Supreme Court Unanimously Rules That States May Not Disqualify Trump As an Insurrectionist
Three justices who concurred in that judgment accuse the majority of trying to "insulate all alleged insurrectionists from future challenges" by going further than necessary.

The Supreme Court today ruled unanimously that states may not exclude Donald Trump from this year's presidential ballot based on the claim that he "engaged in insurrection" by inciting the Capitol riot on January 6, 2021. "Because the Constitution makes Congress, rather than the States, responsible for enforcing Section 3 [of the 14th Amendment] against federal officeholders and candidates," the Court says in Trump v. Anderson, the Colorado Supreme Court erred by applying that provision to the former president and barring him from the ballot.
That conclusion is not suprising given the misgivings the justices expressed when they considered the case last month. The issue that drew the most attention during oral arguments was whether states have the authority to independently enforce Section 3 in federal elections. By focusing on that question, the Court avoids delving into the issue of how to characterize the Capitol riot or Trump's role in it.
Section 3, which was aimed at preventing former Confederates from returning to public office after the Civil War, says: "No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability."
The Supreme Court's per curiam opinion endorses the interpretation of Section 3 that Chief Justice Salmon P. Chase embraced the year after the 14th Amendment was ratified. Chase, acting as the circuit justice for Virginia, noted that implementing Section 3 requires determining "what particular individuals are embraced" by that provision. "To accomplish this ascertainment and ensure effective results," he added, "proceedings, evidence, decisions, and enforcements of decisions, more or less formal, are indispensable."
The Constitution "empowers Congress to prescribe how those determinations should be made," the Supreme Court says. "The relevant provision is Section 5, which enables Congress, subject of course to judicial review, to pass 'appropriate legislation' to 'enforce' the Fourteenth Amendment."
The opinion quotes Sen. Jacob Howard (R–Mich.), who explained during the debate over the 14th Amendment that Section 5 "casts upon Congress the responsibility of seeing to it, for the future, that all the sections of the amendment are carried out in good faith." The Court also notes that Sen. Lyman Trumbull (R–Ill.) said congressional legislation was necessary to keep former Confederates out of public office. Consistent with that view, Congress approved the Enforcement Act of 1870, which "authorized federal district attorneys to bring civil actions in federal court to remove anyone holding nonlegislative office—federal or state—in violation of Section 3" and "made holding or attempting to hold office in violation of Section 3 a federal crime."
This case "raises the question whether the States, in addition to Congress, may also enforce Section 3," the Court says. "We conclude that States may disqualify persons holding or attempting to hold state office. But States have no power under the Constitution to enforce Section 3 with respect to federal offices, especially the Presidency."
Federal officials "owe their existence and functions to the united voice of the whole, not of a portion, of the people," the Court notes, quoting a 1995 decision involving term limits. "Powers over their election and qualifications" therefore "must be specifically 'delegated to, rather than reserved by, the States.'" Yet "nothing in the Constitution delegates to the States any power to enforce Section 3 against federal officeholders and candidates." The terms of the 14th Amendment "speak only to enforcement by Congress, which enjoys power to enforce the Amendment through legislation pursuant to Section 5."
That reservation of power, the Court says, is consistent with the general thrust of the 14th Amendment, which says states may not "abridge privileges or immunities, deprive persons of life, liberty, or property without due process, deny equal protection, or deny male inhabitants the right to vote." It would be "incongruous," the opinion says, "to read this particular Amendment as granting the States the power—silently no less—to disqualify a candidate for federal office."
The Constitution does "authorize States to conduct and regulate congressional and Presidential elections," the Court concedes. "But there is little reason to think that these Clauses implicitly authorize the States to enforce Section 3 against federal officeholders and candidates. Granting the States that authority would invert the Fourteenth Amendment's rebalancing of federal and state power."
The last sentence of Section 3, the Court says, reinforces the impression that Congress alone has that authority. It "empowers Congress to 'remove' any Section 3 'disability' by a two-thirds vote of each house," the opinion notes. "The text imposes no limits on that power, and Congress may exercise it any time, as the respondents concede. In fact, historically, Congress sometimes exercised this amnesty power postelection to ensure that some of the people's chosen candidates could take office. But if States were free to enforce Section 3 by barring candidates from running in the first place, Congress would be forced to exercise its disability removal power before voting begins if it wished for its decision to have any effect on the current election cycle."
The Court thinks it is telling that the Colorado voters who challenged Trump's eligibility failed to identify "any tradition of state enforcement of Section 3 against federal officeholders or candidates in the years following ratification of the Fourteenth Amendment." States "did disqualify persons from holding state offices following ratification of the Fourteenth Amendment," the opinion observes. "That pattern of disqualification with respect to state, but not federal offices provides 'persuasive evidence of a general understanding' that the States lacked enforcement power with respect to the latter."
If the Colorado Supreme Court were correct in concluding otherwise, we would probably not get "a uniform answer consistent with the basic principle that 'the President…represent[s] all the voters in the Nation," the justices say. "Conflicting state outcomes concerning the same candidate could result not just from differing views of the merits, but from variations in state law governing the proceedings that are necessary to make Section 3 disqualification determinations." The upshot "could well be that a single candidate would be declared ineligible in some States, but not others, based on the same conduct (and perhaps even the same factual record)."
Justices Sonia Sotomayor, Elena Kagan, and Ketanji Brown Jackson concurred in the result. But they filed a separate opinion that faults their colleagues for deciding more than was necessary to resolve the case. They agree that allowing each state to decide whether a given presidential candidate is disqualified under Section 3 "would create a chaotic state-by-state patchwork, at odds with our Nation's federalism principles." That conclusion, they say, would have been sufficient reason to overrule the Colorado Supreme Court.
But the majority went further, they argue, by holding that "a disqualification for insurrection can occur only when Congress enacts a particular kind of legislation pursuant to Section 5 of the Fourteenth Amendment." That conclusion, they add, "shuts the door on other potential means of federal enforcement. We cannot join an opinion that decides momentous and difficult issues unnecessarily, and we therefore concur only in the judgment."
Sotomayor et al. argue that the text of Section 3 suggests the majority is wrong to conclude that candidates can be barred as insurrectionists only through congressional legislation. "Section 3 provides that when an oathbreaking insurrectionist is disqualified, 'Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability,'" they write. "It is hard to understand why the Constitution would require a congressional supermajority to remove a disqualification if a simple majority could nullify Section 3's operation by repealing or declining to pass implementing legislation."
Sotomayor et al. also suggest that the majority opinion misrepresents Trumbull's position on Section 3. The majority, they say, "neglects to mention the Senator's view that '[i]t is the [F]ourteenth [A]mendment that prevents a person from holding office,' with the proposed legislation simply 'affor[ding] a more efficient and speedy remedy' for effecting the disqualification."
The majority's position "forecloses judicial enforcement of [Section 3], such as
might occur when a party is prosecuted by an insurrectionist and raises a defense on that score," Sotomayor et al. write. "The majority further holds that any legislation to enforce this provision must prescribe certain procedures 'tailor[ed]' to Section 3, ruling out enforcement under general federal statutes requiring the government to comply with the law."
By resolving a question it did not need to reach, "the majority attempts to insulate all alleged insurrectionists from future challenges to their holding federal office," Sotomayor et al. say. "It reaches out to decide Section 3 questions not before us, and to foreclose future efforts to disqualify a Presidential candidate under that provision. In a sensitive case crying out for judicial restraint, it abandons that course."
Justice Amy Coney Barrett also wrote a separate opinion concurring in the judgment. "I agree that States lack the power to enforce Section 3 against Presidential candidates," she says. "That principle is sufficient to resolve this case, and I would decide no more than that. This suit was brought by Colorado voters under state law in state court. It does not require us to address the complicated question whether federal legislation is the exclusive vehicle through which Section 3 can be enforced."
At the same time, Barrett implicitly rebukes Sotomayor et al. for "amplify[ing] disagreement with stridency." The Court "has settled a politically charged issue in the volatile season of a Presidential election," she writes. "Particularly in this circumstance, writings on the Court should turn the national temperature down, not up. For present
purposes, our differences are far less important than our unanimity: All nine Justices agree on the outcome of this case. That is the message Americans should take home."
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"We cannot join an opinion that decides momentous and difficult issues unnecessarily"
Of course, the Democrat-appointed Justices COULD join such an opinion with which they agreed. Their excuses are getting thinner and thinner over time as the partisan motivations of their decisions and rulings become more and more obvious. The Supreme Court has not hesitated to legislate from the bench and engage in proactive social engineering projects over the decades when the progressivists held the majority.
Of course, the Democrat-appointed Justices COULD join such an opinion with which they agreed.
Uh, they did agree with the judgement of the decision. They did not agree with the opinion going farther than was necessary to decide the case.
We had to knock out some of the lawless democrat bullshit.
I was impressed with the fact that the full court stood together on this. All of them could see the coming nightmare of each state picking and chosing which candidates could appear on their ballot based on the actions of those politicians if the state court rullings were allowed to stand.
Yeah, I was expecting anything from 6-3 to 8-1. Count me impressed as well.
NO, They explicitly DID NOT agree with the decision they claim decided issues unnecessarily. You clearly DO NOT understand the QUOTE from their dissent, or even the fact it IS a quote.
I don't know why you and others call Sotomayor, Kagan and Jackson or Barrett "dissenters". They don't dissent, they add specifications in concurrent opinions. You could use the expression "disagreements of the concurrence"... but a dissent is when you oppose the Judgement. All nine Justices agreed with the Judgement.
Cry harder, Sullum.
-jcr
I know, isn't that the truth?! Along with 90% of the Reason staff. They are all whiny progtards. Cry harder, beotches!
What's he crying about?
