”, it’s using her exact words, IN FUCKING CONTEXT, to show how bad of a justice she is.
Jesus fucking Christ.
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"the point of the First Amendment is indeed to hamstring what the government can do in response to speech it may not like."
Something every 1st Grader knows but a Democrat Appointee given the almighty power of only 9-people throughout the USA pretends to not understand this...? BS
If there is one thing that is particularly clear about the political parties it's that the Democrat party HATES the USA and wants to conquer and destroy it for their utopian [Na]tional So[zi]alist Empire. It's not just Jackson there is an entire SCOTUS history with liberal judges flipping the Constitution (very definition of the USA) on it's head. The are some RINO'S that take arrogant stabs mistakenly out of good-intentions (like Alito throwing away a Constitutional right to a persons body rights) but Democrats are behind destroying the USA full-heart-idly.
And the only motivation possible is they have criminal intentions to STEAL from and ENSLAVE everyone. It's not just coincidence they are the Party of Slavery.
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Would the government have the power to restrain the speech of the individuals in question? No? Then the government asking others, even in a wink wink nudge nudge fashion with NO theoretical underlying threat is still not something the government can do. Now go fuck yourself.
Justice Jackson's latest silliness is: The Constitution's protection of free speech imposes a duty for the government at times to define prohibited speech as anything that was previously considered protected speech.
It is a parallel to her earlier claim that government has a duty to discriminate on the basis of race.
Is it too much to ask, if you headline an article, "'Hamstringing the Government': A Viral Narrative Distorts Ketanji Brown Jackson's Understanding of Free Speech", that some actual distortion be identified?
I'm not seeing any distortion here.
The very purpose of the Bill of Rights is to hamstring the government. To protect the citizens from the government and the tendency of the government to become tyrannical.
I hold the government to a higher standard than the average citizen. In other words I expect or demand that the government be more ethical, more transparent than the average citizen.
Unfortunately, the government is more often than not, much less ethical. The government is also less transparent than every other aspect of life and often actively obfuscates for nefarious objectives.
It is depressing that there is a SCOTUS member who is more worried about protecting the abuse of individual freedoms than protecting our individual freedoms.
^This x1000
Leftist says stupid shit: Reason’s Leftists find nuance and context to make the best possible construction.
Not-Leftist says stupid shit: Reason’s Leftists find the worst possible construction, ignoring any context or nuance.
Sarcasmic: BOAF SIDEZ!!
Can we disseminate information directly to rich kids along the lines of, "a how-to on hacking your parents' trust funds", or "how to successfully sue your parents", or, "how to use knowledge of your parents' illegal activities for personal gain"?
With useful knowledge like that would people still think the government should bud out with their advice?
KJB's line of questioning seems to be along the lines of setting up a "if we can have the nose of the camel in the tent for this one scenario, then how can you argue against having the whole camel in the tent?" line of argument. An exception which nullifies the rule by normalizing the exception. It is a very disingenuous line of thinking.
Her comments weren’t benign at all. In fact her comments fit right in with the “You can’t scream fire in a crowded theater” line that free speech restrictionists always use to limit speech. Given how many times I’ve seen writers at Reason complain about the Schenck case over the years, its astounding that a Reason writer is now defending this exact sort of comment.
Jackson would go on to say “so I guess some might say that the government actually has a duty to take steps to protect the citizens of this country, and you seem to be suggesting that that duty cannot manifest itself in the government encouraging or even *pressuring* platforms to take down harmful information.” (emphasis on pressuring)
These people always pretend and act like government is some neutral “benign” player that doesn’t have people in it with their own interests and biases. It’s an extremely disingenuous take, particularly coming from a former defense attorney.
stop defending her. She's a low iQ diversity hire bolshevik.
Most of the people complaining about the government talking (not forcing) to Meta and Twitter to cut back on the lies and false information from nutters and China/Russia trolls also support Trump's declarations that he will imprison journalists who oppose him and the irony is delicious LMAO.
^When reality fails there's always the land of ignorant imagination.
One of the biggest signs it seems of TDS is making sh*t up.
Knowing that over 100 people with whom Hillary Clinton has had business or political connections died under mysterious circumstances, if she asked you to do something both immoral AND illegal would you tell her no?
So the "DEI hire" who couldn't tell the Senate what a woman was because she wasn't a biologist, thinks the government shouldn't be hamstrung in exercising it's right to censor speech it doesn't like.
Boy, who could've seen that coming...?
What's been distorted about her position? She's leaning towards censorship.
Her scenario seems to be - in a crisis (like a once in a generation pandemic), can the government pressure social media to take down videos in the name of protecting the citizens?
This is an EASY 'no' for libertarians. If a video is a genuine national security concern, then you can file charge against the creator. The government has the first amendment rights to make announcement that dispute any misinfo. But it shouldn't have blanket powers to "pressure" private companies to drop 1A protected speech.
There is a difference between a politician calling a reporter to dispute facts about a story and the government urging youtube to delete entire videos or accounts. But in either case, the government comes from the position of power. They're not private individuals making mere suggestions. If the pandemic taught us anything, it's never to give these people more power than they need - just as Stossel suggests. How many "disinfo" turned out to be at least plausible?
This case doesn't exist because of misinformation published on social media. It doesn't exist because government simply said it disagreed with certain opinions shared on social media or complained that certain opinions were unfair.
This case exists because the government told the social media companies to remove information (and ban purveyors of that info) that conflicted the government's official narrative that turned out to be bunk anyway. When the government asks something like that, the "or else" is implicit. The First Amendment exists to prevent just that.
You can't make me care about this Billy.
The writer needs to look up the difference between "persuade" and "intimidate". Had the government just expressed its views to the social media companies, that would be one thing. But the veiled threats and the coercive payments to follow the government's directives are something entirely different.
The examples used to defend this freedom hating comment should also be illegal. No politicians should be "persuading" the press what to write.
Even if we give Jackson the benefit of the doubt and generous latitude on what the author "thinks" she meant; the fact that her first thoughts were of Gov’t carve-outs should worry everyone.
"Suppose a challenge circulated on social media concerning "teens jumping out of windows at increasing elevations," Jackson said. Could the government try to persuade those platforms to remove that content?"
Suppose a challenge circulated on social media encouraging teenagers to eat laundry detergent (or at least deliberately put it into a position to possibly get swallowed). Would a government which had the authority to request the removal of such content be negligent if it failed to do so?
If all of KBJ's friends jumped off a bridge, would she feel compelled to do so as well? What if the jumpers were people she didn't know in person but had some other kind of correspondence with?
The Supreme Court plays a very important role in our constitutional system of government. First, as the highest court in the land, it is the court of last resort for those looking for justice. Second, due to its power of judicial review, it plays an essential role in ensuring that each branch of government recognizes the limits of its own power. Third, it protects civil rights and liberties by striking down laws that violate the Constitution. Finally, it sets appropriate limits on democratic government by ensuring that popular majorities cannot pass laws that harm and/or take undue advantage of unpopular minorities. In essence, it serves to ensure that the changing views of a majority do not undermine the fundamental values common to all Americans, i.e., freedom of speech, freedom of religion, and due process of law.