Because 'Marijuana Is Dangerous,' 2 Inveterate Drug Warriors Say, 'Legalizing It Was a Mistake'
William Barr and John Walters ignore the benefits of legalization and systematically exaggerate its costs.

It will surprise no one to learn that William Barr, who made it clear when Donald Trump picked him to succeed Jeff Sessions as attorney general that he favored strict and uniform application of federal pot prohibition, and John Walters, who ran the Office of National Drug Control Policy during George W. Bush's administration, think "legalizing recreational marijuana" has been "nothing short of a disaster." Reason's Katherine Mangu-Ward already has ably rebutted their recent Free Press piece making that case. I'd like to add a few points about their approach to the subject, which combines valid concerns with strawman arguments, cherry picking, illogical inferences, reliance on dubious estimates, and tendentious interpretations of contested research.
Barr and Walters complain that marijuana legalization has "created the false perception that the drug is 'safe.'" They think refuting that false perception is enough to justify a return to prohibition. Because "marijuana is dangerous," they say, "legalizing it was a mistake." But the question is not whether marijuana is "safe"; it is whether marijuana's hazards justify the use of force to stop people from consuming it. Barr and Walters fail to seriously grapple with that question even in utilitarian terms, and they completely ignore moral objections to criminalizing conduct that violates no one's rights.
It easy enough to show that marijuana, like every other drug, has risks as well as benefits. But that banal observation is not enough to clinch the case for prohibition even if, like Barr and Walters, you ignore the claim that adults have a right to weigh those risks and benefits for themselves.
Alcohol, after all, is assuredly not "safe." By several important measures, it is substantially more dangerous than cannabis. A lethal dose of alcohol is roughly 10 times the effective dose. Given the dearth of fatal reactions to cannabis among humans, that ratio is difficult to calculate for marijuana. But based on research with laboratory animals, it is more than 1,000 to 1. Alcohol abuse results in potentially lethal organ damage of a kind that is not seen even in the heaviest cannabis consumers. Alcohol is more strongly associated with violence than cannabis, and it has a much more striking impact on driving ability.
Alcohol is nevertheless a legal drug, which reflects a judgment that the costs of prohibiting it outweigh the benefits. It is not clear whether Barr and Walters disagree with that judgment, since they do not mention alcohol at all. In fact, they seem keen to avoid any interdrug comparisons that might undermine the premise that marijuana should be banned because it is especially dangerous.
Barr and Walters warn that "THC, the psychoactive component in cannabis, produces a high by altering brain chemistry and interfering with the nervous system's normal functioning." The same could be said of any psychoactive substance. That description tells us nothing about marijuana's relative hazards.
Back in 1988, Francis Young, the Drug Enforcement Administration's chief administrative law judge, deemed such comparisons relevant in assessing how marijuana should be classified under the Controlled Substances Act. "Marijuana, in its natural form, is one of the safest therapeutically active substances known to man," he observed. "There are simply no credible medical reports to suggest that consuming marijuana has caused a single death."
By contrast, it was well-established that both over-the-counter and prescription drugs could kill people when consumed in large doses. For aspirin, Young noted, the ratio of the lethal dose to the effective dose was about 20 to 1, while the ratio for many prescription drugs, such as Valium, was 10 to 1 or even lower. With marijuana, he said, that ratio "is impossible to quantify because it is so high."
Barr and Walters would have us believe that Young's assessment is outdated because today's "hyperpotent marijuana" is radically different from the drug that had been studied at the time. Yet the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) recently echoed Young's basic point.
Explaining its rationale for rescheduling marijuana, HHS noted that "the risks to the public health posed by marijuana are low compared to other drugs of abuse," such as heroin (Schedule I), cocaine (Schedule II), benzodiazepines like Valium and Xanax (Schedule IV), and alcohol (unscheduled). Although "abuse of marijuana produces clear evidence of harmful consequences, including substance use disorder," it said, they are "less common and less harmful" than the negative consequences associated with other drugs. It concluded that "the vast majority of individuals who use marijuana are doing so in a manner that does not lead to dangerous outcomes to themselves or others."