I saw very little of the author's opinions in the article. It was mostly legal quotes and historical quotes. I went back to read it again becuase I admit my eyes were fogging over on the first pass.
I think some conservatives here are just pissed that Reason doesn't embrace Donald Trump like that proverbial prodigal son. They liken anyone who doesn't want Trump to win in 2024 to a hard core leftist. It's getting a bit old. I can't wait for the subscription only access to the comments section. I doubt many of them will be willing to support the website and I say let the door hit them on the ass as they leave.
Because Sullum has been a hypocritical leftist in the entirety of his coverage. He takes the regime or Democrat side in every instance with absolutely zero attempt to square his double standards. When he has nothing but the absolute ruin of his narrative he pretends to neutrality in the context that the result is unfortunate.
He doesn't seem to have done so in this article. Maybe give him a little praise when he does better instead of continuing to complain about the past.
Trying to think of a way he could. I think he was just stymied by the fact it was unanimous.
That’s not exactly my problem with the Reason staff. I really can’t blame anyone for not being a Trump fan. I didn’t vote for him in 2016, but I did in 2020. No, my problem was with how fast and loose so much of the staff was willing to play with libertarian principles and assumptions to oppose him. They were willing to gloss over due process in the impeachments (“it’s a political matter”), accept the word of the security state at face value and dance around wildly inappropriate treatment of Trump supporters. If you doubt what I’m saying, try to imagine half their Trump stories substituting “Tyrone, the suspected inner city drug dealer” for Donald Trump. Do you really think their arguments wouldn’t be different? If you’re going to claim to be a libertarian, you can’t restrict yourself to being one when it helps guys you like and causes you support.
Trump’s staff was too busy playing fast and loose to cook his books and copy his donor’s briefs into policy to have time left over for
” libertarian principles and assumptions ” .
It was a triumph of venality over ideology worthy of Huey Long, but nobody on staff here seems to think back that far, let alone read Henry Adams !
Do you really think you’re scoring some sort of point here? “We know he’s a crook and he isn’t part of our tribe.” isthe sort of idiot excuse to justify government oppression I’d expect from a Sean Hannity.
You are literally me ha. Same no Trump 2016/Trump 2020. And you hit the big problem with the Reason staff. It wasn't libertarian to oppose everything he did. Sure he did some very unlibertarian things, and for that they did hit him correctly on. But so much of the other stuff, especially the impeachment, was libertarian to support him, not oppose him.
I think really it comes down to the are mostly left libertarian, and think murdering babies in wombs and taking their liberty is libertarian.
“Tyrone, the suspected inner city drug dealer”...
It's March! 11 days to St Patrick's Day! Lay off the Irish guy!
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It’s March! 11 days to St Patrick’s. Lay off the Irish guy!
Keith Olbermann calls for the Supreme Court to be dissolved.
https://twitter.com/KeithOlbermann/status/1764672353378652544
And it's not the first time. Leftists throw an absolute tantrum every time the court rules against them. Adults back in charge and all.
https://twitter.com/KeithOlbermann/status/1539983585406484480
Also dem politicians like AOC.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/2899287/we-need-to-go-after-the-supreme-court-aoc-calls-for-an-investigation-into-the-institution-itself/
“the influence of dark money in creating a government that works against the American people, the majority of the American people,”
Gosh, Alexandria, that sounds terrible, but something tells me you won't like what you find.
Somehow, I expect she'd go into such a search with her Soros, Bloomberg, Unions, et. al. blinders on.
AOC is very stupid.
truly stupid
"influence of dark money in creating a government..."
We call this "projection."
While I am sure there are some exceptions out there, the vast proportion of Democrats suddenly concerned about Dark Money are lying hypocrites.
They've led the dark money funding since at least Obama.
Was the money donated to Hunter not dark money? It was kept in the dark a long time even though his old man was bragging about getting that prosecutor removed live on TV.
It's amazing that Olbermann can have any following these days, other than people who just wanna point and laugh.
He literally said in late 2017 that Mueller's case was airtight and Trump's removal from office was imminent. IOW he was completely wrong on the fundamental political question of that half-decade.
He wasn't even a good sportscaster.
I'm amazed that he pretended to like sports.
When he left ESPN and joined MSNBC he made both networks better though.
You know... Olbermann being Sqrsly does make a lot of sense.
I’m sure that most, if not all, of our resident leftist commenters are with Olbermann at least 90% of the time.
Gary Johnson agreed with what Bernie Sanders said 73% of the time.
That seems unlikely. How do you arrive at that?
Um, he said it.
“Of course I side with myself 100 percent of the time, but interestingly, of all the presidential candidates, I next side with Bernie Sanders at 73 percent,” Johnson said Tuesday on C-SPAN’s “Washington Journal.”
Foreign policy + civil rights + other social issues might be 73% of votes. 25% of issues being economic? I could get that, though it might be higher.
A Democratic Socialist would be in a different quadrant of the Nolan Chart from Libertarians, but not in the Hitler/Stalin quarter. Would adotring their policies eventually lead to the polity sliding into authoritarians? I'd think so, but not right away.
You cannot be socialist and libertarian at the same time.
I never said one could, though left-libertarians use the term as a synonym for anarchism. {Followers of Pierre-Joseph Proudhon, Mikhail Bakunin, Pëtr Kropotkin, etc.}
The left loves perpetually, consistently incorrect and loud people.
We have to suffer through monthly, if not more frequent, economic takes from Krugman despite the fact that he is not attached to reality and wrong almost every time
I can't believe anyone in 2024 listens to this clown. He's basically a man's version of a Karen
So, a hit with the box wine crowd.
I wonder what must be going through his brain when he throws out words like "dissolved". Constitutional amendment? Executive order?
And what would replace it, the tyranny of the majority in Congress? He'd hiss a pitchy fit to invent some court to safeguard the Bill of Rights the first time a Republican Congress zapped one of his pet diktats.
I just don't understand people like this.
"I wonder what must be going through his brain when he throws out words like “dissolved”"
A firing squad, probably. These people are unhinged.
Unhinged, indeed.
There is no way to remove the ultimate Court of Appeals from the judiciary. It is inherent in the Constitution to the point that you could not possibly extract the responsibilities and dissolve it through amendment.
So what he is really advocating is abandoning the Constitution.
Yes, he and a lot of his fellow progressives.
So what he is really advocating is abandoning the Constitution.
He's not alone.
"So what he is really advocating is abandoning the Constitution."
These terms are agreeable to him
Olbermann and his fellow travelers should be relocated overseas. Perhaps Somalia, or a similar shithole. Failing that, a landfill will do.
'And what would replace it'
Duh, a Democratic Central Committee, empowered for as long as Democracy! is under threat. That has worked for other countries, right?
Mobs of Progressive protestors swarming the Supreme Court building and breaking through the doors, after which they will be cited for trespassing and released.
And what would replace it, the tyranny of the majority in Congress?
LOL! Like Congresscritters would risk election by taking responsibility. Imagine permanent Chevron deference. Tyranny of the unelected bureaucrat.
"And what would replace it"
Top...men...
I'm surprised he hasn't called for their arrest if not line them up along the wall to be shot
Leftists throw an absolute tantrum every time the court rules against them.
I don't dispute that at all. But do you really mean to imply that conservatives don't?
Do you have any examples of anyone on the right side of the aisle ever calling for the SCOTUS to be dissolved?
People complaining about Roberts inventing a 'penaltax' as a justification to declare something novel 'constitutional' are arguing policy. People who want to change the entire nature of the court (stack it, abolish it, etc) every time things don't go their way are reacting like children. Do you not see the difference?
No, he doesn't, because he sees things (D)ifferently.
Oh, I get it. Keith Olbermann is all Democrats now.
No one said that. He is an example, though.
https://nypost.com/2022/07/11/majority-of-democrats-young-people-want-to-abolish-supreme-court-poll/
There are other examples of other people on the left making similar statements in this case and in others. Some already posted in this thread (AOC).
Many, many examples of people calling for Biden to increase the size of the court to give the liberals a supermajority. Olbermann (again) calling for the court to be dissolved after the abortion issue didn't go his way.
When Trump won in 2016, how many on the left said we needed to abolish the Electoral College? Several states actually signed a pact to disenfranchise their own voters if necessary to select the (D) candidate if they win the national popular vote.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/07/liberals-should-use-state-courts-to-check-the-supreme-court.html
https://www.cato.org/commentary/drastic-liberal-schemes-undermine-us-supreme-court-will-enable-authoritarian-presidency
https://www.vox.com/2018/10/12/17950896/supreme-court-amy-coney-barrett-mark-tushnet
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/06/29/fake-crisis-supreme-court-00104106
Hilarious how you switched arguments because your lie got called out.
Do conservatives in congress demand dissolution of the Court when they lose?
I really hope Olbermann is savagely torn apart by a pack of illegals.
Insurrection?
To Keith Olberdouche's discredit, he's getting his ass handed to him in the replies to his asinine comment.
Cry harder, Olberdouche, cry harder.
A sports commentator? Why should anyone care what such a person thinks re anything beyond that realm?
Democrats set the bar pretty low. Biden, AOC, Schiff, Pelosi, etc. are all examples.
Where does Olbermann want to live? The USSR under Stalin? Oh....tomorrow is Death of Stalin Day. My wife and I will engage in our new family tradition of watching THE DEATH OF STALIN tomorrow night.
Thanks for turning me on to that flick. Very funny; very dark.
O-H
Progressives say they support the Constitution.
Except for a few problematic parts, such as:
The Second Amendment
The First Amendment
The Tenth Amendment
The Electoral College
The Senate
The Supreme Court
who gives a shit what he thinks? a washed up sportscaster with a gay porn haircut!
Scratch a liberal, find an autocrat. Olbermann is as cunty as they come.
-jcr
At least it's unanimous. That at least is the most important part.
They can debate about the scope of the decision, but at least they all concurred on the question at hand.
If it had been a party line vote, it would have been all over.
yeah.. but what "future considerations" did Roberts trade to the Lib-justices in return for a show of 9-0
Why assume the left leaning members of the court couldn't read the same tea leaves or entrals as the right leaning members?
So Colorado and a few other hard left states toss Trump for some elusive charge of insurection. Then hard right states toss Biden for leaving the border open and for abandoning war materials in Afganistan. Moderate states toss them both. Then a bizarre mix of electors show up at the Electoral College and try to work out a winner from all that shit. Eventually it falls to the sitting House of Representatives to figure out a President and the Senate to chose a VP. Arguments about hanging chads or some such idiocy fall to the Supreme Court and they have a fistfight over who wins what.
MASS CHAOS! RIVERS OF BLOOD! CATS AND DOGS LIVING TOGETHER!
If there had been a longstanding tradition of states judging the qualifications of federal officers, the Supreme Court would have had to go fiurther.
It did not.
The states never reserved the power to judge the qualifications of federal officials.
But they have. When someone running for President is a foreign born citizen or not attained the appropriate age. Gorsuch himself wrote the decision in Hassan v Colorado.
Let me quote: Abdul Karim Hassan is a naturalized citizen who wishes to run for the Presidency of the United States. This even though the Constitution says "[n]o person except a natural born Citizen . . . shall be eligible to the Office of President." U.S. Const. art. II, § 1, cl. 5. After the Colorado Secretary of State informed him that his ineligibility for office precluded his placement on the ballot, Mr. Hassan brought this lawsuit asserting that the natural-born-citizen requirement, and its enforcement through state law barring his access to the ballot, violates the Citizenship, Privileges and Immunities, and Equal Protection Clauses of the Fourteenth Amendment.
--------- ----- ------ -----
But, as the magistrate judge's opinion makes clear and we expressly reaffirm here, a state's legitimate interest in protecting the integrity and practical functioning of the political process permits it to exclude from the ballot candidates who are constitutionally prohibited from assuming office. See generally Munro v. Socialist Workers Party, 479 U.S. 189, 193-95 (1986); Bullock v. Carter, 405 U.S. 134, 145 (1972).
End quote.
So you were saying?
Are you sure you're an attorney? Are you familiar with the constitutional requirements for the president? They are clear and unambiguous.
He might be. I’ve known some incredibly stupid attorneys. I once had a real estate attorney insist that a party A (a property owner) and Party B (a private investor) sign an agreement making a contractor (not a signatory to the contract) legally liable for the loan funds.
9-0 is pretty embarrassing for Colorado and Maine.
And the SC didn't even bother to address whether the non-charges were justified, since the state of Colorado had no power to act on them.
But how are there not arrest warrants out for the two people who tried to remove a leading opposition candidate from the ballot?
For what crime? I mean I agree with the decision but their action was criminal in what way?
Unanimously stupid!
Strictly speaking, all 9 justices have now given aid and comfort to an adjudicated insurrectionist, and in so doing have disqualified themselves from serving further as justices. Of course, when that case comes up to them (if any of them are still serving), how do you think they will decide it?
Parody?
Good. The proper way to prevent Trump from becoming President is to defeat him in November. Not throw him off the ballot.
(Oops, someone beat me to the Olbermann tweet.)
The court reached the right decision, but Sotomayor was right to criticise the majority for a broader ruling than necessary, and one which hence violates one of Roberts' standard approaches.
The argument that such an issue should be decided at the ballot box is of course readily refuted by the existence of S3 in the first place.
KJB can't define a woman, but we're expected to respect the nuance of her judgment in this or any other case?
She didn't write the minority opinion.
She couldn't join the majority opinion because she disagreed with it, so she joined this concurrence instead. What conclusion do you suppose that I should draw from this? That it went against her judgment also, but less?
The conclusion you should draw from this is that even partisan judges have some minimal level of embarrassment that they will not go beyond. Xhe wanted SO badly to throw Trump off the ballot in Colorado that xhe could taste it, but it would have proved xer to be the poltroon xhe so obviously is that xhe backed down. So a fool AND a cowardly fool.
Why do you assume that only the three minority judges are partisan?
facts in evidence
What facts?
I assumed nothing of the sort. I assumed that they disagreed with the "going further than necessary" for partisan reasons.
And you did not see fit to describe the majority's decision as arrived at for partisan reasons.
Nope. It was necessary.
Was it broader than necessary? This was obviously an attempt to use what at best can be called a technicality to destroy a political opponent, the stuff of a banana republic. By making a broader ruling they will hopefully put an end to such shenanigans and preserve the rule of law instead of having further attempts of such political bullshit.
Was it broader than necessary?
Yes. Read the decision .
SCOTUS, "States can't disqualify federal candidates under sec 3."
well then who can?
Sonia Sotomayor, Elena Kagan, and Ketanji Brown Jackson - "I don't wana talk about it."
The others - "Congress can enact legislation to make that determination."
It is obvious what the 3 dissenting concurrence want. I just bet shrike can't explain. Their complaints would lead to more chaos.
well then who can?
Again, the dissent is saying that that wasn’t the question before the Court, so they didn’t have to answer it, and therefore shouldn’t answer it.
The others – “Congress can enact legislation to make that determination.”
No, they said that Congress has to enact legislation for Sect. 3 to do anything.
If congresspeople were smart, they would take a limited ruling in Trump’s favor and pass legislation after 2024 that would clarify the issue. But now that SCOTUS has said that they have to do that in order for Sect. 3 to do anything at all for the federal government, there is no chance of that happening. Too many Republicans are going to be happy with the status quo of no one being limited for anything they did on and leading up to Jan. 6 to want to mess with that.
Had SCOTUS left the question open, then they would have to worry that it or a future Court might rule that someone that was at Capitol that day when they were young wouldn’t be able to run for Congress or something. Then, they could have been willing to pass legislation that would define insurrection more narrowly so that Jan. 6 wouldn’t qualify, but at least Sect. 3 wouldn’t be a dead letter.
I feel like you basically just repeated what I said, but in a snarkier tone. Except for this part. - "Court might rule that someone that was at Capitol that day when they were young wouldn’t be able to run for Congress or something."
Sec 3 only applies to those having previously been officers of the united states. Wouldn't apply in the hypothetical.
If states can't (they all agreed on that), who exactly does that leave that can?
Hint: It's not Mexico. It's not the town of Kennewick. It's not the New York Times...
BTW, JasonT20 is the slimiest pile of steaming lefty shit, willing to support murder of the unarmed to prevent, well, he's not really sure what:
JasonT20
February.6.2022 at 6:02 pm
“How many officers were there to stop Ashlee Babbitt and the dozens of people behind her from getting into the legislative chamber to do who knows what?...”
Sumbitch deserves a knee to the nuts at best.
Fuck off and die, asshole. Make your family proud.
You’re kinder to him than I would be.
then they would have to worry that it or a future Court might rule that someone that was at Capitol that day when they were young wouldn’t be able to run for Congress or something
As long as they include people on both sides of the barricades, I would be OK with that.
Had they skipped this part, then the Biden DOJ or someone is some federal court would have runoff to file suit to keep Trump off ALL the ballots, which would have led SCOTUS to answer the question that only Congress can do that.
Sure, they could have kicked that part of the can down the road, but to what end?
I want to see if you can even explain her criticism. I understand what it is and how it would be used if it was less broad like she asked. Do you?
Yes. In fact, one can simply C&P what she wrote - no need to paraphrase as it's so clear.
Although only an individual State’s action is at issue here, the majority opines on which federal actors can enforce Section 3, and how they must do so.
Which is broader than required to resolve the case.
The majority announces that a disqualification for insurrection can occur only when Congress enacts a particular kind of legislation pursuant to Section 5 of the Fourteenth Amendment. In doing so, the majority shuts the door on other potential means of federal enforcement.
When they need not have made any announcement at all because the patchwork argument suffices.
Got it?
That doesn't answer my request shrike. Was is the intention for her complaint. Youre avoiding it with non answers.
Explain what you think that criticism means. What would a less broad per curiam ruling allow.
I am still not shrike, you lying POS. And I answered your question, though you're enough of a dishonest and lying piece of Confederate-loving trash that you won't admit it.
Shrike, quit lying about being Shrike. And quit libeling Jesse.
No. You didn’t. You repeated a passage from it that didn’t explain what you thought it meant shrike. Youre incapable of working through a constructed argument.
At least you didnt throw in your usual antisemitism. And confederates are democrats like you support dumdum.
Or his hatred of blacks that don’t obey The Party.
The could have crafted the very limited ruling. Okay, so we've established that states can't do it. Absent the extra part, we'd be back in from of SCOTUS in a few weeks for emergency hearings after the Biden Administration or the DNC filed suit to keep Trump off all the ballots. SCOTUS bypassed that mess by pointing out their interpretation that only Congress can do it, others need not apply.
This attempt to ban Trump from the ballot was pure lawfare and banana republic bullshit. The SCOTUS ruled as they did to prevent further such lawfare and banana republic bullshit. In other words what they did was to preserve our republic from degenerating into a bunch of tit for tat lawsuits seeking to destroy opposition candidates. A narrow ruling would simply means more court cases that would need to be litigated all the way to the SCOTUS until the broader ruling was eventually achieved in any event. This ruling settles it for a good long time.
This attempt to ban Trump from the ballot was pure lawfare and banana republic bullshit.