This does not mean increased potency poses no challenges. As anyone who was accustomed to smoking an entire joint or bowlful of crappy pot in college could testify, the high-THC strains and concentrates available in state-licensed pot stores require more caution. For occasional consumers, a few puffs is generally enough. But in a legal market, consumers can make that adjustment based on readily available information as well as personal experience. It is not different in kind from the dosing decisions that millions of Americans make when they consume alcoholic beverages that vary widely in potency.
Instead of considering the typical behavior of cannabis consumers, as HHS did, Barr and Walters focus on problem users. "It's conservatively estimated that one in three people who use marijuana become addicted," they aver, linking to a page of information from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). "One study estimated that approximately 3 in 10 people who use marijuana have marijuana use disorder," the CDC says.
The CDC is referring to a 2015 JAMA Psychiatry study based on data from the National Epidemiologic Survey on Alcohol and Related Conditions. The researchers compared survey results from 2012–2013 to survey results from 2001–2002. Inconveniently for Walters and Barr, who argue that legalization has led to an explosion in problematic use, the analysis found that "the prevalence of marijuana use disorder among marijuana users decreased significantly" during that period, from 35.6 percent to 30.6 percent. Although the first state-licensed recreational dispensaries did not open until 2014, 17 states and the District of Columbia had legalized medical use by 2013, and some of those laws (such as California's) were permissive enough that pretty much anyone could obtain the requisite doctor's recommendation.
Barr and Walters equate the survey-based definition of "marijuana use disorder" with addiction. But the former term encompasses a wide range of problematic behavior, including "abuse" as well as "dependence."
The JAMA Psychiatry study defined "abuse" as meeting one or more of four criteria: 1) "recurrent substance use resulting in a failure to fulfill major role obligations at work, school, or home"; 2) "recurrent substance use in situations in which it is physically hazardous"; 3) "recurrent substance-related legal problems"; and 4) "continued substance use despite having persistent or recurrent social or interpersonal problems caused or exacerbated by the effects of the substance."
These are all problems, but they are problems of different kinds, and they do not necessarily signify addiction as that term is generally understood. If someone swam, drove, or hiked a mountain trail while high a couple of times, for example, that could be enough to qualify for the "abuse" label under the second criterion.
The study defined "dependence" as meeting three or more of six criteria: 1) tolerance, 2) taking the substance "in larger amounts or over a longer period than intended," 3) "a persistent desire or unsuccessful efforts to cut down or control substance use," 4) spending "a great deal of time" on "activities necessary to obtain the substance, use the substance, or recover from its effects," 5) forgoing or reducing "important social, occupational, or recreational activities…because of substance use," and 6) continuing use "despite knowledge of having a persistent physical or psychological problem that is likely to have been caused or exacerbated by the substance."
Now we are getting closer to the conventional understanding of addiction. But equating any three of these criteria with addiction is still questionable. If a regular marijuana user found that he needed a larger dose to achieve the same effect, sometimes went one toke over the line, and decided to get high instead of going out with friends, for example, he could be deemed "dependent" under this test. More generally, critics of applying psychiatric diagnoses based on survey responses have noted that such data may result in overestimates because they neglect "clinical significance."
Despite these limitations, Barr and Walters conflate dependence/addiction with a much broader category of marijuana-related problems, and they deem the resulting estimate "conservative." That one-in-three past-year estimate is much higher than the lifetime dependence risk that a 1994 study calculated based on the National Comorbidity Survey: 9 percent for cannabis, compared to 32 percent for tobacco, 23 percent for heroin, 17 percent for cocaine, and 15 percent for alcohol. It is also at odds with a detailed 2010 analysis in The Lancet, which found that the dependence risks for marijuana and alcohol were similar while rating the overall harm attributable to alcohol more than three times as high.
I have just devoted half a dozen paragraphs to one dubious claim out of many in the Barr and Walters piece. As Mangu-Ward notes, they also gloss over the vigorous debate about the nature of the connection between marijuana and psychosis, ignore countervailing evidence regarding the alleged impact of marijuana on IQ, and erroneously equate any level of THC in a driver's blood with impairment.
Barr and Walters cite the persistence of black-market marijuana in states such as California as evidence that legalization cannot work when it is actually evidence that high taxes and burdensome regulations make it hard for licensed businesses to compete with unauthorized dealers. They likewise blame burglaries and robberies of dispensaries on legalization when the actual problem is the barriers to financial services created by continued federal prohibition, which force those businesses to rely heavily on cash.