Saying that the other side was going to commit massive fraud, such that the only way we could lose is because of fraud, and doing so for months ahead of the election isn't lawfare, but it sure is banana republic bullshit. Trump primed his followers to take the simple fact of him losing as sufficient cause to assume that it was because of fraud that he lost. It was totally setting up this as the plan: "Declare that I lost because of fraud and then look for 'firehoses' of accusations and rumors about fraud to justify discarding the official results."
You liberals are so fucking dumb.
Democrats are still claiming 2016 was stolen. In 2019 dem senators were warning about voter machines being hacked.
https://www.westernjournal.com/revealed-klobuchar-warren-sent-letter-warning-dominion-election-tech-2019/
They've already started the Russian hacking narrative for 2024.
That's (D)ifferent!
Hell man the Democrats still claim that the 1980 election was stolen because somehow HW Bush in the middle of a presidential campaign somehow snuck over to Europe and met with Iranian officials to strike a deal to keep the hostages until after the election ( this being the origin of the phrase "October Surprise").
You liberals are so fucking dumb.
I won't speak for "liberals", but I guess I am dumb for insisting on credible evidence that significant voter fraud occurred before arguing that results should be set aside.
Democrats are still claiming 2016 was stolen.
Obviously, Hillary conceding and not doing anything to challenge the results in court, not calling up the election officials of narrowly lost states to get them to "find" votes, not recruiting her electors to sign statements that they were the ones authorized to cast their votes for their states, not holding rallies urging her supporters to "fight like hell" or they "wouldn't have a country anymore," was claiming that the election was "stolen" from her just like how Trump made the same claims.
Nobody does false equivalence like Trump supporters.
JasonT20 is the slimiest pile of steaming lefty shit, willing to support murder of the unarmed to prevent, well, he’s not really sure what:
JasonT20
February.6.2022 at 6:02 pm
“How many officers were there to stop Ashlee Babbitt and the dozens of people behind her from getting into the legislative chamber to do who knows what?…”
Sumbitch deserves a knee to the nuts at best.
Fuck off and die, asshole. Make your family proud.
If multiple courts deciding in fact of illegal election changes made by low level dem elections officials doesn’t convince you, nothing will. But you liberals don’t give a fuck about facts.
Fraud has become so blatant that courts are not overturning elections from ballot fraud.
Youre like the Chapelle skit of the juror demanding R Kelly evidence.
Ruling after the fact that procedures were violated, or procedures used were not what election law required, huh? I didn't know that this would be proof that fraud had actually occurred.
I left my door unlocked once. I guess that means I got robbed, even though I didn't find anything missing or out of place when I returned.
The changes were made in violation of the law. Suits were made prior to the election and tossed on standing. Every vote that was counted in violation was fraud. Polling has nearly 20% of voters admitting to voting for someone else or having someone vote for them. 15% admitted to voting out of the district they currently lived. The democrats bragged about it in a times article for fucks sake. Now we have had multiple elections overturned based on the exact same fraud.
But please keep defending fraud like a good leftist.
Every vote that was counted in violation was fraud.
Oh, and I'm sure you'd say the same thing if Trump had won.
The changes were made in violation of the law. Suits were made prior to the election and tossed on standing.
I suppose you've never heard of this.
https://lostnotstolen.org//wp-content/uploads/2022/07/Lost-Not-Stolen-The-Conservative-Case-that-Trump-Lost-and-Biden-Won-the-2020-Presidential-Election-July-2022.pdf
Nice redirect from the evidence. Yes. I've been for voter security for decades. Both sides dumbass.
Now answer the claims as to the evidence.
I get you are holding tightly to your leftist tenets. But address the issues. You refuse. Address the recent elections overturned due to ballot fraud. You won't as you must defend the left.
Nice redirect from the evidence.
What evidence? You've stated that changes to procedures to account for the pandemic were illegal, and thus all of those votes are fraudulent. First, that requires making assumptions about how voter fraud occurs and that those changes enabled fraud that would have been caught without them. If you watched Reacher, then you know that in an investigation, assumptions kill. Second, you are ready to toss out hundreds of thousands of votes, if not millions, based on the possibility that some of them are fraudulent. No judge is going to order that, and in fact, judges did turn down Team Trump lawsuits demanding that.
And you've brought up poll results from a right-leaning outlet. So? I looked that up and it does note that some states do allow people to help others fill out or submit ballots in some circumstances. I don't know what states those are or what circumstances, so I can't evaluate how legitimate the help might be vs. taking advantage of people to cast extra ballots. But the point is that an anonymous poll is really, really thin evidence, if it can even be called that. Certainly it isn't evidence that the results of a particular state are tainted by fraud.
People do get caught committing voter fraud and prosecuted. That requires evidence, not assumptions and surveys. It requires evidence particular to the charges against that individual defendant. You don't put that defendant in jail for voter fraud without having clear and convincing evidence beyond a reasonable doubt. But Trump fans wanted the results of the Presidential election tossed out so their guy could remain in power based on rumors, assumptions, just straight up distrust of the other side. Evidence that would hold up to scrutiny in an adversarial setting like a court didn't exist. A setting where each side had to present their evidence according to well-established rules, where the advocates could be disciplined themselves for lying or behaving unethically, and where the evidence would be scrutinized and weighed by a neutral jury.
I get you are holding tightly to your leftist tenets. But address the issues. You refuse.
Demanding that evidence of fraud in 2020 to be convincing to people other than Trump fans is not a leftist tenet. If you don't want to be at all skeptical of what Rudy, Sydney, Dinesh D'Souza, and Trump claim about the election, that's your business. But you don't get to cancel official results with your conspiracy theories.
And I address any testable, factual claims you care to make. But since you make so few and mostly just spout rumors and assumptions, that I might have missed one.
Address the recent elections overturned due to ballot fraud.
This is the first you're bringing it up in this thread, so you'll need to be more specific than that. Also, you'll need to explain how it is relevant to 2020 or what Trump did to try and remain in power.
Nobody does election fraud like democrats. And you don’t fool anyone. You’re a liar and a Marxist. Without an iota of honesty within you.
Democrats overall, or just one or two? And it's not an article of faith that the 2016 election was stolen., It appears to be an article of faith int he GOP now that the 2020 election was stolen,
Further, that some Democrats might still claim that 2016 was stolen doesn't justify the Republicans claiming that 2020 was stolen - and rioting and attempting a major subversion of the electoral system afterwards.
But I guess you can't help the "they did it too!" bullshit defence.
Hey shrike. There are a lot of links above posted by Minadin. Being ignorant seems to be your choice.
Whats hilarious is that all your ire is against those who have done it continuously as you try to condemn only the person you hate. This is hypocrisy.
I think I copied this from Politco fact check awhile back.
Hillary Clinton
In 2016, 2.8 million more people voted for Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton than Trump, but she lost the determining Electoral College vote. During a September 2019 interview on CBS, she blamed her loss on voting restrictions passed by some states before the 2016 election and Russian hacking of her campaign that was later confirmed by a U.S. Department of Justice investigation.
Trump "knows he’s an illegitimate president," Clinton said. "I believe he understands that the many varying tactics they used, from voter suppression and voter purging to hacking to the false stories — he knows that — there were just a bunch of different reasons why the election turned out like it did … I know he knows this wasn’t on the level."
In an October 2020 interview with The Atlantic, Clinton said, "There was a widespread understanding that [the 2016] election was not on the level. We still don’t know what happened … but you don’t win by 3 million votes and have all this other shenanigans and stuff going on and not come away with an idea like, ‘Whoa, something’s not right here.’"
Nancy Pelosi
@SpeakerPelosi
Our election was hijacked. There is no question. Congress has a duty to #ProtectOurDemocracy & #FollowTheFacts.
Jimmy Carter
In June 2019, Jimmy Carter, the former Democratic president, said, "There’s no doubt that the Russians did interfere in the election, and I think the interference, although not yet quantified, if fully investigated would show that Trump didn’t actually win the election in 2016. He lost the election, and he was put into office because the Russians interfered on his behalf."
Bernie Sanders
Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders is an independent who has twice sought the Democratic presidential nomination. During an ABC interview in January 2017, he twice declined to say whether he thought Trump would be "a legitimate president."
"I think he’s going to be inaugurated this week," Sanders said. "I have great concerns, apparently Republicans do as well, and there’s going to be an investigation about the role that Russian hacking played in getting (Trump) elected."
John Lewis
The late Rep. John Lewis, D-Ga., said in January 2017 he would not attend Trump’s inauguration. "I do not see this president-elect as a legitimate president," he told NBC. "I think there was a conspiracy on the part of the Russians and others that helped him get elected. That’s not right. That’s not fair. That’s not the open democratic process."
Jerry Nadler
Rep. Jerry Nadler, D-N.Y., said in January 2017 that Trump was legally elected but an "illegitimate" president.
"He was legally elected," Nadler said. "But the Russians weighing in on the election, the Russian attempt to hack the election and, frankly, the FBI’s weighing in on the election make his election illegitimate. But he is the president."
Nadler’s reference to the FBI concerned then-FBI Director James Comey’s disclosure to Congress, 11 days before the 2016 election, that he was reopening an investigation into whether emails stored on Clinton’s personal computer contained classified information.
Maxine Waters
Rep. Maxine Waters, D-Calif., was among seven House Democrats who raised futile objections to the Electoral College count by Congress in January 2017 that certified Trump’s victory. They tried to argue that the election was tainted by Russian interference and voter suppression. They were overruled because none of their objections had required support from a senator.
None of this is news to me. That Hillary and several other Democrats have made statements that refer to Trump winning the 2016 election as "illegitimate" or tainted by Russian interference is well established.
But you also have to look at what those Democrats, and others, actually did about their belief that Trump's win was 'illegitimate."
Maxine Waters and 6 other House members objected to some of the Electoral Votes for Trump. They did so in the same manner as some Democrats did in 2000 and 2004. They did so knowing that it was nothing but a symbolic protest, as there wasn't even someone in the other chamber willing to do the same and force actual votes on it. Votes that would have overwhelmingly approved the count anyway.
I can wish that they had never done that in any of those years, as it set a bad precedent. The procedure in the Electoral Count Act for members of Congress to object to the counting of EVs was only supposed to deal with situations like what happened in 1876. That year, there were different Electors claiming to be the official ones chosen by their states, and it created a crisis where they somehow had to decide which Electors were the legitimate ones. In no election since then, has there been any need for Congress to resolve that kind of question. [The Hawaii example of Democratic Party Electors meeting and voting when the Republican had initially won occurred while a recount was still ongoing, I think. It also wouldn't have made a difference in who won the Electoral Vote.] None of the alternate electors for Trump could have claimed that they were the proper and legal ones for their states on Jan. 6, 2021. There was no dispute for Congress to resolve that day, so it should have been ceremonial duty for Congress to observe the official counting as the Constitution specifies. No one with any integrity should have been giving Trump supporters the impression that there was any legal and constitutional chance of him remaining in office.
So, the overruled objection in 2016 is the only example of anything that could have even theoretically resulted in Hillary becoming President that anyone did, legal or illegal. The rest was all sour grapes and partisan grumbling. That is far from true for Trump and his fans.
now do the transition integrity project
Cry me a river, TDS-addled steaming pile of shit.
If states can't impose term limits on federal candidates, why should they be able to find some other means of sabotaging federal elections?
Broader than necessary ... to do what? They cited the relevant case law and history of the Amendment. The Supreme Court has a long history of sometimes making decisions NARROWER than necessary and sometimes BROADER than necessary. The criticism here is just sour grapes.
The criticism is that its a consequentialist (with an attempt at textualism to justify the consequentialism) decision from a conservative majority that proudly say they are originalist. The political or even societal ramifications of a decision to an originalist DONT FUCKING MATTER. What do the words in the constitution say and what did those terms mean to the people who wrote them?
Are we so far removed from Bruen that people don't remember the pages and pages and pages of history and tradition? Reversing Roe v Wade ring a bell to anybody? Upending a precedent relied on from the 70s and what that would mean to half the population of the country DIDNT EVEN REGISTER. But now it does? Cmon.
It gave the power to decide back to the states. More federalism isn't the end of the world like they all pretended.
Are you sure you're an attorney? Which constitutional power granted the finding under Roe? Even liberal judicial heads understood the weakness of the ruling. Precedence doesn't change the constitution.
Are you sure you're an attorney?
What do the words in the constitution say and what did those terms mean to the people who wrote them?
I thought that was textualism, and that originalism was wider than that, delving into the history of the adoption of a constitutional clause or amendment, or of ordinary legislation?
There is nothing more precious than seeing a bunch of coping leftists trying anything in their power to salvage some- ANY- talking points from this judicial beat down.
They don't want to talk about how wrong the Colorado decision was. They want to skate past the fact that corrupt shills from the top to the bottom of Colorado's courts and executive branch were handed their asses by a unanimous court- that 100% of the court knew how dangerous this nonsense was.
This entire episode was an embarrassment for my home state, and for anyone who isn't a complete Blue Bobblehead. Not just that, it was the type of desperate, destructive act that you expect of a military junta, not enlightened democratic leaders. And THANKFULLY, the Supreme Court helped our country step back from the precipice of an abyss.
And so what do Jason and SRG want to talk about? A technicality. This is such a distraction. They are mad that the entire court sided against their preferred Tribe and so they are hyping the barest of distinctions in opinions. It is an absurdly silly thing for them to focus on, and they are only doing so to cope with their loss of face.
"And so what do Jason and SRG want to talk about? A technicality. This is such a distraction."
They're missionaries.
Don't forget windyctynotanattorney.
He should have to give the standard disclaimer that you hear in advertisements: "Not an attorney; spokesperson."
Not just the left, but their neocon poodles, too. Both are basically just saying, "who gives a fuck, my side is still correct."
Any national split that happens is going to be the result of these people refusing to ever take an L, even when they get one shoved down their throat, and then DARVOing when people who note the political double standard tell them to eat shit.
The decision was definitive, and should be applauded.
There is no reason to speculate on what the standard for removing a federal candidate from the ballot for insurrection ought to be -- the power was clearly assigned to Congress, and Congress alone.
What do you think the broader ruling means in effect shrike? Defend her criticism.
He don’t know. He’s just a dumb prog.
Obvious from his response. Since he won't answer...
This ruling puts all decisions on insurrection, both charges if and amnesty of, in the hands of Congress as clause 5 states.
What the liberals are complaining about is that this is not broad enough for a challenge under claims of insurrection. Their argument is essentially states shouldn't be able to protest, but maybe a lower level federal court could choose to remove someone under the amendment. Basically the 3 liberal justices want low level judges to have the lower granted to Congress. And we know low level federal judges are never political...
That was the crux of the criticism.
Of course. They’re always trying to manipulate things so they can ignore the law, and the constitution in particular.
I mean
"The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article."
Seems pretty cut and dried, and SCOTUS pointing out "Hey it's pretty cut and dried, don't dick us around with DOJ suits or anything like that."
Sotomayor does not seem to recognize the difference between Congress acting by a supermajority of both houses and the enactment of a new law revoking a statute (which requires a majority of both Houses AND the signature of the President).
Roberts will figure out a way to give B a win on the immunity thing.
Unanimously
This shows how clearly over the line that scheme was.
I figured it was in trouble when Kagan went after it with both barrels in the hearing.
The woman justices are correct here re this particular decision. The argument among them is entirely about judicial reasoning re the Roe v Wade overturn as is obvious from the first sentence of Sotomayor’s opinion.
“If it is not necessary to decide more to dispose of a case,
then it is necessary not to decide more.” Dobbs v. Jackson
Women’s Health Organization, 597 U. S. 215, 348 (2022)
(ROBERTS, C. J., concurring in judgment)
They all agree on that principle re Dobbs. The male justices do not agree with that principle re this case. They chose to make a broader decision that creates – as Sotomayor said – a bigger problem down the road where the SC is choosing to avoid future controversies by imposing a judicial opinion on Congress’ scope of action while they can. It is fundamentally very very anti-historical since that Sec 3 was specifically drafted to resolve a conflict between the executive (which had the ability to bypass the judiciary via pardon power) and the legislative.
Sotomayor and the pro-Roe anti-Dobbs justices chose to hold the male justices to their supposed principles of judicial minimalism. If that creates controversy by mentioning Dobbs v Jackson in the same opinion as this well so what. The SC hasn’t washed its hands of the abortion issue no matter what the anti-Roe majority – and more explicitly Barrett – say. Barrett too is correct re judicial minimalism – but a bit of a Karen or middle-child in trying to pretend that the role of a SC is to intervene for the purpose of calming things down.
I do wish that this opinion could have pointed out that the actual case in question is about a PRIMARY not a general election. Primary 'elections' are not about anything constitutional. They are purely states conducting and taxpayers paying for political party business. This opinion could imo lead to the notion that states no longer have any power to limit political party control over elections
I can't believe you thought that this was a good idea.
I can. Dividing the justices' decisions by sex is all you need to read.
JFFree does love to showcase his idiocy here. Many times daily.
Stopping an Iranian-style election system is a necessity.
I have no prob at all with the opinion here any ACTUAL ELECTION. The state got what it wanted from this case with the clarification that states have the Sec3 authority re state offices.
But a primary is not even a legitimate government election. It is internal party business paid for and operated on the government dime. There is no candidate at stake. There is no office at stake. But if this gets interpreted as - parties now can order states how to run primary elections - then YOU are the one looking for rigged Iran style elections.
So your argument is that states and elected officials should be allowed to decide who parties can select. Wow.
Parties can run their own elections if they want and if they pay for it. If they want the state to run it, for taxpayers to pay for it, with a way for the state to force voters into registering with that party, etc - then parties should have NO control over those elections. If you disagree, then fucking read sentence 1 above.
These were the secretaries of state deciding on eligibility retard. Many of the states don't allow write ins. Many don't allow 3rd party to be added to eligible names without an approved primary.
You should really read up on the various election criteria by state instead of promoting ignorance.
If there is one thing you can count on, it is JFear jumping in to opine arrogantly and confidently about shit he knows nothing about.
What part of Parties can run their own elections if they want and if they pay for it. are you not able to comprehend?
These were the secretaries of state deciding on eligibility retard.
No they weren't you fucking retard. The lawsuit was about state COURT deciding whether Trump would be on/off the ballot on 14th amendment grounds. The COURT created its series of cases to decide authority under state law (where the SC has ZERO authority to review) and to punch the holes that would move the case up to the SC for the 14A questions.
Obviously you don't understand the difference between a court and a SecyState because you're a fucking retard, and a partisan hack, and an inveterate liar.
More relevant to the real issue here - a couple weeks before those voters filed in state court re Trump, the state GOP filed suit against the State of Colorado in FEDERAL court to order the state to 'close' the primary. The CO GOP says they want to run a caucus (the way a party would organize and pay for its own elections). But they don't have the money, or the organizational skills, or the control of their own party to do any of that. They are a total clusterfuck. Run by yet more MAGA insurrectionists to boot (state-office level). So instead they want to force the state to organize and pay for internal GOP elections and close off those elections to only GOPers.
So the SCOTUS can't interfere in state law on who is eligible to run for office? Ever heard of the Voting Rights Act, Motor Voter or any of the Civil Rights Acts? How about SCOTUS ruling on voting districts? By your standard the SCOTUS has no say in any of that. A state has a certain amount of power about when, where and how elections are conducted but must still abide by federal laws and the Constitution.