Barr and Walters note that marijuana smoke contains "many of the same toxic and carcinogenic chemicals" as tobacco smoke, falsely implying that it is equally carcinogenic. In addition to differences in the composition of marijuana and tobacco smoke, the dose has to be considered: Given typical patterns of use (say, an occasional joint vs. a pack a day), cigarette smokers are exposed to much higher amounts of toxins and carcinogens than marijuana smokers. And Barr and Walters do not even acknowledge smoke-free alternatives such as vaping and edibles.
Barr and Walters cite increases in "marijuana-related ER visits" without considering how legalization might affect people's willingness to seek treatment or to identify themselves as cannabis consumers. They mention increases in "adolescent cannabis abuse" during "the past two decades" without acknowledging the lack of evidence that legalization has increased underage consumption.
Taking a stab at cost-benefit analysis, Barr and Walters cite a laughably bad Centennial Institute analysis that supposedly showed "every dollar of cannabis-related tax revenue [in Colorado] has been offset by $4.50 in costs due to marijuana-related traffic fatalities, hospital care, and lost productivity." In assessing the costs of marijuana use, such as health care expenses stemming from "physical inactivity" and lost productivity related to dropping out of high school, that report conflated correlation with causation. It counted tax revenue as the only benefit of legalization, ignoring the expansion of liberty and the boost in consumer satisfaction as well as the criminal justice and law enforcement benefits. Most egregiously, the study did not even attempt to measure how legalization had affected the negative outcomes it tallied.
Barr and Walters likewise see only costs from legalization, which they systematically exaggerate. "Greater marijuana use has contributed to the steady erosion of the civic responsibility, self-discipline, and sobriety required of citizens to sustain our system of limited government and broad personal liberty," they write. "A doped-up country is a nation in decline."
As Barr and Walters see it, "broad personal liberty" requires the state to dictate which psychoactive substances people may consume, asserting the authority to control their brains by controlling the drugs they use. That is a counterintuitive view, to put it mildly. Barr and Walters never even broach an issue that is central to this debate: When and why is it moral to deploy the threat and use of violence against peaceful individuals because you disapprove of how they get high?
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these people have never been high. I volunteer mi casa if they'd like to hang and find out some truth.
High? Those asshats have never been laid.
You are crude and Dill is stupid and that is an argument for drugs??
I'm an asshole. Anyone using me as an example for anything has serious issues.
And a vulgar one at that.
Alcohol is nevertheless a legal drug, which reflects a judgment that the costs of prohibiting it outweigh the benefits and the same is true about pot.
The reason why drug legalization fails in places like Oregon is due to numerous municipalities in Oregon (like Portland), and may be even the state government itself, taking up social or restorative justice policies that included literally tying the hands of the police.
The best approach to drug legalization is retributive justice since it enables government to prevent the initiation of force on the part of wrongdoers (drug users or not) against the innocent. This can be coupled with compensatory policies so the offender compensates the victim for the harm the convict inflicted on the people they preyed upon.
I don’t know how true this is but, many people in Oregon think the Cops are the ones deciding to ignore property crimes in an attempt to make decriminalization fail. I honestly don’t know. I am confident many are doing a bad job on purpose because all the defund the police talk. I’m not anti-police, but they need to get thicker skin and do their job.
Very likely the police are holding back due to state and local policies that tie their hands. The Sheriff of Maricopa County, Paul Penzone, resigned recently citing a consent decree imposed on his department when Joe Arpaio was in office.
These anti-police measures are just a way to set up federalizing police forces across the country and that stands to make us all less safe. If people want safe streets and low crime rates, you have to give cops the tools they need to stop it (including immunity).
Anti-police issues are actually happening BECAUSE the FBI is NOT doing its job. Violation of civil rights under color of authority (law) involves not only police but any government agent or employee.
The FBI is tasked with this job and CONGRESS has passed 18 USC 241 and 18 USC 242 with makes it very clear that any agent of government of police officer that violates any civil right MUST be imprisoned for a minimum of 5 years.
More than 5 times in my life I have had my civil rights violated by government agents and police. That means that those persons should have done a combined 25 years to LIFE depending upon circumstances.