All of those protect a right of US citizens. Obviously those rights are protected at the US level. That has nothing to do with this and you know it
JFree I have news for you, Trump is a US citizen and his right to be on the ballot as a candidate for POTUS was being infringed. The SCOTUS ruled 9-0 that Colorado was wrong on a constitutional question about the eligibility of a candidate for federal office. The SCOTUS had every right to step in. If the ruling had gone the other way you would have no problem with them being involved and you know it.
You get dumber by the post jfree. Trump has a right to run for president. The qualifications are in the fucking constitution. Democrats of 3 states tried to deny him those rights.
Is your argument that the secretary of state didn’t remove the names? Lol. Yes it went through the courts. But the SoS made primary determination you ignorant retard.
Who is the media interviewing today retard?
You are free to educate yourself on the various election rules of states. You won’t though as you argue from ignorance.
Jfree. Who does this article reference?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/12/28/maine-trump-primary-ballot/
What about this one.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/colorados-secretary-of-state-discusses-effort-to-keep-trump-off-the-primary-ballot
Haha. Jfear is salty today! Lookout!
The best part is that all of this is becoming less about trump and more about how vile and ugly the left and the dems are. All of your bullshit, from climate and covid panic to tranny insanity, border disaster, inflation is all coming home to roost. Oh, and your guy shakes hands with ghosts. Even the pink haired brigade is turning on him. And all of this is to say nothing of the moronic diversity hires that have been charged with bringing down one guy. Team blue sure can pick ‘em. Lol.
This is glorious. Imma borrow from red here and say that anything that is bad for your side is automatically good. Get ready for more good news.
Well, not for you of course. Haha.
"The state got what it wanted from this case with the clarification that states have the Sec3 authority re state offices."
...Pretty sure the state wanted Trump off the ballot. They weren't sitting around saying "I better try this to see if the SC will stop us!" Their goal was Trump's removal and they failed. Sorry.
The lawsuit was brought by six voters - four R and two Independent. For them to have the CO courts decide whether Trump would be on/off the ballot on 14A grounds. The CO courts never believed for one nanosecond that a 14A issue would be decided at the state level. Esp since they quite clearly presented both sides of the legal arguments at each court level - and had one win here and the other win there.
Everyone else - the elected officials and partisan hacks - that would include Trump - was just looking to see how they could get attention. Since the SC is the highest court in the land, they spun that out as long as possible and hence succeeded.
Poor, poor JFucked, shitting his pants over a Trump win.
JRetard, Who funded the lawsuits. Trump or democrats?
I can sort of see your point about primaries not being actual elections. However, the state primaries do help determine who is on the ballot in the general election, so state officials are then interfering in a national choice.
The 14th Amendment already rules out disqualifying a Presidential candidate in the general election for insurrection, since the Presidential candidate isn't actually on the ballot, his or her Electors are, and the Electors are named as people who can be disqualified, if they were insurrectionists.
Re the first - not sure how direct the connection is between primary selection and general. Seems more like a flapping butterfly causes hurricanes connection.
Re the second. I agree that it is the electors who get elected but in every state I've lived in it's the candidate who appears to be on the ballot
Re the first – not sure how direct the connection is between primary selection and general. Seems more like a flapping butterfly causes hurricanes connection.
So you admit to arguing from ignorance. Lol.
Look more closely next time. It lists "electors for X Candidate." The "electors for..." is in smaller print, but that is who you are actually voting for.
Well, it's much like the right to vote for President. NO one has a Constitutional right to vote for President, but once a state legislature has decided that a vote will be taken to allocate Electors--as opposed to, say, the Governor or Legislature appointing them--then all the voting rights guaranteed in the Constitution apply.
If state choose, for whatever reasons, to hold sanctions primary elections, then the Constitutional rules for elections and voting rights must apply.
I tend to agree that the primaries need not be state-run elections, and probably ought not to be. but they are, and so they have to be run by the rules.
How the fuck did your ignorant ass turn this into a sexism debate.
Probably too confusing to try racism in this case.
It's JFucked. What do you expect?
The woman justices ..
What is a woman?
ACB?
Judicial “minimalism” is a “principle” not a Constitutional mandate. Supreme Courts over generations have violated that “principle” many, many times, and are likely to violate it again many times in the future. It would not be the first time Justices have twisted the words of the Constitution and Federal laws and regulations into multiple interlocking pretzel shapes on the slimmest of pretexts in order to come to the conclusion they wanted to reach in the first place, often taking hundreds of pages and tens of thousands of words to do so. So, making light of their criticism here is no more than justified, I think.
Not pretzel logic needed, just read Section 5.
Problem is that any Sec5 law is bypassed with a Prez pardon.That was the specific context that created Sec3. Even if the Prez pardons an insurrectionist, it is only Congress (not the judiciary) that can judge their disability. If they can't do that with Sec 5 because of the possibility of pardon, then the authority is within Sec3
Unanimous
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No don't laugh like that. Laugh like this
BWAHAHA YOU LOST BWAHAHA BWAHAHA!!!!
I have been properly shamed.
I’m so deeply sorry for you, Jacob. I can’t imagine how hard this verdict must be for you. You’re not alone in this, Jeff, Shrike, SRG2, Mod, KAR and Sqrlsy are all here for you. Please don’t hesitate to reach out to them, as they morn down here.”
Please show where I supported removing Trump from ballots?
Lying Lamanite.
Change your name again?
Hey KAR.
I was out mormoning some mormons the other day and mormon, mormon-mormon mormon....
Hey KAR, are you LDS?
A. Why do you ask?
B. Do you think I am?
C. Great to hear from you!
“shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof.”
Are the three justices fucking retarded? How, exactly, do you show that someone engaged in such acts without a) precisely defining them (perhaps in a criminal statute) and b)proving with more than just hearsay that the person actually committed said acts?
I’m open to explanations of how this is achieved besides the opposition party and their media mouthpieces just asserting it.
How, exactly, do you show that someone engaged in such acts without a) precisely defining them (perhaps in a criminal statute) and b)proving with more than just hearsay that the person actually committed said acts?
Section 3 - as a Constitutional amendment - happened specifically because Pres Johnson was pardoning former Confederates en masse on an ad-hoc - and almost certainly partisan/spoils basis. That's his constitutional right. But it also precluded ALL judicial findings on the same issue - which means ALL potential Sec5 'remedies' re any finding of insurrection. Johnson had switched back from 'National Union' party - where he was elected with Lincoln in 1864 - to the Dem party. Which was planning on running the most racist political campaign ever for 1868 and he was the likely Dem nominee.
The concern - voiced often then - was that Johnson might be elected Prez in 1868 and then fill every postmaster job in the North with copperheads and every appointed job in the executive branch with former Confederates now-pardoned-by-Johnson who wanted to re fight the Civil War on every basis other than 'secession'. That every Union soldier would have died for no reason at all because the South would control the federal government again.
Ok, hank.
Watching that fat hog Jena Griswold whine about this decision was one of the highlights of my day yesterday.
Well, even if “insurrection” is not clearly defined by Congress in Federal law, “we know it when we see it.” The Civil War was clearly an insurrection any way you define it. But it’s not true! Here is the relevant Federal law: 18 U.S. Code § 2383 - Rebellion or insurrection - 1948
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2383
So, the way you can tell if Trump or any of the other rioters and co-conspirators were guilty of insurrection would be: have they been found guilty of a violation of the U.S. code with all appeals exhausted?
Question for Sullum. Since you’ve defended Jack Smiths use of deprivation of rights with Trumps appeal to the judicial branch in 2020 under the theory he was attempting to remove the rights of voters… and you’ve defended the conspiracy charges against Trump in Georgia…
Would you support felonies and charges for everyone who tried to remove trump from the state ballots? Given the unanimous ruling and all. Has far more of a backing than the charges you’ve been supporting.
For the people who sued to see if the courts would allow it - no.
For the state level bureaucrats who decided to make the choice for all of their voters unilaterally? Maybe.
The later were certainly attempting to interfere with an election in an illegal manner. Factually, far more than Trump is even accused of doing.
String 'em up!
This is absurd. As the Court made clear in the opinion, this was a question left unsettled by Congress. The reason is that the Reconstruction Amendments were previously held to be self-executing. (and there was a general amnesty after the civil war) This decision carves out one exception: sec 3 of the 14th amendment. Congress must pass legislation to enforce it. Which means, if Congress does nothing, an insurrectionist must remain on any state's ballot. While leaving the rest of the 14th amendment self-executing. There is zero basis to conclude the CO Sup Ct or anybody else did anything "illegal." Its a stupid take.
It was so unsettled nobody in 150 years tried removing a candidate over a riot.
Are you sure you’re an attorney?
The reason is that the Reconstruction Amendments were previously held to be self-executing.
Shown by the zero examples given to the court as compared to the 3 instances congress involved itself.
This decision carves out one exception: sec 3 of the 14th amendment.
In your law school did they teach you to ignore parts you dont like such as sec 5 of the 14th?
Which means, if Congress does nothing, an insurrectionist must remain on any state’s ballot.
Which trial declared them an insurrectionist?
While leaving the rest of the 14th amendment self-executing.
Ignores section 5 again.
Are you sure you're an attorney?
Well, the steaming pile of lefty shit got 'windy' right.
Didn't even bother with asking you why you think jack smith charged correctly as you'll rationalize that using any ignorant argument you can construct as well.
Whoosh!
There must be a community college near you where you could take a course in reading comprehension. You NEED it.
Seems we have a majority of SCOTUS which favors democracy, not Democrat.
Why is this so hard for some people..wait everything is hard for AOC...