The way they will federalize law enforcement is by NOT ENFORCING the law.
I disagree. Anti-police issues come up because many times people don't like being held responsible for their actions. For years libertarian outlets (like Reason) and, more recently, media outlets along with their talking heads passed off criminals charged with drug offenders as non-violent.
What the intelligencia would purposely not talk about are the other crimes said offenders are held responsible for which often involve violence. The tie between people who participate in facilitating illegal drug markets very often involve other violent activities and in very few cases were the people charged with drug crimes were not non-violent individuals.
This being said I am curious about what were the circumstances that resulted in your civil rights being violated? On the surface it is unfortunate, but a recent example involving a guest on Joe Rogan's show named Sheldon Johnson who claimed he was reformed and even held as a model individual until body parts of someone he murdered were found in Johnson's refrigerator.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/07/nyregion/sheldon-johnson-queens-defenders-murder.html
So charge them for the violent acts then.
Assault and battery are crimes.
Using an arbitrarily banned substance is a vice.
Vices are not crimes.
The defund the police crowd is mainly anti-police because they think (and it is often true) that the police unfairly treat people from minority groups.
If the cops didn't act like a fucking gang then the defend the police movement wouldn't have any steam.
I don't go out of my way to make friends and keep in contact with them over the years like most people. Still I have a disturbingly high percentage of people I've known who have had very negative interactions with the police. Most of the people I've known are sour cream white. Not even darkly tanned. Still most have had at least one bad interactions with cops.
So no wonder so many are willing to believe cops are doing naughty shit. They likely have heard a lot of bad cop stories from people they know.
You know, I was about to post a serious reply but then I reread you pile of shit and realized I could get Jesus Christ to tell you legalization is the right thing to do and you wouldn't change your tune. So I just posted this.
"The FBI is tasked with this job and CONGRESS has passed 18 USC 241 and 18 USC 242 with makes it very clear that any agent of government of police officer that violates any civil right MUST be imprisoned for a minimum of 5 years."
The FBI is worse than most when it comes to violating your rights.
Portland police arrest a lot of people.
Portland DA lets them go.
It failed because the drugs are still being provided through the black market.
It failed because shitty criminal addict behavior is coddled. You can’t have legalization without holding drug users accountable for such criminal behavior.
You can't have a civilization without holding real offenders accountable for their criminal acts.
Exactly. If we did that then legalizing drugs, at least for the most part, wouldn’t be such a huge problem. Freedom only works if it goes hand in hand with accountability.
Word!
Freedom requires personal responsibility.
The "Black Market" exists because the Democrats who "legalize" drugs only want the tax revenues from them and to enrich their politically connected friends. This enables the "Black Market" to sell them cheaper and still make a profit.
To literally tie the hands would be to tie their physical hands.
Watch the commenters memory hole his being Trump’s AG. They’ll remember they aren’t on good terms now, but only because Barr called out Trump’s stolen election lies.
And Barr was wrong about that. Democrats have a history of stealing elections that stretches back hundreds of years to the days of Tammany Hall under William "Boss" Tweed. Don't forget Chicago and Detroit's Democrat machines too.
Regardless of how you feel about Trump, he raised a valid point about the system being rigged since the left has made vote fraud into an artform. Furthermore, Trump is in possession of a binder that has proof that U.S. intelligence agencies aided in the election fraud and is filing lawsuits based on the content. That is the reason why Mar-a-Lago was raided and the Deep State is obviously panicked at the prospect of Trump exposing all of this.
>>And Barr was wrong about that.
like everyone I'm sure he was forced to rethink his principles once approached in the proverbial parking garage.
Perhaps the all time classic, near the start of LBJ's ascension to the throne:
The runoff vote count, handled by the Democratic State Central Committee, took a week. Johnson was announced the winner by 87 votes out of 988,295, an extremely narrow margin of victory. However, Johnson's victory was based on 200 "patently fraudulent" ballots reported six days after the election from Box 13 in Jim Wells County, in an area dominated by political boss George Parr. The added names were in alphabetical order and written with the same pen and handwriting, following at the end of the list of voters.
Landslide Lyndon!
Donkeys have been stealing elections for decades.
I think you really misunderstand what most commenters here think about Trump and his administration. The problem is that Trump is accused of so many things, that there isn't even time to address all the claims that are bullshit and get to the legitimate complaints. Go back to comments during the Trump admin and I don't think you will see a lot of people saying nice things about Bill Barr.
Or Sessions.
Forget about how many, just look back at WHEN the FIRST demands to impeach happened. WHEN HE WON THE PRIMARY it was already being touted as the next move.
Then came the STEELE dossier. Literally, Hillary Clinton and her cohorts hired a FOREIGN SPY to create a false document (well documented and proven false) to cause an uprising by the left and move forward with a secondary approach to impeachment.
There has never been a president that was attacked so brutally, so viciously, with so much virtual and vile in the history of the USA.
It was the DEMS that attempted to overthrow the rightful government NOT TRUMP.
Bill Barr under Trump ended the DOJ policy of prosecuting and imprisoning medical marijuana users in states where it was legal. Far more libertarian than the Obama administration who put state legal marijuana users in federal prisons for 8 fucking years. Actually one of the better things Trump accomplished but now forgotten by libertarians.
How do you know they're lies when Barr refused to investigate?
You make the point that they were called lies, many of the claims were not. I have no idea who got the most votes but laws were broken and shady practices used. Case in point blocking windows so observers could not watch the counting, counting without pole watchers, both may not be crimes but they cast suspicion. Then there were the real crimes of violating court orders. A judge in Philadelphia ordered them to allow pole watchers access to counting, the pole refused and continued counting with out them. Anyone who followed this election knows there were many more discrepancies. The refusal of congress to investigate this says something was wrong.
Who is doing that? Trump had bad luck/judgement in this area. Barr’s predecessor Sessions was even worse.
No one is pretending otherwise.
Yes, his problem was that he attempted to allow deeply rooted people to rise. He needed to find people that had ability and no history.
He learned some painful lessons. I’m hoping that a second Trump presidency will bring just that. Perhaps an AG tapped from the state level, with no ties to DC.
He was given to Trump by the Republican Party, as was his predecessor, to specifically case problems in the administration by being against everything Trump wanted to do that wasn't in line with GOP plans.
I’m sure if that’s true he will provide evidence.
There is a lot but ultimately evidence really isn't needed when it comes to election fraud. There are numerous cases where judges have overturned or outright stopped elections even on the possibility of cheating in elections.
However, because it involved Donald Trump or Kari Lake, the courts took logical legal leaps to achieve their goal of trying to stop them. The real injustice are the numerous conservative and libertarian attorneys being driven out of the legal profession. It has been ratcheted up since 2020.
“…he favored strict and uniform application…”
Uniform application of the law in general should be the goal. It doesn’t have to be strict (unless you’re into that kind of thing, nttawwt).
Until the FBI begins to do its duty and investigate ALL violations of civil right under color of authority, and to cause prosecution under 18US 241 and 18US 242 this will continue ad nauseam.
About 15 years ago John Walters was on the Daily Show with John Stewart. This is a pretty accurate transcript of how it started...
Stewart : "Can you explain to us exactly why cannabis is illegal?"
Walters : "It's for the children, John. Marijuana is illegal to protect the children. We don't want to send them a message that it's OK to smoke marijuana."
It's for the children...
Yeah, we believe you John.
Lol, yes, the myriad "benefits". Enlarging the perpetual underclass and increasing tax revenue (Reason is pro-blob, now!).
Pedo Jeffy is certainly pro boob.
‘Pro blob’. I’m sure the only boobs he’s interested in are his own.
Pro Moob
…and the comment section once again devolves into a tirade about how Trump was the greatest president. Nice job peanut gallery!
Reasonable drug policy is a platform plank of Libertarian politics. Sullum and Mangu-Ward’s rebuttals are sound arguments. When opponents of anything have to resort to hyperbole, loose facts, and an appeal to emotion, it is a klaxon warning that their fundamental argument doesn’t hold water. This is true regardless whatever idiot-in-chief happens to be calling himself the boss at any given moment.
Kudos to Sullum and Mangu-Ward for the well-thought out and well-documented rebuttals. It seems a shame that certain commentators can’t seem let go of their pet gripes even when the articles they comment on have nothing to say about their preferences for a dear leader.