Trump hasn't been found guilty of insurrection in court. You can't just say "I think he's an insurrectionist, let's take him off the ballot". Find him guilty first. Better yet, let the voters decide.
BTW Proggies/liberals/shrike - just remember you step out of line, they will come for you too.
The "conviction" question is really more of a red herring, because when the amendment was passed, there was a very clear status on whether these potential politicians had actually fought for the Confederacy, and thus had clearly engaged in an insurrectionist act, versus some random merchant who ran a dry goods store during the war and never enlisted.
Note that James Longstreet, who was a rare-ex-Confederate who had the favor of the GOP during the Gilded Age, never actually served in office after the war. He couldn't, because he was disallowed from doing so as an ex-Confederate soldier.
The "insurrection" claims on Trump are based mostly on specious dot-connecting, mind-reading, and dog-whistle-hearing, not clear-cut insurrectionary acts.
The “insurrection” claims on Trump are based mostly on specious dot-connecting, mind-reading, and dog-whistle-hearing, not clear-cut insurrectionary acts.
And yet a 5-day hearing in a Colorado district court found insurrection to be demonstrated, a eecision neither overturned by the Colorado Supreme Court nor disputed by the US Supreme Court =- not even in an aside, In fact - for the literal meaning of "in fact" - the majority opinion concludes with a summary of their sundry arguments in favour of Trump but does not address the insurrection question at all. If they had thought the evidence insufficient, do you not think a right-wing Court would have commented on this?
There was no adversarial process in regards to an insurrection shrike. The judge openly admitted she relied on the J6 Committees conclusions as her evidence.
How fucking ignorant are you?
Very. Very, very ignorant.
No actual argument provided.
So where did the Supreme Court opine on the finding that Trump was an insurrectionist?
Because it didn't need to retard.
Damn shrike. Please keep denying youre a leftist fascist. Lol.
Still not shrike, you lying POS. And a hearing doesn't have to be adversarial to be legitimate in a non-criminal case.
Simmer down Shrike.
Declaring someone an insurrectionist and depriving them of a constitutional right doesn't require an adversarial process?
Fucking fascist.
They really are.
Section1 of the 14th Amendment requires due process. It's amazing the Progs missed that, it's two sections before Section 3, in the same short Amendment.
Missed it? More like the progs just up and ignored it. For some reason, they seem allergic to due process.
Cool it, Shrike.
And yet a 5-day hearing in a Colorado district court found insurrection to be demonstrated, a decision neither overturned by the Colorado Supreme Court nor disputed by the US Supreme Court
As if I give a crap what a bunch of rabid-left Colorado Democrats and sour-grapes NeverTrumpers who brought the suit with the help of a left-wing legal group think is insurrection. Literally nothing these people state should be taken at face value.
the majority opinion concludes with a summary of their sundry arguments in favour of Trump but does not address the insurrection question at all.
And if it was relevant, you don't think they would have?
If they had thought the evidence insufficient, do you not think a right-wing Court would have commented on this?
A right-wing court doesn't need to prove a negative.
Did they even define what "insurrection" means?
No. Because their decision says State’s can't enforce sec 3 in the first instance and Congress hasn’t passed a law to implement it. So at present there is no enforcement at all. Sec 3 is a dead letter.
I mean the CO court. Seems like a lot of people throwing around the word "insurrection" hoping it will stick, without even bothering to state what they mean by it.
They mean "Trump".
Before the word "insurrection", there was the word "collusion".
They are good with hoping words stick.
Still doesn’t know there are other sections. Calls himself an attorney. Lol.
Wouldn't most attorneys read the decision they are commenting on?
18 U.S. Code § 2383 - Rebellion or insurrection
Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(L), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)
Oh, well if a 5day hearing determined such, we just totally take their word for it.
Massive fucking eyeroll.
I’ll put on a 30 day hearing that determines all Biden voters are insurrectionists and also guilty of treason. By democrat thinking that should stick.
The fact finding was plainly erroneous.
'...And yet a 5-day kangaroo court in a Colorado found insurrection to be demonstrated,...'
Fixed, slimy pile of TDS-addled shit.
Are you serious? How about if I’m a judge in another state I hold a five day hearing and conclude you’re guilty of capital murder and sentence you to death?
How about that Shrike?
The Supreme Court just read the Amendment for once. Congress is given the power to enforce it, in Section5. It doesn't matter if Colorado has a fancy court hearing or a civil trial or a bench ruling, they don't have the power to make the determination, so whatever decision they reached is set aside.
No, of course not. Why would they?
Yeah, this. It's enough of a stretch to claim that there was an insurrection at all, let alone that Trump had anything to do with one. The 14th amendment was made in response to the Civil War. Insurrection as used there is referring to a situation with no ambiguity whatsoever. It was people who took up arms against the US government with the explicit intention of overthrowing its control over certain states. They would have called themselves insurrectionists and been proud of it. I don't think it was ever intended to apply to anything other than an organized, armed rebellion like that.
Wrong. This came up in the debates. While obviously it was motivated for applying it to civil war participants (of the confederacy) it was clearly and obviously designed to apply to future insurrectionists as well.
Good thing no insurrection took place.
Of course, I didn't say it didn't apply to other insurrections. But when there is an insurrection, it is obvious. And clear who participates.
does it apply to alleged insurrectionists
The claim about Longstreet seems to be untrue. Longstreet was appointed surveyor of customs in New Orleans by Grant soon after he was inaugurated as President in 1869.
A political appointment to a bureaucratic office isn’t the same as an elected federal office.
Except that bureaucratic appointments do seem to be part of what is covered by the relevant 14th Amendment provisions.
When they first started all braying "Insurrection!" back right after January 6, I thought it was dumb and I was really kind of confused as to why they would (mis)use that word to describe a dumb riot that was hardly worse than any of the other usual Code Pink or shrieking little girls nonsense that we usually see in the capital.
Then I happened to remember the specific language of the 14th Amendment and suddenly it all made sense. The use of the word was planned and it was encouraged for a reason.
I'm sure no one who came up with the scheme thought it would seriously hold up but the positive side of it is that they've saturated the media for 3 years and by now there are lots of people who just refer to "the insurrection" without a second thought at all.
It was deviously malicious and cynical.
this whole narrative was contrived years in advance by the transition integrity project
So "this time we've got him" fails again....
I’m sure no one who came up with the scheme thought it would seriously hold up but the positive side of it is that they’ve saturated the media for 3 years and by now there are lots of people who just refer to “the insurrection” without a second thought at all.
I would say that Marc Elias is probably behind most of these schemes. He's an evil little shit.
i can hear the liberal wails from here
Isn’t it beautiful? I’m looking forward to slaking my thirst on their delicious tears.
Well a lot of liberals are commenting here.
Trump is a mixed bag for sure, but if he beats Biden this time I will enjoy the lefturd tears as much as the next guy. Personally, I'll continue to write in Ron Paul until and unless Rand gets nominated.
-jcr
Nice try.
But the court actually ruled that a state can’t take anyone (not just Trump) off a national ballot for any reason because, you know, congress and all that jazz.
Supreme Court Unanimously Rules That States May Not Disqualify Trump As an Insurrectionist
Not to mention that there is no definition of insurrectionist that covers any actions ever taken by Trump.
He tweeted things that some sissies who can't handle the truth found somewhat disagreeable in some circumstances.
What more do you want?
Most of their complaints seem to boil down to mind-reading that he wanted them to invade the Capitol, him not tweeting to stop rioting after people began going into the building, and telling Pence to try to take advantage of a procedural rule to stay the certification that Pence refused to cooperate on (mainly because it was effectively pointless to do so and would have just delayed the inevitable anyway).
And after the Summer of Floyd, I have a hard time sympathizing with anyone whining about the Capitol when most of the people complaining about it were in full-throated support of the violence and mayhem that happened for months on end prior to that--and as the Time Magazine article admitted, these same people were put on standby to riot themselves if Trump had won the election, and were specifically told to stand down during the MAGA rally because their handlers understood the optics of trying to start a fight that day.
It is completely stupid that this was even attempted. Why would any state or federal government have any authority to interfere with the nominating procedure for any political party?
To me if a nominee won the election, but was deemed not eligible to hold the office that they would not be sworn in. Of course there would need to be a due process where the person was legally found ineligible.
If there was a disney party and they nominated mickey mouse and mickey mouse received more voted that the two geriatric candidates, obviously mickey is not eligible, so mickey mouse would not become president.
There would need to be a special election to vote again. Biden would cease to be president on January 20th, there would not be a vice president, so the speaker of the house, Mike Johnson would become the interim president and the president pro tempore of the senate, Patty Murray would be the interim vice president.
Why are the states even involved in the primary/caucus? The two major parties have rigged to elections to keep 3rd parties small. The two major parties keeps presenting nominees who are terrible a at best. They are presenting a jerk and an elder abused sock-puppet, and frankly there has to be better choices than these two.
As much as I despise trump, he is less dangerous for personal liberties and freedoms than biden (his controllers) is. At least trump would be questions at every turn, instead of the sycophantic press who protects the senile old warmonger and his crime family.
Even so, I refuse to cast a vote for either of the two buffoons. I will vote for someone who does not have even a remote chance of being elected, but at least is not a narcissistic jerk or one who is rapidly becoming bumbling vegetable.
"...To me if a nominee won the election, but was deemed not eligible to hold the office that they would not be sworn in. Of course there would need to be a due process where the person was legally found ineligible...
Not according to the (D) CO supremes.
I'd argue we've had a lot of narccisistic jerks elected before and the nation survived. Most of them simply had the skill of not speaking their mind and instead speaking what they think you wanted to hear.