The first mention of Trump in the comments was someone banging on him.
The only quibble I have about your comment is that the Libertarian position is that there be NO government drug policy, not "reasonable" drug policy.
Other than that, I agree with what you wrote about how the comment section has sunk into arguing about Trump on every single article. That's why I have 80% of the commenters on Mute.
The trouble (?) with those diagnostic criteria is that they could be applied to a lot of things other than drugs. For instance, working a regular job could be considered "abuse" and/or dependence.
No, it is the application where it goes wrong. A job is not a joint.
Abuse of language, sophistry, is the mark fo a poor and immoral mind.
Consideter that you couldn't jump from discussion of work to the danger of marijuana so why go the other way,.Respect truth , words,the people you speak to
But what makes the job different from the joint? Seems like you have to assume the conclusion to draw that distinction.
An organization posited criteria by which to distinguish "abuse", and others by which to detect "dependence". For those criteria to have credibility, i.e. not to be a result of question-begging, they have to be applicable to things other than the type they arrange to be "abusive" or "dependence"-producing. If it doesn't make sense to apply these terms to anything other than drugs, then they're just arbitrarily adopted terms to make it seem like something can be learned from them, rather than their just being restatements of a conclusion that was predetermined.
When and why is it moral to deploy the threat and use of violence against peaceful individuals because you disapprove of how they get high?
"Oh, that's easy! Because it's for their own good!"
No,wrong on 3 points
Yes, it is for their own good but that is irrelevant to it being for the good of society. Even the punishment of criminals is supposed to be for their good but only derivatively.
Secondly, You only have a) allow drugs, or 2) not allow drugs. If you are going to mock any choice then you lose the argument anyway.
Thirdlly, you misuse words, as one always acts against what is illegal.should al peaceful child abuser be allowed to get away with it.
peaceful child abuser
Really? Do you not see a difference between a pot smoker and a child abuser?
I doubt he does. He's got himself brainwashed to the point where he actually believes harm to society equals harm to an individual.
Terrific article, best on the subject in years. As with religion, all boils down to the fact that Barr/Walters hated the kids who did weed in school. Undisciplined behavior. Having fun because you only live once and the life of a choirboy is boring. All else is rationalization. As the article notes, a thousand things are dangerous yet legal. Clearly, potential danger isn't the legal standard. It's simply how Richard Nixon, and the voters he wanted to attract (such as the young Bill Barr), felt about pot smokers in 1971, and still feel by reflex about all Cannabis users.
But I'm not worried. They have already lost and ought to know it.
And the party kids like Obama and Harris and Clinton smoked weed like mad, but still refused to decriminalize it when they were in power.
That's because they're assholes.
Hey! I'm an asshole! The Obama's, Clinton's, Biden's and Harrises are flaming dick holes.
Try to keep that strait, bub.
Best in years because you rarely read 🙂
You give 4 of your own reationalizations and then say all else is rationalization,. You are pellucidly self-deceived. NOr is it logical to say that because he seems to have corrupt psychological reasons that his conclusion can't be correct. That is just illogical. You can a have a correct conclusion from invalid premises
Penguins are Communists
Communists don't participate in free elections
Therefore penguins don't participate in free elections
So if I find someone who doesn't fit any of your characterizations and they say pot is bad, you are undone. And you know I can 🙂
"Marijuana is equal to/safer than Alcohol false equivalence argument!"
*drink*
What is false about the equivalence?
You know what else was dangerous?
The demon rum.
You know what was even more dangerous?
Prohibition.
Illogical and bad data and wrong implication.
THe Catholic Church FOUGHT Prohibitoin the entire time.
and 'more dangerous' is not even a term with a referent !!!For some demon rum was their death, for others not,yet you say 'FOR ALL'
Eleven people die from water in a disease called "drowning" each day, on average. This should be more than enough to ban water, since no one dies from cannabis use alone.
4 errors
1) drowning is not a disease. 2), on average means that all side effect drownings are included,like a ship going down. 3) you can say "more than enough' when you ignore the fact that it is not enough, as you would have to admit. IF it were we would have the ban and you admit we do not. 4) you divide off drownings from cannabis use, which at least shows you have no sense of how to conduct an argument
Car Crash Deaths Involving Cannabis on the Rise
Between 2000-2018, the percentage of car crash deaths involving cannabis doubled -- and some ended up in a lake,with water ,and --- well, you see where this goes.