I’m old enough to remember Johnson picking up his dog by the ears. Talk about a jerk.
https://www.history.com/speeches/lyndon-johnson-lifts-dog-by-ears
Johnson did far worse than that. The welfare state has been devastating to poor families.
-jcr
Almost as if it was planned that way.
I'd argue that it's nearly impossible to become president if you aren't a narcissistic jerk and that every president of my lifetime, possibly excepting Carter, has been one. Who else would be willing to put up with all the shit you have to deal with to run for president and then hold the office?
Never really saw Reagan as a narcissist.
He was an actor. Don't they automatically qualify?
Nah. I mean, definitely a lot of them. But I never saw Reagan acting particularly megalomaniacal or self absorbed. At least not as president. Admittedly, I was too young to be really cognitive of his personality when he was governor of California.
I wouldn't call Carter or Ford narcissistic jerks. Carter was hopelessly incompetent of course, and he supports conscription, so fuck him.
As for Ford, I'm on the fence about pardoning tricky Dick. Clearly the pardon didn't do Ford any favors, so I can't fault his motives.
-jcr
There are so many layers of ridiculousness here, it's hard to know where to start. A primary isn't even an election for president. The 14th definitely doesn't address who can be a party's nominee for president.
They were trying to get him off the ballot entirely--as in, write-in votes for him wouldn't even be allowed even if he was taken out of the primary as an option.
That's where the whole thing went off the rails, to be honest.
And this. The same arguments to remove him for the primary would apply to the general. So there is no reason to kick the can down to the general.
The requirements for Trump to gather the required signatures post the date he was kicked off are pretty onerous. That is the other way to get on ballot. It is one of the reasons they delayed for months after he announced.
https://ballotpedia.org/Ballot_access_requirements_for_political_candidates_in_Colorado
Narcissistic jerk? Bumbling vegetable?
I smell a sitcom.
A rich stock trader whose husband has an affair with a homeless artist?
“No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.”
But does this apply to the President (or Vice-President) in the first place? This lists members of Congress and even electors, but makes no mention of President. If the authors of the Constitution were concerned about the development of a tyranny, I would expect them to allow for the election of an “insurrectionist”. Of course, the government would want to prevent that “insurrectionist” from even having a chance of getting elected anyway. Like getting him/her kicked off the ballot. To be fair, this would at least be a less drastic method than throwing him/her out a 6th-story window.
That's another very good question that no one seems to be asking. Does it even apply to the president? I would say no. They explicitly call out electors and congress, why wouldn't they also specify president if it was intended to apply to the president. They seem to have made a choice not to constrain the electoral college on who they can choose as president.
What exactly does "civil" office mean? and does the president and congress count as civil offices? Again I would say no. Otherwise, why specify any elected offices by name? They also mentioned "executive or judicial officers" which suggests that those are distinct from civil or military offices. And president would fall into the executive officer category.
Section 5 Enforcement
The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.
It doesn't really matter if Trump did or did not engage in insurrection. Congress needs to define it, which they have in 18 U.S. Code § 2383, and then it is up to the federal legal system to make the due process determinations, and then, if guilty and not pardoned by the President and Congress not having overruled the pardon by two-thirds majority...then a person is not elligible.
Not when a state court says so. State courts have nothing to do with the application of the 14th amendment matters for federal elections. Which is what SCOTUS rationally determined.
Justice Sotomayor (the only member of the current court whom I have actually met) misses the point the difference between removal of the infirmity by vote and the creation of a new law.
The only way for Congress acting alone to remove an infirmity is by a two-thirds majority vote in both houses. If a simple majority in both houses wants to lift an infirmity, both houses would need to pass a bill that would then have to be signed by a president. That is a big difference.
barring a cheat-fest by the dems this election will be a fine repudiation of all things woke and fringe progressive. you heard it here first...IF BIDEN LOSES HE WILL SALT THE EARTH AND LEAVE DC IN FLAMES WITH THE ACTS AFTER NOV 6
Not seeing the downside of DC in flames,
I would consider it a silver lining. Specially if we surround DC with troops and not allow democrats out.
Nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
"This case 'raises the question whether the States, in addition to Congress, may also enforce Section 3,' the Court says. 'We conclude that States may disqualify persons holding or attempting to hold state office. ... etc. {But States have no power under the Constitution to enforce Section 3 with respect to federal offices, especially the Presidency.'}"
Nonono.
You "enforce" a law when someone were a suspect for having violated it.
That means that you have the info of violation i,.e., evidence suspect of violation, by your own means and can produce the evidence when called upon such as let someone exhibit that evidence.
It doesn't matter who participates in enforcing a law so long as the evidence were sound. So why not a state government ... or why not John P. Smith, for that matter?
Enforcing a law, that is not a matter of deciding whether or not to recognize guilt or innocense as a matter of this paper processing, such as whether or not to list a candidate on the ballot.
Is the man guilty at this time of a crime that would disqualify him from being listed on this ballot ... because, I have the job of listing qualified candidates on a certain ballot, and everyone I talk to contends his guilt for a certain reason. Or doesn't -- but I have to answer this question because everyone someone else talks to contends his guilt.
The legal matter of guilt is not a decision that extends solely from apparent popularity but rather a matter of what proceedings of law can be rationally concluded to be viable -- the specific concept being "verdict," such as, "Has a verdict been rendered by an appropriate court of law as to whether Donald J. TRUMP was guilty or innocent of insurrection as described in Section 3 of Amendment #14 ?"
Case closed!!
Of course, if you qualify to be the complaintant, then you can decide at this point whether it rains or pours.
the Court avoids delving into the issue of how to characterize the Capitol riot or Trump's role in it.
Which they shouldn't be doing in the first place.
I think this is one of those fatally flawed Supreme Court decisions like Dred Scott that will haunt us for decades to come. Though to be honest, it relied heavily on the “U.S. Term Limits” precedent which itself makes no legal sense, just a means to an end. So the SCOTUS has now dug itself deeper than it can breathe rather than protect the rule of law.
Most shocking to me is the mention of “powers delegated to states.” The federal government has no power, 0%, under the Constitution to delegate its power to anyone! The SCOTUS just got it totally backwards, as the federal government itself gets its power from constitutionally delegated state powers. This is implicit in the fact that the Constitution is a compact between the states, they are the sovereign principals. However, the 10th Amendment also spells this out for those who would think otherwise. The principle behind the Colorado Supreme Court’s decision was that since Congress had failed to act on a federal responsibility, there is no federal supremacy, and the states may exercise that responsibility instead.
We’ll have to wait and see the fallout from this decision. Guaranteed this is going to bite SCOTUS where it hurts. The Section 1 of the 14th Amendment is now on the chopping block. Perhaps the states can no longer prohibit abortion under state laws, for example, it has to come from Congress instead. (such laws are an enforcement of Section 1’s prohibition on depriving someone of life without due process of law, after all)
We now have a Constitutional provision that is totally inoperative without an act of Congress. Which almost means: Who needs a constitution? Very dangerous, it could be the beginning of the end for the Constitution if legal mandates such as this one can so easily be set aside …
I think this is one of those fatally flawed Supreme Court decisions like Dred Scott that will haunt us for decades to come.
No, ruling in your side's favor is what would have haunted us for decades. If you don't think red states would have an open door to do the same thing to Democrats, you're a moron.
Stop practicing short-sighted, TDS-afflicted thinking.
See, no. Once duly passed, and Amendment IS the Constitution. So 14th Sect 5 expressly empowered Congress (and only Congress) with the authority. Just as if that authority had originally been included in Article 1 Section 8's list of enumerated powers. The 9th and 10th therefore do not apply, since 14 Sec. 5 authority is an enumerated power.
You should work the titles with a bit more zeal. The decision in fact stands that in no circumstances may remove a candidate for Federal Office from a ballot, and around this expand why Section 3 doesn't apply,, as they don't discuss at all the insurrection aspect.
Anyway, I find interesting, usually it's the Republicans who argue for the Sovereignty of the States in Constitutional disputes. Democrats usually have positive bias for Big Central government. The GOP scored a win on abortion which raised the perception of authorities of Sates which had been much diminished since the Civil war. Now that Democrats argue for State Sovereignty, but they chose the wrong argument.
Puzzling is that, while I agree on this very limited, most powerful scope of the Court's opinion, the Court underlines that in Voting for the President and for Federal Offices, Voters are one People in a United States. On this point some argue that the authority of the Sovereignty of The People over the Federal government is rather through the Sovereignty of the States as States signed the Constitution.
Its complementary to member that Section 3 of Article 1 of the Constitution describes the appointment of Senators by the Congress of each States. A very little discussed fact, but interesting when discussing the Framers intent when measuring States's Sovereignty. The XVII Amendment (1913, which is also the year the Federal Reserve was created) modified this for reasons of "hygiene" apparently. The appointed Senators appeared to have become so corrupt that the only apparent remedy was to shift to direct democracy and have them elected by the People thereof... This is when American Imperialism settled in...
This sure did not solve the corruption problem, but sure made Senators not accountable to the Congress of their respective States. In this fashion, it's clear that a big piece of the pie of State's Sovereignty was thrown out the window. We know very well that Federal Senators are now more "their own people" and are now very little accountable to all their electors but only to a select few with big vested interests and other lobbyists not even associated with their State.
Further, in the context of appointed Senators the argument the Sovereignty of the People over the Central government goes through the Sates Government was, is stronger...
Could Donald Trump campaign to nullify the XVII Amendment? Go back to small government...?
so you concur and to make sure your lib creds are intact you make the meaningless statement : "insulate all alleged insurrectionists from future challenges" Look, That just insults tens of millions of Americans who don't have the existing insulation from life that some of these judges have.
Not Trump nor anyone else has been charged with insurrection much less convicted. Why the dissent? It's a made up accusation of democrats.