Smoking pot isn't a disease either.
I know Covid confused a lot of terms but disease is usually caused by an infection by a microorganism, such as a virus or a bacteria or an internal failure due to genetic disorders or substance abuse, like drinking booze can cause liver disease and smoking cigarettes can cause lung cancer.
That dastardly HO2!
😀
Barr and Walters are conservatives, and so do conservative things, like oppose drug legalisation. They will not have arrived at their opinion through a rational and reasoned consideration of evidence, and not would they consider principles of liberty relevant. Drugs are definitionally bad - though alcohol and tobacco are different from other drugs because reasons, and funding.
I believe that a deep dive into the resistance among some leaders to reforming marijuana laws would find it directly tied to the money from alcohol and tobacco. Alcohol producers in particular are likely to suffer a loss in business from legalized marijuana. Republicans in Wisconsin have held steadfast in even considering allowing medical marijuana use. It is also true that the Wisconsin Tavern League is a very power lobbying group in Wisconsin.
I have done a simple google search and it is unclear that legalized marijuana leads to reduced alcohol consumption. I don't think alcohol producers are likely to wait around for definite proof before putting up resistance.
I don’t think it would make much of a difference. The Venn diagram intersection between drinkers and stoners isn’t huge.
This is one area where intersectional is a good thing.
I would have guessed the tobacco companies are more worried than the alcohol companies.
Drinker vs stoner. Worst case.
Driving. Stoner might drive slow and get lost. Drinker might kill themselves and/or others.
Phone. Stoner might order a bunch of takeout. Drinker might tell someone what they really think.
Over consumption. Stoner goes to sleep with a full stomach. Drinker drowns on the contents of his stomach.
Which is more harmful?
In the early 1980s, I mailed my representative suggesting that marijuana criminalization was wrong because there is no victim of a crime involved. It seemed to me a medical question, not one of criminality…
To my surprise, he wrote me back. In his letter, he wrote that in countries where drugs have been legalized, there is a significant increase in dependence on the drugs and decrease in productivity overall.
While I disagree with him, I do see his view has merit. The question of whether the decrease in productivity being a harm to everyone is a compelling state interest can honestly be raised.
The congressman was Henry Hyde, a terribly unpleasant man. I was never a fan.
His argument had/has nothing to do with the safety of the drugs.
When people come up with such arguments, my response is to say, "in which case, if I can demonstrate that your rationale is not in fact true, will you change your mind?" Few people will ever commit thus.
Most countries where "drugs" are "legal" are third world shit holes where the cops can't keep up with real crime much less bullshit crimes like drug possession and small time trafficking.
In the rare 1st or 2nd world countries where some drugs are legal they are heavily regulated and the population is drastically different in attitudes and ideals than other 1st and 2nd world nations.
he wrote that in countries where drugs have been legalized, there is a significant increase in dependence on the drugs and decrease in productivity overall
Sure, those lazy Dutch! Haha!
“The JAMA Psychiatry study defined “abuse”…..”
Too bad they didn’t discover what abuse is; they just “defined” it. But defining is easy–“I define Fred as a chipmunk”–discovering is hard, for it requires some pre-existing understanding of what constitutes health for humans as humans. But that’s a philosophical inquiry and not a psychiatric one.
Barr and Walters are fundamentalist theocrats who conveniently ignore the US Constitution when it interferes with their puritanical intolerances.
These intolerant fundamentalist prohibitionists have spent the past three hundred years condemning (and burning) people as witches, banning alcohol, tobacco, gambling, opium, cocaine, marijuana, nudity, pornography, homosexuality, homosexuals, dancing, profanity, and business on Sundays (i.e. blue laws).
Conservatism, like Communism and Socialism, has vehemently opposed individual freedom and liberty, and other basic tenets of the US Constitution.
Very good piece by Jacob as usual. Just one question: where did the figure that 10 times the effective dose of valium is lethal? Death from valium alone is almost unheard of and certainly would not come from just 10 times the effective dose as far as I know. Can Jacob or someone cite a source.